August 22, 2025 • 26 mins
Your name and home address are everywhere — and that’s a problem! In this episode of the Main Street Business Podcast, Mark J. Kohler and Mat Sorensen break down practical, legal ways to keep your personal info off public records while still running your business and owning assets the right way. You’ll learn why manager-managed LLCs beat member-managed, how to use registered agents and privacy addresses, what PO boxes can and can’t do, and when a Wyoming holding LLC (or similar) adds a layer of anonymity.
We also cover the six states that require an in‑state street “ghost” address, the difference between privacy (camouflage) and asset protection (bulletproof vest), and real-world scenarios for landlords, investors, and anyone with growing visibility. If you’ve ever worried about tenants, stalkers, or just unwanted mail at your front door, this step-by-step playbook will help you tighten things up without breaking the bank.
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You’ll learn:
- Why manager-managed LLCs are better for privacy than member-managed LLCs
- How to use registered agents and privacy address services to keep your home off public records
- When a Wyoming holding LLC (or similar) can create a layer of anonymity for property ownership
- The six states that require an in-state street “ghost” address and how to handle them
- The pros and cons of PO boxes, virtual mailboxes, and privacy address services
- The difference between privacy (camouflage) and asset protection (bulletproof vest)
- Real-world strategies landlords, investors, and business owners use to protect their address and identity
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Privacy is becoming more and more important.
I think the more and morewealth you start building, the
more and more privacy becomesimportant to you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We could go on and on here.
I've got story after story oftenants just showing up at
someone's doorstep.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You kicked my family out.
You didn't pay your rent.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Think of it like a camouflage jacket with a
bulletproof vest.
If someone's got a strongenough telescope and they're
smart enough and you've been abad guy, they're gonna find you,
and that bulletproof vest maynot do the trick, but for 99% of
us, there's gonna be a layer ofprivacy and protection that's
gonna keep away a lot ofproblems in your life and it
(00:35):
doesn't have to cost a lot.
Welcome everybody to anotherepisode of the Main Street
Business Podcast.
Excited to be here with youtoday.
My name is Mark Kohler, herewith the illustrious Matt
Sorenson.
We're here to talk aboutprivacy.
We want to keep your lifeprivate and maybe your asset
private.
We've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, and your address private too in the
process, so people don't knowwhere you're at and where you
reside.
So let's dive into that.
I want to give one example outof the gate of someone who
jacked it up.
This is Drake.
You might know him as justDrake, but his name is the
singer.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, the yes, he's probably does he need to be
introduced?
He's not in the country genre,or I'd probably know him better.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, okay, I like how you're all country now, so
like okay.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Rock and roll.
Okay, is he rock and roll?
You're just not Drake.
Is it smooth jazz?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, oh, okay, okay, Everyone else knows who Drake is
, okay, but his real name isAubrey Audrey.
I don't know, I just know himas Drake.
It is Aubrey Drake.
(01:52):
And how do I know this?
Because I looked up his LLC inCalifornia called Silence Policy
LLC.
What does Drake use this LLCfor?
Oh, this is the LLC that's onthe other name, on the other end
of non-disclosure agreementsand agreements he has with
certain women and all theselawsuits he's had.
Would have probably been smartto not name your LLC silence
policy LLC, and if you did,maybe don't put your name on it
when you file it with the state.
If you're a big celebrity, itkind of seems like a snafu and
(02:14):
whoever lawyer did that isprobably fired.
Anyways, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, privacy is getting more and more important
in this day and age.
Identity theft Everything seemsto be public.
Age identity theft Everythingseems to be public.
The, of course, onset ofinternet years ago, and now we
have AI.
It is very difficult to beprivate and it almost takes a
full-time job, and so we'regoing to talk about that today
(02:39):
some techniques, some things youcan do, some things that just
you might as well just accept.
It's a way of life, dependingon what your situation is.
But I want to set us up firstfor the kind of.
The first conversation point isthere's trying to keep your
name and address private, ormaybe trying to keep an asset
private, like I don't wantanybody to know about this
(03:01):
investment or this property.
Don't want anybody to knowabout this investment or this
property.
It could be where you live, soyour name may be there, but can
people find you?
Or you may not want people tofind what you own, and so
there's two differentperspectives how?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
do you?
Yeah, and I think another wayto think about it, particularly
for our business owner clients,is you might be the owner of
Vandelay Industries and yourname's Art Vandelay and everyone
knows that you own it and yourname's on the website, and you
go out and say, hey, I'm ArtVandelay at Vandelay Industries,
right and so, and that's cool.
We're not talking about thatentity Now.
I might not want your personaladdress on that entity that's
(03:36):
another issue.
But you might have otherentities that and your Art
Vandelay of investment assetsthat you own.
Maybe it's a rental propertyand you don't need the tenants
knowing that you own this, whoyou are and maybe even where you
live.
We'll get to the address here.
Secondly, so you might havemultiple entities.
It's not critical for all ofyour entities.
Your address is certainlycritical, but the privacy aspect
(03:58):
of that entity and who owns itis more important for certain
assets or entities than others.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, and some of you may have more questions as we
continue and this is a greatpoint I'll say now to have a
conversation with one of our taxlawyers.
They can do kind of a privacy,asset protection comprehensive
consultation Literally, that'swhat it's called on our website.
Like we do that so often wherepeople are like, look at my
(04:24):
structure, where are the holes?
And then you can put a plan into affect where you want to be
on that continuum.
And another thing I'd recommendis great research, and there's
a lot of books out there.
Jj Luna was probably theforerunner of privacy, writing
the book how to Be Invisible.
I think it's in its third orfourth edition.
We've interviewed him here onour podcast a fascinating man
(04:47):
helping people disappear whenneeded.
I mean, he talks about examplesof judges, criminal prosecutors
, where they don't need to bediscovered and they're in the
public limelight.
And he's helped famous peopleand people that stock they're
being stocked people that were awitness and see witness
(05:11):
protection program with the fedsis one thing.
If you don't get that, you'reon your own.
And so I'm just going to say doyour research.
And the last point I want tomake is there are different
levels.
Yeah, for some of you, you maysay, well, I just don't want my
address out.
There's different levels, yeahyou.
For some of you, you may say,well, I just don't want my
address out there, buteverything else I don't know.
If I want to go to that level,I'm not sure.
Do I want an alien?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
having an alias is not illegal, and you're not
trying to hide from the irseither, you know yeah, and
there's definitely differentlevels of this and it's going to
depend on the state you'reoperating into, on how much,
what extent you want to go here,how big of assets you have,
what is your privacy risks, andthen it's all tailored.
(05:54):
That's the thing.
That's tricky is there's notlike, oh, just do this and
you'll be private.
There's no easy button.
There's no easy button.
I mean, you know it's givinglawyers jobs, let's, you know.
But these are serious issues,you know, and we get the value
of your privacy.
And so there's some ways wewant to go through it here on
(06:15):
some ideas that we can help youwith your entities as you're
setting them up or as you wantto make changes to this and be a
little more private.
And you're going to see thedifferent levels, to the extent
you want to go, because there'ssome services and costs you
might incur to get this.
But there's also someweaknesses we want to identify
of some things that we thinkpeople do that don't work.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I like that and I'm going to pose these two
questions or issues right out ofthe gate and then, like I said,
we're going to unpack this asmuch as possible for you.
The first thing is think of doI want my name out there?
Is this about me and mypersonal address as a
perspective?
And then are there assets thatI'm trying to hide.
(06:54):
Hiding an asset is almosteasier than hiding you.
That would.
I think is a general point, andso keep that in mind.
And there's some assets you'relike I don't care if people know
about this, but there's otherones that you really want to
keep off a public record, offthe web and this and that.
The second point and I'm goingto say it another way that Matt
just did is you've got to decidehow far do I want to go with
(07:19):
this?
And it's going to be differentfor each person, and the further
you go into privacy, the moreexpensive.
It's going to be different foreach person, and the further you
go into privacy, the moreexpensive it's going to be and
the more work it's going to be.
And that doesn't mean it's bad.
Some people they geek out onthis.
They're like I love beingprivate, it's almost an
addiction and they just they'regoing to go to the nth degree to
make sure that they're off thegrid.
That's cool.
(07:40):
Well, there's some costs andsome headaches with that.
I also think on the otherconsumer there's a lot of easy
stuff, low hanging fruit you canjust do.
That's just smart.
You know that.
You're just not everywhere, youdon't need to be everywhere,
and you can be smart about it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah.
So let's dig into this.
Maybe when you're setting up anentity and talk about some of
the areas of there's informationthat's going to go on this
thing to the state that'spublicly available and that's
going to be who owns this is onething, or who manages it, and
let's just talk about personfirst.
We can talk about addresssecond.
So one thing out of the gate wealways do manager managed LLCs.
(08:20):
That's like table stakes guys.
Do not do member managed LLCs.
Member means owner in an LLC.
When you say I'm going to do amember-managed LLC and I'm the
member, okay, genius, everyoneknows you own it now.
Yeah, but if you domanager-managed, you could be
the manager, but that doesn'tnecessarily mean you're the
member.
So even if you're that's thefirst thing even if you're in a
(08:41):
state where you're just doingmanager managing, you're putting
your name on that as themanager, which most states
you're going to have to.
We're going to come to someoptions here, um, where you
could even skip that and get alittle more private.
Um, but let's at least domanager man.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So it's not clear who owned, yeah and some of you may
already be going.
Oh my gosh, I have a membermanaged llc.
Okay, right out of gate you'refrustrated.
It's not hard to clean up someof these things.
Sometimes in a state we canjust do articles of amendment,
but that also leaves a papertrail For some of you.
If privacy is very importantand you've got a member managed
(09:16):
LLC, we just got to kill it.
Let's come up with a new name.
Let's start fresh.
Sometimes you just can't polisha turd.
I heard that once from a man.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's one of my favorite sayings.
What does that mean?
That means start over.
Okay, the history on thatthing's already out there.
Let's get rid of it and startfresh.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And this doesn't mean just going onto a website,
click, click, click and doing ityourself again.
The reason you're probably in amess is because you didn't do
it yourself the first time.
So if you privacy is an issue,it is definitely not a DIY type
of process.
You want to get a littlesupport here, some research and
have a lawyer help you throughit?
Okay, so I like what you said,matt.
First, if I'm going to try tokeep my name out of the public,
(09:58):
or I don't want my name attachedwith this address or this asset
, or I don't want my nameassociated with this business,
that's, I'm going to say out ofthe gate, probably the hardest.
Yeah, we can.
We have a privacy addressservice.
We'll talk about that later.
We also have some good privacyaddress techniques, but in a lot
(10:20):
of States there has to be aperson listed as the manager or
an entity.
Well, that entity is going tohave a trail too.
So if you're going to set up anentity in another state to come
be the manager of an entity inthis state, people are going to
go oh, I'm going to go look upthat entity and there's a trail.
Now you can.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
There's a strategy there.
There's a strategy.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But again, if you don't know some of those
techniques, you might end upspending more money than you
need to as well, but the personis a little more challenging.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, let me give you an example.
Let's say that you've probablyheard oh use a Wyoming LLC.
We like Wyoming.
Actually, there's some truth tothat.
There's some overselling to it.
One of the things that's niceabout Wyoming is you don't have
to list the name of the manageror the name of the member, so
you can file that LLC, we cansign as authorized signer to get
it set up as your law firm andyou're good, you have this LLC.
(11:14):
There's no public disclosure ofwho's the manager or who's the
member.
Well, that's great if you'redoing business in Wyoming, or
maybe this is just an investmentholding asset.
But let's say you're, you wantto go.
Let's say that you own anapartment building in Arizona
and I'll even give an example ofa client in Arizona that bought
a property.
He's a high net worth personand he bought a well-known
(11:36):
property here in Arizona and hedid not want to let people know.
It's funny, he was telling methis story just a few months ago
and he was.
He loved this strategy becausehe didn't want anyone to know
that he bought it.
So what he did is he did aWyoming LLC and this is what
we've talked about the strategy.
For a while I've been playingwith many clients and that
Wyoming LLC owned the ArizonaLLC.
(11:59):
Arizona is a weird state whereyou must disclose the member.
Even if you do managers, youhave to list anyone that owns
20% or more.
Well, who did he disclose asthe member?
Xyz Industries in Wyoming.
You don't have to list who theunderlying owners of that are
and then who's the manager?
That same Wyoming entity.
And so by that he had thatArizona LLC that owned the
(12:20):
Arizona property.
But when you looked at thestate at Arizona, which is
typically a state where you gotto list who the manager is and
you got to list who the memberis, well, this is Wyoming LLC
that when you do go back, asMark was talking about earlier,
and a lot of people go back thenext step to that other state,
wyoming, is the one wherethey're going to get.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They're going to get like shut down, yeah, shut down,
it's nothing over there andthere are six states that offer
well, I'm going to say six to 11states that offer variations of
this strategy Ohio and a fewothers, new Mexico, mexico but
but again, it's such a tailoredprocess we want to be careful
(12:57):
saying, well, just go here,cause then if you go there and
do it and it fails, we don'twant to be on the hook with you
here in this, in this scenario.
So this is where we need you toget some support.
But anyway, the point is thereare options and in that
situation that guy had to set uptwo LLCs, so it cost him more.
(13:17):
He had to consult with a lawyer.
They helped me do this.
Right Now I want to throw thisout to you.
Let's get it on the table.
When your name is out there asthe manager, there's another key
name that's going to be inevery entity.
It's called the registeredagent.
The registered agent is thisother person that's going to
accept service if the courts orthe government needs to find out
(13:38):
or notify or get a hold of theowner of this company or some
plaintiff's lawyer suing you.
Yeah, someone pissed off, allright.
So the registered agent is kindof that lightning rod.
They're the ones that get themail, get the whatever and then
let the owner know.
Now there is a lot of latitudethere.
The state legislatures haverecognized that there needs to
(14:01):
be some privacy with this issue.
We don't want people showing upthe doorstep of your private
residence if you want thatprotection.
So registered agent issomething you rarely, rarely
ever want to do yourself.
If you are the registered agentfor your current entity and
your home address is out there,immediately change that.
Give us a call,mainstreetbusinessservicescom
(14:22):
Our link's down below.
We do it extremely affordable125 bucks.
We'll be your registered agentin any state in the country and
we'll make sure that yourpersonal address and your name
is off of that piece.
Yeah, then you can have aconsult and go.
Maybe I don't want my name asmanager too.
Let me meet with a lawyer andsee what my options are there,
(14:43):
but at least don't screw up theregistered agent.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah Cause, on that registered agent, not only is
that the address that has to belisted, it's also the person at
that address.
And so a lot of people put,well, I won't put my home
address there, I'll put mybusiness address.
But then you're listingyourself too, and maybe this is,
you know, your investmententities and stuff.
And let's go back to just thecommon one, the landlord thing.
Right, do you really want yourtenant coming to your office or
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your place of work or your hometo serve this lawsuit on you?
Do you want your kid answeringthe door getting that lawsuit
served on your spouse?
That doesn't know how importantor critical this thing is.
So take the registered agentseriously.
It's one of those things.
We are receiving these forclients.
Stuff inevitably happens whereyou might get served something
or a lawsuit, and we're, ofcourse, communicating that to
(15:27):
you and getting it to youquickly with our secure systems
and how we get that out to you.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So yeah, and some of you may think, oh, I'll use a PO
box.
The PO box is not allowed forthe registered agent either, so
now I know it's way tooexpensive to.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh yeah, what's the average?
Average PO box I was justlooking this up for a typical
suburban or big city is $50 to$100 a month.
Now it can go down to as littleas $20 in certain rural areas
where they don't have enoughmail distribution.
So it's a little discounted.
But the typical city, if you'reliving in a city or a suburban
(16:02):
area it's $50 to $100 a monthand you've got to physically go
there Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You've got to pick up the damn mail how many times a
week?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Talk about adding more miles and you can't even
use it for registered agent, butmaybe you think I'll use it for
the company address which we'lltalk about next.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, so we've kind of turned the corner.
So again, a big conversation,lots of reading material out
there, articles, and in aconsultation you'll unpack it
based on your situation.
But the first issue is when youset up an entity for
operational business purposes orto hold an asset you're trying
to hide, you've got to ask thatfirst question do I want my name
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on this?
And I'll tell you generallyyou're going to be serving as
the manager of the entity.
Unless you want to pay for anextra layer to kind of hide your
name as a manager.
You should never do membermanaged, and then that's going
to turn the corner.
Your next decision will beregistered agent, and definitely
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don't do that.
125 bucks a year solves thatproblem and you can't use a PO
box either.
So I'm going to say what youjust brought up, and the next
question they're going to askyou is what is the company
address?
So let me and I'm going to sayit this way In every state where
you set up an LLC orcorporation, there's two
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addresses who's the registeredagent and their address and
what's the company's addresswhich is typically going to be
your manager.
What's the company address andthe address of your manager?
Company address, registeredagent address.
Now, as for the company address, you can use a PO Box in 44
(17:43):
states.
44 states will let you use a POBox and they'll let you set up
that PO box in any freakingstate.
So if I'm going to go out inArizona and set up an entity, I
can say, oh, my address for thiscompany is in Nebraska and it's
a PO box.
Not a big deal because yourregistered agent has to be in
(18:03):
Arizona.
We already crossed that off thelist.
But the company address can bea PO box anywhere in the country
for the company or the managerin 44 states.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, but again the PO box might be expensive.
You're just saying it could beany address, even as simple as a
PO box Now, of course we're notgoing to use your home address,
right as simple as a, as a PObox Now, of course we're not
want to use your home addressright.
So one thing we do what we dowith a lot of clients because we
(18:36):
just had a lot of clientsasking for this and they were
complaining about how much a PObox costs and they're on the
road.
And they're on the road or theyjust want to privacy.
I mean, if they're not on theroad, you know, they just want a
simple, affordable solution.
So we created a whole privacyaddress service where our law
firm and our mainstream businessservices address in our Utah
office.
They're in the same building inthis, different suites, but is
is used and so no one knows it'syou, that's, it's not your home
(18:58):
address.
We will receive your mail, wethrow out the junk mail, we scan
into a virtual mailbox that youcan go in and read your mail,
and so that's been very popularfor a lot of our clients from a
privacy standpoint, also peoplewho are on the road, as you said
.
It's convenient, it's all inthere, and so now most of those
clients also, we are theirregistered agent.
(19:20):
I should say all typically inthat privacy address it would
make no sense to list us as thecompany address and not do the
registered agent.
So that's a good option Ifyou're like all right, I don't
want my address anywhere, Idon't?
You guys are registered agent.
I don't want to receive legalnotices.
I'm okay having my name out asmanager.
Yeah, and that's a separateissue because we can still fix
(19:42):
that, maybe with the Wyoming LLC.
That's the manager of theentity.
If it's a state where themanager has to be disclosed,
there's a couple options there.
But again that's going to be awhole other entity cost versus
the $125 for a registered agentNot a lot Versus a few hundred
bucks for the mail serviceprivacy address.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now, before we talk about the six states and we'll
list them here for you thatdon't allow for even us to be
your company address, because ithas to be an address in that
state and a street address.
Yes, let me repeat that thereare six states, irregardless of
registered agent said, we want acompany address for your damn
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company that you set up in ourstate with a street address.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And it's got to be in our state period.
Might as well tell you nowthose six states California, oh,
that one Shocker, there's only40 million people there, that
won't affect anyone.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Nebraska, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Kentucky oh,
Kentucky, come on, I know I lovejustified Okay, Maryland.
So California, Nebraska,Louisiana, Massachusetts,
Kentucky and Maryland those sixstates.
You've got an extra hurdle Now.
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You've got to have a streetaddress and JJ Luna calls this a
ghost address.
So it is a street address andthey're going to provide a
service for you, but it's goingto be an extra cost if you're
not going to disclose some sortof street address.
Maybe it is a business address,maybe a relationship you've set
up that can service that streetaddress.
Maybe it is a business address,maybe a relationship you've set
(21:24):
up that can serve as thatbusiness address.
Now we can serve that role inCalifornia.
We do have an office inCalifornia so we can play that
role for those clients that needthat.
But you're on your own in thoseother five states.
Regrettably, we don't have anoffice in Kentucky.
Yeah, so probably not Kind of aseparate issue, yeah, so I want
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to make a any thoughts on thatbefore I make a point.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah.
So just keep in mind,especially in those states
you're going to need to be,particularly if, like, you're
the real estate investor.
You know what I mean.
I mean you're going to have achallenge on solving for that in
those States, and so that'swhere this service can really
come in handy.
And um, and what I'll say onprivacy in general I just want
(22:12):
to kind of come back to this is,um, it's just interesting the
different clients I've talked toover the years.
Privacy is becoming more andmore important.
You know, I remember early on Ihad a Grammy award winning
artist that I talked to.
They set up 30 plus entitiesnot Drake, but a better one, one
that was better at their taxlegal planning because they came
(22:32):
to us and they were veryconcerned about their name and
address being on this.
But just even a few months ago,I remember talking to a client,
somewhat of a family friend Iwas working with, that had like
a stalker and she was verynervous about her name and
address being out there.
She didn't have a separateoffice or anything, and so we've
(22:55):
all got these different anglesin terms of privacy and why it
matters to us.
But I think the more and morewealth you start building, the
more and more privacy becomesimportant to you and sometimes
it's hard to see and sometimesyou got to kind of foresee this
and plan 10 years in advance,because if you've built all this
wealth and you look back andthen you're like, well, how do I
stay private?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, you've got this trail going back, sadly, so
sometimes you got to kind ofplan in advance of it.
I hate to say it.
Yeah and I.
We could go on and on.
Here I've got story after storyof tenants just showing up at
someone's doorstep, yeah, uh myfamily out.
You didn't pay your rent, yeahand if you have a family with
children and you're doingbusiness, um, that fateful day
(23:36):
could come where there'sdisgruntled uh, employee, vendor
or tenant or someone that youraddress is out there everywhere.
So there are again steps youcan start taking to rip that out
of public purview.
Now I wanted to make one othermajor point I think and then
really we've covered quite a bithere is remember there's a
(23:57):
difference between privacy andasset protection.
This is a really interestingconcept but I want you to adopt.
Just because you're privatedoesn't mean your assets are
protected, because once theyfind you, you're exposed and
then protection can be very,very important.
But if your name's everywhere,man, your protection is going to
(24:17):
take a beating.
So think of it like acamouflage jacket with a
bulletproof vest.
Now, if someone's got a strongenough telescope and they're
smart enough and you've been abad guy, they're going to find
you and that bulletproof vestmay not do the trick.
But for 99% of us, if we usecareful judgment, we're a good
(24:40):
business owner, we've got strongethics and we're out there and
we put on that camouflage jacketand we do have a bulletproof
vest.
You know the scam artists outthere, the people that have bad
motives.
Maybe you make a small mistakehere and there.
There's going to be a layer ofprivacy and protection that's
going to keep away a lot ofproblems in your life and it
(25:02):
doesn't have to cost a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, and of course, the camouflage is the privacy.
Yes, the bulletproof vest isthe asset protection.
I just want to make sure youpicked up on the analogy there
and it's not an either or welike both.
Some clients are moreinterested in one versus the
other because of their specificsituation, but we think a
well-tailored plan on the legalside captures both.
(25:25):
We're addressing both.
We're going through both inyour situation and that's what
our attorneys do at KKO Sawyerson the tax and legal side, and
we got the different services Ifyou need them at Mainstream
Business Services where we canhelp take care of this stuff,
for you be a resource so you canincrease your privacy and your
asset protection.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, resource, so you can increase your privacy
and your asset protection.
Yeah, now you want to go on protip, let's go next level.
Start to overlay your privacywith your asset protection, with
your tax, with your legacy plan.
Wow, okay, now I'm bringingeverything to bear.
And when you're organized andyou've got these proper plans in
place, isn't it funny how thedivine kind of says, oh, you're
organized and you've got theseproper plans in place.
Isn't it funny how the divinekind of says, oh, you're ready
to receive, things start tohappen in your life.
Because when you're a trainwreck, things just don't click
(26:10):
as well, you're just not assuccessful.
But when you've got these plansin place and you're thinking
ahead, it's funny how thingsjust start to work better for
you.
They really do yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's the universe.
Don't pass it back to me.
That was great.
We should just close on that.
That was the, that was the like, the close, that was the, that
was the hit.
We're ending on that.
Thanks for having us.
We'll be back next time.
Another amazing episode of theMain Street Business Podcast.
We'll see you then.
Privacy is becoming more and more important.
I think the more and morewealth you start building, the
more and more privacy becomesimportant to you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We could go on and on here.
I've got story after story oftenants just showing up at
someone's doorstep.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You kicked my family out.
You didn't pay your rent.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Think of it like a camouflage jacket with a
bulletproof vest.
If someone's got a strongenough telescope and they're
smart enough and you've been abad guy, they're gonna find you,
and that bulletproof vest maynot do the trick, but for 99% of
us, there's gonna be a layer ofprivacy and protection that's
gonna keep away a lot ofproblems in your life and it
(00:35):
doesn't have to cost a lot.
Welcome everybody to anotherepisode of the Main Street
Business Podcast.
Excited to be here with youtoday.
My name is Mark Kohler, herewith the illustrious Matt
Sorenson.
We're here to talk aboutprivacy.
We want to keep your lifeprivate and maybe your asset
private.
We've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, and your address private too in the
process, so people don't knowwhere you're at and where you
reside.
So let's dive into that.
I want to give one example outof the gate of someone who
jacked it up.
This is Drake.
You might know him as justDrake, but his name is the
singer.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, the yes, he's probably does he need to be
introduced?
He's not in the country genre,or I'd probably know him better.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, okay, I like how you're all country now, so
like okay.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Rock and roll.
Okay, is he rock and roll?
You're just not Drake.
Is it smooth jazz?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, oh, okay, okay, Everyone else knows who Drake is
, okay, but his real name isAubrey Audrey.
I don't know, I just know himas Drake.
It is Aubrey Drake.
(01:52):
And how do I know this?
Because I looked up his LLC inCalifornia called Silence Policy
LLC.
What does Drake use this LLCfor?
Oh, this is the LLC that's onthe other name, on the other end
of non-disclosure agreementsand agreements he has with
certain women and all theselawsuits he's had.
Would have probably been smartto not name your LLC silence
policy LLC, and if you did,maybe don't put your name on it
when you file it with the state.
If you're a big celebrity, itkind of seems like a snafu and
(02:14):
whoever lawyer did that isprobably fired.
Anyways, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, privacy is getting more and more important
in this day and age.
Identity theft Everything seemsto be public.
Age identity theft Everythingseems to be public.
The, of course, onset ofinternet years ago, and now we
have AI.
It is very difficult to beprivate and it almost takes a
full-time job, and so we'regoing to talk about that today
(02:39):
some techniques, some things youcan do, some things that just
you might as well just accept.
It's a way of life, dependingon what your situation is.
But I want to set us up firstfor the kind of.
The first conversation point isthere's trying to keep your
name and address private, ormaybe trying to keep an asset
private, like I don't wantanybody to know about this
(03:01):
investment or this property.
Don't want anybody to knowabout this investment or this
property.
It could be where you live, soyour name may be there, but can
people find you?
Or you may not want people tofind what you own, and so
there's two differentperspectives how?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
do you?
Yeah, and I think another wayto think about it, particularly
for our business owner clients,is you might be the owner of
Vandelay Industries and yourname's Art Vandelay and everyone
knows that you own it and yourname's on the website, and you
go out and say, hey, I'm ArtVandelay at Vandelay Industries,
right and so, and that's cool.
We're not talking about thatentity Now.
I might not want your personaladdress on that entity that's
(03:36):
another issue.
But you might have otherentities that and your Art
Vandelay of investment assetsthat you own.
Maybe it's a rental propertyand you don't need the tenants
knowing that you own this, whoyou are and maybe even where you
live.
We'll get to the address here.
Secondly, so you might havemultiple entities.
It's not critical for all ofyour entities.
Your address is certainlycritical, but the privacy aspect
(03:58):
of that entity and who owns itis more important for certain
assets or entities than others.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, and some of you may have more questions as we
continue and this is a greatpoint I'll say now to have a
conversation with one of our taxlawyers.
They can do kind of a privacy,asset protection comprehensive
consultation Literally, that'swhat it's called on our website.
Like we do that so often wherepeople are like, look at my
(04:24):
structure, where are the holes?
And then you can put a plan into affect where you want to be
on that continuum.
And another thing I'd recommendis great research, and there's
a lot of books out there.
Jj Luna was probably theforerunner of privacy, writing
the book how to Be Invisible.
I think it's in its third orfourth edition.
We've interviewed him here onour podcast a fascinating man
(04:47):
helping people disappear whenneeded.
I mean, he talks about examplesof judges, criminal prosecutors
, where they don't need to bediscovered and they're in the
public limelight.
And he's helped famous peopleand people that stock they're
being stocked people that were awitness and see witness
(05:11):
protection program with the fedsis one thing.
If you don't get that, you'reon your own.
And so I'm just going to say doyour research.
And the last point I want tomake is there are different
levels.
Yeah, for some of you, you maysay, well, I just don't want my
address out.
There's different levels, yeahyou.
For some of you, you may say,well, I just don't want my
address out there, buteverything else I don't know.
If I want to go to that level,I'm not sure.
Do I want an alien?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
having an alias is not illegal, and you're not
trying to hide from the irseither, you know yeah, and
there's definitely differentlevels of this and it's going to
depend on the state you'reoperating into, on how much,
what extent you want to go here,how big of assets you have,
what is your privacy risks, andthen it's all tailored.
(05:54):
That's the thing.
That's tricky is there's notlike, oh, just do this and
you'll be private.
There's no easy button.
There's no easy button.
I mean, you know it's givinglawyers jobs, let's, you know.
But these are serious issues,you know, and we get the value
of your privacy.
And so there's some ways wewant to go through it here on
(06:15):
some ideas that we can help youwith your entities as you're
setting them up or as you wantto make changes to this and be a
little more private.
And you're going to see thedifferent levels, to the extent
you want to go, because there'ssome services and costs you
might incur to get this.
But there's also someweaknesses we want to identify
of some things that we thinkpeople do that don't work.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I like that and I'm going to pose these two
questions or issues right out ofthe gate and then, like I said,
we're going to unpack this asmuch as possible for you.
The first thing is think of doI want my name out there?
Is this about me and mypersonal address as a
perspective?
And then are there assets thatI'm trying to hide.
(06:54):
Hiding an asset is almosteasier than hiding you.
That would.
I think is a general point, andso keep that in mind.
And there's some assets you'relike I don't care if people know
about this, but there's otherones that you really want to
keep off a public record, offthe web and this and that.
The second point and I'm goingto say it another way that Matt
just did is you've got to decidehow far do I want to go with
(07:19):
this?
And it's going to be differentfor each person, and the further
you go into privacy, the moreexpensive.
It's going to be different foreach person, and the further you
go into privacy, the moreexpensive it's going to be and
the more work it's going to be.
And that doesn't mean it's bad.
Some people they geek out onthis.
They're like I love beingprivate, it's almost an
addiction and they just they'regoing to go to the nth degree to
make sure that they're off thegrid.
That's cool.
(07:40):
Well, there's some costs andsome headaches with that.
I also think on the otherconsumer there's a lot of easy
stuff, low hanging fruit you canjust do.
That's just smart.
You know that.
You're just not everywhere, youdon't need to be everywhere,
and you can be smart about it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah.
So let's dig into this.
Maybe when you're setting up anentity and talk about some of
the areas of there's informationthat's going to go on this
thing to the state that'spublicly available and that's
going to be who owns this is onething, or who manages it, and
let's just talk about personfirst.
We can talk about addresssecond.
So one thing out of the gate wealways do manager managed LLCs.
(08:20):
That's like table stakes guys.
Do not do member managed LLCs.
Member means owner in an LLC.
When you say I'm going to do amember-managed LLC and I'm the
member, okay, genius, everyoneknows you own it now.
Yeah, but if you domanager-managed, you could be
the manager, but that doesn'tnecessarily mean you're the
member.
So even if you're that's thefirst thing even if you're in a
(08:41):
state where you're just doingmanager managing, you're putting
your name on that as themanager, which most states
you're going to have to.
We're going to come to someoptions here, um, where you
could even skip that and get alittle more private.
Um, but let's at least domanager man.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So it's not clear who owned, yeah and some of you may
already be going.
Oh my gosh, I have a membermanaged llc.
Okay, right out of gate you'refrustrated.
It's not hard to clean up someof these things.
Sometimes in a state we canjust do articles of amendment,
but that also leaves a papertrail For some of you.
If privacy is very importantand you've got a member managed
(09:16):
LLC, we just got to kill it.
Let's come up with a new name.
Let's start fresh.
Sometimes you just can't polisha turd.
I heard that once from a man.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's one of my favorite sayings.
What does that mean?
That means start over.
Okay, the history on thatthing's already out there.
Let's get rid of it and startfresh.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And this doesn't mean just going onto a website,
click, click, click and doing ityourself again.
The reason you're probably in amess is because you didn't do
it yourself the first time.
So if you privacy is an issue,it is definitely not a DIY type
of process.
You want to get a littlesupport here, some research and
have a lawyer help you throughit?
Okay, so I like what you said,matt.
First, if I'm going to try tokeep my name out of the public,
(09:58):
or I don't want my name attachedwith this address or this asset
, or I don't want my nameassociated with this business,
that's, I'm going to say out ofthe gate, probably the hardest.
Yeah, we can.
We have a privacy addressservice.
We'll talk about that later.
We also have some good privacyaddress techniques, but in a lot
(10:20):
of States there has to be aperson listed as the manager or
an entity.
Well, that entity is going tohave a trail too.
So if you're going to set up anentity in another state to come
be the manager of an entity inthis state, people are going to
go oh, I'm going to go look upthat entity and there's a trail.
Now you can.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
There's a strategy there.
There's a strategy.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But again, if you don't know some of those
techniques, you might end upspending more money than you
need to as well, but the personis a little more challenging.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, let me give you an example.
Let's say that you've probablyheard oh use a Wyoming LLC.
We like Wyoming.
Actually, there's some truth tothat.
There's some overselling to it.
One of the things that's niceabout Wyoming is you don't have
to list the name of the manageror the name of the member, so
you can file that LLC, we cansign as authorized signer to get
it set up as your law firm andyou're good, you have this LLC.
(11:14):
There's no public disclosure ofwho's the manager or who's the
member.
Well, that's great if you'redoing business in Wyoming, or
maybe this is just an investmentholding asset.
But let's say you're, you wantto go.
Let's say that you own anapartment building in Arizona
and I'll even give an example ofa client in Arizona that bought
a property.
He's a high net worth personand he bought a well-known
(11:36):
property here in Arizona and hedid not want to let people know.
It's funny, he was telling methis story just a few months ago
and he was.
He loved this strategy becausehe didn't want anyone to know
that he bought it.
So what he did is he did aWyoming LLC and this is what
we've talked about the strategy.
For a while I've been playingwith many clients and that
Wyoming LLC owned the ArizonaLLC.
(11:59):
Arizona is a weird state whereyou must disclose the member.
Even if you do managers, youhave to list anyone that owns
20% or more.
Well, who did he disclose asthe member?
Xyz Industries in Wyoming.
You don't have to list who theunderlying owners of that are
and then who's the manager?
That same Wyoming entity.
And so by that he had thatArizona LLC that owned the
(12:20):
Arizona property.
But when you looked at thestate at Arizona, which is
typically a state where you gotto list who the manager is and
you got to list who the memberis, well, this is Wyoming LLC
that when you do go back, asMark was talking about earlier,
and a lot of people go back thenext step to that other state,
wyoming, is the one wherethey're going to get.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They're going to get like shut down, yeah, shut down,
it's nothing over there andthere are six states that offer
well, I'm going to say six to 11states that offer variations of
this strategy Ohio and a fewothers, new Mexico, mexico but
but again, it's such a tailoredprocess we want to be careful
(12:57):
saying, well, just go here,cause then if you go there and
do it and it fails, we don'twant to be on the hook with you
here in this, in this scenario.
So this is where we need you toget some support.
But anyway, the point is thereare options and in that
situation that guy had to set uptwo LLCs, so it cost him more.
(13:17):
He had to consult with a lawyer.
They helped me do this.
Right Now I want to throw thisout to you.
Let's get it on the table.
When your name is out there asthe manager, there's another key
name that's going to be inevery entity.
It's called the registeredagent.
The registered agent is thisother person that's going to
accept service if the courts orthe government needs to find out
(13:38):
or notify or get a hold of theowner of this company or some
plaintiff's lawyer suing you.
Yeah, someone pissed off, allright.
So the registered agent is kindof that lightning rod.
They're the ones that get themail, get the whatever and then
let the owner know.
Now there is a lot of latitudethere.
The state legislatures haverecognized that there needs to
(14:01):
be some privacy with this issue.
We don't want people showing upthe doorstep of your private
residence if you want thatprotection.
So registered agent issomething you rarely, rarely
ever want to do yourself.
If you are the registered agentfor your current entity and
your home address is out there,immediately change that.
Give us a call,mainstreetbusinessservicescom
(14:22):
Our link's down below.
We do it extremely affordable125 bucks.
We'll be your registered agentin any state in the country and
we'll make sure that yourpersonal address and your name
is off of that piece.
Yeah, then you can have aconsult and go.
Maybe I don't want my name asmanager too.
Let me meet with a lawyer andsee what my options are there,
(14:43):
but at least don't screw up theregistered agent.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah Cause, on that registered agent, not only is
that the address that has to belisted, it's also the person at
that address.
And so a lot of people put,well, I won't put my home
address there, I'll put mybusiness address.
But then you're listingyourself too, and maybe this is,
you know, your investmententities and stuff.
And let's go back to just thecommon one, the landlord thing.
Right, do you really want yourtenant coming to your office or
(15:06):
your place of work or your hometo serve this lawsuit on you?
Do you want your kid answeringthe door getting that lawsuit
served on your spouse?
That doesn't know how importantor critical this thing is.
So take the registered agentseriously.
It's one of those things.
We are receiving these forclients.
Stuff inevitably happens whereyou might get served something
or a lawsuit, and we're, ofcourse, communicating that to
(15:27):
you and getting it to youquickly with our secure systems
and how we get that out to you.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So yeah, and some of you may think, oh, I'll use a PO
box.
The PO box is not allowed forthe registered agent either, so
now I know it's way tooexpensive to.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh yeah, what's the average?
Average PO box I was justlooking this up for a typical
suburban or big city is $50 to$100 a month.
Now it can go down to as littleas $20 in certain rural areas
where they don't have enoughmail distribution.
So it's a little discounted.
But the typical city, if you'reliving in a city or a suburban
(16:02):
area it's $50 to $100 a monthand you've got to physically go
there Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You've got to pick up the damn mail how many times a
week?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Talk about adding more miles and you can't even
use it for registered agent, butmaybe you think I'll use it for
the company address which we'lltalk about next.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, so we've kind of turned the corner.
So again, a big conversation,lots of reading material out
there, articles, and in aconsultation you'll unpack it
based on your situation.
But the first issue is when youset up an entity for
operational business purposes orto hold an asset you're trying
to hide, you've got to ask thatfirst question do I want my name
(16:39):
on this?
And I'll tell you generallyyou're going to be serving as
the manager of the entity.
Unless you want to pay for anextra layer to kind of hide your
name as a manager.
You should never do membermanaged, and then that's going
to turn the corner.
Your next decision will beregistered agent, and definitely
(17:00):
don't do that.
125 bucks a year solves thatproblem and you can't use a PO
box either.
So I'm going to say what youjust brought up, and the next
question they're going to askyou is what is the company
address?
So let me and I'm going to sayit this way In every state where
you set up an LLC orcorporation, there's two
(17:21):
addresses who's the registeredagent and their address and
what's the company's addresswhich is typically going to be
your manager.
What's the company address andthe address of your manager?
Company address, registeredagent address.
Now, as for the company address, you can use a PO Box in 44
(17:43):
states.
44 states will let you use a POBox and they'll let you set up
that PO box in any freakingstate.
So if I'm going to go out inArizona and set up an entity, I
can say, oh, my address for thiscompany is in Nebraska and it's
a PO box.
Not a big deal because yourregistered agent has to be in
(18:03):
Arizona.
We already crossed that off thelist.
But the company address can bea PO box anywhere in the country
for the company or the managerin 44 states.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, but again the PO box might be expensive.
You're just saying it could beany address, even as simple as a
PO box Now, of course we're notgoing to use your home address,
right as simple as a, as a PObox Now, of course we're not
want to use your home addressright.
So one thing we do what we dowith a lot of clients because we
(18:36):
just had a lot of clientsasking for this and they were
complaining about how much a PObox costs and they're on the
road.
And they're on the road or theyjust want to privacy.
I mean, if they're not on theroad, you know, they just want a
simple, affordable solution.
So we created a whole privacyaddress service where our law
firm and our mainstream businessservices address in our Utah
office.
They're in the same building inthis, different suites, but is
is used and so no one knows it'syou, that's, it's not your home
(18:58):
address.
We will receive your mail, wethrow out the junk mail, we scan
into a virtual mailbox that youcan go in and read your mail,
and so that's been very popularfor a lot of our clients from a
privacy standpoint, also peoplewho are on the road, as you said
.
It's convenient, it's all inthere, and so now most of those
clients also, we are theirregistered agent.
(19:20):
I should say all typically inthat privacy address it would
make no sense to list us as thecompany address and not do the
registered agent.
So that's a good option Ifyou're like all right, I don't
want my address anywhere, Idon't?
You guys are registered agent.
I don't want to receive legalnotices.
I'm okay having my name out asmanager.
Yeah, and that's a separateissue because we can still fix
(19:42):
that, maybe with the Wyoming LLC.
That's the manager of theentity.
If it's a state where themanager has to be disclosed,
there's a couple options there.
But again that's going to be awhole other entity cost versus
the $125 for a registered agentNot a lot Versus a few hundred
bucks for the mail serviceprivacy address.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now, before we talk about the six states and we'll
list them here for you thatdon't allow for even us to be
your company address, because ithas to be an address in that
state and a street address.
Yes, let me repeat that thereare six states, irregardless of
registered agent said, we want acompany address for your damn
(20:32):
company that you set up in ourstate with a street address.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And it's got to be in our state period.
Might as well tell you nowthose six states California, oh,
that one Shocker, there's only40 million people there, that
won't affect anyone.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Nebraska, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Kentucky oh,
Kentucky, come on, I know I lovejustified Okay, Maryland.
So California, Nebraska,Louisiana, Massachusetts,
Kentucky and Maryland those sixstates.
You've got an extra hurdle Now.
(21:03):
You've got to have a streetaddress and JJ Luna calls this a
ghost address.
So it is a street address andthey're going to provide a
service for you, but it's goingto be an extra cost if you're
not going to disclose some sortof street address.
Maybe it is a business address,maybe a relationship you've set
up that can service that streetaddress.
Maybe it is a business address,maybe a relationship you've set
(21:24):
up that can serve as thatbusiness address.
Now we can serve that role inCalifornia.
We do have an office inCalifornia so we can play that
role for those clients that needthat.
But you're on your own in thoseother five states.
Regrettably, we don't have anoffice in Kentucky.
Yeah, so probably not Kind of aseparate issue, yeah, so I want
(21:47):
to make a any thoughts on thatbefore I make a point.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah.
So just keep in mind,especially in those states
you're going to need to be,particularly if, like, you're
the real estate investor.
You know what I mean.
I mean you're going to have achallenge on solving for that in
those States, and so that'swhere this service can really
come in handy.
And um, and what I'll say onprivacy in general I just want
(22:12):
to kind of come back to this is,um, it's just interesting the
different clients I've talked toover the years.
Privacy is becoming more andmore important.
You know, I remember early on Ihad a Grammy award winning
artist that I talked to.
They set up 30 plus entitiesnot Drake, but a better one, one
that was better at their taxlegal planning because they came
(22:32):
to us and they were veryconcerned about their name and
address being on this.
But just even a few months ago,I remember talking to a client,
somewhat of a family friend Iwas working with, that had like
a stalker and she was verynervous about her name and
address being out there.
She didn't have a separateoffice or anything, and so we've
(22:55):
all got these different anglesin terms of privacy and why it
matters to us.
But I think the more and morewealth you start building, the
more and more privacy becomesimportant to you and sometimes
it's hard to see and sometimesyou got to kind of foresee this
and plan 10 years in advance,because if you've built all this
wealth and you look back andthen you're like, well, how do I
stay private?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, you've got this trail going back, sadly, so
sometimes you got to kind ofplan in advance of it.
I hate to say it.
Yeah and I.
We could go on and on.
Here I've got story after storyof tenants just showing up at
someone's doorstep, yeah, uh myfamily out.
You didn't pay your rent, yeahand if you have a family with
children and you're doingbusiness, um, that fateful day
(23:36):
could come where there'sdisgruntled uh, employee, vendor
or tenant or someone that youraddress is out there everywhere.
So there are again steps youcan start taking to rip that out
of public purview.
Now I wanted to make one othermajor point I think and then
really we've covered quite a bithere is remember there's a
(23:57):
difference between privacy andasset protection.
This is a really interestingconcept but I want you to adopt.
Just because you're privatedoesn't mean your assets are
protected, because once theyfind you, you're exposed and
then protection can be very,very important.
But if your name's everywhere,man, your protection is going to
(24:17):
take a beating.
So think of it like acamouflage jacket with a
bulletproof vest.
Now, if someone's got a strongenough telescope and they're
smart enough and you've been abad guy, they're going to find
you and that bulletproof vestmay not do the trick.
But for 99% of us, if we usecareful judgment, we're a good
(24:40):
business owner, we've got strongethics and we're out there and
we put on that camouflage jacketand we do have a bulletproof
vest.
You know the scam artists outthere, the people that have bad
motives.
Maybe you make a small mistakehere and there.
There's going to be a layer ofprivacy and protection that's
going to keep away a lot ofproblems in your life and it
(25:02):
doesn't have to cost a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, and of course, the camouflage is the privacy.
Yes, the bulletproof vest isthe asset protection.
I just want to make sure youpicked up on the analogy there
and it's not an either or welike both.
Some clients are moreinterested in one versus the
other because of their specificsituation, but we think a
well-tailored plan on the legalside captures both.
(25:25):
We're addressing both.
We're going through both inyour situation and that's what
our attorneys do at KKO Sawyerson the tax and legal side, and
we got the different services Ifyou need them at Mainstream
Business Services where we canhelp take care of this stuff,
for you be a resource so you canincrease your privacy and your
asset protection.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, resource, so you can increase your privacy
and your asset protection.
Yeah, now you want to go on protip, let's go next level.
Start to overlay your privacywith your asset protection, with
your tax, with your legacy plan.
Wow, okay, now I'm bringingeverything to bear.
And when you're organized andyou've got these proper plans in
place, isn't it funny how thedivine kind of says, oh, you're
organized and you've got theseproper plans in place.
Isn't it funny how the divinekind of says, oh, you're ready
to receive, things start tohappen in your life.
Because when you're a trainwreck, things just don't click
(26:10):
as well, you're just not assuccessful.
But when you've got these plansin place and you're thinking
ahead, it's funny how thingsjust start to work better for
you.
They really do yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's the universe.
Don't pass it back to me.
That was great.
We should just close on that.
That was the, that was the like, the close, that was the, that
was the hit.
We're ending on that.
Thanks for having us.
We'll be back next time.
Another amazing episode of theMain Street Business Podcast.
We'll see you then.
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