635: The Texas Linux Fest Special

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Hello friends and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
My name is Wes.
And my name is Brent.
Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming up on the show today, we have had one wild week
getting to and here at Texas Linux Fest.
We'll tell you all about that. Then we're gonna round out the show with some
great shout outs, some picks and a lot more. It's a packed episode.

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Well, we don't have a lot of housekeeping since we are now down here in Texas
LinuxFest. We will be returning home and we'll have more about that.
The Texas tracker is still live for our return trip.
And we still will also have the fake boost if you'd like to help us with the
return effort on gas and food.

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And kind of along those lines, we got a note from the Darowich,
or as we like to say, the Big D developer.
Brent Lee, tell us about the note we got from the author of the very software
we use to track our journey.
Yeah, this is so sweet. Very, very, very cool for us to see.
Here's the message. Hi, my name is Evgeny.
Sorry, I got that wrong. Hi, my name is Evgeny, and I'm the Dvaric author.

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Love what you did with the Dvaric API. Awesome job.
FYI, family location sharing is coming soon, although it might not be applicable
to your use case, which admittedly is a very strange use case,
where everyone has their own devarage instance but still i thought you might be interested cheers.
I'm very interested in family service yeah i'm very interested in that.

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And also props to the great api i mean it was a super useful tool it was really
easy to get the api key and start
pulling down the data so you know it was kind of a great thing for us.
Too it made for the perfect tracker for this use case it didn't didn't require
a big lift on our end we just ran low-end simple clients on our mobile devices
and it was so thank you so much for writing into it was really great to hear

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from you and for building such a cool project.
So having that live tracker was really fun. I mean, it was fun for us.
We heard from people at Texas Linux Fest. They enjoyed it.
But it really put us into the zone, in the headspace of, oh, we are in a race here.
What? We were racing?
Yeah. Well, yeah, because, you know, when we recorded last week,

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Chris and I, we were still at home. But Brent, you and your cats, a.k.a.
Team Moose, Cosmo, Emmett, and Brent, well, you were already on the road,
and you'd actually made pretty significant progress.
And our team, Team Bigfoot, we hadn't even started. I mean, I wasn't even fully packed yet.
I mean, we got on the road. I woke up. I did one last load of laundry. I met Chris in Olympia.

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And that was mid-morning on Monday, so we were already feeling the heat.
After almost eight hours of driving right on the nose, we have stopped for our
first meal of the day in Pendleton, Oregon, and we're just trying to debate how far we want to get.
We're kind of thinking Boise now, but we'd like to put the fear into Brent.
Yeah, we were thinking maybe as far into Utah as we could possibly get.

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But then we remembered we actually do have to sleep. Yeah.
Yeah, we don't want to kill ourselves before we get there, so...
Probably Boise. We'll see. It's just the desire to put the fear into Brent is strong.
The motivation, even on the first day, because, you know, you set the tone,
Brent, with that almost 600-mile journey you did on your first day.

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Oh, yeah.
And we're like, so not only are we two days behind, we have an additional 600
miles on Brent that we have to travel, and he's gotten this incredible head start.
So it was hard, but we did stop for the night in the Idaho area and rested.
But it was one of those, you know, hit your head on the pillow and then wake
up in the morning and get right back on the road.

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Because the entire time, we know Brent has a key tactical advantage over us.
And that is, once you get tired.
I just sleep wherever I want to, really.
You pull over, you cuddle up with the kitties, and there you go.
Rest stop, middle of a parking lot somewhere.
And then additionally, like when you want to leave, you don't have to pack anything up.
I mean, like you may maybe have some things out, but like you don't have to

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like get your luggage and get that back down into the car and check out.
Like you just tidy up and start the engine and drive and you're generally pretty close to the highway.
I don't have to talk to anybody.
Right.
Well, that does mean his engine has to start, but that's a separate matter.
That's a separate issue. But for Wes and I, it meant at some point we had to
decide, are we going to keep going or not?
Okay. If we're not, where are we going to stop? Can we find a place?

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Can we book it? Is it too expensive? because we're trying to do this on a shoestring budget.
And then it's generally off the beaten path a bit to get there.
So you're killing 20 minutes driving there.
I didn't consider that.
Yeah, we weren't staying in downtown Boise, right?
Right, right, because we're going for budget.
Yeah, I was like always 100 feet off of my route.
So that was something we had to constantly do the math on and try to decide

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if it was worth it to stop or not. But we did.
We took it easy the first night. Day two, we made some progress.
It's day two. We just stopped for lunch in the fairly cute town of Helper,
Utah, taking a little stroll by the water.
Yeah, they've got a nice little park. They've got an old train on display.
What do you think, though? Like, are we having some of the worst driving luck

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just with the storms? We seem to be chasing.
We're storm chasers on this trip. We're chasing the storm.
Yeah, I mean, I think we've seen more lightning just in the past two days than
I've seen in, like, the past year to date.
And it's been mostly just sloppy, wet driving.
Oh, man. It's like one half of the car is in a creek, you know.

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And then, like, only one half of the car actually has traction on the ground.
So it was another reason we got off and decided to stop here.
But now the storm approaches because we got ahead of it sufficiently,
but now it's catching up again, so we can't stop for too long.
Plus, we don't want the moose to get that far ahead. He's on the road right now.
Yeah, we're always checking the tracker. When we stop for lunch,
we're checking the tracker, and you can hear in the background,

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the storm was catching up to us.
So day two for us was day four for Brent.
I hate that still.
So day two for you, because I couldn't keep track of where you guys.
Were during.
All this so was that monday or was that tuesday.
That would have been tuesday wow yeah okay all right and so you you know at
this point you're doing pretty good not that you didn't do great but you're

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doing pretty good and it's day four and it kicks off for brent he's outside
of a hilton um with maybe a little extra time on his hands ah.
Well just as i was getting the top cover off of the generator i got that old
knock uh i guess they weren't too happy with a post-apocalyptic elliptic looking

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van parked at the Hilton.
but that's okay so i packed up through the sneaky solar panel back in the van,
and uh i guess we're just gonna drive for a bit there's no there's like no shade
around here just i'm dying so chris and wes i damn you.

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Tuesday was not a good first day or good start of the day for rent.
Like in that moment i realized i
chose a vehicle to drive to texas that didn't have
any functioning air conditioning while going down the road you were very generous
to say hey brent um hey you do have like an air conditioner on there i know
it runs like off ac power but you also have a generator yeah the generator you

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know you haven't spent any time trying to fix it and making sure it works before
the trip but maybe you could at this point yeah you.
Were at a good spot but you got the knock.
Oh man i thought it was perfect because it was like 11 a.m something like that.
And i had slept.
There overnight and nobody knocked.
You're actually you're lucky you made it that far you're lucky you made it to 11 a.m.
To tell you the truth that's a very good point but when i parked there overnight

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it was the parking lot was filled with rvs and campers like a bunch of cars and stuff but,
i might have slept in a little because i had this yeah you were real lead on
the race and when i woke up i was one of two cars in the whole parking lot so
i don't think that was good for me Yeah.
You lost your cover.
I mean, I don't think it would have been so bad if that was the worst that Tuesday
got for you, but it actually got worse.

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That's true.
So what are we hearing here.
Well this is me driving on

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the interstate for about the last 40 seconds
and something breaking on the van as
i just accelerate to try to get on the interstate and make some miles finally
and i realize something's very wrong and that is the sound of something being
caught in the cooling fan and it's just whipping around hitting everything in
the engine bay and causing havoc and i realized something's very wrong this

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is the very first van breakdown.
Oh man we.
Knew it would happen.
Well but we didn't.
Know where or when.
We didn't want it to happen no we didn't we didn't want it to.
Happen sure sure sure we.
Knew it would help us we knew it would help us in the race but we weren't sure
uh how bad it was and brett you got right to work.
Well i knew the van would break at some point.
So you got.

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I brought some tools you brought your tools i brought coveralls i
brought i don't know a sense of i can fix it
i got really lucky though
because i was at a rest stop and i took my time uh and
i thought okay i gotta get back on the road and i you know
looked at one of my belts and it
seemed like it was a little looser than when i started this trip and

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i was like ah maybe on the next rest stop i'll have a look and maybe i can
do something about it and so i got just on the freeway as i was accelerating
boom that sound started happening i was like oh i made the wrong decision here
and uh i was super lucky because there was an off-ramp right there oh it could
have been miles of trying to drive or having to stop on the side of the interstate
which is never what you want to be and you.

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Weren't even sure what the extent of the damage was.
No not at all could be breaking.
Things in there the alternator could be gone.
Your fan could get cracked i knew at least i still had steering,
and brakes which i guess is all i need to get off the road
but i was very lucky because i was able to take this off
ramp and judged like i could drive a couple more hundred feet and i was able

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to stop at a fuel station that also just happened to have like a big truck garage
tied to it so i thought okay i can i can park here and try to fix it myself
if it's really bad i can try to you know,
guilt these guys into helping me basically help.
A guy out please.
That was just an old van But.
You pop the hood, you got to work.

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Okay. Everything seems okay.
I'm just tightening the alternator into place, getting the belts tight.
And then we'll see if it runs okay. Okay, the AC fan, the AC belt did run around

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the fan as a backup belt or a secondary belt.
If that's missing, then only the power steering belt goes around the cooling fan.
I do not want the cooling fan to stop working. That would be very,
very bad for a Texas trip.
So we'll see how it goes.

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Roadside repair brent and you
know he did it he got it fixed and he tried to give her the first start.
Okay here we go i'm gonna start the van for the first time since pulling over,
oh doesn't want to start oh it's in second gear there we go put in park Sounds okay. Will it start?

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Oh, come on.
Oh, there we go.
And it sounds good in here. No more slapping around of belts and such.
Okay. Okay.
I think we can carry on. I'm hungry.

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That was a big win. Big win for you.
I was really lucky because what ended up happening was one of the belts definitely snapped.
And I tried before going on the strip to replace them all, and the mechanic
just couldn't find them.
Wow.
Huh so of course one of them has to break and
it ended up being the air conditioning belt which as you know
the van has no it has no working air conditioning which

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uh makes me suffer uh so it
wasn't working anyways you may as well just delete on that yeah and uh
but when it snapped it took out one of the alternator belts too
and so i had to kind of learn how
to put that back on i'd never done that before um but
it only took me about 90 minutes so i was feeling good i was like
okay first breakdown yep so i get that out of the way because i knew it was

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gonna happen at some point and it only took me 90 minutes that is impressive
i was hungry at that point but there was this little roadside stop and they
had fries and they had 32 ounces of sweet tea for really super cheap so i figured
well i needed a break anyway and.
Then you hit the road with some gusto and i have
to say as your luck improved our luck

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took a turn for the worse and we were you know driving for i don't know at this
point 13 hours trying to find some place to stop we finally booked an airbnb
that would let us in that night only to arrive open the open the door and discover
someone had stolen it right out from underneath us it's.
The second night and we've arrived at an airbnb but something's a bit off and

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we don't really know if if it's okay we walked in and somebody else's luggage and bags are here.
The bedroom's got luggage in it. There's bags in the living room.
But there doesn't seem to be anybody else here? No, totally empty.
I mean, not a ton of lights on or anything. No one else parked here.
And, you know, the code we got through the app, I mean, it worked. We opened the door.

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And I've messaged the host, but I haven't heard anything yet.
I'm not sure if we can stay here tonight.
But, you know, we spent a good, we got a good amount of miles in today.
It wasn't our biggest day, but it was a good day.
So this is a good time to stop, if we can.
So we're in New Mexico, and we're kind of in the outskirts of New Mexico.
So there's like five options to pick from to begin with.

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And what we discover is that somebody else had shown up, quickly dropped off
all their stuff, took a shower, and then they headed out for the evening or something like that.
And then we show up a half hour later and they've showered and the place has been taken over.
And we're exhausted and it's dark and there's like no lights in this area of New Mexico at all.
No street lights, no signs.

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The roads are horrible, horrible, horrible roads. and we're trying to communicate
with this Airbnb owner on what the F we can do.
I mean, we have nowhere to go. There's pretty much no other options to stay
and we're looking at the next town would be like Albuquerque,
which was hours away at that point and we were tired.
Meanwhile, you're having a great time.
Oh, yeah.

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Well, it is end of day four, 125 a.m.
I think it did okay. today it was
an adventurous day oh the belt's coming off and everything actually with the
belt off the van sounds really nice i have to say it sounds smoother ride smoother

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i might have a little bit more power although i might just be imagining that,
i got a little tired of sleeping in the van near other people so i went off
a small side road off the interstate and found this sweet boondocking spot chris

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you're going to be jealous,
as you can hear,
it's like in the middle of the wilderness on
the tiny little side road and there's perfect so a nice reward for the end of
a good day I hope tomorrow is a little less exciting the van's doing great other

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than losing a little bit of rubber,
well adventure continues yeah.
And meanwhile we were back on the road but now we were headed in the wrong direction.
And back on the road again we go they don't
know who is here they've got another airbnb
further away more out of our way further away from country further away from

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austin that we can go to for the night we've been given the um the name kevin
and a phone number in case Because we have to go onto a ranch where we're going
to get lost because it's pitch black out and dark.
And we're going to find Kevin and his Airbnb, and we're going to try to stay
in there. And hopefully that doesn't have somebody's luggage in it. Jeez.

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The darkness, I cannot describe the darkness in this place. And so the owner gives us a tip.
When you route, don't use Google Maps. Use Apple Maps.
Yeah, it's going to take you all the long way through the ranch.
Through the ranch. So Apple Maps did get us to the driveway,
but the driveway we drove past twice because it was so dark and you couldn't see it.

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And then once we pulled down, and I have pretty bright headlights,
and once you pull down, we were off-roading.
We were in Jeep territory or like raised truck territory.
I don't think your car was meant for that.
No.
Yeah, think Forest Service road.
And so we were bump, bump, bump, and we're going through washouts. And I'm not kidding.
I'm driving up along the side of a washout, so we're at an angle because I'm driving around.

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I think that was the one we were like, do we just abandon this?
We were asking, should we just turn around?
But you've got a bed in the back.
No, no. We finally roll up, and the owner, the guy that owns the Airbnb,
he's got a big smile on his face. And he says, guys, I'm so sorry.
I sent you to the wrong address. You need to go somewhere else on the ranch.
Yeah, he sent us his address.

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His home address. Not the Airbnb address If.
I hadn't just experienced this story I don't know if I would believe it So six,
seven miles down the road Most of it out of the direction we actually need to go,
We get to the ranch, which is almost impossible to see in the dark,
so we had to turn around twice to even pull into the ranch.
And the address they gave us was to the wrong house on the ranch.

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It was the guy that owns the ranch.
So then we went up to talk to him for a bit and then turned around and very
slowly crawled down the road because not only is it not paved,
it's significantly not paved, right? It's pretty sizable potholes.
What do you think of the Airbnb? It's okay, right?
Yeah. It's a little musty, but it's all right. It's a little musty.

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The floors are a little soft, but there's a TV, there's a fridge,
there's definitely two beds, I think.
Okay, good. So we will make it work.
Honestly, the mood was a bit low because we were still way, way behind,
and we'd had now gone off course, and Brent, which really killed us, was on the move.

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As we're going the wrong direction, as we're finding this Airbnb on the ranch,
Brent was making really good progress after he had stacked his W fix in his bells.
And Wes and I had to do some hard math.
So we're looking at the maps now that we've settled into our Airbnb.
And to get to Austin, I just saw a shooting star.

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To get to Austin by, say, 4.30 p.m.
tomorrow, which I think would beat Brent, we would have to leave our Airbnb at 1.30 a.m.
in the morning. It's 9 p.m.-ish right now.
well then what are we doing recording we should be in bed yeah we this is well
this is the thing is do we want to get up at 1 a.m and beat him and show up

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a day early with no place to stay,
or do we let our buddy win and we sleep in i just i'm torn so uh as as we check the tracker right now,
he's about a solid day of driving tomorrow and he'll be in austin he's making
really good time today we made really good time today too we put down almost
800 miles more than 800 miles yesterday we put down over 600 miles today 10

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hours of driving today 14 hours of driving yesterday,
uh and now we just have to decide if we if we want to kill ourselves and show
up exhausted in but winners which would be invigorating or we could tell them
just to meet us at terry blacks Yeah.
Hey, are you here yet, Brent? Are you here yet? We have a table.

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Satisfying.
But I didn't sleep last night. And I feel like it would be pretty dumb to get
only like three or four hours of sleep tonight after not sleeping and driving so much.
You don't want this Texas Linux Fest to be your last.
I still haven't made it in my mind yet. I don't know what we're going to do.
So we knew that in order for us to win this thing, our buddy Brent was probably

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going to need to suffer a breakdown. And we didn't want to wish that on him.
And we're racking our brains. I mean, we were big-picture ideating,
as they say, using our imaginary.
Like, we thought, could we contact a listener that could go track Brent down
and distract him for a while?
That worked a couple days earlier.
We thought, could we, like, sick PJ on Brent for a bit, and maybe PJ could distract Brent for a while?

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Come on, guys.
Yeah, I know, right?
There's a lot of solar stuff to talk about.
Wes, you were sending me a strange number of delicious restaurants in Memphis.
I wanted you to have a good foodie journey.
We just knew, like, okay, so we thought, okay, well, we don't want him to break
down, but we would like to beat him.
And there's just physically no way we can do it unless we can get you properly distracted.

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How dare you?
So we sent you a message the next morning suggesting, since you had such a brilliant
lead, that perhaps it was a good time to invest in a little bit of generator repair.
Well, and we did. You know, we were concerned about his poor kiddies, too.
So brent on what would be day five for him i guess that would be wednesday morning for us you.
Guys were in new mexico i was in arkansas.

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Yeah yeah we're in new mexico sweet boondocking spot you did it was it actually
was a really great spot really good yeah.
I woke up in my little boondocking spot here in hot springs arkansas,
I did better than I even thought last night. This spot is great.
I parked under the shade of a tree.

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It is beautiful as a river with fish. Just like, I don't know, 100 meters that way.
I got the solar panel out. Getting a little bit of solar charging going.
The boys escaped for a little bit, but I don't blame them.
They just ate some grass and scurried back into the van.

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um chris and wes are trying to
encourage me to delay my departure to fix the generator that way i can get air
conditioning in the van when we're parked in austin and even though i believe this is a delay tactic,

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because i'm still a couple hundred miles ahead of them in the race And I think
they're probably right.
I have a little bit of shade, a good setup.
No one around to really kick me out of a hotel parking lot.
So I think I might spend maybe an hour, hopefully not two, but maybe two,

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just taking the carburetor out of the generator, cleaning it up and seeing if
I can get the generator to run a little more smoothly.
Maybe I'll jump in the river.
You see, what you have to understand is Brent's kind of a galaxy brain,
and time is relative to perception.

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Isn't it for you?
It was kind of an hour you spent. You kind of spent an hour on it.
It felt like it.
Okay, it is 3.40, much later than I was hoping.
But the car was back together. It definitely needed a great cleaning.
That is clearly the issue. I had to sacrifice my toothbrush to clean some of

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the components, so I should make a note to get a new toothbrush in Austin.
But everything's back together. I did find two O-rings that were completely damaged and fell off.
and I had to construct my own out of, well I found, I looked around trying to

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find what I could use and I found
an air freshener which was the perfect thickness and I could modify it.
So I've used that in place of a rubber o-ring, hoping that lasts a few days.
But anyhow, I just need to put some of the glass fuses back in for the starter.

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so let me just do that here and then we could give it a shot and see if it actually
will start so i need a screwdriver there we go,
one in two in okay are you ready oh i did check the oil it's slightly overfilled,

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well i mean let's tinker a little bit more.
Oh that's hard to hear too because brent and so team bigfoot our team and team
moose uh we had a time difference between us so we could get up a little bit
earlier and hit the road before you would even be awake.

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So while you were fiddling with the generator, we were laying down miles like madmen.
We are 521 miles into day three. We just crossed the border into Texas.
We've been driving for seven hours and 40 minutes, and we are just about tied
right now with our buddy Brent.

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Maybe he's making a tactical mistake, west bay he very
well may be i mean we're neck and neck at this point we're
both still like six and a half hours outside austin but
we're each six and a half hours outside i
cannot believe we have closed this gap it's incredible last we heard from brent
because we're kind of slow on updates right now he was taking time to fix on

(29:02):
his generator specifically the car on that thing yeah we don't know if it went
well if it went terribly uh he hasn't said anything but we've,
I mean, the tracker's updating, but he's at the same location.
He seems to have not moved.
Yeah. Is he tricking us? Is he slow playing us? Does he just not take us seriously?
Either way, it may have been a fatal mistake because we're catching up right now.

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Or he may be tricking us. I don't know. I'm bracing myself for either thing.
So as Brent wrapped up the work on the generator, he took a moment to check
how we were doing on the tracker.
I don't think it was looking too good.
I am now all powering.
van started boys tucked in and i'm about to hit the road for the first time today it is 4 44.

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uh my map claims i have 466 miles the texas tracker claims i have 389,
and the boys have 298 so they're 100 miles ahead of me i am losing the race
because i I got distracted by generators.
Okay. Carrying on.

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I cannot believe that worked. I cannot believe that actually worked as a strategy.
And so, I mean, and to be fair, we were in an area of West Texas where we could
just lay down miles like crazy.
The speed limit was like 85 miles per hour.
We were also deploying other tactics. You know, we were trying to convince Brent

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that we were not moving as much as we were.
Yes, that was a bit of a psychological warfare play. You were really good at that.
Yeah, you know, like we tried to convince him we were going to a museum,
but we also, I managed to get Gemini to Photoshop you.
Like you were filling gas, but it kind of looks like you're at a food truck.
So I was hoping maybe Brent thought we were stopping for lunch.
I thought that was real. I was like, I'm under a van and you guys are getting

(30:55):
tacos. He looked effort.
He swapped out because we only did two stops that Texas day.
And so there was no time to stop for food trucks. We were in a race.
We stopped twice And we stopped for less than 15 minutes And so then what Wes
did He took a picture of me at the gas pump And then while we're on the road
He throws that through the LLM To make it look like we're at a taco stop To
make you think we're taking our time
It was strategic And it worked.

(31:18):
He's never gonna trust me again.
Welcome to Austin. We did it. We did it. Over 13 hours of driving today.
I think almost 900 miles. I can't believe it. We made some good time today,
and we actually beat Brent by about two hours.
So we're going to set up some Star Trek on the TV, and we're going to order some tacos.

(31:41):
And when Brent gets here, we'll have some gluten-free tacos for him,
and we'll be nice and fed.
It feels pretty good. I can't believe we pulled that out. I mean,
we started so far behind.
There was no way. I mean, we kept doing every possible piece of math.
We looked at every possible alternative route.
We even pulled up the, like, maintenance database for the various states we

(32:01):
were driving through trying to optimize if we could catch any extra advantage.
In over 13 hours of driving today, we only made two stops, and each stop was
under 15 minutes because we knew we had very little margin of error.
And so we hustled. We grabbed, like, food we knew we could eat.
So we had gas station food today,

(32:22):
so that's why we're having nice tacos tonight, because we earned it.
We did, and then all there was to do was to wait for our buddy Brent to arrive.
Okay, just about two hours later, and Brent just pulled up to the Airbnb.
We're a day ahead of schedule. We all hauled today.

(32:45):
Someone's at the door, Wes. Who is it?
Hello? brantley hi buddy let's come here oh yeah good job you stayed up for
me you hauled i did i stayed up,
are you recording i'm recording,

(33:07):
how's the kitties doing are they okay okay they're probably hungry or whatever.
You know what's funny, too, is we didn't really talk ahead of time about recording
clips. We just both did it.
I know. You've trained me well.
So we talked for way too long about the race and, oh, this moment, oh, that moment.

(33:29):
I couldn't believe how much rain you both got. Had I got that rain,
I would have been flooded. The van still rains inside.
Right. Monsoon levels of rain we went through all the way until we got to Salt Lake City.
but it was fun to like you know trade trade like moments or you know what were
you thinking at this time because we were thinking this yeah we.
Only got a few updates right we were both kind of being a little secretive.

(33:49):
Mostly just.
Watching each other on the track.
Yeah yeah so once we had that all the way it was time to go out there and do
a good peeper scan because i wanted to see brent's repair job that he had done on the road nice.
Fix but i'm very lucky because yeah nothing else got destroyed Yes,
and also it could have taken out my power steering belt.
Probably all these extra zip ties you put in to really hold things together.

(34:11):
I didn't do that, my mechanic did that. Oh really? I know.

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So after the long trek down, we actually got here to do what we were intending

(37:14):
the entire trip to be about. It wasn't just the race.
It was actually Texas Linux Fest. Remember that, boys?
Oh, that little thing. Right.
That's why we're here. Oh, yeah, right.
It's a good thing we got here a day early, I think, because we clearly all needed a day off in between.
Oh, yeah. We pushed it hard. We pushed it hard. You collected some stats for us.
Oh, yes, I did.

(37:35):
Why don't we? Let's cover those before we get to the fest. Just because it's fun.
The numbers are fun. Okay, so our boy Team Moose over there.
Uh-huh.
Well, he did pretty good because he had an average velocity of 94.2 kilometers
per hour, which he can maybe translate into freedom units.
That's over 60 miles per hour, right?
Yeah. I had no idea because my speedometer doesn't work, but that feels good.

(37:57):
That's really impressive.
And he managed to drive for almost 31 hours.
Well done, sir.
And this is not, you know, this is like actual time measured when he was in motion from the stats.
Right, right. Just in motion time.
It is when you can see the day breakdown here. So he started off really well. Day one, 10.44 hours.
But then you kind of see where there was maybe some easier going in the middle. Next day was one hour.

(38:19):
Oh.
Hey, hey, hey. That was Sunday of Linux unplugged.
Okay, all right. Okay, okay, fair, fair.
Okay, then four hours after that.
Yeah.
And then the last two days you finished pretty strong. I mean,
you know, seven plus on each of us.
A seven hour drive day is no joke.
No joke.
You guys did like double that.
Well, what did we do.
Wes? Yeah, okay. Well, so we had an average velocity not too much higher than
Brent's, 102.5 kilometers per hour.

(38:40):
Oh, okay. So we were slightly faster.
And which was good because we had to do a total driving of 36.1 hours.
Oh, my gosh.
Wow.
That's almost an entire work week of driving.
And there was only three days to do it. So day one, we put in 13.02.
That's impressive.
Yeah.
Day two, we took it a little easier. We did 9.95, just about 10 hours of driving.

(39:00):
And then on that killer critical last day, 13.14.
What?
Wow.
It's a good thing you don't sleep. You just drive the whole time.
It's a good thing I like to drive. It's a good thing. Wow. Yeah, it is.
So we definitely rested. We just, the first, the next day, before the fest started,
we didn't even leave the Airbnb.

(39:21):
No.
We did not get in the car.
We didn't drive.
We didn't go. We just crashed.
We ordered some food in.
We ordered food and rested.
Watch some Star Trek.
And kind of planned our Fest coverage, too, so there were some of that as well, but oh, my gosh.
And I think that was the good move, because we were recharged for Texas Linux
Fest day one, and one of the things we always like to go do once we show up,

(39:42):
you get registered, and you go find our buddy Carl, and you get some pocket meat.
That looks good. That looks really good. Hey, buddy. How are you?
How's Carl?
Yeah,
Yeah, hello Yeah, we did it drove right we sure did how was it right pretty

(40:08):
good So pretty good. It was a hell of a race. I was following the tracker.
Yeah, I thought for sure he had I really I did Yeah, until the last day.
Speaking of, gotta keep it... Oh, there it is! The pocket meat's out. The pocket meat is out.
It's almost all worth it just for the pocket meat.
That's the only reason I came.
He even has a variety.

(40:30):
Yeah, he does. He does. So we were in the zone once we got our pocket meat.
Would you believe it, we all managed to get up on time and get out the door.
Barely. Barely. I mean, there was some edge cases there, maybe.
I won't suggest who might have been a little bit late. But we're here.
and we've gotten some of our initial pocket meat. That's been nice. We've been registered.

(40:50):
We got to walk the floor a bit, and we popped our head into the Bootsy room. That was a little busy.
Oh, yeah, packed. I mean, I don't think we couldn't really stay for more than
a few minutes just to get a taste because anywhere we stood,
we were blocking somebody's view.
I think people are here for the Atomic Distros.
Yeah, they want their containers booting.

(41:12):
But Brent came with no intention of seeking tech support, but ended up having
an opportunity to get a little direct support from Framework.
Tell me about that, Brentley.
Well, I decided I probably would like the right side of my ports to work again,
so I thought I could chat with the Framework folks. And they were helpful.
They had some suggestions.
Of course, you can just swap out the entire motherboard and go that way.

(41:34):
But I don't know. I'm going to keep tinkering, see if we can fix it.
It did suggest a USB-C hub too, which could potentially at least be a temporary patch.
And, of course, already we've seen, I don't know, 10, 12 different listeners,
including listener Lee, who set us up with some 3D-printed rocket ships.

(41:56):
That's true. Yeah, basically, we keep bumping into listeners. It's pretty great.
I think Friday will probably be the smaller of the days, and then I think Saturday
is probably going to be the big main day.
And mostly, I just have to make sure we get into that Vim mastering room because
I want us all to leave this as Vim masters.
It's not too late, right? We still have time for the Vim workshop?
Yeah, it's high time you kick that disgusting nano habit of yours anyway.

(42:22):
Hey now, hey now. I just want to foster a collaborative environment,
so I was willing to go to the VIM workshop.
I was willing to sit through a long VIM workshop.
Really.
So the VIM workshop didn't work out, and I couldn't find the nano workshop.
I'm not sure what that was about.
So I think the next best thing to do would be to go get some barbecue, obviously.

(42:43):
We've got a little crew assembled here, so we've been organizing over bit
chat um and we're going to styles barbecue
styles switch barbecue which is about 10 minutes
from the event center now of course we have
to go back to the airbnb first yeah 10 minutes the other
direction yeah yeah we gotta get our car gotta get
that but then we'll have it and we can transport and a lot

(43:03):
of folks don't have vehicles they are like
traveling for the event and so we may
be a little short on cars so we're gonna have one to add to the carpool that'll
be good and we'll get our barbecue fixed while we're in town i blame carl you
know after he gave us the generous help into pocket meat you know then we saw
him wandering around with just like i don't know if it was a turkey leg or a
stick it was just a big stick of meat just a big stick of meat so what were

(43:26):
we supposed to do we were not going to be satisfied with burgers or.
So we run back, and we get my car, and we head towards lunch,
where the listeners are waiting for us, and I get a flat tire along the way.
Finally, you break down.
I know. After the race.
At least we were in Austin.
And I did have a tire air pump with me, so I could put some air in it and get

(43:46):
us to lunch, but it was just go figure.
So we showed up a little late to lunch, but very much liked that Stiles barbecue.
And we spent the rest of the afternoon kind of doing the networking track.
went back for a bit did a lot of chatting and uh settled in for the evening
with some star trek and got ourselves prepared for day two which was when the

(44:07):
keynote was going to be and like the real big day of the texas linux fest.
It's saturday and uh we're maybe a little late we're rushing right now to make
it to the keynote we're here can we blame brent for this a little bit oh yeah
yeah oh definitely i had a giant breakfast at about three minutes before we
had to leave so that's on me All right. Okay, good. Well, that's settled then.

(44:27):
Let's get to it. Walk faster.
And we did make it to the keynote indeed.
We made it just in time. They have cool space chairs in the auditorium,
and it is Dustin Kirkland giving the keynote.
He's the SVP of engineering at Chain Guard now. His name might sound familiar
to you because he also used to work at Canonical.
And I enjoyed his keynote. I hadn't heard much about Chain Guard,

(44:49):
and it's always good to kind of catch up on what Dustin's been doing because
he's been in the industry for quite a long time, doing good stuff.
So, it also, I get to introduce the keynote speaker for this conference,
which I'm very excited about.
I've known Dustin for longer than probably either of us will want to admit.
And now he's working at ChainGuard on securing Linux. And I think that that's

(45:11):
something that everyone needs.
Thank you, Justin. Ted, thank you so much.
All right. Good morning, Texas Linux Fest. What an absolute thrill and honor
it is to be your speaker here this morning in my hometown of Austin, Texas.

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I've been attending this conference since 2010, and to be on this stage is an
honor and a privilege. So thank you to the organizers for the invitation.
Very much appreciate the opportunity to spend a few minutes with you here today
and talk about software security.
This is definitely not my first Texas LinuxFest rodeo.

(45:55):
In 2010 was the original Texas LinuxFest.
And as I remember, it was a couple of tables set up in a strip mall,
the way I remember it anyway.
But it had an incredible spark of energy.
The people were passionate. The hallway conversations were all about the early

(46:16):
days of cloud and cloud computing. I remember quite a bit of talk about cloud
computing and whether it was real or not, or an industry shift or not.
In any case, it certainly felt like something big. And here we are 15 years
later, and this conference is still going and thriving and super proud to see this.

(46:36):
I really felt like Dustin had a good tone there. And he brings some historical
context to the area. He's familiar with the Linux scene in the area.
So after the keynote, we wanted to just grab his ear real quick.
and kind of get a sense of what is the Linux industry scene if you want to live in Texas?
What do you expect? And then obviously we just chatted more from there.

(46:58):
The keynote just wrapped up. It
was great. And so we had to grab Dustin to chat with him a bit about it.
And I think I wanted to start, Dustin, with, could you describe what the Linux
scene in general is like, kind of in the Austin and Texas area?
Because I know you've been here for a long time.
Yeah, I've been in Austin, Texas for 25 years, since 2000. I started my career
at the IBM Linux Technology Center, which is just across the street from where the conference is here.

(47:20):
What's cool about that is that brought about 1,000 engineers to Austin in the
early 2000s, Linux engineers specifically.
A lot of open source passion has flown through here over those years.
Of course, I've stayed. Others have moved around.
But, yeah, there's a lot of passion for open source in general.
the Austin, just the Austin mindset, the keep it weird, the,

(47:44):
just the Austin mindset, the tech mindset.
Aligns well with open source, the open source ethos. So I love it.
There's a bunch of tech companies here, many of which have their security centers
or their network centers based around Austin. So, you know, it's a, it's a great scene.
Okay. So you said something during the keynote that we all went,
Oh, and you were, you took a pretty strong stand and said that the best solution

(48:08):
really for security in the enterprise, especially for infrastructure,
like Linux boxes is maybe a rolling distro.
Can you expand on that a little bit? Because I think some people listening to
that think the opposite when it comes to enterprise.
Yeah, I think that's largely been the case. You know, the concept of a rolling distro is not new.
You can go back to the mid-90s with Debian, Red Hat, SUSE, Ubuntu.

(48:32):
Everyone has had a rolling distro. But it's never really been able to or fitted
to run in an enterprise environment. The stability was just not there.
And so at ChainGuard, we've kind of taken the opposite approach we've said
the time is now for rolling distros maybe it wasn't possible when
every build had to be done on a manually booted and

(48:52):
installed physical machine but just with the
dawn of cloud native with containers uh with serverless jobs it's just it's
so much possible more possible now to build and test and run everything everywhere
uh and crank through those builds and do so in a way that you can maintain the
the security and the quality of are there going to be problems yeah Yeah, absolutely.

(49:14):
But the problems I would posit with a rolling distro are small.
When you're trying to bisect what changed between yesterday and today,
that's a problem you can solve in a few minutes to hours.
When you're trying to bisect what went wrong between the 2017 release of some
enterprise Linux and the 2025 release, and you're trying to upgrade in between,
I mean, everything changed, you know.

(49:34):
So, yeah, I'm a huge proponent of rolling distros.
I've suffered through the, you know, two decades of that not being ready. I think we're ready now.
I love to hear that. So did Chaingard.
Create their own distribution to accomplish that? And are there like special
tools in there to make that a safe experience?

(49:54):
Yeah, we did actually. So I didn't mention this in the keynote, but I probably should.
Every single bit of Chain Guard is built entirely and bootstrapped entirely from source.
We are not a derivative of Alpine, Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Arch, we're Nix.
We're not a derivative of anything. We've built the compilers,
the libraries, every single package, every project from source.

(50:18):
We also have built automation that does all of that automatically.
So unlike, and I'm the Debian maintainer for a couple of dozen Debian packages
or have been over the years, every Debian package has one or more human name
email addresses who are responsible for that package.
And that's true for pretty much every other distro. We've taken a different approach.

(50:38):
We have build rules checked in in a YAML format, but it's the machine that builds
these and does that over and over and determines when there's a regression,
even tries to automatically address problems and fix them when possible.
So yes, we've bootstrapped this entirely from source.
Wow. And so if I have a problem, I assume there's mechanisms to roll back?

(51:02):
Yeah. So rollback is, maybe this is part of why a rolling distro is possible now.
Rollback means stop the container that's not working and start the container that is working.
So rollback is just go back to the previous version, the previous digest of
the best-known working version.
And so, you know, much of that didn't exist 15, 20 years ago,

(51:26):
and so this wasn't possible.
Now, when we're talking about VMs and potentially even hardware,
we're leaning into some of the containerized mechanisms for doing that.
So FS Verity, you know, read-only overlay file systems boot C is actually,
you know, really interesting here.
So treat a container, treat a VM like a container, have that container effectively

(51:49):
boot as a read-only immutable mount point for the root file system.
And when you update, just download a new container image and reboot and remount.
And, you know, there you go. Oh, you need to roll back. Okay,
we'll just go to the previous digest of that container and you're back to the
last known good working version.

(52:09):
It does seem like the technologies are finally there to make it all work.
So am I picking up, it's a real kind of minimal base OS and then the applications
are all containerized? Yeah, that's right. Minimal base OS.
The applications, we do package them and we render.
Think about it as like rendering an image is the minimum set you need plus whatever

(52:32):
application is you need to run. And if you want to run that as a container, great.
If you want to run that as a VM and there are actually some workloads that just
don't containerize well.
There's workloads where performance is key.
You know, applications that want full access to the CPU, memory, disk, network, IO, GPU.
We can render any of those containers as a VM image, you know,

(52:55):
and we can also, there are some workloads that for security reasons need to be in its own VM.
You know, you run a privileged container, your pod is kind of compromised,
or I would treat it as basically compromised once you're running a privileged
container inside of that pod.
So all of these are important mechanisms there.
But yeah, you run the applications themselves as containers,

(53:17):
containerize it, drag along all the bits and pieces you need for that application
to run and run well, and keep it separate from the rest of the system.
Okay, last question. We've been talking Enterprise today, but you announced
the release of a Raspberry Pi image. Tell me a little bit about what's that about.
Yeah, it's a bit of a fun experiment. So, you know, at ChainGuard,
we get to hack on some things in our spare time sometimes. And this was a pet

(53:41):
project of mine and a couple of other engineers.
We, you know, are running home assistants or other things on our Raspberry Pis.
My solar array monitor is running on a Raspberry Pi.
And I've run Debian and Ubuntu on those machines very well and successfully for many years.
But we, as a, this was kind of a Christmas project. So way back in December,

(54:02):
I started working on, could I actually get a Chainguard OS to boot and run on Raspberry Pi?
And I did, and not unexpectedly, because it's all the same bits that we put
into our production-grade enterprise rolling distro images. I scanned it for
vulnerabilities, and there were zero.
Not unexpected. I mean, it's unexpected as someone who's never done this before,

(54:22):
but this is literally the exact same bits as we're putting into our container images.
So, yeah, that's pretty remarkable, frankly. So it took us a little while to
get it to a point where we were ready to talk about it and then saved it for
a few months for this conference Which seems like the right audience to talk about this way.
Well, Dustin, great keynote. Thanks for answering the questions.
It's good to chat with you. Yeah, thanks, Chris. Appreciate it.

(54:44):
It was nice to catch up with Dustin again. He had a great keynote,
and that will be linked in the show notes.
In fact, we've kind of gone through and put the favorite talks of ours that
are online on the Texas Linux Fest YouTube channel.
And I believe as we are speaking right now, they're probably uploading more.
So we'll link to the favorites that are up there so far, plus the channel in

(55:06):
general, including Dustin's talk, if you want to go watch. There's some good ones.
But we did the talk thing, and then at lunch on Saturday, it was time to celebrate
the 12th birthday for Linux Unplugged.
Lunchtime on Saturday, and that means it's birthday party time.
Happy birthday, boys. Happy birthday.
And I knew we might have trouble because when we arrived, and we arrived early,

(55:29):
we usually arrive late, but this time we arrived early so we could actually
get a bite to eat before the crowd showed up.
And so it was just us. It was just the three of us, and we overwhelmed the guy.
He told us that he was the only guy there, and that because of that,
they only had one thing on the menu. They were doing a reduced menu.
I knew we were in trouble, and then everybody started showing up.

(55:52):
This is a little embarrassing. We have completely overrun this poor little facility.
They're understaffed today. They're so understaffed, they're doing only one
menu item. They have two people working here.
And I don't know.
There's 50 of us? I'm not sure. There's a lot. There's too many of us. Oh, okay.
Line out the door. Line out the door.

(56:15):
Multiple times.
Yeah. But we have such a great audience. Everybody was chill.
Everybody was cool. And by the end of it, the guy was at ease.
Yeah. The staff handled it super well.
Yeah.
They did a good job of letting people know ahead of time. We tried to share
that info, too. You don't have much choice here, but you can come.
Yeah, yeah.
And it turned into a great little party.
And Brent had a chance to chat with some of the attendees. and we just wanted

(56:37):
to know a couple of questions.
All right, we're here at Texas Linux Fest. Let me know what's your name,
which desktop you're using, and which distro. My name's Tyler, Hyperland Nixos.
My name is Justin. I got KDE Plasma on a Steam Deck. Hey there,
I'm Willard Nilgis. I use KDE on Arch Linux.
David Fretz, I run Gnome on Red Hat.
Carl George, Gnome on Fedora.

(57:01):
And Derek, Gnome on Ubuntu. All right, and how long have you been Linuxing? Around four years.
My first was around 2010 with like Zorin OS and whatnot, but it's back and forth.
These days it's primarily on the Steam OS.
A little over 10 years since about 2014. Late 90s? I don't remember when.
16 years? I just did the math. Almost 10. Nice. Thank you, gentlemen.

(57:25):
Wow. Wow. And they weren't the only ones.
My name is Matthew Brahms. I'm using Debian and using GNOME.
My name is Prasad. I'm currently using Garuda on my main desktop with KDE and
on my new one, CacheOS on Framework.
My name is George. I'm using Fedora and GNOME.
Chris, and I'm currently on Fedora. The KDE spin.

(57:47):
Hey, I'm Reza. I've been using GNOME on Fedora and i3 on RHEL.
Dave, Sway and Fedora all the way. Very nice. And how long have you been Linuxing?
15 years. 13 years. 20?
I'll have to kind of see, but I guess I can date myself. My first Linux distro

(58:07):
was Yagrasil Plug-and-Play Linux, so that tells you something.
It's got to be at least 25 years.
Not really sure. Maybe 15?
Wow, wow. And one more batch. I love this. One more batch.
My name is Robbie Calicott. I use Fedora KDE, the best desktop.
up uh jodo bannon um fedora gnome i couldn't tell you 20-ish years not quite

(58:36):
30 uh jonathan wright uh kde on fedora and almost 20 years a.
Lot of long timers a lot of long timers but it was good i.
Like hearing the mix too.
I was asked after you know because
people are like brent's asking all these questions uh i was asked
if i saw any themes like is there a main desktop or something that's standing

(58:58):
out or a distro that most people are running and as you heard there there's
there's zero consensus zero there's only a consensus on how long people have
been running linux that attend uh texas linux fest like a.
Lot of long timers.
Really impressive.
Not all of them but a long of them you know about herding cats but i think i
think that might be the case here.
Lunch was great We had a really good meetup, great birthday party.

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But then after that, it was time to get back to work because Wes Payne had to
bring that Nick's energy for his talk that was coming up in just a couple of hours.
You could argue the meetup's not really over because Brent's currently giving a tour.
Brought a few folks back to the Airbnb that really wanted to see the moose.
And so Brent's currently giving a tour of the van. And while he's giving tours of the van, Mr.

(59:44):
Wes Payne is preparing for his talk, which comes up very soon.
How are you feeling, Wes?
I'm feeling good. You know, there's been a lot of good talks here at Texas Linux Fest.
No other Knicks talks. So I'm trying to charge myself up to fit the Knicks evangelist
role I have inside myself and really try to embody that for everybody.
Because, you know, we need some Knicks at Texas Linux Fest.

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We did. And I think it was a good talk. I may be a bit biased,
but I thought it was a good, clean presentation, Wes.
He had a good mix of practical code on the screen and also lean,
mean bullet points when needed.
And then some video examples mixed with some live examples.
And it flowed. the whole thing flowed. It was a good presentation.
And the other thing that I think was a good sign is when we talked to people

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after your presentation, they said that your demonstrations made a few more
things click for them that they hadn't got just by listening to the podcast.
Hey, that is what I was aiming for. If it could stoke anyone's curiosity,
maybe demystify things, maybe make NixOS seem a little more approachable,
then I think I've succeeded.
And I think there's some interest in that whole sidecar module concept,

(01:00:49):
the Nix sidecar. I think there's interest in that.
You know, it's a very useful pattern, especially if you're already kind of all
in on Mesh Networks, as I think three of us are.
And then you got the combo, right, of, okay, I can have this directly on my
network as a first-class entity with the whole curated catalog of NixOS services
and modules at your fingertips. At least that's the idea.

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It's pretty powerful. It's pretty powerful. So good fest for you boys?
Oh, yeah.
Good fest?
Excellent fest.
Great fest, right?
Yes, great fest. I liked the new venue. Something about a university kind of
made it feel a little more community-minded than like a corporate conference center.
And then at least for me as a speaker, it was a great experience.
I mean, they had a video set up. They had professional audio stuff.
There was a mic ready. They had all kinds of dongles and ports ready to plug your laptop in.

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And they had like a nice little screen for the speaker so I could see the talk too.
Yeah, that is a good setup. And the venue, I think, did work.
It wasn't, you know, we're not quite in the heart of Austin.
But you're in an area that's still got a lot of Austin flavor.
And there's tons of places to go out to and eat and all the things you want
from Austin are in this area. And you're probably, you know,
20 minutes from downtown.

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depending on traffic.
And you know, it is a community run event. So it was neat to see just all the
hard work that had gone into it and just the hard work that continues going into there.
You know, I heard a lot of folks reflecting on, you know, what went right this
year and what didn't and kind of thoughts for the future and what might change.
So I'm really grateful the audience made this trip possible.
I think we were able to have a little bit more fun with it because it was an

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audience funded trip and that added a whole new element that we would love to do again.
In fact, keep your eyes on the Texas Tracker, texastracker.jupiterbroadcasting.com,
because the race begins.
Where last time it was a race against Team Bigfoot and Team Moose,
this time it's a race against time.
We're working together to, as fast as possible, get up to System76 in Colorado,

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in Denver, so that way they can give us an in-person, hands-on tour of the new
Cosmic desktop and its current release status.
and then we also have to obviously meet up with editor drew maybe treat him
to a dinner or something like that while we're in the area and brent has some
van parts coming in so we might have to do some quick van fixing on then we
have to hit the road to make it back to the studio,

(01:03:02):
because canonical's vp of engineering is going to be joining us for a chat and
we want to get to the studio in time to make it for that conversation so the
trip back to the studio is going to be a real race against time we'll have the
tracker going once we reach denver too we're going to be splitting and going our separate ways.
The Moose and Team Bigfoot will be going in opposite directions,
and you can keep an eye on us there as well.

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It should be just as hardcore of a drive as we had on the way down.
Hopefully maybe not quite as hardcore because we're not racing against each other.
I think we're supposed to tell Brent that we're leaving tonight, right?
Right.
I was about to say I hope there's less finagling of, I don't know, my timeline, let's say.
Well, let's just say there was a brief conversation last night when someone

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disappeared. we thought, wouldn't it be hilarious if we loaded up in the car
and hit the road to Denver right now? Yeah, you came back and we were gone.
I would have been like, sweet!
I placed it myself. Right? That's true. But no, we're going to caravan together to Denver.
We're looking forward to seeing our friends at System76 and then,
of course, making it back home.
We're hoping that it goes pretty smooth, there's no major incidents,

(01:04:05):
and we can make this tight timeline work because if it works out,
we're going to have some great content for you when we get back next week.
Big shout out to everybody who made it to Texas Linux Fest. All of you who said
hi or those of you that didn't get a chance to say hi, it's one of our favorite fests.
And we always really enjoy, too, just the whole scenery and all of it.
Just eternally grateful that
you showed up and extremely grateful that the audience made it possible.

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And don't forget, there are some goodies on that Texas Linux Fest YouTube channel.
Unraid.net slash unplugged. Unleash your hardware right now with Unraid.
I think the secret is that you can use what you have in your closet right now to get started.
You can use the drives you've got. You can use the interest and the passion from a topic we covered.

(01:04:51):
You know, when we talk about things
like ersatz TV, the community makes applications available for Unraid.
Because Unraid is a powerful operating system you load on the existing hardware
you have. They've been around for over 20 years, and they have proven year after
year they know how to make a great product and maintain it.
So if you go to unraid.net slash unplugged, you support the show,

(01:05:13):
but you can also get Unraid, and you can use it 30 days totes free.
Just get a sense of the architecture of how the system works and kind of the
robust and, I'd say, bulletproofness of it.
And they're always improving Unraid, too. There's a new version just around
the corner, and the UI continues to get nicer and nicer with each release.
that's an area of focus of theirs.
They've also recently introduced an API with applications already getting built

(01:05:37):
around it, and there's easy integration with mesh networking like TailScale.
So you can install an application, click a box, it's on your TailNet.
Hardware pass-through, crazy easy.
Unraid has always been the leader in making it super easy to take hardware and
pass it through to a VM, but now they've got options like share your GPUs and all kinds of stuff.
And also, this has been out for a minute now, but I love this,

(01:05:58):
Unraid also at the OS level supports Wi-Fi.
So if you don't have Ethernet in your place, I know it sucks. I'm there with you.
They just support that right out of the box now. So you've got things like QXL virtual GPU support.
You've got the newer, faster Linux kernels. You've got an awesome file system stack.
I mean, I'm talking to one of the best ZFS implementations you've ever seen
because it can also integrate with or implement and transition from other ZFS

(01:06:22):
systems like Ubuntu or TrueNAS or Proxmox and just move it right over to Unraid so it works real good.
And you don't have to fuss with it. You know, you got what?
you got a Saturday to get this working that's going to do and then you're going
to have access to all the cool stuff we talk about all the time and be in control
of your data and you can use the existing hardware if you're a tinker or a power
user or you just want a better way to run your apps your VMs whatever it might be applications

(01:06:45):
Unraid is going to give it to you it's really the freedom to build your perfect
server check it out support the show go to Unraid.net slash unplugged.
Well, we got ourselves, what are we calling these? Fake boos.
With love. Fake boos with love.
Very real fake boos.
Yeah, the fake boos with love.
We got the first one here from Tiny. A little Tiny 20 USDs, but everything helps. Thank you so much.

(01:07:10):
Thank you, Tiny.
Thank you for all the amazing shows over the years. I found you all during the
Linux Action Show days, and it's part of the reason I have my dream job today.
I'd like to show my Ansible roles as well.
If you don't mind. Yeah, let's take a little look. All right.
Yeah, there's some nice stuff in here. I got a little sneak peek,
and there are a lot of nice roles. I'm looking at the NextCloud one right now.

(01:07:33):
I'm looking at the AgGuard one.
Clearly very well organized.
Tiny says, includes roles for deploying various Homelab services and my desktop setup.
The most unique thing about it is that it uses Ansible pull and a systemd timer
to make sure that the latest configuration gets pulled down every night,
so when I add a new app or change my shell it just magically appears in all

(01:07:53):
my boxes in 24 hours or less that's great.
That's big brain right there system d to pull down the changes in the background
overnight so the next time you just go to use the box it's got all your new
settings that you changed on the other machines awesome tiny maybe.
Tiny should be admin in your boxes.
Yeah at least the studio boxes thank you for the uh fake boost too tiny appreciate
it well mr adversary 17 came in with 100 000 sats,

(01:08:21):
Adversaries writes, here's some fake sats for the trip back.
Yeah, that is true. It does take gas to get back, too. So thank you for thinking of us.
I have to say two adversaries helped me fix my framework.
Oh, so the... Okay, wait. So let me recap. Last week, we found out that on the
initial drive down, you burned out one of the sides of your framework.
And did the entire Linux unplugged that week.

(01:08:42):
With a burned outside.
Uh-huh.
So what was it?
Well i think the charger in the van that i've plugged into this laptop a couple times before um you.
Mean that really sweet anchor charger i gave.
You you got me that that thing's awesome and.
Maybe not so awesome.
Well i don't know i gotta do some testing on it but uh
it must have misbehaved overnight because i plugged the

(01:09:04):
laptop in overnight to just charge it up for the show as
a responsible co-host does uh but
it was the computer was dead in the morning and uh
none of the ports on the right side which is where it was plugged in uh were
working anymore um but i did the show it somehow
survived and uh after the show late at night we took the whole thing apart because

(01:09:26):
you know framework you can and uh we were looking we took the motherboard right
out and we're looking for like okay did this like something burn on it or like
a capacitor yeah could you see like a dark.
Spot or something.
Anything that might give little hints of what the next step might be because
I you know you can replace the motherboards but I didn't really want to and
the folks here at Texas Linux Fest the framework folks were like well at least

(01:09:50):
it's possible and easy to replace the motherboard.
And to their credit they're like since your other side does work what you could
do is take your 11th gen mobo out put it in a case uses a media server and you
still get a useful machine out of it.
Which is a great idea yeah.
Especially if you threw in something like a usbc dock.
Yeah yeah so i mean it wasn't the worst

(01:10:10):
case isn't that bad i suppose but it turns out that we were able to in in the
investigation you know as responsible uh you know tinkerers we unplugged the
battery before started taking everything else apart good and we plugged the
battery back in and all the ports started working again it did it.
Just you didn't do anything else but unplug the battery.
Yeah well no that's not true we unplugged the battery took

(01:10:32):
everything out looking you know had the had the
motherboard in our hands looking for like some kind of anything that might suggest
what we might fix uh because at that point i was like well i i want to learn
micro soldering i could change this thing which is probably not going to go
good but it turned out we were like well okay well i got to use this thing so
i just put it back together and we plugged the battery in,

(01:10:54):
And the framework does like a little pause to do a bunch of hardware diagnostics
if the battery's unplugged.
And then with a little bit of testing, everything started working again.
So you literally unplugged it and plugged it back in again.
You just needed a hard reset.
To be fair, in person, it was much more involved, more strategic,
much more like we sequenced our testing.

(01:11:15):
But if it ever happened again, you would just go right to plug and unplug the battery, I suppose.
The bad thing is that makes me not want to investigate the charger and just
kind of like, oh, yeah, next time I just unplug and plug the battery in.
That's not probably a good thing.
You'd still like to know why it happened.
Yeah, what if it happens right before a show?
The conversation we had with the Framework folks is like, yeah,
we're actively investigating various USB-C charger and USB-C cable combos,

(01:11:38):
and they're discovering this Anker one is totally fine, while maybe this Anker one isn't finer.
E-Green was the other. There was another brand they mentioned.
Mom, not Monster Cables, Master?
I don't know.
I should have took notes.
Yeah, we probably actually, maybe we have it on audio somewhere.
I did also hear at our meetup that one listener was working actively with the

(01:12:01):
framework folks and a kernel developer to work out some of the framework 16
driver issues on, I think it was AMD specifically.
And so they're very active in trying to just figure out, hey,
is this a framework issue? Is this a Linux driver issue?
How do we get things upstream and make everything work?
Yeah. So thank you for the fake boost. We are absolutely still accepting some

(01:12:24):
contributions to get us home.
We'll put a link to that in the show notes if you'd like to send us a Fiat fake boost.
Or you can actually send sats like adversaries did through the forum as well.
Thank you to everybody who did that.
And our first boost comes in from Kangaroo Paradox with 153,084 sataroonies.

(01:13:03):
Now, this came in a little late last week, but he says, here's a last-minute Nix config submission.
I'm looking forward to my roast. All right, we've got to look at that.
Well, first off, just check out this nice little grid of hosts with cool names,
but then there's an AMD laptop, an M2 MacBook Air laptop, a Mac Mini M1 server,
DNS for the main site, main NAS, backup NAS, DNS for the secondary site,

(01:13:25):
and a VM template using cloud in it. This is cool.
All right, that is really awesome, actually. This is really well done.
Also, he said, here's some stats for a few drinks while you're down in Texas. That's really great.
Thanks for the mead.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Mead, tell us about this.
A little half pint of mead at the mead. We chose a good spot.
I had some amazing drinks.

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Yeah, yeah. So Brent got mead. I had a Diet Pepsi. And Wes had probably something fancy. I don't know.
I know you, Wes, though. You do like yourself a little fancy every now and then.
But really appreciate it, Conger. Thank you for being our a baller,
a booster this week. You're the best around.
Blackhost boots in with 100,000 cents.
All right. That's pretty much baller, too, I say.

(01:14:13):
Thank you, Blackhost.
No message, though, just the cents.
Always appreciate the value.
Well, Magnolia Mayhem sent in a message with 27,468 cents.
Mayhem, you say?
He's a great guy, but I think his drawer is full of Froot Loops.
Hey, do y'all need some gas sats? Better late than never, I guess.

(01:14:36):
Anyway, it's awesome seeing this community come together to help our little
literate hosts. Iterate hosts here?
Wait a second. I'm not sure that's a compliment, so maybe we just skip that.
Hey, but they did help.
Yeah, that's true. I'm too many states to the east, they say,
to help. No, you're helping right now.
Oh, yeah, you can help from anywhere. That's the best part. But if any of you

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screw up bad enough to find your way to Mississippi, my doors are open.
Not sure what you'd be doing here, of course, but I do know some good hiding
spots if you're on the run. Pretty much the only reason I can think of.
That could come in handy.
You never know. You never know.
I did cross the Mississippi, but I don't think I was anywhere near Mississippi.
He also says, you do not, you do not want to see my next config.

(01:15:23):
We might still, though.
He's also back on Albie again. Hey, back on the self-hosted train. Well done, buddy.
Oh, yeah, boosting via that podcast index.
Very cool. All right, well, Night 62 is here with a nice boost.
24,203 sats. Hello, gents.

(01:15:44):
I meant to send this earlier. This is for Texas Linux Fest. I know that for
me, the highlight of my trip to scale here this year was hanging out with the
three of you and talking open source tech over some good food.
Yeah, that tends to be the way we do it.
I won't be able to make it to Texas, unfortunately, but I hope this modest amount
of sats is added to everything the community has given to help make sure the
others have similar experience in the community. Oh, that's really cool.

(01:16:06):
So sweet.
Thank you for cultivating one of the greatest podcasting communities out there.
I enjoy getting to know many of the community members like PJ,
Carl the Pocket Meat Man, and TechDev and others. Have a great time at Texas
Linux Fest, and I hope to see you all at scale next year.
So sweet.
That's great. That is really great. It is really something.
I mean, we bump into so many people down here, you know, so you really are giving

(01:16:28):
us a chance to reconnect with the audience, and that really is something special.
It always energizes us like never before, and so to have Texas Linux Fest happen
in the fall when most of the other things happen in the spring.
We've kind of been on a lull for a bit. Thank you.
We needed the recharge.
We did.
Yeah.
So we drove ourselves exhausted.
Well, Kiwi Bitcoin guide comes in with 20,000 cents.

(01:16:51):
All right. I think so.
Oh, it's a time traveler boost for Texas.
Somebody make us a time traveler clip. We need that.
I'm randomly working through the back catalog to learn things as they come up
in my setup. So we're like sort of a, you know, go look it up in Linux Unplugged as you do it.
That's fun. Sure.
I just learned the difference between Snap and Flatpacks in episodes 532, 501, and 499.

(01:17:15):
It's evergreen content. So thanks for the work you put into creating these and
the passion and the delivery.
That's great. I'm so glad. I'm so glad that was useful for you.
Thank you very much for the boost. Appreciate the value coming back our way.
We sure do.
It does mean a lot to us. All right, Brentley, I think you're up.
We got ourselves a bite bitten. Boosting in here. One, two, three, four, five sets Oh,

(01:17:43):
One boost for two people talking. I'm three drinks in while boosting four of
these five NextCloud fans.
That is hilarious. One boost for two people. I'm three drinks in while boosting
four of these five NextCloud fans.
Byte Bitten was at, I guess, the NextCloud conference, as they do,
and was listening to the live show last week.

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Byte, it's good to hear from you. Thank you for the boost. Oh,
I like this name. Tetra Pulse comes in with 16,500 sats.
It's true. I like that name for some reason. You know, Tetra Pulse.
Emptying my fountain wallet. Enjoy.
Mwah. Thank you. Appreciate the sats.

(01:18:26):
Our pal Suderman comes in with 5,555 sats.
Hey, there he is.
First time I've listened live, totally because i thought you
might look at my nix config but your lm it must have been drinking yeah i've
never even tried sops before but anyway thanks for the super kind review i listen

(01:18:49):
to y'all all the time oh and the name is pronounced suderman rhymes with superman
superman i see okay so suderman is that uh you.
Know what happens with those lms right like you ask them for something they're
gonna try to give it to you so we're like we were like we're being way too nice
to this guy's repo, give us something to be critical about. And Wes is like, that's not legit.

(01:19:10):
So that's why we're like, we'll put this in the LLM criticism section.
Because it was too damn good.
That's right.
That was the problem. It was too damn good. Thank you very much for the boost. Appreciate it.
Well, Jordan Bravo came in with a Rodex.
I'm late to the party, but here is the unified Nix config for all of my machines.
Oh, boy.
Three servers and four workstations. They all use Nix OS, except one workstation,

(01:19:34):
which has Ubuntu with Nix.
Oh, man. Jordan Bravo, you madman.
There's a lot of interesting stuff. Just looking at the imports,
I'm seeing Nix Bitcoin, I'm seeing SOPs, System Manager, too.
I wonder if you're using the Ubuntu box. I was only just recently learning about
System Manager. And you know, Jordan's a regular in our NixNerds Matrix room,

(01:19:54):
too, so maybe see him there.
I'm just kind of noticing the structure here. He's got a host directory,
and then he's got a folder for each one of his hosts, like Tux is his laptop in here.
And then in there, he's got his configuration.nix, his hardware configuration,
and his home.nix, of course.
Yeah, this is a really solid layout. I'd say this is the top-notch layout.
This is one of the top-notch ones, I'd say.

(01:20:16):
You know, you could maybe copy some of that.
I don't just toss around top-notch willy-nilly. That's a top-notch config right
there, bravo. Well done. I like it a lot.
Goofy Ambitions is also here with a row of decks.
That's 2,222 sats. This is a great segment.
Keep them coming. And it was the config. Oh, that's our first.
That's our one and only vote so far for doing another config confession.

(01:20:37):
All right.
All right. We have one. Thank you, Goofy. That's one. We need more, though.
Tech Dev 5521 comes in with 5,000 sats.
been listening to the show since mike fell in love with
swift on coder and matt was the co-host of last first time boost though hey
the boost about the show being international with a listener in china and wanted

(01:20:59):
to flip the role i've listened to the show from the u.s canada columbia england
spain the uae holland georgia and russia see y'all at texas linux.
Fest yes and.
See tech dev we did indeed and that was great.
It was it was really great thank you uh tech dev for the boost and uh thank
you for the great conversation looking forward to uh your project keep us in

(01:21:20):
the loop on how that goes he knows what i'm talking about oh.
Yeah well gene bean did boost in two boosts and they're both rows of ducks,
Boost number one, Chris, you got to use the branch and pull request model for
working on your next configs.
It's so much easier to do than one big commit after lots and lots of work.

(01:21:43):
See, this is great because Gene can say it and then I don't have to harp on it.
I know, now you're all giving it to me. All right, thank you, Gene.
Thanks, Gene.
Regarding keeping those fake boosts around, I see ZapRite has an API and can
send webhooks. What if you fire a webhook on payment that triggers a boost CLI
or similar for the same amount?

(01:22:03):
That would get the funds from ZapRite into the splits and the regular boosting ecosystem.
That is, assuming that some kind of Nostra hub.
He linked us, yeah. He linked us to that. There isn't another API we could use instead. Yeah.
A certain API doesn't have...
I bet that's an Albi hub. Does Albi have a Nostra ID?
That's what I'm thinking it is. Jeez. Yeah. That's a great idea in a way.

(01:22:24):
I mean, it's kind of a hacky solution, Gene, but it's also kind of a brilliant solution.
You know what I mean? Because if you just call him Boosie a lion and then distributing
the sets, you may find that there is even a possible better solution on the horizon.
You never know, Gene. Maybe we know something.
Bum, bum, bum.
Gene's an idea, man, and I appreciate that.
I do. I do. I love hearing from Gene. It doesn't feel like it's a complete episode

(01:22:44):
if we haven't heard from Gene.
I hope we get to see him again next year.
Yeah. A Dude Trying Stuff came in with 2,222 sets. The road decks.
Live boosting from Bucky's on the road trip home Jealous We haven't even seen.
A Bucky's yet.
Oh, glad your map led you faithfully south It was great to meet you all Drive safe.
That's so sweet Oh.
Thank you That's.
Awesome I had a Bucky's check-in.

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Bobby comes in with a row of ducks Boost Nice to catch you live for a change
Doesn't happen often from the EU Even with my sleep schedule Ah.
Thank you, Bobby Yeah.
That was live from today this morning Awesome We appreciate it yeah we do.
We got one last boost here Dougie fresh 3023 sets so you coming.
In fresh huh.

(01:23:27):
Oh yeah,
I enjoy listening to the show. It's a statement. It's a really nice statement.
I like it.
Doug, you might have been listening live because that came in this morning too.
Awesome. Thank you, Doug. You're fresh. I love the name and I appreciate the boost too.
Thank you, everybody who supported the show with the boost. We do have the 2000SAT
cutoff just for time on air.

(01:23:48):
And of course, we also have the membership program. You can become a core contributor
or a Jupiter Party member.
We really appreciate that. You also, you can just stream them SATs.
It's one of the really cool things about the SAT streaming technology platform
in general is you can do a boost message Or you can set an amount and say,
this is my budget, and just when I play the podcast, we send the sats.
We had 27 of you actually do that, and collectively, you stacked 69,437 sats.

(01:24:13):
Not bad, right? Just listening to the show, getting some value,
sending some sats our way, going to go right into our gas tank.
When you combine that with all of our boosters, oh, this is a cool number, actually.
It's got like a double meaning almost to it, I think.
This is really cool. When you combine this with all of our boosters,
we stacked a really respectable 451,000 and elite 337 sats.

(01:24:38):
Thank you, everybody. I'm assuming those were the Canadian supporters helping
Brent make it down the road, right?
Gotta get home. Gotta get home.
It wouldn't have been, you know, it wouldn't have been Texas Linux Fest without
Brent, so we really appreciate that.
That's right. Thank you, everybody, who helped us out. If you'd like to support
the show and get in on the boosting fun, you can do it a couple of different ways.
fountain.fm is the easiest one because they host

(01:24:59):
all the stuff for you that's like you know they take care
of it it's pre-packaged ready to go you just got to get connected to
a debit card or get some sats in there but if you
want to go the ultimate champion route you can
do an albi hub it's a self-hosted setup from top to bottom that plugs into the
back end of a lot of different apps so flexible open infrastructure and it's

(01:25:19):
a lot of fun albi hub or if you just want to get started fountain.fm and thank
you everyone who supports with the
membership over at jupyter.party or linuxunplugged.com slash membership.

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So let's talk about our pick this week. Michael Arbel found this one over at
Pharonix, but we had to include it because we still have such a soft spot for the TUI.
It's called ISD, Interactive System D, a better way to work with System D units.
Yes, ISD is a better deal.
And it's a keyboard-focused, highly customizable TUI with some really fun features.

(01:26:10):
You can quickly switch between system and user units, which is nice.
The graphical interface is sort of split into two segments.
making it really easy to read the list but then also read the individual unit and what it does.
You installed it on your machine. I see you got access to the journal in there.
You can see dependencies of different unit files.
Yes. So not only do you get the status by default but it's really easy to then

(01:26:31):
go see okay what are the latest logs for that unit and then also there's a cat
tab so you can just see what is the actual unit file itself.
Yeah you can do user or system wide and so actually it turns out we had this in a previous episode.
No we did?
It was literally the same month it first came out. So I think it might have been like a bonus pick.
As a look, we've just seen this kind of being floated out there.

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But since then, it's been continued to be developed. They just had released 060.
And since then, it's also been packaged in Nix. So it seemed like an appropriate
sort of re-pick to now that's, I think, really usable.
All right. You got a Nix angle in there. Well done, sir. Yeah,
it looks good. And seemingly pretty simple to get going.
And did we catch the license? We always try to... Yes.

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the license is, survey says GPL, I think 2? Why didn't they list it on the thing?
But it's a GNU public license. And it is also mostly written in Python.
83% Python. That'll get the job done for you.
So go out forth, try it. If you want to send us one, you can boost in a pic,
or you can go to linuxunplugged.com slash contact and send one in to us.

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Oh, yeah, it's GPL3.
Yeah, I thought so. Yeah, we try to check. We try to check.
That's one of the things, you know, somebody one time sent in a feedback item
to the show saying, hey, could you check the licenses for the pics?
And we try to do it every time. We really take your feedback very seriously.
So it's linuxunplugged.com slash contact, or you can send us a boost.
Assuming our race against time goes okay, next episode we should be back in

(01:27:59):
the studio at our regular Sunday, 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern time.
Yeah, getting some latest and greatest updates on what's going on with the Ubuntu
desktop in their upcoming release.
Yeah, and also we'll have our experience of checking in with System76 and getting
a hands-on tour of the latest and greatest in cosmic development,
too. Should have a lot to report.

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Of course, we have links and all types of things at linuxunplugged.com.
It's a website, so there's just stuff you can put on there. It's awesome.
All the RSS feeds and put in the all-shows feed if you like that.
Yeah. You want links to what we talked about today? That's there, linuxunplugged.com.
You can also find ways to watch and listen to us live over there.
Too. Sure. Mumble info is over there, too. Matrix info is over there,

(01:28:46):
too. It's just really, it's a resource. But what should they know if they're a pro listener, Wes?
Oh, if you're a pro listener with a podcasting 2.0 app, or even,
you know, these days with Antenapod, well, you get access to our premium podcasting
2.0 cloud chapters, as well as transcripts with speaker diarization.
That's right. Speaker diarization in the right app. How fancy is that?

(01:29:07):
Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode, and we'll see you right
back here next Tuesday, as in Sunday.

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