Astrological Forecast (2024-2025) with Linda River Valente

To kick off Season 7, I asked my friend Linda River Valente if - given the nature of these “interesting” times - she’d be willing to come back on the show and give us a taste of what we can expect in the coming months through the lens of astrology, as well as how to best navigate the challenges that she sees coming. 

 Linda offers her clients a lifetime of collected, eclectic wisdom through her work as a seasoned astrologer, witch, holistic sexuality educator, tarot visionary, magic maker, and Burlesque producer and performer. 

In this episode Linda and Wendy discuss:

• The astrological forecast for the end of 2024 and the first half of 2025
• How we can reframe this time in a more relational, collaborative way
• The significance of the outer planets
• Different ways to interpret the astrology
• Wendy’s 2008 visionary experience
• Pluto’s impact on culture
• What these transitions are inviting us to examine, return to, evolve into
• The experience and qualities of time
• The impact of Mars retrograde (12/6/24-2/23/25)
• Suggestions regarding how to take advantage of this period of time and take care of your nervous system

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Episode Transcript

Wendy (00:02):
You're listening to Lucid Cafe. I'm your host, Wendy
Halley. Welcome to season 7 ofLucid Cafe, a podcast exploring

(00:35):
healing, consciousness, and thecomplexities of being human.
Well, I am very excited for thisupcoming season. I've already
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you.
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(00:58):
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(02:27):
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Shaman online course on mywebsite lucidpathwellness.com or

(02:51):
you can use the link in the shownotes. Alright. Let's get to it.
In the last episode of season 6,I mentioned that I had a bit of
a recording mishap. If you're aregular listener, you might
remember that I had previouslyteased that my wildly talented
friend, Linda River Valente, wasgoing to close out last season

(03:12):
by offering us a glimpse intothe colorful astrology of the
coming months, only to discoverwhen I went to edit said episode
that only 8 seconds of ourconversation had actually been
recorded.
Oops. But my very kind andunderstanding friend was willing
to do a do over. So thankfully,the podcast gods were also kind.

(03:38):
That and I paid more attentionthis time, and it went much
better. Today's episode marksLinda's 3rd visit to Lucid Cafe.
She started and ended season 4,which was several years ago now.
Linda's gifts are many. In thefirst episode, back in 2021, she
talked about her work as anastrologer and magic maker. And

(03:59):
in the second episode in 2022,she discussed her work as a
holistic sex educator andburlesque producer and
performer. Highly recommendchecking those episodes out if
you haven't already.
Given the nature of theseinteresting times, I asked Linda
if she'd be willing to come backon the show and give us a taste
of what we can expect in thecoming months through the lens

(04:21):
of astrology, as well as how tobest navigate the challenges
that she sees coming. So fastenyour seatbelts, and please enjoy
my conversation with Linda RiverValente. We have our returning
champion, Linda River Valente.

Linda (04:44):
I'm doing my James Brown thing! I mean, I'm gonna take
off my cloak. I'm gonna- thereyou go. Everyone spray water on
me. Here I go.

Wendy (04:51):
Get down on one knee.

Linda (04:54):
I'm here. I'm here. Returning champ.

Wendy (04:57):
Yes. Yes. Indeed. Yep. So, yeah, take 2 on this
conversation. I'm reallygrateful that you were willing
to do a do over.

Linda (05:07):
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I could be as brilliant
as I was on the one thatdisappeared into the ether. I
mean, that was just perfectrecording, but we'll see.

Wendy (05:20):
Yeah. So no pressure.

Linda (05:22):
No pressure. Yeah. No. No.

Wendy (05:24):
No. Yeah. Well, I'm psyched you came back and, and I
I suspect people might be eagerto hear your perspective on Yes.
How fucked are we, Linda?

Linda (05:35):
Yes. This is such a

Wendy (05:38):
just a great way to start the conversation. Right? Let's
start with our

Linda (05:42):
Yeah. Drop our

Wendy (05:42):
anchor in the negative polarity about that.

Linda (05:45):
It's a great place to start. We might as well start
because it's like, yep. Howfucked are we? I'm a sex
educator. Right?
So I'm like, can we fuck better?

Wendy (05:58):
Can we be better? Always fuck better. I think we can
always do that. Yeah.

Linda (06:02):
But if if we think about just the astrological and
cultural, political, socialrealms of which we are speaking,
right, which is like, what's upwith the mayhem and how do we
ride these waves? Yeah. There'slots of astrological framing
that we can look at today interms of let's see. So we're

(06:26):
recording mid September, andthis will get to people end of
October, beginning of NovemberThat's the hope. Hopefully
because it would be before the,air quotes, US election.
But astrology will give us alovely frame in which to answer

(06:52):
the how fucked are we. We canthink about the astrology of
this past summer and understandhow it brings us into the autumn
and the winter, and we can startto think about how, you know,
astrology rather than a sort ofreductionist pop culture, This

(07:16):
means that, and so there's that.We could also accept the
invitation in this moment toexpand our understanding of
astrology to the richness ofcyclical time and history, we
can also remember that theoldest stories from the very

(07:36):
first peoples in this world,stories of indigenous star lore,
right, were more than just areductionist explanation of x,
y, z. They were in companionablerelationship with their night
sky. They used that night sky toget them all over this fucking

(07:58):
planet with a level oftechnological sophistication
that they are not givensufficient recognition for.
Right? So just stepping into thehow fucked. Yeah. Let's use an
astrological frame to look atsome of this and then maybe
think about once we've gottensome tip offs on that

(08:22):
astrological framing. And wewill look specifically at end of
2024, first half of twentytwenty five.
Once we have that framing, wecan say, well, then what human
practices are we being called toat this time to remove us just

(08:49):
from that sense that this isbeing done unto us and more that
we are co creating and sort ofin a living time frame as we go.
And we're collaborating withplanets and aspects as we move
along.

Wendy (09:08):
Okay. So you're looking at astrology through this more
relational lens. Like we couldhave

Linda (09:14):
Yeah.

Wendy (09:15):
Relationships with the planets

Linda (09:17):
and the

Wendy (09:17):
asteroids and

Linda (09:18):
the stars. We could certainly the way that Western
astrology has bloomed andboomed, I would say over the
last 25 years, There's atendency, understandably,
because ourselves need help,that's for sure, but there's a
tendency for people to pulltoward a quote unquote sort of

(09:38):
self help or psychological modelwhen they're using astrology as
a tool to understand themselves.So that would be like when
people say, yeah. I'm gonna getmy chart done. I'm gonna get my
natal chart done.
I wanna know what is my wiring?What's going on in here? What
are my gifts and my strengths?What do I need a heads up on?

(10:01):
What are the transits that I'mexperiencing?
In other words, how's the sky inreal time speaking to my wiring?
Right? And using astrologicalcharts, natal charts, timings of
transits, it's like pure gold.It's a pure wonderful gold way

(10:23):
to befriend yourself throughthis life. And there are much
bigger signatures, especiallywhen we start to talk about
things called outer planets.
So the outer planets, and theyare Pluto, Uranus and Neptune.

(10:44):
The outer planets, those are theones that were more recently
discovered. And in the case ofall of them required a sort of a
technological bump for us to seethem. That it wasn't like since
time immemorial, you look up inthe sky and Venus is the morning

(11:06):
star. Or you look in the sky andthere's Mars and he's red and
freaking out.
Right? So these outer planetsspeak to us about culture and
cultural change. And to me, theyare a real boon in terms of
shaping the biggest questions infront of us at the moment.

Wendy (11:29):
Okay. Can I interrupt here to ask a question? I'm
curious about your take oninterpretation. Mhmm. Like, if
we had 10 astrologers Yeah.
Sitting here right now having aconversation with us Yeah. Or
having a conversation together,would all of them be in
agreement or would all of themhave different takes on the same

Linda (11:52):
There would be a sufficient level of coherence
around what do we believe itmeans when X planet does Y? What
does that usually bring forth inthe human narrative? Right?

(12:12):
There would be some real rocksolid agreement, but different
astrologers will deliver this,of course, in a very bespoke way
to their design. Are they peoplethat

Wendy (12:28):
based on their charts?

Linda (12:29):
Based on their charts. Better believe it. Are they
people that feel like we shouldbe actively engaging with the
biggest cultural and politicalmoments that we are in? Are they
people that believe that we aresupposed to float above and

(12:50):
outside of the earthly realm? Isay no to that.
Yep. I say hell no to that. Butthere's certainly a way that
different astrologers based ontheir own values deliver their
their take on things. But if wewere all sitting down, for
example, and we were all lookingat the notes and the first

(13:10):
bullet point said Pluto intoAquarius. That outer planet
shifting into this astrologicalsign.
Pretty much we'd all look aroundat each other and start doing
wobbly eyebrows and like havinga moment because, hey, We all
know what conversation isopening up. So the outer planet

(13:34):
astrology, when you start tohear astrologers and authors and
thinkers speaking about thesebigger cultural moments, it's
worth a listen to hear what thatmeans. Okay.

Wendy (13:50):
So you're saying it would be fairly consistent?

Linda (13:53):
Mhmm.

Wendy (13:53):
Okay.

Linda (13:54):
Mhmm. But the way that people what people believe is to
be done as a result of thoseThat's the difference. Is
changeable. Yep. If people arestill strongly invested in the
idea that some semblance ofnormal or olden days is coming

(14:14):
back, then they would makeadvisements that I would find
pretty poor advice.
So I'd say, please go get yourrefund. They would be making
certain advisements based on a aworld view that is a material,
solely empirical, profoundlycapitalist. This is how to deal

(14:34):
with this time. Play the oldgame.

Wendy (14:37):
Which is culturally what most of us

Linda (14:41):
Are conditioned to have. To have. Yep.

Wendy (14:43):
We the way we've been Yep. Kind of taught to think
about it or just our lifeexperience.

Linda (14:48):
Yep. And so and but then you will also have a sort of
advisement which is more likewhat I do for myself and with
other folks which is like, canyou interface intimately with
the realities of what theseplanetary transits bring, for

(15:10):
example, genocide, poverty,political chaos, the whole
spectrum of human suffering canyou sit with those and witness
them, and through astrology havewhat I think is the benefit of a

(15:32):
framework, a cosmology tobreathe inside of, but that can
you also more highly engage withthe animate world, with the
invisible world. I think one ofthe things that we talked about
when we recorded last time was Iwas talking about where the

(15:54):
outer planets had been latelyand why it was such a big juicy
deal that in 2025, all 3 ofthese outer planets will be
changing sign which portendshuge cultural shifts. Right?
Okay.
And I remember now that we went1 by 1 through these and

(16:20):
explained, well, what are they?What does if that's the title of
the book, right? Like what's thestory inside that book? And I
remember mentioning about theaspect to Uranus and Taurus,
which I'll talk about these 3now, but I remember we spoke
about that is part of what hasbrought animism and the idea of

(16:43):
an animate cosmos and a livingworld so much more into the
mainstream. Really?
Because before 2018 in amainstream way,

Wendy (16:57):
people like to be freaks. You had

Linda (16:59):
to be looking for it. You had to be looking for it. Yep.
The idea that rivers should havepersonhood. Like, so what?
Who's talking about what? Sothat's that's even a measure for
us to think about how importantare these outer planets. So for
example, as we are recording inSeptember, and when you,

(17:23):
friends, listen to this podcast,right, whether you're hearing it
in November, probably inNovember, you will have the
benefit of looking back andsaying, yeah, that's right. What
was my September about? What wasmy October about?
Right? They have not yethappened, but you will look at
them. I can say from my seathere, September, October and

(17:46):
almost all of November are thefinal act the very big crescendo
to an era of time known as Plutoin Capricorn has been happening
since 2008. The markers of thistime are deep decay, deep

(18:10):
fracturing around empire,systems of power, around
finances, around borders,immigration, prisons, policing.
So much has come out of thisPluto in Capricorn.
It's everything from the copcity project in Atlanta. It's

(18:34):
the fucking crash in 2008 withthe too big to fail. It is the
exquisitely painful law that wascreated in the 20 tens, right,
saying that corporations have atype of personhood, but a river
or a mountain doesn't. You know?So Pluto and Capricorn makes

Wendy (18:53):
perfect sense.

Linda (18:54):
Right? Oh my god. Oh, sure. Yeah. We'll give you all
the votes, guys.
Okay, boys.

Wendy (19:00):
Yeah.

Linda (19:00):
So the Pluto in Capricorn time, we are in September
October November. We are closingthis time out. We will not
experience this again as humansthat are living because it'll
take over 230 years for it tohit that same spot. We are
watching our country, if you arelistening in the States. We're

(19:23):
watching the United Statesexperience her Pluto return, and
it's not a good look.
It's like overflowing sewers.When you have a Pluto return,
the shadow is abundant. It iseverywhere. It is like a hazmat
site, right? We can look at USpolitical discourse, social

(19:47):
discourse from a Pluto andCapricorn perspective and we can
easily say, wow, what afascinating run up to the
American election.
Again, air quotes happening, andastrologers have been looking at
this for years. We've had oureyes on it saying, wow, this is
such a big moment, right, beforePluto returns to Aquarius to

(20:08):
stay for a time next calendaryear. That impacts the election
in an enormous way. It impactsthe discourse. It impacts the
profound lack of nuance,continuing lack of nuance in
conversations.
It's huge. Uranus and Taurus, wehave this through the end of

(20:30):
this year, through into thebeginning of 2025, innovation
around farming, agriculture,education, health care, systems
of currency, the way they allcome together. We have had so
much, the whole idea ofrematriating land, the idea of

(20:52):
sustainable agriculture, lookingat our health care system,
understanding the things that wedo now, looking at our systems
of education, how, quote,unquote, pandemic era policies
blew up what we knew abouteducation and health care and
banking to to be fair, as wellas human culture at large.

(21:14):
Right? So that's that's just oneof them.
We can look at these biggersignatures and find that
evidence of these are writ largethrough all the headlines. They
are political. They are deeplypersonal. All of these stories
are here. There is an abundanceof things happening and an

(21:39):
astrological frame can providesomeone a lens through which to
understand that we areindividually a deep and
essential part of what'shappening, and that there is
something an intelligence farlarger than us, far larger than

(22:00):
us, and we are on that ride.

Wendy (22:04):
Okay. Well, fasten your seatbelts, it sounds like. Okay.
Well, what's interesting is thata lot of what you're saying
supports, at least in some ways,I don't know if in all ways or
not, but the visionaryexperience I had

Linda (22:21):
Yes.

Wendy (22:21):
Yes. Back in 2008 Yeah. Which Yes. I did bring up in our
our initial conversation, butI'll bring it up again just from
a different vantage point tolook at this particular time
according to what I was shown. Ihad a visionary experience that
I thought was going to go in onedirection, and it took me in an
entirely different direction.
Where I landed was at the centerof the Milky Way galaxy in the

(22:44):
black hole, and it was a veryweird experience. It was hard to
breathe. It's super dense. Itwas just a very intense
experience. And when I got inthis space, the only way I could
describe it was like I was goingin something, but I don't even
know if I was in something ornot.
But when I was there, Iperceived small patterns of

(23:07):
colored lights that reminded meof Aboriginal art.

Linda (23:11):
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (23:12):
And I felt like this place that I was in was a place
of creation and destruction, andthat these lights had
information embedded in them.And then I didn't know what that
information was, but the insightI had was that I would come to
understand it in the the hoursand the days following the

(23:32):
experience because it was I wasjust basically being immersed in
the information and then mybrain parts would catch up
later. Right? So after thatexperience, what came to me in
the in the ensuing hours anddays was that we were going
through this huge transitionalprocess on the planet, and that

(23:55):
it would be uncomfortable. Yeah.
And it would take a long periodof time for it to happen, that
it already had started a longtime ago, and that this process
was unfolding and would get veryintense. I ended up calling it
the chaos. Yeah. Because what Iwas shown was that every system
on the planet from the bigsystems, like you were

(24:16):
mentioning, the economic, thepolitical, the environmental
systems, everything was gonna begoing into chaos. Yeah.
And I'm not a physicist, but myunderstanding of chaos theory is
that when a system goes intochaos, it's either going to
collapse and reorganize itselfYeah. Or it'll just collapse.

(24:38):
Yes. Yes. So that's my crudeunderstanding of chaos theory.
But the chaos would not behappening just on this global
level, but it would happen onthe societal level, the regional
level, the family system level

Linda (24:52):
Yes.

Wendy (24:53):
Between individuals, relationship level, with each
individual Yeah. Be happeningwithin themselves. It's it was
like you can run, but you can'thide.

Linda (25:02):
Yes.

Wendy (25:02):
That my understanding of what we were going to be going
through, and and it seemed likeit was really necessary because
that's how transformation works.Right? Is that it's like deep
shadow work. It's like all ofthe stuff that was hidden was
gonna be revealed on everylevel, in every system, whether
it's the individual system orYeah. All the way up to the all
the way up to the global system.
So things that were hidden weregonna be revealed, and then that
would create a lot of chaos Yes.And disorder because it's like,

(25:31):
what do you do with thisinformation that you thought was
this and now it's that.

Linda (25:35):
Totally. That's a really that's a beautiful way to step
toward understanding Pluto.Because Pluto is about shadow
work, flipping over the stonesand looking at what's
underneath. And you're not gonnalike it, but you gotta flip it.

(25:56):
Pluto spends we can definedifferent human generations by
where Pluto was at any giventime because he's hanging out in
a sign sometimes for about 20years.
We'll give him 20. Right? Twentyis just like top window. When

(26:16):
Pluto moves through a sign, webetter understand cultural
shadow. We see where human fearslie, and we see the underpinning
of power dynamics.
It has been such a moving humanmoment to experience a Pluto in

(26:39):
Capricorn moment, because whatit's doing is exactly as you
perceived and exactly as so manyof those who choose to perceive
and listen have had us beprepared for this moment because
there have been plenty ofteachings and wisdom teachings

(27:02):
that have had us be ready orbetter positioned. This is
decay. This is collapse. Globaldismemberment. This is this is a
global dismemberment journey,and what happens is there is a
Reconstruction.
And this reconstruction that isavailable to us when Pluto

(27:26):
shifts to stay in the sign ofAquarius for a time in 25, we've
had little nibbles of it overthe last 2 years. But when he
comes to stay in 25, the projectis like, what are our fears
about the future? What are ourfears about human society, about
the human tribe? What are thefears we have about the primacy

(27:50):
and the takeover oftechnological systems that are
actually driven by animpoverished worldview by very
unimpoverished characters?Right?
So when we're talking about thevignette, that visual that you
had, that is deeply where we arefrom an astrological

(28:13):
perspective. What catches my earabout that is when you said,
well, I knew that when I was init, I was gonna absorb the
lights. I was gonna do thething. I was gonna basically
receive the transmission. And Ifigured when I got out of it, my
big juicy brain could do a thingwith it later, but I needed to
be available to the intelligencethat was coming into me, and

(28:40):
something that gives me suchhope and such encouragement for
the absolute shit show that isimpending through 2032.
Don't get me wrong. Do not getme wrong. Something that gives
me such hope is that more andmore people around the world and

(29:02):
in their own way, because itdoesn't look the same, it
absolutely doesn't look thesame, but more and more people
are willing to say there's someother intelligence coming in, or
there's something I'mperceiving. I might not have
language for this right now.This might be a sensate
experience.
This I don't know really whatthe hey this is, but show me and

(29:27):
maybe my big juicy brain can dosomething over here later. There
are more and more people wholooking at how ludicrous the
quote unquote consensus realityof the moment is, are more and
more willing to entertain thatthey're actually being invited
to a much funner party,

Wendy (29:48):
like a way better party. But we have to go through this
process in order to get to theparty. It's kind of like

Linda (29:55):
we have to go through this process and the way we
engage this process speaksvolumes about us and about what
we've been able to deconstructor not. One of my super fave
thinkers and authors that I havefollowed for years now,
Bioakomalaf, one of theteachings that he shared when it

(30:20):
was not a popular question toask and it's still not popular,
but people are easier about theasking of it but his question
was, what if the way we respondto the crisis or the trouble is
part of the crisis, part of thetrouble? And he proposes
something called post activism.

Wendy (30:42):
It it doesn't seem too far fetched to ask that
question, really.

Linda (30:46):
It doesn't mean but if you ask the systems of power in
this world that question, theywill say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Please look over here where weare making continual perfection
of the human race. We are soembedded in a technocracy. There
is no problem we can't solvewith science with a capital s.

(31:08):
Well, I beg your pardon, but theentire fucking rest of the world
for eons of time before youmight have some thoughts about
the way in which you caninterrogate, quote, unquote,
reality and receive information,receive knowledge, and figure
out how do I conduct myself in atime like this.

Wendy (31:32):
So you're you're referring to when you say the
rest of the world, what do youmean the rest of the world?
Because to me, most of the worldhas now been embedded in the
kind of the modern world. Sure.

Linda (31:44):
In a modern western and in that unfortunate western
globalization, which broughtreally just the shadow of the
west. You know, the the west asa project, like, isn't really
fucking good at looking at itstrauma and handling its shit
and, like, copping up to, like,the stuff it's botched. You

(32:06):
know?

Wendy (32:06):
Really? I hadn't noticed. And so

Linda (32:09):
right? So what do we have? Well, look at indigenous
cultures throughout time. Andplease remember that indigenous
culture and indigenous ancestryis not something that happens
outside of the western magicalframe. I am an Italian American

(32:30):
person.
My nana, my grandmother, wasborn in Avellino, Italy and came
to the United States after WorldWar 2, and my mom is first
generation. Italy as a projectwasn't Italy until 18 60. The
number of fucking diverse tribesand peoples and languages and

(32:51):
customs. Like, this is notspaghettis on a plate. This is
like we have a lot of fuckingmagic.
We have different kinds of magicall over the place. Our
indigenous human magics areplentiful, but it's never been
in the interest of westernsociety and certainly never in

(33:15):
the interest of capitalism toallow us access to that spirit
communication. What gives me ameasure of good cheer even in
the extreme dark that isimpending, and you'd better
believe it is, there are peoplewho are reaching back through

(33:38):
time and finding something thatis both deeply ancient and
wildly futuristic. This is oneof the high spots of Pluto and
Aquarius because Aquarius hasthat sensibility. Is it about
AI?
Is it about whoever, whatever,what's his face just did this
morning with private space? I'mnot even gonna give him my

(33:59):
oxygen right now, but, you know,those who are, like, doing
private space travel forcitizens, what have you. Oh,
that guy. That guy. That guy.
That guy. Yeah. So sure.Cybertruck man. Sure.
All of that is a really seriouspart of Pluto and Aquarius.
Deepfakes, the way that AI as anintelligence is being fed and

(34:24):
nourished on word salad and junkfood, and it's gonna keep
spitting out word salad and junkfood at some point. But still,
Pluto and Aquarius, Pluto andAquarius is vibrational. It's
nonverbal. It is ancienttechnologies that are the answer
for now.
Right. Human technologies.

Wendy (34:46):
You're not suggesting from what I'm gathering, and I
just wanna clarify if if I'maccurate in my understanding of
what you're saying, That we goback in time and we live like
our ancient ancestors. It'sabout a new way of being. That's
what we're moving towards.

Linda (35:04):
Yep. This game is all new from now on. Like, we just in
the spring of 2015, we startedgetting a little bit of a memo.
2020 gave us a real bigindicator, spring of 23. You
know, I'm looking at theseastrological markers.

(35:26):
The new day is frankly alreadyhere, but it is being created
moment by moment as we go. Sowhere there is no supposition on
my part well, until the shitfucking crashes, which will be a
riot, but there's no suppositionthat, like, we need to forego a

(35:49):
digital world or we need toforego all medical technologies.
Right? No. This is something farmore nuanced because if we have
that frame of mind, we are alsoassuming that our ancestors,
there's such a fallacy aroundhuman development.

(36:11):
There's such a lie that arrivedduring the enlightenment period
that said, we're just on anupward trend and we're gonna fix
it. We're gonna make it better.We're better every day. We're
going to this perfected utopia.We can automate and solve.
Technology's gonna take care ofyou. Daddy's gonna fix the

(36:33):
problem. And when that happened,it back cast old ways as
superstitious, primitiveUnenlightened. Unenlightened.
Unenlightened.
And I propose that there arehuman technologies. Again, thank

(36:53):
you, Uranus and Taurus, forhaving there be such an
incredible resurgence ofunderstanding around why
ancestral knowledge, placemaking, culture making is
important. So when we thinkabout these ancestral things,
we're not saying you cannot workonline from home. We're saying,

(37:16):
oh, let me think about mypeople. Let me think about my
roots.
Let me answer the questionslike, what did my people eat?
How did they sit with birth anddeath? How did they sit with
grief? What were their lifeways? What was the richness in
their life ways that it willhelp me so much to bring back

(37:39):
into my heart to understand nowthings around ritual and
ceremony and practice, which asI remember when we were talking
before, the idea of looking atthis very complex and sometimes
daunting astrology and bringingit down to what is our human

(38:01):
practice in light of the factthat, oh, yes.
You'd better believe there is aredesign that is beyond what our
imagination could have come upwith when we were little ones.
Who would have known or guessedRight. That it would look or

Wendy (38:17):
feel like this? Are you suggesting that what we're being
invited to do is to live lifemore fully as opposed to on the
surface?

Linda (38:25):
Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. I would propose that in
particular, the end of 2024 andthe beginning of 2025. If this
memo is just now arriving onyour desk, fear not.

(38:47):
Right? You've got this memo andgreat timing. You can choose to
situate your human body and yourrhythms and your relationships
in a way that can sustain youthrough the profound external

(39:08):
chaos that will be happening. Sowhat does that look like in your
eyes? This could be everythingand anything from somebody let's
start on family unit.
Right? Family unit. Somebodysitting with the way that their

(39:28):
earliest familial patterns havereally defined for them, for
better or worse, how theyactually relate to time, how
they actually relate, how theircreature body relates to time.
Do they have a huge sense ofurgency? Are they always the one

(39:48):
that's 15 minutes early?
Are they always the one that's15 minutes late? What do they
believe about time? Do theybelieve that there's never
enough time? That time is onlylinear. That it's a zero sum
game.
And if an eye takes time fromover here, then this person
doesn't have time over there.Right? Can they look at all

(40:11):
those pieces and say, oh my god.I'm getting so my human body is
so bossed by this. It is sobossed by the way that I
interplay with time.
If I experimented or entertainedthe notion, which astrology

(40:32):
surely does show us in somefascinating ways, that time is
cyclical, that sometimes thereis a right time for something
and a no time for something.That time is fluid. That time is
it's like the Henri BergsonEuropean philosophy idea that

(40:56):
was against the idea ofpositivism, which just indicated
times just seconds and minutesand it's a clock and that clock
bosses you infinitely. Right?

Wendy (41:06):
That's just one way to look at that.

Linda (41:08):
That is one

Wendy (41:09):
But we all agree to it now.

Linda (41:10):
And we have agreed to it. And if we look at it with
singularity and don't stretch itout and experience time in our
creature bodies in differentways, we become sick. We become
physically sick. Our mindsbecome sick. Our culture becomes
sick.
We end up with this urgency thatis nervous system poison. And so

(41:39):
even just by looking at your owntiny self patterns, you can be
in conversation with the bigpatterns in such a huge way.
This is why we think of theouter planets as transpersonal
because they're personal butthey're bigger than personal.
They're cultural, they'reglobal, they're ancestral. You

(42:01):
could just sit down withyourself today and you could
say, what do I believe abouttime?
How and with all the kindness inthe world, all the kindness in
the world, What do I believeabout time? What do I believe

(42:23):
about money? What do I believeabout love and attention and
affection? What do I believeabout the power of technology?
Why is there a part of me that'swishing to return to an old
stability that we actually canlook at now and say, oh, shit.

(42:44):
That wasn't as good as it lookedon the surface. These were all
the people that were crushed bythat system. These were all the
lands that were ravaged by thatsystem. This is what happened to
that lake when this one did thatthing. I just looked great right
here.
It looked okay on the top. Butnow, and a lot of this is down

(43:07):
to the astrological moment ofthe time, it does not look good
on the top. It looks ridiculouson the top. It

Wendy (43:14):
looks pretty good. Look good. Show got

Linda (43:16):
on the top. So if now you look at the top and you throw
your hands up and say, how didwe get here or is this for real?
You know, this is this lookslike pure farce. What is this
supposed to be? Cultivate otherways of knowing.

(43:36):
Remember that there are so manyolder and deeper veins of gold
here and even just touching intothem little by little.

Wendy (43:47):
Well and and remembering that it's in your DNA. It's like
you have the record, the historyof it. Mhmm. Because your
ancestors understood this. Like,if we go back far enough in all
of our ancestry, we bump upagainst these other world views
that you're referencing.

Linda (44:02):
Absolutely.

Wendy (44:03):
I wanna just touch base on the time thing because people
who regularly listen to thispodcast, the 3 people who do

Linda (44:12):
Hi, guys.

Wendy (44:14):
You've heard me bitch about time, and it's like my
perception of time seems to bechanging. Yes. I don't feel like
it feels like it's an externalthing. Like, my experience of it
is changing. It feels like it'shappening.
Like, it's not as stretched out

Linda (44:33):
Yeah.

Wendy (44:33):
As it used to be. Yeah. Like, when I was a kid, I
remember Yeah. Summer breakwould last forever and it felt
really luxurious and fun. Andand now it feels like any break
is happening within the realm ofseconds.
And so I don't know if that's areflection of my relationship
and belief around time or ifit's more the energy that I'm

(44:57):
picking up on that's asking usto look at time a little bit
differently. Because it feelslike it's forcing me to be in
the moment more than look at myschedule even though that's how
we're designed is we haveschedules and looking ahead and
all of that kind of thing. SoI'm blabbing on about that, but
do you have any thoughts?

Linda (45:16):
That's the relationship to time is such a huge one
because again, in astrology, wehave this range of planets and
these planets are people. Theyare absolutely people and they
have different conversationsbetween each other and based on

(45:37):
where they are in the Star Map,they behave in different ways at
different times. And so thequality of a time, the flavor or
the texture or the mouthfeel orthe scent of time in astrology,
for example, when Venus is inthe sign of Libra, that time

(46:01):
feels different than when Venusis in the sign of Scorpio. We
are presently in a culture wheretime has been so powerfully
accelerated by design. There'sreally no secret to this and
there's less and less, like,potential controversy about

(46:22):
saying it.
I mean, these folks have justabsolutely admitted to all of
this. Who the idea of the ideaof tech, like, our modern tech
components are designed bydesign. They want to

Wendy (46:35):
Are you talking about the doom scroll scrolling through
social media?

Linda (46:39):
So by design, these tech components of social networks,
social media, the digital worldhave really colluded to bring
your nervous system in a certaindirection. So it's it's no
surprise to us as a result ofthis time when this technology

(46:59):
is so embedded and there are somany digitally native folks now,
you know, kids that never knewthe difference, right, never
experienced the difference. Oursense of time and our nervous
system are in a deepconversation. Our nervous
systems collectively andindividually have been reshaped

(47:24):
by tech. Astrology is acelestial clock that proposes
that there are differentqualities of time.
There is calendar time. I wouldthink of that as Saturnian time.
There is trance time. I wouldthink of that as Neptunian time,

(47:45):
all stretched out like taffy,lilac fog coming in and out.
There is Uranian time whichwould be that very electrical
zingy.
It's a little bit digital, butthe horizon is still sufficient
to innovate and build. Right?There's lunar time, which is
that changeability in the 28.5day cycle. There are so many

(48:07):
available types and flavors oftime for our human bodies to be
in touch with, that it doesn'tsurprise me that you are one of

so many people who are saying: Wait a minute. I like to talk (48:19):
undefined
about the nature of time hereand who time is as a being and
what time feels like, and I'mnoticing changes in the fabric
of that time now that is partand parcel of this moment of

(48:41):
deep collapse and deconstructionand rebirth.
Relationship to time is totallyup for discussion.

Wendy (48:51):
Okay. So let's talk a little bit about how the
deconstruction might play out.

Linda (48:57):
Yes.

Wendy (48:57):
Just to give based on what you perceive in an
astrological world.

Linda (49:02):
So as we record in mid September, I can say that as
listeners peak in in November, Iwould say to them, Alright, from
where you sit, I want you tofirst bring yourself back, roll
yourself back to the summer of2024. I want you to roll back to

(49:24):
the summer of 24, and inparticular put yourself in the
month of July. Now in the monthof July we had an astrological
marker which was a Mars Uranusconjunction that we
astrologically anticipated wouldresult in a range of things.

(49:49):
That range of things came tofruition when it came to the
July news cycle around USpolitics, around the way that
your election ticket might looka different way than you
anticipated. PS, as I record inSeptember, I still think that
ticket's changeable, but let'sjust say we're talking about

(50:11):
July.
Okay? So in the month of July,we have all these changes. In
the month of August, we continueto have this American social,
economic, political moment thatis pure chaos and not the fun
kind. We come into the month ofSeptember. In the month of

(50:33):
September, Pluto returns toCapricorn.
For September through November19th, it is that final
iteration, that final act ofwhat does it look like in
practice and for real on theground when these systems of
empire have decayed, when thoseexternal administrative or

(51:02):
bureaucratic or systemic markersthat you believe define your
culture are just flipped upsidedown. Okay. And what that looks
like is an election season inthe United States, which will be
deeply triggering all of theshadow components of American

(51:24):
culture, everything aroundnativism and anti immigration
sentiment, every I it's all onthe table. Every way in which
the birth of this country andthe conditions which accompany
its birth and its little birthchart have 238 years later come

(51:49):
to bear like how do you dealwith your own shadow? How do you
deal with the shadow of thisbeing which is your your land,
your country?
You know? So let's talk aboutthat

Wendy (52:03):
a little bit more as far as from the individual level
too. Meaning most of us arereally uncomfortable with
change.

Linda (52:13):
Yep.

Wendy (52:14):
And what I've learned in working with folks over the last
it's coming up on 30 years. Mygod.

Linda (52:21):
That's time for you. I started when I was

Wendy (52:23):
8. Yeah. Exactly. I was very wise when I I know you were
wise when you were 8. No.
No. Nope. It's just the timethings go by so fast. Yep. What
I'm noticing in my practice whenI started out as a
psychotherapist and then notlong after as a shamanic
practitioner and just the statesof people's minds and hearts and

(52:47):
their nervous systems over theyears, I'm seeing a lot more
trauma come up for people and alot more, what I'm calling
noise.
It's like mental and emotionalnoise. Like, every human being
is experiencing this noise. So,like, when I'm doing shamanic
work, when I go into an alteredstate, my experience is becoming

(53:10):
different as this time getsthicker, the noise gets louder,
and that I have to kindanavigate through that noise in
order to get to the person I'mworking with and then get
through their noise. Yes. AndI'm wondering if that noise is
creating or just adding to allof the people having a tough
time with with stress andanxiety and their nervous

(53:33):
systems being dysregulated andfeeling kind of powerless and,
like, things are out of control.
And my take on this Yeah. And Iwanna hear yours also, is that
because we seem to be soresistant to change because
we're comfortable with thefamiliar, even if it doesn't it

(53:53):
doesn't serve us well, we likethe familiar. All of us are
guilty of that on some level ormany level. The only way I can
see a path forward when we healanything, whether I think this
applies on any level, whetherit's the individual level, the
family system level, theregional level, the global
level, is that we need themedicine of acceptance. We need

(54:17):
to be able to accept whatever itis that's in front of us, the
way it's presented.
And the cool thing aboutacceptance is you don't have to
like it. You just have to acceptthat this is how it is. Then you
can move forward and heal. Ifyou're not accepting it, think
about it. Then you're you'relike clinging to something that

(54:38):
no longer can exist.

Linda (54:41):
Yeah. And that to be fair, maybe never existed for a
large number of the folks. LikeSo clinging to the illusion of
something. Someone's good oldgolden days. That's maybe
wonderful for them, but chancesare that there are a number of
populations that did notexperience what they think were

(55:04):
the good old golden days.
And so that's also like there'ssuch a narrow lens. Very true.
Yeah. Such a narrow lens underwhich people are like trying to
talk about safety or normalcy.Some people have never had the
fucking experience of safe quoteunquote safety or normalcy.
Mhmm. And they have not beenincluded. Their voices have not

(55:25):
been at the table as policy andculture has been designed. So
that noise component, here's away that that noise component
I'm gonna try and fun up anastrological aspect, which is
not necessarily known for itsfun, but you're giving me some

(55:46):
you're giving me some thoughts.At the end of 2024, we have an
astrological aspect that willimpact all of us, and it's
called a Mars retrograde.
And a Mars retrograde is whenthe planet Mars seems to be in a

(56:06):
backward motion and thereforehis power to do what he does
well is impeded. Planetaryretrogrades mean that that
planet person, it's not a goodday for them. They can't make it
work. Don't ask them for theanswer.

Wendy (56:24):
They wanna stay in bed.

Linda (56:25):
They wanna stay. It's not a good time. A Mars retrograde
is a time where people's launchpower, people's will power,
people's I'm gonna take the ballto the hoop. I'm gonna get it
done. During a Mars retrograde,there are ways in which our

(56:49):
attempts to work that go to itand be the boss energy will be
thwarted.
And what you do do in the duringthe Mars retrograde is you
realize the richness of what itis like to do your work behind
the veil, behind the curtain,inside the chamber, within a
chalice where it is a privateprocess no less powerful than a

(57:15):
public process, sometimes evenmuch more powerful, but you
realize during a Mars retrogradeshit is just frustrating. Well,
astrologers have long had theireye on the fact that this Mars
retrograde, we go into theshadow of this retrograde in the
month of October, we go into theretrograde itself on December

(57:40):
6th, and the retrograde itselfdoes not lift until February 23,
25. A Mars retrograde, anyastrologer will wisely counsel,
hey. This is not the time to goto battle, to try and have the

(58:02):
win, to push your body, to pushyour agenda. Let's go behind the
curtain and listen more.
Listen to your interior world.Listen to your body. There are
probably pieces around health,vitality, will power, purpose,
agency that you can look atquietly behind the scenes. And

(58:24):
that that can be reallyvaluable. Will it be a really,
really hard aspect after the USelection?
Fuck yes. Because we'd we it isto be determined.

Wendy (58:39):
I don't think it'd be surprising for anyone to hear
that.

Linda (58:42):
Mercury retrograde in the election period. We have a Mars
Pluto opposition just a few daysbefore election. We have a Mars
retrograde following. We have aneclipse cycle change. I mean,
this is a great example of,like, this is not business as
usual.
But here's where we're funningup an aspect. When it comes to

(59:03):
the idea of learning to valuemore deeply the wisdom and the
power in our interiorexperiences, in our invisible
experiences, a Mars retrogradeis great. Right? It's like it's

(59:26):
a power down aspect. It's a justpower it down and don't push
when it's not the right time.

Wendy (59:33):
So you're encouraging folks to engage in whatever
practice makes sense to themthat pulls their focus inward?

Linda (59:40):
So during that point in time, if you're realizing, this
is a bitch. Shit is not gettingaccomplished. You can say, oh,
that's right. It wasn't supposedto get accomplished now. So what
can I do to care for myselfduring this time where the
external measures of progresswith a capital p where winning

(01:00:02):
with a capital w may not be met,I can sit with myself and get
square with myself?
So not a bad thing to do duringa winter solstice, new year
energetic. Right? People intheir own way can say, if the
crisis and the trouble issometimes deeply related to the

(01:00:28):
way we respond to that, how canI respond differently? How could
I respond but not react? Thepolitical landscape globally is
profoundly reactionary.
There is in the United States a2 party system, which is still

(01:00:48):
utterly laughable, and yeteverything we've got is built
right on that bank. What can wedo for ourselves? We can think
about what is the 3rd way, the4th way, the 5th way. What are
all of these other ways orintelligences? Let's look at
them.
Let's play with them becausethis is part of the eventual

(01:01:09):
uprising.

Wendy (01:01:10):
So Okay. Uprising. Alright. So experimentation,
listening to what excites you,what possible ways to

Linda (01:01:19):
thinking more along those lines of
in my nervous system, how do Ireact to any number of stimuli
or triggers? Okay. And how can Irealize that my nervous system
is the lens through which Iexperience all of this? If I am

(01:01:43):
profoundly dysregulated, it'sgonna be like a kaleidoscope but
not cute. It's gonna be an allbroken chunks of glass all over
the place.

Wendy (01:01:55):
So wherever you are, look for a harmonic egg.

Linda (01:01:59):
Say there were this invention. Oh my god. Yes. I
fell into that one. That'sperfect.
Right? Or a a comparableexperience. There are so many
beautiful, simple ways tobefriend your nervous system.

(01:02:19):
Mhmm. And this astrology will beso much easier to move inside of
if we experiment with doingthat.

Wendy (01:02:31):
Okay. And I'm also gonna put a plug in for because in a
time like this, it's probablyeasy to slip into feeling
powerless. Yes. And as we'rerecording this, I am very close
to releasing my online shamaniccourse, my introductory course.
Awesome.
That is a self paced course.Yep. And you can just Yep. Go

(01:02:54):
online. I tried to make it asuser friendly as possible.
All the years of experience I'vehad, tried to address all the
concerns that I've seen over theyears in the simplest way
possible. And it's like abrilliant way to bring your
focus inward, connect withspirit allies, your very own
special place in the dream timethat you can go to for rest and

(01:03:16):
relaxation and rejuvenation andconnect with personal power.

Linda (01:03:22):
And it's important to remember that these traditions
and these technologies are not afucking escape from reality.
We're not saying that they arean escape from reality. We're
saying that they are a deeplythese are deep wells of

(01:03:44):
knowledge and tradition andexperience that are a sorely
needed counterpoint to what isusually served up on your plate
on the daily. For example, I'mabout to start teaching yoga
nidra practice. Okay.

(01:04:05):
Yoga nidra is a practice thathas saved me. I first learned
about yoga nidra the last timeSaturn was in Pisces. 30 years
ago when I went to college, wasthe first time I learned about
Yoga Nidra is yogic sleep, andit is a state of pure awareness

(01:04:29):
bordering on trance but pureawareness, that allows you to,
as your body lies still, to takeyour conscious awareness and
travel through the body in a waythat brings you to a place that

(01:04:51):
your nervous system desperatelyneeds. Now, this is only one of
the many beautiful traditionsand tools that folks have
created over time to interfacewith spirit, to support their
human bodies in a living world.Shamanic journeying, yoga nidra,

(01:05:16):
ecstatic dance, trance dance,altars, ceremonies, Sound
healing.
Sound healing. Light healing.Biofield tuning. Petting your
fucking cat. Petting your cat.
Even if it's fresh

Wendy (01:05:32):
ginger like mine. Pet your husband. Pet your dog
friend.

Linda (01:05:36):
I'm a sex educator. Petting your husband. No.

Wendy (01:05:39):
It's in all the places.

Linda (01:05:40):
But really, this is like our human bodies need more
nourishment in times like these.There is now a beautiful,
respectful, culturallyappropriate, not appropriating.

(01:06:00):
Conscious way of looking back atyour roots, your human roots.
This is what I mean aboutancient technology. Right?
Shamanic journey work, that'sancient technology.

Wendy (01:06:15):
But it's now transforming to fit with the modern person
because we cannot go back intime and we are not culturally
native. Most of us. Right?

Linda (01:06:24):
Yep. These are the tools. They are asking for us to use
them. It hurts their feelingswhen we ignore them. Like, it
hurts a drum's feelings when youdon't play it.
There's so much here that'savailable to hand accessible,
appropriate. Let's We need thesupport. Talk is simple as

Wendy (01:06:48):
is having a relationship with your body. Most of us are
very familiar with our minds andwhat the content of our minds
is. Yeah. All of our thoughtsand anxieties and beliefs and
all of that stuff. We live therevery comfortably, but most of us
do not have a relationship withour body.

Linda (01:07:02):
And Yeah.

Wendy (01:07:03):
We don't acknowledge how hard our liver is working, for
example.

Linda (01:07:06):
And Yes.

Wendy (01:07:06):
All of our organs and how beautifully they work together

Linda (01:07:09):
Yes.

Wendy (01:07:10):
In this kind of amazing orchestration to keep us Yes.
Going.

Linda (01:07:13):
The billion things they do right in every moment that
keep you animated like Right. Ifyou stopped at woah. Right? Wow.

Wendy (01:07:22):
So your practice of yoga nidra, did I say that

Linda (01:07:26):
correctly? That's one that for me provides my physical
I think something that's alsoimportant is if you're somebody
who is dealing with chronicillness and more and more and
more of us will be over the nextdecade. If you're someone that's

(01:07:47):
dealing with chronic illness andyou think about taking care of
your physical body, it cansometimes feel like a punish
like, I've got to fix thisproblem, I am suffering, I am Or
your body has betrayed you insomebody. It has betrayed me.
What can I do?
Right? When you approach yourbody, giving it a sufficient

(01:08:13):
amount of respect and honor forwhat it does every day and every
second. You can also give it alittle extra boost of love and
care through practices, just forexample, like Yoga Nidra,
because your physical body isexperiencing a state of deep

(01:08:38):
rest that P. S. If you havechronic illness, and if you are
any one of the zillions ofAmericans that have sleep
problems, you may maybe do notreach that state in your
sleeping life.
But you can reach it in YogaNidra.

Wendy (01:08:53):
And it's really important. Yeah.

Linda (01:08:55):
Yeah. I'm also I teach burlesque. I teach belly
dancing. There are so many waysthat just being in the
physicality of our bodies forthe pleasure of it, not because
it's a self improvement project.Like, please don't do yoga nidra

(01:09:16):
because you think you're anabsolute disaster and you're
gonna use this most updatedlike, please do yoga nidra
because you say 'Nidra Shakti,Queen of Sleep.' I don't get to
talk to you very much.
You don't get to visit me verymuch. I am distant from you. I
am apart from you, and my bodyneeds your level of love and

(01:09:40):
care and sustenance, and so I'mwilling to enter this
relationship with you and notjust do a thing that makes x
happen. I'm gonna enter arelationship with you and I'll
probably learn more about again,what does my body believe about
rest or recovery? How do I feelabout living with some of my

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challenges or disabilities thatare ongoing?
That's a relational thing. Yeah.So having a relationship with
the tech or the tool, not justusing it, using it as a
transactional Westerncapitalist. I'm gonna do x
because it's gonna make me y.Right.
Okay. Of course you're gonna dothis because you want a thing,

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but what door are you gonna goin?

Wendy (01:10:29):
So what frame are

Linda (01:10:30):
you using? What frame are you gonna use?

Wendy (01:10:32):
That's a really good distinction. Yeah. So Using it
versus being in relationshipwith it.

Linda (01:10:36):
Yes. So seeing if you can say, hey, shamanic journey. Hey,
ancestral dance. I'm coming toyou because I'm a seeker or I'm
coming to you because I'mhurting. But I don't wanna come
to you transactionally.
I wanna come and build arelationship.

Wendy (01:10:57):
Meaning that you don't owe me anything. Right.

Linda (01:10:59):
Or I'm not coming to you just so you can give me the
thing that fits me perfectly andI can say that you checked that
box. Yeah. Okay. So well, whatabout it? Let's get to know each
other.
So that's part of it.

Wendy (01:11:11):
So I'm thinking like, I hope all of this doesn't come
across as lecturing. These arejust merely suggestions or
invitations

Linda (01:11:19):
Yeah.

Wendy (01:11:19):
To explore yourself and be in relationship with yourself
in a different way

Linda (01:11:23):
Yeah.

Wendy (01:11:23):
To take care of yourself as we go through this tumultuous
time that Linda's suggesting is

Linda (01:11:29):
gonna be happening. To remember to remember that, like,
you are not this selfimprovement project that is
supposed to turn out in acertain way. Like, you have been
living a life under these brokenand exploitative systems within
a worldview that does not thedominant worldview does not have

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your best interest at heart. Youmay be living in a body with
chronic illness. You may bedealing with There are so many
ways that we are humaning rightnow.
None of this is meant to beprescriptive. It is all
invitational. If you have everconsidered any of these things,

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or my wacky cousin does this.Right? Like if it has ever
tugged at you and you thoughtthere's something more than just
what I can see with my eyes, youare invited.
You are needed. This is not acool club where you have to do
this and you do this program andyou have this guru. Fuck. Fuck.

(01:12:37):
No.

Wendy (01:12:38):
So it's like paying attention to where you feel
drawn.

Linda (01:12:41):
Where are you yourself? Where are you ready to stand?
Where are you ready to learn orplay? And don't lose sight of
the importance of that under theincredible weight of suffering
that is at hand. It's not a thisor that.

(01:13:02):
It's not a polarity. You do nothave to crucify yourself on the
altar of news headlines. Pleasedon't. Please don't. Oh, God.
There are other ways to beengaged, involved, part of a
birth of a new thing.Absolutely. If you have ever

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felt excluded or uninvited, flipthat over right now. You are
needed. We it's like we'rewaiting in the hall with the
door open.
Like, you're super invited Witha beer. With a beer or a
mocktail, whatever. Or some ofthat good fizzy drink Wendy will

(01:13:43):
give you when you get out of theegg that is what electrolytes?
Electrolytes.

Wendy (01:13:47):
Yes.

Linda (01:13:48):
We'll give you fizzy drinks, but you are invited.
Know that with the astrologicalsignature of this time, there is
no reverting to some normal ofthe olden days. You wouldn't
wanna go back if you could. Youreally wouldn't. We know too
much.
We're going somewhere else.

Wendy (01:14:08):
Great messages. And the other thing I'll throw in there
is that you're gonna be okay.Yeah. We'll all be okay. No
matter what happens, we'll allbe okay.
We'll figure it out. We'llmanage. We'll get through. And
it's like, I guess it's just amatter of how do you wanna get
through. Do you wanna getthrough by resisting the change
Yep.
And making it really hard? Or doyou want to sort of try to

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embrace it in a way and acceptthat, okay, things are shifting,
and we don't know exactly whatthat's gonna look like. But it's
like kind of a big trust ball.It's like trusting that you have
all of the resources within you.

Linda (01:14:42):
Yeah. The wisdom Access to limitless knowledge and
support from the invisiblerealm. Mhmm. And just just a
matter of of realm. Mhmm.

Wendy (01:14:52):
And just, it's just a matter of connecting with it and
asking.

Linda (01:14:55):
And remembering that you are never really disconnected.
You fundamentally cannot reallybe disconnected. It's just that
our over culture and lots of thesystems that your body wisely
had to put in place at adifferent date and time, under

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different conditions, thosethings stick. You got here
through surviving, and this is amoment in time where we want to
support each other in taking abreak, trying to look at those
pieces and parts that got ushere, trying to reorganize

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things with love and care thebest we can, and having a
greater sense of trust in deeptime and in the way that you
cannot you are not disconnected.You feel disconnected.
You feel The connection isinnate. The connection is

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innate.

Wendy (01:15:58):
I think a lot of us just get so much in our heads that we

Linda (01:16:01):
Everything around us culturally has conspired to
disconnect you. So if you feeldisconnected, that's completely
understandable.

Wendy (01:16:08):
Yeah.

Linda (01:16:09):
And this is just it's a recovery excavation job. There's
so much inside you that is readyfor this moment, and there are
so many allies around you. Youcouldn't be alone if you wanted
to. You may feel isolated. Youmay feel alone.
You may feel othered. That's avery real experience, and that

(01:16:31):
experience and that traumashould be witnessed and
processed and cared for. And ata much grander level, you are
invited. You are deeply invited.Beautiful.
Okay.

Wendy (01:16:45):
It's funny. It's turned into like a pep talk.

Linda (01:16:48):
I know. And the question was how fucked are we? And the
end of it is we are absolutelyfucked in a unique way that as a
human race, we have notencountered this particular
astrological dynamic in this mixand match, in this exact moment

(01:17:08):
with this tech, with thesepeople embodied on the planet.
Right? Like, yep.
Sure. It's all a different day.New territory. New territory,
and we are wayfinders. Like, wewill find our way.
We always have. Humans will findtheir way.

Wendy (01:17:24):
I mean, we are a young species, but we've managed to
stay on the planet for, what, acouple 100000 years.

Linda (01:17:29):
As long as we get rid of the human exceptionalism, we are
doing much better. So don't getme started on that one. Mhmm.

Wendy (01:17:37):
Alright. So I hope we didn't scare people in this
conversation. You were justlike, I was like, Yeah. So are
you doing anything like youryoga nidra practice Yeah.

Linda (01:17:51):
Your class rather? See, people can find my work online.
You can send them the links tomy site and my Patreon. So I do
1 on 1 astrological council. Iam a holistic sex educator, so I
do erotic liberation work withpeople.
I am going to begin teachingYoga Nidra in Montpelier,

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Vermont in person and eventuallyshifting to, having recorded
tracks available on Great idea.Yeah. And let's see what is
coming up. Oh, if you'relistening in Vermont and it's
November, then you should cometo our Taurus full moon belly

(01:18:35):
dance bonanza, November 15th atBlossom Wellness in Montpelier,
Vermont. So if you are hearingthis and you're a Vermonter and
you want to do something thatwill get you into your body in a
celebratory way, women and nonbinary dancers most welcome.
No dance experience needed.That's something that is

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happening in November.

Wendy (01:18:57):
Very cool. Alright. So I hope

Linda (01:18:59):
this is helpful. You too. I'm hoping it will be a sort of
a marker of calm and sanctuary,if folks do listen to this in
November to realize that it'sthe astrology of the summer that
brought the autumn and winter tothe places that they needed to

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be, and therefore that sort ofwhy your news and life arc is
unfurling as it has, and maybeyou can take the benefit of
saying I'm gonna fun up a Marsretrograde by hanging back. This
isn't my snazziest New Yearparty on the planet. Right?

(01:19:43):
Nope. It's okay for me to go lowand slow and sit with the
bigness of what is at hand.

Wendy (01:19:53):
And remembering along the way that you're right on
schedule. That's right.

Linda (01:19:56):
It's perfect timing. Yep. Linda, thank you.

Wendy (01:20:00):
Thank you. No. No. Thank you. Thanks.
So it's doable. Right? Hopefullynothing that Linda shared was
surprising. I mean, if you'renot in a coma, it's probably not
shocking to hear that we'reliving during a messy time of
transition. It's not really newinformation.

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I've come to view messy times asincredible opportunities to see
and do things differently, andhopefully evolve as a result.
Linda's advice to take advantageof this time by going inward
seems like a really good one.After all, that's where our
power lives. Underneath all thebullshit we've accumulated
throughout our lives. Maybe it'stime for some emotional

(01:20:43):
housecleaning, so finding apractice that excites you is top
priority.
Maybe that practice mightinclude my online course. You
know I had to drop that inthere. But ultimately, it's up
to you. As long as you findsomething that sparks a flame of
excitement or curiosity, I thinkit's worth exploring and fanning
that flame. After all, there's areason why that flame, that

(01:21:06):
excitement is there.
It's a hint from a very wisepart of yourself. Okay. So this
might be the longest episodeI've ever released. Thank you
so, so, so much for listening. Ialso wanna thank Alex and Joanna
for their donations to help keepLucid Cafe up and running.
I appreciate it so very much. Ifyou'd like to help out, there's

(01:21:28):
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Alright. I'm finally gonna stoptalking now. I'll be back in a
few weeks with the next episode.
Until next time.