August 14, 2024 • 43 mins
Bran, Dan, Patrick, and Producer Erin break down the latest buzzy Lifetime Movie! Will we Pour it up or Put a Cork in it?
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(00:00):
Hi, I'm Brandon. I love Lifetime movies.
Hi, I'm Patrick Serrano and I'm a Lifetime movie expert.
Hi I'm Dan and I despise the Lifetime movies and this is the.
(00:31):
Wow, wow, wow. Hello everybody.
Oh. Boy, it's great to be here
today. Patrick, you're back.
Oh my gosh, it's been too long. It's.
Too, too long. It has been too, too.
Long catch up when you called inwe had not talked to you in in a
long time. Right.
Yeah. It's like, wow, life goes on,
you know, life. Goes on.
Yeah, and we're back covering non old school Christmas
(00:56):
lifetime movies, which is nice. I'm so so happy about that.
It's very nice. You're so happy about, are you?
Have you thought at all about, hey, Christmas is coming up?
No 'cause you're normal. Yeah, hold on.
Well, you know, Christmas in July did get me thinking about
Christmas and before Halloween, you know, and I think I'm ready
(01:17):
for that. I'm ready for that.
He's ready for it, so. Ready for that?
But you're not. You know you're not dealing with
it right now, right? No, I don't need to worry about
it now. But mentally I'm prepared for
the the early Christmas that is early to some, but not to us.
That's right. You know that's right.
Here's a question for you guys. Do we, what day does this come
(01:38):
out this episode? Wednesday.
It's Wednesday today. Wednesday the 14th What?
Day Do we talk about predictionsfor Christmas movies?
Is that on Thursday's episode oris it Tuesday's episode?
I think it's Thursday. Hey, Patrick, Patrick.
Crazy thought. When do you think the Hallmark's
going to drop their schedule forCountdown to Christmas if you
had to pick a date? The schedule is coming so soon.
(02:02):
Yeah, I'm going to say August 22nd.
Oh, 22nd. Wow.
You know what we should do, Brian?
We should put every Aaron shouldget her calendar out and every
day that somebody chooses, put that their name and just guess
beside it. So Aaron should put Patrick's
guests on August 22nd. Does that sound like a plan,
Aaron? Yeah, I think that's a good
(02:24):
idea. Awesome.
Oh, she's got it. I love.
I like that. I'm gonna think about that.
I'm gonna get back to you tomorrow and I will.
We'll, we'll. We'll, I'm I'm ready.
Like there's something about schedule day that really day.
But you know what's interesting,Patrick, is other that like last
year lifetime schedule came out super late, but for a while
(02:44):
there they were jumping the the Hallmark gun like they were
getting it out in like early August or whatever old
competition and it was like a whole thing.
And it seems like they've they've give it like given up
kind. They're they, they, they are
chill now. They're like whatever, you know,
Christmas is happening in December.
We'll see you then. I, I think they've come to terms
(03:05):
with the fact that they can't, they can't, they can't compete.
That's not where they're best. Well, and nobody wants them to
compete, really. That's right.
My thing is, is like, like, I, I, the Christmas movies must do
well enough for them to be like,hey, we should keep doing it,
but not at the rates that we were attempting to do it there
for a while. Yeah, waste a waste of time and
(03:28):
money. They they have other things to
develop, you know they. Did like say 16 or something
last year which? Yeah, they're way down.
They tried to compete. They tried to go 40 for 40.
Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy.
They're just going to keep doingrip from the headlines.
We're we're back to school. So we're going to have some high
school college movies coming up here in the fall.
So I just I. Just stand by the thought that
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Lifetime should do Christmas movies but do them Lifetime.
Like don't try to do Hallmark, try to do Lifetime.
Make them edgy, maybe a a true one of the rip from headlines,
but make it Christmassy. Like if I'm like, if I like when
I watch Lifetime movies, I don'twant it to be the same thing as
(04:12):
what homework's doing. I want it to be spicy and and
different and have some edge. And at Christmas time, it's like
they lose all edge and it's like, I don't.
Mean the most the most famous Christmas murder Jon Benet
Ramsey. I mean, we should just do Jon,
Benet, Ramsey, all different, you know, versions.
Wow, you want a bunch of different versions of the Jon
(04:34):
Benet Ramsey story in the of theholidays?
It's like, it's like Shakespeare, you know, you, you
set it in like the Salem witch trials and then you set it in
like the 50s. Wow.
You know, OK, I don't. I mean, it's not the worst idea
I've ever heard. It's just so weird, like
Christmas like. We're spitballing, we're.
Spitballing, this is basic, Yeah, we don't know.
(04:55):
But like the one, the one we watched the closeout the year
last year, like it's a wonderfulnight for whatever it was.
I don't remember what the title of it was.
It was just like, it was really nice 'cause it's like, this is
what I want from Lifetime. But then I also like
occasionally get the cozy feels of the Christmas tree in the
background. And I'm not like, we're not
asking for like it's something crazy.
(05:16):
We just want like Christmas in the background of a Lifetime
movie. That's all I want.
But. Also how?
Many murder punts can we make you know a.
Silent Knife. Yeah, it doesn't have to be
knife. It can be any of them angels
we've killed on half. Yeah, that's pretty good.
But that's actually kind of sad though.
Wow, that's, that's great. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's it's, yeah, it's
(05:39):
people named Angel. Yeah, it's people named Angel.
Yeah. Exactly right.
You got it. Joy to the kills.
Joy. I don't know.
Nope. You'll get there.
How about how about this one, though?
How about this one? All I want for Christmas is
revenge. OK, Yeah.
Oh, that's good. Thanks.
Good. And these are all free ideas.
(06:01):
Spitballing like this is good and it's we're just doing this
right. I would say this Hallmark, if
you're listening all of you execs that listen to Deck the
Lifetime on Cork those episodes.You're not talking to the
homework, the homework exec show.
Interesting. If you could release that sketch
on a Tuesday or Wednesday aroundnoon, I think would work best
for our schedule. And I know that that's important
to you guys. So Tuesday or Wednesdays around
(06:23):
noon, we would have time to cover it properly.
And so sure, maybe even a littlebefore noon, like if you could
do like an 11:00 AM boy. Well, yeah, last year they did
like first, first thing in the morning.
I'm, I'm sorry, are you guys notconsidered press?
Are you not getting, you know, the press preview?
We believe it or not, Patrick, we don't get any any of that
stuff. When they release that informat,
(06:44):
we'd love it. That would be great if we were
just doing a bit here, but we'renot.
We are in the dark on this. I think that they leave it's
mainly dark forever. It's like a people, People
exclusive. That's right.
So I feel like typically last year they went with someone
else, but for a while it was Entertainment Weekly.
Yeah, for a long time it was theEW exclusive.
(07:05):
We gotta know somebody. Let's put put out the network
like all the double deck can. You imagine if they win at
school, like hey deck the hallmarks gonna drop
exclusively, it'd be amazing, amazing for us.
They won't. They won't.
They're scared. Do it scared.
They're. Scared.
Yeah, they're scared about how successful it would.
Be on ING who got The Who got the exclusive for years.
(07:27):
She's been on our podcast before.
You would think she'd give us a heads up, but she can't do it.
She's a journalist. She, she, she gets it.
She, she knows how big of a dealthis is.
So you know. Right.
I'm trying to think of a a journal, a pop culture
journalist that I'm thinking of,but I have no reference of that
in a movie or anything. Isn't that weird?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk Miss Cleo, which was
(07:49):
a when this got announced that Lifetime was doing a Miss Cleo
movie, I felt like I saw the headline everywhere.
There was a lot of a lot of boots.
Patrick was excited about it. Oh yeah, I love, I love Miss
Cleo. But and Brandon, you don't know
anything about Miss. Cleo, I don't you everything I
know about Miss Cleo going into this movie, I heard from you.
(08:11):
I think I burned fest or something.
So probably this was this was like I knew the name Miss Cleo.
I knew that she was a personality and that was, I
didn't know that it was some sort of lie, fraud, scam.
I got to be honest, I know the name Miss Cleo and I know how
like big of a deal it was when Iwas a kid, like that was like
(08:32):
the ultimate psychic hotline number to call.
I don't know about the fallout, like I didn't follow it when it
all fell apart. So that's where I am.
I'm. You're going to learn.
You're going to learn about it today.
Yeah, I am. You are going to learn.
Through the lens of lifetime. It's called Miss Cleo, her rise
and fall. So we see, we both, we see the,
(08:52):
it's like a roller coaster, you know?
Just like a roller coaster. That's it.
Just like that, just a roller. Coaster of Miss Cleo.
That's right. There you go.
Yes, and the movie stars. I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start
with the not Miss Cleo names, and then we'll go to the Miss
Cleo. OK, So stars Ian Bowen, Towanda
(09:13):
Braxton, one of the Braxton, oneof the, you know.
Not Tony Braxton. Not Tony.
Not Tori. Not Tina.
And then we have someone called the Lady Rage.
Do you know about the Lady Rage guys?
I don't know, I. Did not when I saw the name.
(09:33):
Lady of Rage. The Lady of Rage.
I was like, what does that mean?Is that a production?
The actor's name? The actor's name is the Lady of
Rage. If you go to I love it her IMDb,
it's the Lady of. Rage, the real meta world.
When I saw the name I was like, oh, is this a production
company? No.
Or something? No, it's not.
No, no, it's, it's a name. And I had a dream last night,
(09:54):
'cause I dream of you all all the time.
Of course. Cool.
Usually not not safe for air, but this was safe for air.
IMDBI dreamed that she changed her name on IMDb to like Tina
tiny or tiny Tina or something tiny.
And I was like, Oh my, I woke uptoday I'm like, oh her, her name
must be different. And I looked up but it's still
(10:16):
the lady of rage. So we.
Dreamed that the the woman who changed her name to the Lady of
rage changed also changed it from that to tiny teeny.
Yeah, Yeah, I did. Yeah.
And it, it, it was one of those trees where you wake up, you're
like, like, what's that real you?
Immediately grab your phone. Teeny tiny.
(10:37):
No, Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
When she puts a first and last name like it was like first
name, is it the lady and then last name of rage?
Is that how we're? Splitting this up so.
I think that would be it's. Like Lady Lady Gaga, you know
Lady is the first name Gaga. Or the Lady of rage is all first
name and and no last name. Right.
Well, so the Lady of Rage is an iconic rapper who should have
(11:02):
been like bigger than they were.Like, like came up like Doctor
Dre, like that era. So the early 90s, early 90s and
like had a couple couple hits onlike some soundtracks and just
getting bumped from the schedule.
Like Snoop Dogg came in and thisis all West Coast rappers, of
course. So not our, you know, I was more
(11:22):
of an East Coast rapper person. So the West Coast.
I had to look this up. But I've listen.
I've heard your tapes, Patrick. No, listen, you were right.
Yeah, my mix tapes. Right.
You were ahead of the time. So she got bumped because Snoop
Dogg blew up and they're like, we got to get Snoop's album 1st
and then she's like, that's fine.
Dre did his album. It's like that's fine.
Then oh, they got Tupac out of jail.
(11:46):
They paid like millions of dollars to get him out of jail.
And then lady room for age is like, I don't know if they're
going to be doing my album. And then they do Tupac, he blows
up and she just keeps getting pushed back.
Pushback, pushback. That's sad and like the project
was just late ago, but they didn't.
Really. She was like, yeah, she was
like, established the record label with Dre and was like the
first artist signed and Oh my goodness.
(12:07):
Happened first. You know what?
That's fashion. She's got she's got rage, she's
got rage, she's got a reason to be mad.
And I gotta say, I don't know how much experience Lady of Rage
had going into this movie as faras acting goes, but really, I
thought really great actor, great performance.
Well, the lady. Of rage this is her first
leading role and she's her manager was setting her up by
(12:30):
giving her like bit parts and stuff and be like, all right,
we're just going to like we're just going to get you working
and then we'll we'll find the right role and this was the role
that they were. Like, but hearing that.
Back. Hearing that back story of
corporate greed screwing someoneover, it's a very interesting
kind of parallel that she gets to play Miss Cleo.
(12:53):
I think that's an interesting. Wow, you've been hanging out
with Alonzo. Yeah, I'm what in the world,
Brain? Are you OK?
Did. You get enough sleep last night.
That was very eloquent. Just not philosophical.
I did not. I'm sorry, Eloquent.
Eloquent. I think it's right.
I got to keep it. I got to bring it back down.
It's too many eloquent in the room, you know what I mean?
Also right movie directed by TimReed.
(13:15):
Tim. Tim Reid.
Tim Reid of Tim Reid from from sister.
Sister. Sister.
That's exactly right. And he makes some choices.
He makes some choices starting with he absolutely does a very
very long intro, probably like 2minute intro of tarot cards.
Like a camera panning on a tarotcard and cheesy music it.
Was so I disagree it was cheesy.I thought the song was a bop.
(13:37):
Number one sign you don't have enough movie in a Lifetime movie
is a 2 minute intro. Right, and I'm like, goodness,
let's get to it. That's tough.
So we of course do we meet Miss Cleo.
This is a true story, obviously,and there's a documentary on HBO
that's which this is based. Nice.
So I've seen the documentary originally when it aired
(13:58):
whatever, and it's pretty true to form.
So Miss Cleo is giving like an inspiring speech in her Jamaican
accent, which I'm not going to do.
I've decided no Jamaican accentson for me.
Was there a, was there a world, was there a timeline where you
did the Jamaican accent for? Us I was I was practicing a lot
(14:18):
with my dialect coach and Patrick.
'S an actor. He's an actor, they advised.
Me to not, they said, you know, cool runnings.
Let's leave it there. I just, you know, Patrick,
you're an actor and actors got to act sometimes and it's tough
to know when, when not to do it.And I applaud you for for
thinking that through. I mean, they also were like
(14:40):
Jamaican, Indian. We can't really tell.
It's a It's like you're. You're really not you're.
Not. That's the.
That's when you should. Definitely not when you can't
tell the difference between. Yes, the.
Accent. But you guys, I'm an actor and
so is Miss Cleo. Miss Cleo's real name or actual
name is Yori Harris. They call her Ree for short, and
(15:01):
Ree is literally like doing thisone woman show.
Miss Cleo's a character that shehas created to a sold out
audience. Like sold out.
The whole run is sold out. The producers like this is great
that you're sold out, but you'rebehind on all the payments to
everybody who's been working on the production.
Like you got to pay people 1st. And she's like, Oh no, I was
(15:24):
going to pay them after the run.And they're like, that's not
really how it works. And it seems a little shady.
The production like things aren't great.
She she got a grant to like do it as well.
She like lied and like got grantmoney to fund this.
And she basically decides that they're good.
They're like pressuring her to pay and she's like, I don't have
(15:46):
the money. She takes her daughters and runs
off, leaves the production high and dry and takes the grant
money and moves to Florida. The thing I found interesting
about this Patrick, is that I when this started, I assumed
that this was something that shewas putting together after the
TV run came to an end. But she had already created this
(16:10):
Miss Cleo character before the hotline stuff even didn't.
She was trying like, you know, workshopping it here for this
play that ultimately didn't cometo be.
But when it started, I was like,oh, this is one of those the the
here and then we're going to go back and see how she got there.
But no, this is just the the beginning.
Yeah. Yeah.
And like she went to college fortheater, didn't graduate.
(16:31):
Like this is a person who had who had desires to be in the
entertainment business and possibly like wanted to be
probably wanted to be famous. And like with was like that was
like a goal for them, right? When she's in Fort Lauderdale,
she lays low. She's like not trying to be in
the spotlight. She's trying to duck out from
(16:52):
all these people who are like, what the heck, You ran off with
our money, right? It's important here to note her
mother lives, I guess, in the area and they do have Jamaican
heritage. So that's kind of where she
pulled the inspiration for Miss Cleo from.
But she's like in need of money.Like the the grant money's
running out. She has two daughters to put
through school. She is a single mother.
(17:13):
Apparently, this comes up later.Her husband was a homosexual.
And it said it said it said as much as a homosexual.
Is that how they say that? They do.
They sure do. Yeah, I, I loved it.
I was like, that's. They she slips that she's like
having an argument with her mom,like, I don't know, an hour into
(17:34):
this movie and she just slips that line in there and I'm like,
what can we get more of that story like that past?
That's interesting. That's an interesting
development here that we don't get the true.
Story is, not only was she married to a homosexual, Miss
Clear is also a lesbian. Oh, wow.
In real life, she's has since died, but she was a lesbian and
(17:56):
came out, like, in the early 2000s anyway.
So, yeah, so there's a little some little gay undertones here.
She had a roommate at the top ofthe movie, like whatever.
So yeah. But not explicitly laid out,
right. She starts searching in the The
Wanted ads. Remember The Wanted ads?
Did you did like, did we ever have to use those?
(18:16):
I don't think so, David. I never did, definitely.
No, I didn't, but it was. I will say I take that back when
I was looking for a job in St. Louis, MO In 2007 I was using
every like every means necessaryand I did look at the one ads
employment section and actually delivered like tried to sell
(18:39):
frozen steak out of a truck doorto door.
But you ate. You ate them all.
Because yeah, no, I wish. I know you love steak.
No, I got caught in a car, I gothot box.
It was a whole story I don't have time for.
It right now. But it was, it was quite a
story. But yeah, because of the because
of the one ad, they're classified the one ads.
(19:00):
Yeah, there you go. Well, and it was just refreshing
to see like someone circling a piece of paper for a job.
I was like, there's something really satisfying about like the
circling of the job in red. Anyways, this is where she finds
the. It like it like it feels like
hope. You know, it feels like hope
like when you. Circle it and you're.
Like you, you see it for me. This is like this represents
(19:22):
possibility. Yeah.
We don't have that now. You don't see it in movies that
much anymore. And it was actually like, I was
like, uh, this is really nice. Like, I don't know something
about it. Like I was like, wow, I really
like I'm I'm feeling nostalgic for paper and circling things.
Anyways, she hooks up with the psychic readers network.
It's a call center. The boss is like or a
(19:45):
supervisor. She's like, this is not sexy
time calls. So shut that down.
Here's the script. Just read the script and do it
the. Script, yeah.
Do your thing, do you? Remember, do you remember the
the rise of 900 numbers? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Everywhere. Oh yeah, everywhere.
And the naughty ones, too. Like one time I'll tell a quick
(20:06):
story about college. This guy, he was at a party in
our house. We would have parties all the
time. And this particular night,
someone locked themselves in my friend Sarah's room and was
calling 900 numbers on because we had a landline in college for
some reason and was calling all the sexy numbers and like
(20:28):
writing the numbers on the wall,like calling the operator,
getting the numbers and then writing the numbers on the wall.
And then like just being on the phone.
And we were like, get out of ourhouse, please.
Like get open the unlock this door.
How much money did it cost you? I have no idea, but we did have
to call and get the charges removed.
Yeah, they were. Expensive though, right?
This was like it was before my time so I didn't really get to.
(20:50):
I've never called, but yeah, it was, it was a substantial amount
of money, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
I've got no experience with them.
I do remember them being all therage though.
Like I remember them being such a big thing.
Right, I feel like that I missedmy calling.
I would have loved to be like a call girl.
So fun. Yeah, you have been great.
We. Or a psychic friend, because
they apparently hire everybody. That's true.
(21:12):
This the job vetting for the psychic phone network or
whatever it's called isn't very they don't care no, if you claim
to actually be a psychic, as long as you can follow the
script, you're going to be goingto go we're going to follow the
script. We're going to take a break.
That's what it says right here. It says it right here in the
script. We'll be right back here on deck
(21:34):
the. Hallmark deck the Hallmark.
You want to wait on someone? No.
And then it says, well, it says we'll do it together.
Welcome back. Yeah, Welcome back, everybody.
We're talking about the Miss Cleo movie Lifetime.
(21:54):
Patrick is here. And Miss Cleo just got a job at
the call center. Right.
And she has to sign a contract at the beginning of her shift
that says I am certified as a psychic or something.
It it, it's some legal jargon. She doesn't really read it.
She's like whatever. And then she starts to really
just get into character, like she immediately goes into the
(22:18):
Miss Cleo character because it'sit's more fun for her.
She's like, I'm having fun with this.
And she's has has the sayings weall know, like the tarot cards
don't lie and Miss Cleo doesn't lie either.
You know that type of thing you want to go give.
Me one more of those with a Jamaican accent.
Or no, no, we've been told you. Can't do it, I almost said.
I almost said, you know, call menow.
(22:42):
Yeah, we. Said right from Philo TV.
Father.tv/DTH Patrick's runner did raise the roof on that one.
So I sure did. You have to.
You have. To call me now.
We see a caller who's like a recurring caller and who's a
singer, and they need encouragement about their
singing, and that singer turns out to be Beyoncé.
(23:05):
That's right. Oh my gosh, is it what?
No, no, it doesn't. It doesn't.
But we don't know. We don't know that it's not.
We don't know it's not, you knowit's not, not Beyoncé.
She kind of remind me of Maya ifI'm honest.
Well, there you go. Could be Maya.
Yeah, Maya. Could be, could be Buster.
Anyway, so the call the call center owners, Steven and Peter,
(23:26):
typical business owners, you know they've got mullets, but I
think both of them have mullets or.
This is 90s, right? Yeah, they've got the glasses
and they are like blown away by Miss Cleo's numbers.
They think it's the not only is she the highest earner ever,
they think that the office is the highest earning ever.
They don't understand that it's just one person's earnings.
(23:48):
You know what I mean? That's right.
And Peter and Steven are these like classic, we like what you
would consider now to be like a tech bro, like somebody who sees
like this potential boom with these 900 numbers and like, it's
just kind of throwing things at the wall, seeing what's sticks.
So they had like the psychic line number, but they also had
(24:10):
some other ones. But when they see Miss Cleo's
numbers off the chart, they are like blown away that one person
could do this. And they decide to go all in on
the psychic and specifically Miss Cleo.
So they meet with Miss Cleo. They're like pitching her on
like what they want and she's like, I don't get it.
And they're like, no, we want you to be like our brand
ambassador, like our spokesperson, like we'll pay you
(24:32):
to shoot a commercial. We'll see how it goes.
We'll pay you like 15 K. It's a.
Big number in the 90s for somebody who's trying to make
it, yeah. And she's she's like, sure,
yeah, I'll do that. I'm an actor.
I have experience. I can be a spokesperson, which
is something I would say too. I would totally be like, yeah,
absolutely. Why not?
One of the things I hear constantly with when I hear
(24:53):
podcasts with actors is almost all of them are like, I would
100% just say I could do something when I when I don't
know if I could do it or not. Right.
But there's like some, you know,moral ambiguity there too,
right? Very nicely done.
You're saying like I'm a psychicand people are calling because
they believe you can help them with stuff.
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Where's the line and their? Character.
You're playing a character on commercial.
Yeah, absolutely. And there is a disclaimer.
I'm a doctor that that aren't a doctor.
Right, like Doctor Oz and all that stuff, right.
So there there is a disclaimer on the commercials at the very
bottom that's like for entertainment purposes, blah,
blah, blah. But is that enough?
Are are people being duped? Is, is the quandary of the
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movie? Like is Miss Cleo with her shady
past liable for all this? And then the movie gets into
like all the nitty gritty of that, like from here, pretty.
Yes, yeah. I think it's a she's obviously
drawn to the 15,000. She's dropped.
Like she meets with these guys in this nice restaurant and
they're gonna buy her a steak and they get her whiskey.
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And she's like, this is like thelife that this is it.
This is like the life that she always thought that she would
have. Classic Rising, like a really
classic story you've seen writ large like in like a Scorsese.
And like the the. Only thing missing is selling
your soul to the devil, signing the contract in blood.
You know that whole? Thing well, that all happens, I
think, behind the camera, but this like is very she doesn't
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even want to really. She doesn't wait to hear the
specifics of what they want. It's like, oh, you're getting me
a rib eye and a a nice glass of whiskey.
This is the life like if is it more of this I'm in is basically
how it how it goes down. And, and she blows up like the
the commercials are extremely successful.
She gets on the talk show circuit and we get a Jenny Jones
(26:47):
actress here. I just want to shout out Jenny
Jones because whoever the actor was had the voice down to a tee.
I used to watch Jenny every day.Jerry who?
Jenny Jones. Yeah.
But I mean, what about what about our, I believe Ricki Lake
from South Carolina? Ricki Lake, also one that I used
to watch all the time, would be like Ricki, Ricki, Ricki.
(27:08):
I don't know Jenny Jones. I've I've obviously know of
Jerry. Jerry.
Kind of took over that whole market.
But like, yeah, Jenny Jones, Ricky.
All the same type of shows like,just like having people like
just Kerry. Trash.
OK, Kerry. Trash.
Yeah, but but you know, I mean, it's like reality TV of that
era. It basically or YouTube or
TikTok of that era, Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
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So she's quite famous and she gets hounded on the street by
paparazzi. The call center is like blowing
up. Everybody wants to talk to Miss
Cleo. And like, her family is starting
to be like, this is like, kind of messed up.
Like, we're getting made fun of at school.
And the moms like people are people are coming to my door and
like asking me for refunds because their kids, like call
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them, didn't realize it cost money.
You know, like they think Miss Cleo, Miss Cleo is running the
business. Yes, but at the end of the day,
Miss Cleo is just like, listen, I'm able to buy this nice house.
My kids can have a nice house tolive in and I'm just She just
continues to believe and I. I like the way that the rage
(28:17):
Lady of Rage is playing Miss Cleo the.
Rage as we call. Her made me believe that Miss
Cleo truly did just think of it as a performance.
Like it, like this movie. At no time was I cheering
against Miss Cleveland. It doesn't blink, it doesn't
ever wink and say no, she was inon it.
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Yeah, it like it. It just makes like, she's a
really likable character and youjust kind of whenever she's just
like, it's just a character. I'm, I'm just playing a
character. You're like, OK, She really
believed it. Well, and she's looking out for
herself, too. She's like, I'm a business woman
and I'm trying to like, you know, make a success out of
this. I want to have more creative
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freedom with the character. I want to do books.
I want to write a Broadway show like I want to.
This is really hitting with the public.
I want to take this Miss Cleo character and move her, like, to
her own things, right? And that really messes up the
businessmen. They're like, Oh no, we own you
and we are not letting you gonnabe get out of this contract.
(29:21):
They write a new contract to like keep the all the Miss Cleo
properties under them because they're making 25,000,000 a
month, 25,000,000 a month. With just the with just the 900
number. And how much are they paying
her? They're, I mean, they're paying
her pennies. Yeah, they don't.
I don't feel like that was my biggest question is like, how
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much did she actually make off of this?
Right. Because it doesn't like aside
from the house that she gets, which is, you know, a nice
house, but it's not like a mansion.
It's not like she's living a crazy lifestyle with like a
she's not, we never see her drive a crazy car or anything
like that. That you would assume somebody
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that's Miss Cleo and the company's making 25,000,000, you
would assume is living living the high life.
I guess my yes, but at no point does the disclaimer go away or
the accent dropped right? No like so.
I, I I know this is a movie we're talking about, not real
life, but I don't know how she gets in trouble then.
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OK, well, we're getting there because the the FTC, which I
don't, I don't know what the FTCis.
I know what the FCC is, right? What's the FTC?
Federal Trade Commission, Yeah. OK cool.
I was like FCC the but FTC, OK, so they are like gonna do a
class action lawsuit for people who called in who were
(30:49):
misrepresented and you know, we're calling like 9 states are
basically like Miss Cleo is committing fraud.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, this is how I understood it.
Miss Cleo would say call now foryour free reading and on the
screen there would be an 800 number.
You would call that 800 number, which is a free number, and it
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would then tell you to like all the lines are busy, call this
900 number. That 900 number would cost money
and the. Bait and switch that happens
with every Instagram ad ever? Sure, right.
Yes, but people were doing this and not fully realizing because
Miss Cleo was saying call for your free reading.
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They weren't realizing that whenthey then call that new number,
it is then going to charge them.That was my understanding of the
basic, yeah, fraud that took place.
And Even so, is Miss Cleo culpable for that, or is it the
owners of the business, you know?
Yes, exactly. But they they want to take Miss
Cleo down because she representsthe business and it would be a
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better story. She's the face of the business,
yeah. Yeah, they're like, we want to
go for her. This is how it's going to go.
And I can understand that like looking in, Miss Cleo is the
only person you see. So you would assume going into
this, I assumed that Miss Miss Cleo was the Empire.
And yeah, you know, you don't realize watching the the TV and
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calling the number that how little she actually has to do
with the the business itself. Like anytime she tries to meet
with the two businessmen, after a certain point, they stopped
talking to her like don't come in the office.
So it was a very like she doesn't have anything to do with
the company. It's how it was shown to us.
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Right. And they're like, we're A-Team,
we'll stick together, like don't, don't talk bad about us.
And like, let's just get throughthis lawsuit, of course.
But you know, then when it's time for Miss Cleo's portion of
the lawsuit, they leave her highand dry.
Yeah, she gets to talk to herself in a dream, which is
fine. So we have like the Miss Cleo,
like in the call center and she said.
(33:02):
Tiny Tina or is it Miss Cleo? Center right right.
Right. Exactly.
So she miss Cleo in the dream islike call your lawyer.
Oh God, I thought I would do an accent.
Oh. This Miss Cleo is from Brooklyn.
Call your lawyer. Call your lawyer.
Call your lawyer. And the lawyer is like, hey, we
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they want to see your birth certificate to prove you're from
Jamaica. You have to like basically prove
that you are Miss Cleo and you're a certified psychic.
But to get like through this lawsuit.
Do you miss Cleo that had here? This is.
Not here, she really did. You know, I just, I just had a
dream, actually, Patrick. Oh, really?
I had a dream. And.
And then in the dream, Miss Cleotold me that it's time to take a
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break. Wow.
Maybe. She is a real psychic.
I don't know. And call your lawyer.
I'm gonna we're gonna take a break.
We're gonna call our lawyers andwe'll be right back here on
deck. Don.
Hello, everybody. Welcome back.
We're talking to Miss Cleo and Stuff's.
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Stuff's about to hit the fan, Patrick.
Oh yeah, $44 million and stuff is what they want to get from
Miss Cleo. I know.
And I'm like, does she even havethat?
But what? Year is this happening in?
This is like mid 90s, late 90s. I mean, it's it's been a good
run. It's been a good run for her.
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She is deposed, and in the deposition she pleads the 5th
for like everything. Yeah, She gets a lawyer on her
own that is not given to her. Yeah, I don't know.
I it seemed like he was doing the best he could.
He was not affiliated with the company.
She got a lawyer herself. And so he's doing the best he
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can to try to protect his clients, who is being told by
the company to whatever she saysprotect the company.
So it's in a weird tight, tight rope walk.
Well, and she tells them like she tells them off in like a
scene, Steven and Peter. And she's like, I'm going to go
to the press. I'm going to be the star witness
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against you guys in the in your case.
So you better I'm, I'm having a psychic prediction right now
that it's not really going to gowell for you.
And they're, they're like, Oh, no, they decide to settle with
the FTC for a $500 million settlement.
Molly. So like the people that are like
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that called at throughout the the history of Miss Cleo were
like getting checks in the mail for like, you know, This is why.
Totally. It's like when Facebook did the
the face recognition without telling people and then everyone
got money for that. I think we do know, like, the
most, that was the most unrealistic thing about this
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movie was these people getting these checks in a timely manner.
Yeah. Like, that was like, it
happened. And then you see people opening
their checks and be like, yeah, it's amazing.
Those people are old. They have grandkids now that
like by the time they finally get the settlement money, good.
Good luck. It's true and it is a ground
breaking case because it does make those deceptive claims like
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not tolerated on infomercials and they have to really spell
out everything now from from here on out.
I got to be honest. I'm more fascinated by this than
any episode of Deck Light Time in Court ever.
I'm not saying it's the best movie, but from a story
standpoint, this is very, very interesting.
Ohh yeah this could easily be one of your history Herstory
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episodes. Course.
That's what it's called. Yeah, history.
Herstory. That's.
That was the name we almost wentwith.
History. Herstory.
Right, right. History.
History, History. So the.
Public, of course, still makes fun of Miss Cleo.
And she tells her kids she's, like, laugh with them.
It's hilarious. I was a spokesperson using a
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Jamaican accent and doing all this crazy stuff.
And that's funny, right? Like, we need to just, like,
move on, have a tough skin. And she, like, looks like,
knowingly at the camera at the end, like, leaves it up to the
viewer to decide, like, how muchshe was involved in the scheme.
And that's pretty much the movie, yeah.
(37:22):
There you have it. Yeah.
I mean, I think the big like questions that I had after it
was like, how like she wasn't allowed to do anymore Miss Cleo
stuff even as just like a spokesperson, like right, Like
do commercials as Miss Cleo because she doesn't own that
character anymore. So how like, how did she?
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I think she did do a parody of it on like fuse, like a fuse
network or something like that. Like one of those cable networks
they like. Got her like way after the fact.
How interesting. Do but how did she like did she
get money for at the end of this?
Like would did she get any money?
How much money did she have to live off of from the initial run
(38:05):
of Miss Cleo? I think she just like made
public appearances and just did like stayed out of like the the
like, you know, limelight as faras TV and movies, but you know,
just kind of lit worked off the people being interested in her
story And she she died like early, like early 2000s or or
no, not early. 2018. 20/16/20. Yeah, not early 2000s from.
(38:28):
Cancer. OK, rest in.
Peace. Yeah, but she was young.
She was only 53 when she died, so wow.
Wow. Fascinating.
I know so now on the show, we either pour it up, which is like
we would recommend or put a corkin it, which means we would not
recommend and Dan, you used yourimagination.
You were interested in the story.
What did you think about I gotta?
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Pour it up. There's no way around it.
I think that there's so much interesting here.
I think that it's very it's a groundbreaking case.
I feels like at the very least, I need to go watch the
documentary, which you guys saidwas on a different network and I
need to like I, I this seems like a really interesting story.
So I, I'm, and you guys said that she did a great lady of the
(39:09):
rage, Miss Miss Rage did a greatjob.
I, I don't like, what am I to complain about here?
This seems like a home run. I'm pouring it up.
Let me give you let me tell you one more thing and just see if
it changes your mind at all. There throughout this movie.
And I don't for the life of me know why this happened, but they
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there was a clear profanity usedin this movie that they silenced
and it was very weird when it would happen.
And I don't know why they like maybe this movie was made and
Lifetime said we want it and they couldn't cut it to make it
(39:50):
clean. So they just.
Here's the thing guys, Tim Reed known cursor known bad word
Sayer yes, Tim Tim Reed on sister sister was dropping F
bombs every other sentence and they had to bleed him out so
much on sister. Sister Tia and Tamara were like
so young. They they were like, Oh my gosh,
(40:11):
we didn't know all these someone.
'S. Existed.
That's right, Right. And and so when he went in to
direct this movie, he said, you take me or leave me.
They did both. Actually, but they didn't.
Take me or bleep me. They or bleep me is what they
did. Both actually.
They took him and they bleeped him.
But they don't, they don't like do the beeps out.
It's just silence, which is silence.
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It's more jarring and it draws more attention to it.
And I understand there's only somuch like you can't say certain
things on Oh yeah, on TV like itis what it is, but it was.
Confident now in my port up, butI'm gonna port up still.
Yeah, it doesn't happen a ton, but it happens in these really
powerful moments. Dramatic moments where?
She's like calling them out on their BS and then like it's just
(40:52):
silent for a second. Oh.
Right that. Stinks.
So that was a tough a tough partof the movie.
You're right. Keep the swear words in, please.
Yeah. I would released on the
uncensored version release the. Cleo cut.
Release the Cleo cut That's right, I'm pouring this movie
up. I loved it.
I found the whole story to be truly fascinating.
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I didn't know that there was a documentary, so I'm going to
watch that now because I just I think the thing that intrigues
me the most is I like. She definitely played it to
where you were sympathetic with her.
She definitely felt like she wasplaying a character and how the
human, like the brain is so capable of tricking itself into
(41:39):
ignoring all of the red flags. Like this company's shady.
Because I'm getting to, I'm getting to act and I'm finally
getting this attention that I think I deserve.
And so you can absolutely convince yourself that
everything is on the up and up, even though in your heart of
hearts you know it's not. And I and I thought that the
Lady of Rage played that perfectly, really impressed by
(42:03):
her performance and I thought itwas great.
Really, really really liked it. Awesome.
Yeah, I'm pouring it up as well.I agree.
Lady of Rage was incredible. I'm glad she's getting her
moment in the sun to kind of shine in this movie and, you
know, maybe do other things. Emmys don't really consider TV
movies in the TV movie category,which is annoying, but I feel
(42:26):
like it would be a good a good submission at least like submit,
submit her for this Lifetime. And yeah, as far as the story
goes, they did air the Lifetime aired the HBO doc after this.
So they got the rights to air it.
Cool. So that was nice.
So for anybody who was curious, they could watch it right after
the movie. I saw it two years ago and this
(42:50):
movie did a good job adopting that.
I think like, yeah, the script, the script was good, director
was good like production was, was good on this so.
Triple poured up. Gosh, a triple poured up, man.
So that that's so the documentary.
You can watch it on Philo which is great.
You watch it on Philo are. You watching this right now?
That's great. I love that.
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That's great. Well, we did everybody, a triple
pour up for Miss Cleo and I think that's all that you can
hope for. That's all you in this in this
day, in this economy, a triple pour up is impressive.
Patrick, thank you for joining us once again.
It has been too long and let's do it again sometime, yeah?
We will. We will.
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Hi, I'm Brandon. I love Lifetime movies.
Hi, I'm Patrick Serrano and I'm a Lifetime movie expert.
Hi I'm Dan and I despise the Lifetime movies and this is the.
(00:31):
Wow, wow, wow. Hello everybody.
Oh. Boy, it's great to be here
today. Patrick, you're back.
Oh my gosh, it's been too long. It's.
Too, too long. It has been too, too.
Long catch up when you called inwe had not talked to you in in a
long time. Right.
Yeah. It's like, wow, life goes on,
you know, life. Goes on.
Yeah, and we're back covering non old school Christmas
(00:56):
lifetime movies, which is nice. I'm so so happy about that.
It's very nice. You're so happy about, are you?
Have you thought at all about, hey, Christmas is coming up?
No 'cause you're normal. Yeah, hold on.
Well, you know, Christmas in July did get me thinking about
Christmas and before Halloween, you know, and I think I'm ready
(01:17):
for that. I'm ready for that.
He's ready for it, so. Ready for that?
But you're not. You know you're not dealing with
it right now, right? No, I don't need to worry about
it now. But mentally I'm prepared for
the the early Christmas that is early to some, but not to us.
That's right. You know that's right.
Here's a question for you guys. Do we, what day does this come
(01:38):
out this episode? Wednesday.
It's Wednesday today. Wednesday the 14th What?
Day Do we talk about predictionsfor Christmas movies?
Is that on Thursday's episode oris it Tuesday's episode?
I think it's Thursday. Hey, Patrick, Patrick.
Crazy thought. When do you think the Hallmark's
going to drop their schedule forCountdown to Christmas if you
had to pick a date? The schedule is coming so soon.
(02:02):
Yeah, I'm going to say August 22nd.
Oh, 22nd. Wow.
You know what we should do, Brian?
We should put every Aaron shouldget her calendar out and every
day that somebody chooses, put that their name and just guess
beside it. So Aaron should put Patrick's
guests on August 22nd. Does that sound like a plan,
Aaron? Yeah, I think that's a good
(02:24):
idea. Awesome.
Oh, she's got it. I love.
I like that. I'm gonna think about that.
I'm gonna get back to you tomorrow and I will.
We'll, we'll. We'll, I'm I'm ready.
Like there's something about schedule day that really day.
But you know what's interesting,Patrick, is other that like last
year lifetime schedule came out super late, but for a while
(02:44):
there they were jumping the the Hallmark gun like they were
getting it out in like early August or whatever old
competition and it was like a whole thing.
And it seems like they've they've give it like given up
kind. They're they, they, they are
chill now. They're like whatever, you know,
Christmas is happening in December.
We'll see you then. I, I think they've come to terms
(03:05):
with the fact that they can't, they can't, they can't compete.
That's not where they're best. Well, and nobody wants them to
compete, really. That's right.
My thing is, is like, like, I, I, the Christmas movies must do
well enough for them to be like,hey, we should keep doing it,
but not at the rates that we were attempting to do it there
for a while. Yeah, waste a waste of time and
(03:28):
money. They they have other things to
develop, you know they. Did like say 16 or something
last year which? Yeah, they're way down.
They tried to compete. They tried to go 40 for 40.
Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy.
They're just going to keep doingrip from the headlines.
We're we're back to school. So we're going to have some high
school college movies coming up here in the fall.
So I just I. Just stand by the thought that
(03:52):
Lifetime should do Christmas movies but do them Lifetime.
Like don't try to do Hallmark, try to do Lifetime.
Make them edgy, maybe a a true one of the rip from headlines,
but make it Christmassy. Like if I'm like, if I like when
I watch Lifetime movies, I don'twant it to be the same thing as
(04:12):
what homework's doing. I want it to be spicy and and
different and have some edge. And at Christmas time, it's like
they lose all edge and it's like, I don't.
Mean the most the most famous Christmas murder Jon Benet
Ramsey. I mean, we should just do Jon,
Benet, Ramsey, all different, you know, versions.
Wow, you want a bunch of different versions of the Jon
(04:34):
Benet Ramsey story in the of theholidays?
It's like, it's like Shakespeare, you know, you, you
set it in like the Salem witch trials and then you set it in
like the 50s. Wow.
You know, OK, I don't. I mean, it's not the worst idea
I've ever heard. It's just so weird, like
Christmas like. We're spitballing, we're.
Spitballing, this is basic, Yeah, we don't know.
(04:55):
But like the one, the one we watched the closeout the year
last year, like it's a wonderfulnight for whatever it was.
I don't remember what the title of it was.
It was just like, it was really nice 'cause it's like, this is
what I want from Lifetime. But then I also like
occasionally get the cozy feels of the Christmas tree in the
background. And I'm not like, we're not
asking for like it's something crazy.
(05:16):
We just want like Christmas in the background of a Lifetime
movie. That's all I want.
But. Also how?
Many murder punts can we make you know a.
Silent Knife. Yeah, it doesn't have to be
knife. It can be any of them angels
we've killed on half. Yeah, that's pretty good.
But that's actually kind of sad though.
Wow, that's, that's great. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's it's, yeah, it's
(05:39):
people named Angel. Yeah, it's people named Angel.
Yeah. Exactly right.
You got it. Joy to the kills.
Joy. I don't know.
Nope. You'll get there.
How about how about this one, though?
How about this one? All I want for Christmas is
revenge. OK, Yeah.
Oh, that's good. Thanks.
Good. And these are all free ideas.
(06:01):
Spitballing like this is good and it's we're just doing this
right. I would say this Hallmark, if
you're listening all of you execs that listen to Deck the
Lifetime on Cork those episodes.You're not talking to the
homework, the homework exec show.
Interesting. If you could release that sketch
on a Tuesday or Wednesday aroundnoon, I think would work best
for our schedule. And I know that that's important
to you guys. So Tuesday or Wednesdays around
(06:23):
noon, we would have time to cover it properly.
And so sure, maybe even a littlebefore noon, like if you could
do like an 11:00 AM boy. Well, yeah, last year they did
like first, first thing in the morning.
I'm, I'm sorry, are you guys notconsidered press?
Are you not getting, you know, the press preview?
We believe it or not, Patrick, we don't get any any of that
stuff. When they release that informat,
(06:44):
we'd love it. That would be great if we were
just doing a bit here, but we'renot.
We are in the dark on this. I think that they leave it's
mainly dark forever. It's like a people, People
exclusive. That's right.
So I feel like typically last year they went with someone
else, but for a while it was Entertainment Weekly.
Yeah, for a long time it was theEW exclusive.
(07:05):
We gotta know somebody. Let's put put out the network
like all the double deck can. You imagine if they win at
school, like hey deck the hallmarks gonna drop
exclusively, it'd be amazing, amazing for us.
They won't. They won't.
They're scared. Do it scared.
They're. Scared.
Yeah, they're scared about how successful it would.
Be on ING who got The Who got the exclusive for years.
(07:27):
She's been on our podcast before.
You would think she'd give us a heads up, but she can't do it.
She's a journalist. She, she, she gets it.
She, she knows how big of a dealthis is.
So you know. Right.
I'm trying to think of a a journal, a pop culture
journalist that I'm thinking of,but I have no reference of that
in a movie or anything. Isn't that weird?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk Miss Cleo, which was
(07:49):
a when this got announced that Lifetime was doing a Miss Cleo
movie, I felt like I saw the headline everywhere.
There was a lot of a lot of boots.
Patrick was excited about it. Oh yeah, I love, I love Miss
Cleo. But and Brandon, you don't know
anything about Miss. Cleo, I don't you everything I
know about Miss Cleo going into this movie, I heard from you.
(08:11):
I think I burned fest or something.
So probably this was this was like I knew the name Miss Cleo.
I knew that she was a personality and that was, I
didn't know that it was some sort of lie, fraud, scam.
I got to be honest, I know the name Miss Cleo and I know how
like big of a deal it was when Iwas a kid, like that was like
(08:32):
the ultimate psychic hotline number to call.
I don't know about the fallout, like I didn't follow it when it
all fell apart. So that's where I am.
I'm. You're going to learn.
You're going to learn about it today.
Yeah, I am. You are going to learn.
Through the lens of lifetime. It's called Miss Cleo, her rise
and fall. So we see, we both, we see the,
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it's like a roller coaster, you know?
Just like a roller coaster. That's it.
Just like that, just a roller. Coaster of Miss Cleo.
That's right. There you go.
Yes, and the movie stars. I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start
with the not Miss Cleo names, and then we'll go to the Miss
Cleo. OK, So stars Ian Bowen, Towanda
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Braxton, one of the Braxton, oneof the, you know.
Not Tony Braxton. Not Tony.
Not Tori. Not Tina.
And then we have someone called the Lady Rage.
Do you know about the Lady Rage guys?
I don't know, I. Did not when I saw the name.
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Lady of Rage. The Lady of Rage.
I was like, what does that mean?Is that a production?
The actor's name? The actor's name is the Lady of
Rage. If you go to I love it her IMDb,
it's the Lady of. Rage, the real meta world.
When I saw the name I was like, oh, is this a production
company? No.
Or something? No, it's not.
No, no, it's, it's a name. And I had a dream last night,
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'cause I dream of you all all the time.
Of course. Cool.
Usually not not safe for air, but this was safe for air.
IMDBI dreamed that she changed her name on IMDb to like Tina
tiny or tiny Tina or something tiny.
And I was like, Oh my, I woke uptoday I'm like, oh her, her name
must be different. And I looked up but it's still
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the lady of rage. So we.
Dreamed that the the woman who changed her name to the Lady of
rage changed also changed it from that to tiny teeny.
Yeah, Yeah, I did. Yeah.
And it, it, it was one of those trees where you wake up, you're
like, like, what's that real you?
Immediately grab your phone. Teeny tiny.
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No, Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
When she puts a first and last name like it was like first
name, is it the lady and then last name of rage?
Is that how we're? Splitting this up so.
I think that would be it's. Like Lady Lady Gaga, you know
Lady is the first name Gaga. Or the Lady of rage is all first
name and and no last name. Right.
Well, so the Lady of Rage is an iconic rapper who should have
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been like bigger than they were.Like, like came up like Doctor
Dre, like that era. So the early 90s, early 90s and
like had a couple couple hits onlike some soundtracks and just
getting bumped from the schedule.
Like Snoop Dogg came in and thisis all West Coast rappers, of
course. So not our, you know, I was more
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of an East Coast rapper person. So the West Coast.
I had to look this up. But I've listen.
I've heard your tapes, Patrick. No, listen, you were right.
Yeah, my mix tapes. Right.
You were ahead of the time. So she got bumped because Snoop
Dogg blew up and they're like, we got to get Snoop's album 1st
and then she's like, that's fine.
Dre did his album. It's like that's fine.
Then oh, they got Tupac out of jail.
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They paid like millions of dollars to get him out of jail.
And then lady room for age is like, I don't know if they're
going to be doing my album. And then they do Tupac, he blows
up and she just keeps getting pushed back.
Pushback, pushback. That's sad and like the project
was just late ago, but they didn't.
Really. She was like, yeah, she was
like, established the record label with Dre and was like the
first artist signed and Oh my goodness.
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Happened first. You know what?
That's fashion. She's got she's got rage, she's
got rage, she's got a reason to be mad.
And I gotta say, I don't know how much experience Lady of Rage
had going into this movie as faras acting goes, but really, I
thought really great actor, great performance.
Well, the lady. Of rage this is her first
leading role and she's her manager was setting her up by
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giving her like bit parts and stuff and be like, all right,
we're just going to like we're just going to get you working
and then we'll we'll find the right role and this was the role
that they were. Like, but hearing that.
Back. Hearing that back story of
corporate greed screwing someoneover, it's a very interesting
kind of parallel that she gets to play Miss Cleo.
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I think that's an interesting. Wow, you've been hanging out
with Alonzo. Yeah, I'm what in the world,
Brain? Are you OK?
Did. You get enough sleep last night.
That was very eloquent. Just not philosophical.
I did not. I'm sorry, Eloquent.
Eloquent. I think it's right.
I got to keep it. I got to bring it back down.
It's too many eloquent in the room, you know what I mean?
Also right movie directed by TimReed.
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Tim. Tim Reid.
Tim Reid of Tim Reid from from sister.
Sister. Sister.
That's exactly right. And he makes some choices.
He makes some choices starting with he absolutely does a very
very long intro, probably like 2minute intro of tarot cards.
Like a camera panning on a tarotcard and cheesy music it.
Was so I disagree it was cheesy.I thought the song was a bop.
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Number one sign you don't have enough movie in a Lifetime movie
is a 2 minute intro. Right, and I'm like, goodness,
let's get to it. That's tough.
So we of course do we meet Miss Cleo.
This is a true story, obviously,and there's a documentary on HBO
that's which this is based. Nice.
So I've seen the documentary originally when it aired
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whatever, and it's pretty true to form.
So Miss Cleo is giving like an inspiring speech in her Jamaican
accent, which I'm not going to do.
I've decided no Jamaican accentson for me.
Was there a, was there a world, was there a timeline where you
did the Jamaican accent for? Us I was I was practicing a lot
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with my dialect coach and Patrick.
'S an actor. He's an actor, they advised.
Me to not, they said, you know, cool runnings.
Let's leave it there. I just, you know, Patrick,
you're an actor and actors got to act sometimes and it's tough
to know when, when not to do it.And I applaud you for for
thinking that through. I mean, they also were like
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Jamaican, Indian. We can't really tell.
It's a It's like you're. You're really not you're.
Not. That's the.
That's when you should. Definitely not when you can't
tell the difference between. Yes, the.
Accent. But you guys, I'm an actor and
so is Miss Cleo. Miss Cleo's real name or actual
name is Yori Harris. They call her Ree for short, and
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Ree is literally like doing thisone woman show.
Miss Cleo's a character that shehas created to a sold out
audience. Like sold out.
The whole run is sold out. The producers like this is great
that you're sold out, but you'rebehind on all the payments to
everybody who's been working on the production.
Like you got to pay people 1st. And she's like, Oh no, I was
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going to pay them after the run.And they're like, that's not
really how it works. And it seems a little shady.
The production like things aren't great.
She she got a grant to like do it as well.
She like lied and like got grantmoney to fund this.
And she basically decides that they're good.
They're like pressuring her to pay and she's like, I don't have
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the money. She takes her daughters and runs
off, leaves the production high and dry and takes the grant
money and moves to Florida. The thing I found interesting
about this Patrick, is that I when this started, I assumed
that this was something that shewas putting together after the
TV run came to an end. But she had already created this
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Miss Cleo character before the hotline stuff even didn't.
She was trying like, you know, workshopping it here for this
play that ultimately didn't cometo be.
But when it started, I was like,oh, this is one of those the the
here and then we're going to go back and see how she got there.
But no, this is just the the beginning.
Yeah. Yeah.
And like she went to college fortheater, didn't graduate.
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Like this is a person who had who had desires to be in the
entertainment business and possibly like wanted to be
probably wanted to be famous. And like with was like that was
like a goal for them, right? When she's in Fort Lauderdale,
she lays low. She's like not trying to be in
the spotlight. She's trying to duck out from
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all these people who are like, what the heck, You ran off with
our money, right? It's important here to note her
mother lives, I guess, in the area and they do have Jamaican
heritage. So that's kind of where she
pulled the inspiration for Miss Cleo from.
But she's like in need of money.Like the the grant money's
running out. She has two daughters to put
through school. She is a single mother.
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Apparently, this comes up later.Her husband was a homosexual.
And it said it said it said as much as a homosexual.
Is that how they say that? They do.
They sure do. Yeah, I, I loved it.
I was like, that's. They she slips that she's like
having an argument with her mom,like, I don't know, an hour into
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this movie and she just slips that line in there and I'm like,
what can we get more of that story like that past?
That's interesting. That's an interesting
development here that we don't get the true.
Story is, not only was she married to a homosexual, Miss
Clear is also a lesbian. Oh, wow.
In real life, she's has since died, but she was a lesbian and
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came out, like, in the early 2000s anyway.
So, yeah, so there's a little some little gay undertones here.
She had a roommate at the top ofthe movie, like whatever.
So yeah. But not explicitly laid out,
right. She starts searching in the The
Wanted ads. Remember The Wanted ads?
Did you did like, did we ever have to use those?
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I don't think so, David. I never did, definitely.
No, I didn't, but it was. I will say I take that back when
I was looking for a job in St. Louis, MO In 2007 I was using
every like every means necessaryand I did look at the one ads
employment section and actually delivered like tried to sell
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frozen steak out of a truck doorto door.
But you ate. You ate them all.
Because yeah, no, I wish. I know you love steak.
No, I got caught in a car, I gothot box.
It was a whole story I don't have time for.
It right now. But it was, it was quite a
story. But yeah, because of the because
of the one ad, they're classified the one ads.
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Yeah, there you go. Well, and it was just refreshing
to see like someone circling a piece of paper for a job.
I was like, there's something really satisfying about like the
circling of the job in red. Anyways, this is where she finds
the. It like it like it feels like
hope. You know, it feels like hope
like when you. Circle it and you're.
Like you, you see it for me. This is like this represents
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possibility. Yeah.
We don't have that now. You don't see it in movies that
much anymore. And it was actually like, I was
like, uh, this is really nice. Like, I don't know something
about it. Like I was like, wow, I really
like I'm I'm feeling nostalgic for paper and circling things.
Anyways, she hooks up with the psychic readers network.
It's a call center. The boss is like or a
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supervisor. She's like, this is not sexy
time calls. So shut that down.
Here's the script. Just read the script and do it
the. Script, yeah.
Do your thing, do you? Remember, do you remember the
the rise of 900 numbers? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Everywhere. Oh yeah, everywhere.
And the naughty ones, too. Like one time I'll tell a quick
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story about college. This guy, he was at a party in
our house. We would have parties all the
time. And this particular night,
someone locked themselves in my friend Sarah's room and was
calling 900 numbers on because we had a landline in college for
some reason and was calling all the sexy numbers and like
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writing the numbers on the wall,like calling the operator,
getting the numbers and then writing the numbers on the wall.
And then like just being on the phone.
And we were like, get out of ourhouse, please.
Like get open the unlock this door.
How much money did it cost you? I have no idea, but we did have
to call and get the charges removed.
Yeah, they were. Expensive though, right?
This was like it was before my time so I didn't really get to.
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I've never called, but yeah, it was, it was a substantial amount
of money, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
I've got no experience with them.
I do remember them being all therage though.
Like I remember them being such a big thing.
Right, I feel like that I missedmy calling.
I would have loved to be like a call girl.
So fun. Yeah, you have been great.
We. Or a psychic friend, because
they apparently hire everybody. That's true.
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This the job vetting for the psychic phone network or
whatever it's called isn't very they don't care no, if you claim
to actually be a psychic, as long as you can follow the
script, you're going to be goingto go we're going to follow the
script. We're going to take a break.
That's what it says right here. It says it right here in the
script. We'll be right back here on deck
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the. Hallmark deck the Hallmark.
You want to wait on someone? No.
And then it says, well, it says we'll do it together.
Welcome back. Yeah, Welcome back, everybody.
We're talking about the Miss Cleo movie Lifetime.
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Patrick is here. And Miss Cleo just got a job at
the call center. Right.
And she has to sign a contract at the beginning of her shift
that says I am certified as a psychic or something.
It it, it's some legal jargon. She doesn't really read it.
She's like whatever. And then she starts to really
just get into character, like she immediately goes into the
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Miss Cleo character because it'sit's more fun for her.
She's like, I'm having fun with this.
And she's has has the sayings weall know, like the tarot cards
don't lie and Miss Cleo doesn't lie either.
You know that type of thing you want to go give.
Me one more of those with a Jamaican accent.
Or no, no, we've been told you. Can't do it, I almost said.
I almost said, you know, call menow.
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Yeah, we. Said right from Philo TV.
Father.tv/DTH Patrick's runner did raise the roof on that one.
So I sure did. You have to.
You have. To call me now.
We see a caller who's like a recurring caller and who's a
singer, and they need encouragement about their
singing, and that singer turns out to be Beyoncé.
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That's right. Oh my gosh, is it what?
No, no, it doesn't. It doesn't.
But we don't know. We don't know that it's not.
We don't know it's not, you knowit's not, not Beyoncé.
She kind of remind me of Maya ifI'm honest.
Well, there you go. Could be Maya.
Yeah, Maya. Could be, could be Buster.
Anyway, so the call the call center owners, Steven and Peter,
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typical business owners, you know they've got mullets, but I
think both of them have mullets or.
This is 90s, right? Yeah, they've got the glasses
and they are like blown away by Miss Cleo's numbers.
They think it's the not only is she the highest earner ever,
they think that the office is the highest earning ever.
They don't understand that it's just one person's earnings.
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You know what I mean? That's right.
And Peter and Steven are these like classic, we like what you
would consider now to be like a tech bro, like somebody who sees
like this potential boom with these 900 numbers and like, it's
just kind of throwing things at the wall, seeing what's sticks.
So they had like the psychic line number, but they also had
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some other ones. But when they see Miss Cleo's
numbers off the chart, they are like blown away that one person
could do this. And they decide to go all in on
the psychic and specifically Miss Cleo.
So they meet with Miss Cleo. They're like pitching her on
like what they want and she's like, I don't get it.
And they're like, no, we want you to be like our brand
ambassador, like our spokesperson, like we'll pay you
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to shoot a commercial. We'll see how it goes.
We'll pay you like 15 K. It's a.
Big number in the 90s for somebody who's trying to make
it, yeah. And she's she's like, sure,
yeah, I'll do that. I'm an actor.
I have experience. I can be a spokesperson, which
is something I would say too. I would totally be like, yeah,
absolutely. Why not?
One of the things I hear constantly with when I hear
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podcasts with actors is almost all of them are like, I would
100% just say I could do something when I when I don't
know if I could do it or not. Right.
But there's like some, you know,moral ambiguity there too,
right? Very nicely done.
You're saying like I'm a psychicand people are calling because
they believe you can help them with stuff.
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Where's the line and their? Character.
You're playing a character on commercial.
Yeah, absolutely. And there is a disclaimer.
I'm a doctor that that aren't a doctor.
Right, like Doctor Oz and all that stuff, right.
So there there is a disclaimer on the commercials at the very
bottom that's like for entertainment purposes, blah,
blah, blah. But is that enough?
Are are people being duped? Is, is the quandary of the
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movie? Like is Miss Cleo with her shady
past liable for all this? And then the movie gets into
like all the nitty gritty of that, like from here, pretty.
Yes, yeah. I think it's a she's obviously
drawn to the 15,000. She's dropped.
Like she meets with these guys in this nice restaurant and
they're gonna buy her a steak and they get her whiskey.
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And she's like, this is like thelife that this is it.
This is like the life that she always thought that she would
have. Classic Rising, like a really
classic story you've seen writ large like in like a Scorsese.
And like the the. Only thing missing is selling
your soul to the devil, signing the contract in blood.
You know that whole? Thing well, that all happens, I
think, behind the camera, but this like is very she doesn't
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even want to really. She doesn't wait to hear the
specifics of what they want. It's like, oh, you're getting me
a rib eye and a a nice glass of whiskey.
This is the life like if is it more of this I'm in is basically
how it how it goes down. And, and she blows up like the
the commercials are extremely successful.
She gets on the talk show circuit and we get a Jenny Jones
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actress here. I just want to shout out Jenny
Jones because whoever the actor was had the voice down to a tee.
I used to watch Jenny every day.Jerry who?
Jenny Jones. Yeah.
But I mean, what about what about our, I believe Ricki Lake
from South Carolina? Ricki Lake, also one that I used
to watch all the time, would be like Ricki, Ricki, Ricki.
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I don't know Jenny Jones. I've I've obviously know of
Jerry. Jerry.
Kind of took over that whole market.
But like, yeah, Jenny Jones, Ricky.
All the same type of shows like,just like having people like
just Kerry. Trash.
OK, Kerry. Trash.
Yeah, but but you know, I mean, it's like reality TV of that
era. It basically or YouTube or
TikTok of that era, Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
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So she's quite famous and she gets hounded on the street by
paparazzi. The call center is like blowing
up. Everybody wants to talk to Miss
Cleo. And like, her family is starting
to be like, this is like, kind of messed up.
Like, we're getting made fun of at school.
And the moms like people are people are coming to my door and
like asking me for refunds because their kids, like call
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them, didn't realize it cost money.
You know, like they think Miss Cleo, Miss Cleo is running the
business. Yes, but at the end of the day,
Miss Cleo is just like, listen, I'm able to buy this nice house.
My kids can have a nice house tolive in and I'm just She just
continues to believe and I. I like the way that the rage
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Lady of Rage is playing Miss Cleo the.
Rage as we call. Her made me believe that Miss
Cleo truly did just think of it as a performance.
Like it, like this movie. At no time was I cheering
against Miss Cleveland. It doesn't blink, it doesn't
ever wink and say no, she was inon it.
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Yeah, it like it. It just makes like, she's a
really likable character and youjust kind of whenever she's just
like, it's just a character. I'm, I'm just playing a
character. You're like, OK, She really
believed it. Well, and she's looking out for
herself, too. She's like, I'm a business woman
and I'm trying to like, you know, make a success out of
this. I want to have more creative
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freedom with the character. I want to do books.
I want to write a Broadway show like I want to.
This is really hitting with the public.
I want to take this Miss Cleo character and move her, like, to
her own things, right? And that really messes up the
businessmen. They're like, Oh no, we own you
and we are not letting you gonnabe get out of this contract.
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They write a new contract to like keep the all the Miss Cleo
properties under them because they're making 25,000,000 a
month, 25,000,000 a month. With just the with just the 900
number. And how much are they paying
her? They're, I mean, they're paying
her pennies. Yeah, they don't.
I don't feel like that was my biggest question is like, how
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much did she actually make off of this?
Right. Because it doesn't like aside
from the house that she gets, which is, you know, a nice
house, but it's not like a mansion.
It's not like she's living a crazy lifestyle with like a
she's not, we never see her drive a crazy car or anything
like that. That you would assume somebody
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that's Miss Cleo and the company's making 25,000,000, you
would assume is living living the high life.
I guess my yes, but at no point does the disclaimer go away or
the accent dropped right? No like so.
I, I I know this is a movie we're talking about, not real
life, but I don't know how she gets in trouble then.
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OK, well, we're getting there because the the FTC, which I
don't, I don't know what the FTCis.
I know what the FCC is, right? What's the FTC?
Federal Trade Commission, Yeah. OK cool.
I was like FCC the but FTC, OK, so they are like gonna do a
class action lawsuit for people who called in who were
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misrepresented and you know, we're calling like 9 states are
basically like Miss Cleo is committing fraud.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, this is how I understood it.
Miss Cleo would say call now foryour free reading and on the
screen there would be an 800 number.
You would call that 800 number, which is a free number, and it
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would then tell you to like all the lines are busy, call this
900 number. That 900 number would cost money
and the. Bait and switch that happens
with every Instagram ad ever? Sure, right.
Yes, but people were doing this and not fully realizing because
Miss Cleo was saying call for your free reading.
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They weren't realizing that whenthey then call that new number,
it is then going to charge them.That was my understanding of the
basic, yeah, fraud that took place.
And Even so, is Miss Cleo culpable for that, or is it the
owners of the business, you know?
Yes, exactly. But they they want to take Miss
Cleo down because she representsthe business and it would be a
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better story. She's the face of the business,
yeah. Yeah, they're like, we want to
go for her. This is how it's going to go.
And I can understand that like looking in, Miss Cleo is the
only person you see. So you would assume going into
this, I assumed that Miss Miss Cleo was the Empire.
And yeah, you know, you don't realize watching the the TV and
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calling the number that how little she actually has to do
with the the business itself. Like anytime she tries to meet
with the two businessmen, after a certain point, they stopped
talking to her like don't come in the office.
So it was a very like she doesn't have anything to do with
the company. It's how it was shown to us.
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Right. And they're like, we're A-Team,
we'll stick together, like don't, don't talk bad about us.
And like, let's just get throughthis lawsuit, of course.
But you know, then when it's time for Miss Cleo's portion of
the lawsuit, they leave her highand dry.
Yeah, she gets to talk to herself in a dream, which is
fine. So we have like the Miss Cleo,
like in the call center and she said.
(33:02):
Tiny Tina or is it Miss Cleo? Center right right.
Right. Exactly.
So she miss Cleo in the dream islike call your lawyer.
Oh God, I thought I would do an accent.
Oh. This Miss Cleo is from Brooklyn.
Call your lawyer. Call your lawyer.
Call your lawyer. And the lawyer is like, hey, we
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they want to see your birth certificate to prove you're from
Jamaica. You have to like basically prove
that you are Miss Cleo and you're a certified psychic.
But to get like through this lawsuit.
Do you miss Cleo that had here? This is.
Not here, she really did. You know, I just, I just had a
dream, actually, Patrick. Oh, really?
I had a dream. And.
And then in the dream, Miss Cleotold me that it's time to take a
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break. Wow.
Maybe. She is a real psychic.
I don't know. And call your lawyer.
I'm gonna we're gonna take a break.
We're gonna call our lawyers andwe'll be right back here on
deck. Don.
Hello, everybody. Welcome back.
We're talking to Miss Cleo and Stuff's.
(34:09):
Stuff's about to hit the fan, Patrick.
Oh yeah, $44 million and stuff is what they want to get from
Miss Cleo. I know.
And I'm like, does she even havethat?
But what? Year is this happening in?
This is like mid 90s, late 90s. I mean, it's it's been a good
run. It's been a good run for her.
(34:31):
She is deposed, and in the deposition she pleads the 5th
for like everything. Yeah, She gets a lawyer on her
own that is not given to her. Yeah, I don't know.
I it seemed like he was doing the best he could.
He was not affiliated with the company.
She got a lawyer herself. And so he's doing the best he
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can to try to protect his clients, who is being told by
the company to whatever she saysprotect the company.
So it's in a weird tight, tight rope walk.
Well, and she tells them like she tells them off in like a
scene, Steven and Peter. And she's like, I'm going to go
to the press. I'm going to be the star witness
(35:14):
against you guys in the in your case.
So you better I'm, I'm having a psychic prediction right now
that it's not really going to gowell for you.
And they're, they're like, Oh, no, they decide to settle with
the FTC for a $500 million settlement.
Molly. So like the people that are like
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that called at throughout the the history of Miss Cleo were
like getting checks in the mail for like, you know, This is why.
Totally. It's like when Facebook did the
the face recognition without telling people and then everyone
got money for that. I think we do know, like, the
most, that was the most unrealistic thing about this
(35:58):
movie was these people getting these checks in a timely manner.
Yeah. Like, that was like, it
happened. And then you see people opening
their checks and be like, yeah, it's amazing.
Those people are old. They have grandkids now that
like by the time they finally get the settlement money, good.
Good luck. It's true and it is a ground
breaking case because it does make those deceptive claims like
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not tolerated on infomercials and they have to really spell
out everything now from from here on out.
I got to be honest. I'm more fascinated by this than
any episode of Deck Light Time in Court ever.
I'm not saying it's the best movie, but from a story
standpoint, this is very, very interesting.
Ohh yeah this could easily be one of your history Herstory
(36:41):
episodes. Course.
That's what it's called. Yeah, history.
Herstory. That's.
That was the name we almost wentwith.
History. Herstory.
Right, right. History.
History, History. So the.
Public, of course, still makes fun of Miss Cleo.
And she tells her kids she's, like, laugh with them.
It's hilarious. I was a spokesperson using a
(37:01):
Jamaican accent and doing all this crazy stuff.
And that's funny, right? Like, we need to just, like,
move on, have a tough skin. And she, like, looks like,
knowingly at the camera at the end, like, leaves it up to the
viewer to decide, like, how muchshe was involved in the scheme.
And that's pretty much the movie, yeah.
(37:22):
There you have it. Yeah.
I mean, I think the big like questions that I had after it
was like, how like she wasn't allowed to do anymore Miss Cleo
stuff even as just like a spokesperson, like right, Like
do commercials as Miss Cleo because she doesn't own that
character anymore. So how like, how did she?
(37:43):
I think she did do a parody of it on like fuse, like a fuse
network or something like that. Like one of those cable networks
they like. Got her like way after the fact.
How interesting. Do but how did she like did she
get money for at the end of this?
Like would did she get any money?
How much money did she have to live off of from the initial run
(38:05):
of Miss Cleo? I think she just like made
public appearances and just did like stayed out of like the the
like, you know, limelight as faras TV and movies, but you know,
just kind of lit worked off the people being interested in her
story And she she died like early, like early 2000s or or
no, not early. 2018. 20/16/20. Yeah, not early 2000s from.
(38:28):
Cancer. OK, rest in.
Peace. Yeah, but she was young.
She was only 53 when she died, so wow.
Wow. Fascinating.
I know so now on the show, we either pour it up, which is like
we would recommend or put a corkin it, which means we would not
recommend and Dan, you used yourimagination.
You were interested in the story.
What did you think about I gotta?
(38:49):
Pour it up. There's no way around it.
I think that there's so much interesting here.
I think that it's very it's a groundbreaking case.
I feels like at the very least, I need to go watch the
documentary, which you guys saidwas on a different network and I
need to like I, I this seems like a really interesting story.
So I, I'm, and you guys said that she did a great lady of the
(39:09):
rage, Miss Miss Rage did a greatjob.
I, I don't like, what am I to complain about here?
This seems like a home run. I'm pouring it up.
Let me give you let me tell you one more thing and just see if
it changes your mind at all. There throughout this movie.
And I don't for the life of me know why this happened, but they
(39:30):
there was a clear profanity usedin this movie that they silenced
and it was very weird when it would happen.
And I don't know why they like maybe this movie was made and
Lifetime said we want it and they couldn't cut it to make it
(39:50):
clean. So they just.
Here's the thing guys, Tim Reed known cursor known bad word
Sayer yes, Tim Tim Reed on sister sister was dropping F
bombs every other sentence and they had to bleed him out so
much on sister. Sister Tia and Tamara were like
so young. They they were like, Oh my gosh,
(40:11):
we didn't know all these someone.
'S. Existed.
That's right, Right. And and so when he went in to
direct this movie, he said, you take me or leave me.
They did both. Actually, but they didn't.
Take me or bleep me. They or bleep me is what they
did. Both actually.
They took him and they bleeped him.
But they don't, they don't like do the beeps out.
It's just silence, which is silence.
(40:31):
It's more jarring and it draws more attention to it.
And I understand there's only somuch like you can't say certain
things on Oh yeah, on TV like itis what it is, but it was.
Confident now in my port up, butI'm gonna port up still.
Yeah, it doesn't happen a ton, but it happens in these really
powerful moments. Dramatic moments where?
She's like calling them out on their BS and then like it's just
(40:52):
silent for a second. Oh.
Right that. Stinks.
So that was a tough a tough partof the movie.
You're right. Keep the swear words in, please.
Yeah. I would released on the
uncensored version release the. Cleo cut.
Release the Cleo cut That's right, I'm pouring this movie
up. I loved it.
I found the whole story to be truly fascinating.
(41:15):
I didn't know that there was a documentary, so I'm going to
watch that now because I just I think the thing that intrigues
me the most is I like. She definitely played it to
where you were sympathetic with her.
She definitely felt like she wasplaying a character and how the
human, like the brain is so capable of tricking itself into
(41:39):
ignoring all of the red flags. Like this company's shady.
Because I'm getting to, I'm getting to act and I'm finally
getting this attention that I think I deserve.
And so you can absolutely convince yourself that
everything is on the up and up, even though in your heart of
hearts you know it's not. And I and I thought that the
Lady of Rage played that perfectly, really impressed by
(42:03):
her performance and I thought itwas great.
Really, really really liked it. Awesome.
Yeah, I'm pouring it up as well.I agree.
Lady of Rage was incredible. I'm glad she's getting her
moment in the sun to kind of shine in this movie and, you
know, maybe do other things. Emmys don't really consider TV
movies in the TV movie category,which is annoying, but I feel
(42:26):
like it would be a good a good submission at least like submit,
submit her for this Lifetime. And yeah, as far as the story
goes, they did air the Lifetime aired the HBO doc after this.
So they got the rights to air it.
Cool. So that was nice.
So for anybody who was curious, they could watch it right after
the movie. I saw it two years ago and this
(42:50):
movie did a good job adopting that.
I think like, yeah, the script, the script was good, director
was good like production was, was good on this so.
Triple poured up. Gosh, a triple poured up, man.
So that that's so the documentary.
You can watch it on Philo which is great.
You watch it on Philo are. You watching this right now?
That's great. I love that.
(43:10):
That's great. Well, we did everybody, a triple
pour up for Miss Cleo and I think that's all that you can
hope for. That's all you in this in this
day, in this economy, a triple pour up is impressive.
Patrick, thank you for joining us once again.
It has been too long and let's do it again sometime, yeah?
We will. We will.
(43:30):
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