June 23, 2025 • 25 mins
Matty & Cooper on Origin II's big moments & key players, then their top ten SOO players of all time. Plus AJ & other prolific try scorers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Coops State of Origin heading for a decider, which is
always a huge game.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Have you you played numerous deciders couple? Yeah, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Coming New South Wales. Yeah it is. It's the it's
obviously the pinnacle and the biggest games of the year,
and there's this sort of strange thing before kickoff you're
supremely confident, but then fear and terror kicks in because
it is the biggest game of the year and can
you do it? It's the one game that you'd love
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to be a part of. But then the other part
of it is you just don't want to be the
one that stuffs it up to.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Coops, and that is that is such a natural emotion.
It's the primary emotion going into big games. Is that
nervousness and total fear that you're going to be the bloke.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And home ground advantage plays a part. Now it's not everything,
but I just remember a couple of origin deciders a
sun call and it became a factor early on if
you started well. So for New South Wales need to
start well and that crowd will bring them home.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Just on on game two we'll have our saying it.
The big talk is DC going in the game and
whether it was going to be work or not. Given
the side he picked, it was always going to be
in hindsight. Clearly did going to congratulate Billy for that.
Munster elevating Munster captain was a master stroke and didn't
simplify their attack.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Best players, what do you think? Do you think Monster
was the best player on the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I thought Monster was the best player short half head
over Kirk Capewell, and I thought Payne Hasse and were
pretty pretty special.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had Ruben Connor as my own man for Queensland.
I thought his performance was outstanding, just defensively. I haven't
seen too many New South Wales players be put on
their backside through the work of Monster. Outstanding. I think
Tyler deserves a big rugby. He did everything he could
for New South Wales. But in terms of Monster in
the elevation the No DC, there was two parts to it.
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I think Queensland's halves were and spined to be fair,
were way more direct. Yes, they were arrows straight in
the way they attacked it. And Munster's sort of influence
on the team wasn't you know. It's the way that
he communicated. It was more that he just knew the
responsibility he had and he delivered with that. Like go
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back and watch when he walked out in the field.
Oh my goodness. He is a character. Everyone loves him,
but he was not going to let down his state
the way that he was dialed in and that simple
promotion to captain is that sole reason that he was
going to lead from the front.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Coop, I've never seen him so stonefaced and made one
point he sort of like almost shook with excitement, and
that would have been adrenaline and evidence of that Coop
was his first kick, like when he was adrenalized and
he was excited about the contest seven tackle set which
I thought New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Went down and scored from memory.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
But that's just as you know, Coop, it can be
a difficult thing going in a really big game when
you're playing in the harves and you've got to see
the side around the park and you got to make
smart decisions, you got to play with some new when
there's adrenaline pumping through you.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I know caramansa well and played a lot of forty
with him. I've never seen him like that. Before we
go and watching it, I just thought, oh my goodness,
this is the biggest moment his career up to that point.
You could tell how dialed in he was. He was
not going to take a backwards step and he's going
to lead from the front. And there was a couple
of moments from him, like running the football, a couple
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of early kicks that really got the job done. So
I just I really marveled at.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
What he did throughout Origin history just thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Think like Queensland, some of their greatest players have been
quite unheralded, if you know what I mean, that have
not been.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So much surprise selections.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
But you look out on paper and you go, oh yeah,
you know, like Gary Larson, if I made sense back there,
I mean, Billy Moore, what Billy you provided that emotion?
Dane Gaguy should go down as one of Queensland's great
Origin players.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Given the fact too. Wally Lewis medals from the wing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Kirk Cable's another one, and I sat on the show
last night, the old saying take an old dog for
the hard road.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
He's the evidence of that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I thought it was a good performance. I think there
was a couple of moments in that game. There's a
lot of talk around the penalties, but I think the
execution of New South Wales, particularly early in the game
helped Queensland. Yeah, there was adalso penalties or whatever, but
Leui kicked the ball out in the full, Nathan clearly
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had an attacking set through the ball behind paying Hess
there was an error. So there was a couple of
things that actually helped Queensland out a lot. And then
on the flip side in that second half, I thought
the New South Wales attack was very threatening to Queensland.
As a Queensland supporter, I thought they were going to score.
I thought New South Wales were coming moving left with
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the trail, moving right with Stephen Kricht. They just looked
like in that second half they were going to crack.
But I think the one thing that helped Queensland was
I thought Harry Grant was horrific early on. Months's running
game was direct, did and round the ball, ponger supported
through the middle. So in game three, trying to predict
what happens the edge attack of New South Wales looks good.
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The running game of Queensland. Spine is a truth.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You mentioned before and we talked about.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know, I spoke before about Gaguy Boon one of
the great origin players.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know what point with you?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Three tries again ran for over two hundred meters every
time he plays here, over two hundred meters. He always impacts.
Looking at some of the best origin wingers ever. You
know Willie Kahn, Michael Hancock, Darius Boy, Chicka Fergus and
Wendell Sailor Eric Gross like Kiri, you know where does
I mean is to number one?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah? I think, well, current players are still doing what
they're doing. It's hard to put them collivate above anyone else, right,
But I will tell you this. We have through the
history of our game and currently some super athletic wingers
they elevate themselves with a corner posts and put the
ball down. But I don't think there's a body shape
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with Brian to Or that's delivered the way that he's delivered. Like,
he doesn't elevate himself out around the corner posts. He
would just ram his body into you in the corner
of the field and say tackle me if you can.
And he normally gets there and he is like, go
watch what he did the early parts. He's smart. To
He realized that the defense of Queensland. We're probably going
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to try and lift him up and take him back.
He was running head first and towards the ground, just
doing the right thing for the team to get that
quick play of the ball and set someone else on.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
He's a great player. Diets to disgrace.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Twenty Did you think New South Wales is going to score?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
No, he didn't know, And I can use my sons
as evans. We didn't deserve to win and so often
coops the gods of rugby league, that's what they do.
But the bottom line is we just didn't deserve to
win game.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He's a little bit of the footy IQ of what
makes Karen Monster smart. Go back and look in that
second half, clear who's running that play. He was passing
our back to Leui or Edwards. Months would fly up
out of the line and try and shut that down
because he knew he was under threat. This time with
a game of the line, he realized that paint hass
was an opportunity to catch the football on the first layer.
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Clearly plays to him. Instead of Months have flying out
the line, he sat there and hit the ball over
the top and dislodged it. So game awareness and the
biggest moment for months to stood up on Monster.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's interesting when that ability to run the football or
you know, being couraged to run the football at the time,
like for months, to have the have the and this
is going to sound odd, but have the discipline to
continue to play simple. And I'd love to know a
stat with Munster how many tries are scored off his
play the ball or how many tries are scored off
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he's offload. I know the Cape will try. I think
come from a monster ran the ball, engage to three.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Guys offloaded out the back.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's just because when he runs with football he just
attracts so many defenders.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Fifteen runs of the footing most of any Queensland player
and we highlight that. But I thought he kicked the
ball early and just really set the time for Queensland
the way that they had to do things. So yeah,
I thought it was a good performance.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Kicking early that. Yeah, you blokes in the last fifteen.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Years, it's an origin player that's been your staple when
the game's in the balance or no one can quite
you know, take superiority. So often see you blokes just
pop out, you know with yourself and the camera.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
On the left foot foot kick J two. It was monster.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The other night it was eight six. You blokes, but
a lot both sides coming up with a lot of errors.
Someone's trying to find rhythm. You blokes, go kick early,
big kick, Chase put pressure on New South Wales and
the pressure loves to Zach Lomax given the arrow of
the elbow and it goes up to toss it fourteen six.
Now I know it's only an eight point split, but
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in those conditions in Origin, that just squw It puts
a little bit more pressure.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I always thought to explain the Origin play. If you
were to defending your goal line for two, three, four
sets in a row and you stop the opposition from scoring.
I always thought kicking, if you get good momentum and
tackle three or four, that next set is almost like
a sign of the opposition you tried your best, but
we're coming again, and it's almost they have to get
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the carry out of their own end. Isolate the fullback,
ragged all the fullback and you actually start changing momentum.
So Cameron used to do it all the time because
at dummy half you're the first touch, everyone's on side.
It was easier to do it from that position, because
if you went to the half, it's a pass. The
fullback reads it sometimes. But that's why it's an origin play,
because you're actually forcing the opposition to do things I
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don't want to do.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I hear you like certain terminology sometimes and when you southway,
I've got a bit of an ascendency.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
We're going at you.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You guys use the term absorb pressure, not so much
repel it, but absorb the pressure then CounterPunch your here
that all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So if the team's got attacking possession on the goal
line and you can absorb that pressure one, two, three sets,
you watch the halves start going to option three, four
and five. When you got them going to their third
or fourth option, you know that you've got them rattled
a little bit. So they might have started off with
a sequence of players, but then this long pass or
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an early kick comes into play. You've got them rattled
because your first two options aren't working. When you sense
that it's time to change momentum and kick early.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've spoken monster before.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I think when we talk greater storage and players and
you know, removing let's remove state bias here, I think
he is he's got to be in the discussion.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You're Monster in your top ten Origin players of all time?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Absolutely I do. Yep, Well, yeah, you have coops.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Have a look at his record, right, just have Luke
Monster's record from his debut where he got a man
at the match.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
There's been very few Origin.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Games where he hasn't stood up and he has been
the guy oftentimes in Queensland state of origin sites that
haven't been like as strong as I mean that that
team that the won so many series in a row,
like Munster came in on the back of that era, right,
but then when he come into prominence as a senior player,
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those sides weren't as strong. But you know twenty twenty,
the COVID years, you know that what he did in
that series. Every single time Corneysland needs something or needs someone,
most of the time it's Monster.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He is the most influential Queensland player today.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But I don't have him in my top ten.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, Let's make some enemies, let's go, right, it gives
your top ten in no particular.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I just sort of went, you know, who were the
best players that I think for New South Wales and Queensland.
For New South Wales I've just got Fitler, Badera's Daily
and John's. Okay, thanks, So those for me, these four
for me are the ones that have Captain lad influenced outcomes.
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The are the ones I think about. But I will
say in terms of Queensland, I've got by society, I've
just got more Queenland players that have influenced so Lewis
Alpha mal like. I think from those days they were
the most influential and then from the time that I play.
I don't think you can separate lockey Smith versus English.
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I couldn't leave out any of those.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's it is, it's really hard when you sit there
and go with I'll give you some of the ones
I've left. I've left g I out, Yeah, I couldn't
couldn't put him in. I've left Brett Kenny out. I've
left Darren Lockyer out, June Miles, Glenn Lass.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
You've left Lockeye out.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yes, so some he make.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And I've left out Laza and I've left I left
out Steve Mordon.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I know you're looking go you know I Steve.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Morton, but I'll talk about him in the second we're
discuss But I've gone Wally given Andrew John's, Cameron Smith,
Billy Slater, Jonathan Thurston, all those sides in your order,
No lord, but I mean this is the thing to
leave our guys like Lockie and June, Miles, Brett Canning
and so on.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's because that era, that one, that that side that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Came through and just completely dominated our origin where arguably
the greatest Origin run of all time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so where have I gone?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I've gone to Thurston, So Wally, Joey, Cameron, Billy Thurston,
Laurie Day, Brady Clyde, Malmaninger, Alan Langer, Cameron Munster.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, hard to argue with any of those, like Clyde
for me being a young Queensland like, he was such
a good player, like so good he revolutionized the.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Way he changed, He changed the game.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
How third he's played because thirteen's coop used to be
clever short side players like Ray Price, incredibly tough.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But underrated as playmaker. You know, guys like.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But what they used to call it the thirteen in
the English game was the loose forward.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He was like a second five eighth.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Clyde, come along mate, you knock the ball down the field,
He get back and take play too.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Going through the list, and so it is not the
best player, but I so wanted to put Arthur beats
it in there just because of without Arthur like origin
isn't not what it is. What he did in that
nineteen eighty game and what he's done for queens over passed.
So he's almost the pioneer for Queensland. If I was
to say who the pioneer for New South Wales is
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or was, who's that?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it's tempted. You look at guys like you Tomy
donic As in the early years.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But the one who taught, who was a big part
of teaching New South Wales to win and what it
took to win.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Steve Mortimer.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He was the captain in eighty five and and the
players just said he was outstanding. Terry Fernley was the coach,
but on minus N Terry Fernley gave a lot of
the power to Turvy and Turvy just he rallied the
troops and he got it done.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Who was probably arguably.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Of any New South Wales the best as far as
the series concerned. The best captain is knocking a series
because he just turned it around so much for us.
You know, we were just under the pump every single
you know, to sit us New South Walshman those early
years and just you know, you bloke's just given it
to us and to us to an extent, Coop, the
old thing where they say New South Wales doesn't get
orangin back then, we didn't, you know, the first ever
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origin game.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I heard this one the other day was when, of.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Course, Coop, you know the history where if you're a
Coeensland and you come down and play for Sydney club.
I was explaining this to someone the other day and
sort of going the essence of white to coins Land
hate New South Wales more than the other way around.
You know, maybe that's not true, but and I explained
it was that the really big Richard said Sydney clubs
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would sign the best Queensland players and as a result
they had to play for New South Wales. And when
that first game was announced for Queensland in all those
Queensland players to return to Queensland and have those great
players like Arthur return, they reckon it was just like
the excitement amongst the things and like the Queensland side
they said before the game and the build up were
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just right on the bit New South Wales night for
the game.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We're having a beer. They were drinking.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It wasn't until they turned up to play that game
at land Park they reckoned. They walked in and Tommy
said to the term in the dressing room, hellmatee the ambushes,
they said when they walked into land Park they were
just getting abused and screamed up.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
He said, mate, this is this is totally well.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That inspired a generation of Queensland. Is what Arthur did
that side because you know Kevy tells in st about
how him and his brothers fought cut through the fence
wanted to be there. So multiply that by multiple Queensland people.
That is a is a part of the history of
why Queensland have a feeling and love and connection. When
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it comes to Origentie.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Brod a Coop's club Land, what are you a bit
of trained sporting? What are you go for me?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, we've given this guy a huge wrap over the
course of the air as a cartier. The Knights versus Dolphins,
it was twenty or with about fifteen minutes to go
and neither side got a field goal in Yes, the
Knights won it. They got lucky. In my opinion, but
this is a cartel with eight and a half minutes ago.
He is in perfect position in a tight contest, but
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decides to run the football. They try and go for
the try, bounces back in here and they turn over possession.
He should have taken a shot. Then there's no doubt
he's development. He should have taken it. A couple of
minutes later, six minutes ago, it's a bit further out.
He's on the left hand side, the right side for
the right foot. It swings to the other side and
kicks a ball. There's an opportunity to win the game
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for the Dolphins. Then the Newcastle Knights they get down
to the other end and there's about a minute to
go that Jones scores to try to win it. But
look here, Koger tackled Klein on the left hand side,
Crosslin comes from other side. Didn't even think about the
field goal. That's about a minute to go on the clock.
So I think there's a couple of things that both
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these teams really need to look at and understand that
when you get inside ten in a close game and
you can go for the tribe, but you've got to
set up and have a crack. Particularly inside five minutes,
it's your first thought.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
At what point, Coop, when you played, was the time
to go for it? Because let's imagine it's twenty all
and it's eleven minutes to go. Is that the do
you get for the field goal? Then what is the point?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Ten minutes was always my mark, But around that ten
minute mark, being a right footer, I always shifted the ball,
tried to shift it to the left hand side, so
if I had the chance, I could just set back
one in and take the shot, whereas if you go
to the right it's a more difficult approach. But then
inside five minutes less is more one to one to
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kick the ball. And the other thing too, is the
time that you want to kick in is get your
best play the ball with the fastest speed to take
that run. It was Billy at the Storm, was Boy
Corner at the Roosters, So you need to put some
thought into it. But the simple fact is not one
person in that field thought about it and didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Take the shot completely like a composure, What do you
got for me?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Well, mine is around great try scorers, and I'm going
to talk about three guys here. Alice Johnson of course
is on the cusp of breaking Kenny Irvines try scoring records.
You need seven more. This will be one of the
biggest storylines going into the back end of the year
as we head in the.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, but I thought myself, do you think he gets there? Yeah?
I do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I think he gets it. Cody, Yeah, Cody's back. Cody
is vital to that. Apparently he's back this week.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
If he does get it, the game needs to make
it a big milestone. I don't know if you open
up the stadium or whatever you do, but it needs
to be a memorable moment.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It'll be massive.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It'd be great to see, you know, as far as
security consider, they might like you see the af L
when Plaguerker did it and Buddy Franklin, they just flood.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It'd be great to see something.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
But when he breaks out record, he's going to join
a really exclusive club people like Ken Irvine.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
But I want to talk about the two greatest tri
scorers of all time.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Phil called Brian Bevan and the other fellow, which I'm
pretty sure very few people have heard about unless you're
a some Helen supporter Phela called Tom van Vollenhoven. Right now,
so let's talk about this firstly Brian Bevan. Now you know,
so we're talking about the record here Kenny Irvins called
two hundred and twelve tries in two hundred and thirty
six games.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Alex Cahner twelve tries yep, two thirty six games.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Now I want to talk about Brian Bevan for said coops,
because he played.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He started.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
He was born in Sydney and he played with your
old side, the Roosters. Played eight games for the Roosters
Brian Bevan and never scored a try.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
From there, he joined he joined the military, joined the navy.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And before he left to join the Navy, he said
to the secretary of the of the Roosters. He said,
I'm thinking about jumping off the boat and trying my
luck in the English game. And he said, well that
sounds pretty good. Let me write your letter of recommendation.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So wrote it.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He spent his time in the navy, got off and
he went to Leeds and he said letter of recommendation
on it was Brian Bevan.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'd love to have a trial. They looked at him.
Now got to understand about Brian Bevan.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
When Brian Bevan was twenty, he looked fifty he is
the most unlikely looking superstar sports that you'll ever see.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So LEDs looked at him, said not interested. When I
went to the hunt to hundred one hundred.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Hawks, they said, well if luds they went not interested leads,
not just we're not interested. Last trial that ice he
went to the Warrington to Warrington. They weren't called the
Warrington Wolves. In Warrington, see can I get a trial?
And they said, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Give him a guar.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He played six hundred and twenty games for Warrington and
he scored seven hundred and forty tries. Now if you
go to Warrington, what seven hundred and forty tries in
six hundred and twenty games? When you when you go
to Warrington, you know, if you go there at the
end of the year with the ashes design and you
call through, you've got to go through Warrington if you're
a regular person. And they got the statue of Brian
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Bevan there, so from a bloke who you know, no
tries in eight games, ends up going to England and
so good seven hundred and forty tries and they built
a statue for him.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And what era was Brian Bevan.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
In Bevan I think it was yeah, forties into the
fifties and the sixties.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Into the fifties. So when you went and watched Brian
Bevan live ground.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He could play. Yeah, maybe he could play. I said,
young fellow, you've got a future now signed.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Now the second one right, And I hope we're I'm
boring people this, but regul league history is important. Tom
van Vollenhoven, Now this guy was the South African rugby
union star and I want to get into the politics
on this episode of White A lot of South African
players went and played English rugby league, but he signed.
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He swapped to rugby league and he signed with St.
Helen's in nine fifty seven. He debuted against Leeds and
apparently Hon debut bombed numerous tries and they're like, what
have we signed here? But we go on to play
four hundred and nine games, three hundred and ninety two tries.
Incredible if you go back in rugby league history during
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that era. He had guys even before that called Harry
Bath who was legend at Saint George. I do I
think Harry Barth played about five hundred played out here,
then went to England played about five hundred and something games.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Even Johnston's record like was phenomenal. It is what he's
doing at the moment, and for him to be able
to get those tries be the number one on the list,
like every record is there to be broken, but jeez,
it's going to be hard to see that be broken
again because he potentially has another couple of years.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, keep me and things that.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
This is a really difficult leerate to play in because
of number one, really organized defense, the tape videotape analysis,
you know sitting there. I mean when these guys played
a lot of times, their opponents the first time they
would have ever seen anything of them was in their
standing opposite them, where these days in rugby league there
are very few secrets and be able to score the
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tries like aj has has been truly phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I'm going to give you some homework for a next show,
Alex Johnson, John six tries work out how many Codie
Walker has been involved in.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
She's going to go through some tape.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
There, just I want you to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
A romantic week Coops. Listen, we're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
About the Panthers and the Broncos potentially going on a run.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We've run out of Triumph, talking about that next week.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Mm hmmmmmmm
Coops State of Origin heading for a decider, which is
always a huge game.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Have you you played numerous deciders couple? Yeah, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Coming New South Wales. Yeah it is. It's the it's
obviously the pinnacle and the biggest games of the year,
and there's this sort of strange thing before kickoff you're
supremely confident, but then fear and terror kicks in because
it is the biggest game of the year and can
you do it? It's the one game that you'd love
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to be a part of. But then the other part
of it is you just don't want to be the
one that stuffs it up to.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Coops, and that is that is such a natural emotion.
It's the primary emotion going into big games. Is that
nervousness and total fear that you're going to be the bloke.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And home ground advantage plays a part. Now it's not everything,
but I just remember a couple of origin deciders a
sun call and it became a factor early on if
you started well. So for New South Wales need to
start well and that crowd will bring them home.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Just on on game two we'll have our saying it.
The big talk is DC going in the game and
whether it was going to be work or not. Given
the side he picked, it was always going to be
in hindsight. Clearly did going to congratulate Billy for that.
Munster elevating Munster captain was a master stroke and didn't
simplify their attack.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Best players, what do you think? Do you think Monster
was the best player on the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I thought Monster was the best player short half head
over Kirk Capewell, and I thought Payne Hasse and were
pretty pretty special.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had Ruben Connor as my own man for Queensland.
I thought his performance was outstanding, just defensively. I haven't
seen too many New South Wales players be put on
their backside through the work of Monster. Outstanding. I think
Tyler deserves a big rugby. He did everything he could
for New South Wales. But in terms of Monster in
the elevation the No DC, there was two parts to it.
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I think Queensland's halves were and spined to be fair,
were way more direct. Yes, they were arrows straight in
the way they attacked it. And Munster's sort of influence
on the team wasn't you know. It's the way that
he communicated. It was more that he just knew the
responsibility he had and he delivered with that. Like go
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back and watch when he walked out in the field.
Oh my goodness. He is a character. Everyone loves him,
but he was not going to let down his state
the way that he was dialed in and that simple
promotion to captain is that sole reason that he was
going to lead from the front.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Coop, I've never seen him so stonefaced and made one
point he sort of like almost shook with excitement, and
that would have been adrenaline and evidence of that Coop
was his first kick, like when he was adrenalized and
he was excited about the contest seven tackle set which
I thought New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Went down and scored from memory.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
But that's just as you know, Coop, it can be
a difficult thing going in a really big game when
you're playing in the harves and you've got to see
the side around the park and you got to make
smart decisions, you got to play with some new when
there's adrenaline pumping through you.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I know caramansa well and played a lot of forty
with him. I've never seen him like that. Before we
go and watching it, I just thought, oh my goodness,
this is the biggest moment his career up to that point.
You could tell how dialed in he was. He was
not going to take a backwards step and he's going
to lead from the front. And there was a couple
of moments from him, like running the football, a couple
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of early kicks that really got the job done. So
I just I really marveled at.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
What he did throughout Origin history just thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Think like Queensland, some of their greatest players have been
quite unheralded, if you know what I mean, that have
not been.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So much surprise selections.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
But you look out on paper and you go, oh yeah,
you know, like Gary Larson, if I made sense back there,
I mean, Billy Moore, what Billy you provided that emotion?
Dane Gaguy should go down as one of Queensland's great
Origin players.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Given the fact too. Wally Lewis medals from the wing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Kirk Cable's another one, and I sat on the show
last night, the old saying take an old dog for
the hard road.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
He's the evidence of that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I thought it was a good performance. I think there
was a couple of moments in that game. There's a
lot of talk around the penalties, but I think the
execution of New South Wales, particularly early in the game
helped Queensland. Yeah, there was adalso penalties or whatever, but
Leui kicked the ball out in the full, Nathan clearly
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had an attacking set through the ball behind paying Hess
there was an error. So there was a couple of
things that actually helped Queensland out a lot. And then
on the flip side in that second half, I thought
the New South Wales attack was very threatening to Queensland.
As a Queensland supporter, I thought they were going to score.
I thought New South Wales were coming moving left with
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the trail, moving right with Stephen Kricht. They just looked
like in that second half they were going to crack.
But I think the one thing that helped Queensland was
I thought Harry Grant was horrific early on. Months's running
game was direct, did and round the ball, ponger supported
through the middle. So in game three, trying to predict
what happens the edge attack of New South Wales looks good.
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The running game of Queensland. Spine is a truth.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You mentioned before and we talked about.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know, I spoke before about Gaguy Boon one of
the great origin players.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know what point with you?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Three tries again ran for over two hundred meters every
time he plays here, over two hundred meters. He always impacts.
Looking at some of the best origin wingers ever. You
know Willie Kahn, Michael Hancock, Darius Boy, Chicka Fergus and
Wendell Sailor Eric Gross like Kiri, you know where does
I mean is to number one?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah? I think, well, current players are still doing what
they're doing. It's hard to put them collivate above anyone else, right,
But I will tell you this. We have through the
history of our game and currently some super athletic wingers
they elevate themselves with a corner posts and put the
ball down. But I don't think there's a body shape
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with Brian to Or that's delivered the way that he's delivered. Like,
he doesn't elevate himself out around the corner posts. He
would just ram his body into you in the corner
of the field and say tackle me if you can.
And he normally gets there and he is like, go
watch what he did the early parts. He's smart. To
He realized that the defense of Queensland. We're probably going
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to try and lift him up and take him back.
He was running head first and towards the ground, just
doing the right thing for the team to get that
quick play of the ball and set someone else on.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
He's a great player. Diets to disgrace.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Twenty Did you think New South Wales is going to score?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
No, he didn't know, And I can use my sons
as evans. We didn't deserve to win and so often
coops the gods of rugby league, that's what they do.
But the bottom line is we just didn't deserve to
win game.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
He's a little bit of the footy IQ of what
makes Karen Monster smart. Go back and look in that
second half, clear who's running that play. He was passing
our back to Leui or Edwards. Months would fly up
out of the line and try and shut that down
because he knew he was under threat. This time with
a game of the line, he realized that paint hass
was an opportunity to catch the football on the first layer.
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Clearly plays to him. Instead of Months have flying out
the line, he sat there and hit the ball over
the top and dislodged it. So game awareness and the
biggest moment for months to stood up on Monster.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's interesting when that ability to run the football or
you know, being couraged to run the football at the time,
like for months, to have the have the and this
is going to sound odd, but have the discipline to
continue to play simple. And I'd love to know a
stat with Munster how many tries are scored off his
play the ball or how many tries are scored off
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he's offload. I know the Cape will try. I think
come from a monster ran the ball, engage to three.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Guys offloaded out the back.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's just because when he runs with football he just
attracts so many defenders.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Fifteen runs of the footing most of any Queensland player
and we highlight that. But I thought he kicked the
ball early and just really set the time for Queensland
the way that they had to do things. So yeah,
I thought it was a good performance.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Kicking early that. Yeah, you blokes in the last fifteen.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Years, it's an origin player that's been your staple when
the game's in the balance or no one can quite
you know, take superiority. So often see you blokes just
pop out, you know with yourself and the camera.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
On the left foot foot kick J two. It was monster.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The other night it was eight six. You blokes, but
a lot both sides coming up with a lot of errors.
Someone's trying to find rhythm. You blokes, go kick early,
big kick, Chase put pressure on New South Wales and
the pressure loves to Zach Lomax given the arrow of
the elbow and it goes up to toss it fourteen six.
Now I know it's only an eight point split, but
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in those conditions in Origin, that just squw It puts
a little bit more pressure.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I always thought to explain the Origin play. If you
were to defending your goal line for two, three, four
sets in a row and you stop the opposition from scoring.
I always thought kicking, if you get good momentum and
tackle three or four, that next set is almost like
a sign of the opposition you tried your best, but
we're coming again, and it's almost they have to get
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the carry out of their own end. Isolate the fullback,
ragged all the fullback and you actually start changing momentum.
So Cameron used to do it all the time because
at dummy half you're the first touch, everyone's on side.
It was easier to do it from that position, because
if you went to the half, it's a pass. The
fullback reads it sometimes. But that's why it's an origin play,
because you're actually forcing the opposition to do things I
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don't want to do.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I hear you like certain terminology sometimes and when you southway,
I've got a bit of an ascendency.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
We're going at you.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You guys use the term absorb pressure, not so much
repel it, but absorb the pressure then CounterPunch your here
that all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So if the team's got attacking possession on the goal
line and you can absorb that pressure one, two, three sets,
you watch the halves start going to option three, four
and five. When you got them going to their third
or fourth option, you know that you've got them rattled
a little bit. So they might have started off with
a sequence of players, but then this long pass or
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an early kick comes into play. You've got them rattled
because your first two options aren't working. When you sense
that it's time to change momentum and kick early.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've spoken monster before.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I think when we talk greater storage and players and
you know, removing let's remove state bias here, I think
he is he's got to be in the discussion.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You're Monster in your top ten Origin players of all time?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Absolutely I do. Yep, Well, yeah, you have coops.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Have a look at his record, right, just have Luke
Monster's record from his debut where he got a man
at the match.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
There's been very few Origin.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Games where he hasn't stood up and he has been
the guy oftentimes in Queensland state of origin sites that
haven't been like as strong as I mean that that
team that the won so many series in a row,
like Munster came in on the back of that era, right,
but then when he come into prominence as a senior player,
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those sides weren't as strong. But you know twenty twenty,
the COVID years, you know that what he did in
that series. Every single time Corneysland needs something or needs someone,
most of the time it's Monster.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He is the most influential Queensland player today.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But I don't have him in my top ten.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, Let's make some enemies, let's go, right, it gives
your top ten in no particular.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I just sort of went, you know, who were the
best players that I think for New South Wales and Queensland.
For New South Wales I've just got Fitler, Badera's Daily
and John's. Okay, thanks, So those for me, these four
for me are the ones that have Captain lad influenced outcomes.
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The are the ones I think about. But I will
say in terms of Queensland, I've got by society, I've
just got more Queenland players that have influenced so Lewis
Alpha mal like. I think from those days they were
the most influential and then from the time that I play.
I don't think you can separate lockey Smith versus English.
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I couldn't leave out any of those.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's it is, it's really hard when you sit there
and go with I'll give you some of the ones
I've left. I've left g I out, Yeah, I couldn't
couldn't put him in. I've left Brett Kenny out. I've
left Darren Lockyer out, June Miles, Glenn Lass.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
You've left Lockeye out.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yes, so some he make.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And I've left out Laza and I've left I left
out Steve Mordon.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I know you're looking go you know I Steve.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Morton, but I'll talk about him in the second we're
discuss But I've gone Wally given Andrew John's, Cameron Smith,
Billy Slater, Jonathan Thurston, all those sides in your order,
No lord, but I mean this is the thing to
leave our guys like Lockie and June, Miles, Brett Canning
and so on.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's because that era, that one, that that side that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Came through and just completely dominated our origin where arguably
the greatest Origin run of all time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so where have I gone?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I've gone to Thurston, So Wally, Joey, Cameron, Billy Thurston,
Laurie Day, Brady Clyde, Malmaninger, Alan Langer, Cameron Munster.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, hard to argue with any of those, like Clyde
for me being a young Queensland like, he was such
a good player, like so good he revolutionized the.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Way he changed, He changed the game.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
How third he's played because thirteen's coop used to be
clever short side players like Ray Price, incredibly tough.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But underrated as playmaker. You know, guys like.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But what they used to call it the thirteen in
the English game was the loose forward.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He was like a second five eighth.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Clyde, come along mate, you knock the ball down the field,
He get back and take play too.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Going through the list, and so it is not the
best player, but I so wanted to put Arthur beats
it in there just because of without Arthur like origin
isn't not what it is. What he did in that
nineteen eighty game and what he's done for queens over passed.
So he's almost the pioneer for Queensland. If I was
to say who the pioneer for New South Wales is
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or was, who's that?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it's tempted. You look at guys like you Tomy
donic As in the early years.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But the one who taught, who was a big part
of teaching New South Wales to win and what it
took to win.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Steve Mortimer.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
He was the captain in eighty five and and the
players just said he was outstanding. Terry Fernley was the coach,
but on minus N Terry Fernley gave a lot of
the power to Turvy and Turvy just he rallied the
troops and he got it done.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Who was probably arguably.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Of any New South Wales the best as far as
the series concerned. The best captain is knocking a series
because he just turned it around so much for us.
You know, we were just under the pump every single
you know, to sit us New South Walshman those early
years and just you know, you bloke's just given it
to us and to us to an extent, Coop, the
old thing where they say New South Wales doesn't get
orangin back then, we didn't, you know, the first ever
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origin game.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I heard this one the other day was when, of.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Course, Coop, you know the history where if you're a
Coeensland and you come down and play for Sydney club.
I was explaining this to someone the other day and
sort of going the essence of white to coins Land
hate New South Wales more than the other way around.
You know, maybe that's not true, but and I explained
it was that the really big Richard said Sydney clubs
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would sign the best Queensland players and as a result
they had to play for New South Wales. And when
that first game was announced for Queensland in all those
Queensland players to return to Queensland and have those great
players like Arthur return, they reckon it was just like
the excitement amongst the things and like the Queensland side
they said before the game and the build up were
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just right on the bit New South Wales night for
the game.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We're having a beer. They were drinking.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It wasn't until they turned up to play that game
at land Park they reckoned. They walked in and Tommy
said to the term in the dressing room, hellmatee the ambushes,
they said when they walked into land Park they were
just getting abused and screamed up.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
He said, mate, this is this is totally well.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That inspired a generation of Queensland. Is what Arthur did
that side because you know Kevy tells in st about
how him and his brothers fought cut through the fence
wanted to be there. So multiply that by multiple Queensland people.
That is a is a part of the history of
why Queensland have a feeling and love and connection. When
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it comes to Origentie.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Brod a Coop's club Land, what are you a bit
of trained sporting? What are you go for me?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, we've given this guy a huge wrap over the
course of the air as a cartier. The Knights versus Dolphins,
it was twenty or with about fifteen minutes to go
and neither side got a field goal in Yes, the
Knights won it. They got lucky. In my opinion, but
this is a cartel with eight and a half minutes ago.
He is in perfect position in a tight contest, but
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decides to run the football. They try and go for
the try, bounces back in here and they turn over possession.
He should have taken a shot. Then there's no doubt
he's development. He should have taken it. A couple of
minutes later, six minutes ago, it's a bit further out.
He's on the left hand side, the right side for
the right foot. It swings to the other side and
kicks a ball. There's an opportunity to win the game
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for the Dolphins. Then the Newcastle Knights they get down
to the other end and there's about a minute to
go that Jones scores to try to win it. But
look here, Koger tackled Klein on the left hand side,
Crosslin comes from other side. Didn't even think about the
field goal. That's about a minute to go on the clock.
So I think there's a couple of things that both
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these teams really need to look at and understand that
when you get inside ten in a close game and
you can go for the tribe, but you've got to
set up and have a crack. Particularly inside five minutes,
it's your first thought.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
At what point, Coop, when you played, was the time
to go for it? Because let's imagine it's twenty all
and it's eleven minutes to go. Is that the do
you get for the field goal? Then what is the point?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Ten minutes was always my mark, But around that ten
minute mark, being a right footer, I always shifted the ball,
tried to shift it to the left hand side, so
if I had the chance, I could just set back
one in and take the shot, whereas if you go
to the right it's a more difficult approach. But then
inside five minutes less is more one to one to
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kick the ball. And the other thing too, is the
time that you want to kick in is get your
best play the ball with the fastest speed to take
that run. It was Billy at the Storm, was Boy
Corner at the Roosters, So you need to put some
thought into it. But the simple fact is not one
person in that field thought about it and didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Take the shot completely like a composure, What do you
got for me?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Well, mine is around great try scorers, and I'm going
to talk about three guys here. Alice Johnson of course
is on the cusp of breaking Kenny Irvines try scoring records.
You need seven more. This will be one of the
biggest storylines going into the back end of the year
as we head in the.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, but I thought myself, do you think he gets there? Yeah?
I do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I think he gets it. Cody, Yeah, Cody's back. Cody
is vital to that. Apparently he's back this week.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
If he does get it, the game needs to make
it a big milestone. I don't know if you open
up the stadium or whatever you do, but it needs
to be a memorable moment.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It'll be massive.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It'd be great to see, you know, as far as
security consider, they might like you see the af L
when Plaguerker did it and Buddy Franklin, they just flood.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It'd be great to see something.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
But when he breaks out record, he's going to join
a really exclusive club people like Ken Irvine.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
But I want to talk about the two greatest tri
scorers of all time.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Phil called Brian Bevan and the other fellow, which I'm
pretty sure very few people have heard about unless you're
a some Helen supporter Phela called Tom van Vollenhoven. Right now,
so let's talk about this firstly Brian Bevan. Now you know,
so we're talking about the record here Kenny Irvins called
two hundred and twelve tries in two hundred and thirty
six games.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Alex Cahner twelve tries yep, two thirty six games.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Now I want to talk about Brian Bevan for said coops,
because he played.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
He started.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
He was born in Sydney and he played with your
old side, the Roosters. Played eight games for the Roosters
Brian Bevan and never scored a try.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
From there, he joined he joined the military, joined the navy.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And before he left to join the Navy, he said
to the secretary of the of the Roosters. He said,
I'm thinking about jumping off the boat and trying my
luck in the English game. And he said, well that
sounds pretty good. Let me write your letter of recommendation.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So wrote it.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He spent his time in the navy, got off and
he went to Leeds and he said letter of recommendation
on it was Brian Bevan.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'd love to have a trial. They looked at him.
Now got to understand about Brian Bevan.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
When Brian Bevan was twenty, he looked fifty he is
the most unlikely looking superstar sports that you'll ever see.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So LEDs looked at him, said not interested. When I
went to the hunt to hundred one hundred.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Hawks, they said, well if luds they went not interested leads,
not just we're not interested. Last trial that ice he
went to the Warrington to Warrington. They weren't called the
Warrington Wolves. In Warrington, see can I get a trial?
And they said, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Give him a guar.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He played six hundred and twenty games for Warrington and
he scored seven hundred and forty tries. Now if you
go to Warrington, what seven hundred and forty tries in
six hundred and twenty games? When you when you go
to Warrington, you know, if you go there at the
end of the year with the ashes design and you
call through, you've got to go through Warrington if you're
a regular person. And they got the statue of Brian
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Bevan there, so from a bloke who you know, no
tries in eight games, ends up going to England and
so good seven hundred and forty tries and they built
a statue for him.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And what era was Brian Bevan.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
In Bevan I think it was yeah, forties into the
fifties and the sixties.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Into the fifties. So when you went and watched Brian
Bevan live ground.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He could play. Yeah, maybe he could play. I said,
young fellow, you've got a future now signed.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Now the second one right, And I hope we're I'm
boring people this, but regul league history is important. Tom
van Vollenhoven, Now this guy was the South African rugby
union star and I want to get into the politics
on this episode of White A lot of South African
players went and played English rugby league, but he signed.
(23:31):
He swapped to rugby league and he signed with St.
Helen's in nine fifty seven. He debuted against Leeds and
apparently Hon debut bombed numerous tries and they're like, what
have we signed here? But we go on to play
four hundred and nine games, three hundred and ninety two tries.
Incredible if you go back in rugby league history during
(23:52):
that era. He had guys even before that called Harry
Bath who was legend at Saint George. I do I
think Harry Barth played about five hundred played out here,
then went to England played about five hundred and something games.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Even Johnston's record like was phenomenal. It is what he's
doing at the moment, and for him to be able
to get those tries be the number one on the list,
like every record is there to be broken, but jeez,
it's going to be hard to see that be broken
again because he potentially has another couple of years.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, keep me and things that.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
This is a really difficult leerate to play in because
of number one, really organized defense, the tape videotape analysis,
you know sitting there. I mean when these guys played
a lot of times, their opponents the first time they
would have ever seen anything of them was in their
standing opposite them, where these days in rugby league there
are very few secrets and be able to score the
(24:48):
tries like aj has has been truly phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I'm going to give you some homework for a next show,
Alex Johnson, John six tries work out how many Codie
Walker has been involved in.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
She's going to go through some tape.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
There, just I want you to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
A romantic week Coops. Listen, we're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
About the Panthers and the Broncos potentially going on a run.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We've run out of Triumph, talking about that next week.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Mm hmmmmmmm
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