March 31, 2025 • 25 mins
Matty & Cooper with their big talking points from Round 4- including DCE's statement, Bulldogs' status, Lomax's best position & 2025's break out players.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coop the decision ahead for Delia tree Evans where it's
almost certain that you know he's going to play on
he's leaving a club he's with for a long time.
You're in a situation Coop, you're the Meltom's toom for
a long long time. You can be one club man
and then right at the back end in your last
couple of years, you chose to go somewhere else, like
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he's got a couple of options available.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think my situation is a little bit different. Reason
for me to leave Melbourne was pure because my family
and future in Sydney, So my decision was based around
family first and then football ended up being second. Whereas
I think Day sort of said that, you know, financially
and still wanting to play and compete. There's a guy
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that hasn't played in a Grand Final since twenty thirteen,
so I dare say his next sort of decision we're
based around. For me, Look, there was a couple of
clubs involved, a few in the bottom mate, but with
that been rude like it didn't want to go at
thirty four years of age and spend the majority of
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my time tackling. So the desire to a couple of
teams at the top eight approached and put it down.
I foundly based in Sydney, the Roosters were Cherry right
for the picking. They had played in three or four
prelim finals in the leader and didn't need a I
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didn't need a half back to how can I explain this?
Didn't need a half back the set up more tries
or score more tries. They needed someone who they could
rely on and come up with good decisions at the
right time. So it all fixed up. But I was
a couple of weeks away from retiring until the Rousters
came very very late. It just ticked all the boxes
for me. So if I was guessing about Cherry Evans,
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look he's going to go to a club that he
was going to chance to win a Grand Final. Okay,
thirty six years of age, hasn't played one for twelve years,
only one one in his first year of first grade,
so most things in the game.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So if we sit there right and there's Dolphins to
a certain extent, Titans, but that would really surprise. You've
got the Roosters, who I still think are the favorites,
and you've got the Dogs who Guss has come out
and said no, no, no, But Gus is very clever
and he's shrewd and there's no way in the world.
And I said this on the show last night. He's
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not going to stand up and to clear mate, we're
going for him. And that just intensifies this whole process.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well again that we're only speculating here, but guy at
thirty six y years of age, he's very considered in
the way he goes about it, very professional. The longer
he leaves is the less opportunity for maximum money comes
into play because people start signing. So look it can right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'll ask you, you're daily Cherry Evans. You've got the Titans,
the Dolphins, throwing, the Dogs and the Roosters. Where does
he go?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
And he's staying here in Sydney, Dogs and the Roosters.
Of a chance that would come.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Where would you go if I had all those options available,
I gather dogs. That's where I go. I think the
Dogs are on the up, they're looking it's early in
the season, but they're four from four, they're defending like
a top four side. I think he'd be pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But are the dogs if it's those two? Right? And
I was making a decision around whether to go for Daily,
I would like to see how he delivers in the
next four to six weeks. Now he was great the
other day, terrific, He handled the media, played well and
then did another media opportunity afterwards. If he can galvanize
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merely the way the mainly is fractured at the moment
and win the majority of his game, I think he's
got Melbourne this week, got Penrith are in there somewhere,
and win the majority of his six games. That's leadership
and that's a team. That's a player who can take
your team to a Grand Final.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I've always been of the mind Cooper that these sort
of things are an experienced player leaving our club legend
leaving at the end of the year has Although it
can be a little bit of distraction, footballer is just
get on with stuff. But this one, up until probably
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when I went home last night and sat and watched
the whole press conference, I sort of thought I made
players would just get on with this. This won't be
a distraction. But it's getting particularly nasty and.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's why I think it's up to Daily to galvanize.
He's the one because if they beat Melbourne. I think
Penrith are in there that maybe someone else that's in
the top four. If they can win. The majority of
those are at home, by the way too, So if
they can galvanize and play because their team is on
the cusp of potentially finishing the top four and winning
something this year, that's down to Daily bring that group together.
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If they play lack luster football, it's because Daily hasn't
been able to authentically get that group to focus on
what's recorded.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Ok, let's talk about the football yesterday and so far
this year. When we talk about Manly, we say this
inc insistencies and that you know, we oftentimes see them
get away me and Miles now particularly sometimes at home,
and suddenly you think, you think yourself, they're going to
put thirty or forty points. It's going to be a
big win, and then everything sort of comes to a
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bit of a stop or they subside. Now, yesterday it
was eighteen minutes gone something like that. They fourteen from
fourteen sets. They're completely at one hundred percent. They're playing
great football. Their opponents are on the ropes and they're
leading twelve nil. At that point I sat and not
third right, boys, what are you going to do with this,
and again they just pulled back there.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You want to put foot down and go for it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You want to go for it. I mean, if it's
Melbourne or Penrith at full strength, when they're in that,
you hand them that situation, what are they going to
do well?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think they did that against the Raiders and the
Cowboys at different stages. Yes, the Eels, I'm going to
give them a bit of slack there. The one thing
I always have question mark around Manly this year and
last year was can their four pack dominate a good,
strong opposition forward pack and can they defend for long
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enough against good attacking teams their attack stands up. I'm
not dismissing that, but that's going to be the question mark.
They were playing Paramount with all due respect yesterday. They
just did what they had to do to get the victory.
But when Paramatta scored late in the second half, Cherry
Evans stood up, Brooks went to the game. They scored
those two tries to put it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I just think it's bad practice coups. I mean, we're
going to talk about Carnal a little late.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Maybe nine and a half out of ten every week,
but I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, you can't, you can't. You can't beat the best
sides when when you get used to playing forty minute football.
We saw that with last week. We spoke about the
Caronal like that, that lack of killer instinct and you
know against our sidior and you go here we go.
It could be a forty point victory and their second
half was terrible and that carried on into the Dog's game.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I know it's only week five, but with Cherry Evans's situation,
they play Melbourne this week Melbourne lost to the Dragons,
they will be up and about contest. We will work
out what Cherry Evans mainly are this weekend if they
can put a good victory in against Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yesterday he saw something around Lomax.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, so there's a lot of talk around Lomax, winger, center,
whatever went to the Eels to place center. His performances
on the wing at rep level and different stages have
been top shelf. But defensively, if you want to be
a dominant center in this competition, you need to defend
ber than Zach. I don't think he's a center. Look
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at this against round one verse Melbourne going to the
outside just tunnel vision for his off center and create
space for Munster. Now they didn't get hurt there, But
you can't have tunnel vision. You to have your head
on a swivel and make multiple decisions at center position.
And again on the weekend against Manly, he did exactly
the same. He only had eyes for Turbo. Here goes
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out of the line, completely opens up a passageway for
Ben Trovoyvitch to come through. Now, I know he wants
to play center, but you don't play center making defensive
decisions like that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's interesting like that coups because when he defends at center,
like he's pushing himself out of the line of trying
to make those decisions. When he's playing on the wing,
if he's got a fault, it's just he's disconnected. He's
a little bit too far back.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So to explain, the center is the decision maker defensively
whether they go up or out, and the winger follows.
So the reason why he's much better on the wing
is because he follows what someone else does in terms
of making decisions. Here he's gone for Turbo completely out
of the line and just towed Ben Trovoyvitch through the
whole he's showing me things that he just is a
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winger every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
At the moment, Yeah, Dolphins are still the Dolphins. For
a second. They played, of course, the Broncos, and our
knock has been a little bit like their attack has
been very, very sideways. Outside outside of Isaiah Katowa, some
of their formations have been awful. And again the other night,
and I'll show an example here. You know they're on
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the attack. This is early in the game, but Herbie
Farnworth is almost almost at the far post. Now I
can understand sometimes you have you set these little trick
plays up and whatnot, but this this can be the exception.
But it's it's it's basically the rule where they're in
there and that is just setting up for sideways, sideways
ball movement. The attorney scat Stags all night defended inside
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out in a slide formation. As you know, that's the
easiest way to tackle.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
If you're going to beat anyone one on one, you
have to have the thread of going inside or outside. Here,
if Herbie Farmers only got one way to go one way,
and the flip side of that is that's good defense
from Catoni stags. It doesn't come out of the line,
doesn't create space exact climax on the other side.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But as you know, when you're defending, for people to
actually go up and defend from the inside out, that's
a really comfortable tackle. It's when someone comes spearing at
your inside childer, We're going to make the decision like
am I going to slide or I'm going to go
in and make that tackle. And they got it right
once the Dolphins, Yep, Tom Gilber, look at this. This
is an example. Catoni wants to slide straight through, straight
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through on the inside shoulder there because Katoni wants to
defend inside out, and they got it right and never
went back there.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
This was early on in the game of the Dolphins,
and I thought, oh, look out, first couple of sets,
they're up and about for this contest. But as the
game went on, tough conditions in the weent sideways movement,
no sort forward thrust from the play the ball, and
they just got caught out big time. And that's one
of my issues with the Dolphins is I know about you,
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but I actually give a cart a pass mark. Definitely
no wins four losses and you're giving a half back
a tick shows to me that I know they're in
the conversation for going for Cherry Evans, but they need
someone explosive in the middle of the field to create
ruck speed. I think they've got a half back that
might deliver them a premiership, but they need some forward thrust,
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some big bodies like Finnifiularki is the only real athletic guy.
They've got workers, real good guys, but mix it up
a little bit and go after old Glas at paying Harts.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
For someone like that to create be handy. Having a
really experienced top line half pack around Isaiah tow it's
really mentoring. You know, someone who's thirty six and there's
one competitions a long time ago, someone who's played for
Australia and State of Origin. Do you know anyone let's.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Be down for four that can bend the line and
Correctuick play the balls for him.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
We'll talked about Kato last week, some beautiful little bit
pieces of ballplaying, old school ball playing where he went up,
he looked in and then played to the outside. The
other night he's added to this he does a little
bit of what Jason Smith used to do this a
little bit, show out, show in, back out again. It's
almost like, you know, it's a double cross play.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's like a game of poker. It is tiding his
guards and telling a little lie with a look and
a shape. But then he's doing the flip side of
defenders out everything the Dolphins are doing right now, has
Cartea doing something good?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know at some ballplayer scored a try, he's set
up a couple. There's just not enough around him.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
That's right. And we said before in that instance it
was like a third movement rather than just look in
play out. It was one, two three. Now this one
we're about to see now is more subtle. Now, this
is very Jason Smith. He goes to the line, he
looks short, then he feigns like he's going to go
around the back, and then goes back short again. Just
it's only a subtle thing. But that man who's the
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decision maker on the outside, you know, that's that's really
that's a really it's like you see pain just turned
in there. When you used to play against Jason Smith,
he dawed loved the line. Then he just pause and
you'd pause and it was it was unnerving, and Kato
has got a bit of that in here.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I think if you play at one speed, you don't
you're not a threat to the defensive line. And if
you play it once, you've got to show multiple deception
with your eyes, your hips, or the way that you
fake a pass. And Carto then did it perfectly because
he did the double pump and then when he went
accelerated paint hussment, Oh, actually I need to lean into you,
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and that crowded the one on one last week.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Talking about the Dolphins and their sideways ball movement, we
said to really strip the defense short. You've got that
initially on the first receiver play. It really helps if
it's a really tight, fast play, you know, and not
not a play where there's lag like one past two
past a shape that you go up there. There's lots
of bodies of motion and the shape sort of unfurls
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at the last second, and that's what really unnerves the
defense and makes some clothes in. Adam Rends is very
very good and he showed it the other night. Just
a little one here, one past two pass, three bodies
of emotion and that's how you're stripped short.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So long field position, big elaborate play. The halfback whose
first receiver needs that can a lot of players in
the middle of the field. Way you do that is
either play arrow, straight and direct with a lot of
support around you, or if you're doing the crossfield movement.
But when he goes across here, he hides the ball
with his rotation of his body, and that thinks Mark
Nichols turns in because he thinks the ball's gone. So
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the fact that he went slow hid the ball from
vision of the defenders, then quickly turned a corner made
the Dolphins defense collapse, and that created the space outside.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Defense. Defense wins competitions, and defense is a little bit attitude.
And the Dogs are defending like the top four side.
They've got the best defense in the competition at the moment.
Do you think they finished top four if well, it's
a lot way out. But if you say to me, Maddie,
I'll give you a four to one about the Dogs
finishing top four, I take it he saw all of
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that money well here, handsome over there, But yeah, I would, Yeah,
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's one of the more impressive performances I've seen under
their desperation, their ability to squeeze and frustrate the Sharks.
A couple of individual efforts. There was one from Harry
Hayes in the first half with the ball got sort
of the backfield, he dived on it. Another one from
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Marni and Montoya really late. You can build a season
on these efforts and this cohesion. And I like the
way that Sereraldo went about the game because they played
the Titans, Eels and the Dragons in the first three weeks.
They did the fundamentals of terms of completion, generate good
kicking game, and defend well. You can beat most teams
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in the first month doing that, but they knew they
had to go up another level against the Sharks, who
at that stage were playing very good, and they delivered.
They defensively went to another level. I like what Preston
did on the left edge with no kickout. Hayward was
good as well. Yeah, they were very impressive. I think
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that was the best performance of the weekend. The Dogs.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You played with Till, I mean they brought him for
his leadership, obviously in his.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Experience, presence and physicality.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
He made his physicality.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
He runs the ball, he pumps those legs like he's
just fighting for every inn.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Some of the shots. He put that shot on.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Trindle like, yes, he's been charged and suspended and I've
been in Trindle's position before. That hurts. That's not cool.
But he puts the threat and the ballplayer to go
close to the line. It almost thinks I'm going to
play a meter and a half earlier and therefore your
defense can layer off and make a better decisions. But
he's intimidating people at the moment.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'll give you three to one on the Sharks making
top forty. You take it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I like him. Do you buying or selling?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I didn't really buy at the start, so I can't sell.
I'm just undecided. Coops their football so far that she
has been really it's been inconsistent. There's been a couple
of things to worrying me. In Vegas. They're in a
position to beat Penrith that night, couldn't do it. The
game against the Cowboys was very strong. They were good
there got to say Cowboys at that point really struggling,
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but fair played. They were very very good first half
against South Sydney the best half of football so far
this year. Their second half was average and they're come
up against the dog site who's playing with that dogs
of war mentality with physicality, and they're beating them. They've
just dogs controlled the whole contest through aggression.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I thought the Sharks were up for it for forty minutes,
but then came out and got sort of frustrated and
didn't perform. Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I'm
back in Fitzgibbon to manipulate this team the way he
wants to like. They've played finals under him every year.
They won a big final last year to get that
monkey off their back. Adam phanil Blake brings something. Trindle
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and Heinz are still working, but I like where they're at.
I think they can put it together. Do they win
a big prelim final playing their first grand final for
a while. I don't know, but I think they're a
team that we're thinking about after twenty rounds going down
a chance.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Some little things he last week we spoke about halves
combinations working This combination oftentimes not in the same player,
but one after the other. We use an example Lucky
Galvin and then lew I took the next play and
complimented what he did. Good example here a J Brimston
and Jayden Campbell. If you go back and have a
look at the first try from the gold Coase, Campbell
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puts a dentinum Aj follows it straight up.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
As a half, normally you pick a front rower that
when they carry the ball and they create rock speed,
you'll definitely follow them next. It's like you're fullback following
someone who can offload. But I think for the Titans,
once Campbell goes, I think Brimston needs to touch the
ball the next vice versa. It's almost like when you're
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having sort of fullbacks in the halves position, you need
to What fullbacks do better than most players on the
field is they find space. So they'll drift across field
looking for space and then they'll attack it. What the
Titans shouldn't do is play from confined field positions. They
don't need to play from short field positions and expect
Brimson and camel to do something a lot of second
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phase play long field positions. Let them drift across and
once they find something, a show and go might break
him open. If one gets tackled, the other half goes
after that.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Just on tour with some of the young blows coming
through at the moment. Little mention of the dragons still
an egan coming off the bench. Well donder him really
had an impact in the other For South Synty, Leon LeBlanc,
I've seen him in the extended bench and that was
first time I've really seen him have some serious time
and he was really impressive. Make canbra He got a
batch of young blokes coming through camera. There's eight or
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nine of them that which might be behind the foggedy
situation was soon at the moment, I reckon it's the
best patch of young blokes Camera brought through in decades.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, they went down the England recruiting system and that
got benefits. Played some prelim finals, got to a Grand Final.
It seems as though they've gone and targeted, whether it's
in their system or externally, the next crop who was stuck.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Behind coops talking about young players to a state of
origin and I'll talk from a new South Wales perspective.
You for Queensland, give me three emerging players you reckon
could break into the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know if these guys will play this year,
but in terms of the future, I like what Peter
kur has done at Brisbane, like played a lot more
football last year and the kevy and you struggling to
find his spot on imagine. But when he puts it together,
his physical he's intimidating. He's got leg speed. I think
he's got a good engine that can play on the edge.
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I think Howeth from the storm he sort of sits
in that sort of like a big body who has
learned the art of playing center and may move into
the back right some stage, but I think playing the
grand finally, him having that combination of monster, he might
be something. And I'll tell you what, young rong toy
from the roosters center. He's got some athleticis.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's been good. I think might not.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Be this year, but at some stage I think those
three guys that play.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Next cup mate, tell what blake for me. Jacob Preston. Firstly,
he's been terrific the last two seasons, but he's gone
to another level now. He's really fulfilling his potential. I
think he's I actually think he's a future captain New
South Wales.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What I like about him as a back rower sometimes
as a half you want like a big kick out
who's intimidating scary and you can use up as as
a weapon. But he is so reliable, Preston, when you
go to the line as a half, he is in
exactly the right position at exactly the right time. And
you can pick apart teams if you've got that someone
who's rock solid and will be there for you. So
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he was.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
He was tremendous, tremendous. Bronson Cherry on the same side
he has been since he's come in to that side.
Came in last year. He was fantastic. I would have
possibly thrown him in last year. I think he's I
think he's got the physique and the mentality to be
a State of Origin player. Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'll remind you that later in the year, Latrell Mitchell, anything.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Else, I'll throw a couple of mores. Okay, this one
and the other bloke just on classes like he might
be a few more years away. But Lehigh HOBBLEWARDI Lehigh
has just that bit of magic about him. I heard
Brandy say that yesterday when one of the players held
the ball up and he said, if it was anyone
other than Lehigh HOBBLEWARDI, I'd say he got it down.
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He's just made the hands like there was that one
a couple of years ago where it was the cross
kick coming across for the try. He just caught it
on the run and threw it back in. And on
the weekend Coop, early in the game Paramount knock one
down field in the wet and Lehigh just went caught
it like that. He's phenomenal talent. Lastly, Cop, want to
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say this the return of well, it's an abbreviated kangaroo too.
It's the Ashes series, the return in England. Coop, it'll
be boy. This bring brings back some memories.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Stuart Line break tips, Melmuran Inger in.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Best Game all the Time Wembley Maybe second No, that
was Second Test ninety ninety at Old Trafford, Manchester. But
eighty two and eighty six coups like, there's a book
written about the eighty two tour. It was called it
was I think it was. It was written by English guys.
It's called the Tour that changed rugby forever, not just
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rugby union but rugby league. You know, Si, when you
look back in the history of Australia going over and
touring having an Ashes series, it was always real tough,
like you know, it would be really tough. Hartford Series
seventy eight was a really tough series. Then we arrived
in eighty two and whatever had happened between those four years,
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when when the Kangaroos got there, like they were just
streets of head of in England were just not prepared.
I think in that time state of origin a bit
invent vented, but the standard I think as far as training,
as far as skill work, that eighty two side, when
you watch the football they played over there, it was
just remarkable. It was incredible for the game over there.
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All these tours, thirty thousand registrations already for priority tickets
in England, thirty thousand sold already First Test at Wembley,
which for the players would just be so special. Second
Test Everton's new ground in Liverpool, Third one headingly Leeds.
So I urge people who love the game, like guys
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who are younger demographic is, go back and watch that
eighty two and eighty six tours. Have look at the
test matches, you know, combinations like you know, well, I'll
see you how good eighty two was?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It was that good at sight in eighty two?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Please you didn't make it, Yes, eighty two was so
good that Wally lew was on the bench. You had
guys like Wally Lewis eighty six mal come off the bench,
so they were just powerhouse sides and yeah, very great memories.
I loved it just getting up at one o'clock in
the morning watching those games. Taste taste the right Backs,
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the reason I love the game. Put on your man
Coop the decision ahead for Delia tree Evans where it's
almost certain that you know he's going to play on
he's leaving a club he's with for a long time.
You're in a situation Coop, you're the Meltom's toom for
a long long time. You can be one club man
and then right at the back end in your last
couple of years, you chose to go somewhere else, like
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he's got a couple of options available.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think my situation is a little bit different. Reason
for me to leave Melbourne was pure because my family
and future in Sydney, So my decision was based around
family first and then football ended up being second. Whereas
I think Day sort of said that, you know, financially
and still wanting to play and compete. There's a guy
(00:45):
that hasn't played in a Grand Final since twenty thirteen,
so I dare say his next sort of decision we're
based around. For me, Look, there was a couple of
clubs involved, a few in the bottom mate, but with
that been rude like it didn't want to go at
thirty four years of age and spend the majority of
(01:07):
my time tackling. So the desire to a couple of
teams at the top eight approached and put it down.
I foundly based in Sydney, the Roosters were Cherry right
for the picking. They had played in three or four
prelim finals in the leader and didn't need a I
(01:28):
didn't need a half back to how can I explain this?
Didn't need a half back the set up more tries
or score more tries. They needed someone who they could
rely on and come up with good decisions at the
right time. So it all fixed up. But I was
a couple of weeks away from retiring until the Rousters
came very very late. It just ticked all the boxes
for me. So if I was guessing about Cherry Evans,
(01:51):
look he's going to go to a club that he
was going to chance to win a Grand Final. Okay,
thirty six years of age, hasn't played one for twelve years,
only one one in his first year of first grade,
so most things in the game.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So if we sit there right and there's Dolphins to
a certain extent, Titans, but that would really surprise. You've
got the Roosters, who I still think are the favorites,
and you've got the Dogs who Guss has come out
and said no, no, no, But Gus is very clever
and he's shrewd and there's no way in the world.
And I said this on the show last night. He's
(02:23):
not going to stand up and to clear mate, we're
going for him. And that just intensifies this whole process.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well again that we're only speculating here, but guy at
thirty six y years of age, he's very considered in
the way he goes about it, very professional. The longer
he leaves is the less opportunity for maximum money comes
into play because people start signing. So look it can right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'll ask you, you're daily Cherry Evans. You've got the Titans,
the Dolphins, throwing, the Dogs and the Roosters. Where does
he go?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
And he's staying here in Sydney, Dogs and the Roosters.
Of a chance that would come.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Where would you go if I had all those options available,
I gather dogs. That's where I go. I think the
Dogs are on the up, they're looking it's early in
the season, but they're four from four, they're defending like
a top four side. I think he'd be pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But are the dogs if it's those two? Right? And
I was making a decision around whether to go for Daily,
I would like to see how he delivers in the
next four to six weeks. Now he was great the
other day, terrific, He handled the media, played well and
then did another media opportunity afterwards. If he can galvanize
(03:41):
merely the way the mainly is fractured at the moment
and win the majority of his game, I think he's
got Melbourne this week, got Penrith are in there somewhere,
and win the majority of his six games. That's leadership
and that's a team. That's a player who can take
your team to a Grand Final.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I've always been of the mind Cooper that these sort
of things are an experienced player leaving our club legend
leaving at the end of the year has Although it
can be a little bit of distraction, footballer is just
get on with stuff. But this one, up until probably
(04:16):
when I went home last night and sat and watched
the whole press conference, I sort of thought I made
players would just get on with this. This won't be
a distraction. But it's getting particularly nasty and.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's why I think it's up to Daily to galvanize.
He's the one because if they beat Melbourne. I think
Penrith are in there that maybe someone else that's in
the top four. If they can win. The majority of
those are at home, by the way too, So if
they can galvanize and play because their team is on
the cusp of potentially finishing the top four and winning
something this year, that's down to Daily bring that group together.
(04:47):
If they play lack luster football, it's because Daily hasn't
been able to authentically get that group to focus on
what's recorded.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Ok, let's talk about the football yesterday and so far
this year. When we talk about Manly, we say this
inc insistencies and that you know, we oftentimes see them
get away me and Miles now particularly sometimes at home,
and suddenly you think, you think yourself, they're going to
put thirty or forty points. It's going to be a
big win, and then everything sort of comes to a
(05:15):
bit of a stop or they subside. Now, yesterday it
was eighteen minutes gone something like that. They fourteen from
fourteen sets. They're completely at one hundred percent. They're playing
great football. Their opponents are on the ropes and they're
leading twelve nil. At that point I sat and not
third right, boys, what are you going to do with this,
and again they just pulled back there.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You want to put foot down and go for it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You want to go for it. I mean, if it's
Melbourne or Penrith at full strength, when they're in that,
you hand them that situation, what are they going to
do well?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think they did that against the Raiders and the
Cowboys at different stages. Yes, the Eels, I'm going to
give them a bit of slack there. The one thing
I always have question mark around Manly this year and
last year was can their four pack dominate a good,
strong opposition forward pack and can they defend for long
(06:09):
enough against good attacking teams their attack stands up. I'm
not dismissing that, but that's going to be the question mark.
They were playing Paramount with all due respect yesterday. They
just did what they had to do to get the victory.
But when Paramatta scored late in the second half, Cherry
Evans stood up, Brooks went to the game. They scored
those two tries to put it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I just think it's bad practice coups. I mean, we're
going to talk about Carnal a little late.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Maybe nine and a half out of ten every week,
but I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, you can't, you can't. You can't beat the best
sides when when you get used to playing forty minute football.
We saw that with last week. We spoke about the
Caronal like that, that lack of killer instinct and you
know against our sidior and you go here we go.
It could be a forty point victory and their second
half was terrible and that carried on into the Dog's game.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I know it's only week five, but with Cherry Evans's situation,
they play Melbourne this week Melbourne lost to the Dragons,
they will be up and about contest. We will work
out what Cherry Evans mainly are this weekend if they
can put a good victory in against Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yesterday he saw something around Lomax.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, so there's a lot of talk around Lomax, winger, center,
whatever went to the Eels to place center. His performances
on the wing at rep level and different stages have
been top shelf. But defensively, if you want to be
a dominant center in this competition, you need to defend
ber than Zach. I don't think he's a center. Look
(07:36):
at this against round one verse Melbourne going to the
outside just tunnel vision for his off center and create
space for Munster. Now they didn't get hurt there, But
you can't have tunnel vision. You to have your head
on a swivel and make multiple decisions at center position.
And again on the weekend against Manly, he did exactly
the same. He only had eyes for Turbo. Here goes
(07:56):
out of the line, completely opens up a passageway for
Ben Trovoyvitch to come through. Now, I know he wants
to play center, but you don't play center making defensive
decisions like that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's interesting like that coups because when he defends at center,
like he's pushing himself out of the line of trying
to make those decisions. When he's playing on the wing,
if he's got a fault, it's just he's disconnected. He's
a little bit too far back.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So to explain, the center is the decision maker defensively
whether they go up or out, and the winger follows.
So the reason why he's much better on the wing
is because he follows what someone else does in terms
of making decisions. Here he's gone for Turbo completely out
of the line and just towed Ben Trovoyvitch through the
whole he's showing me things that he just is a
(08:40):
winger every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
At the moment, Yeah, Dolphins are still the Dolphins. For
a second. They played, of course, the Broncos, and our
knock has been a little bit like their attack has
been very, very sideways. Outside outside of Isaiah Katowa, some
of their formations have been awful. And again the other night,
and I'll show an example here. You know they're on
(09:03):
the attack. This is early in the game, but Herbie
Farnworth is almost almost at the far post. Now I
can understand sometimes you have you set these little trick
plays up and whatnot, but this this can be the exception.
But it's it's it's basically the rule where they're in
there and that is just setting up for sideways, sideways
ball movement. The attorney scat Stags all night defended inside
(09:27):
out in a slide formation. As you know, that's the
easiest way to tackle.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
If you're going to beat anyone one on one, you
have to have the thread of going inside or outside. Here,
if Herbie Farmers only got one way to go one way,
and the flip side of that is that's good defense
from Catoni stags. It doesn't come out of the line,
doesn't create space exact climax on the other side.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But as you know, when you're defending, for people to
actually go up and defend from the inside out, that's
a really comfortable tackle. It's when someone comes spearing at
your inside childer, We're going to make the decision like
am I going to slide or I'm going to go
in and make that tackle. And they got it right
once the Dolphins, Yep, Tom Gilber, look at this. This
is an example. Catoni wants to slide straight through, straight
(10:08):
through on the inside shoulder there because Katoni wants to
defend inside out, and they got it right and never
went back there.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
This was early on in the game of the Dolphins,
and I thought, oh, look out, first couple of sets,
they're up and about for this contest. But as the
game went on, tough conditions in the weent sideways movement,
no sort forward thrust from the play the ball, and
they just got caught out big time. And that's one
of my issues with the Dolphins is I know about you,
(10:36):
but I actually give a cart a pass mark. Definitely
no wins four losses and you're giving a half back
a tick shows to me that I know they're in
the conversation for going for Cherry Evans, but they need
someone explosive in the middle of the field to create
ruck speed. I think they've got a half back that
might deliver them a premiership, but they need some forward thrust,
(10:58):
some big bodies like Finnifiularki is the only real athletic guy.
They've got workers, real good guys, but mix it up
a little bit and go after old Glas at paying Harts.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
For someone like that to create be handy. Having a
really experienced top line half pack around Isaiah tow it's
really mentoring. You know, someone who's thirty six and there's
one competitions a long time ago, someone who's played for
Australia and State of Origin. Do you know anyone let's.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Be down for four that can bend the line and
Correctuick play the balls for him.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
We'll talked about Kato last week, some beautiful little bit
pieces of ballplaying, old school ball playing where he went up,
he looked in and then played to the outside. The
other night he's added to this he does a little
bit of what Jason Smith used to do this a
little bit, show out, show in, back out again. It's
almost like, you know, it's a double cross play.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's like a game of poker. It is tiding his
guards and telling a little lie with a look and
a shape. But then he's doing the flip side of
defenders out everything the Dolphins are doing right now, has
Cartea doing something good?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know at some ballplayer scored a try, he's set
up a couple. There's just not enough around him.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
That's right. And we said before in that instance it
was like a third movement rather than just look in
play out. It was one, two three. Now this one
we're about to see now is more subtle. Now, this
is very Jason Smith. He goes to the line, he
looks short, then he feigns like he's going to go
around the back, and then goes back short again. Just
it's only a subtle thing. But that man who's the
(12:33):
decision maker on the outside, you know, that's that's really
that's a really it's like you see pain just turned
in there. When you used to play against Jason Smith,
he dawed loved the line. Then he just pause and
you'd pause and it was it was unnerving, and Kato
has got a bit of that in here.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I think if you play at one speed, you don't
you're not a threat to the defensive line. And if
you play it once, you've got to show multiple deception
with your eyes, your hips, or the way that you
fake a pass. And Carto then did it perfectly because
he did the double pump and then when he went
accelerated paint hussment, Oh, actually I need to lean into you,
(13:14):
and that crowded the one on one last week.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Talking about the Dolphins and their sideways ball movement, we
said to really strip the defense short. You've got that
initially on the first receiver play. It really helps if
it's a really tight, fast play, you know, and not
not a play where there's lag like one past two
past a shape that you go up there. There's lots
of bodies of motion and the shape sort of unfurls
(13:39):
at the last second, and that's what really unnerves the
defense and makes some clothes in. Adam Rends is very
very good and he showed it the other night. Just
a little one here, one past two pass, three bodies
of emotion and that's how you're stripped short.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So long field position, big elaborate play. The halfback whose
first receiver needs that can a lot of players in
the middle of the field. Way you do that is
either play arrow, straight and direct with a lot of
support around you, or if you're doing the crossfield movement.
But when he goes across here, he hides the ball
with his rotation of his body, and that thinks Mark
Nichols turns in because he thinks the ball's gone. So
(14:17):
the fact that he went slow hid the ball from
vision of the defenders, then quickly turned a corner made
the Dolphins defense collapse, and that created the space outside.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Defense. Defense wins competitions, and defense is a little bit attitude.
And the Dogs are defending like the top four side.
They've got the best defense in the competition at the moment.
Do you think they finished top four if well, it's
a lot way out. But if you say to me, Maddie,
I'll give you a four to one about the Dogs
finishing top four, I take it he saw all of
(14:48):
that money well here, handsome over there, But yeah, I would, Yeah,
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's one of the more impressive performances I've seen under
their desperation, their ability to squeeze and frustrate the Sharks.
A couple of individual efforts. There was one from Harry
Hayes in the first half with the ball got sort
of the backfield, he dived on it. Another one from
(15:16):
Marni and Montoya really late. You can build a season
on these efforts and this cohesion. And I like the
way that Sereraldo went about the game because they played
the Titans, Eels and the Dragons in the first three weeks.
They did the fundamentals of terms of completion, generate good
kicking game, and defend well. You can beat most teams
(15:36):
in the first month doing that, but they knew they
had to go up another level against the Sharks, who
at that stage were playing very good, and they delivered.
They defensively went to another level. I like what Preston
did on the left edge with no kickout. Hayward was
good as well. Yeah, they were very impressive. I think
(15:56):
that was the best performance of the weekend. The Dogs.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You played with Till, I mean they brought him for
his leadership, obviously in his.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Experience, presence and physicality.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
He made his physicality.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
He runs the ball, he pumps those legs like he's
just fighting for every inn.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Some of the shots. He put that shot on.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Trindle like, yes, he's been charged and suspended and I've
been in Trindle's position before. That hurts. That's not cool.
But he puts the threat and the ballplayer to go
close to the line. It almost thinks I'm going to
play a meter and a half earlier and therefore your
defense can layer off and make a better decisions. But
he's intimidating people at the moment.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'll give you three to one on the Sharks making
top forty. You take it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I like him. Do you buying or selling?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I didn't really buy at the start, so I can't sell.
I'm just undecided. Coops their football so far that she
has been really it's been inconsistent. There's been a couple
of things to worrying me. In Vegas. They're in a
position to beat Penrith that night, couldn't do it. The
game against the Cowboys was very strong. They were good
there got to say Cowboys at that point really struggling,
(17:02):
but fair played. They were very very good first half
against South Sydney the best half of football so far
this year. Their second half was average and they're come
up against the dog site who's playing with that dogs
of war mentality with physicality, and they're beating them. They've
just dogs controlled the whole contest through aggression.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I thought the Sharks were up for it for forty minutes,
but then came out and got sort of frustrated and
didn't perform. Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I'm
back in Fitzgibbon to manipulate this team the way he
wants to like. They've played finals under him every year.
They won a big final last year to get that
monkey off their back. Adam phanil Blake brings something. Trindle
(17:45):
and Heinz are still working, but I like where they're at.
I think they can put it together. Do they win
a big prelim final playing their first grand final for
a while. I don't know, but I think they're a
team that we're thinking about after twenty rounds going down
a chance.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Some little things he last week we spoke about halves
combinations working This combination oftentimes not in the same player,
but one after the other. We use an example Lucky
Galvin and then lew I took the next play and
complimented what he did. Good example here a J Brimston
and Jayden Campbell. If you go back and have a
look at the first try from the gold Coase, Campbell
(18:27):
puts a dentinum Aj follows it straight up.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
As a half, normally you pick a front rower that
when they carry the ball and they create rock speed,
you'll definitely follow them next. It's like you're fullback following
someone who can offload. But I think for the Titans,
once Campbell goes, I think Brimston needs to touch the
ball the next vice versa. It's almost like when you're
(18:51):
having sort of fullbacks in the halves position, you need
to What fullbacks do better than most players on the
field is they find space. So they'll drift across field
looking for space and then they'll attack it. What the
Titans shouldn't do is play from confined field positions. They
don't need to play from short field positions and expect
Brimson and camel to do something a lot of second
(19:12):
phase play long field positions. Let them drift across and
once they find something, a show and go might break
him open. If one gets tackled, the other half goes
after that.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Just on tour with some of the young blows coming
through at the moment. Little mention of the dragons still
an egan coming off the bench. Well donder him really
had an impact in the other For South Synty, Leon LeBlanc,
I've seen him in the extended bench and that was
first time I've really seen him have some serious time
and he was really impressive. Make canbra He got a
batch of young blokes coming through camera. There's eight or
(19:44):
nine of them that which might be behind the foggedy
situation was soon at the moment, I reckon it's the
best patch of young blokes Camera brought through in decades.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, they went down the England recruiting system and that
got benefits. Played some prelim finals, got to a Grand Final.
It seems as though they've gone and targeted, whether it's
in their system or externally, the next crop who was stuck.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Behind coops talking about young players to a state of
origin and I'll talk from a new South Wales perspective.
You for Queensland, give me three emerging players you reckon
could break into the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know if these guys will play this year,
but in terms of the future, I like what Peter
kur has done at Brisbane, like played a lot more
football last year and the kevy and you struggling to
find his spot on imagine. But when he puts it together,
his physical he's intimidating. He's got leg speed. I think
he's got a good engine that can play on the edge.
(20:45):
I think Howeth from the storm he sort of sits
in that sort of like a big body who has
learned the art of playing center and may move into
the back right some stage, but I think playing the
grand finally, him having that combination of monster, he might
be something. And I'll tell you what, young rong toy
from the roosters center. He's got some athleticis.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's been good. I think might not.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Be this year, but at some stage I think those
three guys that play.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Next cup mate, tell what blake for me. Jacob Preston. Firstly,
he's been terrific the last two seasons, but he's gone
to another level now. He's really fulfilling his potential. I
think he's I actually think he's a future captain New
South Wales.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What I like about him as a back rower sometimes
as a half you want like a big kick out
who's intimidating scary and you can use up as as
a weapon. But he is so reliable, Preston, when you
go to the line as a half, he is in
exactly the right position at exactly the right time. And
you can pick apart teams if you've got that someone
who's rock solid and will be there for you. So
(21:50):
he was.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
He was tremendous, tremendous. Bronson Cherry on the same side
he has been since he's come in to that side.
Came in last year. He was fantastic. I would have
possibly thrown him in last year. I think he's I
think he's got the physique and the mentality to be
a State of Origin player. Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I'll remind you that later in the year, Latrell Mitchell, anything.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Else, I'll throw a couple of mores. Okay, this one
and the other bloke just on classes like he might
be a few more years away. But Lehigh HOBBLEWARDI Lehigh
has just that bit of magic about him. I heard
Brandy say that yesterday when one of the players held
the ball up and he said, if it was anyone
other than Lehigh HOBBLEWARDI, I'd say he got it down.
(22:37):
He's just made the hands like there was that one
a couple of years ago where it was the cross
kick coming across for the try. He just caught it
on the run and threw it back in. And on
the weekend Coop, early in the game Paramount knock one
down field in the wet and Lehigh just went caught
it like that. He's phenomenal talent. Lastly, Cop, want to
(22:58):
say this the return of well, it's an abbreviated kangaroo too.
It's the Ashes series, the return in England. Coop, it'll
be boy. This bring brings back some memories.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Stuart Line break tips, Melmuran Inger in.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Best Game all the Time Wembley Maybe second No, that
was Second Test ninety ninety at Old Trafford, Manchester. But
eighty two and eighty six coups like, there's a book
written about the eighty two tour. It was called it
was I think it was. It was written by English guys.
It's called the Tour that changed rugby forever, not just
(23:32):
rugby union but rugby league. You know, Si, when you
look back in the history of Australia going over and
touring having an Ashes series, it was always real tough,
like you know, it would be really tough. Hartford Series
seventy eight was a really tough series. Then we arrived
in eighty two and whatever had happened between those four years,
(23:54):
when when the Kangaroos got there, like they were just
streets of head of in England were just not prepared.
I think in that time state of origin a bit
invent vented, but the standard I think as far as training,
as far as skill work, that eighty two side, when
you watch the football they played over there, it was
just remarkable. It was incredible for the game over there.
(24:17):
All these tours, thirty thousand registrations already for priority tickets
in England, thirty thousand sold already First Test at Wembley,
which for the players would just be so special. Second
Test Everton's new ground in Liverpool, Third one headingly Leeds.
So I urge people who love the game, like guys
(24:37):
who are younger demographic is, go back and watch that
eighty two and eighty six tours. Have look at the
test matches, you know, combinations like you know, well, I'll
see you how good eighty two was?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It was that good at sight in eighty two?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Please you didn't make it, Yes, eighty two was so
good that Wally lew was on the bench. You had
guys like Wally Lewis eighty six mal come off the bench,
so they were just powerhouse sides and yeah, very great memories.
I loved it just getting up at one o'clock in
the morning watching those games. Taste taste the right Backs,
(25:13):
the reason I love the game. Put on your man
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