From the Vault - Glacier National Park Cold Cases - Locations Unknown

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join
us as we dive into the deep end of the
unexplainable word and try to piece together what happened. If
you are listening to Locations Unknown.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
What's up, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of
Locations Unknown. I'm your co host j oh Erado, and
with me, as always, is a man so good that
if the Avengers were real, he would totally get recruited.
Mike vander Bogart.

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(01:29):
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Thank you for having easy last names too, That's always appreciated.
But thank you so much. We'll be moving into new
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
And what's funny is I don't think we told general
audience yet. So you just broke the news. Oh did
I break the news. That's fine, but we can do it.
Oh yeah, but we're like a couple episodes away from
it being in there.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh so we could cut this out.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
No, leave it. It's funny. I totally forgot that we we
only told patron supporters. Yeah, this is actually great advertisement.
You're gonna hear new cool things first on Patreon before
they actually have us.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I just like totally have a stroke.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah. So yeah, so we've got a studio space that
we're gonna be moving into April first, and we're gonna
do we gotta do something special. Yeah, we'll probably do
something especially for the Patron subscribers. We'll get you a
twenty four hour lives. I always think, because we said
we are going to do that, I've been thinking about that.
We might have to Yeah, we might have to do
I totally didn't mean to do that. No, that's fine,

(02:38):
you know me, I don't care. Yeah, what a better
not a better way to do it? So yeah, I
just like nonchalantly said yeah about the studio. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, so we're moving in. It's right downtown Milwaukee, prime location.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh yeah, it's we got a pretty good deal from
a supporter of the show. Yeah, that's hooking us up.
And it's a little ridiculous almost.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's too much space.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's too much space, and it's gonna be us doing
a podcast where we are on the first floor of
a main building downtown Milwaukee, corner office with windows. We're
gonna be recording. It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, we'll have to do a big like you said,
a live stream for tweek.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
We'll have to figure out a time. We might not
be able to do it for the first one because
you have a new baby and all that your stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
We could rotate in like guest hosts.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh yeah, well we got to plant it's got to be.
We're gonna have to have like people.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, it could just be like Andy could fill in
for a few hours.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, well we'll just do randos like local friends of
ours who like our people in the community. Maybe, I
don't know, twenty four is a long time.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, we'll have to bring TVs now we don't have
that much interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's gonna it's gonna be a couple hours of video
game streaming podcast probably because yeah, we'll be the things
we like.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
We could just fall asleep and it'll just be us sleeping.

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Some of those make money. All right, let's let's continue
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You actually call the show live because I do have
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Speaker 2 (04:57):
Let's gear up and get out to explore locations unknown.

(05:18):
With over fifty two million acres, the US National Park
System is home to some of the most breathtaking natural
features on the planet. Tens of millions enjoy these parks
every year. Join us this week for an installment of
National Park Cold Cases as we explore Glacier National Park.

(06:14):
So this installment of the Cold Cases and National Parks
is near and dear to my heart, probably years two, Mike,
Glacier is one of my favorite parks. It's large. That
was the first time. I think our first trip was
the first time I did that many miles in the
back country.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, no, Glacier foot Yeah, Glacier is one of my
favorite parks. We've never actually done an episode on Glacier,
so that's why I hiccked it this week for the
Cold Cases.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh yeah, but no.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
This is great because we both have hiked the park.
Joe's hiked it multiple times, so we have firsthand experience
of probably a lot of the places that these people
have gone missing in.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, I was just flipping through some of the photos
before the show. I'll put them up on the screen
later on Mike's talking. But I actually have a picture
of a missing person that I forgot that I took
the flyers. Yeah, not the actual person, the flyer of
the missing person, because last time I went, we got briefed,
as we always talk about that the trail we were on,
that gentleman had gone missing. So I think it gave me,

(07:11):
obviously the idea of only kow we never covered that show.
I think I thought about it while I was out
there and then got back and then life hit me
in the face multiple times and got a concussion from
life hitting me in the face, and forgot about it.
So without further ado, we will go into Glacier National Park.
It is one point zero one to three million acres.
It is the twelfth largest park that is in Montana

(07:33):
and was established on May eleventh, nineteen ten. They see
this is according to twenty twenty two numbers, which might
be still a little low, two point nine million visitors
here puts it thirty first for most visited, and according
to archaeological evidence, Native Americans first arrived in Glacier area

(07:53):
some ten thousand years ago. The earliest occupants with lineage
to current tribes were the Flathead, or the Salish and Kutenai,
the Shoshone, and the Cheyenne. The Blackfeet lived on the
eastern slopes of what later became the park, as well
as the Great Plains immediately to the east. The park's

(08:14):
region provided the Blackfeet shelter from the harsh winter winds
of the plains, allowing them to supplement their traditional bison
hunts with other game meet Today, the Blackfeet Indian Reservation
borders the park in the east, while the Flathead Indian
Reservation is located west and south of the park. So
here's some interesting facts about Glacier. The park's nickname is

(08:35):
the Crown of the Continent. It also has also been
called America's Switzerland thanks to the jagged mountain peaks that
somewhat resemble the Alps. It is a really beautiful, aggressive
mountain range. The park suffers from devastating wildfires. Fires burn
through the park every summer and sometimes during other seasons,
which each year now more severe than the last. Fires

(08:59):
in recent years have destroyed homes, historic cabins, and the
one hundred year old Sperry Chalet, which has fortunately since
been reconstructed.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I don't remember when we were there, at least when
I was there. Fires, Like when I was in Yosemite,
you could tell the area we walk through had just
been hit by a fire.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But yeah, we hiked through that small section. Remember where
it was still pencil sticks. Yeah, but a lot of
the smaller growth was already coming back, so it was
still green. Yeah, it wasn't like freshly charred. The park
had eighty glaciers when it opened. That's significant because now,
just over a century later, it only has twenty six.
In addition to being a National park, Glacier is also

(09:37):
a UNESCO Biosphere Reserve, an International Dark Sky Park part
of the Waterton Glacier International Peace Park, the world's first
part of the UNASCO World Heritage Site, home to six
National Historic Landmarks, It took fourteen years to build Going
to the Sun Road, the park's iconic road, was under

(09:59):
construction from night nineteen all the way until nineteen thirty three,
and even then it wasn't fully paved until nineteen fifty two.
The park straddles the Continental Divide. The Continental Divide runs
from Alaska to Mexico and goes straight through Glacier National Park,
on its way going to the sun Road, crosses the
Continental Divide at Logan Pass, where the elevation is six

(10:19):
six hundred and forty six feet. So we'll talk about climate.
Glacier's weather is highly variable and can be extreme. In winter,
most of the park is covered in several feet of snow,
and there are many cloudy, snowy days. That's where they
close going to the Sun Road for a majority of
the year, actually, because it's not even worth snow plowing
in spring. Rainy days and cool temperatures are common even

(10:39):
through the months of June. Hot days and cool nights
are normal throughout July and August. Hikers setting out on
a warm summer day should expect changing conditions and bring
rain gear and extra layers of clothing.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
We know that from personal experience.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh yeah, they would go from super sunny and hot
to rainy, then back and then rainy again. A lot
of your stuff got wet, and it was worse too,
because like the sun would come out, You're like, all right,
I'd hang all my stuff out the dry and then
a rain cloud would come and just re soak it
all and you're like, god, dang it.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
In fall, temperatures begin cooling down and snowmay occur even
at lower elevations as early as mid September. Packing extra
layers is the key to a comfortable visit, regardless of
the season. That is one hundred percent true.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Lots of layers.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
In the driest corners of the park, along the northeast
and northwest northwest edges, rainfall averages twenty three inches a year,
while the lowlands of the west side receive about thirty
inches of precipitation on average. Since moisture laden air is
forced up high up into high elevations of the Continental
Divide in cools, the annual precipitation average jumps to one

(11:42):
hundred inches or more in isolated mountain kirks. I don't
know how to say it, cirqus, cirks, disillet cirks. Yeah,
I'm gonna yell that for that one snowfall settles to
around sixteen foot average snowpack. That's crazy. Yeah, that's uh
single story home. That's taller than a single story at home.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, so that's the average, So just a two story building.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, I think I've seen images on their Instagram of
like they'll get snow drifts that are like thirty forty feet.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Isn't that a glacier where they have the big like
trucks with the huge like snowblowers on the front of them.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think there, And they do that in the Rockies too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Isn't glacier technically part of Rocky the Rocky Mountains?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah? Yeah, good point. I meant Colorado, Rockey, the Colorad
I just always refer to as the Rockies. But yeah.
The east side gets less overall precipitation and is prone
to high winds. Downslope. Gusts are often fifty miles per
hour more, sometimes reaching one hundred miles an hour. The
winter chinook or snow eater winds regularly create a temporary spring,

(12:40):
raising temperatures over thirty degrees fahrenheit in just minutes. If
cold Arctic air pools deep enough on the east side
to spill over the divide and collide with Pacific moisture,
raging blizzards can result. One dumped forty four inches of
snow in a single day.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
That's so much snow. Do you remember that? I think
I posted video on our Facebook of the dude who
was hanging onto the flagpole on a mountaintop. I think
it was, and he was like being blown vertically. I
think that was glacier.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
No, but if you get one hundred mountin our winds, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
You'll be able to stand out there. Glacier National Park
is home to twenty six glaciers, one hundred and seventy
five mountains, seven hundred and sixty two lakes, two hundred waterfalls,
five hundred and sixty three streams. That's over two eight
hundred and sixty five miles of streams in the park alone.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yes, the whole park is dominated by the mountains. If
you've ever been there, it's mostly mountains and basically finding
paths through them. And it was largely carved out by
the last Ice Age. Yeah, so that's really cool. These
glaciers have largely disappeared over the last twelve thousand years.
Evidence of widespread glacial action is found throughout the park
in the forms of U shaped valleys. I gotta look

(13:49):
this word up because I can't pronounce it. It's like kirks, kirks, cirks, cirks.
You want to keep reading while I pull up the translator.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Flow lakes like fingers from the bay of the highest peaks.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
The what's the one that we went to where it's
five waterfalls that are glacial runoff that go into isn't
like glacial lake. Yeah, there's a picture of us. I'll
pull up when you're talking because it's me, you Ben Shay.
I think it was just me you Ben, and say
we're there. And it was beautiful. The water was pristine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
So the highest point in the park is Mount Cleveland
coming in at ten and seventy nine feet, and the
lowest point is Flathead River at three and fifty feet.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It is sirks, you're right, like sirk to sole. Okay,
so my bad. I'll jump back in. Types of animals.
There are black and grizzly bears. We got to see
a couple of the grizzlies.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Got to camp with the Special Forces of the Park Service.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yes, Officer Peach, Yeah, Officer Peach. And he was like
the hardened like it was like little John, like the
perfect name for him, because he was like the like rusty,
like I've been up here for years. His name's Officer Peat.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I just remember them walking up to us with a
twelve gage shock and what are you guys doing. Yeah,
what the hell you.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Boys doing here? Like we have permits, Yeah, we have permits.
We should tell that story at the end. Will will
make you hang on. You got to listen to the
whole end. We'll tell you the story. Yeah, there are
big horn sheep, elk linx, mountain lions, wolverines, and eagles.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Those are just some of the animals in the park.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, there's a lot more.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Water, so you got to watch out for hypothermia and giardia.
If you're looking out for stuff like that. Jardia is
when you don't treat your water and you have to
go to the bathroom a lot. I call it number three. Yeah.
So the other thing you have to look out for
is bears. Are are grizzlies in the park and because people
do come through, they have been known to attack. That's
the story we'll tell you later where we are approach
because a bear was going into people's tents looking for

(15:47):
food and going after people. So you do want to
avoid running on the trails because they can scare bears,
especially if you're on switchbacks. You turn a corner and
scare a grizzly, you will not win. You want to
carry bear spray and make lots of noise when you're
especially when you're going around blind corners. You want to
ay bear, hey bear, things like that. Bells group never
had a problem being quiet. Yes, yeah, you do want

(16:11):
to secure your food and garbage. If you can hang it,
that's great. Otherwise, if you are at backcountrysides, a lot
of them have the food cages, you can lock it up. Yeah,
you just don't want it on you because you do
not want to wake up to a grizzly sniffing in
your tent.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
No, no, sir.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
With mountain lions, that's the same kind of anywhere you
don't want to be alone, especially if you're tinier, make
noise because they don't typically want to mess with you,
and you do you have kids, keep them in between
two larger adults. Yeah, you look out for ticks and
rodents can get into your stuff and make you sick,
so you want to watch you well.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
The rodents in glacier actually also have been known to
carry hantavirus. That's you can get that by inhaling like
particle forms of rodent droppings and you're in So.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, if they're in your food, they're gonna be leaving
urine and droppings. And then you don't. You don't want
the haunt of virus. You don't, you don't. Oh god,
I told you I have six kids. Yeah, dead jokes
just come naturally to me. Terrain, so many accidents occur
when people fall after stepping off trails or roadsides or

(17:10):
by venturing into very steep slopes. You want to stand
the designated trails. This is true. There are several trails
around there that have very steep cliff drop offs. They
even have like hoses. Remember it's like old hose bolted
to the wall to help you hang on.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
And you don't want to, Like we've said this before,
like you go off trail, you start wrecking the natural environment. There. Yes,
a lot of times sometimes in parks you'll see areas
that are like roped off and they'll be like regrowing
the natural like, yeah, habitat.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
So just stand in the trail, stay on the trail.
It makes it more beautiful for everyone doing it. Yeah.
Snow and ice, snowfields and glaciers present serious hazards. Snowbridges
make and seal deep crevasses on glaciers or large hidden
cavities under snowfields. And collapse under the weight of an
unsuspecting hiker. So you don't ever want to slide on
the snowbanks. People often lose control and slide into rocks

(18:00):
or trees, and exercise caution around any snowfield. That's really
a big issue for people who don't live in mountainous areas. Yeah,
you have no idea how steep something is until you
get moving on it on ice, and then you can't stop.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I worry too as you're sliding down like a snowfield,
and what if there's like a rock it's just like right,
like just a half an inch of snow and you
just hit that thing.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
You discover it with your bum Yeah, that's no fun.
I think anyone everyone's seen those videos as skiers when
they fall on mountains and they just spin uncontrollably. That
can happen to you. Yeah, and it's it doesn't require
too much steepness if it's icy and snowy, So overall difficulty,
it can be difficult, it can be easy. There's so

(18:41):
much to offer at the park.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, when we hiked it, I think we did some
harder stuff, but like around the visitors centers, there's lots
of easy hiking for maybe people that are elderly, or
people with really little kids, or anybody with a disability,
if they're in a wheelchair, they've got there's probably I
think there's several trails that are paved that you can, yeah,
that are handicap accessibles.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, that's what's nice about the bigger parks. They can
truly cater to all yeahs, you know, Yep, that's good.
So you want to jump into characters. Yeah, So the story.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
We've got three, three different cases we're going to talk about,
and two of these cases go back almost one hundred years,
so information is a little sparse. But our first case
goes all the way back to August twenty fifth of
nineteen twenty four Joseph and William Whitehead, who were brothers.
Joseph was aged twenty nine and William was twenty two.

(19:37):
And I actually have a poster from back in the
day that has some more information on like how tall
they were. So Joseph was five to't eleven, one hundred
and seventy five pounds. He had gray eyes, dark brown hair.
This is kind of funny the language they use back then.
You had a ruddy complexion. I have no clue what
that means. Oh, runny complex ruddy? Are you ddy ruddy?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Complexit.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, this is what the internet's for. You keep talking.
I'm gonna find out what.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
He wore glasses with dark rims. His brother, William Whitehead,
was age twenty two. He was five foot eleven.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
And a half, having a healthy red cover color.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Huh, So that's a ruddy comp I've never never heard
that before in my life.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
But think of like a like a old sea dog,
like just a captain that like might be alcohol related. Yeah,
that's kind of what I immediately think, because like whenever one
was a paramedic and you walk up on an old dude,
whereas kind of looks like Santa Claus, Yeah, you're like, ooh,
he likes whiskey. Yeah, that was the immediate thought.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So his brother had brown eyes, dark brown hair, dark complexion,
also wore dark rim glasses. Here's what they were wearing.
They were wearing gray knickers, gray wool shirts.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
This totally was one hundred years ago. Hi, they're ruddy
wearing their knickers.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, high tan laced hiking shoes, soft felt hats. They
carried light packs. Both wore sweaters, one gray the other ten.
They were sons of Miss Dora B. Whitehead of Chicago.
This was interesting. The family at the time offered a
seventeen hundred dollars reward for information on their disappearance, which

(21:16):
in today's seventeen which in today's money is thirty thousand dollars.
So they did come from it sounds like a wealthy family.
And we'll get into a more of their description later on.
That would kind of made me chuckle a little just
because it's one hundred years ago. So they were both
said to be brilliant young men. Oh this is right here.

(21:37):
One of the news articles from the time called them
well groomed, immaculately dressed city boys with a reserved demeanor.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Joseph was a graduate of the Lewis Institute and a
former lieutenant in the Army Ordnance Division. At the time
of his disappearance, he was an engineer for a universal
battery in Chicago. William was a student at MIT and
was planning to graduate the following year.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
So they're smart, both real smart guys. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I don't have an exact timeline of when they last.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Well groomed, amerculately dress city boys with a reserve demeanor. Yeah,
stop supposing and start figuring. Ah, horse radish, the brothers
were not quite Pott.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
You know. We don't know the timeline specifically and when
they left Chicago for home, but the brothers left their
mother's home in Chicago and traveled across the US heading
towards Glacier National Park. And I believe they didn't have
a car, so this would have been by train. As
they travel they wrote their mother daily about their trip.
In the week leading up to their disappearance, the brothers

(22:36):
had been hiking throughout the park, going in hikes to
Iceberg Lake, Grannell Lake, and Cracker Lake.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
We went to Grannell Lake.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, we did go to Grannell Lake. They had been
traveling by They had been traveling in the park by car,
boat and horseback from Glacier Park Lodge to Granite Park, Chala.
They had planned to hike twenty miles from the chalet
to Lewis Hotel which is now called Lake McDonald Lodge,
on August twenty fourth of nineteen twenty four, and then

(23:04):
they planned to board the Great Northern Railroads Oriental Limited
back to Chicago. So on August twentieth of nineteen twenty four,
Joseph wrote home, and this would turn out to be
his last correspondence with his mom. He wrote, we are
enjoying ourselves very much and taking no chances of injuring ourselves.
Don't worry, mother, we won't get into any danger. So

(23:28):
now fast forward to August twenty fourth of nineteen twenty four.
Four days later, in the early morning of Sunday, August
twenty fourth, the brothers walked away from Granite Park chale
A and hiked into the forest on their way to
Lewis Hotel. At Lake MacDonald, they were spotted for the
last time, dressed in hiking nickers and smiling, just ten
miles from their final destination, so that would be the

(23:51):
last time anyone would have seen them. Fast forward now
to September one of nineteen twenty four, when neither of
the boys got off the train in Chicago to greet
their mom. Miss Whitehead called the NPS and asked them
to search, which MPs complied. Following the following weeks, the
park was searched extensively and was at the time said

(24:15):
to have been the largest search in National park history.
Lake McDonald was searched in all paths near the shoreline
were checked. It was stated at the time the park
would have been packed with tourists and if they had
been injured near one of the trails, somebody would have
heard it. Per the NPS, there were no reports of distress.
Several days after the search had started, the park stated

(24:36):
that they would utilize all available arrangers, volunteers, government workers
in a systematic search of every possible location where they
could be throughout the search. So this is interesting. These
guys were obviously from a they're well off and they
The media kind of picked up on this and said,

(24:57):
we're pressuring the Park Service. You have to find these boys,
like it's unacceptable if you don't find them. Even people
throughout the US government were contacting the park and saying,
you need to keep looking. All any resources you need,
use them to find them. Sure, that was the general consensus,
and one of the articles said that it was because
they were highly educated and in good physical condition and

(25:19):
should not have gone missing.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, there you go, that's why we need to find them.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
So fast forward to September sixteenth, and this is a
statement from the Interior Secretary FM Goodwin. Thirteen rangers, two
famous Indian guides and seven tried mountaineers were out for
more than two weeks. Secretary FM Goodwin reported on September
sixteenth of that year, there never has been a search

(25:46):
in the National Park conducted with more vigor and effort.
Very interesting. It gets much more interesting. I can't believe
this next part. So, after almost six weeks of searching,
the NBS MPs had found no ms. White had become
so frustrated with the search that she contacted President Coolidge
to ask for more assistance. After contacting the President, the FBI,

(26:11):
at the direction of jag Or Hoover, was assigned to
the case and pursued many leads, which eventually led to
led nowhere and deemed not credible.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
He's the country so much smaller back then, my kids
went missing. Get the president.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, And it was stated Hoover personally oversaw the FBI
search for the brothers in almost every month, filed detailed
progress reports with the director of the MPs or the
Secretary of Interior. So can you imagine a time where
a family member goes missing and you're just like, all right,
well call the president, yeah, no, right, yeah, get the
president the line, and the FBI director just takes up

(26:47):
personal interest in your case and oversees the investigation. That's
that'd be unheard of, Yeah in today's I just found
that really interesting. So fast forward now to March fourteenth
of nineteen twenty five, So what on most year and
a half or a half A year later, the Whitehead
family distributed twenty five thousand posters of the brothers explaining
the circumstances in offering a reward of seventeen hundred dollars,

(27:11):
which would be thirty thousand dollars in twenty twenty two. Unfortunately,
the posters failed to generate any new leads on the case.
On August nineteenth of nineteen twenty five, Miss Whitehead and
her daughter traveled to Glacier National Park and were briefed
by the park superintendent on the search efforts. The Park
Service explained that the black bears living in the area
at the time were not dangerous and they did not

(27:32):
believe animals were involved in their disappearance. An article in
the Chicago Daily Tribune from August nineteenth of nineteen twenty
five stated mountaineers whom with Miss Whitehead and her daughter
talked were convinced that the two had met with violence,
and a lot of people thought that they may have
stumbled upon bootleggers, though I don't understand what bootleggers would

(27:55):
be doing in the middle of glacier. I mean it's yeah,
where are they delivering? Yeah, And it's not like it's
an easy location to get to and from.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
But you know, that was the height of prohibition. When
did prohibition run from?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I will look it up.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I feel like nineteen twenty five was probably like, didn't
prohibition end in the thirties.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Nineteen twenty to January seventeenth, nineteen twenty December fifth, nineteen.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Thirty three, So the nineteen twenty five it was kind
of like the heat of prohibition at that point.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah. So I don't know, maybe that not out of
the there's small mountain towns that are need boozed. Maybe
they're taking.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Train maybe yeah, maybe they didn't. There was no aerial
surveillance back then, so if you're out in the middle
of nowhere, it'd be a great way to hide. So
final comment on this. Dora White had believed the conjecture,
writing the Secretary of vnterior, I want my two sons
dead or alive. Surely I'm not asking too much. They
belong to me. I have a right to them. My
two sons were murdered or kidnapped in a national park,

(28:52):
and I am pleading with the government of the United
States to find them. So the mom was convinced they
were murdered in the park, and a lot of people
at the time in the media thought that it could
have been they stumbled upon an organized crime related to bootlegging.
Very interesting case. I had never heard of this before.

(29:12):
It's over one hundred almost one hundred years old. It's weird.
When you go to the National Park Service cold case
page they have there's twenty or tw twenty nine people
on there, but this is a cold case. They weren't found.
Why don't they I don't know why they don't list these,
But okay, moving on to our next case. Two out
of three here, This one takes us to August thirteenth

(29:35):
of nineteen thirty four, so still going back quite a ways.
Gentlemen's name was Frederick H. Lumley. They went missing, like
I said, August thirteenth of nineteen thirty four. He was
a male, age twenty seven. I don't, unfortunately, have any
more description about him. I couldn't find any additional information.

(29:56):
He was an Ohio State University assistant professor, age twenty
sevens are a professor, probably a pretty smart guy. Yeah. Again,
we don't have detailed information on exactly when he started hiking,
but Frederick set off on a solo hike from Goat.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Haunt Hot Hot Hant Hot hont.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
A Goat Haunt Camp at the south end of Upper
Waterton Lake to the Waterton town site on August twelfth
of nineteen thirty four. A postcard of Gunsight Lake, written
the day before he had disappeared, read, Dear k, here
is the drink that satisfies I have been having early morning,
afternoon and evening cocktails of the one and only Aqua

(30:39):
Pura a la Many Glacier, but swimming is out. Two
cold baths have sufficed to prove to me that uncleanliness
is preferable to uncomfortableness anytime. So very proper postcard. So
obviously he went on a solo hike and disappeared. So
after his disap appearance. This comes from the National Park

(31:02):
Service twenty eight experienced woodsman Search the trails. A boat
patrolled the shores of Waterton Lake and Climber's check nearby
Mount Cleveland. The search continued until winter set in, then
resumed in the summer of nineteen thirty five. Frederick's father
off also offer a five hundred dollars reward, but the
Ohio State University professor was never found again. On this case,

(31:26):
the FBI and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police helped the investigation,
but neither were able to find any clues to solve
the disappearance. So this gentleman again went missing. Two cases
pretty close to each other. Our third case we're going
to jump forward to. And I don't know, is there
anything you want to share now I'm flipping through photos.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Just look at how clear the water is? You remember that, right?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's just pristine.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I think that's the biggest thing I took away from
this park is just it's pure pristine.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Look at Google Earth. Look at it's Google Earth image.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
When you look at it, you're like, look it, how
awesome those mountains look it? And it really is obviously
better than that. But it's like this aggressive.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
So can you find pictures of the lakes that they
were mentioned? So like Upper Waterton Lake, Upper Waterton and
what are some of the other lakes? I mentioned Cracker
Lake Grenell Lake too since we were there.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, I pulled one of them up.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Was pictures from Grannell Lake Okay, oh, and then Gunsight Lake.
I never heard. I've never heard of any of these
lakes other than Grenell. I think Garnell's isn't that near
a visitor center?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Well, yeah, because it's the Grenell Glacier and that's why
I went like, the Grannell glacier feeds into it, and
I think that's it if I'm remembering appropriately.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Let's see if I even have the picture from that
one from our trip.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, it's one of these. Because this is a picture.
If you zoom in, that's you. That's how big this
photo is. Yeah, it gives you an idea to look
at it. That's you. I think that's Ben and you
just go out. It's so vest It's just huge because
that's a glacier up in there that feeds one of
the lakes. You can see the waterfall kind of there. Yeah,
like Loily, there's Shay way over there. This is just

(33:09):
this is an example too for those watching how steep
It doesn't look that steep. If that was ice and snow,
you could just slide and just not stop til you
hit the hidden rock with your bomb or you get
all the way to the bottom. And that's where it's
so beautiful, but it can be dangerous in the winter.
For those listening, we're just looking at almost like a you,
and this trail goes around this internal you, and you

(33:29):
could see like this is all carved out from the
big glaciers from the ice age. Yeah, it's really really cool.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, so far furies on the first two cases I've
talked about any ideas.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Or with it being so long ago, I I definitely
feel like it's more not being prepared. Yeah maybe, Yeah,
I think are just lack of gear. You're out in
the wilderness one hundred years ago compared to out in
the wilders now. Yeah, it's rugged when we went back country. Yeah,

(34:03):
so I can't imagine what it was like when they
were out there.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think with the first case, and we'll get into
third case a minute, I think I find it strange
that two people disappeared on the same hike. That makes
me think that some kind of criminal activity is more likely, or.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
An accident, but both of them, if one falls, the
other one tries to help them.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
We've been doing a lot of cases. Have we ever
done a case where other than that father and son
that went and that only happened because the father was
missing and then the son went to look for him
and got lost.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
We even never had a case where two individuals have
gone missing at the same time and never were found. Yeah,
it's just it's unusual. It Usually what happens is people
be in a big group and one person will veer
off and do their own thing and then goes missing.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden they never return. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I perhaps they did come into contact with some bootleggers
and we're both grizzlies or grizzlies.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
And you don't have the tech technology and well at
irony is they said they got like local Indian guides
to go look for them. That was probably the best
thing you could have. I'm sure those people had the
whole park map like the back of their hand. Yeah,
and they found no trace of them.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Now, and obviously, search techniques back one hundred years ago
probably don't compare to a sophisticated search in twenty twenty three.
They don't have any aerial surveillance. It didn't sound like
in that first case that they used any kind of dogs,
you know it. These people none of them are probably

(35:37):
trained and I didn't even probably back then they didn't
even train in I think professional search and rescue technically.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm sure they got the professional trackers out and that
was like okay, and then if anyone else volunteers, is like,
all right, here's where we think they were go.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, and if they had gone missing in twenty twenty two,
maybe they would have been found with today's technology. Maybe not.
I think the second case a solo hiker. That seems
that's more in line with a lot of cases we've
covered and so long ago. We don't have a lot
of details of the case, but in that letter, he's

(36:11):
talking about swimming in cold glacial lakes.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I tried, I've tried it.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
It's so cold, it's brutal. Maybe maybe he suffered a
medical emergency swimming in one of those lakes and drowned.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Or just got hypothermia yeah, on the way out, or
was out too long.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I think my theory on the second one is something
water related, just only because we don't have a lot
of information, But he talks about swimming, even though he
says he doesn't want to do it anymore. It means
he has done it and he's hiking alone. We don't
know what kind of gear he had with him. My
theory on the second one is probably something in there's

(36:50):
so many lakes in Glacier, would we say two hundred
or I think a lot of them are unnamed even
I don't think they're all named.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, they'll be like the names that people come up
with when they are people.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Just give them names.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I think I read that there's a lot of
lakes in Glacier that are officially unnamed. Seven hundred and
sixty two lakes.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, and that's where where was I with you on
the trip where we were talking the trail guide and
they were talking about their secret lakes that they go to.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
It might have been it might have been Glacier.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, I know it was Glacier. I just didn't know
if it was with you or the last group I
went with. But we were talking to some trail guides
that basically said, like the people that work there no
routes and things to lakes that are unnamed that no
one knows how to get to. Oh, absolutely, because there's
so much space. That's like they're a little where they
get away.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, so perhaps he went off trail, went swinging in
one of these unnamed lakes and that was the end
of it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, so far.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Case number one, I think it was foul play, just
because it's unusual they have two people go missing on
the same trail, or maybe a grizzly attack.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Case two, I think it hits something water related.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'm with you on that one.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
In that day and age, they're not going to have
the technology to do a thorough search of the lake bottoms,
and with seven hundred and sixty two lakes, it'd be
a crapshoot, probably picking which ones.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, and that was September, so it's starting to get cold.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah. Yeah. So our third case, we're bringing it back
to more recent times. The gentleman of our third case,
his name was Patrick Whalen. He went missing on November
twentieth of year two thousand. He was a male, aged
thirty three. He was six feet, one hundred and fifty
five pounds, ye, blonde strawberry hair, hazel eyes with wireframed glasses.

(38:34):
A little bit about his personality from friends, this guy
sounded like just a amazing, like special human being. He
loved to help people, working with migrant farmhands and hiking
arrase money for cystic fibrosis research. Before leaving Ohio, he
volunteered for Habitat Humanity and the Cleveland Food Bank. He
once took a panhandler into a sandwich shop and bottom

(38:55):
a meal. He also joined university hospitals, but a university hospital,
but quit in nineteen ninety two for what he called
a hike for life along the Pacific Crest Trail with
an old friend from Saint Anne. Mounting snow and fatigue
prompted the friends to cut short the twenty six hundred
mile trek.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Occupation hobbies.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
He graduated from Saint Anne's grade school, and he got
a bachelor's degree in nursing. He was a registered nurse.
I need to become a doctor in nature pathy.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Do I say that right?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
An atu are naturopathy naturopathy which stresses natural health care.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
We're gonna throw it in the old translate man, that
we pay so dollars for what is?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh my god, turn the volume up on with that
natural path naturopathy, naturopathy, he said, nature opathy oops close.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
He loved Patrick loved to hike.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
He actually his friends said he earned the title Survivalist
due to hiking thousands of miles along the Pacific Crest
Trail and spending hundreds of hours in various natural parks.
I would say is experienced. He had been to Glacier
many times, and enough times that rangers actually remembered various
contacts with him, where they said he seemed normal, no issues,

(40:14):
so very interesting individuals. So in early November two thousand,
Patrick's father had contacted the US Park Service, explaining that
he hadn't heard from his son and was worried that
something might be wrong. The park told him that they
didn't have any recent encounters with him, but would keep
his name on file. So on eleven November two of

(40:36):
two thousand, while driving his truck on US Highway eighty nine,
Patrick actually hit a deer. Witnesses in the area saw
Patrick put a pillow under the deer's head, place a
blanket over it, and then leave food near its mouth.
It did appear, though, that Patrick had abandoned his truck
and left to backpack into Glacier National Park, which I

(40:56):
find strange. I don't know why why he would do that,
and it was unclear from reports if the truck was
still operate in operating condition, but the truck was towed
by orders of the local police and was impounded on
November third of two thousand. For almost for half a year,
there was no activity regarding Patrick and any NPS reports

(41:20):
until May tenth of two thousand and one, when his
father once again contacted the park service because he hadn't
heard anything. So now it gets a little interesting. On
May twenty seventh of two thousand and one, park ranger
Michelle Madland was on a routine hike with a former
park employee in the Atlantic Creek campground area when she

(41:41):
came across something strange. According to her report, she stated
that she had found an abandon She had found abandoned
backpacking equipment in a campsite. She stated that she found
a tent that was partially falling down, but had obviously
been there throughout the winner. It was a blue Arii
brand tent. They had all the zippers closed and no

(42:02):
tears in the fabric, and the tent was sealed. Michelle
looked inside the tent and found everything you'd expect in
a tent for someone who was sleeping, except the person.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
The ranger found a pair of.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Boots, wool hat, mittens, a pack under her shorts and
other clothing, toiltrees, a stove, food, water, water filtration system,
and a commercial driver's license belonging to Patrick. So they
found Patrick's camp. What was missing was an empty buck
knife case, so his buck knife was missing, which is interesting.

(42:35):
So Michelle and her coworker took photos of the site
and then hung the food from ropes so the bears
couldn't get it. She also stated in her report that
it looked like the bears or any other animals hadn't
disturbed the site. At that point, she was deep enough
in the park that she couldn't establish radio contact with HQ,
so they hiked out the area and contacted other backcountry rangers.

(42:58):
On May twenty eighth, additional rangers hiked out to the
site and started an inside out search that consisted of
an extensive investigation of the site and a detailed search
of the area. Rangers also learned that Patrick's truck, which
at this point had now been towed over six months ago,
was still in the to loot. His truck was searched,

(43:20):
but no additional clues were found. On May thirtieth, Kidaver
dogs were brought into the Atlantic Creek campground area and
were searching for any indication that a body was in
the area. It Sadly, after several hours of searching, the
dog handlers were convinced that there was no body in
the area. So park officials do not believe Patrick wintered

(43:43):
at the camp, but instead point to evidence suggesting the
site had been abandoned since last fall. Patrick was also
not issued a backcountry permit to camp and glacier, which
is required by park policy park and so this is
interesting too. Park and tribal investigators were told by Patrick's
friends and family that the missing man had exhibited symptoms

(44:04):
of unusual and potentially obsessive behavior, including paranoia, which may
have played a role in his disappearance. That's too bad
that there's not a lot of information on this case
on the internet, sadly, and it's still an open case.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah. One of the first images is from our website.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Is it really?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, that's what I looked at like an image and like, oh,
we already have a Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Perfect.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
So a very strange case. A few is suffering from
mental health issues. That makes more sense that would Yeah,
I don't understand why if you hit a deer you
would leave your car and just go off into the woods.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, that sounds like something that someone would do. That's
not in the right state of mind. Fortunately.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
What's interesting, though, is what was left in his tent.
In my mind, so pretty much all of his gear
except his knife were in his tent, which makes we
wonder did he was he sleeping one night and got
startled and grabbed his knife and went outside to see
what was going on and then never came back to
the tent. Went he cut some wood up or something

(45:11):
like that or something, But even his boots were left
in the tent. So it makes me think like it
was in a panic, like something happened and he panicked,
and if maybe if he was suffering from paranoia, he for.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Some year buy yourself out there, Yeah, I get paranoid
when i'm out there.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And if he could have been out there for weeks months.
We don't know how long he was at the site.
They don't think he was. He wintered it over, but
they don't know. Yeah, I mean, even though it's winter
and so the bears are hibernating, but it's pretty unusual
if you had food just sitting on the ground that
it would survive undisturbed for an entire winter. You'd think
like rodents or something something would eat it, come in

(45:49):
there and try to eat it. That's so wild. So
you got to think that he abandoned his campsite after
I would say when it makes sense if he abandoned
after winter set in, because if it's still fall, if
I remember incorrectly, bears are scouring for food getting ready
for the winner.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, they wouldn't let a meal go away. Yeah. If
there you just sitting in a town, they're hibernating. You
still have your squirrels and what's the marmots?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Even the deer in the park. Remember someone told us
that you didn't want to leave your salty like sweaty
boots outside the chew on it. The deer will come
and chew on it, or literally pick your boots up
and walk away with them.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, they love chewing the salt out of leather, so sweat.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, so you would think, like you could even if
his boots are sitting in his tent, would interested deer
come by? And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So this is a very strange case.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Again, the mental health aspect kind of throws me for
a loop. If he's suffering from paranoia, anything could have happened.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I'm with you. I think that has a thing to
do with it. I do.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah. So yeah, three very interesting cases. I heard of
the Patrick Whaling case. I was aware of that one.
I had never heard of. The two older ones. Those
are new to me when I was researching this. It's
just interesting thinking, like we were in the park at
some of those spots that the first two people one
hundred years ago went missing. Yeah, and it's like we're

(47:12):
just hiking around, and I.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Always wonder about people that go missing that no one
is aware of. Yeah, there has.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
To be, especially in some of those areas, Like so
we just went no one knew they went first case
nineteen twenty four.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, everyone maybe thinks, oh, they must have left town,
like ye have no clue.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Just grab one hundred people you pass on the trail
in Glacier and just say, do you know who these
two people are? Just say their names? Yeah, and I
bet not, as I would have known, not a single
person would say, oh, these two people went missing one
hundred years ago right here in this spot.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, Like they don't even know who did if they did,
like last year, if the pictures aren't hung up.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, So it makes you wonder how many like while
you're hiking out there, have gone missing in areas you're in.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I definitely think about it way more often now to
this show. It's like, all right, what am I going
to run into on here? And how many people have
dealt with it and did not make it out?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
So to summarize, I would say case number one, I'm
saying foul play, Case number two water related, and case
number three I think it has to do something with
his paranoia. Something spooked him in the middle of the
night and he panicked and ran out of his tent
to go see what it was, and then something happened.
Maybe he got lost, yeah, or turned around or fell.

(48:29):
It's late in the year for that area. Yeah, he
he was known for hiking later in the park than
most people would. That came up in the stuff I
was reading.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Just of the weather that we know about now. Yeah,
I think it's either with you mental health or weather condition,
weather related.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
And if he ran out without any of his gear
and it started raining or it was raining.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Or blizzarding or snowing like any of that, like, yeah,
that you would not last long. No, yeah, three, I'm
with you. I don't have any off the deep end. No,
there's not enough information for me to work up a
crazy theory.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, this the Patrick Whalen one. You could say, you
could go off the deep end and say it was
Bigfoot or something.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Maybe all of them aliens for all of them, Like
there's the depend Like, there's no deepend that's not anything
that you wouldn't see in Prometheus Studios. Yeah, the ancient
aliens creators. Yeah, so when they don't understand something, they
just explain it away with aliens. Aliens. Yes, well we
can't explain because it's just aliens.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Hopefully you enjoyed another installment of National Park cold Cases. Yes,
this is a way for us to get talk about
parks we've never talked about and cases that are not
None of these cases we could actually do a full
episode on, but a couple of them together we can then, yeah,
bring light to them.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, there's thousands of these. We got to be able
to get to all of them.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah before we die.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
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