Episode 538: Bamboozled

In this episode, the Mullets return from hiatus with a super-sized, legendary episode where they recap trips and recent films before watching what they say and discussing Spike Lee’s habits, hankies and bad whites.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Arcade Audio. Hello and welcome to this week's

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episode. I'm Married with Movies.
I'm one of your hosts, Samantha Mullet.
See you next me on the couch is your other host, my beautiful
husband Chris Mullet are. We on a time crunch What is?
This there are times a child no.No, no keep.
This. Get it out.
Can't fuck up again. I so I tired.
I had class today like I have most weeks nowadays, and I have

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this really, really bad knack oflike certain sections of my
class that I particularly like to talk about, like stories I
like to tell or like when peopleget specifically engaged and I
get so fucking out of breath when I'm in the middle of like
doing my shit. It's.
Because we're fat. It's because we're fat.
That doesn't help. But also like, I think it's also
like that doesn't happen when we're on the podcast here

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because like I'm sitting, I'm comfortable.
There's not like a visual audience to like what I'm doing.
Just me. But like in many, honest to God,
like today I made a couple references to like, you know, my
past life as an improviser and acomedian and stuff because I
told a particularly bad joke in class that people were laughing
at and stuff. And I was like, and I was like,

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man, like if I were to like regularly perform like on a
stage again, like, would that bewhat I do?
It's just be like, would I be haha, Will Sasso fat guy on the
stage? I was like, man, that'd be so
weird that I don't know if I have that in my tool belt, but I
probably do. I'm sure you can make it work.
I'll figure it out, it is Thursday.

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It is. August yes, that just for that,
just for you and people that will not hear this 7th.
Yes. Perfect I cheated on the phone
1984 If you're new here, you're in for a banner episode.

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Let me tell you what. Here you are in for an.
You're in for a. Timer today.
And if you're new here and this is the movie that brought you to
us, good on ya. Slash slash maybe lose our
number. Slash maybe?
Huh. I don't know why but I wanted to
do my Great Khali impression which is not great to

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impersonate. A talent anymore?
No, not that there's there's a famous, there's several stories
about him and like his developmental territory or
people that are on quote UN quote Khali duty who are like
used to be like someone on a random basis.
That's just drive him around andtake care of him and he goes
yeah. He's a big.
Guy maybe cigarette, he always suggests things like maybe and

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then like even when he's preparing matches, like maybe no
bump tonight. Like that?
Every time I hear that I was like sick of the Great Khali.
So this is our first episode since July 23rd because we.
Oh, have we got a lot to tell you guys like.
We have so much to talk about, So what I honestly think the
best thing is for episode lengthis we are immediately going to

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record next week's episode afterthis episode.
Oh yeah. I mean.
This could be a good night y'all.
We're doing it. We're doing it for a reason.
So the last time we technically recorded was after we'd already
come back from Minnesota and doing the Mall of America.
Yeah. So thankfully we can cut off

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that portion of the story. If you want to know more about
it, go to last week's episode. Yeah, listen to our quick.
Change or two weeks ago? Yes, whatever.
We took off last week's episode that last week because I was out
of town for the full week teaching in my in my job and
Jillian was not with us, he was with the grandparents.

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We had a lot of stuff going on. So we will recap I guess to
start our different experiences.You had you had some family time
in Miami. Anything notable to talk about
there? You didn't see anything?
Yes I did. What did you see?
When I did, I watched the movie drop.

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I forgot about this. And I texted you to remind me,
but then I was like, you're not going to fucking remind me.
So I have some notes of the things that I've done so I could
talk about it. So watch the movie Drop.
With your. Parents with my parents, my
dad's really into horror movies.Good ones, bad ones, whatever
ones. He loves sci-fi, he loves
horror. My mom doesn't usually, but she

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wanted to watch it. You know what it?
Was. It was not bad.
I mean, it's the same. It's the same.
It's Christopher Landon who did,yes, the Happy Death Day movies,
right? Yeah.
I like I like him as a director and a.
Writer I I thought it was good. I enjoyed it.
I didn't fall asleep. That's always a positive.
Always a positive. I can't say the same thing about

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one of the movies I'm going to talk about, so there you go.
Great. But I mean it was, it was a good
time. I think I think you would like.
It I wanted to see it. It wasn't, I mean, it's not,
it's not fucking like the best movie I've ever seen, but it
was, it was a it was a fine watch.
It was. I thought it was well acted
awesome. It was good.
Cool. Anything else notable?

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While yeah yeah, I also binge watch the miniseries Chimp
Crazy. I'm sorry.
Chimp crazy. Go on.
It is bonkers. It's about these people who who
have chimps and they're crazy and they're crazy about the
chimps. And then in general, sure,
there's just this mini, mini series.

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It kind of touched on a lot of the, you know, like the stories
that we've heard of like the chimps, like killing people and
stuff like that, you know, like that actual horror movies are
based off of and stuff like those things happen in real
life. And it was just about like this
woman who fell off this chimp and.
Like she fuck it. No, she didn't fuck it.

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I don't know. They didn't go into that as a
documentary sequel. She said it was dead, but it
wasn't. She was hiding it.
It was like this whole thing andAlan Cumming was in it.
It was wild. Wait like like this was
documentary? It, yeah, it's a documentary by
oh, it was a documentary. He's in it as himself.
Yeah, he's in it as himself because he was.

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So this chimp was in a movie with him.
OK. OK, and it's about the chimp.
I don't need to know the chimp'sname.
Tonka, and he was. In Tonka trucks.
Yeah, like, but Tonka was a chimp, and so Alan Cumming was
in a movie with him, and then hebecame a spokesperson for PETA
and stuff like that. And that's kind of like OK, the

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direction this goes in. Where is this?
This is on Netflix. Where was it?
It was on Max HBO Max. OK.
And this is like a, this is likea thing that people are
watching. Oh yeah, it's the thing people
are watching. It's the first I It's very rare
that you watch something. It was.
I haven't. It was wild.
It was wild. And it's and it's all true.

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And I was like, I remember like this shit in the news.
Yeah, it's, it's, it was, it wassomething.
I might have to watch. This like I I'd watch it again
with you. I would watch it again with you
just so I could see your reaction to some of it.
Looks pretty interesting. So it it it was, it was pretty
interesting, all right, for sure.
So. So binge watch that.

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You watch Chimp Crazy and drop. Yeah.
This is what happens when we're apart.
Yeah, I talk. All right, So that's what you
did in Miami and when you were on your own?
When I was. I was when I was.
Yeah, yeah. So my travels.
I was in North Carolina for kindof a bachelors weekend with

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seven of my best friends from high school and college.
We went and saw Weird Al performin what was a very, very fun
concert. He played a lot more deep cuts
than I like was anticipating, but it was still a a great
experience. It was definitely like kind of a
bucket list type thing for the man.
I I think he's like over 60 at this point and doesn't seem like

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at all he he was fucking giving it his all.
So we did that. We played a lot of poker.
We rented an indoor basketball facility and I probably played
like the best basketball of my life or but the best basketball
I've played since I was in college, let's put it that way.
And I'm still feeling the effects of it, let's put it that

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way. We did an old school Halo land
party with X boxes. It was an amazing weekend.
We had a great time and then like I said, I went and I came
back and had all of a sudden onehell of a time getting back to
our perspective homes because the American Airline system

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right now is a fucking shit show.
Sorry to our our family member who works in the American
Airline system, but I immediately had to go on the
road for work to a town that doesn't really have much of
anything to do. So I went to the theater
aplenty. I went to four movies in four
days at the same theater, which I was not recognized once by

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the, the same people that I was seeing.
This I think I've talked about in the, in the podcast, like
when I do this for work, I like to go and like schmooze the
employees a little bit because the American movie theater is
dying and it's such an importantpart of our lives.
I, I worked in a movie theater for six years.

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You worked in a movie theater for 2, I think almost two years.
Two or three. Years.
Yeah. And I like to go and drink at
the bar, give them big tips, talk about my time there, learn
about what's how it is now. And like, these people could not
have fucking cared less. They also, I went very late at
night each. I think the earliest movie I saw

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was like 839 o'clock. One of the movies I saw was 10.
It's in a dilapidated mall. Like literally it's one of those
like dead malls. There's like 4 stores open and
then there's 8 Plex movie theater.
So it wasn't the best environment.
So I saw 4 movies and then we also came back and saw a movie
with Jillian and my mom last weekend.
So I'll tackle what's the way I want to do this.

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I was going to rank them in order of how I saw them or rank
them in the order I feel like I enjoyed them in.
So let's start with the bottom. Well, the the the the worst
movie. I feel like I saw the four and
then the third the next week, you guys will get to hear what
the the top 2 movies I feel likeI saw were.
Oh. Yes, you better tune back.

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In hey, fuck you people might fucking care, especially because
these aren't like rinky dink little fucking movies.
This isn't drop dropping chip crazy chip crazy.
That's. About chimp crazy.
Sorry, how dare I? So the worst movie of the four
that I saw on my work travels was Fantastic Four First Steps.
That was the aforementioned movie that I actually fell

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asleep in. We've been kind of out of the
MCU world for a little while. I can't remember the last MCU
movie we probably saw. We didn't see Captain America.
We Deadpool, Wolverine, I guess last year.
I just, I wanted to like it. I like the aesthetic.
I like the retro, otherworldly, you know, kind of vibe.

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Could not have cared less about anything that was going on.
I think everybody was woefully miscast and I thought that's a
cast full of fucking people thatI really enjoy watching.
I think Pedro Pascallo's great. The only pieces of pieces of
woman that I liked was Vanessa Kirby, like Yvonne Moss, Barack
from The Bear, of course, Joseph, Joseph Quinn.

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And like everyone just didn't seem like like into it and like
that they were their characters.I thought the story was
incredibly boring. It overused one thing a whole
hell of a lot and did not get meenergized and excited for what's
going to come from it. Great.
It just, it just felt like it. It felt like safe and lame.

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Honestly. That sucks.
So that was my least favorite movie.
The four that I saw that week #3number we should try to remember
all the movies that I saw. OK #3 I would probably say
together was #3 that is the which which I still enjoyed.
So Fantastic Four was the only movie that I did not actually

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like. Of the four movies I saw that
week Together would be #3 that'sthe body horror movie with Dave
Franco and Alison Bree that got a lot of buzz and some fantastic
reviews. It is.
I'm really starting to dig like the body horror subgenre.
For whatever reason, I'm. So glad, so glad.
Probably my least favorite out of everything.

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And it's quirky. I wish it had This is not to
keep like defaming the actors and movies.
I wish it had a better. I don't think Dave Franco is
very good in the movie. It's just not what I'm used to
like Dave Franco in the studio as that Dave Franco hilarious in
his lane in this. There's some moments that he

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just is unable to carry. But I felt that the story was
very, very engaging. I like some of the twists and
turns that the movie takes. I don't necessarily think that
it was like scary per SE, but itdefinitely had this really like
creepy, ominous vibe to it. That's I ultimately dug good,

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good, good script, keen directing.
The effects were very, very good.
There was also like one. It didn't have as much fun as I
wanted it to have. Like had it embraced kind of
like some of the more inherentlywild pieces to the movie, I
think it would have been a much better time.

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It I like some of the quieter character driven stuff because
ultimately it's about a relationship that is like
basically hanging on by a fucking thread.
And I think they those moments were well done, but then the way
they juxtapose, juxtapose everything else was going on,
you know, made it a little bit weaker.
Also, the very, very last thing in the movie pissed me off so

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left me with not the best taste of my mouth, but not to.
And that's not a joke about the fucking poster of the movie,
which is like literally their lips like tied together.
But still, I would I would encourage people to go see it.
We also the two of us are going to see movies tomorrow.
So people have to wait two weeksfor our thoughts on those.

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Another movie that we watched. We'll talk about next week.
If we can announce a bit of a programming change for the
podcast is we have a very, very busy schedule now and it's very
hard for us to watch these movies that we nominate or
randomly draw or try to wrap up on a regular basis on top of

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keeping up with things that are streaming.
So we are not going to start instituting streaming movies.
And even though I still want to see heads of state, which we
have to see at some point soon, what we are going to do to test
the waters of this are any straight to streaming legacy
sequels from a pick em off perspective?

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Was it pick em up or wrap it up?Wrap it up Pick em off is the
nominated. Wrap it up.
Is is wrapping up the. From our Wrap It Up series, you
know our rules on the podcast that if we purchase a movie that
is the sequel or in the universeof a film franchise or a movie

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that we've already seen, we automatically put it in the
queue to remain up on it. We felt it was unfair for those
movies to never get a chance on this podcast, be rated,
nominated, etcetera. So we're going to start throwing
those out as needed. If we have a, if we have a rough
slate of movies. Also, it's a kind of thing where
like, you could watch it while I'm on the road and vice versa,

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you know, we don't have to be together to watch these things.
Yeah, but we like being together.
We do. It also was an excuse for us to
watch. Make sure I'm awake.
Great question. It's also an excuse for us to
watch Happy Gilmore 2, which is what we did yesterday.
Are you seriously going to fucking say that and immediately
start pretending to fall asleep?I wasn't pretending.
Uh huh. Come on, sit up.
I was kidding. I am sitting up.

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Barely. I'm sitting up.
I just almost shit in my God damn pants.
It has nothing. To do with the engage in a.
Conversation. Nothing to do with.
This is the longest we talked toone another the entire week.
Is it really that that's? Been wonderful.
Fuck you, it was really just a big old excuse for us to watch
Happy Gilmore too. Really.

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That's all it was. Yeah, Mullet all week was like,
well, if we do it like this, oh,maybe like you were just trying
to come up with the right angle because you just wanted to watch
it. And I was like, we could just
watch it, We don't have to record, he said.
No, we're going to make the count.
Because what I meant. What?

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Aren't I engaging with you now? No, you're doing.
You're doing that fucking dumb ass noise.
That's how you sound. No, it is.
These episodes must be shorter now.
Now it's been 20 minutes of bullshit.
I'm going to be on the road the week after next as well.
So this way it gives us a littlebit of a buffer.
The people, the people get content.

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I'm not my fucking choice. It's the job that I have.
So we're going to start sprinkling those out as they
come up. I think we've only identified 3
thus far. Happy Gilmore 2 is the first
one, and we're going to, we're ideally going to record it after
this episode, but the way Samantha's looking, probably
not. So other ones we have.

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We'll do Hocus Pocus 2 in October for Halloween season,
and then we'll do the other one in September, which will people
try to figure out what it is. And then I'll discuss the other
movies that we watch on next week's episode.
You remember. Perfect.
Yeah, No, I do, I remembered. But in between all that, we
watched the movie that I nominated.

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Can we just go back to talking about?
Anything else? No, we got to talk about this.
So we watched. I watched.
This was one of the 1st movies, maybe the first movie I watched
in film school. I thought you were going to say.
This is like the first movie that you've ever watched.
And I was about I was about to lose my This is my mom's
favorite. Movie we watched one of these.

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Things is not like we watched. Bamboozled, which I owned on DVD
and I don't think I ever watchedthe DVD.
I literally saw the movie in film school on my intro to film
analysis class. Love the movie was one of the I
think might be the one of the first things I ever bought off
of Amazon in 2005, then proceeded to never watch the DVD

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bought the the criterion and then finally watch the criterion
for the podcast. So I will read the package now
do I? Do I got to read the got to read
all this? Yes, that's.
What you made me do. Let me see.
Come here. I can't see too far away.
Yeah, OK. I am reading the package.
Just make sure that it's clear. What does that even mean?

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Why'd you have to do it like that?
Bamboozle A. Spectacular film by Mr. Spike
Lee starring the great Negro actors Damon wayans, savion
Glover, Jada Pinkett Smith, Tommy Davidson, Michael
rapaport. Great joke on the box right
away. The Criterion Collection, a
continuing series of important classic and contemporary films,
presents Bamboozled. With this blisteringly funny,

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unapologetically confrontationalsatire writer, director Spike
Lee examined the past, present, and future of racism in American
popular culture, issuing A daring provocation to creators
and consumers alike. What?
That was just a. Rough sentence.
That's it's criterion. That's why I was like, who
serves it to read? They're always worried as fuck.

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Under pressure to help revive his network's low ratings,
television writer Pierre Delacroix.
Damon Wayans hits on an explosively offensive idea
bringing back blackface with thenew Millennium and Minstrel
Show. The White Network executives
love it and so do audiences, forcing Pierre and his
collaborators to confront their public's insatiable appetite for

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dehumanizing stereotypes. Shot primarily on unvarnished
digital video and boasting spot on performances from Wayans,
Savion Glover, Jada Pinkett Smith, Tommy Davidson, Michael
Rapaport, MO Steph and Paul Mooney, Bamboozled is a stinging
indictment of mass entertainmentat the turn of the 21st century
that looks more damning with each passing year.

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You're so fucking. Lucky or not, it's not a
fucking. Read.
You're fucking lucky. Ain't piece of shit so.
As I just made it clear, this isonly the second time that I've
watched this movie. This is, I believe, the first
time you'd watch Bamboozled, correct?
Why is that even a question? So I nominated.
This and do the right thing, which you also had not watched,

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but at least you knew you know about do the right thing and
know what was in it That's correct, but I'm.
Not Spike Lee's target audience,I hate to tell you.
Spike Lee is a terrific filmmaker.
Yes, he's a. Fabulous film.
You like movies? Yes, you are.
His target? Audience OK.
One of his target. Audiences.
Yeah, maybe you're not. You might not be #1 on the call

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sheet, but you know what I mean.I'm not.
The primary driver, Spike Lee doesn't think, Let me make this
movie because people like Samantha Mullet are going to go
pay money to go see it. I'm not going to lie.
I would pay an an A ridiculous amount of money.
Can you say absurd? No.
I was going to use an even bigger word.

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Exorbitant. Yes, I.
Would pay like every money, every money.
You'd pay every money how? Can you fucking read?
The back of the box and then youcan't even fucking string 2
words together so much. Every day, and that's normally
my thing, but now it's not. We all know how.
Much you talk every day. I would pay a lot of.

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Money to watch you and Spike Leehave a conversation for like 20
minutes. We would have a great.
Conversation of a what? I would talk to him.
About basketball, because I knowhe's a big basketball guy who's
his favorite team. The Knicks OK.
Very good, yeah. I watched.
I actually do watch and pay attention.
I have to would have to probablyreview some of my notes from
those 34 thirties we watched. But yeah, I know he's a Knicks

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fan. Very good.
And he he was name. Dropped in in the movie Rent in
the in the stage play Rent. So there's that too.
Good. Boy, what I have to.
Lean into it. You do.
So it's your first time watchingit.
What is your score for a bamboozle?
What is your score for a bamboozle?

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I don't know how to score this. This is.
Probably. 1. Of the hardest movies to rate
it's it's so let me so let. Me put in the.
Perspective for people, I mean, the the back of the box is a
really good job of telling what this movie is about.
But to put into perspective, this movie I think is around 54%
on Rotten Tomatoes. Which is that that Which is

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that. Thought yeah it.
Was A A a box office flop, Not that it really matters because
it was made so cheaply. It was.
It was made. It wasn't meant to be a.
Big Yeah, it wasn't. Made to be a big a big movie,
but still it it it was not well regarded upon coming out and
then as of two years ago was added to the National Film

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Registry as I mean, I. Think as it should be, but
that's kind of getting ahead of myself.
I don't know because. I don't know.
Because yeah, put a number on it.
I know, but. It's just so difficult to do.
It was my nomination, so the. Rule is you have to nominate it
first. No, you can score first.
You don't have to play by the rules, Chris, you're fucking
making us do. Happy to get more too, just
because you didn't want to have to watch what's the next movie?

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Can't break. Every rule I break hatefully.
It's like 2 hours of yeah, OK, just because.
You don't want to do that. It's just a little.
It's just. What score you give in this
movie? Well, I'll tell you after you
give me your score, yeah. Let me see.
No, No. I want to see how racist you
are. I'm not fucking.
Racist. I'm just.
Building up to the punchline, I'm giving it a 10.
No, it's. Like that's the.
Safest thing to do? I'm giving this movie A a 7 1/2.

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That's what I'm giving it. OK, I was talking between a.
Seven and a 7 1/2 I was and I ultimately I'm going to go with
a 7 1/2 because the the meaning and the intent of the movie is
so important in my opinion. Based on Spike Lee's messaging,

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I it it toes such a line, but purposefully.
Of course it does. But that doesn't mean just
because just because a line is toad doesn't make it.
Comfortable. I'm not.
Even talk about comfort doesn't mean that it's particularly good
or I don't think this movie is concerned about being

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entertaining. But the thing I'm getting at is
I question whether or not. Little.
Itty bitty choices could be changed to make this movie A9 or
A10 because there are some thereare some moments in this movie

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that are full blown 10 moments Ithink there.
Are others that are? Like 3 1/2, four moments.
And that honestly is kind of theSpike Lee experience because he
just can't help himself sometimes.
He is so unapologetic, as the back of the box says, about what
he wants to say about the world,that like, he doesn't give a

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fuck and it doesn't matter. And I respect that, but it makes
somebody that doesn't make good.It doesn't make always for a
good film. Yes, I think that especially
like that. The second.
Half of the movie we lose the plot and and I.
Think it and I. Think that is the detriment of
it. Like I think the story that is

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told and the progression even upto Sir we are recording.
Don't lose your train of thought.
We are recording. Don't I mean it?
Don't Google. We lose the plot.
We lose the. Plot.
I mean up until like when? That's my water.
Up until I'm just kidding, Up until what's his fucking name,

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Hanky? Hanky, hanky, hanky like Mr.
Hanky the Christmas poo. My auntie, My auntie, Man call.
Him, Man Ray, Man Ray, his actual name Man Ray.
It's just just for your own fucking sake, let's not call him

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anything else because hankie. Now that I'm saying it, I feel
uncomfortable saying it. Because it sounds like honky.
Well, that it would. Be the opposite.
Make your point if you have one,what I did.
And you made me lose it because you don't know how Man Ray was
the properly what? You don't know.
How to properly this when he died, when when he gets killed,

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like after that downhill. I think that's such a strong
message and had some of the choices not been made in the
second-half, I think that would have made it stronger.
But it just continue to like unravel, not in a good way, so.
Excellent call out and I 100% agree with you, but I don't want
to misconstrue to the audience something that happens.

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I I forgot this. I thought that happened earlier
and there's more of a fallout that happens in the movies done
in like the next like 5 to 10 minutes.
There's not a there's not a stretch afterwards.
It literally is like Man Ray gets killed and then like the
Mao Maus get gunned down and then and Della has his like

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freak out because he's in blackface now with all of the
trinkets and stuff he's bought. And then Sloan comes in, shoots
him, he watches a tape and it's like credits.
I thought there was more of likea reverberation after it.
So I think that's why it didn't work for me because there's not
a lot of time to sit with it. What bothered me about that
whole lead and build up to it iskind of to your point, the

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second-half of the movie. There is a a good solid 1520
minutes prior to that where stuff just gets really unfocused
and unbalanced. And honestly it's it's kind of
just a Spike Lee thing. I thought the five Bloods as an
example is a fantastic movie. And the there's like a 1520
minute stretch right before the climax of the movie where it's

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like, what the fuck are we doing?
Like he doesn't know how. My first note on the plane.
Land, Land the. Plane.
Well, my first note on the movie.
What is this movie? So my well, we'll talk about my
first time in the movie when we talk about more of like the
technical side, like the behind the scenes stuff.
But all that being said, like the audacity of what he's saying

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and doing, like he is flat out like saying things about people
in 2000. I mean, it's not.
That aren't that. Aren't wrong that aren't still
fucking here, right? Almost 20.
Five years later and we still live in this.
I think that's why the movie. This movie hasn't had like a
resurgence look per SE, but thismovie is more highly, this movie
is more highly regarded with film scholars, obviously the

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national film industry and also in his catalog because it is
kind of ahead of its time based on like what we're seeing now.
Absolutely. Absolutely, but you can't like
re release this, you know You like re release Jaws every 4th
of July. You can't fucking anniversary.
Bamboozle, you can't re release this.
Movie Everyone the 1st. 500 people to buy tickets, get free

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bobble heads yeah you know, but.Those, those were some beautiful
pieces. You can't say.
It again I've got a pick it. Go for it you.
Want to go to the fucking flea market?
No, you can pick up. More if you'd like, I know.
They are there. I know so.
There's there's a cultural thing.
It is a cultural thing, but. What I what I'm trying to say

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about what he's saying in this movie is like, there are not any
instances where except for a, a conversation where they're
reviewing Della's like failed pilots and pitches that are in
that Cosby Show mold, which that's a whole other thing we
can get into now. Now all the.

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Time but. Everything else is like rooted
in reality like they are full blown talking about like
homeboys from outer space and Keenan and Kel and like Quentin
Tarantino, which Spike Lee has been on the record of having a
massive problem with for 30 years.
Spike Lee is name drop in this movie, which normally is

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something that drives me up the fucking wall cough cough Michael
Bay but or cough cough Fred Durst.
But in this it makes sense basedon the importance that he has to
both film and the black community.
So like that, like there's no subtlety, but that is on
purpose. I wrote that down before Michael
Rappaport's first scene where heis just N word crazy.

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It's a barrage and Spike gets a shout out in his own movie.
It it says a lot. I just question in a lot of
cases if it's said the right way.
To me, where the movie soars is in the is in the actual satire
of it all. It's it's in the.
Satire and in the authenticity that they lend to it, like the

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whole stretch, I think right before they do the first.
Show before they. Do the first minstrel show and
what Sloane says, you know, is like, we got to make it
authentic, right? We're going to burn the corks.
We're going to do that. That whole stretch I thought was
beautifully done. It is so.

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Powerful. Like so powerful.
And like, the music, the music. And I had a note too.
The music all throughout. Like you could tell it's a spite
lead joint for sure. Yeah, because the music is it's
this quiet. And soulful jazz with a twinge
comedy and you see their. Eyes like you just see the the

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sadness and you see, but you seealso like hope at the same time,
which is really weird like I hope like this is the big break.
I hope like you know this satireso I'll never.
Forget the first. The first time that I saw this,
I actually this shows you how long ago I saw this and like the
how time has changed. This is in 2005 when I was a

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freshman in college, I had to goto one of the libraries on
campus to like 1 like the viewing booths to watch this.
It wasn't the kind of thing where like I could rent it like
the class had like you'd like basically sign up for your time
to go watch it at like a designated place and like
whatever library was. So I was but like like what this
booth was, was just like add a computer screen like in the

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middle of the library. So I'm watching this movie with
just like society happening around me and like when that
scene hit I was like this is fucking powerful and crazy but
also any person that walks by mewatching this movie is like what
the fuck is this person watching?
This white dude. Watching, you know, especially

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that especially. 20 years ago, especially you, you were skinny
little. What also.
I have no problem in probably saying 20 years ago I was
probably laughing much harder atthis movie than I am doing now
when I don't have a grasp of what it really entails.
Yeah, I still, I still obviouslyhad an inkling as to what it

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meant, but the experiences. That we've had over the last 20
years especially, yes, ourselves, society, everything,
and not us, but. Specifically, well.
Sure, you know what I mean. In.
A society, but like us as like people who are actually human
and care about people and everything.
So that I I I called. Out in my like, so I have like 3

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or 4 like top tier scenes that Iabsolutely love and that one is
like the first long, the first long ass scene 'cause that scene
is long where it's like the pilot and they're taping it.
It is so fucking uncomfortable, It is so funny because of the
reactions of people that are watching it and also it is just

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really spot on filmmaking because I totally forgot about
the way the movie is shot and I'm not like handheld.
I'm not the biggest. Fan of it, if I'm being 100%
honest, because when I first started, like this looks
shittier than like some generation sketches we used to
do. Like this is just like mini DV.
Like, like, you know, fucking film.

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Yeah, it looks like a student film.
And it didn't, and I didn't remember it as well.
And then I got the point of it because it's supposed to be
grainy and hard to watch becauseit's that's the material.
It is. Well, no.
No, no, I'm talking about the the stuff that's rooted in
reality from an aesthetic perspective.
It's not as refined and as pristine as what you expect a

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movie to be. What is in like, beautiful 16mm
film is the minstrel show. It looks gorgeous.
Yeah, the the. Because there's.
Brightness of. There's no expense.
That has been spared. So that really highlighted like
the reality and the duality of both of those, both of those

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decisions. So that scene is amazing to me.
The thing that like cinches the movie for me is the montage at
the end. The montage, the tape that
Sloane finally forces Daylight to watch, that shows just in so
many different ways that exploitation from the from the
from the beginning of film. And let's be honest, not even

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it's the beginning. Of society, man, but I mean but.
Society, yes, but specifically, I'm not saying that it started
with film. I'm saying since we've had
moving pictures, yeah. But since we've had.
Moving pictures. It has been another outlet for
us to exploit and, and put down and and do whatever.

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And it's also so fucking restrained.
I remember that scene because itwas 20 years ago, so all those
things are closer than what theyare now.
But there's still not nothing there that's particularly
modern. I don't know what the like.
There's stuff in there with likeShirley Temple, Judy Garland.
That's probably the most modern stuff.

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That's and maybe some of the cartoon stuff.
I think the cartoon stuff is. More modern and not that modern.
It's more going to be like MerryMelodies, you know, and possibly
some Disney stuff in there. It's still far and away from
when I saw it in 2005. I remember it basically being
like a ramp up from the beginning of film until
basically where we left it off. It's not that.

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So that's the thing. It could have been and should
have been worse, but it's just, it's just an unrelenting 5
minutes of just you thought everything you saw was bad.
And it's because I'm the person that had this vision to put this
film together and show it in this way.
Guess what? It actually, in the reality of

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it all, has already been this way and been worse.
Yeah. Yeah.
No. Absolutely, so that I remember.
Like that's part of the like theimpetus for me, like loving this
movie when I first saw it and buying it was like that stuck
with me in that moment. So that's amazing.
What scenes did you particularlylike or love that we haven't
talked about yet? So I have a couple more.
Yeah, well, those two. I liked I what else did I like

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here? I just, you know, I didn't, I
didn't take super, super specific notes.
I was too busy watching. I mean that that's fair.
In this case, you know. 'Cause like there was just so
much and a lot of it's like, like you've got to see, you got
to see it, to believe it. Yeah, I just it got Wilder and

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Wilder. So to fill in other things, so I
in a different way, the auditionscene.
Oh, that was the. Next, that I just got to that in
my notes is hilarious. The.
Audition. Scene was wild, particularly.
Desperate for. Work.

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I mean. He's, I mean, if you want to
really think about and break down what he's trying to say in
that scene, in my opinion, he's saying that there is some fault
with the African American community themselves as to what
they're willing to do, what they're willing to do.
Like it's, it's enabling a lot of the stereotypes and things I

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mean. It's like.
As a Jewish person, like if you go into, like if you go to be a
lawyer or go into accounting or something, you're setting
yourself up. You know what I mean?
It's like you play into a lot ofstereotypes and that's part of
it. And I think that's true and it's
not. It's not.

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Necessarily their fault. It's like society put them in
there 1000%. Instead of trying.
To. Rise up.
Like they do it. And I think even the basis of
the story says that same thing because Man Ray, all he wanted
to do was dance and he. He's game for like, but he's

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like, he's game. For he was a little hesitant,
but he ended up doing it becausehe wanted to dance he wanted to
display it cool but like that's the problem sure and that's the
spec that he was trying to set absolutely and I find.
It specific, you know, over time.
There was some criticism initially to Sabian Glover's
performance in this movie. Ridiculous.

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And I, I still don't think he's perfect.
He's not on my MVP or my LVP list as a spoiler.
Get up on that table and dance. Like him, I'm not saying he's
not an. Incredibly talented, like, you
know, top of class fucking tap dancer who has been doing this
for decades. But I think it's almost a
purposeful decision of spikes inin his directing and whatever he

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told Savion that he is so much better as Man Tan than the Man
Ray as a performer. I think it fits kind of Man Ray
being this like uneducated, likeentertainer character that it
fits into the mold. He is is specifically cast to

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play that. It's it's really wild to watch
it with that, with that tint to it.
So that's a good point, yes, butso the audition scene is great
if anything, because it's our introduction to Honeycutt as
well. And Honeycutt's fucking great
and I I forgot about him in thismovie and he's he's wild.
So that scene is a as a favoriteof mine.

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The the scene where the the pitch scene.
So the scene it's this is I'm going to show you this so that
way this doesn't come off the wrong way.
My phone literally autocorrectedthe pitch scene to the porch
scene and I was like what the fuck is the Porsche?

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And it's because it was before the writers room and the
audition scene. I was like, they weren't there
already the pitch. Mine didn't.
Autocorrect it. That's all I'm going to say.
Look, look, it says right there,she says the pitch.
All I'm going to say also, all it says is.
The pitch period. What?
What are your notes, lady? Like good Lord the pitch that

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scene is. What is your say?
The porch scene. Why is that better?
Because of the. Notes that come after it.
That scene is fucking wild. Notes after.
It not about the pitch. It just says the pitch and then
you move on to whatever else happens next.
Stop picking your zits. I'm not picking my zits.
All the reactions of everybody in the room, Womack Man Ray,

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whoever the fuck Michael Rockford character's name is,
Sloane. And then obviously Pierre.
Like pitching it all. Like the the way that plays out
and becomes like what it is is crazy.
And then you have stuff like Keenan and Kel is getting flat
out straight shots. Yeah.
It's super fucking like wild. Well, yeah.
And. Like, talking about, like you

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said, like, kind of goes back tothe opening scene, like, you
know, talking about all the things that he did and how
they're all too white, you know?And that's why nobody likes
them. And yeah, and that's why.
And that's why, according to like the White network
executive, Black people don't want to watch it because they
can't identify with it or they don't want to feel.

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Less than. Because of it all.
So that's that's. Amazing.
I also really, really like there's a couple other scenes
that like I don't think are great, but I think are good.
So I really like the scene with Sloan and Mos Def where, you
know, it highlights a lot of what Spike is trying to say
about this juxtaposition of likea a struggling, you know,

(43:58):
militant but like impassioned black performer and this like,
up and coming. Up and coming successful.
Individual that that you know, empathizes but is doing what
they're doing. I think they they have a good
rapport in that scene as well. So that's a good one.
The writers room scene it like. The fact that it's.

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Biting satire while there's a pretense of satire in the work
itself, there's a really difficult thing to pull off.
Oh yeah. And that's why I think there's
every other line is something like, man, that's a really weird
choice to, you know, I know how to put it or what to say.
I like. Yeah, it suspends your.
Disbelief in terms of like, are there actually people that are

(44:42):
like fucking like this? Yes.
No, Exactly. As soon as like.
The next person says something like, oh, 1000 percent, 1000
percent, 1000. Percent spike.
Lee has probably heard that. In a room, Absolutely.
And I. Like that scene too, because it
was and it was like the people were so like apologetic, like,
yo, I'm sorry. Like it's just a room full of
white people and we couldn't getthe anyone here.
And it's like, sure, be apologetic, but at least try.

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And I think that's what it was like these people were trying,
quote UN quote trying and it just wasn't wasn't working.
I mean, we've talked about it before on the show with how
like. Male writers.
Write female characters and different things like that.
I mean, the same thing carries over a stereotypes of
stereotypes, A stereotype, you know, and, and I think that

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scene was was really well done because it it showed like there
were some who were like, they honestly wanted to like do good.
And then you had like people like Michael Rapaport's
character who was just like, I'mentitled.
I was literally about to supportand that and that that is I

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think the biggest difference. And I think that's kind of like
why I liked. That writer.
Writing writers from scene. It's a very good scene.
They're not specific scenes, butthere are just images and
moments in this movie where I'm like again, 25 years ago doing

(46:10):
it and now like it's dropping myjaw and making me cackle and
disbelief. Like the fact that there is like
the like the way that the commercials are and they're
basically like animated almost in like AWB Michigan frog style
way to highlight like, hey, thisshit just fucking happens.

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And like the commercials, the way that they are displayed is
like what the fuck? And then you see like children
in like blackface, Halloween masks and a whole fucking crowd
at a taping, everybody, black, white, Asian, old, young,
whatever, just in blackface watching this essentially

(46:54):
cultural phenomenon. It's like the most jarring
fucking thing in the world. And then kind of like the final
taping, you have the crowd work scene where Honeycutt is like
doing crowd work before the showand people are just saying like
the Sicilian guy is saying offensive shit, the old lady
saying offensive shit even. The black lady.

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In blackface is saying offensiveshit like it is.
It is a whole shade of insane that it is that you cannot
believe is so fucking present intoday's society.
There's plenty of other stuff aswell that we can get into in a
second, but we are running incredibly long, which is fine,

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I know, but there's there's so much to talk about this movie.
And also we had a long intro, but at this point, let's talk
about scenes and things in the movie outside of performances
that didn't work for us. We kind of were already hovering
around the the kind of the climax of the movie before the
montage. The end of this movie is a total
fucking mess. It is it.

(47:58):
Is it's it just kind of takes a left turn and when it should
have when it should have just fucking made a U-turn.
I mean, I don't I. Don't know.
No, I don't think you should have made a U No, I don't mean.
That it should have just. It should have just stopped.
Honestly, it. Takes a left turn and it doesn't
really like develop any of them.And like the left turn is so

(48:19):
abrupt. So as an example, like the move,
like the show is having like such a success and then
everybody's in. Blackface.
Well, and yeah. And then all.
Of a sudden, like you see Man Ray in like the dance rehearsal
and like, he's like being hard, but I don't think he's being
ego. Like, I mean, it's ego.

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It's something you haven't seen from him before.
But I that's just typical entertainment shit and.
Then Womack is. Sitting in there like watching
it all and like they this is where like that's their last
scene together and they split. And it's like, this hasn't been
building up in any way, shape orform.
Like it literally like kind of comes out of nowhere.
The fact that the two of them are arguing and Womack's like,

(49:02):
I'm done. And then he literally, like, we
don't see him again except at the very, very end of the movie
when he's, like, reacting to man, right?
Getting killed on live TV, Yeah.And even like right before this
too is kind of when things also went off the rails, like with De
la Croix, because all his shit was haunted and start, he

(49:25):
started seeing everything talk to him or move or whatever.
And well, yeah, because that. That happened.
I think right before. So it's kind of like everyone's
just like cracking, starting to crack because of the success,
the acceptance, the. But there's no.
Saltation of. It, but there's nothing.

(49:45):
Gradual about it. It just fucking happens and then
it's sometimes there isn't anything.
Gradual, but I feel like it. Needed to be in terms of yeah,
you can't spend. How long was this movie 2?
Hours and 16 minutes. You can't spend an hour.
And 1/2. Building up.
Here's the problem. And then continue doing that

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because then you end up with a four hour movie, I feel like.
The build up, if you cut 1/2 hour from the build up, there's
a way that like they already short sheeted a lot of the build
up to begin with to have to havemultiple there's you can't drop
anymore. Of it, you can't, but there's
more. Of that, there's two or three
good elongated menstrual show taping scenes that's that are

(50:30):
necessary to the movie. But so then this is everything
that happens in the last like literally 30 minutes of the
movie. What I just said about the
Womack and Man Ray argument in the split, that's immediately
followed by the Della and Sloan argument that leads to the Sloan
being fired and then it leads into whatever underdeveloped
relationship that Sloan and Man Ray have going on.

(50:52):
They're fighting argument. It's just Spike Lee's
unfortunately bad proclivities with his writing on full
display. And then you have the stuff like
Man Ray basically rebelling against everything that's
happening and then doing the dance without the without his
get up on and getting kicked out, then getting kidnapped.

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Then the Mao Maus who this entire time have been the whole
Mao Mao stuff for me just doesn't work Like it's it's I
don't even know what the. Fuck stupid fucking name, be
careful. Like, I don't know what any of
them, I don't know, you might beon the list now.
But like, I like, like at first it's kind of like like comedy

(51:39):
fodder in terms of their this are they are they righteous or
are they just kind of yeah. And then it turns.
Into an episode of Law and OrderSVU.
It really does. It really, really does.
Live streaming they they have the masks on they they want to
be. Part of the show and then they
don't do it. Then they then they take, then

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they take. You should have called.
Finn and had him come then they.Take it the wrong way.
And then they become like, like actually militant with it.
And then all of a sudden, like, they have like the ability to,
you know, broadcast live across all cable channels because they
have kidnapped this individual. Then they actually fucking kill

(52:22):
him. And then they're gunned down out
of nowhere. Like all the memo stuff before
that was almost kind of silly. Like their conversations and
what they're saying is like, do they actually know what they're
talking about? Like you honestly can kind of
question it beyond their music. Like their music seems like
legitimately about the causes that they're talking about.
But when they're like in the studio talking and like they're
kind of just saying the same shit over and over again.

(52:44):
And then you have fucking MC search from third base as 116th
Black trying to like be part of the group.
It's like when they all of a sudden become serious threats.
It's like, what the fuck? Honestly, it was.
Really all if you say a. Fucking Mac Guffin.
I'm going to slap you in the fucking face.
I'm kidding. Really.
A Mac. Guffin fine call.
My boss, that was me climbing myhands.

(53:07):
No, it was really all to just get that one scene at the end
where 116th Black is just like, why didn't you kill me?
Why didn't you kill me? Honestly, you're a. 100% right.
Honestly, what it feels like just to.
That right, it was a Mac Guffin just to get to that one scene.
It's. Not.
Necessary to the It's sad that the.
Movie It's sad that that might be the closest thing to a Mac

(53:28):
guffin you've ever come up with Yeah, I'm always spot on with
the. Mac Guffin no, you're not OK,
but. It's very anticlimactic as well.
Like they they are. That's you're.
Such a fucking asshole. You knew I was going to talk
about it on this show and you purposely.
No, I didn't. Talk about the movie.
We saw with your mother until just now didn't.
Even think about it. So like all of it is like it

(53:50):
builds up to something and then it's just very anticlimactic.
Like Man Ray gets killed on national television because of
the Mau Maus and within 90 seconds later the police on in
the movie find them and gun themdown.
And then the 116 like black jokething happens and it's like
really there's no follow up on Sloan and MO Steph's character
being brother and sister. Like she only has one throwaway

(54:12):
line when she goes crazy and like is like breaking in the
Delacroix office and threateninghim with a gun.
Like like she just says like, oh, my brother's dead now.
And it's like there was no otherconnective tissue besides your
conversation and this throughoutthis entire 2 hour movie.
And that just hurts. And it could have been
beneficial to the overall like scope and scale of the movie.

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So all this stuff is happening just to get us to a finale.
And then you have stuff like Bellacoit being in blackface for
no reason at all because he's losing his mind destroying all
these trinkets, like I said, that he bought.
There's some really good stuff in there about specifically
around the bank that Sloan giveshim of, you know, the, the the

(54:56):
the menstrual bank that the coinjust keeps being fed into the
character's mouth like that repeated imagery, especially as
it keeps showing the other racist imagery that is like
adorning his office now. Like that stuff works.
But then like she comes in here and has a gun and she's like
totally crazy now. Like it just, it just is like

(55:17):
tonally kind of off and wrong and it really hurts and dampers
the overall dampens the overall feeling of the movie.
And I just think. That it just the character went
from the strong powerhouse this like confident, like you know,
or like at least like this integral part to like this

(55:37):
little like whiny little bitch like you made me do it.
You never listen to me. You made me do it.
And then I mean, was Spike he trying to say something about
like the black on black crime that I know is a lot of what you
know, Sure. I also.
Come to be saying something about like women as well.
Like he isn't the best when it comes to writing in my opinion.

(55:59):
I could tell. So he isn't he's.
Like so stuff like, I mean, I think stuff like jungle fever
and girl 6 would argue a little bit against that, but there are
still plenty of people that readother things into it.
I mean, do the right thing literally just starts with Rosie
Perez for like 5 minutes close-ups on boobs and ass, like
like shaking and doing her thing.

(56:19):
It it's more so like a a a vibe and a statement on like the bed
Stuy, you know, Burrow and culture of that.
But still, there's some stuff that to me, from the beginning
of this movie to the end of thismovie, what happens with Sloan
that I just don't like. Jada Pinkett Smith was like my

(56:40):
MVP until that last season. Yeah, I.
Thought I. Was like, remember when she was
like really good and not totallyfucking crazy?
And then the last scene when she's totally batshit crazy, I'm
like, man, she's so bad in that scene.
Like she's really bad. Like, I think that took me out
of it the most. Yeah.
Like it's. It's it's jarring for like a
really, really uncomfortable way.
So those are the things I don't necessarily like from a scene

(57:03):
perspective. Kind of in the middle is the
scene with Della or Peerless, because that is a good SWERF
that just gave me the dead fucking needle.
Holy shit. That he's of course, his name is
not actually Pierre de la Qua. It's peerless Dolphin.
What that? Paul Moonies, his dad.

(57:25):
Thanks. He goes to see his dad, who's
Paul Mooney, which is just Paul Mooney doing stand up.
Like it's, it's great to just see like you immediately
recognize Paul Mooney's voice. Like this is going to be fun and
just 5 minutes of Paul Mooney's stand up.
But then like what that scene means and like what that
character represents, it's just,I don't know.
There's some stuff like that. It's I guess it's supposed to be

(57:46):
a juxtaposition of, you know, the, the value of your art
versus the value of, you know, what it means.
But then you see this character being a raging alcoholic, you
know, philanderer, etcetera. You know, like what, what, what
there's some of it. I think the, the, the, the
message and the meaning gets lost in the sauce.

(58:08):
So that overall kind of hurts the the movie in my opinion.
One other thing I didn't mentionthroughout this, I love the
balls. We talked a lot about the real
life stuff, you know, the the name drops and things, but
there's also things that are incredibly coded in this movie.
So when Dayla starts getting allthese accolades or he starts

(58:29):
imagining these accolades that he's going to be receiving from
this minstrel show, there were two specific like really biting
references that are topical at the time.
Don't lean back for when your eyes are already closing.
No, they're not. They're.
Open. I'm looking at you.

(58:49):
I'm staring right at you. Your eyes are closed.
No, they're not. No kidding.
They're. Crossed they're.
Not. Closed The first one is when
he's accepting the award and he's doing like the Cuba Gooding
Junior dance and like talking about show me the money.
And you know, there are people like Spike Lee who had a problem
with the the Cuba Gooding Juniorbasically, like basically, for

(59:14):
lack of a better word, shucking and driving his way to accolade
to a white audience. So like that being played out in
being so explicitly what that isfollowed up by the other award.
So version of that, which is thefamous incident where Ving Rains
won, I believe was a Primetime Emmy Award and basically called
Jack Lemmon on stage. We beat for the award and just

(59:35):
gave him the award because he felt that he deserved it more
than him, which like in most people's eyes is a honorable,
you know, nice gesture from somebody that felt it was the
right thing to do to honor legacy.
But other people felt like it's laying down for the master.
Like the fact that it's like just exactly what he does this

(59:55):
movie, but it's still somebody like Matthew Modine is like.
That was in 2000 and he's in like he doesn't fucking care cuz
he can. Like you have to appreciate shit
like that. No, I I agree.
So. That I wanted to call that out.
All right. We've already talked about the,
the, the way the movie was shotsand like the camera of it, all

(01:00:20):
the music, etcetera. So we'll skip over that little
section and go into MVP and LVP.Where do you want to start?
Well, you we already. Started with like Jada Pinkett
Smith, so I I think she. Was I think she was really,
really good, but I and and and no, in no conscious conscious
way could I give it to her basedon that final?
Absolutely not, no. Absolutely, she would have been

(01:00:41):
my. Number.
I don't think she's the LVP. No, she's not the LVP.
Michael Rappaport is. The LVP of the movie, so it's
probably. Almost definitely Michael
Rappaport, because the only thing I wrote when he was on my
LVP LVP list was when is he not?Because he's just Michael
Rappaport. Yeah, like he.
Legit talks like that like 1000.Percent, 1000% and he's

(01:01:01):
incredibly problematic. Problematic nowadays, not that
he even just wasn't 2530 years ago.
I will say though, I really don't like Damon Wayans in this
movie. And if there was somebody beyond
Damon Wayans in that part, I think this is an actual
Alzheimer of a movie. He is incredibly miscast.
The accent is so over the top. And it's the don't you think

(01:01:25):
it's purposeful? It's purposeful because he's
trying to be whitewashed. That's exactly the point.
That's why he changed his name from Peerless to Pierre de la
Crouch the Pretentious. The pretentiousness is off
putting for a reason, but it makes it hard to watch from a
movie perspective. Specifically the voice overs.

(01:01:49):
The voice overs even I can I canhandle him in a scene doing that
as a character. If the voice overs had been him
as himself, I think that would have been a better stylistic
choice. But then But then.
It would have been. It would have been disconnected
from the character. I totally disagree.
I think it would have been interesting because the way he's

(01:02:10):
saying it is him is it's almost like if he's saying it as he's
peerless, he's not saying it like he's Pierre Delacroix.
I, I just I just a choice. I've never liked.
It's my whole Rappaport. It just his he like there's no
other person to play that character.
So depending on what your definition of I mean, Quentin

(01:02:32):
Tarantino could. Have gone on there and played
it. Actually, it would have been
brilliant. He just like had the
self-awareness of him. Inspectors came up with an
agreement just to fucking do it.It would have been great except
the fact would have been QuentinTarantino acting.
And So what if they do an LVP? Well, yeah, but like.
Like there's. No other person besides Quentin
Tarantino could that have done that part.
So like depending on what your definition of valuable is, like,

(01:02:54):
there is value to having MichaelRapaport in this movie doing
that. But he's just so unrealistic as
a network executive. He's so unrealistic as an actor.
Like he's just, he's just who heis.
And that's nothing. That's nothing fun in movies.
So we will go with Michael Rapaport.

(01:03:15):
Although I'd like I said, I do think the Damon Wayans, I don't
even know who in 2000 would havebeen better in that part.
Because he does bring a lot of baggage with him based on his
own experience in Hollywood and how he was fired from SNL for
taking chances and doing things a certain way.
And then creating and living color, which even fucking

(01:03:35):
references again in this movie outside of the person that he's
in, and then kind of falling into the world of just doing.
Parody. There's a parody world and then
having like an ABC sitcom right around this time.
I feel like I don't know who else could fit into that mold or
that character at the time, but we'll go with Michael Rappaport.

(01:03:58):
So MVP then becomes kind of interesting because if it's not
Jada, I have people who are numb.
I have Honeycutt on my list. It's not Honeycutt.
He's absolutely incredible though.
That guy is like a Tony winning actor who apparently got like
murdered several years ago. Unfortunately, I think that guy
is incredibly charismatic and captivating.
The watch he was shot. Yeah, I told you, he said he.

(01:04:19):
Was shot, he was murdered. I thought he was great, like his
whole audition scene and then the way that he portrays that
Honeycutt character as, as you know, kind of the, the, the MC,
if you will. Fantastic.
The other person I have on my list is Tommy Davidson.

(01:04:40):
I think it might be. Tommy Davidson because you
really feel the pain like you were talking about when he's
applying the blackface, like he's so.
Reluctant, he is like. Even from that first like pitch
scene that we were talking about, and even the way that
like him and Man Ray are the heart and soul of the movie.

(01:05:00):
But nobody is more of an innocent to me in this movie
than Womack. And I'm glad I've been able to
just keep calling him Womack instead of his other character's
name. Like what?
What's wrong with? That I just don't want to say.
It but I don't mind just he. Also is so.
Good as that other character, Yeah.
Oh. Like it's phenomenal.

(01:05:21):
Like like the. Reporter, I don't know that he
did the. Voice of of Oscar proud on the
proud family Oh yeah yeah yeah I.
Didn't know that. Like, like the bit that he has
later on when he is like, you know, you know, when he's
pretending to be a slave in thatconversation with Man Ray, it,

(01:05:44):
it just kind of highlights everything that that individual
has been through. Struggling on the street, trying
to make ends meet, trying to getto where he wanted to be.
Finally got there and had to do it in the worst way possible.
And then finally had a, a, a conscience of a change of heart.
And his conscience finally won out and was like, fuck this man.
Fuck it. Yeah.

(01:06:04):
To me. He's kind of the most spotless
person. Savion Glover is better than I
remembered in this role. Like I said that he was
fabulous. I.
Thought I thought he was. Really good.
I didn't like any of. His scenes with Jada Pinkett
Smith? Exactly that.
Ultimately is the other thing that cost him, like I said, he's
not a good actor, particularly when he's kind of being himself.
So that that's why I think it might be Tommy Davidson.

(01:06:26):
Yeah, I would. Agree.
Awesome. All right, so.
Tommy Davidson's the MVP of Bamboozled and Michael Rapaport
is the LVP of Bamboozled. Let me read through my notes to
make sure I didn't miss anythingelse.
Oh also shout out LVP for Al Sharpton and Johnny Cochran as
Oh my gosh. I.
Forgot they were in this. I'm like because they referenced

(01:06:47):
both of them earlier in the movie and I was like son of a
bitch. They're still in this.
They're actually in it. They're.
Actually, in this as themselves,holy shit.
I cannot wait for. This.
No, I don't. I.
Can't. I can't really ask a dumb.
Question about Samantha, what isyour dumb?
Question of the Week. Have you?

(01:07:10):
No, I have not. OK.
How do you feel? About a forum.
No, wait. Hey yo, I was actually going to
ask you about like the uncle because I know like we have like
the Uncle Remus stories and stuff.
This is a fair question. I asked and.

(01:07:32):
They're problematic in their ownway, but they're also from like,
the 1800s, right? But like, oh, there you went to
Marshall. Let's go ahead.
Well, my favorite uncle. Rima story is Uncle Rima's and
the tar baby. Can't say that it's the name of
a story, so I can say it, but I said like they're problematic.
Sure. So.
Where I thought you were going with the question was I've

(01:07:55):
romanticized for a long time, Brerabbit.
And splashed round. And things like that.
Because my grandmother, admittedly a incredibly racist
old lady, and my grandfather, who grew up in the South, born.
In the. 19 does not matter. 20s yeah, 20s and 30s does not

(01:08:19):
matter. Well, it does.
Because that it does, it's cultural and it's it's an age
thing. Because my grandmother's was the
same way. I mean, my grandmother came.
I told you that story about how my grandmother, who grew up in
England, came over here and said, oh, I want this.
Do you have it in? Yeah.

(01:08:39):
That color. Yeah.
This color. And the way that they referred
to the color was N brown, yeah. I think everyone knew what we
were getting out. I just wanted to make.
Sure. But yes, yes.
So I think it's a more of a cultural thing.
My grandad was born in the early1930s of like a time period.

(01:09:00):
At this point in my life, does not matter.
It's, it's inexcusable. That being said, it's difficult
for me to rectify. I mean, we could talk about this
from the perspective of, of it'sbeen on my mind a lot lately in
the, in the after effects of Hulk Hogan passing away, a big
racist, awful, terrible piece ofshit.

(01:09:21):
But being like. The first childhood hero that I
ever had. So having having something mean
so much to one of the most important people in my entire
life being an incredibly racist thing and something I really
didn't think or feel about until, until you knew.
Better until I knew better. Over the past 10 or 15 years and

(01:09:43):
me like, romance something, oh, man, I got this record and oh, I
finally got this movie on DVD and oh, you know, I'm sad that
this ride's closing. Like it's like you don't put in
a perspective how damaging and hurtful that is to an entire
section of society. So I.
Understand. Yeah.
And it's the same. And it's the same thing that

(01:10:04):
just happened with Sydney Sweeney's got great jeans like.
Oh, sure. No, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, trust me.
Like I, I. Understand completely.
I totally get it. But yeah, I mean, so I wasn't
going to ask you a dumb questionof the week because I I
understand the sensitivity of it.
Oh sure, you still ask you. Ask me actually a good question.
Yeah, like. I mean, because I think those

(01:10:27):
like it's important because, andI, I mean we, we have like the
books and stuff like that, like,because it's a part of like
things like we grew up, we saw the wrong in the South.
Jillian's been on Splash Mountain, you know, like and
like, where are these charactersfrom?
Right. And it's so I, I get it.
I totally understand and I totally agree.

(01:10:49):
I I'm not saying it's problem. I'm not saying it's not
problematic, but it's unfortunately it was Quote UN
quote. OK, good.
Old fun. Well, I mean, but you also have
to remember it hasn't even been 70 years since segregation was

(01:11:13):
abolished. So I mean, like that, that's,
that's wild. But I think that it excuses some
people who were children during a lot of that time.
I agree. I I.
I, you know, it's like, I get what you're saying.
I get what you're, you know, like.
Today. Absolutely not, I thought you

(01:11:36):
said. Something happened today.
I'm like, what the fuck happened?
No, no, no, no. Oh no.
Absolutely not. No, no.
But like, I mean, I don't know. Knowing what we know now and
being the wonderful people that we are, I get it.
It's a white perspective. You're the problem, Sir.

(01:11:57):
I mean, I didn't say. Earlier I was I was going to
reference. Something we were.
Talking about right before we started recording, which is
about me promoting my own bullshit, but exactly.
So yeah, you're you're. Like Michael Rappaport.
I'm not. So here's the thing.
So my random week is. Going to be on my.
I bet it is. I used to think Michael.

(01:12:17):
Rapport was fucking hilarious because the reason why is one of
my favorite like corny ass things.
He's a corny ass white guy and alot of ways was the old MTV rock
and jock stuff, specifically therock and jock basketball.
That was something I found rightwhen I started loving basketball
in the late 90s. And he used to be at every

(01:12:40):
single game because he's a huge basketball fan.
He's a huge Knicks fan. I think I still have his book.
I haven't read and probably never will at this point.
Or actually, I think I might have actually gotten rid of it
and he used to be talking so much trash.
I'll see if I can find it on YouTube.
It's actually very funny. It's a compilation of him just
being so fucking bad at this that like, it sucks to like know

(01:13:03):
now. Like you can't even really like
laugh at these things because ofjust what a fucking insane idiot
he is. He's going to be on the next
season of the Traitors and I'm not looking forward to it
because it's not going to be funny in a Tom Sandoval way.
It's going to be sad in a remember when this guy was like
just the bad thing in movies? And now he's just the like
microcosm of the bad thing in society.

(01:13:26):
So yeah, that's that's my ran ofthe week is Michael Rapaport.
Give him another LVP 'cause we somehow he didn't somehow hasn't
gotten the other movies we've watched him in thus far.
So good. Good for him I think.
He wasn't the LVP of True Romance, was he?
I. I doubt who the fuck.
Was the LVP of True Romance. I'm going to find it before you.
I love finding things before you.

(01:13:49):
I'm already here. And the LVP of True romance was
Eric Alan. Kramer Who the fuck's?
Eric Alan Kramer, I don't know anything else on Bamboozled.
Eric, Alan. Kramer is.
Who is he playing? Let me see.

(01:14:09):
Let me see the guy. And I'll know exactly who he is.
Let me see I. Have no idea who the fuck.
That guy. See, that's what I'm.
Saying let me look. Oh, I know he is.
I know he is. He's the, he's the ponytail guy.
Is he the ponytail? Guy yeah, I don't like.
Cops that guy. I'm bleeding, man.
It's a he's, he's the security guy in the big shootout.
Oh yeah, he's that guy. Yeah, that guy sucks.

(01:14:33):
That's how. Bad you have to be to beat
Michael Rappaport being bad at amovie.
Real bad. He's been in a lot of shit.
Though I can't. Hey man, he's a big.
Fucking ponytail doofus. Fuck you.
I just like your text so score lock in.
You gave it A7 half at the startwould.
Excuse me. What are you doing?

(01:14:53):
Oh, you sneezed on it? I think I got to keep it.
I'm tempted to go up a little bit.
His name is Boris. Boris, that's what it was.
Boris is. A character, like I said.
There's parts of this movie thatare literally like a nine and a
half ten. Oh my God, yeah.
I. I mean, I think it's a game
changer for me and it's I'm trying, I'm trying to.

(01:15:14):
Like do the math in my head if it's that good.
But then there's other stuff that's but it's also like, like
a lot. Of the commentary in it is and,
and the fact that this was also 25 years ago and this is
something I did want to bring upand we haven't had a chance.
I know we're running long and I'm so sorry, but I just want to
talk about like this. And then, like a lot of the
storytelling that, like, Jordan Peele is doing, for example,

(01:15:37):
over the, you know, more recent few years about, you know, the
black experience, being black, what that means in society and
everything. And I don't think we haven't
watched all of Jordan Peele's movies for the show, but two out
of three. Two out of three.

(01:15:57):
Which I think both got rather high scores.
I get out was a 10 get out of 10and.
Us was a little bit lower and the Nope is.
Currently on. Our can't pick list because it
wasn't. Selected but.
Yeah, but. You know, I, I think that this
I. Don't want to say it was a.
Star Because I'm going to be honest again, I'm not Spike

(01:16:19):
Lee's target audience. So I can't, I can't opine all
this is the first Spike Lee. Movie we've watched and we have
plenty we still have to get through.
I know do. The right thing.
Absolutely Bloods, absolutely Black Klansmen, Malcolm X I'm
missing one. I've oh, I'm sorry.
We did watch. Inside man, but that's totally

(01:16:39):
different. That's that's that it is a Spike
Lee movie, but is that was a Spike.
Lee Movie for me. Well, sure, rather than you know
what I mean. Yes, this is just.
Like that was a. More mainstream what also it.
Wasn't something that he wrote himself.
He got, he got paid to make thatmovie.
It's not like any other thing. As he should.

(01:17:00):
Have. Yeah.
So I just think that. Had I seen this?
Before I saw any of the Jordan Peele movies, Yeah.
I just think it would have it would have changed a lot of my
perspective on things. And I think this was ahead of
its time. Oh, 1000.
Percent but. But it wasn't because it it was
needed then, but it's still relevant now, so you're locking

(01:17:23):
in seven. And 1/2 No, I'm not.
I'm. Going to raise it to an 8.
I was. Also going to raise it to an 8
just so I was doing this. I'm like it.
I'm like it's, I'm like it's telling is so.
Good that I can forgive it for Jada Pinkett Smith being Jada
Pinkett Smith. I think it's really, really good
in the movie and Michael Rapport.
Right. And Michael Rappaport be Michael
Rappaport and the ending sucking.
But I was like, there's some stuff.

(01:17:43):
In this movie that is even the stuff that's bad, like I get
what it's reaching for. So like if there's some stuff
that's like A5 and there's some stuff to me that's a 10, I'll
give it the roundup and and giveit the eight because the stuff
that the 10, in my opinion, likeit was, we didn't dig.
Deep. Into.
It's just hard to. Do that deep into those.
Two or three minstrel scenes. Minstrel show tapings, like what

(01:18:06):
they're doing in those scenes isreally incredible.
Any of the fucking roots there is the fucking band.
I mean, it was all. Beautiful it is.
It is so such big you're. Telling hard to.
Watch while being pristine. Agree.
Totally agree it. Is almost so good to like you

(01:18:26):
totally understand why in the reality of the world why it's a
success like it is really well done and it's fucking disgusting
that imagine with the the time and the energy and the effort
and the resources that are put into it.
What could be done in this reality if this wasn't the idea

(01:18:46):
that got thumbs up. Are you are you talking?
About the movie or you're talking about society today and
I think that that's all you needto say about it.
So with eight for. Bamboozled is the score, so next
you happy tope. Just kidding, Samantha.
Kidding, he ain't seen this fucking movie.
The last movie told me I saw with a black person.

(01:19:06):
It was Jingle All the Way. So next week we'll be.
Happy Gilmore, you watch. Get out.
He did. I know he did.
He's he's watched. It or he?
Or he represents it. I love.
You tope. Happy Gilmore 2 will be next

(01:19:28):
week and then we have The Hateful 8 coming up.
We have a Cross Universe coming up and we have whatever movie I
select from your nomination. Oh no, I completely.
Forgot I always do. So nominate 2 movies please.
Oh no. Sir, Yes ma'am.
OK, I'm going to nominate 2 movies here today during this

(01:19:49):
time. Oh, this movie we've already
watched. I should delete this from my
list. I think I've already nominated
this movie. I'm going to delete that from my
list. Oh, I did nominate that one.
I don't need surfs up to Wave Mania already, right?
You did. OK, so I just deleted that.
Did I nominate the Captain Underpants movie?
Yeah, the first movie I don't believe you have.

(01:20:11):
OK, well, I'm going to nominate.Captain Underpants, the first
movie and I'm going to nominate Dungeons and Dragons on Amongst
Thieves. Interesting.
I'm going to pick Dungeons and Dragons because there are I, I,
I just really want. You to get into it.
Oh, I won't. But so bad.
But on the movie subreddit that I'm on all the time, there is

(01:20:32):
inevitably, I feel like every other week, a a topic that is
What is a movie that is so good that was supposed to start a
franchise that just didn't, and it just didn't.
And that is always one of the top fucking results.
Of course. DND movie, yeah.
So we. Watched dungeons and Dragons,
I'm very excited. Sorry, Jillian.

(01:20:53):
Also I've seen Captain in her pants enough the like I'm like I
could take a break from from that movie so at least you
didn't have to finish. Reading Super Diaper Baby.
Super diaper baby. You know that puppy monkey baby
commercial? That's what I was trying to do.
I I, I heard it. So we'll have D and.
Was it the? They gave it away, got it dead

(01:21:17):
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