Rising and Transforming with Chris Keller, Power of 5 CEO, Attorney, Podcast Host, Business Coach, & Author

Rising and Transforming with Chris Keller, Power of 5 CEO, Attorney, Podcast Host, Business Coach, & Author

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Maximum health with your host, doctor Ken Gray.
With over twenty years in health care, doctor
Gray is a doctor of oriental medicine and
holistic physician fusing Eastern and Western healing. Doctor
Gray is on staff at Jupiter Medical
Jupiter, Florida where he resides.
Doctor Gray enjoys being a physician as well
as being an educator. His unique approach to

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holistic healing has taken him abroad to lecture
in Baden Baden, Germany and treat sports professionals
in Hawaii and Biarritz, France. He is coauthor
of several books on food therapy and the
founder of the annual Star Summit Talks at
the Norton Museum of Art in Palm Beach,
Florida. Now it's time for Maximum Health with
doctor Ken Gray. Welcome back, everyone. This is
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doctor Ken Gray. Thank you for joining us
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We have within us within our studio today,
Chris Keller from Keller Swan Attorneys.

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Thank you for joining us. Thank you for
having me, doctor Gray. Yes. We also met,
we met in, through your podcast First Light,
and,
which was
I love the approach. I love your approach
to life, and I think,
we we had some things in common that
brought us to have a wonderful conversation on

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First Light.
One of the things, you know, that we
touched on, one of the many, many subjects,
I should say,
was the five principle approach.
You know, like, we have five fingers, five
toes, there's five elements. There's so much of
five in our lives, and it it's nice
to see that you have a five

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principle approach with First Light. Tell me about
that. Yeah. You know, so I look at
everything as the power of five, your mental,
physical, emotional, spiritual, and financial well-being.
And, you know, what's so true is that,
you know, when you're not right in those
categories, it truly has an impact and an
effect on your personal relationships, and on your
business.
And so,

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I make it a point every month to
look at where am I at in those
categories.
You know, always trying to achieve that level
10 version of myself. Yeah.
And how did you kind of touch on
those? Did it
come all as an epiphany, or did you
become a trial and error? Did you hit
a part of your life where you kind

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of just
had to work through each of those elements
one at a time and then say, okay,
this is really where
my nucleus needs to be,
you know?
Yeah. So focus wise. Where it came from
was, I got into business coaching. You know,
my business had reached, certain levels of success.
And probably like most of us, we put
all our time, energy, and effort into business,

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but we weren't we kind of neglect
the other areas of our life. So I
was truly neglecting the mental, emotional,
especially physical and spiritual well-being in my life.
I was just focused strictly on my business,
growing my business in the financial aspect.
And my business was growing and doing great,
but again, every other aspect was struggling. So,
in business coaching, we went through this exercise,

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the Power Five, and when I did that
Power Five exercise, I had to put some
pretty
low numbers, some pretty embarrassing numbers on paper,
and had to kind of take a hard
look at myself and say, you know,
why is there certain strains in my personal
relationships, like my marriage and with my kids?
Why is my business not necessarily achieving the
level of success that it could, that I

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want? And it's because all these other areas
weren't doing well. Okay. And so that was
kind of that epiphany of like, hey, you
know, if I make myself better,
and I show up to, can show up
as the best version of myself, what could
I do? So, you know, after seeing that,
I had to go home to my wife
and say, look, you know,
I've never given you my best. And that's
because I've never been at my best. And
I had to go to my business, and

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I had to tell my business,
you know, my team members, I had to
say, look, guys, I've never given you my
best because I wasn't at my best. And
so that all changed. And when I started
focusing on the mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical
well-being of myself, the growth that we've had,
you know, we went from eighteen, nineteen employees
at my business to now we're at 80
plus. Mhmm.
You know, my marriage is in the best

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place it's ever been, my relationship with my
kids, And it's because I invested in the
mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical well-being as well,
and I just focus solely on the financial.
Mhmm.
Going back when you first started
your business and your family and all of
that, what was your vision of success then
versus now?
Well, probably like a lot of people, or

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or I think maybe a lot of people
that listen, is that I was always chasing
those external markers of success. The bigger house,
the nicer car, the boat,
all those, tangible things that we look at
and think, wow, we've made it.
You know, the money in the bank account,
I was always chasing money, and wanting more
and more money.
And so that's what success seemed looked like
to me, you know? I thought I had

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to have all those things to be successful.
Now for me, it's, was I able to
get up and, run today, you know, and
how far could I go, and how fast
did I do it in? And so,
was I able to show up for my
wife? Was I able to show up for
my kids? Was I able to show up
for my team? What impact was I able
to make? Was I able to,
make an impact in someone's life and better
someone's life today?
And for me, that success is that I'm

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able to inspire that positive transformation for others,
give other people,
kind of a roadmap to,
to rise and transform their lives. And if
I can, you know, just make, one person,
here's my message, or I I come in
contact with one person,
that I can change things for, that's that's
success for me.
You know, it's, interesting how when life can
break you down as it does sometimes,

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reflecting on what you you know, what some
of us do go through and recognize and
then remedy.
In essence, you're almost saying in a nutshell
or not almost, but are saying,
at some point, you're immature and everything is
always there.
And then hopefully, immature
in this lifetime,

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and things are here. Everything is here right
now. What am I doing right now? You
know? How is my life? How is my
family right now? How am I breathing? Am
I grateful? Am I
you know? And that that is the success
is being present in yourself
and doing as much as you can at
that moment and being content in that moment,

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not only with what you have, but what
you're doing.
Right?
So there there's something to be said about
that present nature and being in the moment
versus
always trying to strive and be there, you
know, whatever there is to you in your
mind.
Yeah. You know, one of the, books I
read recently that I just love was The

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Gap and the Gain,
by, Dan Sullivan, doctor Ben Hardy. And,
it talks about, you know, we're always looking
about where we want to go, where we
wish we were, that, you know, all that
and we always you're never happy when you're
always looking to the future. Well, I wish
I was there. I wish I was there.
It's like, look back where you were,
and see where you're at and measure by
that gain versus the gap. And so I

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try to make sure that I'm looking at
the at the gains and and measuring my
life and the gain versus, you know, where
I'm I haven't reached where I'm not where
I wanna be yet. Right.
And how much of this sort of,
revelation
and
restructuring, all that came from? Maybe some

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lost
parental
connection or lack thereof,
versus mentorship?
You know, what would you contribute
a lot of this restructuring and remedy to
to some of these past negative traits that
you've that you've fixed in a way, and
and, you know, decided to go forward in

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a different path? Yeah. You know,
it's it's interesting. I think I've thought about
that a lot. And, you know, if you
do a lot of these different personality types,
you know, I've done print, Colby Myers Briggs,
a bunch of them. But one of the
things that was always important for me was,
praise and recognition.
You know, I wanted to be, I wanted
praise and recognition for everything. I wanted to

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pat on the back, okay, good job. And
I was always
striving, whether it was with my parents, or
whether it was with my job, my bosses,
or professors, or whoever. I was always trying
to,
you know,
get that praise and recognition, and seeking out
praise and recognition.
And that's I think that's dangerous, right? That
we're always trying to find that external

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some something external to tell you what a
great job you you're doing.
And so I had to realize that about
myself. And so in some ways, I've manufactured
that response, you know? So in in my
in my business, for example, you know, when
you reach the level of a CEO,
very few people are quick to praise you
as the as the boss.
Right? You know, the praise goes down, but
the praise doesn't necessarily always go up.

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When things go wrong, people are quick to
blame, but they're not always quick to praise
and recognize. And so knowing that about myself,
you know, I had to kind of put
some things in place to,
I have kind of an outside business consultant,
and, I include him a lot on things
I do, because he'll be my praise and
recognition. He gives me that. So I know
that about myself, and I seek that out.
So I manufactured a response to make sure
I get that without having to go out

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and constantly seek it. But yeah, I think
a lot of, a lot
of the things that I did,
negative in life, were always trying to seek
that praise. Be number one. Be first.
Get a great job. You know,
I think a lot of it came from
that.
That's,
so self awareness.
We're self awareness now, I know, and, you

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know, learning who you are,
is so important. And then, you know, one
thing you talked about a few minutes ago,
I think is very important,
is practicing gratitude. You know, being grateful.
I think I lost track of that a
lot along the way.
It was always kind of, I don't wanna
say the victim mentality, but like, you know,
I just was always grateful for things. And

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so now, you know, I practice gratitude. I
journal every day,
and always end the day with, you know,
what am I grateful for for that day?
Mhmm. And I start today with gratitude. I
always start today with praise. You know, one
thing that we do in our firm, we
have our weekly meetings, and all of our
meetings are off with a segue.
We share a personal win or professional win.
It's amazing how when you start a meeting

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off positive, how the meeting will go positive.
But if you allow a meeting to start
off negative, everything to follow is gonna be
negative.
So it's, it's, it's all the mindset work
and really working on my, my mindset,
is what's changed everything for me, having that
growth mindset, having that abundance mindset.
You know, you talk, you talked about in
such a big thing too, is really worried

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about the things for which I can control.
There's so much going on in this life
that just are outside of our control. Right.
You know, in business, a new competitor comes
in your market, and you're worried about it.
Well, you can't change that. It's not your
control. But you can control how you show
up for your team. So that's why that
power five is so important, is because I
can control whether I show up as the
best version of myself every day or not.
That's within my control, you know, how I

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approach it. So, you know, as we've talked
about for me, the biggest thing that changed
my life was I became a five a.
M.
Early riser. I'm up before the sun. And
that that that time every day gives me
that time to really reflect,
to to really focus on the mental, emotional,
spiritual, physical well-being so that I can show
up as the best version of myself every
day.

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Are there restrictions to this way of living
and thinking? Do you feel do you feel
that this is more
reserved for,
like you said, CEOs or, you know,
people who work for themselves in some way,
shape, or form, or can this be
applied to every day working

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person? I think this is for everyone. So,
you know,
I'm writing a book, I have a book
coming out in September,
and it's my Rise and Transform framework, and
it really is intended for everybody. And the
kind of the unique principle of the book,
or the unique value proposition
is, is that,
a lot of these books that you read,
there was some tragic circumstance.

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You know, they were Somebody was arrested for
a DUI, and they had to go to
rehab, or they got some bad car accident,
or they got served with divorce papers, or,
you know, their life fell apart.
Fortunately I didn't get to that point.
I just made a decision that it was
time to change. And so
that's kind of the point of the book
is, is that don't wait for those tragedies.
Sometimes we're out there looking for that tragic

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thing to happen to us that says, Okay,
now I'm gonna change my life.
You know, for me, I just woke up
one morning and said, Today's gonna be different,
and I'm gonna live my life differently. And
then I went about doing things differently to
do that. You know, I gave As we
talked about, you know, I was an everyday
drinker.
You know, I don't know
I would probably call myself an alcoholic because
I drink every day, but I didn't go

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through the steps. I didn't need, any support.
I just made up my mind that I
was done drinking, and,
I haven't had a drink in two and
a half years, and that was a huge
part of the change for me. But no,
this is something I think, you know, everybody
should do,
and everybody should focus on. It's not reserved
to the C suite level people or business
owners. You know, it's it's truly everybody, and

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it's something that I preach at my firm.
One of our core values is growth, and
what I talk to all of our teamers
about is personal and professional growth.
We read books together to make sure that
we're constantly focused on people growing, because I
want them to be healthy at home. If
they're healthy at home, they're healthy at the
office, and if they're healthy at the office,
they're providing a high level of customer service
to our clients and showing up for them.

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You know, one of our vision statement, and
part of our vision statement is to inspire
positive transformation,
you know, and that's for our clients, the
people who we serve,
our team members, and our community. Mhmm. And
so that's what we're all about. And a
lot of that is by adopting a strong
routine, by focusing on those Power Five.
That's really how I think long lasting change

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comes. Yeah. Right? You know, for me, there
was plenty of times in life where, you
know, I said, Hey, I'm gonna make a
change. You know, I went out, drank too
much, came home. You know, the next morning,
I wake up, lick at my wounds. That's
the last time I'm doing that, right?
I'm not doing that again until the till
that night, and I did it all over
again.
So, you know, long lasting change came from
really focusing on those power five and realizing

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that, you know, I need to focus on
making each one of these areas better in
order for me to be the best version
of myself. Mhmm.
Does this translate
to
the female professional? Does it translate to the
stay at home mom?
Or are there certain principles that we look
at differently when it comes to that sort
of
situation?
Absolutely. So the female professional to the stay

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at home mom, I think it goes to
all of them because, I mean, look, the
demands I see, you know, as you know,
we got three kids, nine, six, and five.
And the demands that our kids put on
my wife more so than than me,
because she's home with them, is,
isn't dense.
Right? You know, it's a lot. And so

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for her to be able to show up
as her best version, to give her best
of those kids every day, requires her to
carve out that time in the morning. So,
you know, I try to give her that
time, that space to show up for herself.
You know, her and I go to the
gym and work out together, and I'll have
physical activity.
We run, like she's been running with me
this week.
And so having
that place, that peace to be able to

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really focus mentally, emotionally, spiritually,
and work on the physical side of it
allows her to show up as her best
for the kids. Mhmm. And more importantly too,
you know, it's setting that example for the
kids. This is what good health looks like.
Right. You know, I think so many of
us go to that. So one of the
power fives that you connect on is the
fitness.
Yeah. Yeah. Mostly for us is and spiritual.
We, you know, we're we're really involved in

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church. Like, tonight is our first Wednesday service,
and we'll go to church together. We go
every Sunday.
So spiritually, you know, her and I, we're
doing a Bible study right now
through church, studying the book of Joshua. Mhmm.
And so spiritually, you know, her and I
are connected.
We sit down and talk about our finances,
you know? And honestly a lot of, it's
crazy. My wife actually said this to me.

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She's like, you've done so much to change
things at work. Why aren't you bringing some
of those things home? So, you know, we
do our, weekly,
planning means for our house. We do our
quarterly planning means for our home. We do
our annual planning meeting for our home, and
we talk about what our goals are, what
are our short term goals that we wanna
achieve,
in our relationship,
for our kids and for our family. And

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then we talk about the big, the big
kind of goal that we wanna do.
And what we've been doing lately that we've
never done, is taking time off. So as
you know, we took a two week trip
with our kids.
In all my years of working, I've never
taken two weeks off. Wow. And so to
be able to carve out two weeks with
your kids and go on a trip, what
does that do for them? What does that
do for us? Yeah.

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It's amazing. Congratulations.
That's a big milestone.
Seems, probably, to some, insignificant, but I I
know what that means. You know, two weeks
with just your family is very special. Out
of the office.
Yeah. Out of the office. Yeah. And we
were in some remote places with no cell
service. Yeah.
But, you know, if you build if you
build the right team and you surround yourself

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with certain with systems and processes Yeah.
You know, the the goal is to delegate
yourself out of a job where they don't
need you. You know, that's
success. Without,
names
in particular,
can you share some success stories since you've
been doing what you've been doing, whether it's,
you know, with the with the coaching and
everything and the podcast, and, you know, how

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how this has affected certain people in certain
fields or Yeah. You know,
there's absolutely a ripple effect. Mhmm. You know,
and,
that's what's cool is that, you know,
lots of people, so I had a good
friend call me the other day, I'll give
you an example, a good friend called me
the other day and said, Hey, can I
get the Chris color from like five years
ago?
I need to ask you about the Bourbon
Trail. You know, I grew up in Kentucky,

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and a huge Bourbon fan,
and
I've done the Bourbon Trail. So,
he's like, I need to cut Chris Culler
five years ago.
And so people knew me then, right? And
then people see me now, and they see
the things that I'm doing. I've done
multiple half marathons, multiple full marathons. I've done
a half Ironman. I'm on my way to
doing my first full Ironman.

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And then sharing my journey,
you know, people know
I was a heavy drinker, and they know
that I don't drink now.
And so they see that. And then, you
know,
we had a girl in our office who
said to go to do a five ks.
I said, all right, we're gonna do this.
We're gonna have a Strava app, we're gonna
track your progress, I'm gonna be your accountability
partner, I'm gonna make sure that you're doing
your runs. She did her first five

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k. And so, you know, just a small
example.
We've had people who have said weight loss
goals, and, you know, and other goals that
they've been able to hit. But it's amazing
that ripple effect that you have. And there's
people I know that were having an impact
on
that,
that, you know,
we don't necessarily know about. You know, they're
seeing our story, they see us share our
story, they see our firm, they see their

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growth, and then they go back and they
wanna replicate our copy. Mhmm. And that's what's
cool. You know, I want people to look
at us and say, wow, look what they're
doing. I wanna try that. Mhmm. And then,
you know, I may not know about all
those people, but I know what's happening. You
know? Because you put good out.
It's amazing what can happen. So remind me
of the power of five, what the five,

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aspects are, but also what are the what
were the hardest ones for you?
So mental, emotional
Yeah. Physical, spiritual, financial. Now, financially, I was
you know, when I did that power of
five and I put it on the front
page of my journal, that's where I was
doing the best. Yeah.
But I was, really low,
mentally, emotionally, and and spiritually and physically. Mhmm.
I was really low on the rest of

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them, frankly. I was 50 plus pounds every
weight. I've lost over 50 pounds.
You know, I had a friend say, Oh,
where'd you take Ozempic? I'm like, No, man.
I did the hard work. I gave him
a bowel call, and I started running. I
started working out. Right. I did
the old fashioned way. Yeah.
And then,
so I started with the, I started kinda
with the physical journey. And it's amazing when
you kinda, when you start your day with

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working out, you start your day outside,
walking, running,
whatever it may be,
the rest of it starts coming together too.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More nature, more more just
getting into your body, I like to say.
Yeah. You get, you know, you get the
space for the mental part of it. You
know, I would go on a run and
lose myself in the run and forget, you
know, which way I went. Mhmm. And so
having that time just to like clear your

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mind and work through some issues or challenges,
that helps. And then, you know, ultimately, emotionally,
things come along.
Spiritual was one of the last things I
worked on, but then we got back into
church. I grew up going to church,
and, it was a big part of my
life as a kid, but then fell away
from it. You know, life got in the
way, got busy, had kids. I had all
kinds of excuses why I couldn't go to
work, or couldn't go to church. But now

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I'm back in church. I'm a part of
a men's, group,
of C suite leaders. And,
you know, it's powerful. So all those parts
were frankly, financially, you know. Yeah. I had
the boat, had the nice house in the
gay community, had plenty of money in the
bank account, 401, and I was, you know,
was crushing that. But I was overweight,
strained marriage, strained relation with my children, strained

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relation with a lot of people at my
office. Mhmm.
And so, I wasn't doing good in all
those. They all took a lot of a
lot of work in their separate ways. Yeah.
And so, you know, a lot of reading,
a lot of journaling,
meditating. Right.
That's all stuff where I kinda found that
that peace. Right.
Back to, you know, we touched on the

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fact that, you know, could this be applied
to females, some other you know, those are
but here we are, two men talking about
this, right? So gotta get back to the
to the male aspect of it.
Any hobbies work into that? Do you have
any hobbies? Have you have you started to
get back into hobby? Like, what what are
you Yeah. So really,
for me now because you have to admit,

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there's an aspect of this which, dude, I'm
sure there are men listen to, like, okay.
That's cool. But Yeah.
Yeah. It's a really Sounds a little
Look. I was never a runner, and I
never would have called myself a runner if
I was a runner. And so, my hobbies
really
revolved around, for many years,
drinking. Right? So let's go play golf and

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and and drink and smoke cigars. Here's a
little factoid. I just,
someone told me this the other day. Not
that we don't know it, but it it
it's it's relevant.
A hobby is something you do with your
hands.
Right? Because if you ask like, so many
people, you ask them, what's your hobby? Oh,
I like to travel. What's your hobby? I

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like to read. You know, these are not
things you do with your hands. Hobby, you
know, something you do with your hands. So
Building,
or something. Yeah. Something. Anything.
Knitting, crochet. I don't know. Shooting,
fishing, like, something you do with your hands.
So I like that. I am a fish
a fisherman. I love to fish and, I
just did some offshore fishing this weekend. But
really, so I do do that, I guess.
But when I look at it, really what

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drives me, and kind of my passion, and
where I like to spend my time is,
you know, endurance sports. So I'm training for
a, I'm training for my full Ironman right
now. And so, you know, I'm biking, I'm
running, and I'm swimming. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm
doing a lot of that.
Very, very fitness oriented. Very fitness oriented. So
many things like it. And if I wasn't
training, right, I would still wanna be running,

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biking, and and swimming. Maybe not swimming as
much. I'm not a very strong swimmer yet.
I'm still, you know, working with a coach
to get better. But for me, it's about
being outside. Yeah.
You know, it's it's about doing a physical
activity every day. Wow. Whether that be going
for a long run or a long ride.
Okay. And then also, you know, it's it's
for me, it's, I've shown myself, you know,

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in in doing endurance sports with other endurance
athletes. Yeah. And so, you know, a good
friend of mine is training for Ironman in
Florida. I'm training for Ironman in Arizona. Him
and I ride every weekend together. So we
meet up at five in the morning. We
do a nice two hour ride together.
And just being around that, you know, it
So you've intertwined sort of your hobbies with
with your fitness, but you still need you

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still need some hobbies.
I need to work on the hobbies now.
You need to work on and I'm only
saying that because, you know, I have patients.
They,
you know, they become my physicians after a
while. Right? Like, I start to and then
they start checking it. Doctor Ken, are you
painting? You know? When's the last time you
picked up a brush? Like, they could tell
when I get two tens or two whatever
in one way. When was the last time

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you went fishing? You need to take time
for yourself, doctor Ken. You know?
So I'm putting it out there because,
you know, we we do this work, and
and it sounds like you're the you you
become this amazing father, amazing husband, amazing CEO,
and all these sort of things. So then
the physician in me looks as, oh, hey.
What's he doing for him? You know what
I mean? Like,

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so with the people listening to this, that's
I think there there's this
the shift in consciousness where the male is
supposed to be
so
into their feelings and so into their, like,
I'm producing better. I'm doing this. I'm doing
that. And they're they're wearing all these hats.
And and very much is left for our

(24:28):
vices, our tendencies, I mean, remain at the
end of the day. Right? So I'm just
putting that out there that there's that there's
gotta be maybe a sixth.
Power of sixth? I like it. I guess
At least when it comes to men, you
know, we need our hobbies and things and
vices. And it's balance. You know, everything in
moderation, even moderation. So,
I I love what you are doing for

(24:50):
yourself, what you've done for your family, what
you're doing for others, and the influence you've
even had on me. And, you know, I
loved having our podcast. I loved this time.
And I just I think that more of
this is needed and and how
what we do in our work, you know,
if we don't do it at home,
it's lost.
Right? You can have success in the business,

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but if you don't do it at home,
you've lost it. And it ends with you
at the end of the day. Whereas if
you do it at home, it goes on
and on and it ripples. And and home,
for some of us, is not just our
kids and our wife and and our, our
family, our mother, sister, whatever it is. It's
also our our immediate everyone
that we touch in our personal lives,
that see the real us without the

(25:32):
the business hat.
Right?
The business hat, the business face is is
different than that other us, that other person.
So, yeah, it's good to have that support
that you give to others, and and I
hope you feel that support. Yeah, you know
what? One of the most powerful things that
my wife said to me along the journey
was, you know, I'm glad that our kids

(25:53):
were young enough that they will remember who
you were. They're gonna know who you are
now and who you are going forward. And
so, you know, that was a very good
reminder
of like, hey, this
is the path we need to go on
because my kids are gonna see this great
example versus the example that I was studying.
So we always gotta remember that they're always
watching. I I think you're great, but I
think there's also the one you are made

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you who you are now too.
It's been awesome as experiences. I know. Yeah.
Yeah.
We need we need to be reminded of
that. And,
no. I I I think you're amazing, man,
and and you you're an inspiration. Thank you.
Thank you for all you're doing for yourself,
your community,
and, which I'm a part of. And, this
has been another great Maximum Health. Very inspiring.

(26:35):
Yeah. So Keller Swan,
you know, First Light, Tell Us How to
Find First Light podcast. Tell us how to
find Keller Swan. Yeah. Awesome.
Our law firm has a website, colorswan.com.
And then I have my own personal brand
new website called chriscolor.com
that I, that mostly shared the stories of
inspiration, some business related.
The book is coming out. The First Light

(26:55):
podcast has its own social media, First Light,
as well as a YouTube channel.
And so I've had amazing guests like Doctor.
Gray on,
and
we try to focus on the Power Five.
And so, obviously came on and talked a
lot about how important health is to it
all, because without our health, what are we
doing? Exactly. Holistic living, which, by the way,

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