Unlock Your Quantum Intelligence with Author Kim Chestney

Developing your intuition can streamline your life and make it feel more magical. In this episode,  I speak with Kim Chestney about her latest book The Illumination Code: 7 Keys to Unlock Your Quantum Intelligence, which looks at intuition through the lens of quantum physics. We take some deep dives into fun and intriguing territory in this conversation.

Kim Chestney is the author of The Illumination Code, Radical Intuition, and The Psychic Workshop. As the founder of IntuitionLab and the CREATE! Festival, her work raises awareness about the importance of insight in the evolution of individual and world consciousness. Working for nearly twenty years in the tech sector, Chestney has led initiatives with some of the top thought leaders, technology companies, and universities in the world.

In this episode, Kim discusses:

• Her journey to understand how intuition works
• Intuition and the quantum realm
• Non-locality
• How our cultural worldviews and lifestyles can be a barrier to accessing our intuition
• Finding balance between intellect and intuition
• The genius of intuition
• The first key to unlocking your intuition
• Opening the door to the impossible
• Entanglement
• Remote viewing
• The Akashic records
• The illusion of time
• Consciousness
• Manifestation
• Discerning true intuitive guidance 
• IntuitionLab and course offerings

Kim’s website 

IntuitionLab website 

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Episode Transcript

Wendy (00:02):
This is Wendy Halley, and you're listening to Lucid Cafe.

(00:31):
Hey. Thanks for joining me foranother episode of Lucid Cafe, a
podcast exploring healingconsciousness and the
complexities of being human.Since I've been a bit delayed in
releasing this episode, I'mgonna get right to it. So much
to do, so little time.
I'll have an update about theintroductory online Become Your

(00:52):
Own Shaman course that'sscheduled to be released later
this summer in the next episode.Alright. So I enjoyed my
conversation with today's guest,Kim Chesney, very much. She's
the author of Radical Intuitionand The Psychic Workshop. In
this episode, we discuss her newbook, The Illumination Code: 7

(01:13):
Keys to Unlock Your QuantumIntelligence, which looks at
intuition through the lens ofquantum physics.
We take some deep dives into funand intriguing territory in this
conversation. A little bit moreabout Kim As the founder of
IntuitionLab and the CreateFestival, Kim's work raises
awareness about the importanceof insight in the evolution of

(01:36):
individual and worldconsciousness. Working for
nearly 20 years in the techsector, she's led initiatives
with some of the top thoughtleaders, technology companies,
and universities in the world.So please enjoy my conversation
with Kim Chesney. Well, Kim,thank you so much for joining

(01:56):
me.

Kim (01:57):
Oh, it's great to be here, Wendy. Thanks for having me.

Wendy (02:00):
Of course. So you seem to have quite an intense
relationship with intuition.

Kim (02:07):
I love that!
You know, that is really wellput, and and I've speculated
about that myself. Yes. I'm verypassionate about intuition, and
and I have been for most of mylife. And this book, that's come
out now, The Illumination Code,is really the culmination of all
of my passion and and researchand exploration from the past 30

(02:28):
years.

Wendy (02:29):
Yeah. So you referenced your new book. It's called The
Illumination Code, 7 Keys toUnlock Your Quantum
Intelligence, which sounds veryinviting and very fancy. It's
like, well, you're takingintuition into a new direction
with this book. Right?
It well, not taking it into anew direction. It seems like

(02:50):
you're trying to explain whatintuition is all about, like the
science behind it.

Kim (02:56):
Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, that's one of the
things about my work is thatI've always tried to sort of
push the understanding ofintuition to the next level.
When my very first book came outin 2004, the psychic workshop,
you know, I was really part ofthat initial wave of of really
helping people to understandthat psychic ability is normal

(03:18):
and a part of our design. Youdon't have to be born with some
superpower to develop yourpsychic ability slash intuition.
You know, we're really talkingabout the same thing. And as my
works progress, moving intousing intuition in every single
part of life, I've really sortof branched out and let radical
intuition. My last book reallytalked about how to integrate it

(03:40):
in daily life for normal people.And you don't have to, you know,
to go out and be all woo woo andand do all the crazy stuff.
Right?
And then once people startedreading that book, one of the
biggest questions I got whenpeople really started seeing
this stuff happen and work intheir life and experience the
magic of intuition forthemselves, The biggest question
was, how is this actuallyworking? If you have a thought

(04:02):
and your friend calls you at thesame time, like, wow, that's a
coincidence. But how is thatworking? When you know something
is gonna happen and then itcomes true, well, how is that
actually working? Right?
So we knew that intuitionworked. People have known for
centuries that intuition hasworked. It's just never been
able to be explained until thequantum revolution. So 200 years

(04:23):
ago, people would have to talkabout these impossible things or
these mysteries and call them acult or call them the
unexplained because we had nounderstanding of the quantum
dimension. But now with theadvent of technology and
computers and and quantumphysics, we're starting to
understand this whole sort ofdifferent level of the world in

(04:44):
a microcosmic way.
And now suddenly, there's aplace for intuition, a real
scientific place for intuition,but also a place that's very
normal and personal for each ofus in our everyday life.

Wendy (04:55):
Okay. So as you were doing your research to try to
discover what is the sciencebehind intuition, what would you
say was the most surprisingdiscovery you made?

Kim (05:06):
Well, I think it was definitely when I read Irving
Laszlo's book, Science in theAkashic Field, which is a book
that completely changed myunderstanding of intuition and
and just blew my mind. And whatthat is all about is something
called the nonlocal field. Ifyou don't know what that is, and
it's becoming more and morepopularized this idea, but still
a lot of people don't know thatreally science and quantum

(05:28):
physics have have proven thatthere is a sort of invisible
zero point field that connectsall things. Right? So we live in
a world, a material world, wherewe think everything's separate
and disconnected.
There's an object over there.You're over there. I'm over
here. But, really, we're allconnected by an invisible sea of
energy and information, like aninvisible Internet that is a web

(05:52):
across of all of existence. Sosuddenly, when these separated
objects, we find out they cancommunicate or things like
telepathy, things likesynchronicity, all of these
things start to make sensebecause it's not that we're 2
separate things that can'tinteract.
We're interacting on this superconscious level via our

(06:12):
intuition. So this understandingof this field, this beautiful
sea of information and energythat's intuition red. Right?
It's meant to be read by ourintuition. We connect with it.
We use it via intuition. Reallyshows how important intuition is
in in human evolution, the humanexpansion of consciousness, and
what a vital part of reality itplays.

Wendy (06:35):
What's really interesting to me as I was reading your book
was how you you describe thisweb. Right? And that other
cultures have had similardescriptions of this place, this
energetic realm, which we're nowreferring to as the quantum
realm. Mhmm. I have a long timeshamanic practice, and the
foundation of it is in Hawaiianor Polynesian shamanism, and the

(06:58):
Hawaiians would call that fieldthe aka field.

Kim (07:01):
Interesting that it's like Akashic, right?

Wendy (07:04):
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. You're
right.

Kim (07:07):
Yeah.

Wendy (07:07):
Yeah. How we're all connected by these they would
call it a like, there are thesethreads that connect all of us,
and that's how we're able toknow who's on the phone before
we pick it up. And I'm notreferring to looking at the
caller ID. I mean

Kim (07:21):
Yeah. Exactly.

Wendy (07:23):
That's cheating. But, like, you were referencing
before knowing something beforeit happens. That information is
there for us all the time.Right? And that's what you're
referencing.
But why do you think it's sochallenging for people to tap
into this?

Kim (07:38):
Yeah. Well, I mean, it's really just a rediscovery of
ancient concepts. Like you weresaying, like, today, we're kind
of conditioned out of ourintuition. We were coming out of
the information age, the age ofmaterialism where we think we
have to seeing is believing,touching is believing. Well, now
we're realizing there's a wholeanother dimension.
So part of this, a shift that wehave to make in our minds to use

(07:58):
intuition is letting go of someof that conditioning that we
live in a world of physicalobjects. We now know that matter
is really an illusion. It's justanother form of energy. Right?
And not just that we're allconnected, but we're all
connected, but we're all part ofenergy that that's connected.
We're not even just materialobjects. Like, that whole thing
has gone out the window. Sothere's a saying, and I forget

(08:19):
who said it. 1 of the greatphysicists said that if quantum
physics has not profoundlyshocked you, you don't
understand it yet because itchanges the way you see the
reality. You can't look at theworld the same way again.
So understanding that we don'tlive in a physical world. We
live in a world of energy. We'renot all separate. We're all
connected. This is science now.

(08:40):
Right? And science is hearkeningback to those early texts and
ancient wisdom that came upthrough the east and through the
scriptures. And all of thesethings that we've sort of said,
oh, you know, that'sspirituality and put it in a
different container is nowreally wrapped up into physics
in a very practical no nonsenseway. So I think it's a beautiful

(09:01):
circle, a beautiful return toour origins. But now this time
we come so far, and we have ahigher perspective.
And it's really an opportunityfor us to open our minds to
start to see the world a new wayand really start to rediscover
the wonder and mystery of life.

Wendy (09:18):
Right. So it sounds like you're inviting people to
understand the quantum realm bymaking it accessible in your
book and thereby understandingthat information is available,
like I was saying before,available to you at all times.
It's just a matter of accessingit. And you're saying our
beliefs or our culturalworldview is preventing us from

(09:39):
accessing that.

Kim (09:40):
Yeah? One of the many things. Yeah. That's one of the
things that we have workingagainst us. In the west,
intuition isn't nurtured andfostered the way it is In the
east, the east, it's a differentconversation. My friends in the
east are are very, verynaturally attuned to their
intuition, and it hasn't gottento the place, like, over here
where it's sort of, like, poohpoohed or, oh, it's just your

(10:01):
imagination or we can't reallycount on that or rely on it. So
I find myself in the west reallyconstantly having to keep
proving myself and provingintuition to people because
there's a barrier and there's aresistance to it. But in the
east, it's not that way as much.
Things like astrology, thingslike intuition are are really
more widely accepted. But so inthe west, we have to sort of
open our minds to these newideas in this shift, but we also

(10:24):
have to really slow down alittle bit more. We're so busy
here. We have a really toxiclifestyle in terms of balancing
our energy and finding, thosepeaceful times with our busy
times. We're usually in a stateof overwhelm, always looking at
our phones when we're not.
So we're in this culture wherewe're addicted to the mind.
We're addicted to sort ofoverthinking in a way that's

(10:48):
really suppressive to ourintuition. Our intuition comes
in in the moments of stillnessand peace and quiet. You don't
have to do anything to get yourintuition. You don't have to go
get a PhD to use it.
All you really have to do isopen up and receive it and learn
to recognize it when it speaksto you. So, really, the biggest
first step I always tell peoplewhen you start to really wanna,
like, lean into your intuitionto make more white space in your

(11:10):
calendar. Take more time alone.My favorite thing to say is do
nothing like it's your job.Right?
Everyone feels so guilty, right,about doing nothing. Like, oh,
I'm not I'm just gonna go spendsome time by myself today or go
for a walk or go for a bike rideor treat myself to a bath or a a
nice hot shower where I can justrelax and unwind. All of these
things are they're more thanself care. Right? This is also

(11:33):
something that opens us up tothat higher part of ourself when
those insights can drop in andthose little bits of intuition
can just drop in from the fieldand connect us in a way that
when we're busy running around,it just doesn't get through all
that static of our mind.

Wendy (11:47):
Absolutely. Yeah. I think one of the I think we must have
come to the conclusionunconsciously, collectively,
that our brains, our minds havethe answers.

Kim (12:00):
Yes.

Wendy (12:00):
It's like, if I can just problem solve my way out of this
shit, I'll be alright.Everything will be okay. Yeah,
it kind of closes the door,doesn't it, to being able to tap
into this? And it's it'sinteresting. It's it's kind of
ironic if you think about itthat we're getting in our own
way because we think we know theright way to do things by

(12:22):
thinking it through, problemsolving it, as I was saying, but
your mind is limited.

Kim (12:29):
Mhmm. Yeah. 100%. You're you would get it our way. I love
how you phrase that.
The harder we try to figurethings out, the less we actually
get in touch with that truismthat's gonna give us the
perspective we need and theanswers we need. So, yeah, so
getting out of that headspace oflinear thinking. And I really
tell people, it's it's reallylearning to think a different
way. So sort of retraining ourbrain to think with our

(12:51):
intuition first. So our linearmind is really great.
Like, it don't get me wrong.It's really important that we
develop that sort of thinkingmind that is very intelligent
and can solve problems and canreally do all the great things
that we've accomplished in theworld today. But what we don't
realize, and this is the bigproblem, is while our minds make
us very smart and help us to,like I said, to solve problems,

(13:14):
but our intuition is the key toour genius. Right? So that's
that's the complementary nature.
Our intuition and our intellectshould complement each other
because you can be as smart asyou want. But if you don't know
how to innovate, create newthings, get in touch with the
creative flow, trust yourself,bring down these new ideas from
that heavens, from the field. Ifyou can't do any of that, you're

(13:37):
just gonna be following otherpeople. You're just gonna keep
doing what everybody else does.Intuition is the secret to
genius and and innovation andingenuity and all of these
things we need to move our livesforward, to move our cultures
forward, to make the world abetter place.
So intuition is always there forus, helping us to expand and

(13:57):
grow and create new things. Andthat's why you have the greatest
people the greatest people inhistory. You you look at the
things they say, and they'readvocates of intuition.
Einstein, people like Tesla,Steve Jobs, people who've done
amazing things apart from allthe spiritual people that know
it. Right?
These are just scientists andand business people who've
recognized it, that it is sovaluable in everything we do,

(14:20):
whether it's our relationships,our businesses, our spiritual
connection, our health.Intuition is there for us. We
just have to learn how to listento it and get our minds out of
the way. Once we get thatintuitive insight and that nudge
and that feeling and thatknowing, then we use our really
smart brains to figure out howto put it in action and manifest
it.

Wendy (14:40):
Yeah. Although the names you just mentioned that they
would reference probably theirintuitive insight

Kim (14:46):
Yep.

Wendy (14:46):
To, their discoveries. Right? Yup. It wasn't something
they thought into being.

Kim (14:51):
Like Einstein, he's the best example. Arguably, the most
intelligent human to ever liveon this planet. And again and
again and again, he referencedintuition. And he talks about
his biggest moments when he hadthose epiphanies. Well, they
came either in the middle of thenight when he woke up and in a
flash of insight, it droppedinto his head.

(15:12):
Right? Or he's sitting rockingin a rocking chair on his front
porch being aimless. This that'shis term. His his best ideas
come to him when he was aimless.And that's the key to intuition,
being aimless, just being,opening your mind, letting those
ideas drop in, those thoughtexperiments he would have.
It's about opening up to thecreative flow and using his

(15:34):
imagination. All of the thingsthat most scientists, most, you
know, sort of people everydaypeople in this age who are
successful would say, we don'tneed. But in reality, we need
that most. It's what makes usextraordinary. We can be really
smart and do good things, or wecan trust our intuition and we
can do extraordinary things.

Wendy (15:53):
Well said. So I think the big challenge, and I'd love to
hear your thoughts on this, islet's say someone has an
intuitive hit, and then theyquestion it and they doubt it.

Kim (16:07):
Well, hello. Every person on the planet. Right? We've all
been.

Wendy (16:12):
Right. And so how many amazing things have have gone by
the wayside because we dismissedit?

Kim (16:17):
Yeah. Hindsight's always 20/20 with intuition. Right? The
the famous last words, Ishould've listened to my
intuition. But the good newsabout that are those moments
when you don't listen to yourintuition can be the greatest
teachers and validation of yourintuition.
Because what better time do youget validation that your
intuition was right than whenyou don't follow it and it

(16:37):
something goes wrong. Right? Soyou're like, ah, that was my
intuition talking to me. That'swhat my intuition feels like. So
next time, you pay attention forthat feeling.
And if you get it, next time,we'll follow it. So the idea
with that whole sort of processis to fail forward. The problem
is we haven't been trained tounderstand our intuition. No one
explains what it is. It's justthis weird thing that happens,

(16:58):
and we don't know if we cantrust it.
So why would we listen to it? Itsounds crazy to listen to it. It
doesn't make any sense. Right?It's not rational.
Intuition is not rational. It'lltell us to do things that don't
make any sense half the time. Soit's of course, we don't listen
to it. So that's part of, like,sort of my crusade is to it is.
It feels like a crusade, like,to give people the tools to

(17:20):
recognize and understand andtrust their own intuition so
that they can make thosedecisions and they don't have to
keep failing forward like I hadto do, fumbling your way through
the dark with this intuitionuntil you finally figured out.
I spent 30 years doing thiswork, figuring out, like,
systematizing this becauseintuition is learnable, and it's
repeatable. It's all thosethings. People think it isn't,

(17:42):
but it is. So I save here thetrouble. You can just read the
book, and it'll and then justkind of, you know, adapt it to
your own personal intuitivesensibilities because
everybody's a little bitdifferent.
But it really is just a processof learning to pay attention and
learning how your own intuitionspeaks to you.

Wendy (17:59):
Right. I was just thinking that your approach,
especially this most recentbook, The Illumination Code, is
really designed for those of usfrom the western world where
you're appealing to ourintellect to try to convince us
that it is real by showing itthrough quantum mechanics.

Kim (18:22):
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. I think that I wanted to
be able to you know, I actuallysat down with my publisher and
my agent, and we talked about,like, how do we how do we get
this message through to, like,every everyone, men. Right?
Because, like, women loveradical intuition. That book was
just very heart centered, and wejust eat it up. But, like, men
were just still they're still alittle afraid of that word,

(18:43):
intuition. It's like a word thata lot of men don't feel
comfortable with. Not all men.
I'm not making anygeneralizations.

Wendy (18:49):
There is something to that. Yep.

Kim (18:50):
But there are men who are just really largely, right, just
sort of adverse to that. So wekinda came up with this idea to
to go down this this sort ofrabbit hole with quantum
physics, which I've been talkingabout for years anyway and for
it's really since the since, youknow, I've always loved physics.
I I had minored in it incollege. Like, it it No kidding.
Alright.

(19:10):
Passion for it because I I Ifelt it. Like others, I read the
Tao of Physics when I was incollege, and I realized that,
oh, that there's this beautifulintersection of science and
mysticism, and that alwayscompelled me. So it's always
been part of my fabric ofunderstanding of intuition, but
I thought this was really thetime to dig in and really,
really make a case for it as apart of our quantum

(19:34):
intelligence. And that's whatthe title of book is about.
Intuition in my mind and in myunderstanding, and I've actually
when I was writing the book andworked with a number of
different physicists on this, isreally a quantum function.
And when we wrap our our mindsaround that and understanding
that, you know, everydaythinking is how we think in this
linear reality. We live in areality of ones and zeros.

(19:55):
Everything here is on and off,opposites, duality. So, of
course, linear thinking works.But when we get down to the
deeper level, the deep dimensionwithin us, the eternal
dimension, right, the the thedimension that exists beyond
this physical reality, thatreality does not operate in ones
and zeros.
It operates in a quantum way,and that's where our intuition

(20:16):
thrives. So our intuition is theway that we read that quantum
information, interact with thatquantum dimension.

Wendy (20:22):
And the same rules don't apply there. Right?

Kim (20:25):
Right. Hold instead of rules. Yeah.

Wendy (20:28):
Yeah. I mean, we already know this. We just don't know we
know it. Right?

Kim (20:32):
That's Right. Yeah. We're we're doing it all naturally.
Right? And that's the thing.

Wendy (20:36):
Especially when we're children.

Kim (20:38):
Right. Yes. 100%. When we're kids, we're very naturally
intuitive, and that kind of getsbeaten out of us as we get
older, and we're taught to besensible. But I think when we
recognize that these things mostpeople had these sort of
intuitive experience a few timesin their life at least.
You've had those sort ofcoincidences and unexplainable
things happening. But thereality is we can get more of

(21:01):
that, and we can do more of thatwhen we start to recognize and
put our attention and develop itlike any other talent or skill
like we would do with ourthinking linear mind. We go to
school and we do math and welearn to write. Right? So
there's a whole way to todevelop the other side of our
brain as well.
So it's not like we have to doanything or go anywhere. It's

(21:21):
all there within us. We justhave to learn to understand how
to, like, activate that and openup the flow and and get more of
it.

Wendy (21:28):
Okay. So before we dive into your book a little bit
more, I wanna take a little sidetrip and learn more about you
and how you landed here havingthis intense relationship with
intuition?

Kim (21:41):
Yeah. So I think I have 6 planets in Scorpio to begin
with, so there's that. So I amvery, very attuned to intuition
and naturally, biologically. Butas a child, I I grew up with a
lot of serious happenings. Ilived in a haunted house for a
while.
So from a very early age, I hadsome of those impossible things

(22:02):
happening, and people would tellme it wasn't real. It was just
my imagination, and I knew itwasn't. So I think for me, it
was a really a personal journeybecause I had to, like, I had to
prove myself. I'm like, I'mcrazy. I know I know this stuff
happened.
I'm not making this up. So partof it for me the feeling. Yeah.
Know. Right?
Like, I needed to to reconcilemy own reality with all this. So

(22:26):
for me, it was really part of myown spiritual growth and my own
journey to to go through thesethings. And as I got older, I I
ended up having more and more ofthese experiences, and I think
it was really my intuition's wayof leading me deeper and keeping
me on that investigation. And Iwas, like, on the trail of
intuition trying to figure itout and things would happen and
give me more information, and Ihad to understand it. And all of

(22:48):
it sort of led up to this bookrelease, which was really the
culmination of everything thatI've learned so far coming
together.
And and I wrote the book soother people could have these
experiences too. So if, youknow, when you read the book,
it's an activity book. It's notjust a reading book. It's a
doing book so that you canpersonally experience these

(23:09):
things yourself.

Wendy (23:10):
Right. And you reference in your subtitle, 7 keys to
unlock your quantumintelligence. Can you pick one
of the keys and just sort ofgive a little glimpse into your
world and what you're invitingpeople to discover about
themselves?

Kim (23:27):
Yeah. Well, my 2 favorite keys to talk about because this
is one of the things that peoplelike to talk about in podcasts
when we start having theseconversations, but they're, you
know, too much to go into all 7of them.

Wendy (23:38):
Yeah, that's why I said pick one. Yeah.

Kim (23:40):
Right. So yeah. Right. So but but I'm gonna pick 2. I'm
gonna start with 1, and then Iwanna say something about the
other one because I thinkthey're relevant.
So the first key, I think, isreally the most important key.
And so the keys are sort of ajourney. Each one you unlock
takes you a little progressivelydeeper and deeper and deeper
into the experience of yourintuition. But the first key is
the most important, and it's therecognition that a part of you

(24:03):
knows everything. This issomething I say again and again.
A part of you knows everything.And when we actually, like, can
affirm that and and believe thatthat there's a higher self, a
deeper self, a part of us thathas access to all the knowledge
and wisdom and events and thehappenings in all the universe,
then we have a space forintuition to open. Right? That's

(24:24):
an invitation for our intuitionto come to us more. We start to
believe things.
We can get validations. And I'mvery much I'm I'm not like I
have a low woo level on thisstuff. Like, we do things. We we
we validate them. This isn't piein the sky stuff.
Like, we gotta we gotta get,like, reality that these things
really happen and you know whatI mean? Serious. Yeah. So yeah.
So recognizing that that a partof yourself knows everything is

(24:47):
a key shift in the way we think,and it allows us to ultimately
experience all the things I talkabout in the book and then
culminating really with what thethe end couple of chapters, and
the next to the last chapter iscalled impossible things.
And once you start to live byyour intuition, you learn that
you are capable of impossiblethings. You, yourself, can do

(25:07):
impossible things, and you can

Wendy (25:08):
intentionally do them. You don't have to sit around and
wait for

Kim (25:08):
them to magically happen and wow you. Wow you here or
there. There's things you can doto invite them, to to witness
them, to get more of them. Sowhat people don't understand
about intuition, all of thesethings that we have heard in the
past that have sort of beenrelegated to the dimension of

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mystery. Things likeprecognition, remote viewing,
psychic ability, prophecy,telepathy.
Right? You name it. Like,whatever, like, a cult or
supernatural phenomenon you canthink of now relates to current
theories in quantum physics, andthat's something that's really
exciting. So there's there'sthings called entanglement if

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you don't know what entanglementis. Entanglement's really a huge
concept that really help us tounderstand a lot about
intuition.
And that's the idea that when 2particles that when they were 1,
when you separate them, you canmove them away. This isn't a
quantum level, quantum physicsparticles. Put them on different
sides of the planet, And whenone is activated, the other one
still relates to it. They do thesame thing. They're still

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entangled beyond time and space,beyond their location even if
they're not physically in thesame space.
So this is part of the work thathas helped us to understand,
this quantum field that connectsall things, and it it's not a
field of distance because it'san instantaneous field. It's not
like it has to take 3 hours totravel around the planet to get
there. Right? It'sinstantaneous, and they're

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instantaneously connected beyondtime and space, and so are we as
human beings. So now we canstart to understand all of those
a number and a number of otherideas in quantum physics.
So the 6th chapter really breaksdown some of those really cool

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phenomenon and talks about howthey're actually possible and
how you can do it. We have achapter on remote viewing. Most
people think they can't remoteview, but it is surprisingly
easy. And I've been doing itwith my students in intuition
lab for years now. And whenpeople realize that they have
access to information outside ofthe place where they physically
are, it it blows their mind.

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But it's the easiest things I dowith my students, honestly.

Wendy (27:23):
I mean, that sounds impossible. Right? That's why
you titled the chapter.

Kim (27:29):
Not so impossible anymore.

Wendy (27:31):
Can you explain using quantum theory why remote
viewing is possible? I mean, isit specifically entanglement or
is it something else? What'syour understanding of why remote
viewing is possible?

Kim (27:44):
So how I wrap my brain around it is that, you know, all
of the information, everything,everything that exists is stored
in this quantum field thatconnects everyone. So when you
look at this sort of everpresent, interconnecting,
interpenetrating, 0 point fieldas this sort of sea of

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communication between all thingsand and and also the storage
bank, the cosmic memory of theuniverse. So it is like you
know, in the old days, peopletalk about the Akashic records.
Right?

Wendy (28:16):
So Right.

Kim (28:17):
You're the the oh, I can read the Akashic records, and
you go into this hall, and youopen a book, and you read it.
And it seems strange. Like, it'sa visualization, but, yeah, but
how do they get things that areright sometimes? So there's
something to it. Well, I thinkis that the Akashic records is
really just was sort of an oldtimey way of describing the
Akashic field, which is anotherword for the quantum field.

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Because in the old days ofancient wisdom in the east, they
called it the was the was theether that connected everyone.
Right? So that's the Akashicfield. They had this notion
1,000

Wendy (28:49):
Like Akka. Yeah.

Kim (28:50):
Just like Akka. Right? I think this idea of the field is
updating the idea of the Akashicrecords because back then think
about it. This was in the 1800during the spiritualist movement
when this idea came intopopularity. There weren't
computers yet.
What did you store informationin? The only thing that they had
to references were books. Right?So the books were how they

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stored information. So it becamea metaphor.
So this library, this AkashicHall of Books was really just a
visualization, a metaphor forthis ever present data field
that stores all of thisinformation. So we're doing the
same thing. When peoplevisualize going into this
library and opening a book, theywere really accessing the

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quantum field is what they weredoing. And that's what I think
we're doing when we're remoteviewing. We're tapping into that
sort of going through theInternet to visit that sort of
space and time and pulling downbits and bytes of information.
And that's another thing that'sreally important to recognize.
So unless you're, like, reallyopen and really good and some
psychic people are naturallyreally open, when you do things

(29:53):
like that, you'll get bits andbytes because our connection our
Internet connection is a littleslow. We're a little, like,
rudimentary when it comes to ourintuition. Some people

Wendy (30:02):
Like dial up?

Kim (30:03):
Yeah. We're kinda still in the dial up phase. Right? So
when we'll get a drop in,they'll usually be, like, little
objects, colors, pieces. It'snot like you're gonna have some
sweeping vision of, like, everysingle thing in the room and and
notice it exactly as it exists.
Right? Once you get really,really good and you have your
intuition advanced, like, that'sthat's not out of the question

(30:24):
for human beings. But I think atour general level, the things
that we do in IntuitionLab is,like, I'll have a target, and
we'll see if someone can get thetarget or people will just look
for objects. Like, people willidentify straight randomly
identify some strange objectthat's sitting in my room just
because they'll get one littlepiece. Right?
They don't see the whole thing,Or they'll know that I live next

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to a lake, and they'll get that.Like, there's a lake. There's
water around you. Things likethat. Right?
So it's stuff that can'tnecessarily it can't be
intertwined for this bigsweeping all encompassing
vision, but it's those littlepieces of data that once you add
it up and you get a bunch ofthose hits, you're like, woah.
Like, I just saw, like, 5different things that are, like,
in your bedroom. Like, that'scrazy. And and then you start to

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realize that's beyondcoincidence. That's real.
And so we do, more and more workwith that, and it's just the
beginning because then you canmove into stuff outside of time.
Right? So first, this is space,but then you can also move into
past lives, other lives, futurelives, all different kind of
stuff move remote viewing time.Because ultimately, like
prophecy, think aboutNostradamus' and the the great

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prophets of history. They wereremote viewing the future.
That's really what they weredoing. They were seeing all that
information that was alreadyembedded out there. They were
just tapping into and seeingthose things. So you can remote
view different places, and youcan also remote view different
times.

Wendy (31:46):
Time works differently in the quantum realm. Right? Yes.
Does time exist? I mean, it's aYeah.
That's another question, Iguess. But, I mean, not another
question for a differentconversation, I imagine. But

Kim (32:01):
Actually, I I think it's really important to this
conversation because time isn'treally I think is an illusion.
It doesn't exist at allindependently. It only exists in
that we are in this sort ofstream of it right now. When we
become human beings and live inthis reality, we are through
relativity. Right?
We are individual points ofconsciousness, so there has to

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be a before and there has to bean after. In this world, we live
with the illusion of time, but,really, everything that's ever
happened or will happen or ishappening right now it's all
happening in the eternal now.It's all happened. Right? It's
all there and all the possibleoutcomes.
It doesn't mean that that weare, predestined. We can choose

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our way through our particularlifetime. There's every time we
make a choice, we splinter offinto a new potentiality. That's
one of the things about quantumphysics. It's based on
potentiality.
We can't predict anything. Soall of the different options
somehow are out there inexistence too. So that's when it
starts to get a little, like,mind blowing, but it works with
your intuition to reallyunderstand that everything,

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past, future, everything,everywhere is out there and able
to be read by your intuition.

Wendy (33:08):
Do you buy into the many worlds theory?

Kim (33:11):
Yeah. I mean, I do. A very smart man, Peter Smith, wrote
the the foreword to my book, andhe wrote a book called Quantum
Consciousness, which is anotherbook that really was influential
in this work. And I work withhim, and he's really big into
the idea of alternate realitiesand parallel universes and and
all of those those sort ofconcepts, which I think are

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fascinating. I think it it's theonly thing that makes sense in
terms of giving us our free willbecause I do 100% believe that
we have choice, and we createour own reality.
So I think it's the only thingthat makes sense, honestly. And
with time, I think we'll get abetter understanding of it as
science evolves and as ourintuition evolves. And, you
know, sort of together, we cansort of discover these inner

(33:53):
frontiers and make sense ofthem.

Wendy (33:55):
Yeah. It seems like it's been coming up in conversations
I've been listening to differentpodcasts and stuff a lot lately.
Yep. The whole many worldsconcept where there are many,
many versions of you out therewho had made different decisions
than you had made the part ofyou that's listening to this
right now.

Kim (34:13):
Yeah.

Wendy (34:14):
That's just, yeah, that's a mind blower.

Kim (34:16):
And Peter, actually, he does, I do some work with him on
that where you explore some ofthose other realities. He has
meditations and and so that heworks with people. And and I
remember talking with him about,like, I'm like, I don't think
I'd wanna know. I was like, Iwanna know. Because it's either
way, it's not good.
Like, if the other one birth ofme are doing so much better than
me, I'm gonna

Wendy (34:35):
I know.

Kim (34:36):
You know? Like, not You don't wanna know that. I know
that. And if it's worse, thenthat's just sad. So I'm like,
you know what?
I don't know. I'm sorry. I'mjust gonna Yeah. Gather.

Wendy (34:44):
But the concept in and of itself invites even more
possibility because it's kind oflike you can't really screw up.

Kim (34:52):
Right.

Wendy (34:52):
Because it's okay. It's gonna be okay no matter what
decision you make. Yes. I'm veryintrigued by the concept of
consciousness, and I'm curiousabout your thoughts about
consciousness. I mean, it's avery complex topic.
Nobody's really figured out whatit is. In your studies of the
quantum reality, where do yousit with your understanding of

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consciousness?

Kim (35:16):
Well, I think it it really does come back to the very first
thing we talked about incircling back to the beginning
of this conversation with thenonlocal field. So another
really cool discovery with the,nonlocal field is understanding
that when you start to breakdown reality so we understand
now that there's no such thingas really as physical objects.

(35:37):
Right? We understand that ourhands, the table, the everything
we have sitting around us rightnow are really sort of
densifications andmanifestations of energy. Right?
Equalsmc2. We we got all that.But what they're really starting
to discover now, this becomestruly mind blowing and answers
your question, is when you breakthings down far enough. For
example, we know we can breakdown the atom. Right?

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And we can then break down theparticles inside the atom, and
then we keep breaking thesethings down. And what we
ultimately have gotten to at theend of the road is information.
So we're starting to realize nowthat the world around us isn't
built from matter, nottechnically built from energy.

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It's built from information. Theworld runs on information.
And when you think about that,the implications are huge. Okay?
Because what that means isthat's, a, you know, our
reality, we can kind of start tolook at this reality as sort of
not that we live in asimulation, but it is a sort of

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manifestation of energy, light,information that's created. And
what reads information?Intelligent consciousness.
So we live in a mind madeuniverse. And at the bottom, at
the end of this, an informationmade universe is a consciousness
made universe. So that what'sbelow it all, underneath it all,

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we can call it information or wecall it energy, but it's really
a form of consciousness. Call itgod perhaps if you are,
spiritually inclined. But it'sone of those ways that you look
at life as being really infusedin every single thing that's in
existence.

Wendy (37:21):
That makes a lot of sense. Like I said, this topic
interests me greatly, which isone of the reasons why I was
excited to talk to you because Ithought maybe we could geek out
on this

Kim (37:29):
topic. I love geeking out.

Wendy (37:33):
So in my shamanic practice and also in the
framework I was given, like Isaid, through the Polynesian
philosophies and practices, andI am by no means an expert on
Hawaiian spiritual practices.What I came to in my years of
doing this work is that theshamanic realm is a different

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focus than the energetic realm,which to me is the quantum
realm, and that's the realm offrequency and and information
and well, information is storedthere maybe. I haven't figured
that part out yet, but I thinkof, like, you're saying the
Akashic records information isstored. Future, past, present,
all of it is there.

Kim (38:14):
Well, so just just to interject on that to to put a
little framework, what if youthink about information as sort
of the ground state and thenenergy is the excited state of
information. Right.

Wendy (38:29):
And that's where I was headed.

Kim (38:30):
Good. So we're on the Exactly. Yes.

Wendy (38:33):
So to me, the dream time reality is the realm of
symbolism. Mhmm. And so withinthose symbols, it's a dream.
Yeah. Right?
It's it's the dreaming realm.Yes. And to me, that realm is
pure consciousness, and it takesmany different forms.
Unconscious, superconscious,conscious, mind, all of that. So
within that realm is intentionand intelligence.

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And so if you have an intentionin your consciousness, that
intention to me will travel intothe quantum realm, the matrix
Mhmm. And then gather form andshape Mhmm. And then pop out in
the physical as an experience.

Kim (39:10):
Exactly.

Wendy (39:10):
That makes sense to you?

Kim (39:11):
Yeah. Like, it's the manifestation process. Right?
And that's how we cocreate with,the universe. Right?
Because our minds that's thething. When we talk about
manifestation, it's a big word,law of attraction, secret, all
that stuff.

Wendy (39:24):
It's also loaded. Yeah. Right?

Kim (39:25):
It really is. It was because we don't do it alone,
and there's so much about thatthat really we need to use our
intuition more when we do thatstuff because we gotta be sure
we're creating the right thingsfor our souls path and our
journey. But, ultimately,whatever we do when we create in
the world, we cocreate that withthe universe in that way that
comes from that realm of energy,that realm of information, and

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then manifests as birth into theworld through this process of
creation. And it's beautiful.Right?
And I was talking to Helena Wabaabout this when I talked with
her, viewed her for the book,and she was talking about how
the big bang was so important tothis. Right? Because the big
bang is what just explodedeverything into reality from

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this realm of pureconsciousness. And understanding
the world is just this wholesort of, like, explosion of
manifestation that we'reparticipating in when we're
uniting our individualconsciousness with universal
consciousness and Mhmm. Aidingthe world.
It's it's a cool it's a reallycool

Wendy (40:26):
It's the original intention for this physical
universe.

Kim (40:30):
Pretty neat.

Wendy (40:31):
Yeah. Very cool. Alright. Well, thanks for going down that
little bit of a rabbit hole

Kim (40:35):
with me. Good. Yes.

Wendy (40:36):
Yeah. Just I mean, no one knows. Right? I mean, we're all
just trying to Yes. Figure thisout because of our large brains
and our Exactly.
That's not large brain. Mymoderate brain is trying to
figure this out. So one of thethings I really wanted to to hit
on with you is how do you workwith people to help them discern

(40:56):
the difference between trueintuitive guidance and wishful
thinking?

Kim (41:00):
Yeah. Yeah. That's really one of the the first things we
do when I work with students.And I give like workshops where
I start talking about this. Andthen I really also have deep
dives where I work with peopleover the course of a year or 2
years because intuition issomething that it has to become
a part of your life.
It's not something that you canjust take a class and

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everything's perfect. Right? YouYou gotta work it. You gotta
live it every day in your life.You gotta go out there and do
it.
So I like to just try to armpeople with just the basic
understanding of what isintuition versus everything else
in your brain. Right? Becausepeople are like, listen to your
inner voice. Well, guess what?We've got a lot of inner voices.
We sure do.

Wendy (41:41):
Yeah. That's exactly right.

Kim (41:42):
I appreciate the message because they're right. There is
one voice in there that weshould listen to, and I I try to
explain that it is still quiet,calm voice of peace and power.
And that's key. It's a peacefulvoice, but it's also a powerful
voice. Right?
So understanding the the sort ofqualities of intuition versus

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our wishful thinking, ouremotions, our fears, our
desires, our conditioning, ourinner critic. Right? All of
these things are differentvoices that are gonna try and
just sort of muck out this trueintuitive truth. So intuition,
you think about it, What itreally is, it's our sort of
direct connection to truth.People are like, oh, what

(42:23):
happens when your intuition iswrong?
Well, guess what? Your intuitionwill never be wrong. It is.

Wendy (42:27):
Yeah. Then you you didn't connect to it.

Kim (42:29):
Intuition is synonymous with truth, so it can't be
wrong. What what's wrong isright that we we misinterpret
something or maybe we judged ittoo soon. Sometimes intuition
will take us on a curvy path.And that thing that we thought
we had to do, we might fail atit because it's gonna take us to
the next thing that's the rightthing. We might think, oh, we
shouldn't have followed ourintuition, but then just keep

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going.
Just keep going. And then downthe road, like, oh, I see my
intuition had it all worked out.So we have to learn to get into
a state of trust with our trueinner voice once we recognize it
and and just keep following itstep by step by step. And when
we live in trust with ourselvesin the universe, our life start
to fall in place and thingsdecline, and we live with ease.
Right?
So we have to quiet thoseemotions. Our emotions are the

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number one sort of inhibitor toour intuition. If you have
feelings around something, likeemotional feelings, it's
probably not your intuition.Right?

Wendy (43:22):
Yeah. Yeah.

Kim (43:22):
It's something that from peace and power.

Wendy (43:25):
Yeah. I've often thought that if there's emotions
attached to it, then it probablyisn't an intuition.

Kim (43:30):
Yeah. So it can be a a motive. Right? So you can have
an intuition. You're like, oh mygosh.
I just have a feeling about youhave a kid off at school and you
just have a feeling. You'relike, I need to go check on my
kid. Something's something's up.You could feel moved to go do
something. Or you could be like,oh, I have to go start this new
business because I'm so moved togo do it.
Right? It moves us.

Wendy (43:51):
Yeah. But it's neutral at first, and then you have an
emotional reaction to it. Like,need to check on my kid. Oh,
shit. What happened to my kid?
Like, that is right on the tailof that.

Kim (44:02):
Right. Right. That's a different thing. When you get in
the emotion part, half the time,though, when I've had these
experiences, right, like, I'vehad like, my intuition's kicked
in, and I'm just going. You hearstories of people.
They're not even thinking abouttheir feelings. They you just
get into a mode where you'rejust doing something. You're
just moved to go do it. And it'snot even about having, like, oh,
I'm so worried or any you're notdoing any of that stuff. Right?

(44:24):
You just have a purpose, andyou're going and you're you're
doing it. So it moves us. Andthen, of course, we have a human
experience of feelings aroundthat at some point, right? And
that's just sort of when ourregular mind kicks in. But the
intuitive part of it is justempowering, but it comes from
that calm place of peace andpower.

Wendy (44:42):
Meaning that you have to get rid of all the noise inside
of you, which is a tall orderfor many of us. Yes. We're
pretty noisy. The and the wholeworld is noisy right now. A lot
of us are in distress, highdegrees of distress.
Chaos abides.

Kim (44:56):
That's why we need intuition now more than ever.
And that's what I keep saying.I'm like, if we could just get
get back to our intuition, we'dall just just stop get off this
hamster wheel and just enjoylife a little bit, you know.

Wendy (45:08):
But what you're saying though is it's a discipline, and
so you have to stick with it inorder to really to tap into it.
And then once you do, it makesyour life magical, but your life
is supposed to be magical. Itit's just like you're inherently
a magical being. Yes. And youjust have to get out of your own
way.
Easier said than done, butthat's why it's a practice.

Kim (45:31):
Yeah. Because we we shut that down. I mean, you see how
children are. They live in aworld of magic and wonder. They
can play with themselves in thebackyard for hours.
Right? We shut that down as weget older. But once we finally
were like, wait a second. Whydid we do that? Life was great.
We need to come back as adultsnow and bring more of that magic
back in.

Wendy (45:50):
Yes. Please. How do you work with folks? I mean, besides
your books, so you have 3 booksyou mentioned. Yeah.

Kim (45:58):
Yeah. So I in 2017, I started IntuitionLab. I left my
career, my previous career inthe arts and technology, and
went full time into teachingintuition. That was my sort of
big risk that my intuition wasdrawing me to. It's, like, gonna
go all in, and I did it.
And I've been doing that for thepast how many years now. And
IntuitionLab has reallydeveloped into this sort of

(46:19):
beautiful experience where I getthe chance to work with people
to really help them personallybring their intuition into their
life. And key the key to it isit's a community where we work
with other people. So one of thethings I realized when I was
coming up in the intuitiondevelopment world is one of the
best ways to develop yourintuition is to practice it with

(46:41):
other people. Because when we'reliving our daily lives, it's
especially hard to tell ourintuition because we know
ourselves so well.
Right? So if we have thisintuition to go do something, we
think, oh, yeah. It's probablymy intuition, but, like, you
know, I could have come up withthat on my own theoretically.
Right? So you don't know forsure.
But so what we do in intuitionlab is we have I have created

(47:02):
this whole ecosystem aroundpartnering with people, creating
insight circles, doing intuitionexchanges, where you do this for
other people. And when I sitdown with you and I tell you
that that you're gonna be doingthis great speaking engagement
in some place, I have thisfeeling that you're gonna be
doing this, and then it comestrue. There's no way that I
could have known that because Idon't know you. Right? Or if I

(47:23):
say something about a relativethat you have, and there's no
way I would know.
So when you practice with otherpeople, you get those really big
hits. Right? So that yourealize, oh, there's no way

Wendy (47:33):
there's nothing attached. You have no skin in the game.

Kim (47:36):
Yes, no skin in the game. And that is the truth. Because
because we, we don't wanna know.Sometimes we want things to be a
certain way in our own lives,and so we can't see that
intuition telling us. Yeah.
A lot. I I I I I hear you. I Ihave the same issues. It's still
it's always it's always thestruggle.

Wendy (47:53):
I think it's a universal kind of thing.

Kim (47:55):
Yes. Even when you have your intuition highly developed,
you're still gonna be faced withthose situations where you're
challenged to trust it. That'ssort of the big the walk of
life. Right? Is learning to liveand trust yourself and the
universe.
And, yeah, and that's sort ofwhat the more we do that, the
happier we'll be.

Wendy (48:13):
Alright. So how are your courses structured?

Kim (48:16):
Yeah. So like I said, I have, like, quarterly classes if
you're just curious and youwanna just take a quarterly
class, and we have some that arefor independent study if you
just kinda wanna see what it'sall about. My favorite course is
the sacred guide program, andthat's the 1 year course that we
have where we have a group ofanywhere between 20 to 40 people
depending on the year. We'rewe're getting pretty large now.

(48:38):
I'm probably gonna have to makeI think 40 is as big as I wanna
go.
It's it's a lot It's it's a lotto manage, so I'll probably make
a little smaller Right.

Wendy (48:46):
Right.

Kim (48:46):
In the future. But but then we work together through,
different quarterly classeswhere we learn to awaken our
intuition first. So I gothrough, in January of the class
where we talk about tuning ourintuitive pathways. So talking
about how we connect to thequantum field and opening up
those pathways, getting into thestillness, getting more of our
intuition, learning to recognizewhat intuition is and what it

(49:07):
isn't, Right? And start topractice sharing with other
people, getting validationsbecause we have to learn to
trust our intuition.
And if we don't ever get ourintuition right, we don't
experience our intuition. We'renot gonna trust it fully. So
giving people an opportunity tolearn to trust their intuition
by practicing, by gettingvalidations with other people
and using my insight card deck,which is such a fun tool. So I

(49:30):
designed them myself. I createdthese.
These were one of the plans Ihatched. With my very first
book, The Psychic Workshop, Idreamed of doing these cards
because I thought the mindreally works with visuals when
it comes to intuition. It helpsus to speak and interpret
intuitive messages much easier.So we use the insight cards to
help us to sort of decode ourintuition and learn how our

(49:52):
intuition works and works withinourselves because everyone's
intuition is different andunique. We're all wired in a
different way to have differentpathways that are more open than
others.
So we work on that first, andthen we sort of, in the spring
class, get into the I call itinner magic. And that's when we
start talking about the quantumstuff and witnessing
synchronicities in our life andtrying remote viewing and doing

(50:14):
all those really cool stuff. Andthen over the summer, we do an
inner retreat and do, like, allkind of beautiful, like,
contemplated practices andmeditations. And and then we
wrap the year up in the fallwith, of course, called higher
powers, which is where we we doall the impossible things, and
that's sort of the crescendo.And we trial these really cool
stuff that say we should beimpossible to do.

(50:34):
That's great. They love it. Theone thing they say time and
again is it changes the way thatI view my life. Like, you you
just don't live your life thesame way anymore.

Wendy (50:42):
How could you? Yeah. Right? After you've had direct
experience of successfulintuitive hits. Yep.
It can't be the same. No. Thissounds really fun.

Kim (50:52):
I love it. I've been doing it now for all these years. I
love I love that, like, mystudents last year, every single
person that's in the 1st yearclass went to the 2nd year. So I
was like, well, that's goodvalidation.

Wendy (51:04):
Yeah. You're on to something. Definitely. That's
awesome. Yeah.

Kim (51:07):
So so I I think it's something that's really starting
to resonate with people. And andI just keep sort of it changes a
little every year because I'mstill learning. I'm still moving
forward. And every time I learnsomething new, I I bring it in.
And so we there's so we're sortof cocreators, and we we do
things like past lifemasterminds, or we get each
other's past lives.
And this year was amazing. Wehad people, each group be like 4

(51:28):
different groups, and each grouphad different people who brought
through the same life for thesame person, describe the same
life, people who never even,like, barely even knew each
other. Would this is likehappening over and over again.
And it's like you can't makethis stuff up. It's Right.

Wendy (51:42):
It's powerful. Yeah. No shit. Yeah.

Kim (51:45):
So it's a lot of fun.

Wendy (51:46):
Alright. Well, how do folks find you?

Kim (51:48):
Yeah. You can visit me on my website, kimchestney.com,
where I have the free insightcard deck if you wanna get there
and start practicing with yourintuition. I have an interactive
card deck that you can play with247. It's always up, and I also
have some free downloadabledecks there too. And you can
also learn more about theclasses and workshop at
intuition dashlab.com.

(52:09):
We call it a lab because it'swhere we go to experiment and
explore.

Wendy (52:14):
Love experiments. Yeah. Well, Kim, thank you so much for
coming on and chatting with me.This was fun.

Kim (52:20):
This is a great conversation. So thanks for
thanks for all your good ideasand deep questions. I love it.

Wendy (52:26):
Developing your intuition can streamline your life and
make it feel more magical. Andsince those insights are
floating out there just waitingfor you to perceive them, why
not take advantage of yourgifts? If you'd like to learn
more about Kim, her books, or toenroll in one of her classes,
please visit intuitiondashlab.comorkimchestney.com.

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I've included links in the shownotes for both websites. Thank
you so much for listening, foryour amazing feedback about the
show, and for being a Lucid Cafespread the word helper.
I really appreciate it. I'll beback in a few weeks with another
episode. Until next time.