May 12, 2025 • 25 mins
Matty & Cooper praise Isaiya Katoa's ball playing, Latrell Mitchell owning the big moments & the guys weigh in on Origin selections.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, Coop's great round of football fantastic, some great performances.
Special mention of Stephen Crichton. I thought, do you know
watching Crichton twenty four years of age? He's only twenty four,
I thought, who does to remind me of just his size, presence,
skill and his leadership? Mate? Oh he no, someone else
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who works in this building, that Maulmininger. Yeah, he reminds
me he actually mail. As far as his presence, I.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Can't give this kid, he's not a kid, he's a
man enough credit for what he did on the weekend.
I think first step was Sirealdo, smart footy coach, knew
what he had to say at halftime, knew what they
had to fix, and he goes to Stephen Crichton says, mate,
I need you to fix it for me. He goes
out in the ten minute bursts and literally, this isn't
against the team at the bottle of Ladder, flimsy defense.
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This is up against the rock solid Canberra team who
were playing very, very good, and he threw that team
on his back. Some of his runs the ability to
just influence the game. And then once he got going
kick out on the other side, started to get going
and that moment was a second half round ten down
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in Canberra. Put that down as a little moment for
the Bulldogs this year because I think they should go
from here and Camra Ray is very a good team.
I hope they haven't been scarred by that. But hell
of a performance.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well done to camera, soeraldo. A couple of weeks ago,
we had Toby Sexton and Max King on the shower
and before the show it was the game. When they
got they got belted? Who belted them? They go Broncos
Broncos And I said, geez, how was half time for
thirty six? I said, it was amazing? He said Cameron
walked into the dressing room. He was really really calm
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and he actually he said sounds They said, sounds strange,
But he actually gave us a lot of confidence coming
to the second half. And I suppose that's perfect, perfect
evidence of how he can.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think he's got that team in the party's handswer
all they followed by Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
They're doing some good things.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Hey, conservative request people just curious. So we oftentimes, in
relation to Isaah cat Tol, we talk about telling a
lie with the football and you know, he's looking in
and playing out and why exactly that works?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, you taught me, your brother's taught a lot of
other halves, but the whole play in or look into,
play out, telling that lie like did you start?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Where's that come from? Now? We got taught it from
Alan Bell, who I spoken about a lot, and yep,
the real the only the real half. And what he
would he'd follow us something from training and just sit
sometimes an hour or two on the couch and just
show us players. And he showed us. He said, like,
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just watch this principle. He said, when you go to
the line and you've got a legitimate blake inside you're
thinking about like that, he said, the moment you look in,
he said, the outside defenders they will either they'll flex
out or they'll push in, depending on where they think
the ball is going to go. And they said, so
when you look in, what they'll do is you know
that might be me looking in there. They'll all of
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a sudden they go their man. When I look in,
they'll watch and they'll actually start to gravitate in and
they'll take their eyes off their man gravitating and that
loves them susceptible. And I reckon the penny dropped with
me with myself was a practical experience I have with it.
We're playing the Broncos and I found myself. You know,
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they hit short and they rip around the other stuff
coming around the other side. I found myself left center,
opposite Steve Ranoff fair sale, shitting myself. But Kevy comes.
Kenny rips around the short side right, and she was
probably from a far post. He rips around and he's
got alp and his inside pocket. And I'm opposite Pearl right,
and I know what Pearl wants to do. Pearl going
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to go an outline as he does beaten on the outside.
As Kevy gets the ball and he's looking at Pearl,
but suddenly he just glances in only a little glance
at Alf. And what happens when he glances at Alf.
I glance in as well at Alf and when I
look up, look back, Pearl's gone. He's on it. He's
picked him up on the appall.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So the context of it is when you look in,
you're actually telling a lie of defenders to say, hey,
rotate your shoulders in and look what I'm looking at,
because in a split second, I'm going to bounce back
out and catch you on the outside. So Alan Bell
taught you. You and your brother have taught a lot
of harves through my generation. But there was a moment
on the weekend. Isaiah Cartai has done it better than
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most over over a.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Period of time. This here is absolute top shell from
a young kid.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He over exaggerates the inside to a point that Mitchell
Mo's in that right edge of the paramatter El is
turned completely in and he catches them on the outside. Now, Cartel,
when he looks in right now, look Mitch, Moses turns
in with his shoulders and he bounces back out and
Moses gone like that is I don't think we've seen
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better ball playing than that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's as good as get. You don't get better than that.
That's Gavin Miller style playmaking and keeps you know other
things that we worked on during that time. It's hard
to explain now it's sort of gonna need to take
it down to a field to really get it. Is
the rail shape when we said one's really important here
with Katoa is that the man on the inside. That
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was a legitimate option. You just can't go sauntering the
line and just got he's got You've actually really got
it in your mind thinking you're going to put him
away on the inside and keeps we we used to
call it a rail, meaning the fact that you would
just go straight, dead straight between the am b de
fender and your whole mission when you yelled out rail
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was to put Billy away on that inside ball. But
after two steps, when you realize, and you do because
you've got good instincts, when you drive past the markers,
if you're looking at Slater to put him away on
the inside, suddenly you realize that that option's covered. When
you yelled out rail, Ryan Hoffman would jem the hole
outside the second defender, and so that opened up both
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options for you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Repetition of being the right place at the right time.
But before the ball was even caught in your hands,
you know if you're playing inside to slaughter because there
was space second market down slow in between the first defender.
If that space closed down, all you did was tell
an absolute light here and then bounce back out. There's
a moment the cartel this year as well, just to
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give the contrast of when you don't look into play
out the effect of it that it can have because
he did it well on the weekend, and this one
against South's same field position, but no inside support, no
legitimate look inside and plays the outside and look at
all the South City defenders. They just lay off knowing
that he's going to one position on the field. Now,
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I'm not saying if you hadn't looked in and played
out that he scores a trial, sets up a try.
But the contrast of this is exactly what we're trying
to get across. Is the exaggeration of the inside helped
that on the previous occasion that time then there was
no exaggeration, no threat to go inside, no threat to run,
and the defence just laid off.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But they're comfortable and that glance in I what to do.
There's no hard and fast rule as far as mate,
They're going to come outside, inn't you? When you glance
in and when you tell a lie with the football,
whether it's you're looking out to pass in or vice versa,
in to pass out, what it does it disorientates the
defense line. The defenders in effect lose their bearings. Is
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that they're up the square, he's you've got your mark,
who's your man? But all of a sudden, the playmaker
looks in and they look in that half a second
they look in, they just lose their defensive bearings.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And on the flip side we saw the opposite. So
that's looking to play out. But the Melbourne Storm did
to the Tigers. There's sixty four points or whatever it was.
They did a lot of looking out to play a game.
They went straight through the Tigers.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's funny sixty four points and the wingers down score
a try. It just shows you where their compass was.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Because like, there's two reasons for that, in my opinion. One,
Craig Bellamy made the Melbourne Storm aggressive and direct in
the way that he coached their team. They weren't getting
fluffy with the way they were going to play the Tigers.
They were going nice and straight and aggressive. And the
other thing that helped was the Tigers they defended like
fence paling. What I mean by that is they were
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literally just stationary. There no line speed. It just sat
there and instead of going pass past pass, which a
fence paling defense wants you to if you play direct
and a short pass. The reason why Pabo had four triers,
the reason why Munster and Hughes lit it up. Is
what you'll find is Monster Hughes ran the football or
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did a short pass back to back touches. Then the
outside to play in. There is the outside to look in,
to look out to play in. So they had it
on a string yesterday and this is look at that.
That's line look out, play back in through the middle.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Because that's the thing we've spoken about this. The area
of defensive vulnerability is in and around those rucks. You
know those big guys in the middle of the rucks,
they're working their backside of they're leading yardage. They're the
ones making the majority of the tackles. They're the blows
that are vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And the Tiger's defense had big gaps between bodies. And
then what the Melbourne Storm did, particularly the halves, they
attacked the person then skip to that space and the
other defenders didn't move.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They were just stationary.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's like they were static, like a fence paling and
they just went straight through the front door.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
We're didn't talk about blade to lung in a second.
Fantastic performance from him. It was almost like you're waiting.
You know, I've seen you play great games or terrific games.
In first grade, but as an outside back of paramounter
for him to go in the halves. It was his
breakthrough game. Elevates Latrello pretty handy twenty minutes. That last
twenty minutes, he just just took the game.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I got so much for respectful Latrella. How he can
influence a performance. Try savor here on Mariner trysaver On.
I think it was pain has as well that to
be able to do that in driving rain, to kick
that ball fifty five on the fly, like, there's not
too many people that can do that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But for me, having played with and against.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Latrell over a period of time, he is how going
to say this the best moments player we have. What
I mean by that is if there is a moment
like he can deliver, can be quiet in between, but
when the big moment arrives, he can deliver. There. I
was watching the game and it was a second kick
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return I think, and Latrell catches a ball. He's got
sort of outside back there, much smaller carry, he runs
straight into paint half. I remember watching go on. Actually
that's not what Latrell it does. So there's a little
sign early on that he was up for something. Because
I was watching going Actually that's when the trail plays well.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He does things like that, and they needed him. That's
the thing. There was no there's a lot of injuries,
so I was looking down the barrel. Five losses in
a row and the importance of that. You know what Wayne,
as we know, is pretty understateable. Like if you went
to Wayne and said, oh, mate, five in a row,
and he'd go and sort of thrift. It's not important.
It's early in the season. But the importance of that
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game was Wayne bringing Steve war into camp and having
under the team. And that's that's Wayne, as far as
I know. It doesn't really usually do that sort of stuff.
It just showed you the importance of that game. And
and Latrell knew it goal.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Kicking too, like he kicked. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It was a specially what it was a it's called
a fourteen twenty minute period.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That back end place place to lane sider player one try,
four try assist. We said last week you could see
the combinations start form. Well, the combination is starting to
form between Blaze and Nathan no better example and Coops.
I don't think it's any coincidence that the moment that
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but that Nathan started playing really direct again was the
moment that we saw Blades start to impact.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I think Blazes to Lungey has had sort of moments
at Paramatta in the Penrith Jersey of like, this kid's
got some talent, but this one here is the first
try he sets up. There's one that Luke Garness scores
in a second that this is an impact of Nathan
Cleary on Blaze to Lungey. This is, hey, Blaze, come
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with me down the forty fee We're going to do
some practice. When Nathan steps off his left. See how
that is exactly the same ye Blaze has been working with.
Nathan said, when I do this, I want you to
do that when you get your target defender. So it's
the reason why Blaze lung he probably went to Penrith
is to have a coach in Nathan Cleary next him
on the field to say, hey, you've got some top
end stuff. I've seen it, but you work with me.
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He can improve in this and you'll have a breakout
game like that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That that that really direct run from Nathan. It's it
creates for Blaze a lot of times a slight numerical
advantage which then makes the defense just hold fraction and
gives him opportunity, also creates We just see that that
little corridor when he when he laid the triumph for Papaali.
That Nathan playing straight looking short out the back to
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Blaze who rips around akin straight and it just opens
a little corridor for him.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, great space. That's what Nathan's trying to do and
make it easier for Blaze so when his vision ces space,
he can react to it much better. Nathan pointing arrow
straight in the way that he plays, and just even
the way that they pass the ball the same. Don't
plant their feet outside leg not planned and over that
left leg.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We're going to dive into state of origin. He's talked
about some stuff he's going to talk about mentioned Nick
our heines. I just want to give him a mention
he deserves. He's playing great football, a lot less coming around,
a lot less on sweeps, more standing, playing a first
receiver role up on the rock line, and.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I like, he's going to Nicker and he's going to
fuel Blake. Nicker charges hards, Skittle's defenders quick play the ball,
split Fnel, Blake hard to handle, don't get out the
back of Cam mcginners stand up first receiver for those
two play if one carries.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Probably laying, good, straight talking Queensland state of origin side.
Give some injuries going on, some players out of form,
who's your starting spine?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
So we got no Welsh, Ben Hunt.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Out, Harry possibly Harry Well.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think I think Harry is going to be there,
so I'm going to put Harry in there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
DC. He's going through a bit of a form.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Fight here at the moment in terms of manly, but
I still think he's the seven Munster and I think
Calebn Pongery my man out in.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
The back mainly at the moment, Gess just to detour
for it. There's no doubt that this is that the
whole DC thing that has gone on the last couple
of weeks has impacted him.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think he's had the right intentions Cherry Evans and
no one still doesn't know what he's doing, but I
think it's got to the point where like he probably.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Needs to just get it out there and move.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And the origin part to me is he's a captain
of Queensland. He's had a really good REP career at
the back end of it. This potentially he needs to
stand up because that's my starting spot. It's Ponger Munster,
Dc Grant.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's pretty decent, pretty decent the rookie because Billy likes
to bring places Welsh a couple of years ago. He
brought the hammer in a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, like when you talk about there's a bit of
back road Joscelyn around, Trent Liero could be there on
a bench something that I think Kurk kate Well has
great flexibility, so he could be on that bench cover.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
But someone like Pikra like he.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
There's no Dave Fea, so you're looking for like this
back roller who could play in the middle that can
hit hard, carry strong. Might be a chance to getting
a spot on the bench and maybe his day, but
he could have a little bit of an impact.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
As a rookie.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
For me, what do you think who's going to be
the player this year for Queensland.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So I've got did it on the bench on the
bench for that cover. Ben hunts up there whatever, he
will just not let down Queensland. So I just put
him out there and let him do his thing. But
I think if I had to pick up my moment
or the player of the series.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Like, it's got to be Monster.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
He's in good form, he's as fit as he's ever been,
and he has got I'm not saying he's Wily Lewis,
but he has got like moments like him, Like he's
got moments like the good origin players have where he says,
I want the ball and he can deliver. And I
think after losing last year, I reckon Monster's our man Coop.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So I think you can absolutely say Monster and Wally
in the same sentence. If you look at Monster's state
of origin record, what he's done from his debut even
to the point during the COVID years, basically off a
couple of days off the source after win the Grand Final,
will be the player of the series.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I just don't like compairing sort of generations all things
like that, but he has definitely got characteristics like Wall
and over to your mob, what do you got?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Who's the heart? Give me the helps, give me the hearts.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, look, if I'm naming it now, like the obvious
one is clear of Moses, but it comes with a
bit of a warning. I mean, it appears perfect, but
there is always a danger. A picking two chief playmakers
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together because one has to suppress themselves a little bit,
you know, And so there's an argument to saying, you
know Cleary Leui, I mean they have got a relationship
and a combination that has been formed. Leui is he's
a pure six, although he's playing in that primary playmaking
role at the Tigers. So there's a school of thought
of that. And I go back to I want your
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thoughts to when you played alongside j two because it
was very, very similar. Is if you go back to
going back in time here, but ninety ninety a perfect example.
On a kangaroo tour. They're up against Great Britain at
Wembley in game one and the two best players in
the world at that point were Alan Langer and Ricky Stewart.
So Bob Fulton had a decision to make and then
finally went, you know what, I'm going to put him
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in together, Alfred halfback, Ricky at six. It just didn't work. Work,
it didn't work. It was oil and water.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, Well, I think for me it's Cleary and Moses
and it's Laurie's job to realize that the new South
Wales Blues Jersey is more important than the individual performance
and heroics.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
So using my experience with Thurston and Lucky at different stages,
the thing that I had in my favor we had
was Cameron, Billy myself right, So didn't no matter if
it was the thirty fifth minute of the seventy eighth.
We could fall into rhythm. And when Karen picked the
ball up on his left side and hesitated, I knew
he was bouncing back to the right and Billy reacted
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to that. The thing about John O is Johnno was
the chief guy for the Cowboys for the whole time.
When he sat there and wanted the ball, I had
to make sure that he got the ball because when
he wanted it, he saw something. So it was my
job to maybe flip from the other side of the
field to get the ball to Johnno. But the thing
that made us work together was that the Queensland origin
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Jersey was way more important than any individual and that's
Lurie's job. That's exactly what mel. He didn't say that
to us, but when you arrived in camp you realized,
yes we're both sevens, yes we both want to be chief.
But what's more important, of course than for Queensland or
being the chief.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right, And I think clearly, and Moses, I.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Think, yeah, what about Jake Travoyovich.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This is Jake is such a sweetheart, and everyone loves
the people who are leaving Jake out. You can They
always start with oh, and then they say, but god, God,
you know, I'll tell you now right. I have a
discussion yesterday with a bloke this we're having a bit
of a chat of all things. Wasn't rugby league and
we're talking about you know, in the turn going into
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the twentieth century, the two rules of war used to be.
It was a British Prime minister the one said that.
He said, real number one don't invade Afghanistan. Real number
two is don't invade but Afghanistan. Right now, that lesson
has origin. Now I'll tell you right now that lesson
hasn't been heeded. That's that's an old people have learned
over a long time. Yet people don't learn it. We
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seend the Soviets going in there, and then we went
in there, and every time someone goes in it's they
just don't. It's never a success. The rules of state
of origin football, from the Blues point of view is
don't get rid of Jake Voyevich. Two rules Jaja voivis,
don't ax him, don't get rid of him, because because Coops,
it's been done before, and almost every time that he's
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been left out of the side or been asked, he's
been put in the side for the next game.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Because spirit that right, because he's that's the spirit that's right,
be course, because you know, regardless, you know, you look
at those without Jake tr Voivig.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We've got the talent, yes, you know, I got the toughness,
Yes we got yeah this yep, yep, yep. But when
he's in the side, he just gives an injection of
emotion and spirit.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Next question, yep, is he a captain or do you
start him?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I do start him. He doesn't have to be my captain.
You know, he doesn't need to see alongside his name
for me, that's not important one. But I do start him.
I do start him in the side. I I'm really
conscious that if we go, if we gave Cleary and Moses,
I want to make sure that the start of the game,
we're not going to We're not going to start by
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playing two weast west and too much passing. So I
start with Jake and I bring Isaiah off the bench,
keep Isaiah out of that early stuff, and then bring
him on after about twenty twenty five minutes and then
start to play a little bit more football. But I want,
particularly at the start of the game, I actually want
to see Nathan run the football more than pass. I
want to see more running than passing to get himself
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because that's when I see Nathan start the game and
start to take some bumps and get hit, That's when
I gave okay, he's on and he's got his campass right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then Isaiao comes on and provides that ability to
promote the ball.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Does a little bit more of the football. But I'll
pick Jake because you know, he's not in great form.
He's not a spring chicken anymore. But when I look
over at the other Barker, what Coeensley have done over
he is they would pick players who are terrible forms
sometimes rout his here, and they put him in and
he performed. You know, gil mister might be struggling little bit,
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but they put him in and he performs. And for me,
Jake vorbish is one of those players back line, back line,
and look, there's going to be you know, talks about
fitness and all that sort of stuff. Let me just
pick a side on the surface, what I would do
on Dylan Edwards at fullback. On the wings, I'd had
Tom Travoyvitch and one wing on the other wing. Next
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week is going to be a shootout between Brighton Toe
and Lomax. Lomax comes back. I thought, there's no doubt
that Brian looked underdone. He would be, he hasn't played
a lot of football, but it would be one of
those two. And in the center it's simple Stephen Krecht
and Latroll Mitchell. And when I look at those blokes,
when I look at I look at Dylan Edwards, Tom Travoyevitch,
Toe of Lomax, Stephen Krech and Latroll Mitchell. And then
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I look at myhalves and go Moses and Cleary and
I just go, they just can't beat us.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That's that's what in my mind I say. I just look.
I look at the talent of that side, you know,
but you know there's leadership there. There's some very very
special players in that group.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And you just mentioned you've got the seventeen best players
in the world playing for New South Wales. So who's
the one that stands out? I went, Munster, who have
you got the counter monster?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh Cleary, Yeah, I think this will be his serious.
I think it'll be his serious. And if I had
an X factor player, like if we talk him at
X factor our fourteen, for instance, it's Connor because the
side that I would pick, I would not have a
person when I looked at the side and I penned
a few things down and things might change and whatnot,
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but I didn't have a player that if they could
slip into that dummy half roll. Yeah, so the fourteenth
for me has got to be Connor Watson. But I
see you, mate, if I'm if I'm Laurry Daily, I'm
sitting there yesterday going excuse me, I'm actually going, holy
holy hell. How do I get Pappenhausen into my seventeen?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I watch, you have the seventeen best players in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, I know we can do with the and yeah,
and we said last week about Toroll. Mate, my temptation
would be to put to Rome in the seventeen, but
the first game is up in a sun Corps stadium.
I'd actually have Terrell eighteenth man and just led him
experience the build up outside of being a starter.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I I thought that Torell May's original audition was against
Melbourne Storm to go down to Melbourne play their home
deck after a big loss. Yeah yeah, after that performance,
I think he's taken a back seat.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah yeah, I'd have him. I'd still have him in
the squad. I'd have him eighteenth men to get up
there and just sample it first time around, right, our coops.
Well that's the stat of Orogen series. Done and dusted,
Blues three nil. Thanks for coming brother. I can imagine made.
I can imagine the courier mail bomba bdew would be
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just there out to make front page disrespect.
Well, Coop's great round of football fantastic, some great performances.
Special mention of Stephen Crichton. I thought, do you know
watching Crichton twenty four years of age? He's only twenty four,
I thought, who does to remind me of just his size, presence,
skill and his leadership? Mate? Oh he no, someone else
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who works in this building, that Maulmininger. Yeah, he reminds
me he actually mail. As far as his presence, I.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Can't give this kid, he's not a kid, he's a
man enough credit for what he did on the weekend.
I think first step was Sirealdo, smart footy coach, knew
what he had to say at halftime, knew what they
had to fix, and he goes to Stephen Crichton says, mate,
I need you to fix it for me. He goes
out in the ten minute bursts and literally, this isn't
against the team at the bottle of Ladder, flimsy defense.
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This is up against the rock solid Canberra team who
were playing very, very good, and he threw that team
on his back. Some of his runs the ability to
just influence the game. And then once he got going
kick out on the other side, started to get going
and that moment was a second half round ten down
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in Canberra. Put that down as a little moment for
the Bulldogs this year because I think they should go
from here and Camra Ray is very a good team.
I hope they haven't been scarred by that. But hell
of a performance.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well done to camera, soeraldo. A couple of weeks ago,
we had Toby Sexton and Max King on the shower
and before the show it was the game. When they
got they got belted? Who belted them? They go Broncos
Broncos And I said, geez, how was half time for
thirty six? I said, it was amazing? He said Cameron
walked into the dressing room. He was really really calm
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and he actually he said sounds They said, sounds strange,
But he actually gave us a lot of confidence coming
to the second half. And I suppose that's perfect, perfect
evidence of how he can.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think he's got that team in the party's handswer
all they followed by Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
They're doing some good things.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Hey, conservative request people just curious. So we oftentimes, in
relation to Isaah cat Tol, we talk about telling a
lie with the football and you know, he's looking in
and playing out and why exactly that works?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, you taught me, your brother's taught a lot of
other halves, but the whole play in or look into,
play out, telling that lie like did you start?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Where's that come from? Now? We got taught it from
Alan Bell, who I spoken about a lot, and yep,
the real the only the real half. And what he
would he'd follow us something from training and just sit
sometimes an hour or two on the couch and just
show us players. And he showed us. He said, like,
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just watch this principle. He said, when you go to
the line and you've got a legitimate blake inside you're
thinking about like that, he said, the moment you look in,
he said, the outside defenders they will either they'll flex
out or they'll push in, depending on where they think
the ball is going to go. And they said, so
when you look in, what they'll do is you know
that might be me looking in there. They'll all of
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a sudden they go their man. When I look in,
they'll watch and they'll actually start to gravitate in and
they'll take their eyes off their man gravitating and that
loves them susceptible. And I reckon the penny dropped with
me with myself was a practical experience I have with it.
We're playing the Broncos and I found myself. You know,
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they hit short and they rip around the other stuff
coming around the other side. I found myself left center,
opposite Steve Ranoff fair sale, shitting myself. But Kevy comes.
Kenny rips around the short side right, and she was
probably from a far post. He rips around and he's
got alp and his inside pocket. And I'm opposite Pearl right,
and I know what Pearl wants to do. Pearl going
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to go an outline as he does beaten on the outside.
As Kevy gets the ball and he's looking at Pearl,
but suddenly he just glances in only a little glance
at Alf. And what happens when he glances at Alf.
I glance in as well at Alf and when I
look up, look back, Pearl's gone. He's on it. He's
picked him up on the appall.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So the context of it is when you look in,
you're actually telling a lie of defenders to say, hey,
rotate your shoulders in and look what I'm looking at,
because in a split second, I'm going to bounce back
out and catch you on the outside. So Alan Bell
taught you. You and your brother have taught a lot
of harves through my generation. But there was a moment
on the weekend. Isaiah Cartai has done it better than
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most over over a.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Period of time. This here is absolute top shell from
a young kid.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He over exaggerates the inside to a point that Mitchell
Mo's in that right edge of the paramatter El is
turned completely in and he catches them on the outside. Now, Cartel,
when he looks in right now, look Mitch, Moses turns
in with his shoulders and he bounces back out and
Moses gone like that is I don't think we've seen
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better ball playing than that.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's as good as get. You don't get better than that.
That's Gavin Miller style playmaking and keeps you know other
things that we worked on during that time. It's hard
to explain now it's sort of gonna need to take
it down to a field to really get it. Is
the rail shape when we said one's really important here
with Katoa is that the man on the inside. That
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was a legitimate option. You just can't go sauntering the
line and just got he's got You've actually really got
it in your mind thinking you're going to put him
away on the inside and keeps we we used to
call it a rail, meaning the fact that you would
just go straight, dead straight between the am b de
fender and your whole mission when you yelled out rail
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was to put Billy away on that inside ball. But
after two steps, when you realize, and you do because
you've got good instincts, when you drive past the markers,
if you're looking at Slater to put him away on
the inside, suddenly you realize that that option's covered. When
you yelled out rail, Ryan Hoffman would jem the hole
outside the second defender, and so that opened up both
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options for you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Repetition of being the right place at the right time.
But before the ball was even caught in your hands,
you know if you're playing inside to slaughter because there
was space second market down slow in between the first defender.
If that space closed down, all you did was tell
an absolute light here and then bounce back out. There's
a moment the cartel this year as well, just to
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give the contrast of when you don't look into play
out the effect of it that it can have because
he did it well on the weekend, and this one
against South's same field position, but no inside support, no
legitimate look inside and plays the outside and look at
all the South City defenders. They just lay off knowing
that he's going to one position on the field. Now,
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I'm not saying if you hadn't looked in and played
out that he scores a trial, sets up a try.
But the contrast of this is exactly what we're trying
to get across. Is the exaggeration of the inside helped
that on the previous occasion that time then there was
no exaggeration, no threat to go inside, no threat to run,
and the defence just laid off.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But they're comfortable and that glance in I what to do.
There's no hard and fast rule as far as mate,
They're going to come outside, inn't you? When you glance
in and when you tell a lie with the football,
whether it's you're looking out to pass in or vice versa,
in to pass out, what it does it disorientates the
defense line. The defenders in effect lose their bearings. Is
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that they're up the square, he's you've got your mark,
who's your man? But all of a sudden, the playmaker
looks in and they look in that half a second
they look in, they just lose their defensive bearings.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And on the flip side we saw the opposite. So
that's looking to play out. But the Melbourne Storm did
to the Tigers. There's sixty four points or whatever it was.
They did a lot of looking out to play a game.
They went straight through the Tigers.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's funny sixty four points and the wingers down score
a try. It just shows you where their compass was.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Because like, there's two reasons for that, in my opinion. One,
Craig Bellamy made the Melbourne Storm aggressive and direct in
the way that he coached their team. They weren't getting
fluffy with the way they were going to play the Tigers.
They were going nice and straight and aggressive. And the
other thing that helped was the Tigers they defended like
fence paling. What I mean by that is they were
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literally just stationary. There no line speed. It just sat
there and instead of going pass past pass, which a
fence paling defense wants you to if you play direct
and a short pass. The reason why Pabo had four triers,
the reason why Munster and Hughes lit it up. Is
what you'll find is Monster Hughes ran the football or
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did a short pass back to back touches. Then the
outside to play in. There is the outside to look in,
to look out to play in. So they had it
on a string yesterday and this is look at that.
That's line look out, play back in through the middle.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Because that's the thing we've spoken about this. The area
of defensive vulnerability is in and around those rucks. You
know those big guys in the middle of the rucks,
they're working their backside of they're leading yardage. They're the
ones making the majority of the tackles. They're the blows
that are vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And the Tiger's defense had big gaps between bodies. And
then what the Melbourne Storm did, particularly the halves, they
attacked the person then skip to that space and the
other defenders didn't move.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They were just stationary.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's like they were static, like a fence paling and
they just went straight through the front door.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
We're didn't talk about blade to lung in a second.
Fantastic performance from him. It was almost like you're waiting.
You know, I've seen you play great games or terrific games.
In first grade, but as an outside back of paramounter
for him to go in the halves. It was his
breakthrough game. Elevates Latrello pretty handy twenty minutes. That last
twenty minutes, he just just took the game.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I got so much for respectful Latrella. How he can
influence a performance. Try savor here on Mariner trysaver On.
I think it was pain has as well that to
be able to do that in driving rain, to kick
that ball fifty five on the fly, like, there's not
too many people that can do that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But for me, having played with and against.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Latrell over a period of time, he is how going
to say this the best moments player we have. What
I mean by that is if there is a moment
like he can deliver, can be quiet in between, but
when the big moment arrives, he can deliver. There. I
was watching the game and it was a second kick
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return I think, and Latrell catches a ball. He's got
sort of outside back there, much smaller carry, he runs
straight into paint half. I remember watching go on. Actually
that's not what Latrell it does. So there's a little
sign early on that he was up for something. Because
I was watching going Actually that's when the trail plays well.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He does things like that, and they needed him. That's
the thing. There was no there's a lot of injuries,
so I was looking down the barrel. Five losses in
a row and the importance of that. You know what Wayne,
as we know, is pretty understateable. Like if you went
to Wayne and said, oh, mate, five in a row,
and he'd go and sort of thrift. It's not important.
It's early in the season. But the importance of that
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game was Wayne bringing Steve war into camp and having
under the team. And that's that's Wayne, as far as
I know. It doesn't really usually do that sort of stuff.
It just showed you the importance of that game. And
and Latrell knew it goal.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Kicking too, like he kicked. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It was a specially what it was a it's called
a fourteen twenty minute period.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That back end place place to lane sider player one try,
four try assist. We said last week you could see
the combinations start form. Well, the combination is starting to
form between Blaze and Nathan no better example and Coops.
I don't think it's any coincidence that the moment that
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but that Nathan started playing really direct again was the
moment that we saw Blades start to impact.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I think Blazes to Lungey has had sort of moments
at Paramatta in the Penrith Jersey of like, this kid's
got some talent, but this one here is the first
try he sets up. There's one that Luke Garness scores
in a second that this is an impact of Nathan
Cleary on Blaze to Lungey. This is, hey, Blaze, come
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with me down the forty fee We're going to do
some practice. When Nathan steps off his left. See how
that is exactly the same ye Blaze has been working with.
Nathan said, when I do this, I want you to
do that when you get your target defender. So it's
the reason why Blaze lung he probably went to Penrith
is to have a coach in Nathan Cleary next him
on the field to say, hey, you've got some top
end stuff. I've seen it, but you work with me.
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He can improve in this and you'll have a breakout
game like that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That that that really direct run from Nathan. It's it
creates for Blaze a lot of times a slight numerical
advantage which then makes the defense just hold fraction and
gives him opportunity, also creates We just see that that
little corridor when he when he laid the triumph for Papaali.
That Nathan playing straight looking short out the back to
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Blaze who rips around akin straight and it just opens
a little corridor for him.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, great space. That's what Nathan's trying to do and
make it easier for Blaze so when his vision ces space,
he can react to it much better. Nathan pointing arrow
straight in the way that he plays, and just even
the way that they pass the ball the same. Don't
plant their feet outside leg not planned and over that
left leg.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We're going to dive into state of origin. He's talked
about some stuff he's going to talk about mentioned Nick
our heines. I just want to give him a mention
he deserves. He's playing great football, a lot less coming around,
a lot less on sweeps, more standing, playing a first
receiver role up on the rock line, and.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I like, he's going to Nicker and he's going to
fuel Blake. Nicker charges hards, Skittle's defenders quick play the ball,
split Fnel, Blake hard to handle, don't get out the
back of Cam mcginners stand up first receiver for those
two play if one carries.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Probably laying, good, straight talking Queensland state of origin side.
Give some injuries going on, some players out of form,
who's your starting spine?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
So we got no Welsh, Ben Hunt.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Out, Harry possibly Harry Well.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think I think Harry is going to be there,
so I'm going to put Harry in there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
DC. He's going through a bit of a form.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Fight here at the moment in terms of manly, but
I still think he's the seven Munster and I think
Calebn Pongery my man out in.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
The back mainly at the moment, Gess just to detour
for it. There's no doubt that this is that the
whole DC thing that has gone on the last couple
of weeks has impacted him.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think he's had the right intentions Cherry Evans and
no one still doesn't know what he's doing, but I
think it's got to the point where like he probably.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Needs to just get it out there and move.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And the origin part to me is he's a captain
of Queensland. He's had a really good REP career at
the back end of it. This potentially he needs to
stand up because that's my starting spot. It's Ponger Munster,
Dc Grant.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's pretty decent, pretty decent the rookie because Billy likes
to bring places Welsh a couple of years ago. He
brought the hammer in a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, like when you talk about there's a bit of
back road Joscelyn around, Trent Liero could be there on
a bench something that I think Kurk kate Well has
great flexibility, so he could be on that bench cover.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
But someone like Pikra like he.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
There's no Dave Fea, so you're looking for like this
back roller who could play in the middle that can
hit hard, carry strong. Might be a chance to getting
a spot on the bench and maybe his day, but
he could have a little bit of an impact.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
As a rookie.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
For me, what do you think who's going to be
the player this year for Queensland.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So I've got did it on the bench on the
bench for that cover. Ben hunts up there whatever, he
will just not let down Queensland. So I just put
him out there and let him do his thing. But
I think if I had to pick up my moment
or the player of the series.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Like, it's got to be Monster.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
He's in good form, he's as fit as he's ever been,
and he has got I'm not saying he's Wily Lewis,
but he has got like moments like him, Like he's
got moments like the good origin players have where he says,
I want the ball and he can deliver. And I
think after losing last year, I reckon Monster's our man Coop.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So I think you can absolutely say Monster and Wally
in the same sentence. If you look at Monster's state
of origin record, what he's done from his debut even
to the point during the COVID years, basically off a
couple of days off the source after win the Grand Final,
will be the player of the series.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I just don't like compairing sort of generations all things
like that, but he has definitely got characteristics like Wall
and over to your mob, what do you got?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Who's the heart? Give me the helps, give me the hearts.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, look, if I'm naming it now, like the obvious
one is clear of Moses, but it comes with a
bit of a warning. I mean, it appears perfect, but
there is always a danger. A picking two chief playmakers
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together because one has to suppress themselves a little bit,
you know, And so there's an argument to saying, you
know Cleary Leui, I mean they have got a relationship
and a combination that has been formed. Leui is he's
a pure six, although he's playing in that primary playmaking
role at the Tigers. So there's a school of thought
of that. And I go back to I want your
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thoughts to when you played alongside j two because it
was very, very similar. Is if you go back to
going back in time here, but ninety ninety a perfect example.
On a kangaroo tour. They're up against Great Britain at
Wembley in game one and the two best players in
the world at that point were Alan Langer and Ricky Stewart.
So Bob Fulton had a decision to make and then
finally went, you know what, I'm going to put him
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in together, Alfred halfback, Ricky at six. It just didn't work. Work,
it didn't work. It was oil and water.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, Well, I think for me it's Cleary and Moses
and it's Laurie's job to realize that the new South
Wales Blues Jersey is more important than the individual performance
and heroics.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
So using my experience with Thurston and Lucky at different stages,
the thing that I had in my favor we had
was Cameron, Billy myself right, So didn't no matter if
it was the thirty fifth minute of the seventy eighth.
We could fall into rhythm. And when Karen picked the
ball up on his left side and hesitated, I knew
he was bouncing back to the right and Billy reacted
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to that. The thing about John O is Johnno was
the chief guy for the Cowboys for the whole time.
When he sat there and wanted the ball, I had
to make sure that he got the ball because when
he wanted it, he saw something. So it was my
job to maybe flip from the other side of the
field to get the ball to Johnno. But the thing
that made us work together was that the Queensland origin
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Jersey was way more important than any individual and that's
Lurie's job. That's exactly what mel. He didn't say that
to us, but when you arrived in camp you realized,
yes we're both sevens, yes we both want to be chief.
But what's more important, of course than for Queensland or
being the chief.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right, And I think clearly, and Moses, I.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Think, yeah, what about Jake Travoyovich.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This is Jake is such a sweetheart, and everyone loves
the people who are leaving Jake out. You can They
always start with oh, and then they say, but god, God,
you know, I'll tell you now right. I have a
discussion yesterday with a bloke this we're having a bit
of a chat of all things. Wasn't rugby league and
we're talking about you know, in the turn going into
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the twentieth century, the two rules of war used to be.
It was a British Prime minister the one said that.
He said, real number one don't invade Afghanistan. Real number
two is don't invade but Afghanistan. Right now, that lesson
has origin. Now I'll tell you right now that lesson
hasn't been heeded. That's that's an old people have learned
over a long time. Yet people don't learn it. We
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seend the Soviets going in there, and then we went
in there, and every time someone goes in it's they
just don't. It's never a success. The rules of state
of origin football, from the Blues point of view is
don't get rid of Jake Voyevich. Two rules Jaja voivis,
don't ax him, don't get rid of him, because because Coops,
it's been done before, and almost every time that he's
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been left out of the side or been asked, he's
been put in the side for the next game.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Because spirit that right, because he's that's the spirit that's right,
be course, because you know, regardless, you know, you look
at those without Jake tr Voivig.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We've got the talent, yes, you know, I got the toughness,
Yes we got yeah this yep, yep, yep. But when
he's in the side, he just gives an injection of
emotion and spirit.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Next question, yep, is he a captain or do you
start him?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I do start him. He doesn't have to be my captain.
You know, he doesn't need to see alongside his name
for me, that's not important one. But I do start him.
I do start him in the side. I I'm really
conscious that if we go, if we gave Cleary and Moses,
I want to make sure that the start of the game,
we're not going to We're not going to start by
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playing two weast west and too much passing. So I
start with Jake and I bring Isaiah off the bench,
keep Isaiah out of that early stuff, and then bring
him on after about twenty twenty five minutes and then
start to play a little bit more football. But I want,
particularly at the start of the game, I actually want
to see Nathan run the football more than pass. I
want to see more running than passing to get himself
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because that's when I see Nathan start the game and
start to take some bumps and get hit, That's when
I gave okay, he's on and he's got his campass right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then Isaiao comes on and provides that ability to
promote the ball.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Does a little bit more of the football. But I'll
pick Jake because you know, he's not in great form.
He's not a spring chicken anymore. But when I look
over at the other Barker, what Coeensley have done over
he is they would pick players who are terrible forms
sometimes rout his here, and they put him in and
he performed. You know, gil mister might be struggling little bit,
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but they put him in and he performs. And for me,
Jake vorbish is one of those players back line, back line,
and look, there's going to be you know, talks about
fitness and all that sort of stuff. Let me just
pick a side on the surface, what I would do
on Dylan Edwards at fullback. On the wings, I'd had
Tom Travoyvitch and one wing on the other wing. Next
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week is going to be a shootout between Brighton Toe
and Lomax. Lomax comes back. I thought, there's no doubt
that Brian looked underdone. He would be, he hasn't played
a lot of football, but it would be one of
those two. And in the center it's simple Stephen Krecht
and Latroll Mitchell. And when I look at those blokes,
when I look at I look at Dylan Edwards, Tom Travoyevitch,
Toe of Lomax, Stephen Krech and Latroll Mitchell. And then
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I look at myhalves and go Moses and Cleary and
I just go, they just can't beat us.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That's that's what in my mind I say. I just look.
I look at the talent of that side, you know,
but you know there's leadership there. There's some very very
special players in that group.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And you just mentioned you've got the seventeen best players
in the world playing for New South Wales. So who's
the one that stands out? I went, Munster, who have
you got the counter monster?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh Cleary, Yeah, I think this will be his serious.
I think it'll be his serious. And if I had
an X factor player, like if we talk him at
X factor our fourteen, for instance, it's Connor because the
side that I would pick, I would not have a
person when I looked at the side and I penned
a few things down and things might change and whatnot,
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but I didn't have a player that if they could
slip into that dummy half roll. Yeah, so the fourteenth
for me has got to be Connor Watson. But I
see you, mate, if I'm if I'm Laurry Daily, I'm
sitting there yesterday going excuse me, I'm actually going, holy
holy hell. How do I get Pappenhausen into my seventeen?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I watch, you have the seventeen best players in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, I know we can do with the and yeah,
and we said last week about Toroll. Mate, my temptation
would be to put to Rome in the seventeen, but
the first game is up in a sun Corps stadium.
I'd actually have Terrell eighteenth man and just led him
experience the build up outside of being a starter.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I I thought that Torell May's original audition was against
Melbourne Storm to go down to Melbourne play their home
deck after a big loss. Yeah yeah, after that performance,
I think he's taken a back seat.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah yeah, I'd have him. I'd still have him in
the squad. I'd have him eighteenth men to get up
there and just sample it first time around, right, our coops.
Well that's the stat of Orogen series. Done and dusted,
Blues three nil. Thanks for coming brother. I can imagine made.
I can imagine the courier mail bomba bdew would be
(25:40):
just there out to make front page disrespect.
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