May 26, 2025 • 26 mins
Matty & Cooper on Dogs' decisions after Galvin's arrival, Blues concerns with Stephen Crichton's injury, Daley's SOO playing career & 1995 Maroons' upset.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, Coop, like when Galvin to the Dogs, we spotted
that up Nobbies a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Honestly, well, I'm not surprised by it. I'm surprised how
quickly this has all happened. And so they said the
movie is imminent, They've got to buy this weekend. He'll
make his debut if they pick him in first grade
coops against ironically against Paramatta, the team that he had
the opportunity to go to and knock back.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm not sure what to make of it because if
you look at their list now, like Sexton, Burton, Galvin
man Hey, there's a lot of a lot of ball hands,
the way they play. There's a lot of noise around
Galvin for a young kid, and I think I don't
know if surrender do you think he plays in New
South Wales Cup? Would you put him straight back in? Well,
(00:50):
I would too, yeah, because there's so much noise around
this kid. I don't know what's right. I don't know
what's wrong. But if you're in part of the team
that's on top of the ladder doing all these things
that a team first mentality has right now for the Dogs,
they are besides what happened recently, what they're doing. Geez,
you got to earn your stripes to be in that team.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think it says a lot. I think it says
a lot about the club. But also it's what Saldo
and Gus are saying to the team. If they may
lockey go through New South Will's Cup and Ernie's jersey.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I would like that. I think that is the right
path if he comes straight in over the top. I'm
not sure where he plays, what the style of plays,
and where who fits.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
In the g Let's imagine he doesn't play New South
Wales Cup, so he either plays six thirteen or fourteen.
I'm guessing fourteen. But okay, but that's Bailey Hayward's role.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Who's been very good.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
He's been very very good. There's been noise constantly around Toby.
Toby Sexton, who has been very good the last twelve months,
had a couple of poor performances recently. But you know,
you just don't throw a black and okay in the
trash can who's been good from period of time on
a couple of on the back of a couple of
poor performances. So I don't exactly know where they're going
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to place him. I see him as a sixth in
the next eighteen months. I see him as eventually as
a thirteen.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, I don't think he can play seven right now.
No decision making, kicking game temperament. There's a few things
that Toby Sex is doing well that compliments what the
Dogs are doing. Could he play seven? Look Sirealdo has
a history of working with Nathan Cleary. He's done a
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good job with Sexton to get to him to where
he is. So I'm not going to say that he can't,
but he's going to need a lot of mentorship over
the next two three years before you even consider that, right,
So what do they do now? That's that's a trigger situation.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know, Coops, It's actually an opportunity for Toby. Toby
be looking at the moment going, oh jeez, you know
he's coming to assist meets the end of me with
all the noise and the fact he hasn't been offered
a new contract. But if the Galvin was to come
go to the Bulldogs slip into the six, Jersey Burton
moved somewhere else and he in sext and started, well,
I don't know you Crichton and Cherry there, I don't
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know where they I don't see I don't see Burton's
full that people are saying they could play fullback. I
think kind of Tracy has been fantastic there, But I
just don't see Burton express enough to play to play fullback.
So I don't know. But if he was to go
into the six Jersey and I'm talking about like a
Galvin here and he and Sex and all of a
sudden throwing up this fantastic partnership and they go on
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to run, well, you know, for Toby, that might that
might be the thing that actually gets in the new contract.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
If I was talking to Toby Sex and I would
be saying, don't focus on anything that's being said or
what you think. Focus on the things you've done well,
because what you've done well is the point of difference
to Galvin right now. So keep doing that and force
the dogs to find another option. Yeah, because he is
the only one at the moment who can provide that piece.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
When when the dust settles in a month's time, what
do you think, how does that puzzle settle? I think
I think Burton plays somewhere else. I don't know whether
it's the only.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Other one is is Yeah, maybe it's thirteen because he
is a big body, strong defensive.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Begin to do it, Kurt Man, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Maybe crighton the fullback Burton to the centers, Like there's
a lot to move around.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I mean, the Crichton situation, it's possible. When he originally
went to the Dogs, that was talking he was going
to play full back. I like him in the center
because he's the best defensive, one of the best defensives.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's the best, the best center in the game right now.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, So AnyWho, it'll settle. Yeah, we'll find it. I
just want to make before what we're going to do,
we're going to touch on Origin a little bit. I mean,
we did it last week. We're going to talk about
in focus. I'm going to focus on I'm going to
have a look at Lorie Daly's playing career in Origin.
Before we do that, I wanted to I want to
give a young player, the young fullback at Paramatta. This
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bloke is a really, really special player. We're seeing it
more and more every week. I just want to show
you something from the game. It's actually my Jumblow Jack
who saw this and he called me and said, just
check this out, a really important part of the game
in the second half. Look at this chase bang and
hits Turbo gets the first market. You watch this next
hit bang, like the physicality and then he finds himself
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at marker again and he goes for another one. Now
at this point, fullbacks usually send the wingers back, but
he gets back on his bike to protect the forty twenty.
If they're going for it, takes it. And what's the
physicality in this run? Again? They like, that's a lot
of stuff you don't pick up in the game. Mainly
you pick up the flash stuff. But that says a
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lot about.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That they're the one percent. Is that you could grow
a lot of X factor skills and he's already got
the X factor skills. So I love that he is
underpinning that footwork and the speed that he's got with
that hard nosed approach because he was brilliant on the week,
like what he delivered for that team, toughness, safety, smart,
try scoring like he was very good. And while you
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spotted that from Iongi, I'm going to raise it and
see what the Sharks did against the Roosters. And in
fanel Blake big noise around him in a big game
against the Roosters who are origin affected. This is his
first effort. This is the first set of the game.
I just want you to watch Fanila Blake here, he's
out the back of play. The Roosters are down players,
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Sharks come off a big win against Melbourne. They need
to start fast and knock the Roosters out of confidence.
And this is the effort of Foranila Bloke. We've just
showed Iongi how hard he worked for his team and
got the rewards. And here's Fanil Blake, who's been brilliant
this year, but most of his brilliant work as we
been with ball in him. So that moment there, I
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think Craig Fitzgibven will spot and say, hey, you need
to set the standard from the beginning. Because when Fanila
Blake gets it right and the Sharks were coming against
the Roosters in that second half, I'll show you another
bit of play. Here, steams onto the football like he
shot out of a gun, creates chaos in the Rooster's
defensive line. And what happens Tunle goes down the other
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side double pump play. So I think Craig Fitzgibbons got
a bit of work to do with Phil Blake off
the ball. His efforts and intensity can be influential for
the Sharks to keep going up the ladder.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Probably encapsulated the performance from the Sharks. Yeah, yeah, they
were off just when you're starting to really go right
out here we going.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, they shouldn't have had that effort, considering what they
did against Melbourne the week before, and off the back
of that you picked up Halia Seima and some train
spotting stuff a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, yes, I did left handed, left hand carry right hand,
play the ball.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, Tarban has been watching this show and he's gone,
Matthew John's watched this right hand, Yes, play the ball.
Love it?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Hey, love it. I'll sit with that, yes, because he's
in for the show in to May, and I'll watching
HALLI Suma. I just kept saying, happy, happy, watch his
left hand carry right hand for I think happy was
thinking it is this plog place, which was.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So any players out there that watch the show, just
a bit of left hand right action, play the ball
of whatever?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, have you had a game? You know?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I can't do it. I can't do it. And I
suggest you can't either.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah. Now in focus state of origin. We gave our
predictions last week. Anything changed is what you think about.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I still think months through is the key for Queensland.
I still think there'll be some points scored. One thing
I will say is thinking about, like, what's going to
happen in this game. New South Wales won that play
game won the series with one play at the back
end of last year, and it's would have sat with
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Billy for long period time. I know how Billy reacts
to things, and he'd be sitting in his bunker analyzing
every Queensland play but also picking apart New South Wales
and big games. Billy loved to come up with a player,
a trick shot, something that just threw the opposition out.
I don't know what it will be, but I'm pretty
sure he'll come up with something, either the game plan
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or a trick shot that will sort of try and
roffle the feathers of New South Wales. So keep an
eye on that. But I still think Munster. I think
twenty two fourteen Queensland. I think it's going to be
an entertaining game.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Will be entertaining a game, and earlier today Stephen Crichton
left training, had a nice bag and he's quad, so
we'll find out there. That's a nervous way. He's such
an important player. That combination Latrell, Mitchell and Stephen Crichton,
as far as centers, it's as good as it gets.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Look, they dominate. Do you think Latrell and Steven Kricht
is the point of difference?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I do. I think they're dominate.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm worried. I'm worried.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Look, it's a great combination given the way that Nathan
has been playing. If you watch the way Penwth has
been playing of late and how straight Nathan's been playing,
and like he's been playing so straight, he's been just
basically perling an opposition in short and giving his outside
men so much time and space. With Latrell and Cryton
vis that's yeah, that's a big opportunity there.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Clearing and Moses can connect and condense the middle part
of the defense and create just space for Latrell and Crichton.
I think Hammer and Rob Toyer need to almost have
the toy's debut game, but the best defensive performers ever.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Had you mentioned Billy? I want to talk about Lurie,
not Laurie's coaching, his playing career. A lot of younger
people who come to the game don't remember Laurie as
a player and what he did for New South Wales
as a player. I think when you're talking about you know,
when you talk about Queensland, I took with the greatest
Queensland players is of course Wally Lewis, of course Cameron Smith.
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When it gets to New South Wales, there's blokes at there.
Joey spoken about Bradley, Clyde, Brett, Kenny, Freddie Mate. I
put Lourie just about the top. He's contribution in New
South Wales and basically changing like Queensland dominated for so
long throughout the eighties, but the emergence of those young
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guys from the Green Machine that Canberra era really swung
up back in New South Whil's way and Laurie tippified
that he came in. It was funny. His first series
was in eighty nine right and the great Jack Gibson
was coaching the New South Wales side. Jack knew you
had this kid who was developing. It was going to
be a legend of the game. He just missed it
by twelve months because when he come in Laurie that
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first series, he was really struggled. He talks of I've
spoken to him. I interviewed him about it, and I said,
that first series in eighty nine bad memories, he said,
most terrible. He said, I went in so naive, not
knowing what Origin was about. He was nineteen years of age,
and he said, I was playing center opposite my mentor,
my hero, my teammate, my captain, Malmaninger. And he said naively,
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I went into that game believe him Mal would take
it easier. And he said he he just completely completely
humiliated loss, you know. Talking about his trajectory as a player.
The big turning point for Laurie, I think he's breakouts
as far as being a representative player was City versus
Country nineteen ninety and Country were beaten by two points,
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but Laurie absolutely tore City to shreds and after the
game it was like mate, it was everything changed. He
went into State of Origin that year ninety ninety and
dominated Queensland in the first game. But the big one
when Phil goirled. The big rise with Laurie coops come
when Phil Gould was coach. Gus recognized straight away that
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Laurie's got to be my captain. He elevated him's captain.
But I love this story when you talk about Gus
spoke to him about what did you learn from that
first series? Tell me about that first series, and he
told Gus the story about playing against Mail and Phil
Mali take it easier. I mean how he humiliated him. Anyway,
when he made Laurie captain, he said, they're playing a
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game at lang Park. It's a big game. Got to
be a decider, and he said, I've been the call
to tap on the tap in the dressing room. Mate,
come out. The captain's out to toss the coin, and
Mal is the captain of Corny's land. Anyway, Gus grabbed
him and said this is your time. He said, go
and hide in the toilet. Let Mal wait for you
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out there. So he said, Maol was forced to wait
outside Lorry's hiding in the toilet as a power play.
Mail is just standing out there, made him wait five
minutes and then strolled out. And it was just a statement.
He said, Mao was filthy and mal knew exactly what
he was doing. And then he turned went back into
the sheds. It was a Turning Point and Lorry that
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ninety four series, Laurie completely dominated it to the fact
that Coops they won. I don't know if it was decided,
but they won Game three in a really tough game
at the Sydney Football Stadium and Lorry scored a key
try late. And remember talking to Paul Harrigan the next day,
who was a skipper at Newcastle. He played in that game,
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and it was myself and out of me and we
have a lunch with Chief. I said, this is a
tough game. It said, yeah, really tough. And I said,
you know, how did you feel through the game? You know,
like when they were on top? Did you think we win?
He said, on you would win? I said, why did
you know your win? He said because we had Lori
daily And I think that that says it all.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's funny, like my history Lesson of Origin. You mentioned
about MAO and I always wanted to play Origin, but
I didn't play until twenty ten. So I was still
playing first grade for a few years and everyone else
would pack there, but I go Thrid and I'd stay behind.
It started cutting me and I wanted for Ego to
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be a part of it, right, So I just all
I thought about was Origin was the best game of
the year, and I just wanted to play in it.
So it was self driven and egotistical about I get
into Origin Camp twenty ten for my Deboom and Mao
talks about the history of Origin, where the concept of
Queensland started in nineteen eighty and all of a sudden
it became more powerful than just me. So I'm talking about, like,
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why does Queensland rise when they playing them own jerseys
because quick history lesson. Prior to nineteen eighty, it was
always about where you played, right, So all the good
players of queens then moved to New South Wales represented Queensland.
They played in the state game and New South Wales
would smash Queensland fifty zeril every game yep, and the
Queenslander's got smashed. It wasn't until nineteen eighty when they
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changed the rules of where you're born. Arthur beats in
that first scrum. He's playing reserve grade for Paramatter at
the time. Packs In McCrone is the gun player for
paramatter at the time for New South Wales get stuck
into him and that is mate verse mate state Verse State.
Mal brought that story up. So the power of that
Queensland Jersey. Why did Queenslanders get Origin? It's because of
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that history, lesson of the past and playing for the future.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And I lived through that coup, like you know, growing up,
following when I was a young kid in the seventies
watching New South well, when the interstate games came around,
we would annihilate Queensland. And I still remember, I still
remember the first set of Origin game. I was living
in Newcastle. We didn't get the game televised and I
don't believe I'm listening to it on the radio and
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I'm listening to Queensland just belders and I'm saying, I
said to my dad, what's going on? Like you know,
I didn't understand the concept. But watching you back later,
like I'll get goose pumps, watching Arthur boots and run
on the field like the returning hero. I heard Chris
Cloves tell a story. Was Gordy as it was Gordy
relaying the story. The only difference was choppy story where
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for two minutes and Gordy's breath for two hours. But
he sold. He told Gordy, he said, I'm a young
guy sitting there and he said in the next locker
to me or sitting next to me is Arthur. And
he said, Arthur's just sitting there really quiet. And Arthur's
got all these tapes, doing all his own taping, and
he's strapping his fingers up and he said. I looked
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at him and said, mate, this guy's going to war
like he was a warrior going to war and man
a contribution. So often, coops, you're just talking there about
the history and the history that like think you blokes
are taught when you go into camp and how important
that is for you blokes, and oftentimes that's the reason
why you blokes going into a series, you win the
battle of the narrative. That makes sense, You win that battle,
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like played in the game where that that series fatties
Queensland as a ninety five and we went into county
when that guy apologize to the studio audience. We've got
a studio awardens three viewers have made the trip to
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our time and to watch us and howdy ah. But
I so we had like a gun team, even though
Super League players weren't selected, were gun site, you know,
Freddie and Chief and someone and of course Stop John's
Stop New South Wales anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Why do you for yourself?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
That was this funny turn of phrase anyway, But we
went in there and we were I've heard Gus talk
about this after they Queensland beat the series and so
what was the difference? He said? Our blokes turned up
into camp trying to show each other how skillful they were,
and the Queensland has turned up trying to show each
other how tough they were and coops. That first night
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at the Sydney Football Stadium, I remember, I think, and
I was right, did the warm up felt good? You know?
Run onto the field and I'm standing there right and
I look over as Queensland run on and I see
my teammate Robbie O Davis and there was just something
different about him, and at that point I thought we
won't be in trouble here. There was just something. There
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was an extra layer of intensity in that term.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So there's not a huge gap there was in ninety five.
But there's some similarities. And the example will be paying
us and Patrick Carrighan. Yeah, like that will be an example.
Paying us runs out of the field a bunch of
Patrick Carrighan is not Yeah, high five of him saying goody, you.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Be one big great classroom too. Yeah, it's a big
one for cubs. We're gonna do a bit of the
health check on the competition here and when we you know,
it's been all about origin here, we might split it
in two. We'll do a few of the teams now
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and a few of them next week. But let's start.
We'll go from the bottom up to the top. And
usually the bottom teams it's usually very straightforward. They're having
a blood er every year and they're not going to
make the finals. There's a couple of them, but there are,
But it's Penrith. What are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
They are in seventeenth on nine points. The Broncos are
in eighth on twelve points. In the next period of time,
they play the Eels twice, the Tigers twice. They've got
two buyers. They've got the Titans, Knights and Souths. There's
a couple of other big games of worries.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
They're going to creep in.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I've got them here finishing eighth. You agree, I do agree.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I do agree. We've said this before. If they can
creep into the eight, they can win the camp Coops.
My prediction is I think they will creep into the eight.
But I think it'll be very, very similar to when
Brisbane did similar ninety nine, but they lost all those
games empty and they spent the pennies getting there. I
agree with that, But when you look at it also
the amount of players they're going to have playing state
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of Origin on top of everybody everything else I've got
to make in the second week of the finals.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh yeah, I can't argue with that. I feel like
I was just doing some research into this. I think
they do. I think they slip into the eight. And
I can't say that to too many of the other
teams down the bottom of the ladder, as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
What about Titans, mate, they deserve brutality in opinion. You know,
it's just I mean, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let's look well the Spoon Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well look at the Queen's Land side coops where this
is what puzzles puzzles. We talk about this in numerous
times individually. Look at the talent on that team. But
let's look at the Queensland side both for more Tin, no,
for the Waker, yep, anybody else in that pack that
but like, that's a great pack and you are three
of the Titans there mainstage of the Titans pack.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I just he's their best player, Tino by a country mile.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
The one thing that I think is hurting the Titans
is des has been a defensive coach for a long
period of time, and history says he gets it right
when he's got a good team. There's a disconnect between
them doing it and his message. And the other thing
I think is hurting is that the top end talent.
I'm taking Tino out of this conversation, but the top
end talent are either injured or they feel like they
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look lost on a field like they don't they're not consistent,
they don't feel like they're on the same page all
the time, and it's just in and out of eighty
minute performances looks okay. It's just yeah, it's bad, and
I don't think it's going to get any better. I
think Penrith go that way quickly. And I'm worried about.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
The Titans aside that is, you talk a big, big
gulf in attitude between one side and the next. Look
at the Earl's attitude compared to the Titans, and the
Earls had a really difficult start to the season without
Mitchell Moses. You know, Jason Royle is trying to bed
down a new style of these young guys coming into
the team. But I tear what they look. They look
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really really good at the moment.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
They've improved, and he cleaned out that roster at the
back end of last year and now I feel like
he's very reliant on the leaders Borlow Moses, throw Brown
in there. But Lomax like, if those guys play well,
I think the Riley Smiths and the i Is and
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all that kind of stuff, they will follow. Yes, but
I think it's very reliant on that leadership group to
play well and get the job.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I see him getting out of the bottom four. I
see him moving in and around ten or eleven. I
think possibly you can just see they've got their tails
up at the moment. I will sure return from Origin.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And I will say Dylan Walker has been very, very
good for them, fantastic even on the weekend, it was
great no mich and Moses stood up lots of ballplaying.
I think he'd be a key piece of the puzzle
for them to improve a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Final one for this week, the Knights needed that win
over Penrith or they would have been sitting last on
the ladder right Knight's best player so far this she's been,
in my opinion, being Fletcher sharp, Dylan Lucas as well.
Dilan Lucas was sensational on the weekend A coops the
Kaylen at fullback, at fullback and Fletcher at six. The
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formula wasn't quite working out there. They put Fletcher back
to his preferred position playing fullback. They experimented a couple
of years ago with kayl and at six it didn't work.
Is it worth having a look at again?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think Kaylen no worries. The Knights are a good
defensive team. They need to win games while they're going
through this period on the back of their defense. If
there's one simple solution for the Knights attack, and Kleen
is the big piece of this. We've spoken about this
previous on the show. Calen's best position is when it's
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four versus four down a wide short side. He has
the footwork to carve up anyone right. So as simple
as this is, I'm playing to that position and given
Kalen four and four. Now, if they give four defenders,
Kaylin take it. If they put five on Kaylen, because
they're worried the rest of you. Take it. That's as
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simple as I can try and help them out with
their attack.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's the same with Tamara Tahu. We say with Tamata
you know when he was in really fire and we said, mate,
look if they've got four and we've got four, give
it to Mana. Actually, if they've got five, give it
to Actually, if they've got six, gives I feel.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like their spine is. I know why Adam O'Brien keeps
changing because there's no one grabbing the jersey, right, But
you probably need to simplify in terms of trying to
make this elaborate play to create space for Kaylin on
the extremities, Like just where is his favorite positions in
this part of the field. Where does he do all
of his damage this part of the field. All right,
let's design the system where he gets the ball there
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more often than not. That's right, And that's as simple
as this that field position for defenders. Kaylin take it.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
What does Cooper Krong do on Origin Knights? You're going
to go up to us Sun Corporal, what does it?
What does an origin Knight like for you? Now?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Considering that you only work two days a week, around
this joint. You wouldn't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Two days a week double duty John's for me.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You would understand the sweat, blood and tears are going
into this John. I'm actually going to call the game.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Called the game.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So you don't even know what's going on around here.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Do No, No, I don't. I'm a little that's the coops.
You know, this is the thing, mate, You come in,
your clock out, you go, mate, don't get caught up
in office politics. If you haven't got an office, so
you haven't got a computer or haven't got a chair,
they don't expect you to be.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You can't turn what off? That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I haven't heard me yet. Well maybe it has good
on your mate.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Mm hmmmmmm
Well, Coop, like when Galvin to the Dogs, we spotted
that up Nobbies a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Honestly, well, I'm not surprised by it. I'm surprised how
quickly this has all happened. And so they said the
movie is imminent, They've got to buy this weekend. He'll
make his debut if they pick him in first grade
coops against ironically against Paramatta, the team that he had
the opportunity to go to and knock back.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm not sure what to make of it because if
you look at their list now, like Sexton, Burton, Galvin
man Hey, there's a lot of a lot of ball hands,
the way they play. There's a lot of noise around
Galvin for a young kid, and I think I don't
know if surrender do you think he plays in New
South Wales Cup? Would you put him straight back in? Well,
(00:50):
I would too, yeah, because there's so much noise around
this kid. I don't know what's right. I don't know
what's wrong. But if you're in part of the team
that's on top of the ladder doing all these things
that a team first mentality has right now for the Dogs,
they are besides what happened recently, what they're doing. Geez,
you got to earn your stripes to be in that team.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I think it says a lot. I think it says
a lot about the club. But also it's what Saldo
and Gus are saying to the team. If they may
lockey go through New South Will's Cup and Ernie's jersey.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I would like that. I think that is the right
path if he comes straight in over the top. I'm
not sure where he plays, what the style of plays,
and where who fits.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
In the g Let's imagine he doesn't play New South
Wales Cup, so he either plays six thirteen or fourteen.
I'm guessing fourteen. But okay, but that's Bailey Hayward's role.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Who's been very good.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
He's been very very good. There's been noise constantly around Toby.
Toby Sexton, who has been very good the last twelve months,
had a couple of poor performances recently. But you know,
you just don't throw a black and okay in the
trash can who's been good from period of time on
a couple of on the back of a couple of
poor performances. So I don't exactly know where they're going
(02:07):
to place him. I see him as a sixth in
the next eighteen months. I see him as eventually as
a thirteen.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, I don't think he can play seven right now.
No decision making, kicking game temperament. There's a few things
that Toby Sex is doing well that compliments what the
Dogs are doing. Could he play seven? Look Sirealdo has
a history of working with Nathan Cleary. He's done a
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good job with Sexton to get to him to where
he is. So I'm not going to say that he can't,
but he's going to need a lot of mentorship over
the next two three years before you even consider that, right,
So what do they do now? That's that's a trigger situation.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know, Coops, It's actually an opportunity for Toby. Toby
be looking at the moment going, oh jeez, you know
he's coming to assist meets the end of me with
all the noise and the fact he hasn't been offered
a new contract. But if the Galvin was to come
go to the Bulldogs slip into the six, Jersey Burton
moved somewhere else and he in sext and started, well,
I don't know you Crichton and Cherry there, I don't
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know where they I don't see I don't see Burton's
full that people are saying they could play fullback. I
think kind of Tracy has been fantastic there, But I
just don't see Burton express enough to play to play fullback.
So I don't know. But if he was to go
into the six Jersey and I'm talking about like a
Galvin here and he and Sex and all of a
sudden throwing up this fantastic partnership and they go on
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to run, well, you know, for Toby, that might that
might be the thing that actually gets in the new contract.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
If I was talking to Toby Sex and I would
be saying, don't focus on anything that's being said or
what you think. Focus on the things you've done well,
because what you've done well is the point of difference
to Galvin right now. So keep doing that and force
the dogs to find another option. Yeah, because he is
the only one at the moment who can provide that piece.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
When when the dust settles in a month's time, what
do you think, how does that puzzle settle? I think
I think Burton plays somewhere else. I don't know whether
it's the only.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Other one is is Yeah, maybe it's thirteen because he
is a big body, strong defensive.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Begin to do it, Kurt Man, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Maybe crighton the fullback Burton to the centers, Like there's
a lot to move around.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I mean, the Crichton situation, it's possible. When he originally
went to the Dogs, that was talking he was going
to play full back. I like him in the center
because he's the best defensive, one of the best defensives.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's the best, the best center in the game right now.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, So AnyWho, it'll settle. Yeah, we'll find it. I
just want to make before what we're going to do,
we're going to touch on Origin a little bit. I mean,
we did it last week. We're going to talk about
in focus. I'm going to focus on I'm going to
have a look at Lorie Daly's playing career in Origin.
Before we do that, I wanted to I want to
give a young player, the young fullback at Paramatta. This
(05:04):
bloke is a really, really special player. We're seeing it
more and more every week. I just want to show
you something from the game. It's actually my Jumblow Jack
who saw this and he called me and said, just
check this out, a really important part of the game
in the second half. Look at this chase bang and
hits Turbo gets the first market. You watch this next
hit bang, like the physicality and then he finds himself
(05:25):
at marker again and he goes for another one. Now
at this point, fullbacks usually send the wingers back, but
he gets back on his bike to protect the forty twenty.
If they're going for it, takes it. And what's the
physicality in this run? Again? They like, that's a lot
of stuff you don't pick up in the game. Mainly
you pick up the flash stuff. But that says a
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lot about.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That they're the one percent. Is that you could grow
a lot of X factor skills and he's already got
the X factor skills. So I love that he is
underpinning that footwork and the speed that he's got with
that hard nosed approach because he was brilliant on the week,
like what he delivered for that team, toughness, safety, smart,
try scoring like he was very good. And while you
(06:09):
spotted that from Iongi, I'm going to raise it and
see what the Sharks did against the Roosters. And in
fanel Blake big noise around him in a big game
against the Roosters who are origin affected. This is his
first effort. This is the first set of the game.
I just want you to watch Fanila Blake here, he's
out the back of play. The Roosters are down players,
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Sharks come off a big win against Melbourne. They need
to start fast and knock the Roosters out of confidence.
And this is the effort of Foranila Bloke. We've just
showed Iongi how hard he worked for his team and
got the rewards. And here's Fanil Blake, who's been brilliant
this year, but most of his brilliant work as we
been with ball in him. So that moment there, I
(06:51):
think Craig Fitzgibven will spot and say, hey, you need
to set the standard from the beginning. Because when Fanila
Blake gets it right and the Sharks were coming against
the Roosters in that second half, I'll show you another
bit of play. Here, steams onto the football like he
shot out of a gun, creates chaos in the Rooster's
defensive line. And what happens Tunle goes down the other
(07:12):
side double pump play. So I think Craig Fitzgibbons got
a bit of work to do with Phil Blake off
the ball. His efforts and intensity can be influential for
the Sharks to keep going up the ladder.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Probably encapsulated the performance from the Sharks. Yeah, yeah, they
were off just when you're starting to really go right
out here we going.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, they shouldn't have had that effort, considering what they
did against Melbourne the week before, and off the back
of that you picked up Halia Seima and some train
spotting stuff a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, yes, I did left handed, left hand carry right hand,
play the ball.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, Tarban has been watching this show and he's gone,
Matthew John's watched this right hand, Yes, play the ball.
Love it?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Hey, love it. I'll sit with that, yes, because he's
in for the show in to May, and I'll watching
HALLI Suma. I just kept saying, happy, happy, watch his
left hand carry right hand for I think happy was
thinking it is this plog place, which was.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So any players out there that watch the show, just
a bit of left hand right action, play the ball
of whatever?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, have you had a game? You know?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I can't do it. I can't do it. And I
suggest you can't either.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah. Now in focus state of origin. We gave our
predictions last week. Anything changed is what you think about.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I still think months through is the key for Queensland.
I still think there'll be some points scored. One thing
I will say is thinking about, like, what's going to
happen in this game. New South Wales won that play
game won the series with one play at the back
end of last year, and it's would have sat with
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Billy for long period time. I know how Billy reacts
to things, and he'd be sitting in his bunker analyzing
every Queensland play but also picking apart New South Wales
and big games. Billy loved to come up with a player,
a trick shot, something that just threw the opposition out.
I don't know what it will be, but I'm pretty
sure he'll come up with something, either the game plan
(09:11):
or a trick shot that will sort of try and
roffle the feathers of New South Wales. So keep an
eye on that. But I still think Munster. I think
twenty two fourteen Queensland. I think it's going to be
an entertaining game.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Will be entertaining a game, and earlier today Stephen Crichton
left training, had a nice bag and he's quad, so
we'll find out there. That's a nervous way. He's such
an important player. That combination Latrell, Mitchell and Stephen Crichton,
as far as centers, it's as good as it gets.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Look, they dominate. Do you think Latrell and Steven Kricht
is the point of difference?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I do. I think they're dominate.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm worried. I'm worried.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Look, it's a great combination given the way that Nathan
has been playing. If you watch the way Penwth has
been playing of late and how straight Nathan's been playing,
and like he's been playing so straight, he's been just
basically perling an opposition in short and giving his outside
men so much time and space. With Latrell and Cryton
vis that's yeah, that's a big opportunity there.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Clearing and Moses can connect and condense the middle part
of the defense and create just space for Latrell and Crichton.
I think Hammer and Rob Toyer need to almost have
the toy's debut game, but the best defensive performers ever.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Had you mentioned Billy? I want to talk about Lurie,
not Laurie's coaching, his playing career. A lot of younger
people who come to the game don't remember Laurie as
a player and what he did for New South Wales
as a player. I think when you're talking about you know,
when you talk about Queensland, I took with the greatest
Queensland players is of course Wally Lewis, of course Cameron Smith.
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When it gets to New South Wales, there's blokes at there.
Joey spoken about Bradley, Clyde, Brett, Kenny, Freddie Mate. I
put Lourie just about the top. He's contribution in New
South Wales and basically changing like Queensland dominated for so
long throughout the eighties, but the emergence of those young
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guys from the Green Machine that Canberra era really swung
up back in New South Whil's way and Laurie tippified
that he came in. It was funny. His first series
was in eighty nine right and the great Jack Gibson
was coaching the New South Wales side. Jack knew you
had this kid who was developing. It was going to
be a legend of the game. He just missed it
by twelve months because when he come in Laurie that
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first series, he was really struggled. He talks of I've
spoken to him. I interviewed him about it, and I said,
that first series in eighty nine bad memories, he said,
most terrible. He said, I went in so naive, not
knowing what Origin was about. He was nineteen years of age,
and he said, I was playing center opposite my mentor,
my hero, my teammate, my captain, Malmaninger. And he said naively,
(11:55):
I went into that game believe him Mal would take
it easier. And he said he he just completely completely
humiliated loss, you know. Talking about his trajectory as a player.
The big turning point for Laurie, I think he's breakouts
as far as being a representative player was City versus
Country nineteen ninety and Country were beaten by two points,
(12:17):
but Laurie absolutely tore City to shreds and after the
game it was like mate, it was everything changed. He
went into State of Origin that year ninety ninety and
dominated Queensland in the first game. But the big one
when Phil goirled. The big rise with Laurie coops come
when Phil Gould was coach. Gus recognized straight away that
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Laurie's got to be my captain. He elevated him's captain.
But I love this story when you talk about Gus
spoke to him about what did you learn from that
first series? Tell me about that first series, and he
told Gus the story about playing against Mail and Phil
Mali take it easier. I mean how he humiliated him. Anyway,
when he made Laurie captain, he said, they're playing a
(13:02):
game at lang Park. It's a big game. Got to
be a decider, and he said, I've been the call
to tap on the tap in the dressing room. Mate,
come out. The captain's out to toss the coin, and
Mal is the captain of Corny's land. Anyway, Gus grabbed
him and said this is your time. He said, go
and hide in the toilet. Let Mal wait for you
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out there. So he said, Maol was forced to wait
outside Lorry's hiding in the toilet as a power play.
Mail is just standing out there, made him wait five
minutes and then strolled out. And it was just a statement.
He said, Mao was filthy and mal knew exactly what
he was doing. And then he turned went back into
the sheds. It was a Turning Point and Lorry that
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ninety four series, Laurie completely dominated it to the fact
that Coops they won. I don't know if it was decided,
but they won Game three in a really tough game
at the Sydney Football Stadium and Lorry scored a key
try late. And remember talking to Paul Harrigan the next day,
who was a skipper at Newcastle. He played in that game,
(14:05):
and it was myself and out of me and we
have a lunch with Chief. I said, this is a
tough game. It said, yeah, really tough. And I said,
you know, how did you feel through the game? You know,
like when they were on top? Did you think we win?
He said, on you would win? I said, why did
you know your win? He said because we had Lori
daily And I think that that says it all.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's funny, like my history Lesson of Origin. You mentioned
about MAO and I always wanted to play Origin, but
I didn't play until twenty ten. So I was still
playing first grade for a few years and everyone else
would pack there, but I go Thrid and I'd stay behind.
It started cutting me and I wanted for Ego to
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be a part of it, right, So I just all
I thought about was Origin was the best game of
the year, and I just wanted to play in it.
So it was self driven and egotistical about I get
into Origin Camp twenty ten for my Deboom and Mao
talks about the history of Origin, where the concept of
Queensland started in nineteen eighty and all of a sudden
it became more powerful than just me. So I'm talking about, like,
(15:04):
why does Queensland rise when they playing them own jerseys
because quick history lesson. Prior to nineteen eighty, it was
always about where you played, right, So all the good
players of queens then moved to New South Wales represented Queensland.
They played in the state game and New South Wales
would smash Queensland fifty zeril every game yep, and the
Queenslander's got smashed. It wasn't until nineteen eighty when they
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changed the rules of where you're born. Arthur beats in
that first scrum. He's playing reserve grade for Paramatter at
the time. Packs In McCrone is the gun player for
paramatter at the time for New South Wales get stuck
into him and that is mate verse mate state Verse State.
Mal brought that story up. So the power of that
Queensland Jersey. Why did Queenslanders get Origin? It's because of
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that history, lesson of the past and playing for the future.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And I lived through that coup, like you know, growing up,
following when I was a young kid in the seventies
watching New South well, when the interstate games came around,
we would annihilate Queensland. And I still remember, I still
remember the first set of Origin game. I was living
in Newcastle. We didn't get the game televised and I
don't believe I'm listening to it on the radio and
(16:10):
I'm listening to Queensland just belders and I'm saying, I
said to my dad, what's going on? Like you know,
I didn't understand the concept. But watching you back later,
like I'll get goose pumps, watching Arthur boots and run
on the field like the returning hero. I heard Chris
Cloves tell a story. Was Gordy as it was Gordy
relaying the story. The only difference was choppy story where
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for two minutes and Gordy's breath for two hours. But
he sold. He told Gordy, he said, I'm a young
guy sitting there and he said in the next locker
to me or sitting next to me is Arthur. And
he said, Arthur's just sitting there really quiet. And Arthur's
got all these tapes, doing all his own taping, and
he's strapping his fingers up and he said. I looked
(16:54):
at him and said, mate, this guy's going to war
like he was a warrior going to war and man
a contribution. So often, coops, you're just talking there about
the history and the history that like think you blokes
are taught when you go into camp and how important
that is for you blokes, and oftentimes that's the reason
why you blokes going into a series, you win the
battle of the narrative. That makes sense, You win that battle,
(17:17):
like played in the game where that that series fatties
Queensland as a ninety five and we went into county
when that guy apologize to the studio audience. We've got
a studio awardens three viewers have made the trip to
(17:40):
our time and to watch us and howdy ah. But
I so we had like a gun team, even though
Super League players weren't selected, were gun site, you know,
Freddie and Chief and someone and of course Stop John's
Stop New South Wales anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Why do you for yourself?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
That was this funny turn of phrase anyway, But we
went in there and we were I've heard Gus talk
about this after they Queensland beat the series and so
what was the difference? He said? Our blokes turned up
into camp trying to show each other how skillful they were,
and the Queensland has turned up trying to show each
other how tough they were and coops. That first night
(18:23):
at the Sydney Football Stadium, I remember, I think, and
I was right, did the warm up felt good? You know?
Run onto the field and I'm standing there right and
I look over as Queensland run on and I see
my teammate Robbie O Davis and there was just something
different about him, and at that point I thought we
won't be in trouble here. There was just something. There
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was an extra layer of intensity in that term.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So there's not a huge gap there was in ninety five.
But there's some similarities. And the example will be paying
us and Patrick Carrighan. Yeah, like that will be an example.
Paying us runs out of the field a bunch of
Patrick Carrighan is not Yeah, high five of him saying goody, you.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Be one big great classroom too. Yeah, it's a big
one for cubs. We're gonna do a bit of the
health check on the competition here and when we you know,
it's been all about origin here, we might split it
in two. We'll do a few of the teams now
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and a few of them next week. But let's start.
We'll go from the bottom up to the top. And
usually the bottom teams it's usually very straightforward. They're having
a blood er every year and they're not going to
make the finals. There's a couple of them, but there are,
But it's Penrith. What are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
They are in seventeenth on nine points. The Broncos are
in eighth on twelve points. In the next period of time,
they play the Eels twice, the Tigers twice. They've got
two buyers. They've got the Titans, Knights and Souths. There's
a couple of other big games of worries.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
They're going to creep in.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I've got them here finishing eighth. You agree, I do agree.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I do agree. We've said this before. If they can
creep into the eight, they can win the camp Coops.
My prediction is I think they will creep into the eight.
But I think it'll be very, very similar to when
Brisbane did similar ninety nine, but they lost all those
games empty and they spent the pennies getting there. I
agree with that, But when you look at it also
the amount of players they're going to have playing state
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of Origin on top of everybody everything else I've got
to make in the second week of the finals.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh yeah, I can't argue with that. I feel like
I was just doing some research into this. I think
they do. I think they slip into the eight. And
I can't say that to too many of the other
teams down the bottom of the ladder, as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
What about Titans, mate, they deserve brutality in opinion. You know,
it's just I mean, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let's look well the Spoon Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well look at the Queen's Land side coops where this
is what puzzles puzzles. We talk about this in numerous
times individually. Look at the talent on that team. But
let's look at the Queensland side both for more Tin, no,
for the Waker, yep, anybody else in that pack that
but like, that's a great pack and you are three
of the Titans there mainstage of the Titans pack.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I just he's their best player, Tino by a country mile.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
The one thing that I think is hurting the Titans
is des has been a defensive coach for a long
period of time, and history says he gets it right
when he's got a good team. There's a disconnect between
them doing it and his message. And the other thing
I think is hurting is that the top end talent.
I'm taking Tino out of this conversation, but the top
end talent are either injured or they feel like they
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look lost on a field like they don't they're not consistent,
they don't feel like they're on the same page all
the time, and it's just in and out of eighty
minute performances looks okay. It's just yeah, it's bad, and
I don't think it's going to get any better. I
think Penrith go that way quickly. And I'm worried about.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
The Titans aside that is, you talk a big, big
gulf in attitude between one side and the next. Look
at the Earl's attitude compared to the Titans, and the
Earls had a really difficult start to the season without
Mitchell Moses. You know, Jason Royle is trying to bed
down a new style of these young guys coming into
the team. But I tear what they look. They look
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really really good at the moment.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
They've improved, and he cleaned out that roster at the
back end of last year and now I feel like
he's very reliant on the leaders Borlow Moses, throw Brown
in there. But Lomax like, if those guys play well,
I think the Riley Smiths and the i Is and
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all that kind of stuff, they will follow. Yes, but
I think it's very reliant on that leadership group to
play well and get the job.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I see him getting out of the bottom four. I
see him moving in and around ten or eleven. I
think possibly you can just see they've got their tails
up at the moment. I will sure return from Origin.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And I will say Dylan Walker has been very, very
good for them, fantastic even on the weekend, it was
great no mich and Moses stood up lots of ballplaying.
I think he'd be a key piece of the puzzle
for them to improve a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Final one for this week, the Knights needed that win
over Penrith or they would have been sitting last on
the ladder right Knight's best player so far this she's been,
in my opinion, being Fletcher sharp, Dylan Lucas as well.
Dilan Lucas was sensational on the weekend A coops the
Kaylen at fullback, at fullback and Fletcher at six. The
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formula wasn't quite working out there. They put Fletcher back
to his preferred position playing fullback. They experimented a couple
of years ago with kayl and at six it didn't work.
Is it worth having a look at again?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think Kaylen no worries. The Knights are a good
defensive team. They need to win games while they're going
through this period on the back of their defense. If
there's one simple solution for the Knights attack, and Kleen
is the big piece of this. We've spoken about this
previous on the show. Calen's best position is when it's
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four versus four down a wide short side. He has
the footwork to carve up anyone right. So as simple
as this is, I'm playing to that position and given
Kalen four and four. Now, if they give four defenders,
Kaylin take it. If they put five on Kaylen, because
they're worried the rest of you. Take it. That's as
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simple as I can try and help them out with
their attack.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's the same with Tamara Tahu. We say with Tamata
you know when he was in really fire and we said, mate,
look if they've got four and we've got four, give
it to Mana. Actually, if they've got five, give it
to Actually, if they've got six, gives I feel.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like their spine is. I know why Adam O'Brien keeps
changing because there's no one grabbing the jersey, right, But
you probably need to simplify in terms of trying to
make this elaborate play to create space for Kaylin on
the extremities, Like just where is his favorite positions in
this part of the field. Where does he do all
of his damage this part of the field. All right,
let's design the system where he gets the ball there
(25:25):
more often than not. That's right, And that's as simple
as this that field position for defenders. Kaylin take it.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
What does Cooper Krong do on Origin Knights? You're going
to go up to us Sun Corporal, what does it?
What does an origin Knight like for you? Now?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Considering that you only work two days a week, around
this joint. You wouldn't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Two days a week double duty John's for me.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You would understand the sweat, blood and tears are going
into this John. I'm actually going to call the game.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Called the game.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So you don't even know what's going on around here.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Do No, No, I don't. I'm a little that's the coops.
You know, this is the thing, mate, You come in,
your clock out, you go, mate, don't get caught up
in office politics. If you haven't got an office, so
you haven't got a computer or haven't got a chair,
they don't expect you to be.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You can't turn what off? That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I haven't heard me yet. Well maybe it has good
on your mate.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Mm hmmmmmm
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