Flight, Fury, and Feathers: Talking Raptors with Jenna Kopp

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So we have a special episode today where we brought
on one of our large, huge fans, Jenna copp I
just said that because she called in and left the message.
She works for the Great Lakes Center and she left
a pretty interesting voicemail. Me and Mike were intrigued. So
we had her on. We just did the interview. It
was a lot of fun. It's fantastic. We joked a
lot about raptors, We learned a ton about conservation. It's

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in listen to our great interview With Jenna copp and
thank you very much for all listening to the. Show all, right,
everyone and we want to Welcome Jenna copp is the
executive director of The Great Lakes Raptor. Center she has

(04:08):
worked with raptors or birds of prey for over eight
years in education and. Training she is passionate about all
things wildlife and. Outdoors jenna has a bachelor's in biology
and has been hiking in camping since she was twelve years.
Old jenna has been to many national, parks including but
not limited To Rocky Mountain National, Park North Cascades National,

(04:28):
park Mount Rainier National, Park Voyagers National, park And Yellowstone National.
Park in her spare, time she is a complete badass
in martial, arts rock, climbing and, photography mostly of.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Nature, jenna welcome to the.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Show, yeah, Welcome.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Thank you so.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
Much it's really. FUN i actually just got back from
martial arts.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
Training too. AWESOME i appreciate that, though thank. YOU i
try to be as much of a badass as.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Possible what type of martial arts are you?

Speaker 6 (04:56):
Doing DO a, variety but mostly.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Lot it's kind of rooted In, indonesia But i've done Muay, thai,
taekwondo all that fun, jazz SO i kind of like to.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Dabble.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Awesome sounds, Awesome, Yes so tell us about your role
as the executive director at The Great Lakes Raptor.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Center.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
Yeah so The Great Lakes Raptor center is fairly. New
we recently started this, year but kind of like you,
Said i've been working with raptors for a really long
time AND i actually worked with raptors In minnesota for a,
while so fairly close to you. Guys And i've always
wanted to start my own place and have a lot
of people that have always backed me. Up and so

(05:38):
right now we're in our fundraising stage stages where we're
trying to get together enough money so that we can
start providing birds who are non releasable with.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Homes and a lot of.

Speaker 7 (05:49):
Times people, ask, well like what's a what's a non releasable?
Bird eighty over eighty percent of a lot of the
bird cases that come into wildlife rehab or because a
few and, causes so things like, redenticide lead, poisoning soccer
nets is one car COLLISIONS a lot of raptors unfortunately

(06:09):
succumb to just buy us existing and being.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Around and so something that is.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Really important to The Great Lack Great Lakes Raptor center
and to a lot of rehabilitation centers is educating people on,
like how can we better prevent this from. HAPPENING a
lot of the wildlife clinics all over the, country all
over the world get overwhelmed by the numbers that they
see coming into wildlife rehab because, again people either just

(06:37):
don't know how to prevent it don't know what to
do when they do find.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
A sick and injured.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
Raptor so a lot of this can be prevented by
just simply educating. People so a large part of my
career has been basically getting these non releasable birds that
come into a. Clinic let's say they have a permanent
wing injury or they can't go back out into the
wild for some, reason and if they have the right,
demeanor you have to have a very specific skill set
to be able to train that bird to then go

(07:02):
out and see audiences and then educate people on these
things on how they can better help. Raptors and those
educational ambassadors are so so important because if we come
to a school and we try to teach parents and
kids about. Raptors IF i come up there with just a,
slideshow a lot of people tune out and doesn't have
the same. Impact but IF i come into that classroom

(07:24):
with a real life eagle AND i, say, hey like
this eagle almost died from lead poisoning and now she
can't go back onto the, wild that you, know people
can connect with.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
That animal a lot.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
More so the education is really important in that, aspect
and so a big part of our mission is getting
those educational, birds providing them a, home and taking them
out Around michigan where we, are and helping to better
conserve the raptors that we have in our.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Environment that's. Awesome how many people do you have working
for you at the.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Center, so because we're very very small right, now we
have a good, Board so we have around six people
on our board right. Now it's basically all of us
doing a lot of volunteer. Work because we're so fresh and,
new we can't really pay a lot of employees to
go out and do these things, yet which is part
of the fundraising effort and part of the struggles of

(08:15):
being a startup.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Nonprofit when we're first starting, out.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
But that's why we are looking to get ourselves out
there and get the word out so that we can
really start get into the community and start educating.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
People that's.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Awesome so how did you get into all of this great?

Speaker 7 (08:33):
QUESTION i answer this question a little bit differently every
TIME i get asked, it BUT i can kind of
trace it back to like two key events Because i've
Always i've been a super big, hiker big. Camper WHEN
i was, FOURTEEN i saw a baldy go fly over
my head for the first, time AND i was, like,
whoa that is super super cool and for some, reason

(08:54):
like it just snowballed for, Me LIKE i started doing
all this, research and THEN i got really into dog
training AND i was, like, wow operate conditioning and love
of birds can actually have a.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Career which is very.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Specific BUT i basically started interning and volunteering at a
lot of different facilities in my, area and a lot
of this work is more based on having experience than your.
Degree SO i you, KNOW i went to school for,
biology BUT i didn't get into birds after REALLY i
had already gotten my, degree and so employers are really

(09:29):
just looking, for like do you have experience doing, this
SO i just volunteered at a lot of rafter centers
near me with a lot of wildlife is too as.
WELL i have experience with training hawks and, falcons but
also like foxes and raccoons and all that fun. Jazz
so that's the very short and sweet version of HOW

(09:49):
i got into, it because it's just kind of.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Snowballs once you're in, there you're in.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
There.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Sure so were you like originally starting like humane societies
or other animal.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Shelters, yeah WHEN i.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Was, FOURTEEN i started like volunteering at like summer camps
just for a wildlife where you're not even touching any.
Animals and then once they trust you with that and
you can care for the, reptile then you, know and
then they trust you with that and you, know and
then it kind of. Snowballs SO i volunteered a lot
of a horse stable as, well SO i did a
lot of horseback riding.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
WHEN i was in high.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
SCHOOL a lot of times my family will appease me
THAT i used to be a horse, girl AND i
will deny that.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Mere technically a horse, GIRL i, KNOW i really hate to,
That but.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now you're the raptor.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
GIRL i know it sounds much. Cooler it, does, Yes
SO i was to redeem.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Myself SO i have a question more in line with
the actual. Raptors So i'll be the first to tell
YOU i don't know a lot about, birds SO i
know a Very, yeah can you just fill us in
the spectrum of birds that fall under the category of,
raptor BECAUSE i think like eagles and things like that

(11:03):
are and there are, hawks BUT i really don't. Know
we just had in our front yard about a month,
ago we had a redtail hawk that was just sitting
in our front yard just shredding something, apart AND i
WAS i sat there the whole time. Watching it was
just so cool to watch them just stand, there like
with your, kids just just while they were like trying
to get, outside they wanted to go pet the.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Bird you're, like it's literally murdering.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Something, yeah, literally just stay, inside don't go buy the. Bird, so,
yeah tell us about what a raptor is and all.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
That, ABSOLUTELY i can definitely do.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
That so raptor basically it literally means to grab or to,
seize so that can kind of clue you into like
where this is. Going there's basically three things that define a,
raptor they have to have talents that they actively used
to hunt.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
With, Right so those really.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Sharp sort of quote unquote, claws a lot of people
call them on the, end but they're technically called. Talents
the second thing is they need to have a very
specific curved over, beak so.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
That really pointy tip at the.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
End and a lot of people will ask, me, well
parrots have curved, beaks but the differences is that the
parrot's beak curves much more over and it has like
a very strong bottom beak as well to help crush,
things and the raptor beak is more meant to rip
and shred. Things and they're not using their beaks to kill.
Things they're just using it to rip up the meat

(12:23):
or the. Flesh so their feet is kind of like
a fork and holds the food, down and then their
beak is like the knife and kind of rips it.
Up and then the last thing that all raptors have
is really really excellent. EYESIGHT i could go into a
whole podcast for an hour their eyesight.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
To kind of summon.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
Up they have such amazing eyesight that they so in
eagles and falcons and things like. That you, know we
have a certain amount of cones in our eyes that
allow us to see color and things like. That they
have a lot more of, those so they can see
not only super super, far but they can see things

(13:05):
in much higher definition than we. Can and you know
when you like will film something in slow motion and
then you see the lights flicker in the video sometimes
after you play it. Back that's how they're always seeing
things because they their eyes are so attuned to, movement
so they're able to see things, move you, know a

(13:26):
lot easier than we, can which makes it much easier
for them to. Hunt so you know in The Jurassic
park movies or he's, like don't move like they can't see.
You you don't.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
Move, yeah there's some truth to. That they're very attuned to.
Movement it's very.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Incredible there's been a lot of studies done on how
far they can exactly. See and we don't like to
PUT i personally don't like to put statistics to numbers
with that sort of thing because we're always learning and
it's probably species dependent as. Well but The university Of
Minnesota Wrapped center did do a study where they had
a they basically trained one of the raptors to target

(14:06):
to a checker, board and they would make the checkerboard
smaller and smaller and, smaller and they would get it
a distance. Away and they were basically able to figure
out that a raptor can theoretically read the headline of
a newspaper from a football field, away which is pretty.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Crazy, wow.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
It's also. Terrifying i'm so glad they don't attack.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Us i'm envious as. SOMEBODY i can't see the newspaper
right in front of my.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
Face it's pretty. Crazy and they all have that in.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
Common and even owls who hunt at, night they their
eyesight is still very, good just in different.

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Ways they're the.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
Reversals the eagles and falcons have a lot of cones
in their, eyes but the owls have the opposite where
they don't have a lot of, cones but they have
a lot of, rods which helps them see, COLOR i,
mean helps them see light and things like. That so
so in the dark time they can see a lot
more light.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
Coming into their eyes than we.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Can and you know their, EYES a lot of owls
have eyes that are so big that it takes up
around eighty percent of their head. Alone so their, eyes
their eyes are kind of shaped like a light, bulb
and the part that you're seeing is the small part
of the light. Bulb the big, part like the part
that would actually light up is like all the back

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of their.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
HEAD i did not know that that makes the.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Sick that makes them more.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Terrifying, yes although one of my favorite things are if
you look up on the, internet.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Owl, legs owl. Legs, yeah if you've seen owls.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Legs, right don't get me. Started and they're.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Hilarious people took a like it's almost like they have
like pants on and you looft them up and they
have really Long, yes it's really.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Funny like.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
There's THIS i don't know if you guys have seen,
this like old, meme but there was this whole like
apples apples with the hell owls can sit crisscross apple.
Sauce have you ever seen? Those like it's this really
old picture of AND i think there's an eagle owl
that is sitting kind of like this and it looks

(16:15):
like he's sitting cross.

Speaker 6 (16:17):
Legged, yes that, one, Right.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
So people think that they can sit crisscross apple. Sauce
he's not actually sitting crisscross apple. Sauce it's just that
their legs are so long that he can hide all
of that in the. Fluff so he drove all of
us educators crazy for like years and years Because i'd
have so many people coming up to me and being

(16:43):
like they couldn't really cross their.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Legs i'm, like he's not crossing his, legs he just has.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Really oh my, gosh.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
LEGS i love.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
IT i had never realized, THAT i.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
KNOW i saw it the first time once THAT i.
COULDN'T i kind of just.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Assumed they had stubby little legs because you only ever
saw their.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Feet no sense they need that to be able to
reach their, prey, right because it's always just on a.
Reach AND i will tell you though their run is very.
Stupid they cannot run very. Well they try their. Best

(17:22):
it's almost like a, penguin like you're trying to waddle it.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
As fast as they possibly. Can it's in the.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Air, yes, yeah, absolutely except for the exception of burrowing,
owls which are literally meant to run on the. Ground
but they're like there's always an exception right burrowing.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Out so there's that's WHAT i love.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
ABOUT i was going to say the cool thing about
raptors IS i was thinking about BECAUSE i was up
in The Canadian rockies years ago hiking and it was
the first TIME i saw golden, eagles WHICH i always
thought was just, oh there's one, running.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
All, right bounce, around.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Hold, on hold, On, MIKE i will let you.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Finish but MIGHT i suggest on The Great lakes, raptors
you guys do a TikTok account where you just show
owl legs and owls running and you might get all
the money you.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
Need, yeah just steal other people's.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Content no, repost, Reposting, okay, alright so go, on go.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
On golden. Eagle oh, no so.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
YEAH i was up in The Canyean rockies hiking and
it was the first. Time we were sitting having a
beer at the end of the day by this, lake
and these golden eagles were like just flying down and
grabbing these massive fish right out of the. Water AND
i WAS i thought a golden eagle was like a
made up like thing for. MASCOTS i didn't think they
were real. Birds but it got me thinking about just

(18:43):
the raptors in general have such a you, know their.
Food some are primarily like they'll get fish out of the.
Water some will go for small game on the. Ground
some attack birds right out of the air and they're
scavengers their. Predators it's just kind of amazing in some
adapt to urban environments really, well and summer it's.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
It's amaze in golden eagles in. Particular one of my
favorite things to talk about them is they so you,
know when we think of fast, birds we think of
the paragon. Falcon and when you look at the paragon,
falcon you're, like this bird.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
Is obviously like evolved for.

Speaker 7 (19:19):
Speed it's got like the super pointy wings and the slim.
Body when you look at a golden, eagle you're, like
that bird should not go.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Fast like it's a big.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
Bird the golden eagle can dive up to one hundred
miles per, hour which is insane because they weigh the
female's way up to fourteen to fifteen.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Pounds, yeah that's a lot of.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
Bird and what they do is they get up super
high in the, air they spot mountain goats and they
literally punch mountain goats off.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Cliffs so they dive up to these speeds and they
quite literally.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Punch you can find videos that there's like some really
poor old videos, online but they literally punch these coats
off cliffs and because.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
They can't carry.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
Them one of the biggest myths about raptors is that
they can carry your dogs and cats. Off they cannot hollow,
bones they don't weigh that, much so you, know it's,
physical like it's.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Just carrying like pounds of, yeah actually, sorry, yeah, quick
there you.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
Go but they just can't nor do they want to
go after your. Pets but, yeah they'll punch these mountain
goats that we're seeing and they will grab on and
kind of ride with them down the.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
Montage you, know because the goat.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Is basically dragging the eagle, down but the eagle will
like glide down with it while it's like bouncing off,
rocks and then they scavenge it once it hits the.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Bottom but they're pretty, powerful amazing.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Birds and you can even just see through this video
like how their size is pretty.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Insane they're building up the drama big. Time holy, cow what.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
An amazing adaptation for an. Animal probably took it millions
of years to figure, Out hey we, can, yeah we
can fly at light speed and hit these animals off
the mountain and then eat.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Them that's just amazing to me that they figured that.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
Out yeah, right, YEAH i never knew, That, yeah you wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Know one of the most wild QUESTIONS i ever got
was from a, kid and kids say asked crazy. Questions
and the kid was, like what a if there was
a raptor that was gonna kill an eat.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
You which one would it?

Speaker 7 (21:34):
Be AND i was, like, well they're not going to
kill and eat, you and he, goes what if they
we're going to kill and eat? YOU i, said, well
probably if you're, hiking if a golden eagle comes and
punches me off a, Cliff Like i'm pretty.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Taught, yeah, yeah you should have said something like the
one that lives in the tree above your room or
something like.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
That just a. Freak don't ask stupid.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
QUESTIONS i, mean one of these birds would hesitate to
scavenge someone who's passed away out in the, Woods i'm
assuming if they, No.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
Definitely they they're, opportunistic, absolutely and especially bald eagles are
big time. SCAVENGERS I i always laugh because everyone loves
the bald, eagle right because it's the our national.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
Symbol but, honestly like they're. Freeloaders THEY.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I remember the first TIME i learned that they're like
more scavengers they're the smartest.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Bird, yeah they could be, smarter not harder.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
Exactly so one of the stories THAT i was going
to come into, this and it's kind of a good,
segue but because bald eagles are so opportunistic and very
much Like i'm going to take WHAT i can. Get
one of the bald eagles THAT i used to work
with In, minnesota she when she fledged her, nest you,
know mom and.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
Dad kick them. Out they'll continue to kind of.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
Provide for a little, bit but for the most, part
like the youngsters are going to hang around and kind
of beg for. Food and this was in a VERY
i don't know if you guys have ever been to
loots In. Minnesota it's kind of like up on the north, shore.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
But mostly around The Boundary waters. Area that's pretty much.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
Right, yeah it's kind of, like, yeah if you were
to continue up along the north shore up, north it's very.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
Touristy there's a lot of bald eagles up.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
There she lands, down somebody throws her a, fish and
so bald eagle REALIZES i can get free food from.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
People and so this.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Bald eagle ended up on the news because she was
flying up to people and grabbing people's pants and shoes
and literally like a quote unquote attacking right and bagging
for food because, again like they're, scavengers they are. Opportunistic
and when you're young and you don't know how to hunt,

(23:50):
yet most raptors don't make it their first two years
of life because it's really really hard to learn how to.
Hunt they have it's like eighty percent mortality rate when they're.
Young and, unfortunately a lot of times when people feed wild,
animals they learn very quickly that they can get what

(24:12):
they want by begging, people begging from, people quote unquote attacking.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
People and so the somebody literally called the.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
Cops cop car rolls, up she jumps on top of
this cop car and surfs on top of the cop
car for over a.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Mile just like this is this like absolutely?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Lying, Yeah so videos where we see people fishing and
they're tossing the fish, up you're not supposed to do, That.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
No you're, not because they learn that they can just
get their food from. People and then this bald eagle
like she's non releasable that we she and she's a
perfectly healthy, bird like very, beautiful big. Female so she
really realistically like her genetics would have been really really
good for that. Population but she's not in the pool

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anymore because she can't be outside attacking people for, food
and you can't unlearn. That and they attempted, to like
they put her with a bunch of other bald eagles
and they try to condition them to, fly and every
time they would try to get her to, fly she.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Would land on the ground and run back up to.
People so she just can't be in the wild.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
Anymore and one of the biggest things that we're seeing
is instead of physical, injuries we see a lot of
mental injuries now or imprinting, acclamation getting too socialized to.
People there was another bird that we got in that
literally somebody kept as a pet because they found an
OWL i was a, baby and instead of calling a rehab,

(25:47):
center they decided to keep. It and literally they put
this owl with their five year old daughter and it
slept in her bed for like however many.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Days oh, yeah it's just. Sheese.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah every TIME i feel bad about, like Maybe i'm
not that great of a, PARENT i hear a story like,
That i'm, like Now i'm doing pretty.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Letting wild animals sleep in kid's.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
BED i, know, RIGHT i actually get a little weirded
out every now and.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Then, YEAH i have a Golden, retriever AND i let
the dogs sleep in the. Room Sometimes i'm a little
weirded out by. Them i'm, like we're just letting animals
live with our. Children but it's a golden, Retriever like
his main job is to make, yeah and his main
job is to be as happier than everybody in the
whole world every. Day SO i can't imagine just, oh
a killing. MACHINE a, friend real funny funny. Story, dan

(26:41):
one of our.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Friends his dad lives up in Northern, wisconsin and one
day this juvenile turkey showed up on his property and
wouldn't leave and became like a part of the. Family
and it was walking around his property with his other
dogs like and thought it was a. Dog so for
a long time he had this turkey that just went. Leave,
yeah he wasn't feeding, it but it just showed up

(27:02):
one day and then it like saw the it like
became one with the other.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Dogs it was, funny but it's.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
The right time in the right.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Place the bird can, imprint and then you know you
have an imprinted, bird and they Can there was a
case that we saw where a bald eagle had actually
grabbed a red tailed hawk chick brought it back to
its nest to feed this red tailed hawk chick to its.
Young this bald eagle parent got confused right when he
landed in the.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Nest he's, like, wait which one was the food THAT i?
Caught which one is my?

Speaker 7 (27:33):
Kid so instead of feeding this chick to the other
bald eagle, chicks it just started feeding the red tailed hawk.
Chick and then the red tailed hawk chick got imprinted
on the bald.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Eagles and when that.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
Red tailed hawk chick, fledged people started seeing this red
tailed hawk like hanging out around bald eagles because it
was imprinted on bald, eagles, Right so it's very, Interesting
like they can you, know they imprint on. People they
can imp on other. Birds if we're not careful as,
rehabilitators we have to put on like gilly.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Suits we have to use puppets to feed.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
Babies you just you can't talk at all because if
they imprint on.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
You like you can't release. Them, wow if it's game?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Over so can they imprint at any time or is
it like usually in a specific window in their life.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
It's usually a specific, window so it's typically when they're,
babies and for each bird it varies a little, bit
but basically from the moment that they open their, eyes
the imprinting process, starts and there's definitely a point where
it becomes less likely that they're going to get, imprinted
even when they're, young even if they've been with their

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parents for a. While when they've been, young if we
as rehabilitators get, them they're still.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
In that like young curiosity.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Stage so even if the imprinting process is, over they
can still get socialized.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
To us really.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
Easily, Right so even though they'll still know they're an,
owl they can still, think, oh people are great because, food,
Right and that's what happened with that bald eagle who
was being fed by people so.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Regardless with other, birds that bald eels, like hey, guys
if you actually follow, me it's really.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
Easy, Yeah LIKE i ended up in a facility where
they feed me for.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Free like you just go up to them and they
give you. Stuff you have to work so.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Hard sounds like it's a real difficult process to.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Rehability what's that like the failure rate on that if
you're doing everything, right that it still imprints the wrong
thing and then you end up you can't release.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
It.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Then, yeah and there's not really a because every rehabilitation
center has a different you, know basically process and. Rules
there's not really a statistic on that, specifically BUT i
will say that if don't wear The gillies, suit you
don't use a, puppet and you just like handfeed them

(29:52):
like as you you're going to imprint the. Bird but
if you do it, correctly it's not that difficult to
get a baby back out in the. WILD i, mean
and thousands of rehabilitators do it every. Year as long
as you're just careful and you don't let them see
that you're a human and that you mean, food they
typically are going to remain fearfull because baby birds like their.

(30:12):
Vision we talk about raptors have really good, eyesight but
when they're, little they can't really tell the difference between
like mom and dad and like what a puppet, is,
Right they don't look at the puppet and me like
something's off. Here as long as you're, careful you can
get them back.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Out but unfortunately the public doesn't know.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
That so people have the best intentions in, mind but
a lot of, times as you guys probably know from
like bear attacks and things like. That if it's cute and,
cuddly people are, like, OH.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
I want it to be my best.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Friend, yeah which is where we got like the owls
sleeping in the bed and they actually chucked that owl
back out in the wild when she got too, big
and WHERE i was working at the, time got called of, like,
hey there's this owl that's like flying down and like
grabbing people's like hats and like. Heads and BECAUSE i
was like, confused you, know it doesn't know what.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Happened where AM i by people.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
What?

Speaker 7 (31:09):
Happened we really try to like advocate for leaving, wildlife
letting wildlife be.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Wildlife And i'll.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Tell, you, guys one of my biggest pet peeves and
gripes is in The National parks is watching people feed the.
Wildlife it's incredibly, unsafe especially In. Yellowstone people throw it
like it's we didn't seem, obvious, right but for some
reason it just doesn't click for people all the.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Time, yeah those are the people who put owls in
beds with their five year.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Old, yeah now we talk about it all the. Time
the videos of people that get really close to. Bison,
yeah and then you see them just fly through the air.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
And, yeah it's like a.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Truck or that that family that put a baby like
a calf in their car because it was by itself
insane and drove it to the ranger station and everyone was,
like what are you?

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Doing don't why is that in your?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Car, like, yeah life, alone even if it's away from its.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Parents that's. Nature, YEAH i don't. Interfere it's doing its. Thing,
yeah it's out in the.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Wild.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah SO i want to, ask this is like an
unofficial nature version OF. Tmz has there ever been a
rehabilitation person that's purposely imprinted with a bird because they wanted?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
To?

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
SCANDAL i don't.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Know fourteen year old me would be LIKE i want
a bird to, impact LIKE i want a pet eagle
exactly when you're a. Kid, oops you can't get released.
NOW i guess it just loves.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
Me, unofficially from, OBSERVATION i will tell you that there
hasn't been like not the like.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Why are you sweating so?

Speaker 6 (32:41):
MUCH i probably wasn't.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Me i'm just messing with, you just.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Kidding.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
NO i will say, that there are unfortunately a lot
of rehab rehabilitators.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Out there that might keep the animal a little longer
than they need.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
To i've seen that more with raccoons than, anything becauseons
are really.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Cute yeah they're trash fan. Dos.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
Yeah big militators all really have the best animals interest in,
mind because you don't go into that field without wanting
to help the.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Animals but there's always somebody out.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
There That's i'm just trying to druma drama for, clicks,
obviously just trying to figure out the dark side of rehabilitation.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Coffee table that there's been more like. CRAZY i heard
a story about somebody who was a volunteer at a
facility and she loved this bird so much that she
like snuck in and got into the bird's enclosure and
slept in, there.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
And they're, like nothing. Happened it's like a little, crazy
a little.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
WEIRD i thought you were going to say they, Got, yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
They.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
GOTTEN i feel LIKE i feel Like i've heard stories
them like marrying ais and marrying computers and stuff like
that coming out Of china Or.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Japan, Oh i've heard stories of.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
This so if someone's gonna or in the, zoo remember
the zoo they painted dogs like. Lions did you see this? Story,
no there's some zoo In, China japan that like had
a lion enclosure and they were dogs and they just
painted them to look like. Lions and, Like i'm not
making this SOLL i not know that's What that's WHY

(34:32):
i said some somewhere over, THERE i want to look
this up BECAUSE i feel Like i'm. Crazy, Now, well
while you're looking that, up, yeah you keep asking real,
Questions we'll.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Get this back into a correct path. Here SO i
have a question for. You what what's the largest raptor
and the smallest raptor and what's the difference between the.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
Size you can look this up, too As i'm saying
the bird, species But andian condors are one of the
most mass of birds in the.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
World you can if you can find a like side
by side by a, human you can.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Huge, yes they're very size.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Like, literally AND i will say that some of these
photos will like specifically take advantage of an angle to
make it look bigger than but you can kind of
see like, yeah the diagram there of how large their
wingspan can get up. To but they're, very very.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
Big and then for smallest, raptor one of the smallest
raptors is a blackfooted.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
Falcon if you look that, up they're super.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Tiny if you can find one on somebody's, hand then
you'll get a better perspective because it close up they
look bigger than they actually. Are but if you can
find one next to, somebody it'll give you a better.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Idea but they're super. Small but that's not it if
you type type blackfooted falcon on the. Glove, nope, no
it's a cause there's not really any good photos of.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Them they're so small we can't see.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
It, yeah, EXACTLY i. KNOW i mean they're like.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
They're like the, size they're like a little bit bigger
than a smaller. Sparrow, yeah they're they're.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
In sect like, insects they.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Yeah and so the smallest falcon In North america is
An american. Castral black footed falcons are not In North,
america but The american, custrels which are the smallest bird
that we.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Have they are light enough.

Speaker 7 (37:02):
To where they weigh about the same amount of grams
as a pack of.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Skittles so they're very very very very.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
Light and their falcons and they will. Hunt American custrales
will also go after like dragonflies and things like, that
and they actually follow dragonfly migrations into when the winter,
comes which is very. Cool but even Though american kestrel yeah, okay,

(37:34):
yes they're.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Very pretty pretty.

Speaker 7 (37:36):
Birds, yeah and they are sexually dimorphic in, color so
the males will have those very beautiful blue tips and
that kind of reddish, back and then the females are
like almost completely, brown and most raptors you cannot tell
the difference between a male and a female based off

(37:56):
of just, color so that's very.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Cool the malee right, here those are both.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Males, still, yes those are.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Both i'm trying to see IF i haven't seen a
female in any of these photos, yet which is. Interesting
if you scroll back, up there's a picture with a
male and, well that little kestral right there on the
left of that photo is a female right. There, yes
but they they do this very cool behavior called. Hovering

(38:27):
so you, know hummingbirds will, hover but they are so
light and able to keep themselves still that they can
actually hover above these fields and look directly down and,
yeah right, there there's.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
A good video of them doing.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
It and they can keep their heads completely still while
their body kind of moves around their head so that
the air isn't like jostling their head around and they
can still, focus and so a lot of times they'll
be hunting these insects things like. That they're big enough
to be able to take down a. Mouse but one
of their biggest threats is pesticides because they eat a

(39:03):
lot of insects and a lot of farmers will spray
their crops with the, pesticides and so The american creustral
population is actually declining In michigan because of.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
That they're not in danger, yet but.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
We try to get the word out of any time
you like garden or anything like, that you want to
make sure that, yeah if you that's a great. Example
his body is moving around his head because they can
literally like lock their heads into, place and that those
vertebrae literally like rotate.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Around so he's just in the wind like a.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Gimble just, camera.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
It's, amazing it's absolutely.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Wild look at them just chilling out looking for.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Mice, yeah, yeah they just look AND i don't even
really need to put words to, it like they just
kind of show you how amazing they. Are, Right it's
it's pretty incredible.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
When we have, Them when we have them on the
glove and we're showing, kids we do what we call
make them belly dance because you can move your hand
up and down and their head will stay, still so
it kind of looks like their belly.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Dance that.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Is so.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Cool that's.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Amazing you go from The andean condor that's society bigger
than a, person to the kestrel that always they can.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Hover, yeah and they all have different. Roles the condors
are super important to getting rid of the gross hairy
on that we don't, want and vultures in general Get
they don't get enough attention because they're kind of like
these in a way that if we don't have.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Any, vultures we're kind of. Screwed.

Speaker 7 (40:49):
Uh in places Like india where they had a very
shark decline in vultures because of a chemical CALLED. Diklophinex
so these farmers would give their CAT, diklofinek which is
an anti inflammatory, drug and then when the cattle would
die in the, field vultures come and clean up the
dead cattle for, them which is like a good mutual.

(41:10):
Benefit but the problem is is now that they have
these chemicals in, them the vultures die from the, drug
and because of that sharp, decline they saw an increase in,
rabies they saw an increase in different types of bacterial, diseases,
viruses and so people are figuring out, like we need
our vultures around because they keep us like physically healthy and.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Safe so what you're saying is it's probably not good
to spreak chemicals all over us and feed our.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Food yeah, right who'd have, thought, yeah right, right, yeah,
monsanto you would think it's amazing how everything's so tied in.
That the farmers they probably are just that's their. LIVELIHOOD
i get. It they want their cattle to. Live they're
not thinking about all the other. Wildlife but when their cattle.

(41:59):
Dies probably it took a while for people to connect
the dots, like, oh the vultures are eating that and
they're dying from.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
This, well when you think about long, term how many
more cattle die from like rabies infested, whatever.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
It probably the human.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
TOLL i mean a lot of those diseases you were
talking ABOUT i would have an impact on humans.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Too, yeah they.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
Do and a lot of times In North america we
don't necessarily have the diclofin problem as, much but we
have lead poisoning problem because a lot of you, know
as wildlife advocate BIG i have no problem with. Hunters
they are great for the, environment like managing the white
tailed deer. Population but when hunters use lead, bullets these

(42:40):
lead bullets they, fragment and so they fragment into the,
environment into the, meat and a lot of hunters will
breast the animal in the, field they'll take out the
organs and then they'll bring back the actual. Food and
so bald eagles and vultures in particular are smart enough
to where they hear the gunshot and they literally come
flop as they're, like, oh this means free. Food but

(43:01):
they're consuming these lead, fragments and a piece of lead
that is less like smaller than a size of like
think of like the tip of a, pencil that's enough
to kill a full glown bald. Eagle and so we're
seeing like this huge influx of lead poisonings and it's
not an easy thing.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
To cure and Rehab if.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
They have a certain amount of, lead there's not a
whole lot that can be. Done and if there is
something to be, done they basically have to go through
a very intense process of getting that lead out of their,
system and that's not easy on a bird's fragile. Body
and the vultures in particular are really suffering from it
because they are only. Scavengers we talked about The andian,

(43:47):
condors but There's california condors that there are not a
lot left, of and lead poisoning is one of the
biggest concerns The california condors. Are they're the only condors
that we have In North america and if we leave, them.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
But you only get that one. Chance, yeah and it's
tough because they're not too in cuttally like a, panda
so it's.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Hard, yeah it's. Pretty it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Ugly yeah you.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Don't, yeah it's pretty pretty terrifying looking. Thing it's like
a creature From Stranger.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
Things they're very peculiar.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
Looking but they have such an important job in this
in our, ecosystem and so it's unfortunate that an animal
that has such an important job isn't that cute and,
cuddly because, again it's harder to get people to.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Care, well it's amazing you mentioned this stuff about lead
BECAUSE i was actually gonna ask, you how are they
getting poisoned by? Lead having grown up In wisconsin around
people that grouse, hunt pheasant, Hunt i've never once in
my life heard about because what people typically do, is
like you, said they'll feel dress out there and they'll
just throw the wings and the guts just out into the.

(44:57):
Woods but that's a really amazing point THAT i had
never even connected the dots.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
To AND i don't think.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
PROBABLY i would bet, probably at least here In, wisconsin
ninety five percent of the hunters don't know that or
have never been educated on.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
That, LIKE i don't think any. DID i did hunter
safety WHEN i was a, kid And.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
I'm gonna do a humble brag. HERE i knew lead
was bad for the.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Environment, no how SO i actually buy only stainless steel steel.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Bullets, YEAH i, Know i'll be, honest THOUGH i had
no idea. WHY i just remember hearing. IT i was,
like all, Right i'll buy the bullets that aren't.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Lead everyone knows lead is, Bad, like, yes people shouldn't eat.
Lead we know that lead pipes are. Bad everyone doesn't
want to drink water out of lead.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Pipes, like but, yeah that.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Was that's, Amazing and you would, think like THE dnr
In wisconsin and things like that would educate when they're
getting their license to go. Hunting oh, hey by the,
way if you feel, dressed maybe if you have to
use lead, shot maybe take everything with you and dispose
of it, properly not just throw it back into the.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Woods well, Yeah, mike this is your opportunity right now
speaking to the.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Masses it's interesting because Like i've been to hunting, expos
like we have brought like egos and stuff like to
hunting expos to be like here is this is the
birds that you're, affecting, Right and a lot of people are,
LIKE i didn't know. That, Yeah like you're exactly like you're,
Saying and this has been a problem for a very long.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Time this isn't a new.

Speaker 7 (46:30):
Problem and so it's that's Why Great Lakes Raptor, center
that's why our mission is what it, is because we
want to be able to to be able to educate
people and get people to better understand like what they
can do to help the. Environment there's that saying there's
just one person can make a big difference because all

(46:51):
those people add up and.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
Yours it's just all about.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Education to your point, too and Even MIKE'S i would
say ninety percent of people if you just tell them,
that are, like oh, OKAY i just won't do that. Anymore,
yeah and they just are, ignorant and not by. Choice
it's just if you don't know, something you don't know,
something and if no one's told, you then you're not
going to. Know but, yeah it's such an easy thing
to not. Do, Yeah And i'm most them be like all, right,

(47:16):
yeah sure. ABSOLUTELY i had no. Idea SO i had
a quick question about. That when you're getting like an
eagle that has lead poisoning and the ones that, survive
what does that process like from the instant they ingest
that little piece of, lead what does like the clock look?
Like are they getting sick that? Day is it like a, long,
painful drawn out. Process how does it?

Speaker 7 (47:35):
Work so that question is kind of hard to answer
because it depends on the, bird and it depends on
the amount of.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Lead that they've.

Speaker 7 (47:43):
Consumed if they consume enough of, it you're getting symptoms within, hours, Right,
Okay but a lot of, these a lot of the
eagles will be consuming micro amounts of, lead and so
over time the lead starts to get built up in
their system and then they get sick to where they can't,
hunt and so it can be a very, long drawn,

(48:05):
out painful death if they're continually consuming these micro amounts of,
lead which is usually the.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Case so it's not.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
Pretty and usually the people that find these eagles that
are on the ground but they can't fly and they
kind of seem gazed and they don't really you don't
know what's going. On but the eagle doesn't look like
it had the broken. Wing it's mostly probably due to
either rodenticide poisoning which has a similar, effect or lead.
Poisoning and to your point of people aren't out to

(48:36):
try to kill these. Animals very similar situation with like
rat poison and mouse poisoning is a lot of people
don't know that rat poison is like something that kills
the mouse very, slowly so the mouse gets eats the,
poison wanders, outside a will sees oh easy, meal sick

(48:58):
and injured mouse eats the.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
MOUSE i will it's. Poisoned.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
Right most people don't know, that, Right they don't, know
like it's an heavily advertised thing to us as, people
and so they just don't know, that like you just
killed the owl in your, backyard or there's been a
lot of terrible cases of, these like nest cams for
owls where this nest has been here for years and
years and just one person using rat poison kills the whole, family,

(49:24):
Right and it's very, Tragic and so it's just about educating.
PEOPLE i specifically REMEMBER i did a program Where i've
taught people about, this and this kid ran home to
his parents and told his parents.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
This AND i saw this kid the next day and
he came up to me and he's, like my parents
like immediately, changed like they just didn't. Know AND i was, like,
YEAH i, mean, like just people don't want to kill
animals most of the, time, Right.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
So what do you recommend for? Mouse is it just live?
Traps is that what you?

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Do, yeah live.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
Traps we usually suggest that if you really, like don't
if you really want to kill the, mouse snap.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Traps. Right that's my next, suggestion don't use glue.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
Traps it has a similar effect of it catches things
that aren't intended to be kept. Caught, so you, know,
snakes which are really important to the. ENVIRONMENT a lot
of times the really small owls that are like this
big can fly into a glue trap and get, caught
which is also not a pretty picture like.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
That we'll see the mouse struggling in, there they'll go
for it and then they'll get trapped.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
Too, okay, yeah that's how most of like the snakes
get caught in there. Too is the snake is, like,
ah this is, great it is a free wheel, here
and then they get. Caught so They we just tell
people no glue traps and no. Roaddenticide and if you
want to get a live trap and catch the mouse,
live just make it make sure you take it pretty
far away from your house because mice are pretty intelligent

(50:45):
and they can find their way.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Back in the. Country and let it go on a farm.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Road in the middle of the.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Field watch the birds go after.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
It.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Yeah, right well that's usually WHAT i, say is like
it's a win wind well except for the.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Mouth well the mouse might get. Away, yeah, yeah it's
fair if not a falcon gets a. Meal, yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
Exactly these are all amazing.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Points and Like joe and you, SAID i would say
probably the vast majority of people all want to protect these,
animals want clean drinking, water conserve the. Forest BUT i
think it's just an. IGNORANCE i didn't. KNOW i wasn't
connecting the dots with the lead from hunters and like
eagles eating the remains that people are just chucking in the. Woods,
no so, YEAH i, know and Like i've known to

(51:33):
living in an urban environment about the whole rat poison
thing and not just the problem that you mentioned with,
it but other people's pets can eat it and get, sick, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
And it you, know or tiny kids can get into.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
That so we're pissing Off monsanto and The batsner, guy, yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
The professional exterminator. People but, no these are all. Amazing
it's great you're out there doing. THIS i feel like
it's an uphill battle BECAUSE i feel like a lot
of people just don't know most of this.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
Exactly that's why we were trying to get our as
we're trying to get that fundraising starting get as many
educational birds as we can so that we can start
getting out into the community and educating, people because every
day that we're not telling somebody, this an owl or
an eagle.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Could be getting.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
Poisoned right even if you get together in a, room
a classroom with twenty five, people not only do those
twenty five people learn what to, do but then they're
probably going to go and tell their friends and, family
so you're really reaching like twice as many people in
one singular.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
Setting and we have these goals of.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
Wanting to do these really large community events so you
can reach like thousands of. People and, again these birds
are so important in the process because they're what captures
people's attention and helps connect. People and one of the
things That i'm really passionate about as a trainer is
you have these birds who can't be released into the
wilds and they educate. People we're completely choice, based so

(53:04):
we train the birds to want to go on the
on these, programs to want to be in front of,
people and they get rewards for. It And i'm very
passionate about teaching the birds to do natural behaviors for.
People so a lot of times facilities will teach these
educational birds to fly back and forth across people's heads

(53:24):
demonstrate like that hovering, techniques so people like see that
live and they're LIKE, Whoa like they have the same
reaction you guys.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
Did if that's.

Speaker 7 (53:32):
INCREDIBLE i want to help protect this, bird and so
the bird LIKE i you, know we do a lot
of the, talking but really it's the, birds the educational
birds that are doing the.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
Work and like inspiring people to actually want to do.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Something, well that's, Fantastic and, well right now you're gonna
be talking to tens of thousands of.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
People so if that feel it feels, weird it feels
like just us, Three but, yeah there's gonna be a
lot of people that will hear. This so how can
we make this less of an uphill battle for?

Speaker 7 (53:59):
You, Yeah, so if you guys are interested in Supporting
Great Legs Raptor, center we are going to be posting
our link to our fundraiser both on Our instagram and Our.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
Facebook it actually should already be.

Speaker 7 (54:16):
There and if you go onto our website and you
click the get involved button as, well that will take
you directly to Our zephi account where you can. Donate
and so we try to make it as easy as
possible to be able to.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Donate but you can.

Speaker 7 (54:29):
See like we've been doing fundraising events and we've been
doing raffles things like. That that's a perfect example of
kind of the goal that we're looking to. Reach it
costs a lot of money just to even care for one.
Bird to put it into, perspective one rat can be
anywhere from one to three dollars per, rat and one
bird is going to eat one rat a day if
it's a medium sized bird like a rat a. Day

(54:51):
so that can add up clearly, quickly and we want
to make sure that we're giving them adequate space as,
well and so we are trying to be able to
reach that fundraising goal as quickly as.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Possible so, again if you go.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
Directly to our website click the get involved button that
will take you to our, donations or if you go
on Our, facebook there will be links in the description
in our bio for how you can better get involved
and donate as.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Well, excellent and we'll share a lot of links on
our social media as well as in the show. Notes,
yeah real, quick completely. UNRELATED i do need to go
back to this BECAUSE i wasn't a. Liar there has
reports of fake lions And chinese, zoos most notably in
twenty thirteen at THE I can't pronounce It, zoo where
A tibetan mastiff dog was placed in the line, enclosure

(55:37):
discovered only when the dog began.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Barking, wow can we see this?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Picture can you zoom up on this?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Picture oh my, gosh how do they not know that's
that's that's a.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Dog that's just they just shaved.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
It bark, exposes don't Barne.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
Chinese that's. Hilarious that's.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
Weird and he's like not in a nice environment, either
that dog.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Is if you feel sad for that, dog donate to the.
Raptors but that can help the. Rafters we can't help the.
Dog we can still help the.

Speaker 7 (56:20):
Raptors, yes you guys know those like Old Humane society
commercials with like the black and white over the, dog
with like the sad.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
Music THAT.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
I will say to anyone, listening BECAUSE i actually right
after COLLEGE i volunteered at The Humane society here In
milwaukee for a couple of.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Summers good for.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
You, hey WELL i like dogs AND i end up
getting a dog from. There and but, yeah anyone that
wants to, donate if they don't have, money you can
always donate your. Time they always need people to help
clean kennels and or if you're lucky to have like
a raptor a rehabilitation place around where you. Live i'm
sure once you get, bigger you'll have probably things you'll

(57:03):
need help. With maybe not directly involved with the, birds
but Like Humane, society they needed people that did laundry
all day, long just cleanings and sheets and so, YEAH
i just urge anyone who is looking for a way
to help conserve nature find a facility Like jenna's or
any animal or wildlife facility and see if they need volunteer.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
Help absolutely And i'll add to that as.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
Well if you a lot of people feel LIKE, i
LIKE i need to give a big, donation any little bit, helps,
Right like fifty cents adds up when you're talking to
many many people don't feel like you need to donate
a lot if you want to, Donate and if you can't,
donate like you, know like you were, saying go volunteer,
somewhere or even just like, sharing like you, know the

(57:50):
share button On facebook And, instagram even if you just
share the posts like that can make a big difference as.
Well so people can do little things that make a big, difference.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Like what you, know everyone right, now everyone listening right? Now, yes,
yeah everyone listening right?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Now who give your?

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Money give your now.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Buys starbucks every?

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Day maybe how about we do, this everyone who Buys
starbucks every? Day how about you skip The starbucks for
one day and donate.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
To i'm going to be. Donating i'll. DONATE i Mean.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Starbucks are WHAT i even Bought, starbucks like one hundred, dollars.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
Yeah for a lot of, milk five dollars for a medium.
Coffee AND i would know this because Sometimes i'd be.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Going but, yeah like you, said a couple dollars even
people just blindly spend that on coffee in the.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Morning and you can win a hold on not only
are you, donating there's prizes with your.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Donation.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Yeah so you, guys you just so you just shared
one of our.

Speaker 7 (58:47):
Raffles, actually we were doing a, raffle but if you
go to The Great Legs Raptor Center, zeffie you'll still
be able. To if you don't want to enter the,
raffle you can just, Donate like if you click donate
button up, There, yeah that should just bring you to the.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Zeffie and that's just the regular donation. Site but we
Were we.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Ran a raffle this week with a tattoo, shop which
was very, cool awesome and they could either win a
certificate for the tattoo or we were also auctioning off
a like big print of an owl as, well which
was framed and very.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Nice but, yeah there's plenty of ways that you guys
can get.

Speaker 7 (59:26):
Involved and at the end of the, day if it's
LIKE i Hate, raptors you don't have to do.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
That who would ever hate? It they're so, cool you, know?
Right did you see that bird just.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Covering with his head not.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Moving if you hate, that you need to go To
china and like fake alliance with the fake or.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Something, Yeah, raptors they're so. Cool.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Absolutely. YEAH i laugh.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
At that joke, too because one of my board members
literally just joked about taking my.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
DOG i have a White German Shepherd husky.

Speaker 7 (59:56):
Mix she was, like you should start taking her to,
events putting her in an owl costume and putting up
a sign.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
That's helped her. Retire, like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
That's actually a good. Idea that's pretty.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
Funny she doesn't want to she doesn't want to be
an owl. Anymore she just wants to be a.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Dog she wants to be a dog. Again give us your.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Money that's, funny.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Awesome, Well, jenna thank you very much for coming onto the.
Show i'm definitely gonna be. Donating i'm not going to
do it live on the air WHERE i put my
credit card number, In, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
But i'll definitely be donating afterwards and we will check.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
It we'll have to do this, periodically check in with
you to see how everything's going and how you're, growing
BECAUSE i think you're doing something really cool AND i
think everything you're talking. ABOUT i think a lot of
people like the conservation. Aspect that people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Don't know, it, YEP i. DON'T i think if people knew,
it they would want to protect.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Them, yeah so thanks for calling into the. Show that's
how we found.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You we heard your.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
Voice, man, absolutely And i'll be fully honest with, you.
GUYS i have never geeked out so. Hard you called
me Like i've been acting, cool BUT i am like
SUCH i am such a huge fan of the. Show
and WHEN i called, IN i was, like no way that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
They're gonna call. Back i'm gonna want us on the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Show and THEN i got your voicemail AND i was,
like oh my.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
Gosh and THEN i just.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
REWIND i just listened to your latest episode and pronounced to.
Me you guys were, like oh, Yeah raptor person, like
we're gonna call you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Soon i'm glad you didn't listen to it right away
because it did take me a few. Weeks, Yeah i'm
a little slow sometimes on the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
Uptake yeah you didn't, LIKE i had no idea you
were gonna call BECAUSE i hadn't listened to the latest,
episode SO i didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Know that's.

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Awesome BUT i.

Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
Love your guys' show so, much AND i think that
you guys do.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
A really great.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
Job and anyone that gets mad at you for mis
pronouncing names can suck.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
It they can go To china with the.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
Dog yeah, yeah, dog that's, right and those are these same.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
People.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Yeah, well we appreciate you so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Much thank you for listening to the, show and thank
you for calling in so that we could help.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
You spread the great word about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Raptors AND i hope we can make it a little
dent in your. FUNDRAISE i really hope we.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
Can thank you so.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
MUCH i really appreciate you, guys and we'll stay in
touch for. Sure i'll keep you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
In the lube absolutely all, Right thank you very. Much
thanks

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