612: 25 Years of LinuxFest Northwest

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(00:11):
Hello friends and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
My name is Wes.
And my name is Brent.
Hello Brentley. Hello Wes. Well today on the show we are live at LinuxFest Northwest.
We'll tell you about our experiences, we'll share some stories,
we'll talk to some guests, we'll do some trivia, and a lot more.
But before we go any further, I want to say hello to our live in-person lug.

(00:35):
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I think I want to start the show right off the top by saying thank Thank you,
everybody, who helped us get these headsets.
We've been loving them. They worked out really great. Big upgrade. Big upgrade.
And it's so nice for us to have room. I can reach across and hit the boys now,

(02:08):
and I don't have to worry about the microphone stand in the way,
which was super annoying.
You know, I'm excited. We got to drive up here, right, because it's kind of our local fest.
But I'm excited for more on the road because more so than anything else,
those microphone stands is always what gets me flagged by the TSA.
So I think the headsets will be a little smoother.
That is true. I always wonder why these are in our bag. So yesterday we did

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the live event which we will have linked in the show notes and it's also at
extras show if you just want to catch the highlights from day one of Linux Fest Northwest.
We did that from Lady Joops worked awesome running off solar.
We had people swing by and I think maybe we start there is.
yesterday it felt really busy raise your hands did
yesterday feel busy to you yay nay yeah pretty busy yeah i'm

(02:52):
pretty everyone's raising their hand it looks like i was surprised
and i think you know obviously in part the good weather helps people i
mean it's been beautiful and it's just right it's not too hot it's not
too cold but when we finished our live stream yesterday i i step out the door
of the rv and the grass is just full of people because we're next to like a
nice kind of grassy area and everybody's out there eating cookies and sandwiches

(03:13):
and emma from system 76 and my wife Adia went out and got over 100 sandwiches
from a local Bellingham sandwich shop,
brought them back, and then got a bunch of cookies and beverages and stuff like that.
And it was really low-key and easy, maybe not quite as fancy as a barbecue,
way less work for us, which was really nice.
And then I just got to enjoy a sandwich after the show, which was a nice twist.

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And, you know, for us, the first day, we didn't really make it beyond just the socialization stuff.
Hardly, yeah. I mean, Brent, we just sent Brent in to try to even get into some
of the talks, and he could hardly get in.
I didn't really even make it in I got it to like
the central courtyard And got stopped by a bunch of our lovely listeners
So thank you for stopping me And we got some on-site interviews And then I had

(03:57):
to use Jeff to like Plow through people to get me into Carl's talk About System
76's cosmic release And it was so packed That we only had like the two feet
past the door And I was like there's no way.
Next year we should be back in the bigger space So that will be We'll have the new building again.
And this is the 25th year. So it's also kind of a special year.

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It's the 25th year of LinuxFest. And they tried to acknowledge some of the original
creators of LinuxFest last night at the end of the fest. And they had special
tie-dye uniforms on for all the original creators walking around. That was really cool.
And I don't know if any of you caught this, but when Hadiyah,
my wife, and Emma from System76 went out to get sandwiches yesterday,

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They also randomly picked up a birthday cake.
It wasn't anybody's birthday, but they thought, you know, an event this big.
You never know.
It's probably going to be somebody's birthday.
Statistically. Yeah, we talk about math a lot.
We talk about math all the time. Yeah, the birthday paradox.
And that's a pre-show reference. So they bought this birthday cake,
and then they went around, and I think they found somebody. It was their 21st birthday, right? Yeah.

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And they were just floored that somebody had a birthday cake for them.
Like, what? Really? Made their day.
They're here at Linux Fest, and somebody says, happy birthday.
Here's a birthday cake. What? So that was pretty neat.
And sort of, I think this year's felt kind of the most fun in a way.
It feels, I think, the closest to sort of the pre-COVID energy.

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You know, like the fest you remember before all of the trials and tribulations
and building and timing changes and all the hard work and years of effort now
to get to where we are today.
It finally feels a little bit like it did when I first showed up in like, I don't know, 2010.
Yeah, I agree. What did you think about not having a booth this year?
That was a bit different. I think, well, we didn't get inside as much.

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So that was the downside.
But the plus side is, I think it did give us, maybe it didn't show in how long
it took us to get going today, but it did give us a little more time and space
to work out some of the kinks in our setup.
Yeah, and not having, so one of the things when you're in a classroom,
we're here for our scheduled set of time.
So we have to get in after the last person set up, and then we have to get out

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before the next person. Thankfully, the next person is you.
That's true.
I'll be gracious. We're going to make that guy wait a little bit.
But it's that is trickier.
Whereas when when you're in the RV you can just set up in the morning You're
set up all day long, and that's super nice But what the downside was is we didn't
quite make it in as much so we'll have to make up for some of that today but
yeah, I've really enjoyed it and I,

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I'm ready for it to be over two at the same time. We stayed out late the last
couple of nights, so I'm a little worn down.
Yeah, an excellent post-fest social last night, I think.
Yes, we did. But two nights in a row, I stayed out a little later than I should have.
That means if in the next clip, if I don't seem like I'm on my game,
it's totally because I was out partying, we had a listener who's also a host

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of his own podcast. He'll do his introduction in just a moment.
But he's been going around, and he's been doing Linux trivia and scoring people.
And the guy does it all in his head. He does the whole scoring and everything
in his head as he's going around. And he does the fact checking and the checking.
It's pretty fun. And so we had him stop by and quiz Wes and I,
because Brent, you already took the test once, crushed it.

(07:16):
Thank you.
Beat everybody until other people played the game.
That's why you go first.
Yeah, that's right.
You get the first high score.
So let's see how Wes and I do on our live Linux trivia at LinuxFest Northwest.
Hey, I'm James. I'm here with my show, the Linux Prepper podcast.
I created a trivia challenge yesterday that almost a ton of people did as singles and as doubles.

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So I thought, Chris and Wes, you'd do it today and potentially take the leaderboard.
Or really embarrass ourselves.
Brent did it yesterday. So the benchmark is to do better than Brent.
But I'm going up against some serious heavyweights, aren't we?
I hope you both can do better than just me.
Otherwise, we have a real problem on this podcast. Yeah. Okay.
If you're including the singles and the doubles, then you're further down the list. Oh.

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You know, I was tied for second when I finished, but then that was early in
the day, and a bunch of people came and beat the pans off me. Yes.
And we only just switched to last year, right? No.
All right. We're ready. We're ready. All right. So this is the Do You Know Linux
challenge from yesterday. If you want to do the one from today,
you can come by the booth and do it, because anyone in the room can do it.
It's an open thing. So that's why I'm not going to say that one on the air. Homework.

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All right. What are the rules? The rules, yes. So the rules are,
I'll give you questions. You can say pass at any time. We will move on.
Otherwise, just answer to the best of your ability. And some of the questions
are open questions, which means you can just rattle off answers.
And usually around 10 seconds, people kind of run out of steam.
And if that's the case, I'll give you another question. Okay.

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And at the end of 60 seconds, that's the score you get. So every answer is a
point. Okay. All right. Yeah? Okay. Don't mess it up, boys. Okay, I'm ready.
Do you mind doing the little timing? Oh, I could do the timing.
This is about macOS, right? Yeah, macOS.
Get your HFS ready. Let me know when you want me to start. I'll count down.
Here we go. You ready, boys? Everybody's ready? Ready.
Three, two, one, start. Who created the Linux kernel?

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Linus Torvalds. Ubuntu is based on? Debian. NixOS is considered a what distribution? Immutable.
The recursive acronym GNU means what? GNU is not Linux. Unix.
How many projects can you name that are maintained by Red Hat?
OpenShift. Podman. Project Stellaris. Podman.
What else? Fedora, of course. Sure. RHEL, of course. CentOS.

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CentOS would be another one, of course.
Did we say OpenShift? I don't know if we said OpenShift. Yes, we did.
Pipewire, maybe? Pipewire is another one. FWAPD, for that matter,
as well, would be another one.
FWAPD and all of the services around that as well. A bunch of automotive stuff,
I'm not quite clear. Automotive Linux.
Do you want to move on? Automotive Linux? No, I don't think I'm done yet.

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The RHEL update server is another project that they maintain,
the RHEL satellite server.
Okay, now I think I'm done. Five seconds. UUtils will replace what?
U-Utils? Zero. Core Utils? That's it. U-Utils replaces Core Utils? Yeah.
Is that the whole trivia? No. Oh, okay, okay. You want to do another minute?

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Well, yeah, man. Wait, what was their score in this minute? Because that's the
official score. We'll have to go back and check.
Oh, okay. There's math to do. I thought there was more. Okay.
All right. I'm good to go. All right. Let's do another minute to finish the questions off.
All right. This is the one where people were just... No wonder Carl did great.
He's got an index of every Red Hat project in his head. Okay,
here we go. Three, two, one, go. How many text editors can you name?

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Vi, Vim, Zed. Neo Vim. Nano. Ed. Ed, of course. Micro. Emacs.
Yep. G-Edit. K-S Code. K-Write. V-S Codeium. V-S Codeium. Did you already say
Zed? Mm-hmm. I said Zed. Yeah.
You got any others? I do, but I'm totally blanking now. Did we say Micro?
There's several. Yeah, we did. There's several REST ones. What's the?

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Cocoon? Sure. You know, there's several REST-based ones. Cocoon, yep.
K-Write? I said K-Write. Notepad++, does that count? You run under one?
Oh, well, that's a whole other world, isn't it? Cat?
Does Bash count? Echo? Yeah, right.

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Oh, come on, Wes. Should we move on? We're 15 seconds. Okay,
move on. Okay, AI used to be referred to by what other two-letter acronym?
ML? Yeah. Name the current Debian stable.
Say what? Name the current Debian stable. Ooh, stable. Is that Buster?
Bookworm? No. Bookworm. Yes. How many Debian derivatives can you name?

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Is Zorin OS considered a Debian derivative? I don't know. Yeah.
L-M-D-E, Ubuntu, like Smint and Java. Obviously, yeah, yeah.
But I was trying to go out on the edge. Zorin OS I think might be, but I'm not sure.
Yeah. MX Linux? Yep, MX Linux.
Are we out of time? Yeah, but now we're just listing Debian stuff.
What's wrong with that? That's half the show anyway. Yeah, okay.

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How'd we do? I lost track on the first one when you were doing it,
so you'll have to go back and listen to the clip to see how many you named off,
because you were mostly doing the Red Hat projects. Yeah, okay.
So we'll send James an unaltered... Yeah, totally unaltered.
Yeah, you'll have to go unaltered, because as you can imagine,
those guys were going absolutely ham in that section. Yeah, I bet.

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If you would have asked them how many projects besides Ubuntu Canonical maintains,
I don't think they would have done so well.
Maybe next year we get a question.
Name Linux Podcast. Yeah, there you go. I think we do all right with that. Yeah.
I'm a little disappointed in our text editor performance.
I am too.
I thought we could have done better there. We didn't even mention the text editor
we're using right now to do the show, which seems pretty stupid.

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It's right in front of our faces.
Yeah, what is that again?
Hdocs, of course. We got Hdocs. Hedge Docs. There's a lot more we probably could have named.
Maybe folks can boost in.
Yeah.
Contribute to our shame.
I feel like there is a really obvious one that was missing. I almost didn't
get Emacs in there, which would have been super embarrassing.
You both didn't mention VS Code.
I did, I did.
And Codium.
Oh, good.

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And Codium, yeah. And I did, I went, I feel like it's a little bit on the edge, but I went ViVim.
I'm counting those as separate. They're separate.
You know what? I did the same thing.
That's technically accurate. That's technically accurate. So yeah.
You just have a whole class of editors that you can't quit.

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That's true. I just get stuck. I just power off the machine.
So let us know what we missed.
I can't even say the micro Emacs we tried that Linus has been using.
Oh, we just tried that. You see, I don't test well.
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Now, we had a chance to chat with a few folks. And whenever we're here live,
we like to try to get an opportunity to talk with people live.
And we have somebody join us right now. Tell me your name and remind me what
we were going to talk about.
Yeah. Well, my name's Eric.
Hey, Eric. Nice to see you.
Yeah, thanks. Good to see you guys. So this is my first Linux Fest to really

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connecting with kind of anyone in this wider community.
before, I guess about a year ago, I kind of started listening to your show and
heard about this, but I couldn't make it, you know.
But before that, I just felt like I was living in a bubble by myself.
You know, I did not have anyone to talk to. I don't work in a tech job,
you know, and no one wants to talk about this.

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So, you know, the whole year I've been waiting, like, okay, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna be here.
And, you know, I saw a couple amazing talks, like stuff using a identity where
reverse proxy, you know, I want to try that.
And there was just a really cool talk about cyborg security,
which was like out of left field, but so I'm a physician,

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and I kind of was like, well, this is kind of an off-topic sort of thing,
but we got deep in the weeds about, like, medical device security,
something that I'm really passionate about, but once again, never found anyone that cares.
And, you know, I wound up chasing this person down, and we're chatting for like
a half an hour and just some amazing, amazing conversations,

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just connecting with people.
There's someone interested in all this stuff and I'm getting so many new ideas.
I just feel like all of a sudden, it's like mind blown, just kind of like euphoric
feeling from being able to talk like this.
You know, that's a...
Super similar experience to the experience I had when I first came to LinuxFest here.

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The first one I came to was, oh gosh, 2018, I think.
And it was for the exact same reason. Like I loved these topics,
open source Linux, all this stuff.
Nobody else in my life cared. And you boys convinced me to come all the way
over here. I lived like on the other side of the continent. So thank you for doing that.

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And it was the exact same feeling like, oh, you come here and all of a sudden
you can have very easy conversations with people who like the same stuff you do like what a concept,
and it's so rewarding so for anyone who has
never been to a conference like this is like we didn't make it to the talks
because of exactly what you just said is like all these great conversations
that you have just in the hallway track as they call it right and that is priceless

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and it keeps us going we get like a boost of energy every time we do these so
uh and that's true for everybody here so like.
Literally every single person I would just bump into like walk next to or something
would you know it's like hello and then just immediately we're talking about
some super interesting thing just not every single person that's here it's like

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there's there's something to talk about.
You know what the biggest challenge is like tomorrow when you go home remembering
it all or all the projects you wanted to try or the names of like suggestions
that you got. So if you figure out that one, you let us know.
All right, will do.
Thank you, Eric. It's good to chat with you. Thank you for joining us.
All right. We have a come on up. Come on down.

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We need some come on down music. We do. All right, come on down.
Yeah, we do. What's going on, soundboard guy?
Oh, I might have something. I'll look for the future, okay?
Well, we have another guest here.
Hello.
Can you introduce yourself?
I'm Sean, also known as Senior Smile in all the online places.

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And I have a call for participation.
So last year was the first NixCon USA.
And I met a surprisingly large amount of people from the Pacific Northwest,
even in the Seattle area.
Like, you know, like throwing distance almost.
So Planet Nix happened again this year. and I saw some of those same people and we got talking.

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We need to keep this going throughout the year. How do we do that?
We need a user group, right?
So I met a few of those same people yesterday. Like, all right,
I need to start getting names.
But I need more than six people to have a user group.
I mean, I guess maybe not. We could start with just six people, why not? But...

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You want to put a call-out, so anybody's interested in joining.
Yeah, this is a call-out for participation. So I've done many meetups in the past.
I helped start the Ansel meetup and became the sole meetup organizer for that back in 2015.
I've done several language meetups because linguistics was actually my major

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in school, not computer science.
And so, yeah, there is an official call out on the NixOS forums, discourse.nixos.org.
I'll send you guys a link to put in the show notes.
Anybody who's interested, go there and just respond.

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More details will come based on number of people we get.
If we get 40 people, that's going to dictate the venue that we need to locate.
If we only get 10, that's a little easier venue to find.
But I suspect there is a lot of us lurking in the Seattle area and I'm excited to have,

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Monthly meetings about all things next OS because I'm just crazy about it.
Can I ask you? Do you have any ideas about You know the very first one do you
have any ideas of what you want to touch on in the world of next OS?
I already have a talk so,
At Planet next this year which happened in was that late April Co-located with

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scale I I got talking to a couple people about all things security.
And there was one guy that's been working on SE Linux.
It was sort of abandoned in 2019. And he's just been going hardcore into it.
And sorry, I forget your name.

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And I also learned that the hardened.nix built-in module that you can import
is essentially abandoned. It has all sorts of issues, and it's going to be deprecated
in the near future if my information is correct.
So I've been working on a module that's kind of firstly going for all of the NIST qualifications.

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I'm going to actually also have a test to then test it separately from the NICS configuration itself.
But it's going to have so much more than that.
Don't forget to run your test, right?
Yeah, don't forget to run the test. And verify that the test results actually make sense.
Right, right. Okay, so Sean, so you're looking for folks in kind of the West

(22:23):
Coast Pacific Northwest corridor that want to join a Nix lug that would also
maybe want to organize around NixCon. Am I following you?
Yeah.
And then there's a discourse post people should find. We're going to link.
Okay, I just want to make sure we get that out there so it's clear.
If you're in this area, and that kind of sounds like something you'd be interested in doing.
Yeah, right. So you're not just looking for long-time Nix folks who can do presentations.

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You're also looking for Nix Curious. Anyone?
Yeah, definitely Nix Curious. Or even if this is somehow the first time you're
hearing about all this, you're interested in open source and this is your first
time listening to this podcast, there's this thing called Nix. It's amazing.
It's part of the ecosystem.

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We should check it out. That'd be a good idea.
I hear it's especially good for recovering Ansible users. Is that what you said, John?
Nice. I do have another talk. I'm not quite ready to release the actual project.
I use Ansible to control a fleet of 50 NixOS servers.

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I found it better than Colmena and all the other solutions.
So it's almost ready, but that'll be a future talk.
A story for another time, perhaps.
My security stuff is much further along.
Very good. All right. Well, thank you for putting the call out there. We'll put a link to that.
Now, there's several good incentives already for me to go to this meetup.
So I'll see you there, Sean. Thank you for putting it together.

(23:48):
Yeah. Appreciate it.
Well, joining us again is a friendly face. Jose, you're here with us again this
year. It was a nice surprise.
Yes, we sat back. I'm taking over the Jar Jar personality now,
Tyson. So we sat back here in the Pacific Northwest.
Can you remind everyone where you're coming from?

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Yes, we're coming all the way from Puerto Rico. So the nice Caribbean, hot, sun, the beach.
You were just looking for cold weather to go to, right? Is that it?
Well, the weather this year has been incredible. It's been very sunny, blue skies.
Wherever you go, you heal little birds, the flowers, everything.

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So it's been incredible comparing to last year where we were ordering pizzas
with pouring rain on top of us and trying to cover the hot dogs.
Still a good time.
Yeah, yeah.
Why come to LinuxFest Northwest? I would imagine there are vents a little closer to you.
You think, right? um well in
puerto rico i to my to the best of my knowledge we

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don't we don't have any events like this but at least
for me this is the this is
the one that i've always wanted to come my first time was last year because
uh letting some plug and the jupiter broadcasting that's how i started getting
into the the whole software development business and every time i was just listening
one day i'll make it there one day i'll make it there and then in 2021 i made

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it to the Denver meetup and it was that.
Was incredible I mean I don't think any of us can ever forget that all the time.
Yeah yeah that was a really good one and then I said uh and last year I was,
talking over with the people I work with and my company I was like you know
what let's take a trip up there and we're all going there and we liked it we
loved it so much it was very fun even my wife who uh she knows a lot about tech

(25:36):
because obviously me and uh but even she left I was like, oh,
it was really nice seeing all these people just come together and volunteer
and just out of their will just putting this all together and made us really, really happy.
And this year we're back, I brought my best friend over, and we've really been enjoying it.
And so, yeah, it's been very, very nice to come back here.

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Amazing. And this year you did something a little different. You gave a talk, right?
Yes, I did. Yes, I did. I remember last year on this very same podcast,
I said, well, and this project will be ready in two months.
Well, I didn't say which two months.
So it sounds like the project you promised you were working on last year when

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we interviewed you here at LinuxFest Northwest, you have continued to work on.
However, maybe it was a bit of a bigger adventure than you thought initially.
It was much more of a bigger adventure than I thought, if you want to put it like that.
Can you give us a sense of what it is and what you're working on and where it's at?
Yes. In defense of myself, when I got back home, work just swamped me.

(26:39):
so i was like nah i'm not gonna be ready for
july i'm gonna take a bit more and so
the project i'm working on is uh a media
center uh with the back end written go
with postgres and uh has a
web client and tv clients friend with react and
react native and um it's been a passion project

(27:00):
of mine i grew up with my dad he used to love movies so
we used to have a big rack of movies with like a binder with
all the movies categorized and everything and it was
so nice and i always wanted to do that and eventually i ended
up like most of us like trying to self-host with
jellyfin and and plex and i love jellyfin
it's a really nice project we have a very nice

(27:20):
server set up at home but first off i wanted
to build my own because of a passion project plus uh
i'm a blind person so accessibility was super important
for me and some of the features that are right now on the market like like accessibility
support for a lot of stuff to give you an example if you go into the jellyfin
library where your movies are you start like hovering over with the screen reader

(27:41):
what you hear is unlabeled unlabeled unlabeled and i don't know about you but
i don't have that movie in my library so um i.
Hear it's coming out in uh in the next year so yeah.
Why can't the studios make anything original.
Anymore.
Yeah so
that was my my target um and i
also wanted to take out i wanted to work on some features this

(28:03):
specifically i want this one's a bit more like uh like
niche but like for example i own a lot of blu-rays and some of them are in like
dts hd format and if you play on plex or jellyfin on certain televisions and
that kind of stuff they'll just uh put it down to like uh mix it down to like
a stereo pcm2 channels or something like that and it's very hard for me to say, no, no, no, no, no,

(28:26):
use AAC 5.1 or something like that, that it's a bit more.
And so I wanted to do that, and...
And so, yeah, I learned a very hard lesson that's very difficult to do.
Can I ask you why start your own project instead of contributing to,

(28:47):
say, Jellyfin, since you seem to like it for the most part?
Yes, that was a thing I did in my talk yesterday. The first one is because,
first off, it's a passion project of mine, so I really want to do it.
Like I said, there are certain features that I really want.
one of them is um you might
have heard i live in puerto rico and we might

(29:08):
be having some technical difficulties with our power grid
and so we lose power quite a bit and
so having something that's super power efficient for me that
only runs the necessary things that i want is super important for
when power goes out and we're on battery power um and
i want to make the jet the neighbors jealous and say
i got power and i got tv and you know god and so

(29:31):
i that's very important for me and um the
truth is also i don't like .net i'm sorry people
it's a preference yeah and and
like i said in my talk jellyfin is a great project um i started out like no
i'm not gonna look at anything i'm gonna just build my own then three bottles
of whiskey later and heartaches and everything i went like maybe just take a

(29:53):
peek at it just just a little peek and then i started looking at it i'm like
oh this is smart i like the way they're doing this like show less things and all that kind of stuff.
And so I took some inspiration from them because like I said,
they're a great project.
But this is like my passion project. This is also something I really want to do.
And my dream is one day to buy a house, have my own little movie room with my

(30:15):
own media center and everything like that.
And so passion project, certain technical differences.
And yeah, those are the main reasons.
Great. And are you looking for people to contribute at this point?
I would love it. um i would love to uh i have a github repo uh which uh,
It's not under the best circumstances right now, but it has the backend and

(30:38):
it has the TV client already there.
Sorry. And it has the TV client already there. And yes, I would love for people
to help me out with certain kind of stuff. One of the biggest challenges, I'm blind.
So doing the UI is very difficult, especially for TV clients because managing
focus and all that kind of stuff is really, really hard. And so,

(30:59):
yeah, I would love for people to contribute.
You can go to my website, blindpingbuttoncoder.com and we have a section there
that's just dedicated to this project itself.
Sounds great. Well, thank you, Jose, for giving us a little update.
Yeah.
Great to see you. Thank you.
Thank you.
You know, you can tell that this is a wonderful audience because as Jose was

(31:21):
talking about, you know, the disclaimers around Git Repos, which I say all the
time, you know, you could just see the heads nodding.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true.
All of our things are filled with to-do items, right?
So I'm going to play a chat we had earlier yesterday with Carl Rochelle from System76.
So that's coming up next. We also have some feedback we're going to get to. So we still have more.

(31:45):
And also, if anybody else has anything they want to jump on and chat with us
about, you'll have an opportunity to do it in just a moment. It's sort of last call.
And we're going to get to all that in just a moment.
but first i'm going to mention configcat.com slash
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(32:27):
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That's probably true. I probably would not have broken our website last week.
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(33:15):
Alright, so we had the opportunity to chat with Carl from System76, and he joins us now.
Here we go again, back live, LinuxFest Northwest 2025, in a sunny,
warm, beautiful Bellingham, Washington.
And Wes, we have something very special for the live members. Oh, yes we do.
And those of you that are catching on replay, join us right now.

(33:38):
It is the CEO of System76, Mr. Keyboard Warrior himself, Carl Rochelle.
Welcome back to the show. It's great to have you.
Thank you for having me, and I have to say, this is my first time in Lady Jupe. It is fantastic.
I'm looking out at Sunning Bellingham, as you had said. Yep.
I see my kids rolling around the grass, and my 8-year-old daughter is beating

(33:59):
up my 11-year-old son. Sure.
That sounds about what my kids are probably doing right now, too. As it should be.
It's wonderful up here. You know, the nice thing about Lady Joops is you can
take a parking lot and make it a camping spot. Right. Exactly.
We just got here late last night, and we're making, I love checking on this,
right now, we're making 686 watts of solar.
That's fantastic. Could be a little better. We're using a fair amount of that, too, I think.

(34:22):
So there's been a lot of interest in our chat room this morning about your Cosmic
talk. I saw Alpha 7 came out recently.
So I imagine every time you give this talk, you're probably adding new things,
probably covering new stuff, refining it a little bit. So what's kind of new
in your presentation for Cosmic?
This one was really satisfying because LinuxFest Northwest last year was my

(34:45):
first Cosmic talk. We've been working on it for two years.
And it was time to get out and start talking about what we had been building.
So we came here. This is the first place we did it.
Since there, I've toured the world, all over the U.S. I say world,
I went to the Netherlands.
Hey, there's an ocean in between. That counts. That was the Boon2 Summit.
But I think it was Scale and Southwest Linux Fest and, I don't know,

(35:10):
all over the country, talking about what we've been building with Cosmic.
And so this time I got to go all the way around, it's been a year,
and go back to the place where we started.
So how it changed throughout the year, I've talked about here's what Cosmic
is, here are the features, here's what makes it unique,
tiling and floating and stacks and how it's composable and modular and you can

(35:32):
build it to create experiences, all those kind of things.
I've talked about it for a year. And so this time we talked about,
okay, well, there's kind of a synopsis where, you know, what we've done last
year, the big things that we landed in the last alpha.
And I changed the focus to our app suite. Oh. Because the applications for Cosmic
have really matured into these awesome, awesome apps, like the file browser,

(35:55):
the Cosmic Store, add text editor.
Settings are all filled out. They're everything you expect for a desktop now.
So that's how the presentation changed.
Yeah, I've been following it, testing out the alphas here and there.
And it feels like, like you were saying, the applications around it,
I saw files got some nice improvements to the last few releases in this release

(36:19):
as well Accessibility continues to get iterated on high contrast mode and whatnot But we had one question.
Yeah, um, we noticed there was some work Optimizing was it window resizing application resizing?
Yeah, we wanted we wanted to know how did that come about? Did someone complain?
Did you notice on your own system things could just be snappy?

(36:40):
What's the story? In the release notes, it says, fixed high CPU usage when resizing application windows.
And Wes and I are just sitting here thinking, how do you even notice that?
Is there a micro benchmark in place? Was somebody just staring at system monitor
and they were resizing windows? How did this come about?
I think this is a fantastic question because it illustrates how far we've come

(37:01):
because the stuff people find is like crazy little corner weird things.
So I think this was a guy...
who was testing Cosmic, grabbing the corner of a window, and flipping it back
and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, while he was watching
System Monitor. Why? I have no idea.
That's how he uses the desktop, you know? This is how we find,

(37:23):
like, the ex-Evon or things like that, right? Some of us type LS.
It does a habit in the terminal. Some people drag the corner.
Yeah, and by doing that over and over again, you can see the CPU usage increase
because of how often we're redrawing.
And so we optimized that in Cosmic Conf to clear up that issue.
but that's the kind of stuff we're at now.

(37:43):
We've done, like, the big offenders for optimization have been pretty much resolved.
Now we've got some smaller ones. We still want to, you know,
make it faster and snappier and more efficient, but for the most part,
we're getting kind of weird stuff.
Yeah, or in polish, like now being able to drag the workspaces around kind of
dynamically or pin them, too, that's a really nice feature.
So if you clear out all the applications on a workspace and you don't want it

(38:05):
to disappear on you, you can pin it now and have that workspace remain persistent.
Yeah, I like it because I think static workspaces are an important feature to have.
But we wanted to try something new that was a bit more flexible,
where the settings are also accessible to the user in the view that they're looking at.
So as you open workspaces, if you hover over workspace, you can click the pin

(38:25):
button, and that workspace, regardless of whether it has a window on or not, will stay there.
If you unpin a workspace in between two and you remove the applications from it, it'll go away.
So it makes it really easy to have as many as you'd like and it also has the
flexibility of Dynamic workspace at the end, so you're not actually trapped
into four Let's say you pin.

(38:47):
Let's say you pin three and you have your fourth workspace It's not pinned if
you put windows on that one It'll add another one after it for you so it has
more flexibility than just I want to be stuck on for I think I,
I don't know if we can make everyone happy, but I think it's going to be an
easier feature for most people to use.
And hopefully we don't offend too many people that really want just for it. We'll see.

(39:08):
So I noticed, you know, when you're out and about these days,
because when I saw you at scale, you're really cosmic forward as a company. You're really there.
Even the booth branding was very cosmic forward.
How is the hardware business going? I imagine it's tricky times,
but is business still doing okay?
It's been, it has, tariffs are tricky for everyone.
Right, I have to figure, yeah. Yeah, our industry is obviously affected by the tariffs.

(39:34):
The 5,000 NVIDIA GPUs were coming out right before the tariffs hit.
And the prices when they were coming out were actually pretty good.
I thought for the first time, okay, they're not raking us over the coals with
the NVIDIA GPUs right now.
The price accelerated quite a bit over the last few years, but I thought,

(39:56):
okay, this looks pretty good.
and we had some of our vendors like PNY. We get our 5090s from PNY, 5080s from PNY.
And they said, okay, we're going to have them in April. They said,
all right, we're going to have them for you by the end of April.
We're good. We're solid. Here's pricing and everything.
And we said, okay, all right, we're going to offer these to our customers so

(40:18):
they can preorder, and then we'll get them by the end of April and ship them.
Well, Liberation Day happened, and they said, We're not going to deliver those
GPUs. And by the way, we can't give you that price.
And so... There goes all your planning, huh? So you don't know price or date
at that point? At that point, we didn't know price or date.

(40:39):
But we honored our... Now we do. We've got new pricing. It was more expensive than it was. I...
There's a story that was told to me that I don't really like where it's going,
but it's that computing is going to become more selective,
which is kind of the opposite of what I hope for as a person that thinks computer

(41:01):
science is really important.
Things are getting more expensive. These GPUs have cost like three grand for a CPU, for a GPU.
It was $2,400 before. Or it's not a trend that I'm very excited about for society.

(41:22):
It used to be you'd go finance your computer because it was,
your computer cost six, in today's dollars, maybe it was 10 grand or something.
And so you pay for it over a year. But not everybody had a computer.
Now everybody has a computer.
Are we turning to the times when not everyone could have the latest things?
I don't like it. You're choosing between the used car or part of a used car
and your NVIDIA GPU. I mean, it just really seems like it just sort of forces

(41:45):
people to use services, you know.
So if you can't afford a GPU, you're going to use a cloud service.
And all the downsides that come with that, I suppose, like data collection and whatnot.
Yeah, maybe it swings the other way. You know, we see both AMD and Intel integrating
neural processors like Apple did with their M series.
Maybe those become more accessible and can do some of those tasks.

(42:08):
Right. One would hope. Yeah, yeah. I fear about that, too, because I've essentially
been priced out of the GPU market, and I would love to play with this local AI stuff.
So, you know, we're talking like maybe we get one GPU for Jupyter Broadcast,
and we put it in a shared system, and we all use that one GPU instead of just
each workstation getting a GPU or something like that, which you would have
done a couple of years ago. Yeah.

(42:28):
Yeah, that is tricky. All that being said, especially our desktops,
another thing happened during this, we kind of saw the writing on the wall,
that it's somewhat bipartisan,
that competing with China is, you know, it's not just a Republican,
just a Democrat thing, it seems to be bipartisan, so we saw that writing on the wall, I'm sorry.

(42:51):
We had to accelerate this, though. Our laptops were being manufactured by Odium in China.
But, of course, tariffs of 145% make them impossible.
And so we shifted our manufacturing in the first quarter to Taiwan.
And in doing that, we were able to reduce the tariffs and kind of get ourselves

(43:16):
out of the way of that political battle that we aren't really,
that's their thing to fight. Our thing is open source.
You're trying to make open source hardware. That's what we care about. So that's okay.
So we were able to shift our manufacturing there. That doesn't sound like a
small thing to do. It was considerable.
And the cost and effort, and then we didn't have, and then that meant a longer

(43:41):
gap between when the new laptops came out. Right.
So now things are, I'm seeing it both with NVIDIA 5000 series.
it's starting to smooth out supply and it's starting
to smooth out um i'm starting to see
it with uh and with our laptops too that supply is starting to smooth out so
um that's good a few more weeks and uh yeah a couple more weeks a few more weeks

(44:03):
and we're going to be back to uh back to full strength that's good to hear um
so you mentioned you've been traveling a lot you've done a lot of these events um.
I don't remember you bringing the family to many of them. Is that something
you're doing more these days, sort of a work-life balance, an opportunity kind of thing?
What's your thoughts there as somebody who also travels a lot and does a lot of things?
I'm just curious what you think and how it's working.

(44:23):
Yeah, well, for this one, my kids are on spring break.
Spring break is very different. I live up in the mountains and I buy a ski resort.
And so it's winter for like six or seven months a year.
So our spring break is much later than most places.
The cool thing about that is it's really cheap to go Disney.
There's nobody there. So we're on the shoulders, you know.

(44:45):
But in this case, LinuxFest Northwest just happened to be on their spring break,
so I got to bring them with me. Spent a couple days in Seattle, come up here.
And I love bringing, if you have the opportunity to take your kids while you're
doing a presentation or do a talk or something like that, I like bringing them.
One talk I did in Boulder, my son came up and, well, he asked if he could demo.

(45:08):
Huh. Amazing. Well, first he asked me a lot of hard questions.
I'm like, come on, son. You're supposed to be my inside man here.
Yeah, what's going on here?
And then, yes, then I was showing him the theming and cosmic.
He's like, can I do a theme? And then he came up and did this canary yellow
blue theme. And it was great.
He went to Self with me, Southeast Linux Fest.

(45:28):
And we went to a baseball game out there. And he watched the presentation,
got to be part of the community and see it.
So every chance I have between the family, we do.
And I think it helps them. It makes it kind of real, too. Because a lot of the
technology stuff is sort of more theoretical and discussed, and it's online.
So you bring it into the real life, and it's like, oh, I get a little bit better
picture of what Dad does. Yeah.

(45:51):
Well, Carl, thank you for taking the time to come and chat with us.
It's always good to catch up with you. Yeah, thanks for having me.
Appreciate it. Yeah, have a good fest.
Well, it turns out, even though we're doing crazy things, traveling around,
moving, like, I don't know, the whole studio to a different location and streaming
from a different city, City.
Well, the boosts still keep coming in, and we have some ballers this week.

(46:12):
Ooh, and it looks like our baller booster, I think for the first time, is Mr. Turd Ferguson.
Who comes in with 37,222 sats?
It's almost ducks, but something else in there.
Too.
Yeah, maybe like the eagle duck.
A little extra turd spin on it. It was great meeting you guys in person.

(46:33):
Brent is much more handsome than he sounds on air.
And I sound very handsome.
I would kind of think you do. So I think that means, does that just mean we're uggos?
I think so, yeah. Did turd even say hi to us?
No.
We didn't get the name.
You guys had to go to the fest to see people.
I think you missed that part.
That's our bad.
And then Turd follows up, I meant to ask you guys, if NixOS and the Forks disappeared,

(46:56):
what distro would you switch to as a daily driver?
Oh, man.
So this is, I assume, like Forks means like geeks and stuff, right?
I think so.
Similar enough.
I think for the sake of this, we just write those all off.
Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.
I feel like my honest answer would be Fedora, because I'm actually running Fedora on this laptop.
You're already doing it.

(47:17):
It seems like that would be a pretty good one.
Hey, we're both doing Plasma Nix OS over here. I don't know what you brought to it.
I know. Well, you know, somebody, I don't know who, Wes, convinced me I should
try Asahi Fedora on this thing. I just couldn't remember who that was.
Okay, so you're in the Fedora camp.
I think I'm going to go to the Fedora camp.
Especially because you're a GNOME guy now, apparently.
I mean, Arch has an appeal. I was very happy with Arch for many years.

(47:40):
But here I am, and this has been, I think, the same install since Fedora 40,
and I'm now on Fedora 42, and it's Asahi Fedora. at that so i've done three
release upgrades now on this.
Same you're committed yeah.
And it's been working really well so i think i'd have to go with that.
That makes sense yeah i'm i was debating you know

(48:00):
just in my head right now arch makes sense arch is what
i was kind of on before i mean a whole bunch of things right for the
show but it has that similar you got
lots of fresh updates right pretty much can install whatever you
want it doesn't have a lot of the nix magic but you
know pac-man is simple you've got the
aor and package builds and you can
pretty much make it work and it has it kind of shares again that

(48:23):
what nix has i think which is like a community of hackers
who figure those things out right they're like taking apart the deb file to
turn it into a aur package but yeah that's true part of me wonders probably
right like because i know arch and i want to learn new stuff i'd probably have
to be playing with something bootsy right it'd Probably be like a bluefin something.

(48:45):
Yeah.
I think that might be it.
Bluefin would be interesting. They should make Bluefin a Sahi edition.
What about you? Is the arch pole strong?
Would you go back to your arch lover? Would you go back to Seuss?
Been there, done that.
Yeah.
Been there, done that. I think my curiosity with these questions gets me in
trouble. Because I always wanted like, oh, I got to try that new thing over there.
I don't have much experience with it. Do you remember how overdue he is for his Gentoo challenge?

(49:09):
Oh, my goodness.
I was hoping that wouldn't come up.
Oh, no.
Wait, this says I get to choose.
I think I would want to dip my toe into some image-based Linux distributions.
I don't have very much experience with those.
Some people I know have been telling me it's super great. I would imagine there

(49:30):
are some problems you can't predict until you get into it.
But I'm not too sure which version I would try, so I would be open to some suggestions.
Does anybody else, maybe show of hands, do you guys have a backup distro in
your mind? Like if you ever had to leave your distro, is this something you think about?
You know, they finally canceled Debian forever.
You do? A couple of you do? Only a couple of you, huh? Okay.
I think Turd's got me thinking about this now, and I'm wondering if I...

(49:54):
I don't know about my Fedora answer.
I'm curious with the listeners at home, what your backup distro is and what your primary distro is.
And you're just not saying Linux Mint because you're in Paris?
I don't get it. It works great. It works really good.
Thank you. Thank you, Turd. It was good seeing you. Well, I suppose. I didn't get to it.
Vicariously.
Yeah.
Brent's hogging all the Turd. The Doodabide boosts in with 22,222 sets.

(50:24):
Live boost? Oh, wow.
Heyo, thank you for the live boost.
That means our live stream must actually be working today, which I wasn't entirely sure about.
I think so.
Thank you, dude.
Yeah, I appreciate it, dude.
We also have a boost here from Rod Palmer Hoddle, which that's the first time
I recognize them here, so maybe a first-time booster.
That's for 5,000 sets.

(50:44):
Hey. Hashtag 40 hours of podcast a week. That's what happens. And that is.
Oh, I thought that was like a code for some sort of like oil specification.
You guys are not listening to enough podcasts.
Clearly.
Because if you were listening to enough podcasts, you would know what hashtag 40 HPW means.
That's full-time podcast listening.
I know. And I'm doing it while I'm doing shows. So catch up, boys. Catch up.

(51:07):
You're not doing it right if you're not doing 40 hours of podcast.
What are you doing? Watching YouTube? I hope not.
No. Tiny's not at all.
No, I hope not. We also got a boost from Uncle Joe MQ.
He came in with 5,000 sats, says thanks for all your shows. First time boost,
long time listener, and he's got a postal code here, Wes.
Did I bring the map? Did I leave it at home?

(51:28):
Notice it's called a postal code here, not one of those zip things.
You want to try the digital map, Wes? I mean, we've never done a digital map
before. We always have a physical map, but I think we should try it.
I'm a little nervous, Wes. See if you can find it on your digital map there,
okay? It still makes map noises.

(51:50):
It does, yeah. Well, I programmed those in.
Where are you keeping that?
It's in my back pocket. What do you think?
Okay. All right. All right, so the zip code is 97200.
Well, it's not a zip code, it would have seemed.
They suggested right here that it's not a zip code.
Yeah, postal code. Okay, and we've got a little clue, right?
What's the difference between a zip code and a postal code?

(52:12):
Well, one is U.S. only, and one is maybe a generic term for...
Sounds like tomato, tomato, pop, soda. I mean, it doesn't seem like it's that
big of a difference. I'll tell you what. And he gave you a little hint here.
See, the thing is...
Yeah. Are you effing looking it up right now on what it means?
Well, no, I just mean, you know, there's separate databases.
They haven't put this on the blockchain yet, Chris. So, you know,

(52:34):
like I have to go to separate systems.
Each one maintains their own proprietary protocol for postal code lookups that
the map has to do analog interface to.
I know, I know.
But this would appear to be postal code 97200 corresponds to Fort de France,
capital city of Martinique.
Really?
Wow.
You know what? He did say, he did hint it would be a French-speaking area.

(52:57):
Yeah, on a Caribbean island.
I think that's the first time we hear from a listener from Martinique.
I think Martinique meetup. That's got to be on the list.
That should be a thing. Thank you, Uncle Joe.
Let us know if we got it right. Zack Attack attacks us with 5,432 sats.
I actually took my laptop to the latest version of Gnome with Bluefin.

(53:20):
Hey-oh, speaking.
I do like Gnome, and I think it actually has some advantages over Plasma,
with the exception of, for some reason, the way they handle touchpads is just strange.
Oh, really?
I'd like to be able to toggle it on and off with a keyboard shortcut.
Yes. Maybe have the touchpad turn off when a mouse is plugged in.
I ended up writing a script that lets me toggle it on and off with a keyboard shortcut. In Plasma...

(53:45):
It's just an option.
That's just an option. Yeah, doesn't that really just sum up the whole thing?
It's true of so many things.
No, hold up. How is this not a GNOME extension, boys? How is this?
This has got to be a GNOME extension.
What? So you want to install some JavaScript that will break the next time I
upgrade my operating system?
Well, it might be superior to writing a Python script that the dude has to,
like, homebrew every time he wants to, you know.
So you like JavaScript more than Python now?

(54:08):
No. No, don't put me in that box.
Okay, okay, sorry.
Okay, so there is a couple of different...
Oh, yeah, okay. Hmm.
Trackpad, what would you search for? Because there's so many Gnome extensions.
Or maybe folks can boost in and tell us how they solved this.
Okay, what if he pivoted and he went to something that just does mouse pointers,
like mouse trails in Windows 3.1, and just was happy with it? That's what I would do.

(54:31):
Maybe some sort of UDEV rule detects the mouse being plugged in and then kills the touchpad?
As long as it turns on mouse trails. I'm happy.
All right, thank you, and good luck. Let us know how it goes,
ZackTack, with your custom solution. but you're right, it is nice to be able to just do it in plasma.
We've got a boost here from Bravo, 5,555 sats.

(54:54):
Hey, Jordan Bravo here. You mentioned that installed Flatpak apps would be erased
when doing a Fedora reinstall.
Right, the new feature in Fedora 32.
Right, the whole refresh your thing. You want to just, yeah, OK.
Well, that's probably because you were installing them system-wide.
Try installing Flatpak apps with the dash dash user flag, which installs them

(55:14):
in the home directory and shouldn't be affected by that reinstall process.
Right, because as Neil was telling us, right, it uses ButterFS subvolume,
so it and just sort of roll back to the fresh state.
So, yeah, you lose it if it's on that partition or that volume,
but you've got it in your home.
Jordan Bravo coming in with a big brain solution there.
I don't know if I've ever actually used the dash dash user flag.

(55:35):
I've never installed the Flatpak as dash dash user, ever.
But it seems like a great option.
Why not?
Yeah.
It might as well. I mean, I don't have anybody else log into my system.
Maybe it should be the default.
Maybe it should be the default.
There's probably some limitations that we're not aware of.
Like if you install it by Discover or by GNOME software, how is it not the default? I don't know.
Probably some janky set UID somewhere.
Yeah, I think so. That's a good idea. Thank you, Jordan. Pod bun comes in with

(55:58):
a row of ducks. That's 2,222 sets.
Loved the episode. The clips of you guys gaming were great. I am for more gaming
content. I got Trimu. Probably not it.
Trimu.
Thank you. A couple of months ago, and I love it. No barriers to gaming.
Just straight into my ROMs. I ended up wiping them to move over my favorite ones.
That's kind of what I've been thinking about doing. I love that I can just pop

(56:20):
it in my bag and I don't have to worry about running down my phone to play retro games yeah.
Yeah try Mew maybe I don't know.
Yeah it looks like a Switch smart.
Pro 128 gig handheld game console with preloaded games $99.99 it says here.
Well that's cooler than what I got it.
Does yeah it's got joysticks.
And it's like the same price it kind of looks like a PSP yeah it does look more

(56:40):
like a PSP than a Switch and there's.
No like turtle shell or whatever that thing was.
Soccer ball that is yeah the stupid soccer ball they got Pikachu.
Stickers that come with it if you want.
Okay, so what's this thing called again?
T-R-I-M-U-I.
The Trimui Smart Pro. Damn, that actually looks really slick.
I'm a little bit jealous there.

(57:00):
You've been doing it wrong this whole time.
Yeah, PowerVR, all-winner A113+, Type-C.
It's got a mood LED, RGB, double joystick, mood light.
That's way better than a soccer ball.
The real question. Will I talk to Home Assistant, though? If not, I'm not buying it.
Well, there's a will, there's a way.
I have an observation. from the last two boosts. It seems our audience is much smarter than we are.

(57:22):
Yeah, they big-brained us again twice in a row. I agree.
Bug-Eyed Stormtrooper boosts in with 5,000 cents.
I enjoyed the gaming episode, but it does seem just a bit out of place on Linux Unplugged.
So maybe, should it have been a Jupyter Extra?
Never!
Anyway, keep on keeping on.

(57:44):
No, maybe. Actually, I think we'll put it in the launch if we ever do it again.
I think that's what the consensus has been.
Yeah, okay. Launches have a sort of, you know, there's like a pun somewhere
in there around launching the game.
Every four or five years, you know, we get the itch.
To do a little game?
Yeah.
Just to prove that our Linux computers can still do it.
Yeah, that's part of it. Can we actually make it happen?

(58:04):
It also feels like one of those things, right, where it's just so long,
it was a thing we couldn't hardly even talk about. Or if we did,
it was to talk about it in an embarrassed way.
Because it's like, oh, yeah, we all agreed not to talk about it because it doesn't
work very well. Or we have a secret Windows PC.
It's also like a low-key way to just like demo a couple of cool stacks on Linux
now. True. In a way. Yeah. But I agree.

(58:25):
Thank you, Bug-Eyed. Nice to hear from you.
We have a boost here from OtterBrain, 5,000 SAT, That's simply saying,
thanks for that coverage.
Hmm. Thank you, Otterbrain. Appreciate it. Odyssey Westra, who's also here at
LinuxFest Northwest, sent in a raw docs.
Live meep.
Are we calling them meeps now? I kind of like it.
I think meep is a good term. He's not here to claim it, though.

(58:48):
No, that's true.
It's okay. We did see him last night at dinner.
He was here earlier. I think probably dipped out for another talk.
Maybe another live meep.
Yeah, I think you're right about that.
You never know. Thank you, everybody, who boosts into the show and supports
episodes. directly by boosting. This is episode 612, which is a cool number, 612.
I'll just pull up, because we do it sometimes. We got 300 stats from Galactic
Flux, because I like that name, and it's just a good message. B-O-O-S-T.

(59:14):
Love it. Thank you, everybody. Also, who streams those sats,
24 of you collectively. Kind of a low amount.
I think one of our nodes might have been down. Something's weird here,
boys. Only 17,473 sats on the stream.
Did people stop listening to this? Did we not publish last week?
That might have been it. Maybe we forgot to publish. Let's publish this one.
Okay.
Okay. All right. Combined, we have a total of 107,648 sats for this episode,

(59:37):
and we appreciate everybody who supports the show.
So you can do it too with something like Fountain FM or you can do it directly
with lots of apps over at podcastapps.com.
Something Wes is going to be talking about, some of this a little bit.
But there's self-hosted options, there's hosted options, there's all kinds of
ways to support the show directly and get your message read on the air.
We'll have links in the show notes to make it extra easy.

(59:59):
And thank you to our members as well. We really appreciate you.
okay now the pick this week
80 of the reason we picked it is because
of the name but it is a really good pick okay but i'm just being totally transparent
with everybody this week our pick of the week is sausage sausage is a terminal

(01:00:25):
word forming game written in bash and it's under the Mozilla Public License version 2.
And I don't know if you guys noticed, but it just had a release seven hours ago.
Yeah, it's actively developed.
They noticed, like, we went to see the film.
Yeah, so Sausage is a terminal word-forming game written in Bash.
It actually has a nice little UI.
Can you turn your screen around, Brent? Sure. It looks really kind of fun.

(01:00:51):
You would not think it was written in Bash, actually.
No.
I know, I mean, friends of the
show have made some pretty incredible Bash games, and people do it, but...
It looks surprisingly good for
something in your terminal. It's really a clean-looking word puzzle game.
And I guess the idea is you kind of have to make words out of adjacent letters in this grid.
Oh, no.
But it has, like, VI key bindings. It computes statistics while you run.

(01:01:14):
You can also kind of reshuffle things. You can kind of get basic commands to go back or try again.
I guess it's based off of a game called Bookworm.
Okay.
Look at this. Isn't that good 2003 energy?
Mm-hmm. On PC or Mac, CD-ROM available.
Yeah, that's right.
Oh, from PopCap Games.
Yeah, PopCap Games. So now we've got a Mozilla public licensed version that

(01:01:36):
you don't even have to install.
I mean, there is for some reason an install script.
Really?
What does it actually install? I don't know.
A shell script?
Because it's just a bash file.
Yeah, I'm curious to know what it actually installs. Okay, we're looking at
it right now. It looks like it moves it, makes it executable.
Okay, it just stashes a whole bunch of it. It's got like dictionary, it's got rules.

(01:01:56):
Yeah and then it's.
Got a preferred editor there.
And we have to trash this what is that preferred editor there west what does
it say there in that script i think it says nano yeah it says nano west that
says nano i hate that i gotta.
Fork it i gotta fork.
It this is a great pick i am 100 behind sausage now as a little tepidace as
a phrase i'm like i don't know it's a little great name but no now i'm loving

(01:02:18):
it check out sausage we'll have it linked in the show notes.
I have a tiny side pick.
For sausage you got an extra yeah well.
Every time i we run into the word sausage in a place that you don't expect it
to be i think of a youtube channel that wes has introduced to us a few times
wes can you give us a sense of what i'm talking about just check.
Out ordinary sausage he's uh i don't know let's say food alchemist who's turned,

(01:02:43):
Well, let's say he's managed to turn water into a sausage, as well as,
what, scorpions, several types of liquor, really almost anything except,
you know, regular pork, although that too.
So, yeah, check out Ordinary Sausage if you like culinary madness.
Oh, my God. You're welcome. That's a wild side pick, but I do kind of love it.

(01:03:04):
I'm just trying to figure out how he turns water into sausage.
Oh, you got to see it.
It's kind of great. You know how YouTube channels can develop their own lore?
And so there's sort of the, in the lore for that channel, there's the pre-water
sausage days and the post-water sausage days.
Because the theory is it sort of broke his brain. And then the channel really took a turn.
Sort of like when the Cottonwood got into the studio.
That's right, yeah.
Before Cottonwood.
It's never been the same.

(01:03:24):
It's never been the same after Cottonwood.
And the cat. Server runs so much better.
That is weirdly true.
Yeah.
Yeah. The cat smells the lock totally out, though.
All right. So links to everything we talked about in the show notes.
We want to hear your editors that we missed. And last but not least,
we are getting very close to home assistant season.
Both Wes and Brent are going to be deploying home assistants.

(01:03:45):
I may re-refurb on mine a little bit. Mine's about three years old right now.
So if we do something for theirs that I like a lot, I may end up redoing mine
or something. Mine's working fine.
So what I'm looking for is first-time home assistant setup tips.
So if you're listening out there, you've set up home assistant before,
and we can get some tips to the boys so that way it starts out right.
Also, we're looking for hardware recommendations for a mobile home assistant

(01:04:08):
in Brent's van because one of the very first projects before we fix the interior,
before we wash the bed, before we probably put new oil in it,
maybe just after we've gotten gas, we're installing a home assistant server in Brent's van.
And so I'd love some tips for something that could maybe run off of DC or mobile.
We're kind of thinking of Raspberry Pi, but maybe there's a better solution

(01:04:29):
out there. People could boost that and let us know too.
I'm curious as well, because having seen you over the past few years kind of
go down your route, and I remember you had a whole thing where one version of
integration, I don't remember if it was Zigbee or Z-Wave, things changed,
you'd architected it in one way.
So I'm curious if folks have, now that they've gone down the path,
what would they do differently to not get themselves painted into the corners

(01:04:52):
that they have in the setup they have now?
Yeah, let us know. Send it in, and we'll be talking about it very soon.
You can come in hot with your very own boost. Now, links to what we talked about
today They're at linuxunplugged.com slash 612.
Of course, you can also join us when we do the show live. Make it a Tuesday
on a Sunday, noon Pacific. Nope, 10 a.m. Pacific.

(01:05:12):
Jeez, still don't have it down. You know what you should do?
Don't listen to me. I don't know what I'm talking about. Go to jupiterbroadcasting.com
slash calendar or get a podcasting 2.0 app.
It's just in there automatically. Why are you listening to me?
Why do you make me say it like this?
God, I mess it up every time.
Tuesdays, right?
Yeah, Tuesdays. Yeah, at 3 p.m. Yeah. All right.

(01:05:34):
Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of the Linux Unplugged
program. And we will see you right back here next Thursday.

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