From the Vault - Gwen Hasselquist - The Original Investigation - Part 1 - Locations Unknown

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join
us as we dive into the deep end of the
unexplainable and try to piece together what happened. If you
are listening to Locations Unknown, what's up everybody, and welcome

(00:56):
back to another episode of Locations Unknown. I'm your co
host Joe Erado, and with me as always is a
guy who wants kicked down his bedroom door in our
apartment because he couldn't get in, and when it came
time to move out, stole a door from another roommate
who already left so he wouldn't be charged a fee.
Mike vander Bogar.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Wow, Joe, thank you for that totally untrue introduction, and
I thank you once again.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
To all of Jim Santilly.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Sorry Jim, and thank you once again to all our
listeners for tuning in. And we've got a kind of
a different show for you on our fiftieth show, Believe
it or not. So this one is not following our
normal format where we talk about someone who went missing
in the wilderness. We actually have a gentleman here that's
investigating a missing person. Well, she died, but things don't

(01:45):
seem to add up from Washington State, so.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
We don't know the whole story yet. We've been holding
on ye. So he's gonna give us the timeline, but
we'll welcome Andy.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah before we get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Just okay, sorry, two new Patreon A shout outs Becca
and Samantha Anderson. Only two this week because we're we're
recording less than a week ago from our previous episodes.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
So are they two separate or are they together? They're
separate people. Okay, I didn't know if back ahead a lot,
I was like it was Becca and Samantha Anderson, no
separate people. All right, Well, it's our fifty if we
got a bottle of blinds, we're pouring some whiskey for
this one. And we got a special guest in the studio.
This is our first, your first in studio guest, so
welcome Andy.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Hello, Andy, Hello, Thank you guys. I appreciate the invite absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
So what we're gonna do is do a case summer
like normal, and then we're gonna get right into the
timeline with Andy's gonna start telling us the story. We're
gonna let this thing free flow without further ado. All Right, everybody,
let's gear up and get out to explore locations unknown.

(02:58):
March gig Harbor, Washington. Gwen Hasselquest is diagnosed with COVID
nineteen and goes missing shortly after. An obituary is posted
in local paper indicating that she passed away from the illness. However,
there are conflicting statements about the actual cause of her demise.
Join us this week as we investigate the death of

(03:21):
Gwen Hasselquest. All right, so, Andy, our first in studio guest,

(03:57):
I would say, if anything, let's start initially with what
got you interested or kind of on this story in
the first place.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Absolutely, so, first of all, honored to be the first
studio guest and fiftyeth episode. I got it. Made it
for the blatants today, Yes, absolute, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You can hear planking in the background. Oh and always
when you're talking, try and get like a fist length away.
Make sure we get you on the mic and you
can adjust it if you need to.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Okay, hopefully that's better. So I am, I'm an attorney
by trade, but I came across this story from an
anonymous source that's closer to the situation than I am,
and the facts of this case are really intriguing. So
as a pet project, I kind of did some online research,
looked around myself, and really was amazed by what was
out there in the public eye and the fact that

(04:47):
there's really a lot of unanswered questions that are going
on here.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So, are is it like, as far as the authorities
are concerned, this case is closed or is it still
kind of trailing?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I honestly have no idea. So basically, there's not a
lot of public information about this case at all in
terms of news stories, anything out there that would suggest
that authorities are investigating or conversely suggest that they've made
some sort of conclusion in the case. So if you
go to Google and start googling things, you're not going
to find much right away. It kind of takes a

(05:20):
little deeper dive into some social media posts, some online
presence out there that really starts raising the questions about
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Awesome and lucky for us you've done that.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
I've done part of it. But you're fortunate and your
listeners are fortunate. There's a lot of unanswered questions out there,
so maybe some people will have some ideas on Oh,
we love speculating.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's pretty much in the trouble.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's all we do pretty much for this entire show. Excellent,
all right, So if you want, we can start going
into the timeline. We'll just kind of ride us through
what happened in that timeline, and then we'll interject with
questions that we're asking because we don't know much above
just the high level of the story, and then we'll
just cook and prod what you know. We can look
stuff up live, and we'll go from there.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Sure that sounds great. So I think the natural starting
place for the story is kind of where the starting
place for the last couple of years is. We're talking
the very start of COVID nineteen of the pandemic in
the US, so March twenty twenty. Basically everything that I've
found kind of starts that third week in March. So
we're about a week after the NBA shut down. It's

(06:23):
a week after Tom Hanks announced that he had COVID nineteen.
And okay, you remember the chaos. The world's kind of
going crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Now we're all losing Tom Hanks. That was a big
concern globally.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Right right, That's when it really hit home.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, oh yeah, Yeah, that first month was kind of
you know, is this the next Black Death or oh yeah,
it was scary.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean I remember hunkering down, wondering like, Okay, holy Kyle,
this is a real thing. Like they're telling everyone to
stay home, like globally, I've.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Seen this in the movies.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And then people, you know, the talking heads always talk
about like the next big one, like oh now it's here, right, yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
It really like no one knew what was going on
with the virus at the time. There's a lot of
information out there, a lot of misinformation. You're kind of
just guessing and figuring it out. We've really come a
long way since then, but it definitely was chaos back then.
So this is the story mostly or does take place
in gig Harbor, Washington, which is a town small town
right on the Puget Sound near Seattle Tacoma. And Gwyn

(07:21):
Hasselquist has married her husband Eric, and she has two children,
a younger children, a boy and a girl. At some
point in March when allegedly gets diagnosed with COVID and
how I know this is basically a tweet from her
husband Eric on March nineteenth, twenty twenty that says, waiting
for gwinn to come home from the hospital following COVID nineteen.

(07:44):
Shit got real today.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, she's very early on, right, that's like when nobody
knew how to deal with it, nobody knew how bad
it was, that type of stuff. So she's like one
of the first in that area probably to get it.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, I mean it has to be early in that
kind of sequence of things. And I recall Seattle was
one of the early hotbeds. Right Like we were looking
and Seattle kind of had diagnosis of COVID. I think
there were some nursing homes and we weren't really sure
if it was a Seattle thing, or if it was
across the US, or or what the deal was. Okay,

(08:18):
So following this along chronologically, her husband's you know, keeps
tweeting out some things. This is March nineteenth. Then out
of nowhere, on March twentieth, early in the morning, air
Castle Quest posts a video on Facebook. This video has
since been removed, but it's a video of when presumably

(08:39):
leaving their home in Gig Harbor. And the video is
a full minute long. It's like a ring video. Yeah,
kind of captures her from a side angle and her
husband Eric posts, here's the last image I have of her.
She's missing. If you see her, please help her find
her way home. We are all missing her.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, So she's diagnosed COVID and then he's claiming on
social media that she's disappeared. Did she He posts a
ring camera video of her leaving or whatever and says,
this is the last time I've seen.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Her, right, yeah, And you know, maybe on its own
that's not too abnormal. But the video, it's difficult to describe,
but it shows her kind of in an a kneebree's state,
Like basically, throughout the whole minute of the video, she's
attempting to put a key into the lock to lock
her door. She's missing it by a lot. She's I

(09:30):
don't think she was even successful in locking the door.
So it's a really creepy video to watch, you know,
from an outside perspective. Anyway, her husband keeps kind of
tweeting throughout the day with some updates on what's going on,
and basically he tweets this out the video that links
to his Facebook page, this is the last image I

(09:50):
have of her, And then a couple of tweets later,
still in the morning of March twenty twenty, he posts
a tweet with a link to an Instagram post scene
that says, today I've watched the sunrise, knowing that likely
my love didn't get to see it. I am broken. Okay,
So this whole timeline of events, you know, first online presence,

(10:12):
I'm excited for my wife to come home from the
hospital COVID nineteen. Next, here's a video. This is the
last video I have of her. She's missing. And then
pretty quickly thereafter kind of a conclusiory, likely my love
didn't get to see the sunrise.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Interesting, So it went from she had COVID, was coming home,
we have this strange video of her that shows her
clearly intoxicated or something's affecting her motor skills and her
ability to.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Put a key in a door.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And then he tweets out that he's basically concluding that
she's dead or is never coming home.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So that's an interesting change of.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Like he very rapidly got over find hear, Yeah, just
assume she's gone. Yeah, that's where you're getting at.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, it's just interesting how quickly it changed from excitement
for her coming home to well, she's gone.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Right, and I also find it interesting always that likely
my love didn't see this. So what you're asking yourself
kind of what's a situation where he's basically made up
his mind on this, but there's questions about what she
was able to witness and whatnot. Just kind of strange
terminology to put out there. And I go back to

(11:29):
if I were to wake up and this was a
friend or something and you have these kind of three
rapid within a couple hours posts, what are you thinking?
What's going on in this situation?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Ultimately, a obituary is posted for Gwen hassle Quest and
it's on it's available online. In the obituary, it's a
nice obituary. It's short and to the point, but it
starts out saying that when hassle Quest, age forty five,
passed away in Gig Harbor on March twentieth, twenty twenty,

(12:02):
after being diagnosed with COVID nineteen. So the obituary places
her death on that day, March twentieth, basically the same
day that this video is posted. And if you read this,
it indicates that she passed away COVID nineteen.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, Now, your anonymous source that reached out to you
who obviously was close to Gwen, seems to believe that
this isn't the real case, that COVID really wasn't what
caused her death ultimately, so we're.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Getting to be patient.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, hold on, Mike, and I'm not ignoring you.
I'm looking at his Instagram and Twitter right now. I'm
kind of like following along the timeline and yeah, it's
all here, and that is kind of really you have
images that you're going to share with us of the
things you captured, so we'll put it all on Facebook
on the website too. So if you're listening and you're
not watching either video portion or you want to see

(13:00):
this stuff, go on Facebook or our website where these
will be posted.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, I have some screenshots that I've taken. Unfortunately,
some items have been deleted, but I was able to
get at least a screenshot of the video that was posted,
so you can see what's going on there. But Mike,
you had a good question about my anonymous source. I
don't know exactly what to hear she was thinking. But
what we can do is go to the Facebook posts
on this video and really track what's going on. And

(13:27):
understandably because people are commenting and you know, offering words
of support. So while this was posted, or while this
was still on Facebook, there's an individual who posts a
comment to the Facebook video and it says, so sorry
for your loss. I've been following your story. Pardon me
for asking, but in one post it said she died

(13:48):
from COVID nineteen and another she was found in the
Puget Sound. Just wanted to clarify with all that's going
on with the virus. Again, I'm so sorry for your
family's loss.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, So that and we're assuming all these people commenting
on the video are probably family and friends of Gwyn
and Eric.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, I think so. I mean from the limited online
research I've done, there's not really media. There's no media
around this story, so it's not it doesn't scream something
that you have a bunch of people out of the
woodwork coming commenting that sort of thing. Seems a fair
assumption that they're someone who knows the family, right.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
So this is the first time in the situation that
being found in the Puget Sound is mentioned, and really
doesn't the line at all with the obituary. After being
nice with diagnosed with COVID nineteen or anything leading up
to this point, So right away you're asking yourself what's
going on here?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the post where
it says that her body was found in the Puget Sound,
but apparently there's something out there.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, what I think we should try doing. I've
done this before with cases with the National Park Service
is filing Freedom of Information Actor quest and I'm almost
wondering if we should try and file one with probably
the Medical Examiner's office or the coroner whoever is in
charge of issuing like the death certificate, and seeing if

(15:15):
we can maybe get this certificate to see what the
actual official cause of death was. Does it list cody.
That might take some time to do, and they may
deny it. A lot of the Freedom information Freedom of
Information Act requests from the National Park Service, they'll either

(15:36):
they'll deny it and give us some BS reason, or
they'll say, oh, we lost the files, we don't have them.
That's happened several times. Maybe we even try and file
one with the police that had jurisdiction.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I feel like sometimes those are more readily accessible. Yeah,
and it keep files better than the National Park Service does.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, and maybe we just file request were that name
and see if any case files come up for that name.
So yeah, that's something obviously we didn't have for this interview,
but I think we could do this and maybe down
the road to a follow up if we get any
kind of information out of it.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh. Absolutely, I put it on a listed to dos
for Mike because you suggested it.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I absolutely think that sounds like a great idea. At
some point, there's a question here that what actually happened,
what was the cause of death, And as you're going
to see in a little bit, we really don't have
answers to that, but we do have to this comment
that I just read aloud. Eric Gwenn's husband actually responds
to it. Okay, and he responds, this is Eric. She

(16:43):
left in the night while I was sleeping after returning
from an out of state business trip, flying with multiple connections.
From what the authorities have told me, I brought it
home and she caught it. The kids and I have
been isolating and there are not enough tests for us
since we presented mild symptoms. Gwynn had an autoimmune disease
and lung disease, which made her more susceptible that's why

(17:05):
I was scared to go on my last trip and
then canceled all work trips until stuff goes away. I
took her to Saint Anthony's Hospital, then brought her home Thursday.
While I was sleeping, she apparently got up, took a
bottle of pills, and drove our van to the narrows.
And that's it. The kids and I are feeling better
and should be free to roam around soon. That's why
I haven't been running around the neighborhood the last several days.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Interesting, so he's now saying that she middle of the
night took a bunch of pills. Maybe that's the ring
video where we see her fumbling with the keys, drove
to a bridge there and then jumped off. So I'm
assuming that's currently what the theory is. But it sounds
like there's more weird posts.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
So that seems to be what the theory is at
this time. And you know, there's things that kind of
raise your eyebrows on this one is the video of
her attempting to lock the door and it takes about
a minute, and on surf she even does this, but
then allegedly she jumps in a van, drives to the
narrows and apparently commits suicide there after taking a bottle

(18:13):
of pills.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's interesting the obituary. I know obituaries don't sometimes if
someone committed suicide, that not necessarily going to state that
in the obituary, but it does feel like stating that
if she really did commit suicide, that it was COVID,
that seems like a misrepresentation of what.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well you think she would leave a note because it's
not like she if maybe she's doing that because she
had COVID and this is all speculation of just hearing it.
You feel like she would like I'm going through her
twitter feed and I'm not seeing anything on her twitter
feed that's like I got COVID, or you feel like
she seems like a very poetic person, very natural type person,

(18:55):
like talking about eating vegan stuff like that. She journals
a lot. I was looking through her twitter feed time
on journaling. You feel like someone like that, if they're
going to go do that would be poetic about the exit,
like I'm going to leave a note for my family
that says I love you, I've got this and that
was a scary part of the pandemic, so I could
argue that that even makes sense, Like, I don't want
to give it to my kids. I'm gonna take a

(19:16):
bunch of bills and go to a beautiful place and
end it all. But just doing that silently into the
night is I think, what's kind of weird for me.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Did your source ever state that they suspected that she
was suicidal or could have done something like that.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I have no information about that. I don't know her
background in mental health situation. That's kind of an open
ended question here. The way her husband phrases it, it makes
it sound like she was suicidal after having this diagnosis
of COVID, but she had returned home from the hospital
presumably was doing better. Yeah, there's some questions there, But

(19:52):
there's a couple of other things that kind of pop
up that frankly, I just don't have answers to. And
one is the Narrows is a bridge that connects to
Coma to Gig Harbor. It's a pretty you guys can
look it up. It looks like a pretty major bridge,
a lot of lanes of traffic, probably fairly busy. I
don't know if there's witnesses to her driving her van here,

(20:14):
if anyone saw her leaving.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
That's a huge bridge. I'm looking at her right now.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, it's not just like a little overpass. It's a
massive bridge, a lot of traffic. Yeah, seems to be
a pretty public place, like even in the early morning hours.
But on top of that, we don't know where they lived,
what their address was. But if you were able to
watch the video and follow this working theory that she
took a bottle of pills and drove the van to

(20:40):
this bridge, she was having difficulty locking her door leaving
that house. Yeah, and think of the Wolf of Wall
Street video or that sort of thing, and how practically,
how did this occur? Yeah, it certainly possible, but there's
a lot of gaps in that kind of thought process.
And then the other thing that I get hung up
on is that if you're searching for this incident, there's

(21:02):
no news articles. And generally if someone drowns in a
body of water, there's either an article discussing the occurrence
of them falling in or on the back end that
a body was found in the water. There's nothing here.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, that's interesting. I know, even here in Milwaukee. The
bridge that usually if they're unfortunately is like a suicide.
It does make the local news, like there'll be at
least in articles. Yeah, it's it's a big deal when
somebody does something like that and people in the community
want to know about it. And up in Green Bay

(21:39):
here in Wisconsin, there's a bridge where they've had so
many suicides off it that they have phone numbers on.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
The bridge for you to like try and call before
doing it.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And they've got they've put they've installed almost like chicken
wire to keep people from doing it.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And well, and here's the deal. The population of Milwaukee
is very big. It's a big city. Gig Harbber has
a population of so if somebody commits suicide on a
bridge there, that's probably the biggest story outside of what's
going on with COVID at the time. Yeah, And I'm
going through her twitter feed just kind of as you're talking, listening,
and she is like consistently posting about COVID all the time.

(22:13):
I haven't found one in here where she says she
got it, which is kind of crazy, right, right you
expect did I get ahead of myself?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Oh no, no, no, no researching Okay, but you're spot on.
It's this whole story in my mind there's bits and
pieces of information and really important details, and then there's
gaps in information, And you're right, like, she's very active
on social media. They both were. And the only post
we have about her having COVID is her husband when

(22:41):
she's coming home from the hospital and she's tweeting during this.
You know, there's tweets over this time that she would
have been diagnosed with COVID or would have been in
the hospital.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, she's What was the day that he tweeted that again,
sorry if I'm.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Making you go back, March nineteenth.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
March nineteenth, he's tweeting that she got COVID. Yes, And yeah,
her last tweet was March eighteenth, and it was just
a retweet of cannabis being deemed in the central business
of the Bay Area and that was it. But she
was tweeting like several times a day up until that point,
So that could also be an instance of initial I

(23:18):
think people were afraid to tell people they had COVID,
So I wouldn't write it off as maybe she wasn't tweeting,
Maybe she got diagnosed and freaked out and just stopped tweeting.
But again, she was an active Twitter user, very active
I'm like, there's a ton of information. But her last
tweet is an innocuous retweet of Bloomberg Bloomberg Business on
March eighteenth, which March nineteenth is my birthday. Wow, which

(23:41):
is really literally this literally happened on my birthday. So
it's like almost like surreal that you've come here with
the story and it happened on my birthday last year.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
You weren't in gig Harbor.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, I have Aliba, I have an aliba. I have
video of me being here in my new house.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
You bring up a good point on the tweets, So
I'm looking at her husband's tweets actually, and on the
nineteenth he posted his tweet about waiting for her to
come home from the hospital, and that's the night that
she ended up going missing. But he also retweets one
of her tweets from the seventeenth, so two days before
she was in the hospital, that it says another benefit

(24:20):
of eating a plant based diet. My husband made a
trip to the grocery store and was able to find
everything on the list. Animal products were out of stock,
but there were plenty of vegan options on the shelves.
Hashtag eat your Veggies hashtag plant power. So a definite.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Instagram post or his Twitter post about her where it
said shit got real. It links to his Instagram feed
where it's a picture of his cat and his hashtag
is coronacasion.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
WHOA, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't know if that's an actual hashtag or if
he just made that up, but that's like what that
link is to. All right, anyway, Sorry, I'm like, I'm
deep into this now.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I've been to keep going. I'll try and stop interrupting
too much.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Oh no, this is great. This is kind of what
I would consider like the first quarter of the story here,
and we have a situation that not terribly uncommon, but
uncommon enough. There's conflicting stories about what happened in really
conflicting stories from the family. Eric's posting one thing on Facebook,
the obituary, which interestingly doesn't for survival people who survived

(25:26):
when it's her husband and her two children. It doesn't
list other family members out there, so I don't know
if she didn't have family around, But my presumption here
is that her husband wrote this obituary for her and
indicated that she passed away after being diagnosed with Covid
then changes the story on Facebook. So we keep going

(25:49):
through this timeline, and we're going to move forward to
April sixth, twenty twenty, or excuse me, April sixteenth, twenty twenty.
For just under a month later, and Eric posts a
Instagram post of him running. Apparently he's a big runner.
He menches in a couple times, and it's on his

(26:10):
Instagram feed, but it's a picture of him and his son,
his younger son, and his comment is, my kids astound
me every day. They are resilient and strong. We had
a conversation last night where they both encouraged me to
find someone to go on a date with. We had
nominated May of Dempsey, the mother daughter, but I think

(26:30):
she agrees this house needs more female leadership. I feel
like a person standing on one leg. If you know
of a kind woman looking for an honest man, please
help me find her. No one will ever replace Squinn,
but we want this family to be whole again. Feels
really weird putting this out there, but praying for help.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
This is a month later, month later. Okay, that's a
little soon.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, I mean I how long were they married?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean they had kids that look like they're like,
you know, they're underage. They're like twelve maybe fourteen, So
they've been married for at least that long. I don't
know they have the kids before they were married.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Yeah, I'm not sure on that, but I think that's
a safe presumption that they'd been married for a pretty
decent period of time. Here they know it's their kids,
maybe twelve years oldier about right there. Yeah, but in
my mind, this is one Joe, you have kids, and.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, a lot, a lot of kids.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
And I think of if my you know, if my
mother were to pass away, how quickly as an adult,
how quickly would I encourage my dad to go on
a date with someone, let alone young kids?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, or I can't imagine my kids thinking about that.
That's what's weird. Like I can't imagine them immediately being like, Okay,
go find somebody else. That would be I think, you know,
I think kids can surprise you. But I can't imagine
any of my kids even coming up with that ever
to say, And i'd say less of I can't imagine
being like, I don't want you to date anybody, But

(28:02):
more like, why would that be on their mind? Like
they just lost their mom four weeks ago, right, Like
the kids are ready to move on already. I can't
see them ever moving That's usually a lifelong damaging thing.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Absolutely, And like a traumatic death to no matter what,
whether it's COVID or suicide, unexpected, terrible circumstances. Just very
strange that children would say this. And there's maybe some
some expert out there and a psychiatrist or something that
knows more about the stages of grieving, But this is

(28:36):
common sense as that it seems strange, right, Sure. Even
more strange in my mind is that Eric's posting this
on Instagram, like it's putting it out there publicly for
everyone to see that his kids are encouraging them to
go on a date to help make the family whole again.
What's the point of that? Sure, So we're in this

(29:00):
situation shortly after he makes his post looking for a
woman a month about a month after that, so fast
forwards our disappearances March nineteenth, their death ruled March twentieth,
Looking for a woman April sixteenth, May thirty one, twenty twenty,
we have an in another era. It's actually a tweet

(29:23):
that was linked to Instagram and eventually deleted off Instagram,
So the tweets cut out. It's not a full tweet,
but it says I am free, but I've also learned
that I need a woman to serve. I have a
solid house and a good piece of land, too, warm
and considerate kids. I'm searching for someone to spend the
rest of my life with. If you are dot dot

(29:45):
dot tweets cut out there. Yeah, so still on this
quest to look for a woman, need someone to serve
in his life. And we're now two and a half
months after Gwenn's passing. All right, so we're going to
fast forward here to June eleventh, twenty twenty so three

(30:09):
under three months after Gwyn's passing. We have another Instagram
post from Eric and this one life is full of
surprises and God's blessings are endless. I'm so happy to
announce that last Sunday I married the most amazing woman, Miriam.
She is as kind as she is beautiful. The kids

(30:32):
and I adore her, and we are looking forward to
spending the rest of our lives together. She has made
our family complete again and our house is filled with
laughter once again. Plus she's a Runner two and we
are looking forward to logging some miles together. So since
he's married, now he's married.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Life commits suicide supposedly or dies of COVID, and within
three months he's already married.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Within three months, he's already married.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yes, that's that's I mean, what did the kids saying?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Sus in my head like not knowing anything about Eric
or this family. That just makes me feel like he
was already seeing this woman. That's exactly before his other
wife died. What's shocking here as well? You've been doing
the timeline. I've been trying to search for any kind

(31:25):
of record of someone committing suicide off that bridge. I
was searching for bodies found in the Puget Sound I was.
I'm not you know, I'm I'm searching the Tacoma Police
Department's records.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I can't find any.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Evidence that one of the theories that was it Eric
that actually said that she committed suicide.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
It's implied. So the person commenting says, I one post
said or body was found in Puget Sound. He says
she took a bottle of pills, drove the van to
the narrows, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, that's crazy. I So there's literally no evidence. There's
no news report. No, I can't find anything of someone
committing suicide or a body being found in the Puget
Sound from that time period. I found a way to
request records from the Tacoma Police Department, So I think.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, do that because I was looking at probably not
as deep as you, but I was looking that whole
time and I am not finding anything either. I had
nothing outside of there's a headline that I think links
to the obituary and to the memorial page that is
basically written by Eric. Right, Yeah, so there's got to
be something like if you find a body, there's got
to be records of that thing and like they do

(32:42):
an examination or something, and there's none of that there
at all.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, so that's wild.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Well, as you're searching or you're finding hits for other
suicides or bodies being found, which is for me the
crazy thing, right, there's nothing in.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
One And I would consider this a high profile. This
was early COVID and she's a COVID case. That's like
everyone was obsessed with anybody who got COVID and died,
Like those were national stories. Like random, like I found
an article like that. She tweeted a couple of days
before she supposedly got COVID, and it was COVID comes
to gig Harbor and some sixty year old man had

(33:19):
it and that was like top story that day. So
she got COVID in gig Harbor. I'm not seeing any
story that's equivalent to that that says I have it too.
I also live here. They're reporting all of that like crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Absolutely, and we could probably look at the cases that
were in the United States at this time, but we're
talking to a couple hundred cases. This is really before
it blew up right it was we thought it was
contained to like little pockets, Seattle being one of it.
It makes sense that she was diagnosed with this, but
just the lack of any media attention, news stories, it's

(33:52):
definitely strange. On every Front.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Show she stops tweeting a day before he tweets that
she has this COVID diagnosis and he's waiting to hear more.
We don't hear anything from her ever. Again, there's nothing
in the news about her getting COVID. He has this
random video of her being unable to open a door
that he sense deleted, which would arguably one of the
only evidentiary things that would show where she was and

(34:17):
what she was doing during the time, or she goes
dark on social media and that's it. She's dead now
it's somewhere in the Puget Sound and then he's married
a few months later. That sounds like COVID nineteen hits.
I got this side, lady. Opportunity arises where there's this
killer virus that kills everybody. No one's gonna question it.

(34:39):
Time to do this and then wait a certain period
of time and then remarry. That's where I'm going, right
So that's in my mind right now. So what I'm
going to try and do is that listen, is try
and play Devil's Advocate to that, because right now that's
where I'm like living. And I totally understand why the
story came.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Sure, absolutely, And I think you're hitting the nail on
the head on these like theories about what's going on
and why is.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Micro We've been doing this for two years, right, It.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Just presents a lot of questions, right, Like, not one
story on whatever happened quite adds up, like you can
see it being reasonable, you could see that being possible,
But there's still questions out there on any sort of
theory that comes along, and the timeline. I keep going
back to this timeline. So this announcement of his marriage
is posted on June eleventh of twenty twenty, less than

(35:27):
three months after she had passed away, and he says,
looking up the dates, June eleventh was a Thursday, he
says that he got married the last Sunday. So June
seventh is the Sunday that he got married, like three
and a.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Half weeks or am I doing my math wrong?

Speaker 4 (35:47):
It's like nearly three months, two and a half three months.
But if we go back to his other posting, we
have this one that's since been deleted from May thirty first,
asking for help fighting a woman. He's saying, let me
pull this back up. I am free, but I've also

(36:08):
learned that I need a woman to serve. I have
a solid house and good piece land, too warm, and
consider kids. I'm searching for someone to spend the rest
of my life with. That's Sunday, May thirty first, Sunday,
June seventh, he's married.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Just yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I'm looking up coronavirus deaths from March of twenty twenty
in Washington State, and on the twenty if there were
only eight deaths.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So do they have the names of the people?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I can't find anywhere where that's listing the names of people.
But there's lots of news articles. I just read one
where they were talking about a seven year old woman
and like an eighty three year old guy. And I
just remember in the beginning of the pandemic, every death
was getting reported.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Right, especially in Washington. This is kind of thing started.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, this is a weird thing about like Hippi at
the time, because normally they wouldn't share that information, but
for whatever reason, this is like they're making a public knowledge.
And even if they weren't sharing information, they're being like
a male in his sixties or a female in her forties. Yeah,
and that's where it's like, are you seeing of those
what eight people? You said? And she went to the hospital,
So it's not like they self diagnosed and she was

(37:18):
at home and they weren't reporting. She went to a
hospital and she tested positive for COVID. That's on record.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And are you seeing anyone a female around her age
of those eight people?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I mean I'm searching for any kind of article or
here's an article from King five out there, and they're
listing out between March second and eight, how many deaths
do they have? Yeah, it's like listing out the deaths
by day. So that's not to say necessarily that her

(37:50):
death would have gotten news attention.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I think it would have. I'm of the opinion that
they over reported all of that, especially in beginning. I
mean it was months we were getting over reporting of
data account because the numbers were so low.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Just starting to spread. So I feel like that's the
stuff that like we were overhearing about.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, like searching for her name from this news website,
nothing comes up. Obviously We've all been searching for a
name on Google.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Oh, I'm on the circuit court system in Washington State
right now looking at his new wife.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
So yeah, I don't know. Sorry to interrupt you.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
No, absolutely, And I think that really is at the
heart of this, is that her death it's either due
to COVID or due to apparent suicide in the Puget Sound,
and there's nothing on either point. It seems strange that
you're not one way or another. There's something going on
that's it's a good.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Way to put it, and mentioned two forms of things
that probably could have killed her, And there's no story
or information on either of those two things. Right, Yeah,
that's wild, that's super suspect.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Is there any Have you found any other stuff since
he married this new woman?

Speaker 4 (38:59):
So a couple more things, And I keep going back
to this timeline, but I think it helps put everything
in perspective. We're looking at when everything happens. So this
post of his on Instagram June eleventh, what he got
married one week after he's publicly searching for a woman
to spend the rest of his life with. And any
normal person out there that you look at this and

(39:20):
you say, oh, that was seems quick, right, And soone
actually posts on his Instagram that says, oh wow, that
was fast. How did you meet? And he responds, it
was fast, but it was the right call for our family.
Everyone is so happy. Everyone is so happy. We met
online and chatted daily for some time before meeting. Then

(39:40):
it was love at first sight. So he's putting out
his own timeline of when he met this woman, right,
but a week before they were married, he's publicly posting
that he's looking for someone to spend the rest of
his life with. A month before that, he's posting pictures
where he's saying that his children were asking him to
find someone to spend his the rest of his life with.

(40:01):
When did he meet her online? And what does it
mean by chatting daily for some time before we met
and then it was love at first sight. This happened
over the course of a week.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, sometime, and you're three months Like okay, You're like,
was it a month or two? Because if they've been
chatting for some time, it's before his wife died or
that's a good point, Like what is sometime? Is it
a month? That's not some time?

Speaker 4 (40:27):
To me?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's I just met you? M M?

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Is it intentionally ambiguous? Is there?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
You know?

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Wait, the timeline on this is just intriguing to me,
But so we keep moving a couple. The next day,
he posts another photo from his wedding and it says
my bride, wonderful kids and super awesome Kenyan mother in
law here in America. So much love right here. Hashtag
this is love. Hashtag blessed beyond measure. Now this is

(41:00):
June of twenty twenty. Yeah, his Kenyan mother in law
is here in America for their wedding. We had restricted
flights at this time. Yeah, it's not clear when she yea,
was she here already or right?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah? Yeah, that is interesting.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
She I mean, I'm assuming the mother in law had
been here for a while if, like you said, the
flights are starting to get restricted.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
But that's a weird way to put it. My Kenyan
mother in law, If she's already here and then flights
are restricted, is she staying here because she was here
ahead of time?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Just it could be nothing. But it's like, why do
you mention like her origin unless she like, if she's
from America, you don't say that, Yeah, she's an American,
you don't say it. But if you say my Keny
mother in law, okay, did she come here for the wedding?
And it's like there's a lot of planning that goes
in to fly from Africa, especially during a pandemic when
things are getting locked down.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And I remember when that lockdown happened and how serious
it was because Cass was supposed to go to Europe
for a work trip and she was in a layover
in Michigan and I saw the President come on and
say we're locking on travel and I called her and
I said, do not get on the plane. You're not
leaving me here with six kids during a pandemic, because
I I don't know if you'll be able to come
back here, and I'll be stuck with all these kids

(42:17):
at home and I will probably lose my mind. So
she was either already here or somehow got here, but
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
It's weird, yeah, And at this point in my mind,
we were starting to get to these things that, like
one vague statement or one kind of weird post easily
explained here's what happened. But we're starting to thread these together,
and from the start of this timeline to four months later,
three months later, it's very unclear what happened. And I'm

(42:48):
at a point today that I'm less clear than I
was looking at this the first time I heard it.
I really have no idea.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, And so people close to this couple originally reach
out to you. There's some uneasy feeling in here and
going through some of these Instagram posts and seeing the
people responding to his post when she's missing, Like you
can see, friends and family are being very supportive. Then
all of a sudden, this wedding thing happens and it
goes blank and people are leaving, just real like innocuous,

(43:17):
like oh beautiful, Like this does not seem right. So
I can see why they reached out to you initially
to figure out like what's going on here and where
the interest in this case came from.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Yeah, and you do see this throughout the comments. It
starts with the video that he posts. And it's a
question we had. I heard she was found in the
Puget Sound, but I also heard it was COVID. Yeah,
we don't know what's going on with the virus. We
all know that feeling. Can you explain our confusion? But
it keeps going, Wow, that was fast. How'd you meet her?
We've been talking for some time? What's some time? How

(43:48):
did your Kenyan mother in law get here for a
wedding in the height of COVID?

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I think the questions I have are what happened on
the twentieth.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
We have the video.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
We have video of her highly intoxicated trying to get
a key in the door. We have conflicting statements from
We have the obituary says she died of COVID nineteen.
We have comments saying that they found her in the
Puget Sound. There's no news or anything on that we
can't find any evidence of a suicide around that time,

(44:22):
and based on all the other COVID deaths in that area,
the news media was reporting all of these as they
were happening because there were so few of them. In
Washington was like the epicenter of the wave of COVID,
in that first big wave. And there's no articles on
her passing from COVID, you know, and then the fact

(44:43):
that he it could just be coincidental, but it all
seems really quick to just move on that fast. I
think that video of her being intoxicated really sits with
me the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Why is it seem like anytime there's a post that
someone questions something, the post disappeared.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
That's kind of like what I'm reading into it is
like the posts that were deleted seemed to be the
post where you had screenshots taken before they were deleted,
where people are kind of like, hey, I heard like
explain this for a second, and then post go on
it might respond to it, and then all of a sudden,
just you know, it's just white from the internet.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Right, And I look at this as kind of two
different posts. There's one, right, you're totally correct that there's
questions that are presented and the posts are deleted, and
also kind of the timing on things. So the post
on May thirty first that searching for someone to spend
the rest of my life with is deleted. Well, he
got married a week later, we know this, right. The

(45:42):
post from April a month earlier, that his kids were
encouraging him to find someone to go on a date
with is it's still up there today, right, And so
you know, on the timeline of what should still be
out there, what should be deleted, it's not. We don't
have a situation where everything in the past is getting cleared.
I'm deleted all my posts, you.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Know, like making everything private or that.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Right, But it's selective. It's selective deletion from you know,
from the internet, and these posts are still out there.
You can't delete anything from Facebook, right, It's just we can't.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, we can't see it. So it's somewhere in the
now metaverse or whatever it's called. So I want to
play this. I'm gonna see if I can get in
the thing. It's an Instagram posts and it's he posted
it June nineteenth, so that's exactly three months to the
day of he's posting a video from his wedding. I'm
gonna play this real quickly' se If I can get
the audio in here, you guys can go on Instagram

(46:34):
and see it yourself. But Eric, take you, Miriam, Take you, Miriam,
to be my wedded wife.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
To be my wedded wife. You haven't too hold, to have.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Him too hold from this day forward, from.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
The stay forward, for better or worse, for better or worse,
for richer or poor, and to church, to love and
to cherish through all the experiences of life.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Through all the experiences of life.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
All right, I Miriam, I'm thank you.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Eric.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Take you, Eric, to be my wedded husband, To be
my wedded husband, to have and to hold, to happen
from this day forward, from this day, for better or worse,
for richer or for to love and to cherish through
all the experiences of life, through all the experience.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I Eric, it's just repeating now, Miriam. So I don't
know that seems too soon to be that happy about
in that scenario.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I mean, I'm gonna try and play the other side,
all right. I'm gonna try and think about this completely
on the nose. Maybe you're married to somebody for so long,
she comes down with COVID, passes away, and he's kind
of losing his mind a little bit. Maybe meet somebody online.

(47:52):
Based on her accent, I seem like they're they're obviously
saying Kenya mother in law. She sounds like she's from Kenya.
Was she living in Washington? Did he meet her on life?
Is it like a mail order thing and just saying like, okay,
maybe nothing's wrong. Was he freaking out did this whole
mail order thing to try and fill this hole in
his life and just made this quick rush to judgment.

(48:12):
And maybe he really is in love with her, Maybe
the kids really like her, and this is just a
weird scenario. It doesn't feel like that, And I don't
know how many of those stories actually turn out that way.
And that's what my hold up is on here. This
is three months later to the day that he's posting
a video of his wedding vows with this other woman,
and his poor kids are there and they're probably like,
there's still got to be grieving the death of their mother,

(48:34):
not knowing what's going on, and all of a sudden,
your dad's like marrying this other woman and just moving
on immediately. That just seems really really suspect to me.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I don't want to accuse him of anything because we
don't know as far as we're concerned, she.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Died of COVID. I definitely think we should try and.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Get foreigners report for police records on that name.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I want to see if there's like a toxicology report
done on her.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
There's something I don't know what is allowed to be
made public.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, I mean I think and I've thought through this. Obviously,
we don't have anything here today, and I think the
Foyer requests are up the right alley. But the question
here is is this an ongoing investigation and are you
going to run into that roadblock with the police department
or is this a close case? And I think either
avenue that you look at that there's answers out there
to this and where Joe kind of playing devil's advocate

(49:27):
to himself it makes sense. But when you do that,
it's all in segments, and you can like this would
make sense this scenario where it's all speculation, But when
you get more information here, there's answers to what exactly
happened and can connect these dots as it exists right now.
It's the unanswered questions that are the most intriguing because
it is kind of a rare situation and it just

(49:49):
doesn't quite completely add up.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And I mean, you wanted to come on here to
talk about this because obviously an anonymous person close to
Gwen reached out to you that things be fair.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I co to Momy this because he told me the story.
I was like, well, you come on our show and
tell this story, because this is really interesting and it's
very clearly being swept on the rug. And the reality
is there's always the instance where it's legit and we
could be potentially opening up old wounds. But there's also
the aspect of if there's some foul play here, it's
being ignored, and that's really an injustice. So I think

(50:21):
it's if it's legit, where is all the information we need?
Where are those holes that and he's saying are missing,
Like that should be all readily available and made accessible,
And me be like, Yep, here here's toxicology report on
the body, here's exactly what happened, here's this and the
other Yep, she did visit the hospital. Here's the report
from the hospital that said she was here in head COVID.
That's the stuff that's missing. That's pretty damn important.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And at the time, like I said, if before COVID,
if someone went to the hospital and was diagnosed with something,
they're not going to share that information. In the beginning
of the pandemic, when only a handful of people in
the whole country have been confirmed with it, we have
a confirmed case that's not reported at all, and there's
no information in the back that is highly suspect. I like,

(51:02):
I remember sitting at home and learning about every single
person that got COVID for like a month and a half. Yeah,
and I remember it because it was my birthday and
I was supposed to be having fun on my birthday
and we're stuck inside, not doing anything, and just bombarded
with here's the case count, here's the case count. Here's
the case count, here's the case count. Here's all the stories.
And in a small town like that, where when I
search it, I can only find story of like a

(51:25):
sixty year old man that got COVID like a day
before she supposedly got it. Yeah, that is just it's wild. Well,
and he's saying he brought it home. I'll come he
didn't have COVID.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, well, I think this is going to be kind
of maybe an ongoing story.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
That is that the end of a timeline?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, so that's that's pretty much the end. I have
a little bit more. But before I move on to that,
I mean, I think you're you're spot on on this.
Like I mean, I'm a lawyer by trade, but I
wasn't hired to investigate this. I like got intrigued and
did some digging, like like you guys just did while
we're here. And the questions are fascinating, and there's definitely
some like formal investigation that needs to be done or

(52:02):
should be done to answer these. But it's also these
these questions that I think I consider them informal questions
that could be a listener out there could be someone
in this small town that yes, I know you know
gwennhead COVID. I'm a nurse at the hospital. I saw
her there, Yes, I saw her driving the van that night.
Or might ring doorbell caught this or you know, with

(52:24):
the technology out there, there's things, there's gaps that could
be together.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, transportation from on the bridge, yea from her house
to the bridge, or even if it's like but like
any investigation like did she pass by? If she would
have had to pass this store and they have a
security camera outside, like different types of things that especially nowadays,
even in a small town, you're gonna have potential video
catching her driving the van or would you see a
video of him driving the van and her in the

(52:49):
passenger seat or what?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, no, I think this is going to be maybe
an ongoing kind of case. Maybe we check in like
once every six months with.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Well hold on. We gave our theories what I kind
of think. I know your theory, but I give give
us your you've been more in depth. Like all the
information I have now is what I just looked at
while you were talking.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, I heard about this before.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
You told me a little bit. And I remember when
we were out we were out in Chicago for a
work event and you started telling me and I was like, okay,
stop just I literally told him, I was like, stop
telling me, because you're gonna tell me on the air.
I want to I want to hear this raw. So
like that, I heard most of the story now, But
what is your opinion of this? The whole thing.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Yeah, So it's honestly, I'm going to be very disappointing
here if you have some some boo. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I do have. Oh no, I'll hit it if if
it's appropriate.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
No, I don't. I honestly don't have a theory. I mean,
I'm coming at this from a like a logical standpoint
in my where I'm at is, there's way too many
questions out here on what happened for me to be
comfortable believing any story, any possible route this could go down.
And really there needs to be answers to these questions.

(54:03):
And through my mind, you think through all these scenarios
we discussed today, it's what answer to those questions would
tie up and make this all seem to make sense.
And I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Right, You're just you're a defense attorney. You know, you're
just a good attorney. You want more information? No, I
would agree with that. So I'm speculating. So you don't
have like a gut that you're just willing to share.
I'm going to try and dig out you. I hear
that the logical side of you saying I don't want
to give an opinion because there's missing details, but there

(54:34):
are those very important missing gaps where why I was
trying to play Devil's advocate was grieving husband and people
grieve differently. Some people kind of lose it. Maybe he
lost it, and this is him acting out in a
way that's unnatural, right.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
And I, honestly, I'm just I can't get there because
I don't know this person. You know, I don't know
this person. I haven't interviewed him. I can't even get
a read on the situation. What we have here is
I have what you have right now. We're all on
the same boat, and it's posts that are made by him.
They're out there in the public, and you read into

(55:10):
it whichever way you want to read into it. But
until you know, until you really peel back one more later,
I think it's an unsolved mystery in my mind at
this point.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Right well, I think one thing that can help is
a We're going to try and get these Foyer requests out,
but if you know, we do have quite a large
following now, so if enough people get interested in this.
I know we have listeners in Washington State. There might
be people in the area. They might have connections with
people I think this would definitely be a good ongoing
thing to see as we're requesting foy information. Bring you

(55:39):
back Andy and try and get updates as we go
to see what's going on. Maybe Eric wants to come
on and talk to us, that would be great to
have him come and explain things, or even if we.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Could look you know, I guess just see a death certificate.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well that's what I'm saying, Like get the corners report,
like if they're like, yeah, we found the body and
they had a ton of these medications, like a high
toxicology report showing that the medications they took were of
a lethal dose. And there's a camera of her driving
a van by herself in the direction of this bridge,
and it's like that was her poetic way of going out.

(56:14):
Maybe she was too afraid of COVID and wanted to
choose her own way of going out.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
And it's not like we are making anything up.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
All of this stuff was publicly posted on social media
that wasn't behind like a privacy wall.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yes you can go look at this live.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I went on.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Well, some of the stuff that was deleted, but so
nothing that we said right tonight was stuff that was
like for the family only. This is all stuff that
he publicly posted, and we're just saying that in totality,
all of these facts just don't add up with the
comments and the timeline of what he's been doing after

(56:52):
And obviously there's people close to that were close to
her that have concerns that something more than COVID went on. Right,
and then all of the new you know, the lack
of information in the media about a suicide or a
body in the Puget Sound or a COVID death that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
For such a small town at that time, nine thousand
people in there, Yeah, like I said, I think that's
a town where everyone kind of knows everybody.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
There are only eight deaths in all of Washington State
that day, so that I'm assuming there was only one
in gig Harbor. If she died from COVID that day,
you would think that would show up in a local newspaper.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
At that time. People they don't report it now because.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Well, especially if the death was a suicide of a
COVID patient, Like that's like is say what you want
about the media, but that's an intriguing news story that
will get that's a flashy headline that gets clicks. And
that's what media cares about, is getting those clicks. That's
a headline, and it was there's nothing there. That's a
major gap for me.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Not only that, in statistically, women commit suicide at a
very severe, h less or lesser scale than men. Right,
So you're looking at this situation COVID's new Did she
commit suicide because she was diagnosed with COVID? That in
itself is a news story, but then it's a female
suicide as well. Definitely something that.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Bridge, which is a big bridge, which I think would
make the news, right, definitely make the news.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, and then why would you did he say something
about pills?

Speaker 4 (58:25):
He did in the response to the video. He said
that she took a bottle of pills, drove the van
to the narrows, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
So that's so he said that that's two methods of
committing suicide. Yep, because the pills would do the job.
So how many people have done that, like basically took
two methods of which trying to complete the act. I
don't know this, This is mean speculate, not knowing anything,
but I'm like, okay, either you od on pills and
then you're in the bathroom or in your bed, but
who od's on pills then goes and jumps off a bridge.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Right, So I do have one more book in posting
here before we before we wrap it up, which I
don't know how tired this is to it, but it
goes to the narrative of what's going on once again.
Instagram post by Eric This is March twenty fifth of
this year, so six months ago, and it's a picture
of him and his wife with their mass on I

(59:17):
think on an airplane. Looks like they're on an airplane,
and the caption says, today I leave this shit whole
country to be with my wife. Fuck the US, not
coming back anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
So he's not in the country anymore.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Wow, and he's not with his kids.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
There is one person who comments, who are your kids
staying with while you're gone? There's no response to that question.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
But wow, that was an Instagram post.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Yes, an Instagram post March twenty fifth.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
When were the last posts that he made on all
the social.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Media I see? On Twitter? It looks like May seventh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
He's been relatively active on Instagram, I think, but I'm
not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I'm seeing old country with my wife not coming
back to this were you headed off to amen?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Brother?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
So somebody wrote, why was she not allowed back? Are
you taking your kids with you? Okay, so his wife
wasn't a citizen, I'm guessing from that comment.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
That's what it seems to indicate. And I think there
were some posts out there that issues with him traveling
or her traveling that we're brought up and now aren't
public anymore. So there might have been a story that
kind of fell through the ether here with deletions and things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
That's that's wild. Yeah, that that is even more suspect
that he's Well, that just makes me think that this
woman he met convinced him to do this again. This
is speculation. This is and it seems like this story
happens all the time. And this is why I'm speculating it.

(01:01:12):
He meets this lady online, falls in love with her,
She convinces him to get rid of his wife so
she can be married to him. My guess is either
be a US citizen or whatever. But for whatever reason
he's saying, he's getting out of Dodge and looks like
he apparently may have left his kids behind. That's pretty

(01:01:32):
messed up. Well, that's messed up. So that tells me
if that he abandoned his kids, is what it looks like,
it appears that way, and the type I could never
do that, Like I could never do that. So the
type person is capable of doing that, I would say,
is cable of doing other horrific things potentially.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, And I don't know if it's clear that he
abandoned his kids. He's saying he's leaving the country and
never coming back. Open question if his kids are with him.
But either way, we're talking about you said, Joey's think
twelve ten years old. Like the pictures of them, they're
young kids, they're in school, they grew up in gig
Harbor around gig Garboring. Don't know where he's going, where

(01:02:12):
he's heading to, but it's uprooting a life one way
or another, two lives.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah, there's three people commenting on the kids. Is Mary
B the mob? Where are your kids? The next one
wishing a lot of back are you taking your kids?
And what you mentioned? Where are your kids staying with
while you're gone? And they're all private accounts like small followers.
So I feel like those are people who would be
close to him that probably know more about what's.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Going on, sure, And you had an interesting point earlier
about the kind of the level of discourse in these
posts and starts with like, I'm looking for some clarification
because this is confusing, and then it clearly gets a
little more challenging on what's going on. This was fast?
How'd you meet her? Where are the kids? Where are
the kids? Where are the kids?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So you really don't have an opinion outside You don't know,
no opinion. It's a lawyer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
But I do agree you guys. I think you hit
the nail on the head that, like, really, there's a
lot of holes here in One or two pieces of
evidence on their own might just bring this story together, right,
It might not take much, doesn't need to be a
lot of facts out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
But yeah, I mean, if like the official cause of
death on a death certificate says COVID nineteen, I think
it's safe to assume that, yeah, she died to COVID yep.
But if we somehow get a police report saying that
the police responded to it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Was a suicide. He posted suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, he posted suicide and taking you know, basically trying
to kill yourself with pills too so if.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
The official cause death comes back as COVID nineteen, why
would that not be mentioned. I know you're speculating, but
I'm just like, that's I want to fill that gap
to find out, like what does the official report say?
And I know they like over mentioned COVID a lot
of times at that period of time, but still, like
someone jumps off a brick or od's like they'll say
a phish cause death like COVID, and like they put

(01:04:05):
with COVID on a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I think the first thing we got to do is
contact the Tacoma Police Department and maybe not even file
a fear request yet, to just straight up call or
call him and be like, hey, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Amateur investigatory journalists are now in this case if you
want us to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
To the family reached out and or the lady that
died and they have some concerns about her final her
cause of death, do you have any records of an
interaction with your police department her in March of twenty
twenty And if they say we can't look that up,
like all right, well, can we file a foyer request?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Or did the husband file a missing person's report because
he initially said she's missing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Is there a nine to one to one call where
he calls to report her, Like my wife just took
a bunch of pills and it's headed to the bridge,
Like that would be a record that is kept.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Or like my wife went missing, she just recently got
diagnosed with COVID nineteen. I thought a bunch of pills
versus he just went from there to like, oh, she
committed suicide three days?

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Was it not even that right? It was a quick turnaround.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
The hospital should have a record of her checking in
and checking out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I don't know if they'll be able to share that,
but yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think
that's a hip a thing I think personal.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I think you would need a subpoena from law enforcement here.
But so i'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Interested in if the law enforcement did get that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Well, that's the question, right, So I go back to
what's going on here, and it's me and other people
interested in what's happening looking at social media posts. But
is this close case? Has it been decided? And if so,
why is it a close case? There's maybe a very
clear answer to that, or is it an open case?

(01:05:52):
And where are we at after a year and a half.
Of the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
We know about COVID is it's not something that she
supposedly got it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
What the nineteenth is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
That that's when he posted that he was waiting for
her to come home from the hospital. And we know
she came home that day, so she must have gotten
it before, at least symptoms before to be in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
But it's something that but he's saying she went That's
what I'm saying, Like I'm in my head, this hospital
visit never occurred. He's tweeted, like the only record we
have of her going to the hospital because she got
COVID is him saying it and him telling us that's
what happened. But as far as again, like I said,
normally hospital visits wouldn't be publicized, they were being publicized

(01:06:38):
wildly because they were reporting the public record COVID positive
COVID cases. So she got a positive COVID case at
a hospital, it's not reported.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
And the thing I'm thinking about too, about saying she
did go to the hospital and they let her out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I've a lot of people I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Know and just stories of people going to the hospital
over COVID. If you're healthy enough for them to release you.
You're not like on death's door from COVID. You're not
going to die in the next twenty four hours. They
usually if you're positive, you go to the hospital. This

(01:07:13):
is from what I've read from a lot of cases
of people going to a hospital. If you're like a
mild to moderate case at that time, they sent you
back home and just monitor your symptoms.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
If things get worse come back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Like from what I've read it usually those people for
the most part, would get would be fine, and the
ones that got sick more sick. It wasn't like twenty
four hours later, it was like a few days to
a week later.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
So we're saying she had COVID and she had must
have mild to moderate symptoms, not bad enough to keep
her at the hospital. They sent her home, and then
we're saying within twenty four hours of that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
She died from COVID. I understand she had an autoimmune's yep.
So she had some comorbidities.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yeah, and early COVID before they knew any treatment at all.
That would totally I mean, to be honest, she would
have stated at the hospital they ProAb would have put
on her ventilator. They were not sending people home with COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Well, and this is you're right, it's early phases. So
this is before the hospitals were like overrun. This is
before there was a bed issue, right, Like even at
this time in Washington, I don't think the cases were
so high that hospitals were turning people down with mild symptoms.
It's strange that she would have been released, came home,

(01:08:36):
and then passed away from COVID. I think it points.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
To well, they knew it was airborne and they were
of the opinion that it's going to kill like most
of the people that come in contact with it. It's
like the idea that early phase COVID, when they're the
most freaked out about they're just going to outpatient somebody
that's positive with it. When there's only a few cases.
That's not accurate, like or that hospital's tear. I know

(01:09:01):
we found out now like ventilators probably killed more people
than it helped. But like at that time, that was
like the saving cure, and that's what they were say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
The off chance that they did release her, that must
have meant her symptoms were mild enough that they didn't
feel that she needed to be in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
But that's what I'm saying. I think you're thinking of
COVID now, yeah, COVID. Back then, if you got COVID,
it was like like red alert, red alert for everyone.
That's why they were reporting like individual cases like crazy.
It was like they looked at it like the black
plague because we all did. Yeh, that's what we thought
it was gonna If you got it, it was a
death sentence. So the fact that he's she got COVID, Yeah,

(01:09:37):
she's coming home and she has all these autoimmune issues,
meaning she wouldn't have had mild COVID, especially she'd a
breathe what was a breathing autoimmune issue, Like this is
a breathing issue, like the reason COVID. So it attacks
people that are like asthmatic or whatever, we like way worse.
So the fact that he's like, ah, she's coming home now,
that's super. It didn't really hit me till now until

(01:09:57):
you guys started we're talking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
It seems like she was getting better, right, Maybe she
had COVID and she was coming home and it was
progressing or hidden.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Like that's off of his tweet. I'm like being stubborn
on this. I'm I think the whole COVID hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Thing is fake.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I do. I think it's BS Well, it's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I think in the coming months we will try and
file different requests to get information. I feel like the
fact that she's now just ceased might if they do
have any police reports on her, that information should be
publicly released. I I don't know, you're the attorney, but
I feel like if unless it's an active investigation or

(01:10:38):
you know, then they wouldn't release the report. But the
fact if there's no case and like they found her
body in the Puget Sound, she's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Dead, buried, like that report should be released.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Yeah. I tend to agree with that. And I think
you guys had mentioned earlier the park system giving you
run arounds on fouder request. But you can clean a
lot of information from that, Like even a denied for
a request for a particular reason.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I've gotten somewhere half of it's blacked out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Sure, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
And you can still get a lot of information out
of those requests, sure, just by kind of piecing together
what they did or did not do. Yeah, And it's
it's always funny to see redacted reports from the Park Service,
Like I know, they retact stuff to hide like I did,
like a big stuff they're hiding exist. Yeah, I mean

(01:11:28):
I don't know. So, yeah, this I never heard of
this before. I think it's an interesting case to kind
of just keep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I feel like a early COVID case suicide in the
state that was one of the hottest states in the
early thing would have made national news if it was
a real.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
If not national, definitely local because there are other stories
of people getting COVID at the time around gig Harbor.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Yeah. The lack of information and the lack of interest
in this story, which seems like a pretty big story
at given the time fly frame it was in, is
I think what's alerting me in very alarm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Yeah, I don't know, right, I have no you know,
theory other than I think.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
And he's got a theory and he's just really really
good lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
We'll we'll talk to him off area.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
No, we we have to do another one. We gotta
we gotta see what information we either can or can't get,
and if they don't give us information, we're gonna tell
We're going on the air and telling people we didn't
get information. Then maybe they'll they'll make him give.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Us something and anyone listening that might may have known
her or knows the family, or knows the area, or
maybe remembers hearing about a suicide that during March twentieth.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Or if your contacts like hert and are willing to
come on like that, we can call him in. They
can be anonymous if they want, and they just want
to give their opinions, because I think that that that
would be worth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
This first episode was just kind of like laying the
groundwork for this. I think this will be an interesting
case to carry on over the next six twelve however long,
you know, until until we solve it until but yeah,
I mean this was kind of the ground work episode
where we talk to you about, you know, some of
the basic facts from public posts. And I think we've

(01:13:08):
got some homework to do now. Yes, I think we
need to reach out to I don't know if Gig
Harbor has a police department.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
It looked like that county, like that County Sheriff's Apartment No. Nine,
Town of nine thousand. You feel like there's at least
one or two guys.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
That might be part of Tacoma's police department, there might
be a county. I mean, I think we hit up
all the different law enforcement agencies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
So that's where it was. It like small town department,
not knocking them. But like then they're like, yep, this
is a suicide and like no investigation know nothing, like
like could have been pushed off a bridge and she
had COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
She jumped off the bridge and they found her body
in the Puget Sound. There is a police report of
that event.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, But what I'm getting at is, even if that's
the case, and like, oh yep, there's her body at
the bottom of the bridge, it's clear as she jumped,
they didn't look into it. Like I feel like there
has to be a deeper investigation even if that even
if they come up with the request and say, yep,
here's a corners report she had pills in her system
and puls the body at the bottom, Like, I wouldn't
be satisfied with that. That to me would just confirm

(01:14:06):
the things we kind of already know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Washington State Department of Transportation, probably as cameras all over
that bridge, why don't we file a foyer request to
get the video footage from that night?

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
I think that's a great idea, right, I mean, see
if there's a van approaching the bridge, right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
It's got an angle of somebody jumping from the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
It may not, but do all bridges of cameras like
big bridges.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
I mean, this is a large bridge. There's a lot
of cameras out there, and even like on highways, you know, see.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
I would have thought of that, like on the way there,
but I didn't know if they're like modern. I guess
maybe that's like a bridge like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
A federal fill. It's not I looked on you know,
on a map. It's not like a freeway. But I
think it's a state highway. But a bridge of that
size is going to have cameras all over because they
use those cameras to see if there's accidents, they can see,
you know, what's going on on if they need to
send people out there to clean something up. So there's
definitely I don't know how long they keep footage for.

(01:15:06):
They may delete it after a certain.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Terrible unless there was a suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
They may keep footage from days that have police activity.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
This is all things we should probably reach. There's another
thing we need to put you know, on the list
of things. Do reach out to someone in their department
of transportation. Just start the process of who do we
contact to try and get video footage from this date?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Is it even available?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Well, you know, I think that one way or another,
digging up these doing these Foier requests, they are going to
show you something. Right, So, even let's say they purge
the video footage from the bridge and you get that
in response to the Foyer requests, does the police record
show that they ever looked at this footage? Right? Like,
did we even cross this off the list?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Was there a nine to one call from her husband
to the police saying, my wife just took a bunch
of pills as.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Driving to the bridge.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Yeah, yes or no?

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
If it's yes, we've got an answer.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
We're moving any answer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
We're moving towards you know, it was suicide.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
If and those calls are public record, one call is saved, yep, Yeah,
so that's public record.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
We should be able to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
File a requests with her name and his name, and
they should be able to search the records and see
if there's a nine one one call, especially during that
you know, short time period. If there's no nine one
one call, I think that raises more questions. If there
is a nine one one call, I think I have
less questions, and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
I want to hear the call. I'm I'm going to
need substantial evidence that he didn't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Well, we still don't know it's COVID at this point
according to him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Yeah, that's that's okay. It's it's his word against my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
No, I'm sure this episode is gonna ruffle a lot
of a lot of out there is with people.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
And one and one thing, Joe, that you mentioned that
I want to circle back to, is this who's looking
into this? What are people doing? And in life, in
any situation you come into trouble with law, medical situations,
you really need like an advocate out there questioning what's
going on, right, and things slip through the cracks with
your doctor if you don't have an advocate, they slip

(01:17:22):
through the cracks if there's no one asking for answers, right.
And I keep going back to the obituary and it
says that she was survived by her husband and Childred
and I don't see any other family listed. I don't
know what this means. That we've talked a little bit
about the source of contacted me and she's she he

(01:17:43):
or she are not close with the family. It's not
like one of those situations are just closer to the situation.
And so really, you guys might be the advocates here
right asking the questions that need answering, and I think
have reach well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Were the medium for the message is delivered. But I
mean that's a good point. You've somebody who's just close
to them, not even family member, that's asking questions, which
if you think about, like you hear a story of
someone that's kind of relate, not even related to you,
but near to the point where you're starting to question
it and digging into it and sharing it. They have
a hunch they have there's some feeling that they can't

(01:18:20):
let go. And I think that's I think that's enough
to at least look at it, which you did. You
brought the story here, and to me, it looks like
like everyone knows my opinion. I think it's very, very
very suspect. And the actions of which he took leading
up to the event and shortly after just all our

(01:18:41):
red flags. And that's what we do on the show.
You listen to a couple episodes, we list stories, we
give our painting of things that are unknown, and we
list things that are red flags to help drive us
down in direction. And one of those stories we're proven
accurate about the little kid that went missing Colorado, like
it's and that's hunches. And then when you hear you know,
police an other true crime podcast they're talking about like

(01:19:03):
there's really not this huge conspiracy. Usually it's usually just
the thing that makes sense, like the biggest hunch. It's like, hey,
this guy, you know, Usually.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
It's domestic violence.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Well it's that's why I said, like I'm going on
this path because this story has happened before. Guy meets
another woman outside of marriage, falls in love, woman convinces
man to get rid of the wife. He does, They
move on and get married almost shortly after. Usually he
gets caught. Sometimes they get away with it. That is
a story that's played out multiple times over. This is

(01:19:32):
following that track perfectly. And what an opportunity the pandemic
of our lifetime to take advantage of that. And what's
I think really screw it up for him is the
fact that it was such an over reported health crisis
and that there's no report of her getting it and
it was the beginning if it was like now where

(01:19:54):
like people are kind of getting over it and like
she died, like oh yeah, there's another one, like yeah,
like hundreds of thousands have since then globally we're not
tracking as closely it'd work, but it was way too
early for it to be just just swept on the
rug or like oh, she's coming home, No, she's not.
Hospitals kept everybody there. They kept people there and wouldn't
allow you to go see them. They weren't sending people
home with COVID nineteen in March of twenty twenty, right,

(01:20:17):
and according to him, that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Well, and circling back to that, the timeline, you know,
early CDC warnings were fourteen days, like increasing from fourteen
days on, so you're to send someone home that could
be contagious. We don't know when she purportedly contracted COVID,
but the timeline's pretty tight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
In the social the two possibilities are well, and she's
she's posting like crazy up until the day before then
like stay home, be safe, stay home like all like
like she's very deep into COVID world and like she's
the reason I saw the one article about the COVID
coming to gig harbor was her tweet from a couple

(01:20:58):
of days before the nineteenth saying, COVID's come to gig
harbor and here's the information. She was like on top
of this, tweeting constantly. Yeah, and then she contracts it
or doesn't tweet that she has it. You think she
would tweet it. She would have tweeted she had it, yeah,
one hundred percent. Because her last tweet's super innocuous. And
then her everything, her social media goes dark. Yeah, and

(01:21:18):
then all of a sudden, his tweet, Oh, she's got COVID.
She's coming from the home from the hospital soon. No,
she's not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Because we have lots of evidence of people on Twitter
who've passed away from COVID, and they people that are
active on Twitter before COVID, and they'll tweet like, you know,
got COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
They take selfies in the hospitals, in the hospital, they're
kind of tweeting about their you know, their progress.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
So that that is kind of a red flag to
me now that I think about it, that she was
very active on Twitter, very active on reporting things about COVID,
but was silent on herself getting COVID right to the
point where she had to go to the hospital. That
doesn't seem to mix with kind of what she was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Yeah, March sixteenth, she retweeted a fun story about how
Chicago Aquarium closed due to coronavirus, so they let the
penguins run around and check out the other exhibits. Like
she's tweeting for that, But she's like tweeting fun stories.
She had COVID, was fearing for life. She's not gonna
be retweeting a you know, news article about penguins running
around Chicago Quarium. That's the sixteenth, that's three days before

(01:22:19):
she apparently had to be impossible to COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
And you make a good point about tweeting what's going
on with your symptoms of COVID? People were so I
guess obsessed is the right word with the with the
pandemic right away that it months later, it was news
to me. When I would have a contact that had COVID,
I'd call them, how are you feeling, what are the symptoms, like,
what's going on? And to be active in that sphere

(01:22:43):
talking about COVID, publicly talking about COVID and then no
comments on I'm doing okay, or this is worse than
what they're saying on the news. That sort of thing
is it's a gap, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah, no, it yeah, there's more questions than answers.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Oh here, so I told you. Her last tweet on
the eighteenth was a retweet. She does a lot of retweeting,
but her last tweet that she wrote and a picture
she shared, was on the seventeenth, so two days before.
Apparently she's hospitalized the COVID but coming home yeah, which
is yes. She tweets a picture of her cat and
she rose doom Kitty is happy that the little humans
are home from school for eight weeks and willing to

(01:23:21):
take him outdoors. Hashtag quarantine cats, like she doesn't have COVID,
or if she does, she doesn't know of it on
March seventeenth.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Or she says quarantine cats. Maybe that's references are being
in quarantine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
I will everyone was in quarantine. Everyone was hashtag in quarantine.
But she's outside taking pictures of her cats, and all
she's doing is posting people like this person's in the hospital.
This is serious. This is serious. That's a person who's
not going outside if they know they have COVID. She's
going to the hospital and she's not gonna so according
to her husband, and only her husband, because there's no

(01:23:52):
other any information to back this up. Two days later,
she's in the hospital COVID, but she's on her way home.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Yeah, doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
I don't think that's that's a major hole in the
story because the hospital would not release her if she
just you know, got diagnosed with COVID. Small town, no
bed overages, you just go home, it's fine, Yeah, early COVID.
No way, absolutely, no way that's happening. Absolutely disagree. And
not only should she go home, she goes home, and

(01:24:19):
then her first thing to do is just odon pills
and drive to a bridge and jump off of it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Well I think I think we have some homework.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I really hope I'm wrong, because that's terrible for those kids.
I feel terrible for those children that they had to
go through all this stuff. And then if that's the truth,
like that's just awful.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
But anyway it works out, and get a feel bead
for the kids here, right, Yeah, no matter what, super
tough situation, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
So young and that's that's their mom, Like that's terrible.
That's well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
I mean, I don't have any theories other than I
have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
You guys are both being I'm like, I'm I'm not
on the fence at all. Is that the right world,
mister lawyer?

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
What it is?

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Yep, yep, absolutely sure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I'm using the terminology properly on My whole basis for
the judicial system is based off law and to order,
So I don't know how accurate it is. I will
be happily I am be the first one who meant
I'm wrong if there's some very detailed explanation as to
why this wasn't a national news story, why she was
going home with COVID from the hospital as one of
the like the first hundred people in the United States

(01:25:25):
to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I'm gonna withhold judgment on Eric. But if I was
an investigator and he fled the countries, I would even
if I was like a private investigator hired by the family,
I think I would have a lot of questions.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Right you think you would?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yeah, So in our amateur look at this thing for
like what an hour and thirty three minutes, I have
thousands of questions. It's not even my job to find
out this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
It'll be really interesting to see how the listeners take
this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
It's not a natural well the Future sound. It happened
near a national outdoor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
We usually don't We typically don't cover cases that are
real recent right, because we've done it a few times
and we get a lot of a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Lot of flak sometimes. But I think this, I think
this one deserves to be opened up. I think this
needs to get bigger so that we can find out
what's going on. Because so if as far as I'm concerned,
someone's getting away with something very terrible and start the
hashtag justice for Gwen, I'm going to start that hashtag. No,

(01:26:30):
I won't, I'll wait on that. I think I think
we need to do our homework. Let's try and do
this foiler request, and we'll definitely do a follow up episode.
Do you want to come back?

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Absolutely, I would love to come back. And you know,
I just want to thank you guys, because you do
have a wide audience here and I think, in my
opinion is the same as yours Joe, that there's questions
here and people can help answer them. And I think
this is a step in the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Right direction of my opinion in my opinion, you're you're
a good attorney. That's good, all right. Well, thanks and
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