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(00:00):
Hello and welcome to like to uncourt the show.
We break down your favorite madefor TV movies.
I'm Patrick Serrano, your host. And today joining me is.
Kathleen Butler to places. And we have a very special guest
today. We're doing an interview, which
we don't normally do, except when Kathleen is here.
Apparently. We have Michael Dvorkon from

(00:23):
Lifetime. Writer, actor, producer, all the
things. Hey, Michael.
Hey, Patrick. You're here for another round.
You did interview with us a longtime ago when Drew was on the
podcast. I forget what movie that was
for, but you were like the star.You were the star and you were a
bad guy, right? Right, right.
Did you just guess that? No.

(00:43):
Yeah, no, It was her deadly groom and I was the deadly
groom. There you go.
There you go. But now you are a writer, You
are in the movie also, right? I.
Appear in the movie? Yes, in the opening scene.
Would you say your character is a bad guy?
No. Yeah, I didn't get bad guy
vibes, but you never know in lifetime and he's.

(01:04):
Just yeah, it's strictly business and breakup scene.
You know, I wanted to play him. I could have played him as kind
of a jerk as a bad guy. Like particularly specifically,
I wanted to play him, you know, as as good a guy as I could
under the circumstances of she'sbreaking up with the.

(01:25):
Girl, right before we get into all that, I mean, we didn't even
say what what the movie is. It's coming up this Thursday at
eight, 8:00 on Life. Is it Lifetime Movie Network?
Lifetime Movie Network. And it is called.
Go ahead. It's called her fatal flame.
Fatal Fling. Yes.
We love alliteration, so we lovethat title.

(01:47):
That's right. You know, flings are great.
Everyone should do it once, I think.
Yeah. Just hope it doesn't turn out
like your characters. Right.
Yeah. We don't want it to be fatal,
but we'll take the fling, We'll take the.
Fling. Yeah, absolutely.
So Michael, tell us a little bitabout how you went from I, I
know you've done a little bit ofeverything in the business, but

(02:10):
how did this opportunity come around?
And was it like specifically fora lifetime or were you like
shopping it around? So I primarily worked as an
actor in the entertainment business and I started writing
probably like seven years ago. This particular project, this
particular screenplay came to life after I had acted in

(02:32):
another thriller, Not Her DeadlyGirl.
It was another one. And and and then this thriller,
the boyfriend was stalking the ex-girlfriend and all this
drama. And when I finished the the
movie, I thought, what if I reverse the roles?
You know, I'm probably not the first one to do it, but that's
what the idea was. This is what if I reverse the

(02:54):
roles and the, and the woman is doing the stocking.
And then I thought about it a little more and I was just like,
OK, I'm going with like a, a female lead who's the villain?
That's what I'm, that's what I want to do.
And so that was the idea I had. And I work on these, on these
lifetime thrillers. I have a Co writer that I work

(03:14):
with. And so we started with that idea
and this started, you know, writing, writing the script.
I all along had imagined that itwould be, it would land at
Lifetime. That was where I envisioned it.
But there was no deal in place with Lifetime.
We knew that they were going to be the first to take a look at
it. But I definitely, when I was

(03:38):
writing it, was writing with that in mind.
We love that kind of having likethe the girlfriend be the
stalker on a lifetime network. It is an interesting twist,
right? Kathleen, have you have you seen
anything like that? Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I mean,
even the last, the last time I was here and we interviewed Joy,

(03:59):
who was the villain. But there was still a female
protagonist like she was there was still a good character who
was a woman. So it's it's usually the woman
is also the victim. So it was it was definitely
interesting to have a male victim at several in this one.
What drew you to this like lifetime genre?

(04:20):
Even if it wasn't specifically for a lifetime, but it is
definitely this lifetime genre of thriller.
That's strictly a business decision.
Great, you know, like doing her deadly groom and then doing
another lifetime movie called the daughters to see and and
like learning about lifetime andthe thriller John Rose and

(04:41):
there's a built in audience and stuff like that.
You know, in a business where it's it's so difficult to make a
movie and it's so difficult to sell a movie, there was a, you
know, strategic choice to go. I want to write a lifetime
thriller. I think I have the chance to do
something with that. And you?
You did it. Truly love that.
Yeah, yeah, you. Got lucky.

(05:02):
I mean, it was. Like you got lucky, but also you
created a product that was perfect for an audience that
exists and a network that existsand that's smart.
Like I love, I love thinking of your audience before you start
writing. It's smart.
Just plain smart. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah.
It's good business. It's good business.
You got to know the, you got to know the market, right?

(05:24):
You got to know what you're doing.
Business is half of the word show business and it's really
business show in my opinion. So true.
So when you were approaching writing this, you you mentioned
you have a writing partner. How did you connect with them
and what was that relationship like?
Like working with a partner rather than just like writing on
your own, like The Shining, likehunkering down.

(05:48):
I would imagine a having a partner is more like you know.
But we work really well together.
We complement each other. She's we have very different
styles and she's kind of more free and kind of, and I'm very
meticulous and like every dot, every letter, every word,

(06:09):
everything counts. And so we kind of together so
far, we make a, we make a good team.
So I like working with somebody because it's like when I don't
have the idea, like they have the idea and when they don't
have the idea, I have the idea. It seems, you know, it doesn't
always happen like that, but enough times where I'm like, you

(06:32):
know, like I was stuck there andshe had this great idea and that
was fantastic. Or, you know, or I had the idea.
So I think it helps keep the theball rolling.
And yeah, I do think it's fun writing with someone.
You know, I do spend quite a bitof time on the script alone as

(06:53):
as as well. But yeah, I mean, Co creating
is, I think a lot of fun. I've always liked getting
together and like throwing around ideas and like seeing
where it leads. You.
Yeah, I saw too. Because I'm a very experienced
journalist. I definitely took a quick glance

(07:13):
at your IDB. I'm a thorough researcher over
here, and it says your dad is a composer and then, which is so
cool, And then the person who did the music on this film
shares the last name with you. But it didn't.
Was it your dad who did this music?
Is this a family business sort of project?

(07:34):
What's going on there? I'm so glad you mentioned that,
but it's not a family business project.
My little brother, my baby brother, who is 17 years younger
than me, did the music. It was his first score.
It's great. It was his first score.
We all really love what he did with it, but it it was not

(07:55):
planned. We shot the movie and I thought
I would love to give him a shot to do this.
So I had the editor cut a coupleof scenes and I sent the, sent
my brother 2 scenes and I said, do do a score for these two
scenes and let's see what you can do.
And we loved, we loved what he did.
So we said, all right, you're, you're hired.

(08:16):
So it was, it was cool. I mean, it was great to be able
to give him a gig and get him started in, in composing.
And then it was even better for,for him to come through, you
know, and I thought he did some great, great work.
Yeah, he did a great job. I thought, that's so cool.
I definitely noticed the music multiple times and been like,

(08:37):
oh, this is like a jam, like I'minto this.
So you should release the soundtrack.
You definitely should release the soundtrack.
And it was different. It was different from like a
normal Lifetime movie. The Lifetime movies are kind of
like, you know, they can get repetitive.
So this was like a good, it got some good groups.
Oh, good. Thanks.
I'm going to definitely pass that along to him.
But yeah, I think we did. We did think it was very
original and I thought there wassome nice grooves too.

(09:01):
I was like this is. Yeah, it's like music you could
like study to, you know, that kind of like, you know, yeah,
it's not going to take over yourbrain, but you're like, what is
this? Speaking of the movie itself,
you know, we obviously all have seen the movie and the cast is
incredible. Did you have any say in the cast

(09:24):
or how did that process work? That was more like a because
you're the producer too, right? Yeah, no.
Definitely. I mean, the director, Jared Kahn
and myself did all, all of that.I mean, yeah, I was heavily
involved in the casting. I mean, I was going going
through tapes. We discussed every, yeah, every
character we had lists and and favorites.

(09:48):
And so yeah, I'm definitely, I get heavily involved in the in
the casting and I watch the tapes over and over again and
like I go super obsessive because I, you know, I want it
to be the best that it can be. We didn't know for sure, but we
had discussed, OK, we know we want Eric Roberts for the

(10:09):
therapist, so we did do a bunch of tapes for that role.
But for everything else, we had hundreds of submissions.
And we got this girl, Catherine.She's a she's, she's a newcomer,
you know, she's new. And we took a shot on her.
She handled herself well. Yeah, she did a great job.

(10:32):
And also like, she was very talented.
And also in addition, I liked looking at her face so much.
She's so pretty and like the waythe light hits her face, it's
just interesting. And she's so beautiful to look
at, but also is an incredibly talented actress.
So good for her. She really did it.
Yeah, she's, she's definitely a good find.

(10:52):
I also really liked her a lot, even though, you know, she is
the, the titular fatal, you know, fling.
She was like, there was something about her that you
were like drawn to. And you're like, Oh, yeah, I, I
love this girl, you know, even though she's like.
I thought her poisoned me. Yeah.
But not in a life she wasn't like in a lifetime, like

(11:13):
unhinged way like over like overthe top camp.
It was like more subtle. It was a little subtler.
So, yeah, I liked her. And Eric Roberts want to get.
He's so hot right now. Yeah.
What a freaking I mean Dancing with the Stars.
Yeah, his memoirs out right now and now this.
Like, come on. But you're hitting at the
perfect time. I know you're right.
Dance to the Stars and his book.I'm listening to the book right

(11:35):
now on audio but I and I thoughthe was really good in this role.
As as always, we expected from Eric Roberts.
But are you like personal friends with him?
Like how did you get him? Well, Jared works with him a lot
and I've done a couple of moviesmovies with him, but I that's
more a Jared relationship. If he's in a Lifetime movie, you
know it's going to, it's going to be like interesting because

(11:57):
he does a lot of them with like Miss Vivica A Fox and like all
those type of things. The doctor ones, the killer
doctor ones. I mean, yeah, he's been around
and he's usually a good time. I also just love a man who's not
going to say no to a job like that man, because him and Keke
Palmer and Vivica Fox, they're going to say yes to a job.

(12:19):
They're always working. And I love that.
I love that. Miss Vivica with those car
insurance commercials, I'm like,Auntie, what are you doing?
And you too, I mean, you seem tobe from from your IMDb, you just
seem to have been working at this business for so long in
such a variety of ways. But it seems like you've done

(12:39):
just a little bit of everything.What drew you to now writing?
And like, how did you? Are you interested in all
things? Is it just like I like to have
my hand in a little bit of everything, or is it what's what
turned you from actor to writer,producer to casting person to
all these things, all the hats that you're wearing?

(13:00):
Now, you know, like I said, I started writing some years ago
and I really, I took to it and Iliked it and I felt that there
was something there. You know, my dad was a composer
and a lyricist, so maybe I get some of the working with words
from him. I don't know, but I just thought
it it was a fit and, and, and I really enjoyed it.

(13:22):
Unlike most actors, I didn't, you know, I don't write these
screenplays for for myself to act in them.
That being said, I always hope that there's a role that I can
do just to, to do something because, you know, I, I want to
do, I want to do something, but I, I don't write them for, for
myself. What I've learned as long as

(13:45):
I've been in the business and I started in production for
television back in the 90s on the show Melrose Place, is that
I like being behind the camera. You know, I like watching the
scenes unfold and being able to have a, a, a, a voice and you
know, what's what's going on andseeing the the words come alive

(14:09):
that I've written in making these last two movies.
So we made her fatal fling and then we just wrapped another
thriller that's being edited right now, which I wrote and I
produced as well. And and it just became clear to
me that I prefer to be behind the camera.
I like to watch and I have, I think my instincts are used in

(14:30):
the best way when I'm behind thecamera, you know, working with
the director. So yeah, there's like the the
last movie I could have played the husband, you know, very
well, but I was like, but I can't watch myself act in the
whole movie, you know, like I I can't like I don't have that
luxury. And I never know if I'm going to

(14:51):
be in the movie in her fatal flang.
When I when I wrote that openingscene, I had an idea that I was
like, oh, shit, I'm going to play this this role in this
opening scene. No, that's great.
But in the second movie I was writing it and writing it and
I'm like, I don't God, I don't think I'm going to be in this
one, you know. And then in the third act, the

(15:12):
character was born and I thought, here we go, you know,
so I never know what's going to happen.
But I did like I played the detective and the second one
that we wrapped, but staying focused on her fatal flame.
I was perfectly happy making an appearance, doing that opening
scene and then going back behindthe the monitor to to watch.
It's a perfect way to sort of set the tone to have like a a

(15:35):
perfect little cameo. So you've now conquered the
Lifetime thriller. Do you have any plans to conquer
the Lifetime holiday? Not not as of now.
I do have a wonderful ROM com movie that could be turned into
a Christmas movie. That's a lovely script and we're

(15:57):
talking about possibly pitching that.
But right now I just finished the third screenplay thriller
and I'm mapping out an outline for the 4th 1.
So I'm staying pretty focused onthat.
But I would love to get this do one of those Christmas ROM coms.
I think they're they're great. And I mean I love the script

(16:20):
that I have. Get your little brother to get
the the Jingle Bells. Down you're all set that would
be amazing well I love that you have like so many fires going at
once you know that's like so so Gemini of you but yeah so.
You a Gemini? I'm a Gemini, Yeah.

(16:41):
OK, OK. Of course, Of course.
Aren't we all? No, I'm a Leo.
Me and me and Jennifer Lopez have the same.
Birthday. There you go.
And the same body, so you know. Hey, you've got to work with
what you got kind of work. With the Geminis were good with
works because both Bock and Biggie were were Geminis.
Wow, I. Think I developed a theory with

(17:03):
another friend of mine that was into astrology.
Yes, I love astrology and when Iwas in Lai went to like a
crystal shop and I was like, I can't become one of these
crystal people because I could see it happening so fast that I
was like, what does this one do?What does this one do?
Oh, boy. Yeah.
Slippery slope. Slippery slope.

(17:24):
I did have a question, one more question about the cast.
I really loved in this movie. All the supporting actors were
so fun and interesting. Like there was number character
you mentioned, like kind of like, you know, writing smaller
parts. There was no like small parts in
this movie. They all like had a purpose.
And the actors, like really madethe most of that.

(17:45):
Like the guy who played Ted and the guy who played Caleb, Like,
I really loved him. They were just so fun.
Like, did you have like them in mind or kind of just found them
through casting? Yeah, they just submitted for
the project. They were just rare finds.
I mean, the neighbor was actually the first guy we cast
because when I saw his tape, I was like, this guy's classic.

(18:10):
I'm like, and I showed, I showedit, I said you got to watch and
I had it. And we like unanimously just
loved him for the neighbor. And so like, he was pretty much
the first one. We were like, OK, we've got to
have him as the neighbor. See that he's out like walking
the dog and like, he's very like, typically a neighbor in a
Lifetime movie would be like a suspicious neighbor, you know,

(18:32):
where they're like, what's goingon.
But he was like super chill, youknow, like, Oh yeah, I just live
in the coach house. Whatever.
Right, right. Exactly.
And now that I'm thinking about it, I think, yeah, you're right.
Usually the neighbor is a littlemore suspicious or you know what
I mean. He he was nosy, right?
But but his his vibe was super chill.
Yeah, I liked it. So he wasn't.

(18:53):
Like the irritating neighbor he was like, he was just kind of
like he, he had a real likable quality to him.
I, I thought there I, I couldn'tremember exactly what it was
when I saw his tape, but I was just like, I, I thought he was
just funny, kind of yeah, the way he was.
Yeah, it's nice to have like, like little like comedy beats
and like a Lifetime movie and like the the best friend, the

(19:16):
Caleb character was like so perfect.
Like, yeah, coming in every scene.
I'm like, OK, what's going to happen with him?
What advice is he going to give?I just loved him so much.
Another one, I thought, yeah, hewas like, I was just like, I I
love his vibe. Like I think he's perfect for
the roommate. You felt safe when he was on
screen. He was constantly giving.

(19:36):
Yes, like good advice. Yeah, yeah.
Oh boy. Yeah, he's a good guy.
I talked to him a lot about his role, about his character.
He's also, you know, an experienced actor.
I love that you were on set because that seems like not
typically the case from other writers I've talked to.
Like, you know, so you really got to like kind of guide the

(19:58):
process, guide your vision. Do you have like an incorporated
production company or is this just like a one off production
that you were? Yeah, I haven't incorporated yet
and done that, so. I think, I think you're get,
you're getting there, right. It's going to happen.
Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean if you have 4 films like

(20:18):
in the works, you know, and we and we've added a Christmas to
the docket, you know. Yeah, we've added some work.
To your SO to your list, you know, I think it might be, it
might be kind like we got to come up with the production
company name. And well, I'm I'm already listed
on the as DBZ films. I'm excited.
I'm like, if this is a preview of what's to come, I'm like,

(20:41):
really excited and I can't wait to see more.
Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm glad you, I'm
glad you enjoyed the movie. I, I think it's a I'm, I'm
looking forward to it premieringand, and, and hoping that it's
received well. Just going back real quickly to
your father being a songwriter and now little brother is sort
of following in those footsteps,so you're all in this

(21:04):
entertainment business. How has that did that shape you
differently growing up, having, knowing, having someone in the
business, watching someone sort of create their own path, did
that inspire you in any way to chart your own creative path?
I don't think so. But you know, growing up, you
know, it's like however you growup, you know, that's the norm.

(21:26):
So the norm for me was dad was always doing a score for a
movie, you know, or TV show. And he would be in his at home
studio recording and making music.
And then at some, at a certain point he would, he would play
stuff for us, for the family. We'd all come in and he'd he'd

(21:48):
play stuff for us. I grew up around the business,
around the entertainment business and people, you know,
coming and going and stuff like that.
But you know, I was just a kid and that was my regular life,
but I never had any it it for me, it was watching certain

(22:09):
movies as a as a child where I had that first idea which, which
was I want to be an actor. Like there were two actors,
Peter Sellers and Jackie Gleason, Peter Sellers from the
Pink Panther and Jackie Gleason from Smokey and the Bandit.
And when I saw them do what theydid, I thought, I want to do

(22:31):
what they do. You know, I didn't kind of see
myself following up for my dad'sfootsteps and doing music or, or
I, I didn't even have any plan, like to be in the entertainment
business or do what he did. It was, it was I was just
fascinated with those charactersand, and I just, I just had that

(22:55):
thought or just like, I, I want to do that.
OK, I have the non sequitur question now.
So last time we did an interview, besides talking about
aliens with Drew, we you mentioned that, you know, Oprah
or you know, have some affiliation with Oprah.
How's Oprah doing? Have you talked to Oprah lately

(23:16):
and has she asked about me? I'm, I'm, I'm amazed that you
know that. I don't quite know how you know
that, but yeah, indeed it is true.
The Big O is a very good family friend and I, I have not spoken
to her in a while. I've kind of been not.

(23:36):
Busy. Yeah, we we could tell.
You know, have my, her my beckoncall to, you know, but I have
definitely stayed in touch with her over the years and we've had
many lengthy conversations and mainly about spirituality and
stuff like that. And but she, she's been showing

(23:57):
up at the house. I've just been missing her.
She shows up at the house, you know, she likes to come
unannounced and just ring the doorbell and in Santa Barbara
and. Love that.
So Oprah is is your nosy neighbor.
Mama, she'll be like, where's Michael?
And I'm like, you know, but I'm not there.

(24:17):
Have you gotten to sit under theher big oak trees?
Probably I don't remember. I mean we did a through one of
her books. It I think it took place out
surrounded by the oak trees. She read one of my scripts.
The first script I ever wrote isabout my life a little bit.

(24:37):
She read that script which was. So cool.
That's so cool. So cool.
I got to go to an Oprah Winfrey taping in college.
Brag. Except we're we were so excited.
It was like towards the end of the Oprah Winfrey Show and we
had to get there at like 6:00 AMto watch a documentary about
Ted. Ted Haggard, the pastor that got

(24:59):
caught giving crystal meth to prostitute, the anti-gay pastor
who got caught with male prostitutes doing crystal meth
and Nancy Pelosi's daughter actually did was made the
documentary. And so it's like, we're getting
up early to do homework for Oprah, but we're like.
Anything for Oprah. Anything.
But like, you know, we're all excited about the you get a car,

(25:21):
you get a car, you get a car andwe just got a hypocritical Co
pastor and early morning documentary viewing.
But 10 out of 10 would do it again.
Absolutely. I'm just really happy we got the
fact that we know that Oprah will just ring a doorbell is.
It's amazing. A lot for my spirit.

(25:41):
Wonderful. Then now it is time for the
Plugy time where we talk about things that are upcoming for us.
We'll start with Kathleen. Kathleen, any upcoming things
you'd like to plug for the holiday season?
I do have a musical. I don't know, I'm I don't know
if it's up anywhere this year. It ran the last couple years.
Eleanor's very Merry Christmas wish.

(26:03):
If you have a regional theater and you want to put it up,
eleanorswish.com. I think I don't know, I should
check that again. But you can also find it through
my Instagram at Kathleen Sing Stuff, which would get you to my
website, kathleenbutlerdoplaces.com,
where I think you can inquire about rights for that.

(26:24):
Otherwise, you'll find me at different piano bars all around
the Northeast. Weddings and that sort of thing
too, of course. Always, always got that hustle
going. I know that's where I'm like,
hey, you could find me. Actually, I rarely play shows
for just people to come to because it's always weddings and
corporate events because that's how I pin my.
Rent. There you go, Michael.

(26:47):
Do you have anything you'd like to plug in the pluggy time of
the show? No, I just want to remind
everybody that the movie premieres Thursday.
It's October 10th. It's eight o'clock 7:00 Central
Time. There you go.
That's that's why, that's why you're here.
So you did it. You plugged it in the pluggy
time. Perfect for me.

(27:09):
You can. We're getting ready for
Christmas movie season, so I'm going to be watching all of
those and writing about them on my blog, Lifetime on court.com.
And we'll do episodes with the Death of Homework Guys about
Lifetime movies. Lifetime hasn't announced their
season as of today, so we'll seewhat's coming up.

(27:30):
I think Ashanti's in one maybe or no Jennifer.
Jennifer, what's her name? Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Jennifer Love Hewitson. Love her.
So that's exciting. But for now, I think that's it.
OK, we'll talk to you next time.Bye.
Bye.
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