632: The Nightly Wobble

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Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
My name is Wes.
And my name is Brent.
Hey, gentlemen, coming up on the show today, we've been giving KDE Linux a spin,
and we'll give you our first impressions in just a little bit.
Plus, I just made a bunch of big updates to my Hypervibe distro.
Yeah, it's still a thing. And I'm going to see if we can get Wes to get it installed

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and up and running live during the show.
In fact, during the second half of the show, he doesn't even have the whole
show. Then we'll round it out with some great shout-outs, some picks, and a lot more.
So before we go any further, let's say time-appropriate greetings to that virtual
lug. Hello, Mumble Room. Welcome in.
Hello, Brent.

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We got a real small on-air. And then look at that big old quiet listening up
there. It's glistening with the quiet listening.
That's nice. Thank you, everybody, for joining us there and in the Matrix chat
and making it a live vibe.
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already used in some really amazing production instances.
I'm talking, let's just say there's Nebula going down the road out there.
I set up my first lighthouse this weekend.
Is that right? Good job.
Thank you. Yeah, that's where I'm starting. I'm going to do a lighthouse and a mobile device.
I did kind of cheat and I used Nebula Manager, but it was really nice.

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Nebula, I was, it's great actually.
Nebula Manager is great because one of the things it did for me is it created
a template config file that's just about ready to go.
And so then I just went in there, bop, bop, bop through it in like two minutes max.
And I had a lighthouse. I was like, oh, that was nothing.
So I feel like the process is beginning. And then I think the next thing I'm
going to set up just because this is how I roll is I think maybe there's better ways to do it.

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I'm open to input, but I think I'm going to set up a DNS server on the same
box. That's my lighthouse.
I have it do a name resolution for both Nebula and external stuff.
What appeals to me is like I can build at it like this for my home lab and understand
it and understand how it works. And I get access to everything.
Right. But then for JB or friends or family or whatever it might be,

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the managed product is available for me.
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a compromise or I have the managed product.
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Well, Texas Linux Fest, October 3rd through the 4th at the Commons Conference
Center in Austin, Texas, is just 18 days away, probably about 10 or so days
until Brent needs to hit the road from right now.
Maybe eight or five.
I'm feeling more like seven, so I've got to pack.
Well, you've got to think about it this way. If you've got seven or eight days
to leave, then you've got four or five days to fix whatever you need to fix

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before you can hit the road.
I still have a leaking roof, so I've got to get it going on that.
We have a big update on how we're doing coming up in the show later on.
We've been stacking support with the audience's help for Texas Linux Fest.
It's been really awesome.
And I think with the incredible support we've seen from the audience and the
fact that we just ticked over our 12th anniversary, I think we should officially

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hold the unplugged birthday party at Texas Linux Fest.
So we have a meetup on the books. If you go to meetup.com slash Jupyter Broadcasting,
we have an Austin unplugged birthday party on October 4th during the 12 p.m.
lunch hour. Remember that that meetup page is in Pacific time.
So I put it in for 2 p.m. Pacific time.

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Is that right? I can't remember, but I put it in. So it equates to either way.
It's at lunch during Texas Linux Fest.
And there's a real nice place. It offers burgers, coffee, beer,
cocktails right nearby with indoor and outdoor seating. So I think we'll just walk there.
And we'll hold the 12th anniversary birthday party for Linux Unplugged on Saturday

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at Texas Linux Fest. It should be really fun, I think.
and I think also I'm going to say grab the BitChat app while we're there on
the ground why don't we all organize with BitChat,
I think there's no servers required no accounts required it's just location
and Bluetooth and IP based so get BitChat we'll have it linked in the show notes
open source we've talked about it before could be a great way for us to just communicate that's.

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A good idea.
As you get in the area and we do have our link we're trying to raise support
to get to Texas Linux Fest we were going to do the commercial sponsoring route
but nothing's really worked out and so the audience is stepping up in a big
way to make sure that we can get down there and do what we do best,
cover these special community events like nobody else does or can.
And so we'll have a link in the show notes. You can use PayPal,
Venmo, or OnChain, or Lightning to support us.

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And you can put a little message in there. I'm kind of playfully calling it a fake boost.
You can also, of course, boost us and put a message in there for going right
into our fund to get us down to Texas.
And I also think you could consider picking up a VLOG identification item like
a hat or a t-shirt at the Jupyter Garage.
We have a couple of new ones up there that you could put on and get identified

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by the team right away. You can find that at JupyterGarage.com.
I wonder, did we get the new hat colors on there?
Ooh, good question.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm getting excited already. I mean, the schedule for Texas Linux Fest is up now.
It's looking good. It's looking real good. And you're on Saturday.
That's right, yeah.
Everybody should come see Wes's talk on Saturday.
After our meetup.

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And then right before the after parties, which there'll probably be several of.
So you could grab yourself a VLOG identification item. So that way you stand
up from the crowd at jupytergarage.com.
Of course, we have the booths and we have the playfully titled fake booths.
If you would like to support us that way, we'll have a link for that in the show notes.
And we'll have an update on how we're doing in just a little bit.

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But KDE hit a new release stage in this last week.
And we wanted to take a look at it. We've been talking about it on and off to
our bootleg members and just wanted to get everyone caught up really quickly.
The KDE community that makes the Plasma desktop has also now started creating
their own distribution.
And it's built by the KDE project to sort of feature the Plasma desktop and Plasma technologies.

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And we've entered into, it's still, I guess it's not, it's alpha,
but it's not alpha, alpha. I mean, how are they calling?
I mean, they do call it the alpha release of KDE Linux, at least Nate did over in his blog post.
It's like the next alpha, I suppose. I mean, the reason why I'm trying to make
this clear is it's still early days, everybody.
But it is a new operating system intended eventually to be at a spot where you

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could daily drive this thing.
It would showcase Plasma and KDE software in the best light they feel that the developers feel.
And they would try to highlight modern technologies in their Wayland and Butterfess.
So I think what's notable is they're calling this a testing edition now.
So it's still considered alpha, but it's at the stage where they want to get public testing.
So in there right now is an unreleased version of Plasma. Plasma 6.5 is in there right now.

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And so you can get to play with the latest and greatest stuff that way.
And I know immediately you're probably thinking as you listen to this, boys,
Why do we need another Linux distro? Why? Well, this is what the KDE project says.
They say, quote, KDE is a huge producer of software.
It's awkward for us not to have our own method of distributing it.

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Yes, KDE produces open source that others distribute, but we self-distribute
our apps on app stores like FlatHub and the Snap Store and Microsoft stores.
So I think it's natural for us to have our own platform for doing that distribution too.
And that is an operating system. and so that's kind of what they say now brent there's neon though.
Yeah nate has some words here about neon because well

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if you remember that was the old version or
oof am i supposed to call it that but that was the version
of linux that they were putting out for developers and those of us who are i
don't know interested in finding bugs to give it a shot chris you were running
that for a long time in studio too yeah indeed at least nate says kd is not
cancelled however it has shed most of its developers over the years, which is problematic,

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and it's currently being held together by a heroic volunteer.
While Neon continues to exist, KDE Linux therefore does represent duplication.
As for unnecessary, I'm not sure about that.
Harold, myself, and others feel that KDE Neon has somewhat reached its limit
in terms of what we can do with it.

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It was a great First product that KDE distributed some software and prepared
the world for the idea of KDE in that role.
And it served admirably for about a decade.
But technological and conceptual issues limit how far we can continue to develop it.
I mean, I can definitely understand preferring, even in an alpha,

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what they've got going now to develop.
to putting things together the way Katie Neon did. That said,
I mean, I ran it for years.
We ran it at the studio for years. It really did work well.
Yeah. Yeah, I think during his heyday, it was actually a really great showcase.
I guess I do empathize with the idea of that was our V1 and this is our V2.

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I can kind of connect with that.
And it feels like, you know, designing something like this 10 years ago versus
designing it in, you know, with modern applications and construction in mind.
Of course, they're going to come up with a very different product.
All right, BigPain. So they keep saying it's a modern, it's a modern design.
What do they mean when they're saying it's modern? What does that mean in today's Linux distro parlance?

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Yeah, we do live in an interesting time where people are building all kinds
of new wacky different versions of Linux.
This is not using OS Tree or Bootsy like we've seen over, like when we talk
about our uBlue friends.
I guess they're using Arch as a base, but then they're using a tool called Make
OSI that produces like a operating system image file.

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And then under the hood, you get a ButterFS main partition with a system sub-volume
that is your sort of like writable world.
And then they're using EROFS, which is like a read-only file system that the
kernel has a modern take on that.
And so they ship these images that they build as these EROFS read-only file

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systems that get put on your file system and managed by systemd with updatectl
and there's a whole suite of systemd tools for this.
Right, so you update with systemd. That's crazy. It's fun. It's not the best UI, but it's fun.
And then, of course, that can hook into the systemd boot stuff.
Right now, this does only work on UEFI systems and so you can have the A,
B, different versions that you can roll back to.

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And there's a lot to like in terms of you really just download a new file system
image onto your hard drive, gets kind of rigged up a little, just a little bit,
connect a few dots, and then it seemed I
did I was doing some poking mostly because
it foils a lot of like the sort of kegs xf
I like to do they do actually load the pmem module that
I needed in the init ram fs already which I had to extract out of

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the unified kernel that they uh boot but they're using something where basically
systemd systemd boot passes an efi variable that tells it which drive it booted
from and then it can just use the gpt partitioning to figure out what your root
is automatically and it sort of like auto generates these mount units for you.
And then on top of that, KDE Linux is making sure that this EROFS,

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so it's like it mounts the ButterFS system as your actual root,
but then immediately before you ever get anywhere, it mounts this read-only
to just the slash user part.
And so all of that comes from their pre-built images.
Ah, and where you're living is in the sub-volume.
That's where stuff like Etsy and other places that you can write to.
Is home in there too in the sub-volume?

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Yeah.
Yeah, okay. That's actually a pretty clever way to lay it out.
I like that when I looked at it first, I thought, oh, okay, they didn't do home
as its own partition. No, no, because it's in that sub-volume group.
And, you know, they actually listed explicitly things like Nix or other tools
like, you know, if we don't do, they were originally at some point in their
design doing a fully, like, immutable, just like at root.

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But they felt this gave them a lot of the same guarantees, but with a little more compatibility.
Although I did very quickly try to install Nix and it was kind of failing because
it was trying to write under user local, I think, which was still read-only
and so still was breaking some things. But I didn't try that hard.
So this has been one of my questions is, and you just touched on it,
who is this ultimately for?

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And I guess what you just alluded to is there is some flexibility in the underlying
system because one of the groups they're clearly targeting is developers.
They say, quote, you want to participate in KDE's QA process and find issues
or early bugs, or, quote, you are a KDE Plasma developer, are some of the groups

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they implicitly state on their website they're targeting as developers.
And so my concern is a lot of times an immutable system is a little too rigid
and you end up doing everything in distro box or everything in containers because
developers need tools. They need libraries.
They need all the crap that they use to build their particular applications
with their particular workflow, with their particular preferences.

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That's where an immutable distro can be a little bit of friction.
And if you're trying to make something where people can come and build applications
for the Plasma desktop, they're going to need to be able to,
I don't know, what would be a basic closure setup for you, and could you get
that working on something like this?
Yeah, I mean, I do think you are probably going to run into some limits.
It does support homebrew, so you can get homebrew going.

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It's kind of like a lot of these modern systems. If it sufficiently sideloads
cleanly, then you can kind of make it work maybe with some modifications or
some jerry-rig support that you might need.
And, of course, for a lot of stuff, especially with KDE, there's flat packs are very first class.
so even if you want to develop some on kde software because
they do have a section in their wiki that kind of addresses like well

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here's how you might go about developing non-kde software
and how do you what if you want to work on the distro itself and so there's
various setups i do think right containerization or things will probably come
into play they do mention um distro box as well and and docker yep um and system
d system extensions is another tool that they seem to be adopting in a pretty first class way that.

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Felt like when i come next time i come back around to kdelinux that i think i want to play with.
And that lets you kind of do another take at this like overlaying right you
can be like oh hey i want you to overlay these files on top of my what i've
already got going on slash user to then add this extra especially with systemd
where like you can override and hook in new units and lots of things.
They do say in the documentation though install at your own risk this could

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break things and i think that's the takeaway for this entire distribution is
install at your own risk it's it's still early and that said brent i know you've
had a little bit of time with it we've all just spent kind of the weekend with
it i'm curious what your first impressions were.
As soon as i hit download it was the excitement i think anything coming out
of the kd project i've been a fan of for a long time and we've been hearing.

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About your bias here now there.
Is a bias for sure i think that's worth mentioning is i think all three of us
we've become over the years pretty impressed with what the plasma desktop has
achieved and the kde apps and ecosystem and the consistency that they've achieved
so you're right brent but I think they've earned it.
They've earned it by producing and being there year after year.
And if you look at the transition from the five series to six series and how

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smooth that went, it's really impressive from that team.
And so I think I've been excited about this coming since we heard little murmurs
about it. What was that? Six months ago, something like that.
So it's nice to see it finally come out. And yeah, sure. I'm biased and excited.
So that was the first going into it emotion that i felt now i did of course

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see some differences like the download is a dot raw that was a little new for
me i don't believe i've installed anything from a dot raw,
uh typically you know you get an iso or something like that and i wondered if
that would give me any issues but you know this being an alpha i thought i'm
just gonna give it a quick test in a vm and that's,

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plenty fine maybe for a first go around
and that booted up just fine if you you know give it enough space and all of
that stuff what i ran into quickly though was i had issues partitioning and
i know wes you were like i didn't have any issues at all but something about
my setup gave me issues in the installer yeah.

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I installed it probably like 10 times overall just.
Because i I kept tweaking and trying stuff.
And all of them worked.
And I don't know what I did. I obviously tried to troubleshoot it quite a bit
and I did make some progress and I ended up the auto partitioning wasn't really
working for me for whatever reason.
So I ended up doing, you know, doing it manually.

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And even then I would get to the install process and it would chug for a little
bit and then eventually get some IO errors and things like that.
So it could very, very, very well be. It's my particular setup.
How did you break your virtual hardware?
Why is everything always breaking around me? So I did the smart thing and wrote
that raw image to a USB drive and figured, go bare metal, baby.

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And so I gave that a shot today. And strangely, that excitement was still there.
And I still didn't have anywhere to install it
because I didn't want to wipe the entire you know framework maybe
an hour or two before the show but I
get a sense you guys might convince me to do that after the show but

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I did get it running and ran into a couple little
bugs like plasma crashed one time and I
did have some errors doing updates but eventually an image came in and I realized
these are huge I know the installer told me hey you're gonna need at least 40
gigs to install this as opposed to what typically we see like 8 16 gigs something

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like that so i know there's stuff that's a little different under the if.
The images are big and if you've got a big faster net connection it's no big
deal and if you're on a slower connection you really feel it.
They weren't even that fast i have a pretty decent.
Connection and it.
Was still you know a few minutes.
Yeah when i did the update ctl update or upgrade whatever it was at first i

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thought nothing was happening and then i realized that that progress bar was
just taking a real long time it was just at like one or zero percent it does have.
A fancy little colored progress bar though.
That's true and.
Once that image is downloaded it switched so fast i thought it failed,
so there's that for it it's got that going forward um i'm curious what your

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impressions were just kicking the tires wes.
Yeah i like it i mean it's a it's a very
lean system pretty much everything's just in flatbacks a
little bit in the base system as little as they can i think yeah
so it's pretty snappy uh which is nice you know comes from a
pretty nice little arch base for what you do get in the base system i
was trying it out in a vm i did try it on hardware at the end too but in my

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first install i noticed that my mouse was totally upside down but in a way where
i clearly like where you clicked was down no longer where anywhere that was
drawing the mouse so you kind of had to guess it was just like a little you
know a few millimeters above that it's.
We run into that every now and then.
Yeah but not.
Unusual but i saw other folks reporting that issue as well.
And so i just thought like is this some weird issue you know

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what there's a lot of ways that could happen but it was just a plasma issue
because like or something some way that they were plugging it all together because
not only did it not do that at the login screen uh
but then after i did an update it totally went away so um
and i see i could see because i was running over a couple days that yeah they've
clearly got their ci all hooked up and it's pumping out like daily or nightly
images that you get updates for i don't know that they have like the binary

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diff stuff that they eventually want to be able to do happening right now so
you know do be aware of that if you're on a connection yeah.
Yeah if you're metered you might you might maybe wait because i'm sure it's
under very rapid development at the moment.
I do think like if you're someone who really likes fresh Plasma and wants to
live dangerously, if you can already make a system like this work where you

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are doing stuff in containers,
you're happy to run stuff in Flatpak or as browser tabs, then for that kind
of workstation, it'd be totally fine.
I asked you guys earlier, who's this for? And I'll tell you what my use case is.
I want to check out Plasma from time to time. And why not spend the weekend in the latest Plasma?
And now that you've got the functionally atomic setup,

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while it is like this brand new setup and maybe you're on these unreleased versions
and all that like that sharp edge is at least somewhat blunted by the fact that
you can roll back if you do have a known good state that's fair.
That's fair you have that sort of safety net.
I'm not saying go switch all your business employees to this but you know.
I mean it right now is very much, it's an MVP it ships with Dolphin Console,

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Arc Spectacle, Discover Infocenter, System Settings and a couple other system
level apps in the base image and then Kate and Firefox are installed via Flatpak.
That's pretty much it, boys.
Lean.
It is. Which I don't mind. Discover is installed, already pre-configured to look at FlatHub.
The one thing that really stands out, though, when you're on a really lean system

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and you open up Discover, I don't know what they're using to pick what shows.
But, like, so if you wanted somebody to be able to sit down and install this
and be able to maybe just add some of the most common applications,
that's not what's on the front page of Discover. It's like a random selection of apps.
So you really have to know what you're looking for, which is fine,

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but it'd be kind of cool just to have, you know, maybe like a curated selection
of like the most go-to apps that people need to get their system working and
functional just right there.
I was really happy to see ButterFS on route. Nice to see that.
And they also have a Z standard compression, as our friends would say, enabled by default.
They also have the SSD flag turned on.

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but ultimately my impression was is plasma 6.5 i get to play with plasma 6.5.
What this.
Is great i don't have to mess up my my whole system just to go play with plasma.
This is another case right where like since they do have all the automation
set up you just get these stamped output regular snapshots of what um what the
trees look like i don't know the exact details but.

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Some of the stuff that i that actually really tickled me in 6.5 has been in
plasma at least for a couple of releases but just for an example the remote
desktop stuff is so nice now,
you go into system settings remote desktops in that there's
a section for it you enable a user
so i turned on i added my user and then

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you check a box and then it gives you your ip and
so i went over to another computer i installed krdp or
whatever it is put in the ip address set no
other settings hit enter and entered my
username and password and i was remote controlling the plasma that plasma machine
a katie linux machine over whalen over whalen on both systems on both ends no

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problem really good performance like i could move the windows around with the
wobble and everything now obviously wait.
With the what what.
Did you say with the wobbles you gotta have the Wobble, right?
I want the absolute latest version of the Wobble. I want nightly Wobble, okay? And I have it now.
And the remote desktop, all that stuff, like the things they've been adding to Plasma,

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It's so well refined and comes together in 6.5. So who's it for?
I think it's for people that want to just experience Plasma.
Maybe you're creating an application and you want to see how it works on kind
of like the reference Plasma desktop.
Because I think that's what this is striving for is the reference Plasma desktop.
And for some users, that's going to be very appealing to them.

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For other folks, it might be something we check in from time to time.
But, I mean, does it feel like an alpha? a little but like you're saying you
can always revert like nate he's been running it for months on on the daily
so it's getting to a point already.
I do think right like we are the ecosystem is adapting now to work better in

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this environment where like what you depend on from that core operating system
is is less and less and that means there's less that you have to get to to get
to sort of minimum viable distro in that sense.
I also get a vibe that maybe there's a long-term goal to create a reference platform for OEMs.
Hardware manufacturers that want to ship laptops or tablets or whatever using

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Plasma. And we also seem to have a bit of a roadmap.
Three additions are planned. Testing, which will be like daily Git builds.
Enthusiast, which will be the beta versions of released KDE software.
And then Stable, which will be only released quality checked software.
So you'll have three additions of KDE Linux eventually. There's only one right now.
Right because.

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It's probably it's all just testing right now but uh that kind of also sort
of slices it up right enthusiasts you could go check out the the enthusiast
track of it or whatever you want to call it or the enthusiast edition i think it's good.
One thing i wonder you know in the ublue world there's it
is very much on like the container side of this tech i wonder you know what

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you see there where it's also encouraged like you can just import that and add
your own layers on top and make your own thing i wonder will people fork this
will there be like you know system extensions or things that become like here's
like an add-on for kd linux obviously not right now but maybe these.
Additions also get me thinking about who is the audience right like uh daily

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get builds i totally get that through testing even maybe enthusiasts you get
bug checkers and things like that but i guess it's natural to put out a stable
but is that really their goal makes me is that maybe for.
The neon folks that have been you know because neon.
Has been based on a boat to lts great so.
Maybe this is yeah for them,

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And if you were going to run it on the daily yourself, that might be the one you want to target.
Because even with the stable version, I'm sure once the next version of Plasma
is considered stable, you get it probably that day.
Although I wonder, because there's the Plasma component, but then there's,
like, if they're using Arch as the upstream, there's the...
That's true.
I don't know how many net packages it is that we could take a look at.

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Maybe that's not a crazy burden, but in theory, that is rolling underneath still that you get snapshots?
Unless they're backporting, you know, there's...
And Chris, maybe it's perfect for you. you run stable most of the time and then
when you want to get that weekend where you get a little preview you just switch
images to testing and give it.
A couple right you could rebase that is one
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(27:39):
future generations that we used to do oh yeah we used to reload the entire system
and we'd we'd we'd format it or some some of us would have separate partitions
or drives for our home folder and we'd move we'd keep that between the reinstalls
and it'd be a couple hours.
Or people had slick setups right on their case so they could switch,
which was like the primary hard drive.
All the switches.
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(28:01):
But now we just rebase and in five minutes you're on the new thing.
Lame.
It is nice though to be able to check things out. You could rebase to testing
for the weekend and then go back to stable.
So interesting. I think it's going to be a distribution to watch,
obviously just because of who's making it.
The security updates will lag a bit behind Arch. They say by a day or so.

(28:23):
Maybe that gives a little insight to the process there. The governance seems
to be run by, quote, a council of elders, according to LWN, with a final arbiter involved.
And if there's ever an end of life to KDE Linux, like they, and I like that
they're talking about this.
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(31:51):
Chris, I got an itch this week, and it's to learn more about how Hypervibe is doing.
You haven't talked about it for, I think, like two weeks now. Is this a bad sign?
We're worried something's wrong.
I'm doing okay. I've been biting my tongue, but some big things happened this
week, so we're going to talk about it a little bit.
While Wes, while we do this segment, attempts to get it running on a laptop

(32:14):
live during the show. So, Wes Payne, are you ready to install Hypervibe on that laptop?
Well, we'll see. As Jeff knows well, you have a notoriously large config.
Yes.
So I think we're going to see what things need to get trimmed down to make this work.
My config highlights the best that free software has to offer.

(32:35):
So there's a lot in there. So it's been a bit. Hyperland 0.51 dropped this week,
and they added a new gesture.
It actually completely reworked the gesture system.
With true one-to-one trackpad gestures, you can map to fingers and modifiers
and all kinds of cool directions, and you can now set scroll factors per device, which is really fun.

(32:55):
That's nice.
So you can dial in the mouse and you can dial in the touchpad and they don't
have to have the same exact scroll settings.
There was a rework on animations. I got a nice polish with smoother transitions for pop-ups.
And screen sharing for Chrome and Firefox is fixed up a little bit with 8-bit
color, so it's a little bit faster.
So I had to incorporate all of this into Hypervibe. And I had to fix up some deprecated configs.

(33:19):
I had to go in and change a few things around the new gesture system.
I got all that refactored. But the thing that was big is I also have a new shared
module stack. So all my hosts now have a consistent base.
And then I have independent configs for each host. And then I've cleaned things
up to make builds go faster. Like I removed WebGTK.

(33:40):
Yeah, I wonder if you didn't push that yet.
Because oh maybe not i'm.
Having to do that right.
Now you're going to be building webg yeah i'm removing.
A bunch i think i i think i got it gone.
Yeah you're not going to want that it takes forever to build and it's telegram
and folate they pull it in and telegram you can just install as a flat pack
so i i guess in the config i haven't committed yet i pulled out telegram as

(34:02):
a package and now it's making.
It harder for me.
I know i'm sorry i also now have fixed
auto updates i had this ridiculous bug where auto updates were
building the wrong version so now
they're locked to my repos flake so the system only
builds against known good configs i overhauled i
overhauled the way bar the clock is cleaner supports multiple time zones in
the drop down now now and some systems people are having problems with the emojis

(34:26):
so i simplified that i also have set up better device rules so android phones
and a lot of usb gear just works without warnings you just plug it in and you
should be able to access your usb device or like your android,
I've moved to Kitty, and I've moved to NerdFonts, and that all looks really nice now.
And I've installed Cursor. I'm playing around with the Cursor editor,

(34:48):
and it should be able to edit the files it needs to edit and things like that.
But all in all, new features, lots of tuning. It is all there.
The new version of Hyperland has launched, and Hypervibe, my distro on Nix,
has taken full advantage of all of them. It's looking real beautiful.
In fact, I was telling Brent before the show that I like the setup so much that

(35:09):
I'm working from home more just because with an ultra-wide screen and the tiling
window manager, I can achieve a lot of the productivity I feel like I get with multiple monitors.
I don't think it's a one-to-one, but it's pretty close.
And it's great for work and it's great for gaming because I have GameScope and

(35:29):
GameMode and all that stuff.
So when you launch games, it's a full, ready-to-go gaming system.
And when you want to work, it's really nice. and I've got key combinations that
launch groups of applications and position them where I need them and all of it.
It's just, I've been very happy. And I think it's going to be hard to go back
to a non-tiling workflow.
Well, why do you need to?
I don't know. I don't know why you ever would. I don't know why you ever would. Okay, Wes Payne.

(35:55):
I might be ready to try.
No way, really? You got around WebGTK that quick? You stripped her down, didn't you?
I did. I did notice you have a few a bit of duplication in here that.
Is the old config.
Yes because.
I did actually go through and remove some of the dupes.
Because I was like why do I have to remove element a couple of different times
yeah that's me you had some old plasma 5 packages that had to get removed yeah.

(36:19):
That is the old I'm sorry,
No, I need what I know. No, this is whole. I wanted him to review what I got wrong.
And problem is, is that I do kind of like batch commits.
So I've changed a lot of things. And then I do one commit. And I just try to
put all my changes in that commit.

(36:39):
Because otherwise, I'd be committing stuff all the time.
Well, Chris, there's a good way to use Git and a less good way to use Git. Just saying.
Tell me more.
Or Wes will tell you after the show.
Am I using it wrong? Am I getting wrong, boys? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
That you're getting at all is a huge success. So please don't stop.

(36:59):
Speaking of Git, we thought it'd be fun to kind of what Wes is doing with my
Hypervibe config right now.
Let's do for anybody. I wonder if we couldn't even make an episode out of it.
So we want, once again, we're putting the call out for you to send us your configs.
But we want to do it a little differently this time. We'll take a look at them.
We'll call out what you got good. I love that part. We'll even call out if we're

(37:21):
copying anything you've got.
And we'll call out the bad. So it's like, you know, it's all out there.
And we may suggest a few improvements. And we want to be able to actually commit
those improvements back. So we're going to put a link in the show notes for people to submit.
Have we decided the best way for them to send it to us?
I think however they, you know, send a boost email.
No, no. I mean, like, we need it somewhere where we can get it.

(37:44):
I think we'll just have to fork as we go.
Okay. So just put it somewhere where you can link it to us. So send it in as
a boost or send an email and link it to us, and then we'll grab it.
That'll work. That'll work. And we want your Nix configs.
And then maybe we'll put together like a list of the ones that we receive or
something and then link out to them.
Is there any other configs we want people to send in besides Nix configs that
we want to look at? I mean, I just love config setups.

(38:08):
Sweet Ansible setups. That's fine, too.
I'd be down for that. Yeah. So boost them in with a link or email them in so we can take a look.
and tell you what we think of them.
You know, if you got like a real dope Docker composed yam, we'll send that in.
Apparently we got a Hyperland guy here.
Hey-o. Okay, West Payne. So we're going to let you keep going.
We'll give you through the next segment.

(38:31):
We're going into the last half of the show. So you've got a little bit over there.
We'll see how it goes. So ladies and gentlemen, stand by why West Payne tries
to build Hypervibe on a laptop that's old and slow. yeah.
We do have we are doing a little bit of finishing building hyperland so there's that going on.
Uh-huh yeah so that's always it's always pulling in the absolute latest

(38:53):
i it's one of the funny things actually was i knew about the new gesture stuff
before uh the hyperland announcement of the new release because they broke in
my config because i'm running i'm running raw man and so i i was fixing stuff
in line as as uh they were getting published to the hyperland repo okay,

(39:13):
Keep going, Wes Payne.
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(39:34):
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(39:57):
And if you know what I mean, you know what I mean. Now, I got a note from Alan
in Texas. He says, in your latest read, you mentioned you wanted to hear people
with their Unraid setups.
Well, I am running Unraid on a Dell PowerEdge R730XD as my home server.
It's running a couple of VMs for Home Assistant, PFSense, and a Minecraft server
on Ubuntu, and a couple of Linux distros to play around with.

(40:19):
There are also several containers for Image, Jellyfin, Nextcloud,
Pinchflat, Matrix, Minifold, Vault Warden, and more.
I've been busy with work, so it needs some love. I'm not really sure if that's
worth sharing, but if you guys want to pull the trigger on Linux Unplugged Homelab
Extreme Makeover Podcast, I could be a prime candidate. I would love to do that, Alan.
Thank you for sending that note in about your Unraid setup. I love hearing what people use it for.

(40:43):
I'm going to check out Minifold. I know everything on that list.
I'm not sure if I'm familiar with Minifold.
I might check that out after the show. So go get set up with Unraid and then
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(41:05):
Unraid.net slash unplugged. That's unrayed.net slash unplugged.
Well, this week we want to do a big shout out to core contributor Pierre G.
Thank you very much for joining the core contributor team and the party.
Yay! I hope you get the bootleg this week. Check it out. Let us know what you think.

(41:28):
At Brantley, we had a bunch of people take advantage of the fake boost link
to support the Linux Fest trip to Texas.
Can you remind, what the heck is a fake boost?
Yeah, so I created a page that lets you use PayPal, Venmo, on-chain, or Lightning.
And the reason why I'm calling it, and I'm calling it teasingly a fake boost,

(41:49):
because you can put your name or a username, a handle, and a message in there, like a boost.
It doesn't actually use the boost payments system, but it kind of replicates
the experience of who you are, amount, and message. So it can give you.
Um, and so Jordan Bravo took advantage of it with 10,000 sats.

(42:10):
He says, have some sats for the Texas Linux fest.
I also hope you consider attending self next year. Since I live in Georgia,
self is the only Linux conference I can reasonably travel. Oh yeah.
Yeah. It makes sense.
We get that one. Do you want to take the next one, Mr. Payne?
I know you're in the middle over there.
Let me, I got to scroll up.
Oh yeah. I know. Brad and I could do it too. If you got a build to take it.
I know you're in the middle of that.

(42:30):
Matt M. Fake Bootson with 250 USD.
Yes. thank you sir i think that deserves a baller.
Yeah it's not a fake boost at all that's some value thank you man i've been
listening and watching since the linux action show all right and i'm hopeful
for at least another 12 years of linux.
Unplugged yeah i love it yeah hopefully.

(42:53):
This will help with part of the hotel cost thanks to the whole team for all
your dedication and hard work oh well thank you thank.
You by hotel i think he means you know the bus we're all gonna just pile in
right oh yeah isn't that the plan that's the whole that was the long-term plan
wasn't it uh-huh we got us a blender cat sending in a little message with a fake boost of 105 usds.

(43:16):
Not bad at all thank you sir.
Blender cat says i hope to see you all at texas linux fest okay.
Blender cat you got to come up and
you got to identify yourself you got to introduce yourself Splendor cat.
Now. Yeah, please. Or wear a shirt or something.
I will accept a pantomime as well.
Okay. Matt F. came in with $50 and said, get some great barbecue.

(43:41):
Thank you, Matt F. Appreciate that.
Can I just say, do not blend cats. Thank you.
Yeah, okay.
Crash Master comes in with $50.
Hey, Crash Master.
For Texas Linux Fest, get some good recipes from members in Austin for the lunch.
Good call. Good call.
Hey, wait, you can't call it that. Well, Vince P boosted in.

(44:01):
Oh, no, that's not a boost. It's a fake boost. 200 USDs.
Hey, 200.
Wow, thank you, Vince.
Vince says, cheers, boys, and enjoy the fest.
Thank you. D came in with $150.

(44:22):
D says, here's some Fiat fun for the meat coma.
Much required. Thank you.
Phil J comes in with a fiver. Enjoy the trip, guys. Listener since 2020.
All right.
Started with self-hosted.
Yeah.
All the best to the JB team. Looking forward to hearing your coverage.
Cheers from Switzerland.
Thank you, Phil.
Wonderful.

(44:43):
We will do you proud.
I've never heard of this guy. Carl George, a.k.a. Mr. Pocket Meat,
fake boosted in a little 50.
Nice.
50 for the group. This isn't looking great.
It says nothing but barbecue. That's how you know it's Carl.
Three letters. BBQ.
Barbecue, yeah.
I think this counts as pocket meat.

(45:03):
Uh-oh, Wes Payne. What is it?
Failed to start display manager.
You don't need that.
What? Why? It is, it may be geared up for- We started our.
Power top tuning, so that's good.
I guess all my systems are AMD. Maybe that's, hmm. Oh, that's a bummer.
That's a bummer. The Hypervibe fail. Well, you could keep poking at it, I suppose.

(45:25):
I'll take Noah here. Noah came in with $5.
Thanks for all the great content over the years. Safe travels.
Thank you, Noah. Appreciate it.
Oh, good. Postgres is running, so that worked. oh good yeah it's ready to run
as a server not so much as a desktop.
Isn't that the intention.
Oh man Donnie came in with $200,

(45:51):
Keep up the great work and event coverage. Thanks for setting up this payment
method for the lazy folks like me.
Thanks, Donnie. We still love you.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
Well, Brandon R. sent us one of those fake bees of 20 US dollars.
Nice.
Have fun in Texas and enjoy the barbecue.
We will. Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

(46:12):
Joseph B. came in with 20 bucks. Finally, I can send some money without having
to buy Bitcoin. I bet. Yeah.
I thought that might be appealing to some of you out there.
We still love you.
Thank you, Joseph.
Well, Sunbake sent us 40 US dollars.
Nice.
Some for the trip. Here's some help from the other WA, Western Australia.

(46:35):
We're three times bigger than Texas, but have many times less Linux vests.
Looking forward to hearing all about it.
Can I just say how awesome the international support is to get us to go cover a Texas Linux event?
No kidding.
I really, really, really appreciate that. Thank you, Sunbaked.
David H. comes in with $100.
All right.
I've gotten much more than this amount in value from you folks and look forward

(46:57):
to the continued great work. I was also lucky to attend the 600 meetup sometime ago.
Have a great trip, David, in Burlington.
Well, thank you, David.
From around the world to right around the corner.
Yeah, really. No kidding. All right. So our total of fake booths so far,
this is the grand total for the last two weeks, is $1,245.

(47:20):
Hmm. That's like the combination I have on my luggage.
You're right. I didn't even notice that. That's pretty interesting. Pretty close.
That is darn near almost exactly in the range of what the VRBO is probably going to cost us.
We found some that are probably about in the 10 to 15 minute range drive. I will warn you boys.

(47:41):
It is nothing fancy. so i'm staying.
In the van is that what you're saying.
Maybe i mean it's it's serviceable it's got bedrooms
um but it's not but we're all we need we're going for
budget and with this we're going to be able to secure the vrbo weeks before
we head down so thank you everyone that is a major cost that has been solved
uh we still have gas we have hotel on the way down and probably on the way back

(48:04):
and any meetup related costs that we are still fundraising for but this is a
huge milestone and for the trip support,
we at least know we can secure a place to land.
If we can knock out a few more of those expenses with the boost,
that would be fantastic, but we really appreciate everybody that sent in the fake boost.
If you want to do that, we still have the links in the show notes.
It will still be available. It automatically gets tagged for Texas Linux Fest,

(48:27):
and you get to put your name and a message on it.
Thank you, everybody, who sent in a fake boost, and now let's get to the boost.
And how about this? Adversary 17 is our baller booster this week with 256,000 sets.

(48:48):
Wow.
Adversaries write sats for the Texas trip. Well, thank you, adversaries.
We really appreciate that.
That is a fantastic boost, and that is going right to the trip budget. To Texas we go, boys.

(49:14):
I like that you have stuff in here that, I don't know if you were yelling at
the machine or what, but it has stuff, and it just says, preserving your existing config in all caps.
I had to make it clear. I had to make it really clear.
Well KRHill94 boosted in real clear With a hundred thousand cents Short and

(49:40):
sweet For Texas Linux Fest Heck yeah We appreciate it Thank.
You 94 Really appreciate that That's great Right to the fund it goes.
Well we got a Padre here Sending in 71,282 Satoshis Okie dokie,

(50:02):
here is a linux fast boost from a first-time booster hey.
Oh thank you for getting it all set up appreciate that effort too.
I started my dev journey on the lamp stack but life took a different direction
i became a catholic priest about 20 years ago i came across jb by way of self-hosted
which gave me an outlet to reignite my love of devops so naturally now i run

(50:26):
a ramshackle home lab on half a dozen old PCs and Macs.
Half of my church's IT needs are on top of NixOS, thanks to Chris and the Badger.
I don't spend a lot of time on Linux, but I do love the show and the network.
Prayers for a safe journey to Texas Linux Fest and thanks for the hard work on that old JB.
P.S. The total of these boots should be a zip code, but only time will tell.

(50:51):
Thank you, Padre. That is a great boost. I love to hear that NixOS has creeped
in and brace yourself Wes because actually,
All right, so this is the total of this boost should be a zip code,
but only time will tell. What does that mean?

(51:12):
I feel like it's a riddle.
All right, and then you just spin the map around, you put your lucky finger
down, and you land on Tallulah, Louisiana.
Louisiana? Tallulah?
I don't know if that's if I'm saying it right, but T-A-L-L-U-L-A-H.
That's fantastic.
In Madison Parish.
Will I be driving through there to get to Texas?

(51:34):
I don't know. Take a look at the map, Brent. We just had it out.
Can you unfold it a bit more? You're kind of hiding the section I need.
We were going to ask you what your route was, but you're asking us.
I know. This is not how this works.
Boosting what you think my route should be. Thank you.
He doesn't know. Biggles knows. He came in with 50,000 sats.

(51:56):
Thank you, sir. Looking forward to the Texas Linux Fest coverage.
Here is my small contribution. Not small at all. We really appreciate any value people can contribute.
it is extremely humbling and,
comforting isn't the right word but to know
that the Linux audience that chooses to listen to our podcast at least has our

(52:16):
back you know like there's a community behind us we're going to go down there
and we've been doing this for a long time so you know we're going to deliver
right you know we're going to do it you know we're going to try to have a good
time too and we're going to try to get you great coverage and come back with a solid episode
so any amount people can contribute is really appreciated thank you Thank you for the boost pickles.
Chlorophore comes in with 47,180 sats.

(52:43):
This is a live zip code boost Westpain. So you're doing double duty right now.
He said, I agree. I hadn't heard one for a while. So here is a zip code boost. It's 47180.
Oh, here comes the map again. Going from hyperbuild to map Like a machine Is.

(53:06):
That a hypermap?
Okay, what do we got here? We got 50,000?
4-7-1-8-0 4-7-1-8-0 Oh, I see.
I was one back Yeah, there we go,
That explains why I was in the water.
Yeah, you're way off on the map. That's right. I think you got to go over there. There you go.
Not next to the oil rig.

(53:27):
Ah, careful.
It might be metric too, Wes, just in case.
Ooh, I hope not. Metric zip codes are hard. You got to do the conversion.
Is it in progress?
I think there's a hint here. It is, yeah. The pause. What is this last bit here,
Brent? You need to read that. The pause.
I would prefer if you read it, but you know, if you really need me to. You sure?
Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

(53:50):
Pozdrowinia poloski this is i think polish i have a teeny tiny bit in my old
roots but i i don't got the language i apologize for everything i just did.
How's the zip code uh search going over there west not so good yeah.
There is a 47-180.

(54:11):
In poland oh okay i think.
I think you're i.
Don't know if this is right though I.
Think you're over the target, at least. Thank you. Appreciate it,
Chlorophore. You've kind of stumped us, but I think we're close.
Yeah, I'm going to have to do some more research and maybe get a bigger map.
Damn, comes in with 43,100 sats.
Thank you. First time booster. Yes. Thank you. Long time party member.

(54:36):
Oh, my goodness. Thank you.
I use Linux every day as a visual effects artist working mostly on TV commercials. What?
Neat.
We need to know more about this. I got my start by accidentally wiping the family
PC with RHEL 2.1 in high school been.
There doesn't that happen to everyone.
Man when I screwed up the family PC dad was so mad he says thanks to JBI almost

(54:58):
all my installs are now Nix OS I hope this gets a tank of gas for the Texas Linux Fest thank you sir,
I'd love to know more about using Linux for the visual effects stuff even just
software distros what works what doesn't work that's fascinating really appreciate
the boost thank you for taking the time to get that all plumbed up.
Well tomato or maybe it's tomato sends in 28 000 sets.

(55:24):
There you go uh.
This might be a haiku but i don't know my poems so here we go i
nodes at night are big and bright deep in
the heart of linux the h top sky is wide
and high deep in the heart of linux fedora's whale along the trail deep in that
heart of linux the nixies rush around the brush deep in the heart of linux these

(55:49):
are some sats to help you with your trip to that old 28th state yeehaw.
I like that thank you very much tomato nice to hear from you exocena comes in with 25 000 sats,

(56:10):
Almost 10 months since my last booth. Sorry about that. But I have perfected
my NextCloud. He calls it my NextCloud.
With one command in the terminal, you can create a ready-to-boot SD card image
for a Raspberry Pi 4 or 5 with NixOS and NextCloud ready to go.
Automatic mounting of USB devices and NextCloud external storage and peer-to-peer

(56:35):
remote connectivity enabled.
You can check it out on my GitHub. up we'll put a link it is a jjack 13 or jj
13 slash nix club we'll put a link in the show notes
the direct p2p connection with no firewall or no ports exposed
it'll work behind your net all you have to do is just scan a qr code you can
also install it on your existing nix system he has a link for that too he says

(56:59):
i also have a pr pending for emerging nix packages when i first tried it blew
my mind you gotta give it a try thanks for the show keep it up that is an awesome project It.
Looks like these peer-to-peer tunnels are from a project called Wholesale.
Wholesale.io looks completely open source, free for some P2P good action.
I should give this a look.

(57:19):
Thanks for letting us know, and thank you for the boost. We'll put those links
in the show notes if people want to check them out.
Augustine boosts in with 20,000 sets.
Hey-o!
My summer vacay started with the mother-in-law's dog sitting on the Ethernet
cable that's plugged into the ISP's little fiber box.
No.
Completely wrecking it.

(57:40):
Oh. That was bad placement, I just gotta say.
So we were cut off from the outside world for two weeks. The ISP was not quick in fixing it.
Oh, that's so frustrating.
That's ouch, yeah.
Oh, man.
This, however, showed self-hosting's true colors. We could still watch shows,
movies, and listen to music from Jellyfin.
And I could listen to audiobooks as well as catching up on Linux Unplugged episodes

(58:02):
that I downloaded with Audio Bookshelf.
That's so great.
It feels as one is cheating the system.
I totally agree with that.
Even though I do think this is how the system and tech and services should work.
Yes.
Here's some sets for the road.
Thank you, Augustin. That's really great. Boy, you and I are locked in on that vibe.
Let me tell you, it's so great, especially when you're offline and it's still

(58:25):
working. It's just, whoo.
It's how technology should be, but it ain't always that way. Appreciate the boost.
I just want to take a moment here to pause and say that was all of our baller boosts.
We haven't even gotten to the slightly less baller boosters, so thank you, everyone.
Now, SatStacker7 did send in two boosts for a total of 7,000 sats.

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Hey, it's me, the user who pinged Wes about using Mesh Sidecar with Paperless
Module and apparently triggered last week's Paperless Deep Dive.
Yep, it's your fault.
I am glad to hear you tried it and liked it as much as I do.
I paired it with the old ScanSnap iX1500 duplex scanner and connected it over
USB to the machine where Paperless is running.

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I can recommend the Sane project for scanning on Linux combined with the command
line tool Sane Scan PDF that acts as a wrapper and lets you configure scan jobs.
I've heard it works really well. I mean, ultimately, you just need to get that
PDF into the consume folder.
And so you can do that with any old scanner that can out. It doesn't have to

(59:34):
be a PDF, but I think that's probably the preferred format.
But what I love about this setup is with Sane PDF, All your scans go to PDF.
It just produces that PDF.
You could have it go scan directly to the consume folder, which is probably
what SatStacker is doing, and then it just gets imported.
That's pretty nice. All right, so again, that was the SnapScan IX1500 duplex scanner.

(59:56):
Getting tips from the pro. I like it. Thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Okay, Groovy came in with 2,000 sats.
No mess is just value, which we always appreciate. Thank you very much.
Poppy Boosin with 7,832 sats.
Uh-oh Wes guess what zip code is a better deal I love it it's.

(01:00:17):
Just such a good deal.
It is such a great deal,
this is we appreciate the zip code boost we're making Wes work today he is earning
his split that is for sure okay so we got 7.
8, 3, 2 but first multiply by 11 so naturally Chris as you know that's 86,152.

(01:00:37):
But then you need to add 1 for the zip code okay Sure we do I love it,
Let's use parenthesis I don't mind holding the corner if you want me to hold
on to that I know it's big Just hold it still Wes I don't know why I have to move it around so much.

(01:01:00):
Alright do I got this right 7, 8, 3, 2 multiplied by 11 Plus 1 So is that 86.
153 That's my math.
There you go.
Okay, well, let me double check here. We got a couple of leads.
Oh, my God. With the math and all. Okay, what you got for me, Wes?

(01:01:23):
What you got for me? Maybe this is a postal code in Germany?
Augsburg? A city in the state of Bavaria.
Oh, nice.
That's going to be my official map guess this time around for 86153.
Thanks, Pappy. Let us know if we got it right. That's great.
Doornail7887 is here with 4,444 stats. That's a big duck.

(01:01:44):
Texas Linux Fest, baby. Also, would you mind doing a quick tutorial on setting
up a small matrix server again?
I want to join my matrix, but of course, I want to do it the hard way and use
my own instead of someone else's.
What is the best way to do this if we don't want to make it publicly routable?
Is this possible, or does it need to be online for many use cases, for his use cases?

(01:02:05):
Well, you probably do need to be online in order to, what do they call it, Wes, when you bridge?
Talk to other people.
There's like a terminology, though.
Federation.
Yeah, when you federate, thank you, when you federate. So you will want it online,
but there's a lot of ways you can do that.
Honestly, I think home matrix servers are a really good idea if you're up for
the config, which is a bit of an uphill climb, but there's a couple of options

(01:02:26):
out there, the Ansible route being probably the most popular.
You can throw it on a VPS, a pretty cheap one for just a handful of users,
and that might be the way to do it.
And I think that's one of the brilliant things about Matrix.
We shouldn't all be reliant on matrix.org.
We are looking into Matrix-in-a-box type solutions to recommend to people,
So if anybody out there has some suggestions, obviously we are aware of the
Ansible solution, but that might be a bit of a lift for some folks.

(01:02:49):
So boost in if you, uh, if you have any suggestions for that.
Well, Jordan Bravo sends in a good old row of ducks.
Yay.
Uh, I thought this was an automated message, but it's not. It says no message, just value.
Always appreciate that. Hey, guess who's back? Aaron's here with 3,333 sats.

(01:03:12):
I just spent six hours troubleshooting why my games were running at two frames
per second after updating to the NVIDIA driver 580 on Kubuntu.
Turns out, you also need to update the Flatpak NVIDIA components to match the driver version.
Insert facepalm here. So, if any other noobs like me are running into the same
problem and have Steam installed through Flatpak, make sure you're running Flatpak

(01:03:33):
update. You can do that on the command line, just Flatpak update,
if you've installed the new NVIDIA driver recently.
I'm kind of feeling like Chuck E. Cheese out here, boys.
Hey, Aaron, you got it working, though. That is, there are multiple layers there. It's a good tip.
That's also, yeah, great PSA. Thank you.

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Hey, and even in the thanks today, we got a Texas boost from MJVC with a little
tiny binary boost, 1-0-1-0.
Awesome.
Sats for the trip.
Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Also, stream sats as you listen.
25 of you did that, and collectively, You stacked 31,884 sats.
When you combine that with our boosters, we stacked a really incredible 700,287 sats.

(01:04:35):
We're getting really close. I'm feeling really good about it.
I think we're getting, I mean, it's happening.
That's what I feel like. I mean, we were committed, but we can really start
actually doing this now. We can book places.
I don't know if we're fully there yet, but I just really want to say a huge
thank you for everybody for reaching out and doing this. Think about what we're achieving here.
We're doing something that traditionally

(01:04:55):
has been funded by commercial entities that want an exchange.
They want us to do something for them or cover their product while we're there,
whatever it might be, which sometimes is a good fit, but not always. and this time it wasn't.
And we're doing this now with our community and our audience.
And it's open source content creation at this point. It really is.
And we're going 12 years strong.
We're going to get down there. We're going to have a great time,
thanks to our audience, for the 12th anniversary and get us set up for another great 12 years.

(01:05:20):
Thank you, everybody, who supported it, either with a fake boost or a boosty boost.
And if you'd like to do that, you can get in on the action with Fountain FM.
It's probably the easiest way. Or AlbiHub.
And then you can just use any of the apps that support that.
It's also a great way to get started. And of course, a big shout out to our
members who are supporting us every single week.
You're our foundation out there. We really, really do appreciate you too.

(01:05:42):
Okay, how about a couple of picks before we get out of here?
And then we'll check in on how the old hyper build is going one last time.
So the first pick this week is, it's a genre now. I think it's officially safe
to say the lazy genre is a thing.
And we have a new entrance. It's Lazy SSH.
A terminal-based SSH manager inspired by Lazy Docker.

(01:06:03):
Lazy SSH is a two-week and an interactive SSH manager that sits on top of just
different directories for managing quite literally a fleet of SSH servers if
you want. I mean, I have like a handful, right?
A dozen maybe that I want SSH into, which is nice for.
So you can navigate and connect and manage and transfer files between your local
machine and any server that's defined in your SSH config.

(01:06:27):
You don't have to remember the IP addresses. You don't really have to worry
about SCP commands anymore. it all takes care of it with a clean, keyboard-driven TUI.
It's really sweet. It looks really good. And it's got fuzzy search,
so if you kind of remember the machine's name or IP, if it's been a while.
One key press SSH into selected servers. You can tag servers like prod,
dev. You can sort by alias or last time you logged in.

(01:06:50):
Okay, I'll have to give this a try. It does look like quite a nice little two-way.
It is.
I like all the color highlighting and stuff too. It seems like I should have needed this years ago.
I'm loving the lazy. You know, we have lazy Vim. We have lazy Git.
we have lazy docker and now we have lazy ssh it's pretty new it's 93 percent

(01:07:10):
written in go and it's apache licensed so uh you can go have fun with it and
we'll put a link to that in the show notes for y'all you can check that out.
Now do you have um lazy hyper vibe because.
I think we might need that uh-oh okay.
Well i was able to figure out that well you had auto login going on.

(01:07:30):
Oh, really?
Yeah, you have GDM running, and then it does auto-logging.
So that must be doing, okay, yeah.
So I turn that off, and then, so GDM's working again. It was just core dumping before.
But now, when I try to log in, Hyperland core dumps.
Oh, man. Do you have any suspicions as to why?

(01:07:51):
I'm looking at the logs.
failed to create DRI2 screen LibGL warning Hyperland has crashed oh there's a crash report yeah.
I wonder if you're it's interesting I wonder which base config it uses when
I have two different systems well we're going to play around with that I.

(01:08:12):
Based it on Nixstation.
That makes sense Nixstation has multi screens,
RVB is a more simpler system with only one screen,
picked wrong you might have you might have been there if you picked the rvb
route i don't know but clearly i still have more work to do and i have one more
pick wes actually found this one is called term dot everything term dot everything

(01:08:36):
is a linux command line program to run gui windows inside your terminal quality
of the window is limited to the number of rows and columns in your terminal,
But I mean it. If you've got a newer terminal like Kitty or iTerm2 or something
that supports some video rendering,
you could take your desktop applications and you can put them in the terminal.

(01:08:59):
Wes, I don't know how the hell you found this thing.
That is bonkers.
And how I didn't find it during our freaking terminal challenge.
Well, yeah, no kidding. It works on both X11 and Wayland.
and in the video demonstration, they show somebody taking their Firefox web
browser that's watching a YouTube video and pulling it into the terminal and

(01:09:21):
then it's being rendered by terminal characters and they're watching a video.
What is going on? This just completely short circuits my brain.
There's another screenshot here and the description is Behold as I play a video
game in a font, in a web browser, in a terminal transmitted over SSH with one
hand tied behind my back.

(01:09:43):
This is our kind of guy.
Yeah, I think it hooks in as like a Wayland renderer. Like it talks the Wayland
protocol, but then it uses the terminal to...
Right. So only certain terminals are going to support this. Kitty,
which comes pre-installed on Hypervibe, does support this though.
So, I mean, this is next level stuff.
This is next level stuff. Go check out the link in the show notes just so you

(01:10:05):
can see what the heck we're going on about right now.
You're not going to believe what they've been able to do with this app and it's
gpl3 so absolutely crazy and bonkers,
and worth just going and looking at the videos that they have embedded on the
github page even if you don't install it just go marvel friends at what is possible and uh,
Try it out, maybe. That's all I got. I could use a few good picks if people want to send those in.

(01:10:29):
If you're looking for an excuse to support our trip to Texas Linux Fest and
you want to include a pick in your message, I'd love to have that.
Of course, we're going to be wrapping up this whole getting to Texas Linux Fest,
essentially next Sunday. It's kind of the last one before we're hitting the road.
And it's getting really close, you guys. It's getting really close.
Also, I'll put a link to Hypervibe. It's on my GitHub. I'd love you to go check it out.

(01:10:50):
We'll maybe fix up some of this stuff and we'll do a new commit.
should probably have done a commit before we got down this route but I'd love
you to check it out and give me your feedback we'll have that linked in the
show notes and if you give KDE Linux a go we'd love to also capture that experience
too we will be live next week.
That's right make it a Tuesday on a Sunday join us 10 a.m. Pacific 1 p.m.

(01:11:15):
Eastern you can get more show that way we always have the mumble room going
and our live chat but we have a pro tip for folks Wes before we get out of here
we have a couple extra benefits.
That's right if you want to skip right to your favorite content.
Check out our cloud chapters yeah they're.
Right there in your podcast.
Client and.
If you need to get even more fine grain we have transcripts.

(01:11:37):
So you can follow along links to what we talked about linuxunplugged.com slash
632 thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of your unplugged
program see you right back here next Sunday.

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