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June 18, 2025 9 mins

In this episode, Casey and Mike discuss the profound insights shared by Dr. Alicia Britt Chole on leadership, faith, and personal growth. They explore the heavy burdens leaders carry, the complexities of faith beyond simple equations, and the importance of navigating disillusionment. The conversation emphasizes the dangers of distance in relationships, particularly with God, and encourages listeners to embrace the 'night' as a normal part of their journey. The episode concludes with a preview of future guests and episodes.

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