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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join
us as we dive into the deep end of the
unexplainable world and try to piece together what happened. If
you are listening to Locations Unknown.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What's up everybody, and welcome back to another episode of
Locations Unknown. I'm your co host, Joey. I don't with
me as always as a guy who would have stopped
the mount Etna eruption Mike Vanda Bogart.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Thank you, Joe, and thank you once again to all
of our loyal listeners for tuning in. Just a couple
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that's a two week from now, Mike Problem.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so yeah, I agree, that's a two week from now,
mic Problem.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh yeah. And Joe, and so we're probably going to
be taking the month of July off as we get
the new studio up and running. We'll probably we'll still
be posting stuff, but you won't. We won't be doing
a normal episode during that time. Yep, other than Matt
any updates from you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Nope? All right, all right, everybody, let's gear up and
get out to explore locations unknown. April twenty ten, a
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young American backpacker set out alone on a trek through
Nepal's scenic Langtang Valley. She was last seen confidently hiking
along a popular trail, but then vanished without a trace.
Despite exhaustive searches, not a single piece of evidence emerged.
This disappearance remains what of Nepal's most puzzling mysteries, leaving
her family still searching for answers more.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Than a decade later.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Was it a tragic accident or did she fall victim
of something darker? Join us this week as we investigate
the case of Aubrey Sacho. So this case brings us
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all the way to lang Tang National Park. That's the
main trucking trail between the Lama Hotel about eighty one
hundred and four feet and Rimchi.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Haven't been there myself yet.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, I have not been to Lantang National Park, but
I want to go. Yeah. This is a standard, well
trodden section of the trail that follows lang Tang Cola River.
The walk between these two points is short, typically taking
only twenty to thirty minutes. So, as we said, the intro.
It is in Nepal. It was established in nineteen seventy six.
We don't have any information on visitors or habitation. They
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don't keep as good records as week.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
What I found was before so before COVID, they were
getting about they'd get like fifteen to seventeen thousand visitors
a year, So it's not that's it. Yeah, And then
during and after COVID it went down to basically zero,
and it's starting to recover. Okay, so it's a pretty
I guess you'd call it a remote park.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
All right, Yeah, that's pretty remote. Yeah, So we'll do
some interesting facts about a pall. It's one of the
places I've been visited yet that I'm dying to go.
Contains eight to ten of the highest mountains in the world,
including the highest mount Everest at eight hundred and forty
eight point eighty six meters or twenty nine thousand and
thirty one point seven feet. This makes it the undisputed
rooftop of the world.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, as high as you can climb, it's not technically
the tallest mountain.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
No, We've covered that.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, because it's the one that's in the ocean, but
like half of it's underwater, so that's why. So it
has the world's most extreme elevation changes. Nepal has the
most dramatic variation and altitude on Earth. The elevation rises
from as low as sixty meters or one hundred and
ninety seven feet above sea level in southern to Rye
Plains to the summit of Mount Everest, all within a
distance of ninety three miles or one hundred and fifty kilometers.
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That is pretty crazy. That's some good elevation gain. Yeah,
that's a mild I wonder if anyone's ever done ocean
a summit and back again. I'm sure it feels like somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Somebody probably has done that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah. This creates an astonishing diversity of climates ecosystems, from
tropic generals to Arctic like conditions. Nepal's national flag is
the only one in the world that is not a
quadrilateral or a four sided shape. Is made of two
stacked triangular pennants, representing the Himalayan mountains and two in
the two major religions, Hinduism and Buddhism. The sun and
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moon symbols represent the hope that the nation will last
as long as the celestial bodies.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
You have to pull that up at some point this episode.
We'll pull it up. Curious.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, once you start talking, I'll get on there. And
Nepal uses its own official calendar, the Berkram's Sumbat or BS,
which is approximately fifty six point seven years ahead of
the Gregorian calendar AD. For example, the year twenty twenty
four eighty corresponds to the year twenty eighty one BS.
The Nepali New Year typically falls in mid April, so
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they're living in the future.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
They are.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They're living way in the future.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And if you were, you could do two New Year
parties in a row in one year.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Hmmm, that sounds like a good time. I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
The Jungles of southern Nepal, particularly the Chipwan National Park
another UNESCO se right our home to a rare one
horned rhinoceros and the elusive Bengal tiger. The country is
one of the best places in the world to see
these magnificent animals. Despite being sandwiched between two historical giants,
British India and Imperial China, Nepal was never formally colonized
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British India, British India, what I say British then India. Oh,
it maintained its sovereignty through a combination of fierce resistance,
strategic diplomacy, and its formidable mountain terrain. It's just hard
to get to Yeah, that's like, never mind.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's probably the main reason all those other things sound interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They tried a couple of times, like nah, we'll just
move on. Yeah, a little bit about the climate. The
area where Aubrey Sako disappeared, between the Lama Hotel and Rimsheet,
at an elevation of about twenty four hundred meters or
eighty one hundred feet, falls within the Himalayan temperate climate zone.
This climate is not static. It is dramatically influenced by
both altitude and the powerful South Asian monsoon cycle. The
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result this results in four distinct season than, each presenting
vastly different environmental conditions, raging from ideal trekking weather to
periods of extreme hazard. Aubrey's trek in late April occurred
during the spring season, which is March to May, which
is considered the second best time for trekking. Typically, day
during this period begins with clear, suny skies, and excellent
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mountain visibility. As the day progresses, it is common for
clouds to build, sometimes leading to brief afternoon showers of
rain or light snow. While daytime temperatures are mild and pleasant,
nights are cold, frequently dropping and near freezing. The environment
is vibrant with blooming rhododendrons, but the rivers are dangerously swollen, cold,
and fast moving with glacial meltwater in stark contrast, the
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summer monsoon season, which is June to August, is the
most hazardous time for the Lang Tang Valley. This period
is defined by hot, humid conditions and near daily heavy rainfall.
The trails become treacherous, turning into muddy, slippery paths infested
with leeches. The persistent rain saturates the hillsides, creating an
extremely high risk of landslides and flash floods, which can
wipe out section the trail without warning. Mountain views are
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almost completely obscured by thick cloud cover. The autumn season
September November is considered the absolute peak time for trekking
due to its stable and favorable weather. The monsoon rains
have washed all the dust from the atmosphere, leaving the
air crisp and the skies a deep, clear blue. This
results in unparalleled panoramic views of the High Himalayas. The
weather is consistently dry, with mild day temperatures and cool,
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clear nights, offering the safest and most pleasant conditions for
travel in the region. The winter season December to February
brings the coldest temperatures and the potential for significant snow.
While the weather is generally dry and clear, the extreme
cold presents its own challenges. Temperatures at night consistently drop
well below freezing and trails can become covered in ice,
making them hazardous. Due to the harse conditions and heavy
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snowfall at higher elevations, many guesthouses and lodges closed down
during this period, making it the least popular time for trekking.
It sounds like just a pretty difficult place to hike. Yes,
see a very small window to get the decent time. Otherwise,
just don't go. Yeah, So about the terrain, it's the
terrain in the area where Aubreysacho's disappearance happened is defined
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by dramatic topography of a deep V shaped river gorge.
The trail itself carved into the steep, jungle covered hillside
running parallel to the powerful lang tang Cola River below.
This creates a setting of immense natural beauty, but also
one of constant exposure, with a steep upward slope on
one side of the trail and a precipitous, often unguarded
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drop off towards the river on the other side.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It sounds really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I'm sure that it's views gorgeous. Yeah, we'll get
thee how dangerous it will be.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
We'll get some pictures of it up once I get Blathererin.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The trail between the Lama Hotel and the Rimcheet is
a narrow, single file path, not a wide graded track.
Its surface is uneven, composed of packed earth, exposed tree roots,
and embedded rocks, requiring constant attention to one's footing. It
winds through a dense, temperate forest with limits, which limits
long range visibility and creates a sense of enclosure. Despite
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the vastness of this running mountain, a dominant feature of
the landscape is the lang Tangola River itself. This is
not a gentle stream, but a powerful glacial fed torrent.
The water is extremely cold, fast moving and turbulent, filled
with rapids and strong currents. The river's constant deafening roar
echoes through the gorge, a sound powerful enough to drawn
out most other noises, including a human voice calling for help.
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This acoustic environment is a critical factor in any scenerea
of what might have happened. The vegetation at this altitude
it's approximately twenty four hundred meters, consists of dense, mixed
conifers and broadly forests, and this includes oak trees, bamboo, thickets,
and most famous, a vast force of rhododendrons. The undergrowth
is thick, meaning that if a person or object were
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to go even a few meters off the established trail,
they would be quickly obscured from view, making search incredibly difficult.
The precise point of disappearance is a natural choke point
with a unique combination of hazard's features. The trail first
crosses an exposed landslide or screenfield, an unstable slope of
loose rock and debris. Then te traverses a small wooden
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bridge over a tributary stream before making a sharp blind
term behind a large rock outcropping. This specific sequence of
train features instability, a crossing and a point of concealment
creates what investigators identified as a perfect natural ambush location
while also being a plausible spot for tragic, unwitnessed accidents.
So some of the animals in the area. The Himalayan
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tiger are large goat like Himalayan tear large goat like animal.
The Himalayan black bear snow leopard is more common at
higher elevations. The common leopard primarily nocturnal and secretive. The
red panda, despite its barrel like name, the red panda
is small, a borrel mammal roughly the size of a
large housecat that feeds on bamboo, is extremely shy, and
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poses absolutely no threat to humans. Outside of that, you
can get altitude sickness, slips, trips, falls, landslides, rock falls,
hypothermia from the exposure any of your standard gastro ande
testinal illnesses, from drinking on tree to water, things like that.
So yeah, so yeah, Mike, I remembering, now have you
been drinking your magic mind? I have been, Joe, So
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should we I'm drinking fine right now? Should we take
our free I'm doing the free okay? So am I
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tell why we have these, Well, we've been using them
for a few days. Yeah, Joe and I both have
we have our different struggles with caffeine I brain.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, so go into a little bit. I've known you
for twenty years and you are a high energy person,
but you also suffer from constant brain flog.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yes, I want to do all that I do. I
want to do all the things and get distracted, and
I definitely don't need caffeine.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
So I was a huge fan of the free ones,
but what they had us do, I'm like, if you
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Yeah, Like when they were a new company, they reached
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Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, and I suffer from the exact opposite thing, is Joe.
I am a caffeine junkie. So I have to take
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And you'd be asleep right now. If you weren't, I
would be twelve Magic minds. And I'm honestly saying this.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So the one that I like the most is the
Magic Mind Max m AXX. So how much caffeine does
that have an that one I've been taking.
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We were tasked to one hundred and sixty five milligrams.
That's yeah, that's the max.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
That's the max. So we were tasked to do this
for six days, take two shots each day, so the
max for two days, the regular for two days, and
the free. And I started out my mornings for two
mornings with the MAX. And I have to tell you
that I honestly can say that I feel like I'm
can assuming less caffeine, but I'm still having the same
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amount of focus and alertness.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
It doesn't spike, it does.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That's nice that they have some like time released version
of caffeine. Yeah, so like they said, how why it
does it? But it literally like when you drink a
cup of coffee, it like hits you and then tapers off. Yeah,
this like slow rolls up plateaus for a while and
then slow rolls off. So it's like way more. Yeah.
So like for Joey, less aggressive.
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Joe's situation constant brain FuG the for him, he's been
he really liked the the the Regular in the Free, Yes,
and that is because these are each shot you see
on the screen here is loaded with vitamins B, C,
and D. And for me, it's I'm a I get
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caffeine in any way possible, and it hits you all
at once, like Joe said, and you get the super
big rush and then you come crashing down. And I
would take the Max in the morning, and then I
would take the Regular at lunch, which is about fifty
five milligrams of caffeine, and then I round out the
end of the day with the Free, which is caffeine free,
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which kind of keeps that alertness going. And it's because
they've somehow managed to make this time release the caffeine
in it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
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Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, So you take the caffeine and it's slowly releasing
for three to four hours, which is amazing because then
you don't get that crash and you don't get the
jitters from it hitting you all at once.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, And it's your full BC and D vitamins for
the day, so that helps the brain fog. And I
test it'd have to take all the different pills. I
can just do the one shot.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
The six days I tested it over where I was
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with my two little toddlers that are crazy.
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And you need like four maxes. Yeah, I can deal
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And then I had a wedding in Chicago the next
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now you're here. No, then I had a couple more
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pop it in the morning and it keeps you going.
And the I found that when I was I took
the regular that was good for me at least for
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the midday. I needed a little boost, but I didn't
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and I don't throw around recommendations for products.
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they send us all the new stuff, it was awesome
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Regular has the clear cap, and the Free has the
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light green cap. It's great. I'll help you remember which
ones to take.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, the Regular has got fifty five milligrams of caffeine.
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I've done the Regular and it's been fine.
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Yeah, take the Regular in the morning and then hit
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It's not like some of the other stuff you can
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They in the sweetenet so they didn't put like crap
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Yeah, Joe's wife used to be a big coffee drinker.
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So yeah, we've turned down some funny ones so we
won't get into those. Yes anyway anyway, So back to
the character profile of Aubrey So. Her name is Aubrey Sacho.
She was born October twenty first, nineteen eighty six. She
went missing April twenty second of twenty ten. She was
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a female, age twenty three. She was five foot four,
one hundred and twenty five pounds. She had brown shoulder
length hair, brown eyes. She was a Caucasian, and a
lot of people described her as having a fit, athletic build.
Clothing she was last seen in so she had a
large sixty liter Osprey model lime green and yellow color,
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perfect color for going hiking in because if you get lost,
there's no way someone's gonna not see that somewhere. And
she had trekking pants, layered shirts, sturdy hiking boots. She
would always be known for caring a point and shoot
camera and personal journal. We did find out later in
this case that the camera and journal were left in
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her Catman dou guesthouse with her laptop, and none of
the items that she was hiking with, not even a
piece of clothing or equipment have been recovered in all
this time. Personality wise, she was described by a family
and friends as meticulous and cautious. Described by all who
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knew her. Her five month trip was well researched, and
her final email home was deliberately crafted to be reassuring,
showing her awareness of her family's concerns. She was described
as compassionate and dedicated a significant time during her travels
to service, including studying yoga and Buddhism, and volunteering to
teaching art to children. Independent and confident. She was an
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experienced solo traveler, which is not something that everyone can do.
It's relying on yourself to get everywhere, especially in a
foreign country. She was comfortable and capable of navigating foreign environments.
She wasn't timid or easily intimidated, all great things to
have if you're a solo traveler. She was also described
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as just a very intelligent, observant woman. She was a
dual major in art and psychology. She was trained to
be observant of her surroundings and human behavior, very important
when you're hiking alone and in a foreign country. So
medical issues, there were no known medical issues that I
could find. All the reports and family accounts confirm Aubrey
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was an excellent physical and meuntal health. She had no
conditions such as epilepsy, vertigo or a heart condition that
would have maybe led to a problem on this trip.
Her occupation at the time of the disappearance. She was
just a recent university graduate, okay, and she had planned
on a gap year. So she I wish I would
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have done something like that out of college.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Before you jump into the real world.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But yeah, before time starts ticking away, once you start
working and next thing you know, you're retiring.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I was busy having kids, yeah, non stop.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, so they're all they're all leaving the nest now slowly.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, you'll get to go into electric forest next week.
So there you go, So getting back into it. There
is hope at the end of the tunnel for you, Joe,
there is. So.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Her life was also defined by her hobbies that included hiking, trekking, yoga, art,
international travel, cultural immersion experience in the wilderness. So she
did grow up in Colorado, so very familiar with mountain
environments and had significant hiking experience at least in Colorado.
And like I've kept saying, is she's she was very
physically fit and prepared for alpine hiking experience in this
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location though, so she had only been in Nepal for
a few days before starting her trek, so her experience
there at least was very limited, and her experience in
the Lang Tang Valley was also limited as this was
her first time on this Pacific trek, so this might
have presented some challenges. There's a lot of unique terrain trails,
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but the route she was on was considered a standard,
well used, non technical route, so it's completed by thousands
of trekkers of varying experienced levels every year, and she
was not really in an exceptionally remote or technically difficult
area when she disappeared, so doesn't make a lot of
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sense jumping right into timeline. So it's April eighteenth of
twenty ten. Aubrey arrives at Johopavan International Airport or KTM
in Catmandu. She proceeds to the family district and checks
into Catmandu Guesthouse, a historic and well known hub for
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international trekkers and mountaineers. It's now between April nineteenth and
April twentieth of twenty ten. She spends these full time
two days on final mission specific preparations, so she very meticulous,
not even taking time to site see. She's still planning
for her track, which is great to see. Her activities
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are focused and purposeful. She acquires a detailed topographical map
of the valley, purchases trail specific provisions, and actively seeks
intelligence on route conditions and from fellow travelers and local contexts.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Okay, so she's really doing her homework.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, this is stuff most people don't do, probably stuff
Joe and I haven't, even.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Though I haven't gone that deep in. I mean, we'll
do a lot of it ahead of time, but not
like that live. So good for her, Good for her.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Her choice of Lang Tang Trek was deliberate, based on
research indicating it it was a less crowded and more
authentic Himalayan experience compared to some of the other trails
she could have done on maybe the Everest.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Like base Camp.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I would still like to do that someday, I want
to do that. So it's April twentieth, of twenty times.
It's in the morning, approximately nine am. From an Internet
cafe in Katmandu. She sends her her final email to
her family. So this message was detailed and explicitly designed
to be reassuring. So now this is a direct quote
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from the email. Hello, my dearest family, I have been
into Paul for a couple of days. Now I am
going to be trekking in the Langtang region of the
Himalayas for the next couple of weeks, so I won't
be in touch. It is a beautiful area that is
not as popular as the Everest or Annapurna regions, so
it is a little more off the beaten path. I
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feel very safe here and I'm looking forward to getting
out of the city. I love you all very much
and will be in touch when I get back to
the city. Love Aubrey. So this is a very important
email because it establishes the critical ten to fourteen day
window for her expected returns. So this is really great
for searchers down the road. They have this email and
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they kind of know she's planning to spend a week
or two in this area, so if she doesn't come
out in a few days, it's not you know, raise
alarm bells yet.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It's now April twenty first of twenty ten, so this
is between morning and afternoon, so approximately it's seven am.
She boards a public bus for the long eight to
ten hour overland journey on rough, winding roads to the
village to a village that was at about a forty
nine hundred foot elevation, which is the primary trailhead for
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the Langtang Valley. It's a say, Bruce Besikin's.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Crazy because it's only thirty miles outside of cap'in Dew. Yeah,
and it's ten hour drive. That's all bad.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Eight to ten. Well, you've been on probably forest roads
in the park that are I.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Mean, and just like driving around Costa Rica between towns
will be like multiple hours more than it should be.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
A fe'd good like flat roads. Yeah, but it's just
so slow. I remember our drive into Canyon Lands. You
had to dodge massive potholes in the trail to not
break your car. So that means you're going like two
miles an hour for miles. It's now approximately four pm
to five pm. She arrives at this little village that
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is the trailhead for the Langtang Valley. She proceeds directly
to the official checkpoint to complete the mandatory registration process.
Her TIMS number, which is Trekker's Information management system was
number zero one eight eight four zero and it was
issued in stamped. This is the first and significantly the
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only stamp her card would ever receive, so this is
another good clue that she made it to the start
of the trail, so this is also another good clue
for searchers down the road. She stays at the Nama
Stay tea house and met a guide Tenzen Doorgi Janzen,
who gave her a book. And this is the last
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known friendly contact that all rehad. It's now April twenty
second of twenty ten, in the morning, approximately seven thirty am.
She begins her solo trek from the little small village.
The trail desent descends into the Langtang Coola and then
follows its course eastward into a steep sided, V shaped gorge.
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Joe had mentioned this in the location profile, and like
Joe said, this environment it sounds rugged and dense. It's
temperate rainforest.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Anyone's looking, I've been pulling pictures up and yeah, fine.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I always remind you, yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Says, okay, I hope I have been, Yeah, I have been, okay.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Ooh yeah, it's rugged, it's dense, temperate rainforest. You got
the deafening roar of that glacier fed river. It's it's
loud enough to mask other noises in like Joe said,
including potential calls for help from somebody if someone was injured.
But it looks stunning.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
There's not many parks in the US that compare the
views you have here.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You can get every climate zone.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, essentially it's and then you got the rugged mountains
in the background. Yeah, it's gorgeous, amazing. What is that
big animal?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Is that a pig? No, it's other cows something like that.
I think we it was had a weird name when
it was going over the animals.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Oh that goat like creature.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I think that's what that is. Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It's now midday, so approximately twelve pm, Aubrey stops for
lunch at a tea house in a small settlement of Pero.
She is observed here by a group of his Raeli truckers.
Their subsequent witness statements are consistent and crucial, so this
is very important. They describe her as being alone, confident,
in good physical condition and spirits, and actively consulting her map,
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and her behavior was that of a competent, prepared trucker,
so this is important. It's the twenty second at noon,
and we have witness statements from other hikers that she's
in good health, good mental state. She's consulting her map,
so she's very everything seems to be good. It's twelve o'clock,
she's good. It's now afternoon, approximately two to three pm.
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She arrives at the cluster of guesthouses known as Lama Hotel.
Joe mentioned this briefly. It's an elevation of about twenty
four hundred meters or eighty one hundred feet. She stops
at the friendly guest house for a brief rest and
a cup of tea. So, after resting for a bit
and getting her strength back, with several hours of daylight remaining,
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she makes the logical and common decision to continue for
another twenty or thirty minutes to the next lodging area, Rimchi.
And she was going to do this just to kind
of get a little more ground in before nightfall. So
it's now late afternoon, around probably three thirty pm. This
would be the last confirmed sighting of Aubrey and kind
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of the start of her disappearance window. So a soldier
on duty at the army post, along with several other
trekkers in the area, provides statements confirming they saw a
lone female trucker matching her description cross the bridge and
proceed up the trail until she was obscured by a
blind turn. So this trail segment between the Lama Hotel
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and rim she Is has a critical section of it
that some people call it choke point. So it's a
narrow path that crosses and explode land and exposed land
slide screen field before traversing a small wooden bridge. Immediately
after the bridge, the trail makes a sharp blind turn
behind a large rock out cropping. So this geography severely
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limits lines of sight and creates what investigators would later
identify as a natural ambush location. So we'll get into theories,
but keep in your head about the topography of this terrain.
How it you've got that natural choke point, and then
you've got people that go out of the line of
site on the trail. And remember this is only a
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twenty or thirty minute hike. This should be very easy
and doable for anybody. This should not cause anybody a problem. However,
she never arrived at Rimchi. The time in distance gap
for her disappearance, like we said, is exceptionally small. Twenty
minute a walk along a single well defined path, So
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just start thinking about theories with me saying that, Okay,
think hard, Joe, Well, I am thinking thinking. I am thinking.
It's because of our magic mind, our free shot.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
So it's now April thirtieth of twenty ten. It's just
during the day. This would be the ten day mark
of Aubrey's stated trek, So her mother Karenne, acting on
strong intuition that something was profoundly wrong, contacts the US
Embassy and Katmandu to officially report her daughter as missing.
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By May fifth, Paul and Connie, her parents, arrive in
cat mand They immediately take direct command of what would
become one of the most expensive and expansive private search
operations into Paul's history, converting their hotel room into a
twenty four to seven operational headquarters. It's the time frame
now jumps to May sixth to late June of twenty ten,
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so the intensive search operation is active every day, weather permitting.
They had elite sharp of teams using technical climbing gear
to repel into inaccessible ravines and long poles to probe
long jams in the violent River. They even chartered in
a Eurocopter as three point fifty B three helicopter from
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the respected company called Fishtail Air and they flew dozens
of low level grid search missions. They also had canine
search and rescue units that were deployed, but found no
scent trail leading off the main path. And that's not
too surprising for the length of time that passed. We're
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talking ten days or more. That's gonna be tough for
a dog to continue to.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Pick up scent.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Unfortunately, the exhaustive search yielded no physical evidence of any
kind that some people called this the snag factor. The
high probability that a large, buoyant, brightly colored backpack would
be caught on rocks or washed ashore in the turbulent
river was a key point emphasized by search professionals, and
the complete lack of any debris is profound statistical anomaly
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for an accidental fall scenario. And it was around this
time that actually the US Embassy and FBI joined the
case as liaisons and provided forensic advice to the private search.
So that's pretty cool that even in Nepal they were
able to get some kind of assistance from the FBI.
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So it's now all the way up to September of
twenty twelve twelve, and by this time searches for her
had yielded nothing. The FBI was brought in to help
and the enoughing made it could bring any closures, so
the sacos higher. Jonathan C. R. Davies a former US
Army Special Forces green Beret with expertise and tracking insight analysis.
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Davies spends weeks in the Langting Valley applying military intelligence
and tracking methodologies, and he also spent a lot of
time re interviewing witnesses, and he conducted a detailed analysis
of the terrain. I would love to get his report.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, we should say we can get him on the show. Yeah,
let's see what I can reach out to him.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
He reports encountering what he documents as a pattern of
non cooperation and inconsistent contradictory statements from the Nepal Army
barracks near the disappearance point, which fueled suspicion of a
cover up. Obviously, Yeah. His final report methodically dec instructs
the accident theory as statistically impossible. He concludes with high
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professional certainty that Aubrey was the victim of a planned
multi assailant ambush at the trail's choke point. He posits
the motive was robbery that escalated to abduction, sexual assault,
and murder. His investigation identified at primary suspect, but Nepalese
police cited a lack of direct forensic evidence required to
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secure a conviction. April it's now we're moving. So that
was twenty twelve. It's now April twenty fifth of twenty fifteen.
And this, I think I remember this in the news.
So around eleven fifty six am local time, a seven
point eight magnitude earth quakes struck central Nepal. And I
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think I remember that because they had it caused. Didn't
that cause an avalanche on Everest that actually called a
bunch of hikers?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And yes, I remember seeing it because there was like
a Google executive that was at the base camp that
died or something like that.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, it was remember that. Yeah, I remember hearing it.
I think this is what I remember in the news,
so I'll.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Look it up.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, So the quake triggers a catastrophic avalanche of rock
and ice from seventy two hundred meters peak of the area.
The resulting debris flow and the powerful air blast completely
scoured and then buried the settlement of lang Tang village,
a key point Aurey's intended route, and it was buried
under dozens of meters of rubble.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, they're saying it killed nearly nine thousand people and
injuring over twenty two thousand, displacing two twenty million people.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I remember that was big news.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That was big, I do remember that. Pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Keep going on, look for some videos and some stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Like Joe said, this was a mass casualty event, and
it permanently and violently altered the topography of the search
area and likely entombed any remote possibility that physical remains
would ever be found in this case. After that volcano
or volcano earthquake. Yep, what do we got here?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
It just planed. I'm gonna find something, Okay, just keep going.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
So that is where the timeline ends, and we'll get
into theories. So we have an official theory that the
local law enforcement believe is the true theory, and then
we have the theory from the private investigator that the
family hired to reinvestigate the case. So the first theory
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that law enforcement believes is true is accidental death by
falling into that river. So the theory goes. While walking
on the narrow trail between the Lama Hotel and Riimchi,
Aubrey slipped on a wet rock, loose screen, or simply
lost her footing. She fell down the steep embankment and
into the powerful, fast moving and freezing cold river. The
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forests of the current quickly pulled her under and her
body was swept downstream, either trapped underwater by debris or
carried miles away. So on the surface, this seems like
a very plausible theory, there's lots of facts that would
support this theory. The first one is just the environmental
hazards of the region. The lang Tang Trail, like many
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in the Himalayas, is obviously inherently dangerous. It features numerous
sections with steep, unguarded drop offs directly into the river.
The train can be treacherous, especially if what obviously a
simple misstep is very plausible. It's happened to me on
hikes where I'm just not paying attention and tired and
you almost go over, like.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, And they talked about how there's like roots and rocks,
and we've all been on trails like that.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, that looks like a tornado.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
All the birds are flying around.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh that's the birds.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, it's bird like they're all freaking out. Look at that.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Wow that was This is the earthquake in Nepaul.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, there's like a tourist capture this.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Wow crazy, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That'd be terrifying.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Another fact that really supports this is just how powerful
that river is. So the lang Tang Cola is obviously
a very formidable force of nature. It's a glacier fed river,
so the water is very dense, it's extremely cold. Hypothermia
would be almost instantaneous. Last episode, we talked about that.
Oh do you see the email from John?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I didn't listen to it. I did either.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I didn't want to list Maybe we'll do that over
the July break. We'll have a quick little episode and yes,
talk about hypothera.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So John, we got your email. I've been so busy.
I just didn't I want to be able to sit
down and hear it. We'll do a live reaction to it. Okay,
we can do that. I'm just saying the only reason
I haven't listened to it is I hate when somebody
sends something that like matters to them. I don't want
to like just play it on my phone while I'm
driving to work, like when I actually get into it. Yeah,
I haven't had the time yet.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
So we will. Yeah, we will do some kind of
little episode and really do it, do it the honor. Yes,
Like I said, the power of the river is a
main fact in why this theory is. You know, could
have happened. So it's extremely cold, it's turbulent, Its power
is definitely sufficient to carry a person and their belongings
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quickly away and conceal them under rocks or mighty many
miles downriver yep. And the final fact is basically Akham's razor.
So it really just the simplest explanation is usually what happened. Yeah,
hikers and trekkers go missing all the time, not only
just in the Himalayas but all over the world from
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just your h hum fall, I mean not whole hum.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
No matter how prepared to our accidents can still happen
people making being prepared means you'll make less mistakes, which
it sounded like she was beyond prepared. But yeah, you know,
just we're pretty good and we like all that. Every
now and then you do something really dumb. They're like,
I can't believe I did that. Yeah, and like out
there in certain areas, yeah, one little misstep could mean major,
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major life changing thing happening.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Being prepared is great for preventing the really dumb mistakes. Yes,
that are incredibly very easy to prevent.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Super avoidable stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Avoidable stuff. There's nothing that can prevent what I would
call the act of God mistake. Just you slip on
a wet rock, you trip on a route on the trail,
or you're too close to the edge and a part
of it breaks off and your footfalls and stuff like that.
No matter if you're the most experienced hiker on the planet,
that still might get you some things that would go
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against this theory. So we've got the anomaly of nothing
was found. So this is probably the single most powerful
counter argument. So despite one of the most extensive and
like I said, expensive, private search operations into Paul's history,
not a single piece of physical evidence was ever found.
And she was carrying she had that huge sixty liter
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brightly colored lime green and yellow backpack on, and search
and rescue experts, including those hired by the family, stated
that the probability of such a large object not being
snagged on numerous rocks or logjams or river ranks. Over
miles of searching was basically impossible, so something would have
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washed ashore. Another fact that goes against this theory is
Aubrey's experience and caution. Like I said earlier, she was fit, experienced,
very meticulous individual. She wasn't reckless, and like we said,
while accidents can happen to anyone, her profile makes it
less likely. And then a couple other things that go
against this. We did have a canine search team in there.
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I don't they couldn't find a scent. I you know,
if they weren't out there right away, I don't know
how likely they would have found a scent. But they
didn't find a scent. And finally, just the location. She
disappeared on a very relatively straightforward, well used section of
the trail. It's not notoriously difficult, it's not a mountain
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pass that requires technical skills, it's not on a confusing function.
It really should have only taken her twenty minutes to do,
that's all. And as she went out of sight and
was gone. So this theory, according to the family, they
considered it very low and their private investigators and many
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independent analysts also agreed with the family, though the law
law enforcement locally said this was the theory that they're
sticking with.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah. The other theory, I say, I don't know, like
with foreign governments, you don't know what's their end goal,
what's their motive. Yeah, exply do they not want it
to look like it was an abduction because it'd be
bad for tourism or something like that. So you had
something crazy going on out there, or you word your cars.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Getting I'm just looking. No, it's good. I was just
I thought I saw something. We're good. We're all good.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Like a threat. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
The second theory before you wrap this episode up is
the theory that the private investigator came up with, which
was foul play. He believes it was abduction or murder. So,
the theory goes Aubrey was targeted by one or more
individuals at the choke point on the trail near the
army barracks. The motive was likely robbery. The crime escalated
from robbery to abduction, possibly sexual assault, and then ultimately
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murder to eliminate the only witness. The perpetrators, having local knowledge,
then deliberately and meticulously hid her body and all of
her belongings in a location where they would never be found,
possibly by burying them, hiding them in a cave, or
weighing them down in a deep pool of the river.
And like I said, this was the theory that Jonathan C. R.
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Davies firmly believed happened. And he stated the following facts
in this theory that really lead it to I think
this is the theory of what happens. Nothing was found.
We went through this multiple times. How Logically, if she
had fallen into that river, something especially a large buoyant
lime green bag, would have showed up somewhere of just
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disappeared into Narnia. And a random accident usually leaves traces,
a slip.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Point or something something.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
A deliberate crime includes, usually deliberate cover up. The disappearance
of Aubrey and all every gear suggests a method, like
a very concerted effort to erase her presence, and she
was hiking through an ambush friendly location. The point of disappearance,
a blind turn on a narrow trail is a textbook
ambush site. According to the investigator, it offers the perpetrators
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concealment and control over their target. There was also some
army barracks controversy. So the family and their investigators reported
a significant lack of cooperation and inconsistent statements from the
soldiers at the nearby army post, raising suspicion. And then
there were reports that there have been several solo female
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trukers in that area between twenty ten and twenty eleven
that were attacked while on solo hikes.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Okay, that's important. It's happened before and after. Yeah, that's
a I think that's a big key. So it doesn't
sound like that is an abnormal occurrence.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
No, And honestly, the law enforcement did arrest a couple
individuals in twenty thirteen suspected of murdering Aubrey, but then
they had to release them due to no evidence. Law
enforcement maybe was trying to do something, but I think
the fact that solo female hikers have been attacked there
in the past is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
No, I agree the previous attacks, the problems with the
army baranks. This raised deep suspicions of either direct involvement
by a soldier or a cover up of a crime
they witnessed or knew about, which maybe been committed by
a local the proximity of the disappearance to the post
tasked with security of that area is also a major
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red flag. So yeah, okay, Yeah, so the professional investigators
conclude usion. The report said definitively concluded that an accident
was impossible. He said, based on site analysis, witness interviews,
and his expertise in tracking, he asserted with high confidence
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that it was a planned ambush and murder. And also
he goes on the note that this time in Nepal
was a post conflict environment, so while it was generally safe,
the region in twenty ten was still navigating a fragile
post civil war piece. So the presence of former combatants
and criminal elements made robbery a known but infrequent risk.
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So there are a couple facts against the serial just
getting a litose quick. So there was lack of direct
forensic evidance. We didn't have any evidence of a crime.
They could have covered up the crime very well.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
And it was this period of time had passed before
their private investigator started looking.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah, and just general safety of the trail. Even though
a couple other solo female hikers have been attacked around
this time, this trail, that valley is considered pretty safe
and crime. It is actually extremely rare, and the murder
of a foreign tourist would have been a major anomaly
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and detrimental to the local economy. So it's not in
the government's best interest to have foreign tourists get murdered.
But if your one of your soldiers at a barracks
murder someone, it might be in your best interest to
cover that up. With all that said, the investigator in
the family felt that there was a very high likelihood
that she was murdered. M hm, quickly before I just
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opened the floor to you quick, Joe. There were two
other theories that were dismissed pretty quickly. So voluntary disappearance,
she just wasn't the type of person that would do that.
She was so meticulous in her planning. Yeah, left the
email like that just off the table.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Don't do any of that stuff if you want to disappear.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
No. And animal attack So if she had, yeah, I mean,
she could have been attacked by a snow leopard, but
they typically are at higher elevations, or a bear, And
this was dismissed relatively quickly by wildlife experts in search teams.
Large predators capable of killing and carrying away. A full
grown adult and her sixty liter backpack are not common
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in this area. And furthermore, such an attack would have
obviously left behind signific evidence drag marks, blood, torn clothing,
none of which was found, and the canine units would
also probably pick up something from that. With all that said,
With all that said, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I actually changed my mind as you're describing more information.
I thought kind of you said Occam's razor slip and
fall can happen and get washed away. But then when
you talked about post civil war conditions and that other
people were also attacked, I am leaning heavily towards this
is some sort of abduction attack or some violent like
she's a victim of a murder. Absolutely, And to your point,
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if the government in a post civil war where they're
trying to make it more friendly for tourism, you're going
to want to have the outcome of that be an
accident versus your country's too dangerous to travel to. Absolutely,
so I'm i At first I thought, Okay, the guy
doing the research you're talking about choke points, he's like
a military guy. He's going to see what he's trained
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to look for. That's what I thought, But then when
you threw in the oh, there were other attacks. Okay,
this wasn't This wouldn't have been considered a one off.
It's part of a pattern, it appears that was emerging.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
And if the soldiers and the army barracks are completely innocent,
why wouldn't they cooperate.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, it's not like the.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
US was a direct adversary of Nepal at the time
and they held animosity against.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, if they don't want to do anything to squash
relations whatsoever, like.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, they do. They want American tourists to come there,
and so that raises a red flag for me.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
That would be pretty detrimental to relations. If your military
personnel abducted a female tourist, that would be a huge issue.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
And she was in town for a few days. Yeah,
I'm sure those soldiers come downtown.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, and there's not a lot of people there. You
get to know whoever's there and what they're doing foreign tourist.
And she was meticulously planning and probably telling everyone where
she would be.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, and she was asking around, yes, talking to locals.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Okay, I can.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
My guess is it wasn't like I think they're right
that it was just gonna be a robbery and then
somehow it turned into they murdered her. Yeah, or maybe
they intended the murderer because she was a witness.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
I yeah, I'm kinda on that train. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Sadly, I think this one is a murder and with
that earthquake, I don't think anything will ever be found.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
That's yeah, I agree. I think like serendipitous timing for
the perpetrators. So well, let us know what you think.
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