November 1, 2023 • 27 mins
Full Electric Vehicles (EVs) and Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) each have their own sets of advantages and disadvantages.
Full Electric Vehicle (EV)
Pros:
1. "Zero Emissions" - Full EVs produce no tailpipe emissions, making them environmentally friendly.
2 Lower Operating Costs - Electricity is generally cheaper than gasoline, and EVs typically have fewer moving parts than traditional vehicles, resulting in potentially lower maintenance costs.
3. Quiet Operation - EVs are generally quieter than vehicles with internal combustion engines.
4. Instant Torque - Electric motors provide instant torque, which can lead to quick acceleration.
5. Incentives - Many governments offer tax breaks, rebates, and other incentives for purchasing EVs.
6. Reduced Dependence on Oil - Using EVs can reduce a country's dependence on imported oil.
Cons:
1. Limited Range -Some EVs have a limited driving range compared to gasoline-powered vehicles, although this is improving with advancements in battery technology.
2. Longer Refueling Time - Charging an EV can take longer than filling up a gas tank.
3. Charging Infrastructure - While growing, the EV charging infrastructure is not as widespread as gasoline stations in many areas.
4. Higher Upfront Cost - Although prices are coming down, EVs can have a higher initial purchase price than traditional vehicles.
5. Battery Degradation - Over time, the capacity of the battery can decrease, reducing the vehicle's range.
Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV)
Pros:
1. Flexibility - PHEVs can run on electricity for short trips and switch to gasoline for longer ones, providing the best of both worlds.
2. Reduced Emissions - While not zero-emission when using gasoline, PHEVs generally emit less than traditional vehicles.
3. Incentives - Like EVs, many governments offer incentives for purchasing PHEVs.
4. Less Range Anxiety - The gasoline engine can act as a backup when the battery is depleted.
5. Charging Infrastructure - While beneficial for PHEVs, it's not as crucial since they can also run on gasoline.
Cons:
1. Still Uses Gasoline - PHEVs still rely on gasoline for longer trips, so they aren't entirely free from fossil fuels.
2. Complexity - Having both an electric motor and a gasoline engine can lead to more complex maintenance and potential repairs.
3. Higher Upfront Cost - PHEVs can be more expensive than traditional vehicles and sometimes even more than full EVs due to the dual systems.
4. Limited Electric Range - The electric-only range of PHEVs is typically shorter than that of full EVs.
5. Weight - The combination of a gasoline engine, electric motor, and battery can make PHEVs heavier than traditional vehicles or full EVs.
In summary, the choice between a full EV and a PHEV depends on individual needs, driving habits, and priorities. Both options contribute to reducing greenhouse gas emissions compared to traditional gasoline-powered vehicles, but they come with different considerations.
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Mike Dell's world number 3 8 8 4.
November 1st, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo,
23. That sounded official,didn't it?.
Anyway, yes, I am doing nappod Pomo again this year.
Uh, just, uh, got done withsome, uh, surgery. So I'm, uh,
(00:23):
running left-handed here.had, uh, shoulder surgery, uh,
last Thursday, and I'mrecovering quite well.
A little sore, but, uh, otherwise fine.
I'm gonna be in this sling forthe next six weeks. So if, uh,
if I sound a little left-handed,that's why. Anyway, so I,
(00:47):
I've had this idea, not an idea.
I've had this subject matteron my mind for quite a while.
And of course, as you know, I'mnot the king of consistency.
I am quite inconsistent. But, uh,
we're gonna change that atleast for the next 30 days.
And so today I'm gonna talkabout electric cars. The,
(01:11):
uh, mainly the difference, you know,
the pros and cons between full electric,
an EV or a plugin hybrid electric,
or pH ev or just a plain old hybrid. Uh,
so I, I got some stuff listed out. Uh,the list that I have, I didn't create,
uh, of pros and cons,
(01:32):
so I probably going to disagreewith some of the,
some of what they came up with here,but, uh, we'll see, we'll see. So, uh,
a little intro says,full electric cars, EVs,
and plugin hybrid electric cars eachhave their own set of advantages and
disadvantages. Hmm, that's whatI just said, wasn't it? Anyway,
(01:56):
some of the pros of a fullelectric vehicle is number
1 0 0 emissions, and that's bss.
But there, I'll read what they said,and then I'm gonna read what I think,
not read what I think I'm gonnasay, what I think. Anyway,
full electric cars produceno tailpipe emissions,
(02:16):
making them environmentallyfriendly. Well, yeah,
they have no tailpipe emissions, butwhere does that electricity come from?
You know, so something gotburnt or something got reacted,
or something got heated tocreate that electricity,
regardless of whether it comes outtayour tailpipe or not. You know, the,
(02:40):
the, the thing about electric, Ithink, you know, and, and not being a,
an engineer type, uh,
what I think about electric is, youknow, it's gotta come from somewhere. So,
you know, that's, you know,yeah, you're not gonna,
not gonna have any tailpipe emissions.So I guess I can agree with that. Uh,
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lower operating costs, electricityis generally cheaper than gasoline,
and EVs typically have fewer movingparts than traditional vehicles
resulting in a, potentially in, oh,
in potentially lower maintenancecosts. Well, yes and no.
Yes, it, it can be cheaper to maintainan electric vehicle because, you know,
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there's no oil changes,
and generally they're better onbrakes because they do regenerative
braking and all that good stuff,
but electricity isn'talways cheaper. In fact,
in a lot of places it's moreexpensive than gasoline. What was it?
The, uh, CEO of Ford, Jim Farley,not the Jim Farley from, uh,
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from, uh, WhatsApp with that,that I used to do. In fact,
I'm gonna get him on here thismonth, hopefully, and, uh,
and maybe do one of those. That'dbe fun. But anyway, uh, Jim Farley,
who is the, uh, CEO of Ford Motor Company,
took off in a, uh,
Ford Lightning and experiencedsome of the pitfalls
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of driving an electric vehicle.Not necessarily the cost,
but he did, uh, you know, didn't,
didn't enjoy it as much as he thoughthe would, which I thought was,
you know, kind of funny. I, like I said,I have nothing against completely ev,
you know, complete EV vehicles,
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but they're not foreverybody. And, you know,
California's trying to force trying,
they've already passeda thing whereby 2030,
was it that, uh,
there's gonna be no more internalcombustion engine vehicles sold
in the state of California. Okay?
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That might work out okay, but theyhave enough trouble keeping their
power grid on as it is, you know,in the summertime, it, you know,
everybody's running ACand whatnot and, you know,
I just don't see how that's goingto work for them or anyone really,
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you know? And even up here,Northern Michigan, you know,
the EVs don't do as well inthe cold as they do in, uh,
70 degree weather or a hundreddegree weather. So we'll see,
we'll see. Quiet operation,yes, I agree with that 100%.
EVs are generally quieter than vehicleswith internal combustion engines.
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I just listened to, uh,
an episode of 20,000 Hertzwhere they talked about
the,
the noise that is now requiredof EVs in certain states.
They have to make a noise whenthey're at parking lot speeds.
And some of those noises are kindof, kind of funny, you know, if I,
if I got to pick thenoise, I, I want the, uh,
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George Jetson flying car noise,,
I think that'd be fun anyway.But yes, the EVs are quiet,
instant torque, and that's, you know,
number four on the pros forthe full ev uh, you know,
electric motors provide instant torque,which can lead to quick acceleration.
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Yeah, they're fast. Uh, Iguess that Tesla plaid is, uh,
is something else. Ludicrous mode.
And so that, that I guesswould be an advantage,
except for when are yougonna use it? You know, it's,
it's like somebody buying a, aLamborghini Huan or some, you know,
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whatever the new Lamborghiniis, uh, to go, you know, well,
it goes 200 miles an hour. I said, well,yeah, but where are you gonna use that?
Same thing with this instantacceleration. It's, it's cool,
it's a party trick. But Idon't know if practically,
you know, I guess if you livein a, an area where there's a,
a lot of traffic and stuff, thatcould be pretty handy. I don't know.
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Incentives, uh, that's anotherthing. Many governments,
uh, around the world, around thecountry offer tax breaks, rebates,
and other incentives for purchasingan electric vehicle. Yeah,
well, for now, but when allvehicles are electric, you know,
what, what arethey gonna do that? Okay?
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Reduce dependence on oil using EVscan reduce a country's dependence on
imported oil. Okay? Again,
the electricity's gotta come fromsomewhere, burning natural gas, coal,
nuke, if it's nuke, and then, okay,I am all for it. But, uh, you know,
a lot of people that are forelectric cars are against nuke
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and nuclear energy is probably the,
the one way that this wouldmake sense to having, you know,
everybody be on an electriccar. And some of the cons,
uh, limited range, some EVshave a limited driving range,
all have a limited drivingrange. Uh, not just some, uh,
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but compared to gasoline vehicles,of course there's limited range. Now,
you know,
you get a fancy Tesla and you're inan area where there's a lot of Tesla
chargers or along, along your route,
there's a lot of Teslachargers and they're not busy,
and they're all workingand, and, and, you know,
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you can drive cross countryin a Tesla, you know,
and you spend an hour here, spend anhour there charging. And, you know,
it's not significantly differentthan driving a gasoline
powered vehicle, but tried doingthat across Interstate 80. Uh,
I remember between, uh,Laramie, Wyoming, and, uh,
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Ogden, Utah that chunked through there.
You can barely get thereon one tank of gasoline. I,
I can't imagine an ev doingthat, but could happen.
And that's been a long timesince I've been out there.
So maybe there are more charging,uh, of course, another one,
another one of the cons is alonger refueling time. Of course,
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charging an EV can take longer thanfilling up a guest. It can. Yeah, it does.
But again, you know,
think you're on our tripand you stop for lunch
or dinner or whatever, just to,
to walk around to hit therestroom, whatnot. Uh, you know,
it may not be significantly longerdepending on how you do it, you know,
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but when I'm, you know, when I'm on aroad trip and I, I want to get somewhere,
you know,
I stop for fuel and whileI'm getting fuel or I get
something to eat and I get to, youknow, hit the bathroom and all that,
and I'm back in the vehicle, 15minutes, something like that,
you know, a lot of these, uh, electriccars, you gotta spend, you know,
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45 minutes to an hour just toget to the next charging station,
which you're going to do another 45minutes to an hour of charging time
and fully charge the car couldtake 3, 4, 5 hours. So, hmm.
You know, uh,
another disadvantage is charginginfrastructure while growing ev
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charging infrastructureis not as widespread as
gasoline. Wow. I can't readwith a crap today. That's okay.
But you get the point. The point is,they don't have it all built out yet.
And, you know, how long is it gonnatake to completely build out the,
the charging stations andwhatnot? So, you know,
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it could be that you get in anarea where there's four chargers,
here in TraverseCity, I can think of three
electric charging stations,uh, one set of Meyer store,
which is, uh, kinda like a, aWalmart, but a Midwest thing. Uh,
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there's some there, there's someat a Burger King here, uh, in town.
And I know there's one other, butI have, I'm not exactly sure where.
But the funny thing is, Igo to the one, uh, you know,
go see, go drive by the one my Meyersthere, and they have like four chargers,
maybe or six. And every once ina while I'll see a car there,
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but I don't see a lot. And on thisside of town at the Burger King,
uh, that's a blink charger. And uh,
I think they have fourcharging stations there.
And I don't see any,
I've never seen a carparked at the EV charger.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen,but you know, I've never seen it.
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Now when I've gone to Columbus for work,
the hotel I stay at has Tesla chargers,
and usually there's at least oneTesla Park there at the hotel. Okay,
yeah. Maybe if I lived in Columbus,that would be a, a viable option.
But living around here, you know,
now I'd probably have a chargerset up at home, which, you know,
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would be much more convenient andprobably would use it. But, uh, again,
you know, there's nothing particularlywrong about these things. It's just,
you know,
there's a particular missionthat they work for and some that
not really, uh, let's see,
higher upfront costs. Yeah, that's true.
(12:39):
Although prices are coming down,
EVs can have a higher initial purchaseprice than a traditional vehicle.
They can, uh, depends, you know, butyou know, if you're gonna buy a Tesla,
of course you're gonna, you're gonnapay a lot of extra money for a Tesla.
Tesla's obviously the bestof the best, or maybe Rivian,
which is even moreexpensive. And you know,
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I do see a bunch of Rivian around hereand Teslas, so I don't, I don't know,
they must charge at home or something.
Or maybe I just don't know where thepublic chargers are since I'm not in that
market. But, uh, yes, theycan be more expensive. Also,
battery degradation. Um, EVs,
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you know, the batteries only last somany cycles. You know, it's like your,
you know, your phone, youriPhone or your Android, you know,
after a couple of years, it doesn'thold as much charge as it used to. And,
you know, to change a battery is likechanging an engine in a car, you know,
in a gas powered car, you are gonna spendfour or six, eight, $10,000 for that.
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And, you know, is it worthit? So kind of throws it away.
And that kinda screws up thewhole environmental thing too. I,
I read a study somewhere and I, I wishI had it. If I did, if I could find it,
I would put it in the linkshere. But they say that, uh,
an electric car say,say a Tesla model three
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and you bought a brandnew Mo Tesla model three,
and you bought a brand newChevy Suburban with a 6.2 liter
V eight engine in it. Okay? And youbought both of them at the same,
same time. Both of them costroughly the same amount of money,
maybe a little more for theSuburban, but over its lifetime.
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Say you drive it a quarter million miles.
Now I've never heard of a Teslagoing a quarter million miles,
but let's just for instance say it did.
And so you drive that Tesla a quartermillion miles and you drive that suburban
a quarter million miles.
That Suburban is gonna put outless pollution in the atmosphere
than that Tesla. You know,'cause you gotta mine the stuff,
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probably gonna change the, uh,change the battery at least once, uh,
on the Tesla you may end upchanging an engine on the, uh,
on the suburban. But the engine, you know,
doesn't take up specificsignificant amounts of, uh,
any raw materials other than someiron and and whatnot,
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plastics. Uh, but the, the paraphrasing,
the study that the, uh,
suburban was definitely acleaner choice than the Tesla
for a a quarter millionmile lifespan. So, you know,
so a full electric vehicle in myparticular case is probably not going
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to be what I'm gonna get. Uh,
I would more go for the pluginhybrid or just the plain old hybrid,
probably a plugin. 'cause again,
I could plug it in at homefor a lot of my missions.
I could definitely doall electric, you know,
like going to doctor's appointments andgoing shopping and going out to dinner
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and, you know, all this stuff.
But then I would also have that choiceif I wanted to go on a longer ride.
I could, you know, most plug-inhybrids, you know, go quite a ways.
I rented one, one time, it was a Ford. Uh,
I, yeah, they're midsize car, whateverthat was. Fusion. So Ford Fusion,
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plug it hybrid.
I rented one and the thing got 47 miles to
the gallon of gas
and I drove it to Columbusand back for work.
It was great. Uh, you know, and halfthe time the engine's not running.
You can't really tell 'causethey're super quiet, uh,
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whether the engine's running or not.But it got 47 miles to the gallon.
It was quiet. And, you know, Icould totally see that, you know,
and driving around in downtownColumbus, the thing was charged up.
'cause I'd been driving it on the highway.I didn't plug it in the whole time.
I, I had it, but you don'thave to with those. But anyway,
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here's some of the stuff thatthe, this list came up with. Uh,
flexibility plugin.
Hybrid electric vehicles can runon electricity for a short trip and
switch to gasoline for longer ones.Providing the best of both worlds.
Agree 100%. Much, uh, much more flexible,
reduced emissions whilenot zero emission when
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using gasoline plugin hybridsgenerally emit less than traditional
vehicles.
And that's true 'cause the electricmotor helps on acceleration and all that.
So tailpipe emissions are reduced.Uh, again, you still got that, uh,
battery problem, but notas much as with a full, uh,
full electric 'cause the batteriesaren't as big on the plugins.
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Uh, incentives, just like the EVs,
many governments can offer incentivesfor purchasing a plugin hybrid.
So yeah, that's, that's a thing.It may not always be a thing,
but it's a thing. Uh, let'ssee. Less ranging anxiety.
Gasoline engine can act as a backup whenthe batteries depleted. Yeah, I mean,
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it's just a normal car,you know, in practicality,
it, it's just a normal car. So, you know,
and that goes for regular hybridsor plugin hybrids. It's, uh,
it's a great, uh, great thing.And infrastructure for charging.
Uh, you don't have to worry so much aboutthat. Now, if you feel like doing it,
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you could stop and plug in youruh, uh, you know, plug in hybrid,
but you don't have to. Andthat's the, the beauty of it.
And since they have a smaller battery,
you could plug it intojust plain old 110, uh,
here in the states or two 20everywhere else. Uh, you know,
class one charger would probablyhelp, you know, if I had one,
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I would probably plug the thing in.And when I got in the garage, you know,
every night, that'd be fine, you know,
and it would probably be just fine.
But you don't ever really have to plugthem in either. So that's kind of a good,
good thing. So here's the cons theycome up with on this list. Like I said,
this is a list that Ididn't create,
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but thought it was agood subject matter. Uh,
one of the cons of a plugin hybridis it still uses gasoline. Yeah,
duh. That's it. Advantage if youask me. But that's a con here.
Listed complexity,
having both an electric motor and agasoline engine can lead to more complex
maintenance and potentialrepairs. True. But again,
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the electric side of that ismuch less maintenance than the
gasoline side. And sinceit is a plugin hybrid,
and you will be running in full EV modeonce in a while or some of the time,
or even when you're not, it's lessstress and strain on the engine.
'cause generally they have smallerengines. Uh, what is that? BMW.
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There was ABMW model that I thoughtwas pretty good. Plugin hybrid that,
uh, had a little three cylinder engine and
you know, plus the battery and thething would go a hundred miles or so on,
on pure electric.
And basically the gasolineengine just charged the
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battery. So it was actuallyrunning electric mode all the time.
Just sometimes the engine'srunning, sometimes it's not.
And I don't see why that'smuch more complicated than, uh,
than a regular gas car. Soat a higher cost, of course,
higher up front cost. Uh, 'causeyou're buying the battery in the,
in the second drive train, basically.So yeah, that makes sense. Uh,
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limited electric range. Well, yeah,
'cause it's gonna havesmaller batteries. Of course,
you could get a plug-in hybrid thathas the full battery. I think there,
there's a couple of 'em out therewhere you can go 300 miles on,
on electric and, and it stillhas an engine. So that's kind of cool. And weight,
yes, they are heavy,
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but when you live up here in the northwhere the snow flies heavy might not
be a bad thing. At leastnot for getting going,
sometimes for stopping. But, uh,
in summary,
the choice between a full EV and a plug-inhybrid depends on individual needs.
Driving habits and priorities.
Both options contribute toreducing greenhouse emissions.
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I still don't believe that thatwas me interjecting while reading,
uh, compared to the traditionalgasoline powered vehicles.
So yeah, my, the bottom line is, I,
I don't think I will go fora full electric vehicle now.
I could see maybe ifit was a second car or
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a third car, you know, uh,
I could see having something that'sfull electric. You know, if, say I, I,
I commuted, I don't commute. Well, mycommute's 45 feet out the back door,
uh, to my office here.
But say I commuted like I used towhen I worked at the print shop,
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uh, I think I commuted two anda half miles, maybe three miles.
I could see having a full electriccar for that, for that mission,
but it couldn't be my primaryvehicle because I still,
you know,
would like the option to be able to goon long trips without having to worry
about it or without having torent a car or whatever. Uh,
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but you know, I could see thatin, in that case, I could,
I could see a, a full electric,you know, if, if I was,
you know, say I was retired and all Idid was go to doctor's appointments and,
and grocery shoppingand, and whatever, yeah.
Doctor's appointments around my mind sinceI've been doing a lot of that lately.
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But anyway, youget my drift. You know,
if you're not taking longtrips, you're, you know,
just gonna be putzing around town.Yeah, might be fun. Um, but then again,
you could, uh, probably go, uh, get a, uh,
oh, what do you callit? Uh, get, get a, uh,
(23:19):
a golf cart for, youknow, a lot of places. But anyway,
uh, so that, that's mygist. Uh, I don't know,
something just popped up on myscreen here, uh, while recording,
so I don't know what that means. But,uh, it still seems to be recording,
so we'll just go with it. But, uh, yeah,
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I could see myself driving aplugin hybrid, uh, for sure,
because there's no realcompromise there. Now, you know,
you look at that, uh, Ford Lightningtruck, it's a full size pickup truck.
If I was gonna buy something like thator say I bought something like that,
and I, you know, I'm towingthings, well, towing things,
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you're not gonna get the 300miles or whatever out of it.
You're gonna get quarterof that. Uh, you know,
if you're just putzing around town,you don't need anything that big. It,
it just doesn't seemlike a practical thing.
But if I had a hybrid full-sizedtruck where, you know,
the electric assist, uh,sometimes or just to help the,
(24:25):
the fuel mileage, thatthat'd be totally fine. Uh,
but like I said, don't buyinto the thing that, that,
that it's better for the environmentbecause they're really not those lithium
ion batteries and all the stuff theygotta do to mine it and manufacture it and
all of that stuff is not anybetter than, uh, you know,
(24:46):
the way gasoline or diesel enginesare now. Uh, they're super clean.
Uh, my uncle's got a, uh, full-sizeFord diesel truck. He gets,
uh, you know, probably 15,20 miles to the gallon,
20 miles to the gallon on thehighway 15. Otherwise. And,
but that tailpipe you, you could,you could eat off of that tailpipe.
(25:09):
It's just squeaky clean. No soot,no nothing. Uh, you know, gas cars,
same way. They're, they'revery, very clean now. So, uh,
you know, I,
I don't see where the environmentalside of it is that much of an advantage.
I I just don't, uh, butI could be wrong. Anyway,
(25:31):
yeah, all my episodes this monthare not gonna be this long or,
or this red.
I just had this one in my craw for along time, so I wanted to get it out. Uh,
going forward, it's just gonna bewhatever, uh, whatever happens, happens.
And, uh, be sure to checkout apod pomo.org. And, uh,
(25:52):
this year they're, they're really gettingorganized. We're having a daily live,
uh, you know, live shows over there. Uh,
Jennifer and, and her team over at,at Nap Pod Pomo are, are doing that.
We're doing some podcaster workshops,whether you're participating or not in,
in, you know, as a podcaster,uh, you can still, you know,
(26:16):
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we talk about stuff. Uh, blueberry,
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So anyway, catch you tomorrow.
Mike Dell's world number 3 8 8 4.
November 1st, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo,
23. That sounded official,didn't it?
Anyway, yes, I am doing nappod Pomo again this year.
Uh, just, uh, got done withsome, uh, surgery. So I'm, uh,
(00:23):
running left-handed here.
last Thursday, and I'mrecovering quite well.
A little sore, but, uh, otherwise fine.
I'm gonna be in this sling forthe next six weeks. So if, uh,
if I sound a little left-handed,that's why
(00:47):
I've had this idea, not an idea.
I've had this subject matteron my mind for quite a while.
And of course, as you know, I'mnot the king of consistency.
I am quite inconsistent. But, uh,
we're gonna change that atleast for the next 30 days.
And so today I'm gonna talkabout electric cars. The,
(01:11):
uh, mainly the difference, you know,
the pros and cons between full electric,
an EV or a plugin hybrid electric,
or pH ev or just a plain old hybrid. Uh,
so I, I got some stuff listed out. Uh,the list that I have, I didn't create,
uh, of pros and cons,
(01:32):
so I probably going to disagreewith some of the
some of what they came up with here,but, uh, we'll see, we'll see. So, uh,
a little intro says,full electric cars, EVs,
and plugin hybrid electric cars eachhave their own set of advantages and
disadvantages. Hmm, that's whatI just said, wasn't it? Anyway,
(01:56):
some of the pros of a fullelectric vehicle is number
1 0 0 emissions, and that's bss.
But there, I'll read what they said,and then I'm gonna read what I think,
not read what I think I'm gonnasay, what I think. Anyway,
full electric cars produceno tailpipe emissions,
(02:16):
making them environmentallyfriendly. Well, yeah,
they have no tailpipe emissions, butwhere does that electricity come from?
You know, so something gotburnt or something got reacted,
or something got heated tocreate that electricity,
regardless of whether it comes outtayour tailpipe or not. You know, the,
(02:40):
the, the thing about electric, Ithink, you know, and, and not being a,
an engineer type, uh,
what I think about electric is, youknow, it's gotta come from somewhere. So,
you know, that's, you know,yeah, you're not gonna,
not gonna have any tailpipe emissions.So I guess I can agree with that. Uh,
(03:01):
lower operating costs, electricityis generally cheaper than gasoline,
and EVs typically have fewer movingparts than traditional vehicles
resulting in a, potentially in, oh,
in potentially lower maintenancecosts. Well, yes and no.
Yes, it, it can be cheaper to maintainan electric vehicle because, you know,
(03:24):
there's no oil changes,
and generally they're better onbrakes because they do regenerative
braking and all that good stuff,
but electricity isn'talways cheaper. In fact,
in a lot of places it's moreexpensive than gasoline. What was it?
The, uh, CEO of Ford, Jim Farley,not the Jim Farley from, uh,
(03:49):
from, uh, WhatsApp with that,that I used to do. In fact,
I'm gonna get him on here thismonth, hopefully, and, uh,
and maybe do one of those. That'dbe fun. But anyway, uh, Jim Farley,
who is the, uh, CEO of Ford Motor Company,
took off in a, uh,
Ford Lightning and experiencedsome of the pitfalls
(04:12):
of driving an electric vehicle.Not necessarily the cost,
but he did, uh, you know, didn't,
didn't enjoy it as much as he thoughthe would, which I thought was,
you know, kind of funny. I, like I said,I have nothing against completely ev,
you know, complete EV vehicles,
(04:32):
but they're not foreverybody. And, you know,
California's trying to force trying,
they've already passeda thing whereby 2030,
was it that, uh,
there's gonna be no more internalcombustion engine vehicles sold
in the state of California. Okay?
(04:54):
That might work out okay, but theyhave enough trouble keeping their
power grid on as it is, you know,in the summertime, it, you know,
everybody's running ACand whatnot and, you know,
I just don't see how that's goingto work for them or anyone really,
(05:15):
you know? And even up here,Northern Michigan, you know,
the EVs don't do as well inthe cold as they do in, uh,
70 degree weather or a hundreddegree weather. So we'll see,
we'll see. Quiet operation,yes, I agree with that 100%.
EVs are generally quieter than vehicleswith internal combustion engines.
(05:37):
I just listened to, uh,
an episode of 20,000 Hertzwhere they talked about
the,
the noise that is now requiredof EVs in certain states.
They have to make a noise whenthey're at parking lot speeds.
And some of those noises are kindof, kind of funny, you know, if I,
if I got to pick thenoise, I, I want the, uh,
(06:00):
George Jetson flying car noise,
I think that'd be fun anyway.But yes, the EVs are quiet,
instant torque, and that's, you know,
number four on the pros forthe full ev uh, you know,
electric motors provide instant torque,which can lead to quick acceleration.
(06:20):
Yeah, they're fast. Uh, Iguess that Tesla plaid is, uh,
is something else. Ludicrous mode.
And so that, that I guesswould be an advantage,
except for when are yougonna use it? You know, it's,
it's like somebody buying a, aLamborghini Huan or some, you know,
(06:42):
whatever the new Lamborghiniis, uh, to go, you know, well,
it goes 200 miles an hour. I said, well,yeah, but where are you gonna use that?
Same thing with this instantacceleration. It's, it's cool,
it's a party trick. But Idon't know if practically,
you know, I guess if you livein a, an area where there's a,
a lot of traffic and stuff, thatcould be pretty handy. I don't know.
(07:06):
Incentives, uh, that's anotherthing. Many governments,
uh, around the world, around thecountry offer tax breaks, rebates,
and other incentives for purchasingan electric vehicle. Yeah,
well, for now, but when allvehicles are electric, you know,
what, what
(07:29):
Reduce dependence on oil using EVscan reduce a country's dependence on
imported oil. Okay? Again,
the electricity's gotta come fromsomewhere, burning natural gas, coal,
nuke, if it's nuke, and then, okay,I am all for it. But, uh, you know,
a lot of people that are forelectric cars are against nuke
(07:52):
and nuclear energy is probably the,
the one way that this wouldmake sense to having, you know,
everybody be on an electriccar. And some of the cons,
uh, limited range, some EVshave a limited driving range,
all have a limited drivingrange. Uh, not just some, uh,
(08:14):
but compared to gasoline vehicles,of course there's limited range. Now,
you know,
you get a fancy Tesla and you're inan area where there's a lot of Tesla
chargers or along, along your route,
there's a lot of Teslachargers and they're not busy,
and they're all workingand, and, and, you know,
(08:34):
you can drive cross countryin a Tesla, you know,
and you spend an hour here, spend anhour there charging. And, you know,
it's not significantly differentthan driving a gasoline
powered vehicle, but tried doingthat across Interstate 80. Uh,
I remember between, uh,Laramie, Wyoming, and, uh,
(08:59):
Ogden, Utah that chunked through there.
You can barely get thereon one tank of gasoline. I,
I can't imagine an ev doingthat, but could happen.
And that's been a long timesince I've been out there.
So maybe there are more charging,uh, of course, another one,
another one of the cons is alonger refueling time. Of course,
(09:21):
charging an EV can take longer thanfilling up a guest. It can. Yeah, it does.
But again, you know,
think you're on our tripand you stop for lunch
or dinner or whatever, just to,
to walk around to hit therestroom, whatnot. Uh, you know,
it may not be significantly longerdepending on how you do it, you know,
(09:44):
but when I'm, you know, when I'm on aroad trip and I, I want to get somewhere,
you know,
I stop for fuel and whileI'm getting fuel or I get
something to eat and I get to, youknow, hit the bathroom and all that,
and I'm back in the vehicle, 15minutes, something like that,
you know, a lot of these, uh, electriccars, you gotta spend, you know,
(10:05):
45 minutes to an hour just toget to the next charging station,
which you're going to do another 45minutes to an hour of charging time
and fully charge the car couldtake 3, 4, 5 hours. So, hmm.
You know, uh,
another disadvantage is charginginfrastructure while growing ev
(10:26):
charging infrastructureis not as widespread as
gasoline. Wow. I can't readwith a crap today. That's okay.
But you get the point. The point is,they don't have it all built out yet.
And, you know, how long is it gonnatake to completely build out the,
the charging stations andwhatnot? So, you know,
(10:48):
it could be that you get in anarea where there's four chargers,
electric charging stations,uh, one set of Meyer store,
which is, uh, kinda like a, aWalmart, but a Midwest thing. Uh,
(11:10):
there's some there, there's someat a Burger King here, uh, in town.
And I know there's one other, butI have, I'm not exactly sure where.
But the funny thing is, Igo to the one, uh, you know,
go see, go drive by the one my Meyersthere, and they have like four chargers,
maybe or six. And every once ina while I'll see a car there,
(11:32):
but I don't see a lot. And on thisside of town at the Burger King,
uh, that's a blink charger. And uh,
I think they have fourcharging stations there.
And I don't see any,
I've never seen a carparked at the EV charger.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen,but you know, I've never seen it.
(11:55):
Now when I've gone to Columbus for work,
the hotel I stay at has Tesla chargers,
and usually there's at least oneTesla Park there at the hotel. Okay,
yeah. Maybe if I lived in Columbus,that would be a, a viable option.
But living around here, you know,
now I'd probably have a chargerset up at home, which, you know,
(12:17):
would be much more convenient andprobably would use it. But, uh, again,
you know, there's nothing particularlywrong about these things. It's just,
you know,
there's a particular missionthat they work for and some that
not really, uh, let's see,
higher upfront costs. Yeah, that's true.
(12:39):
Although prices are coming down,
EVs can have a higher initial purchaseprice than a traditional vehicle.
They can, uh, depends, you know, butyou know, if you're gonna buy a Tesla,
of course you're gonna, you're gonnapay a lot of extra money for a Tesla.
Tesla's obviously the bestof the best, or maybe Rivian,
which is even moreexpensive. And you know,
(12:59):
I do see a bunch of Rivian around hereand Teslas, so I don't, I don't know,
they must charge at home or something.
Or maybe I just don't know where thepublic chargers are since I'm not in that
market. But, uh, yes, theycan be more expensive. Also,
battery degradation. Um, EVs,
(13:20):
you know, the batteries only last somany cycles. You know, it's like your,
you know, your phone, youriPhone or your Android, you know,
after a couple of years, it doesn'thold as much charge as it used to. And,
you know, to change a battery is likechanging an engine in a car, you know,
in a gas powered car, you are gonna spendfour or six, eight, $10,000 for that.
(13:40):
And, you know, is it worthit? So kind of throws it away.
And that kinda screws up thewhole environmental thing too. I,
I read a study somewhere and I, I wishI had it. If I did, if I could find it,
I would put it in the linkshere. But they say that, uh,
an electric car say,say a Tesla model three
(14:01):
and you bought a brandnew Mo Tesla model three,
and you bought a brand newChevy Suburban with a 6.2 liter
V eight engine in it. Okay? And youbought both of them at the same,
same time. Both of them costroughly the same amount of money,
maybe a little more for theSuburban, but over its lifetime.
(14:24):
Say you drive it a quarter million miles.
Now I've never heard of a Teslagoing a quarter million miles,
but let's just for instance say it did.
And so you drive that Tesla a quartermillion miles and you drive that suburban
a quarter million miles.
That Suburban is gonna put outless pollution in the atmosphere
than that Tesla. You know,'cause you gotta mine the stuff,
(14:48):
probably gonna change the, uh,change the battery at least once, uh,
on the Tesla you may end upchanging an engine on the, uh,
on the suburban. But the engine, you know,
doesn't take up specificsignificant amounts of, uh,
any raw materials other than someiron and
(15:09):
plastics. Uh, but the, the paraphrasing,
the study that the, uh,
suburban was definitely acleaner choice than the Tesla
for a a quarter millionmile lifespan. So, you know,
so a full electric vehicle in myparticular case is probably not going
(15:30):
to be what I'm gonna get. Uh,
I would more go for the pluginhybrid or just the plain old hybrid,
probably a plugin. 'cause again,
I could plug it in at homefor a lot of my missions.
I could definitely doall electric, you know,
like going to doctor's appointments andgoing shopping and going out to dinner
(15:54):
and, you know, all this stuff.
But then I would also have that choiceif I wanted to go on a longer ride.
I could, you know, most plug-inhybrids, you know, go quite a ways.
I rented one, one time, it was a Ford. Uh,
I, yeah, they're midsize car, whateverthat was. Fusion. So Ford Fusion,
(16:14):
plug it hybrid.
I rented one and the thing got 47 miles to
the gallon of gas
and I drove it to Columbusand back for work.
It was great. Uh, you know, and halfthe time the engine's not running.
You can't really tell 'causethey're super quiet, uh,
(16:36):
whether the engine's running or not.But it got 47 miles to the gallon.
It was quiet. And, you know, Icould totally see that, you know,
and driving around in downtownColumbus, the thing was charged up.
'cause I'd been driving it on the highway.I didn't plug it in the whole time.
I, I had it, but you don'thave to with those. But anyway,
(16:57):
here's some of the stuff thatthe, this list came up with. Uh,
flexibility plugin.
Hybrid electric vehicles can runon electricity for a short trip and
switch to gasoline for longer ones.Providing the best of both worlds.
Agree 100%. Much, uh, much more flexible,
reduced emissions whilenot zero emission when
(17:21):
using gasoline plugin hybridsgenerally emit less than traditional
vehicles.
And that's true 'cause the electricmotor helps on acceleration and all that.
So tailpipe emissions are reduced.Uh, again, you still got that, uh,
battery problem, but notas much as with a full, uh,
full electric 'cause the batteriesaren't as big on the plugins.
(17:44):
Uh, incentives, just like the EVs,
many governments can offer incentivesfor purchasing a plugin hybrid.
So yeah, that's, that's a thing.It may not always be a thing,
but it's a thing. Uh, let'ssee. Less ranging anxiety.
Gasoline engine can act as a backup whenthe batteries depleted. Yeah, I mean,
(18:06):
it's just a normal car,you know, in practicality,
it, it's just a normal car. So, you know,
and that goes for regular hybridsor plugin hybrids. It's, uh,
it's a great, uh, great thing.And infrastructure for charging.
Uh, you don't have to worry so much aboutthat. Now, if you feel like doing it,
(18:28):
you could stop and plug in youruh, uh, you know, plug in hybrid,
but you don't have to. Andthat's the, the beauty of it.
And since they have a smaller battery,
you could plug it intojust plain old 110, uh,
here in the states or two 20everywhere else. Uh, you know,
class one charger would probablyhelp, you know, if I had one,
(18:51):
I would probably plug the thing in.And when I got in the garage, you know,
every night, that'd be fine, you know,
and it would probably be just fine.
But you don't ever really have to plugthem in either. So that's kind of a good,
good thing. So here's the cons theycome up with on this list. Like I said,
this is a list that Ididn't create
(19:12):
but thought it was agood subject matter. Uh,
one of the cons of a plugin hybridis it still uses gasoline. Yeah,
duh. That's it. Advantage if youask me. But that's a con here.
Listed
having both an electric motor and agasoline engine can lead to more complex
maintenance and potentialrepairs. True. But again,
(19:34):
the electric side of that ismuch less maintenance than the
gasoline side. And sinceit is a plugin hybrid,
and you will be running in full EV modeonce in a while or some of the time,
or even when you're not, it's lessstress and strain on the engine.
'cause generally they have smallerengines. Uh, what is that? BMW.
(19:56):
There was ABMW model that I thoughtwas pretty good. Plugin hybrid that,
uh, had a little three cylinder engine and
you know, plus the battery and thething would go a hundred miles or so on,
on pure electric.
And basically the gasolineengine just charged the
(20:17):
battery. So it was actuallyrunning electric mode all the time.
Just sometimes the engine'srunning, sometimes it's not.
And I don't see why that'smuch more complicated than, uh,
than a regular gas car. Soat a higher cost, of course,
higher up front cost. Uh, 'causeyou're buying the battery in the,
in the second drive train, basically.So yeah, that makes sense. Uh,
(20:42):
limited electric range. Well, yeah,
'cause it's gonna havesmaller batteries. Of course,
you could get a plug-in hybrid thathas the full battery. I think there,
there's a couple of 'em out therewhere you can go 300 miles on,
on electric and, and it stillhas an engine. So that's kind of cool. And weight,
yes, they are heavy,
(21:04):
but when you live up here in the northwhere the snow flies heavy might not
be a bad thing. At leastnot for getting going,
sometimes for stopping
in summary,
the choice between a full EV and a plug-inhybrid depends on individual needs.
Driving habits and priorities.
Both options contribute toreducing greenhouse emissions.
(21:27):
I still don't believe that thatwas me interjecting while reading,
uh, compared to the traditionalgasoline powered vehicles.
So yeah, my, the bottom line is, I,
I don't think I will go fora full electric vehicle now.
I could see maybe ifit was a second car or
(21:50):
a third car, you know, uh,
I could see having something that'sfull electric. You know, if, say I, I,
I commuted, I don't commute. Well, mycommute's 45 feet out the back door,
uh, to my office here.
But say I commuted like I used towhen I worked at the print shop,
(22:11):
uh, I think I commuted two anda half miles, maybe three miles.
I could see having a full electriccar for that, for that mission,
but it couldn't be my primaryvehicle because I still,
you know,
would like the option to be able to goon long trips without having to worry
about it or without having torent a car or whatever. Uh,
(22:36):
but you know, I could see thatin, in that case, I could,
I could see a, a full electric,you know, if, if I was,
you know, say I was retired and all Idid was go to doctor's appointments and,
and grocery shoppingand, and whatever, yeah.
Doctor's appointments around my mind sinceI've been doing a lot of that lately.
(22:58):
But
if you're not taking longtrips, you're, you know,
just gonna be putzing around town.Yeah, might be fun. Um, but then again,
you could, uh, probably go, uh, get a, uh,
oh, what do you callit? Uh, get, get a, uh,
(23:19):
a golf cart
uh, so that, that's mygist. Uh, I don't know,
something just popped up on myscreen here, uh, while recording,
so I don't know what that means. But,uh, it still seems to be recording,
so we'll just go with it. But, uh, yeah,
(23:40):
I could see myself driving aplugin hybrid, uh, for sure,
because there's no realcompromise there. Now, you know,
you look at that, uh, Ford Lightningtruck, it's a full size pickup truck.
If I was gonna buy something like thator say I bought something like that,
and I, you know, I'm towingthings, well, towing things,
(24:02):
you're not gonna get the 300miles or whatever out of it.
You're gonna get quarterof that. Uh, you know,
if you're just putzing around town,you don't need anything that big. It,
it just doesn't seemlike a practical thing.
But if I had a hybrid full-sizedtruck where, you know,
the electric assist, uh,sometimes or just to help the,
(24:25):
the fuel mileage, thatthat'd be totally fine. Uh,
but like I said, don't buyinto the thing that, that,
that it's better for the environmentbecause they're really not those lithium
ion batteries and all the stuff theygotta do to mine it and manufacture it and
all of that stuff is not anybetter than, uh, you know,
(24:46):
the way gasoline or diesel enginesare now. Uh, they're super clean.
Uh, my uncle's got a, uh, full-sizeFord diesel truck. He gets,
uh, you know, probably 15,20 miles to the gallon,
20 miles to the gallon on thehighway 15. Otherwise. And,
but that tailpipe you, you could,you could eat off of that tailpipe.
(25:09):
It's just squeaky clean. No soot,no nothing. Uh, you know, gas cars,
same way. They're, they'revery, very clean now. So, uh,
you know, I,
I don't see where the environmentalside of it is that much of an advantage.
I I just don't, uh, butI could be wrong. Anyway,
(25:31):
yeah, all my episodes this monthare not gonna be this long or,
or this red
I just had this one in my craw for along time, so I wanted to get it out. Uh,
going forward, it's just gonna bewhatever, uh, whatever happens, happens.
And, uh, be sure to checkout apod pomo.org. And, uh,
(25:52):
this year they're, they're really gettingorganized. We're having a daily live,
uh, you know, live shows over there. Uh,
Jennifer and, and her team over at,at Nap Pod Pomo are, are doing that.
We're doing some podcaster workshops,whether you're participating or not in,
in, you know, as a podcaster,uh, you can still, you know,
(26:16):
get in on those. Uh, they're justbig giant Zoom calls and, uh,
we talk about stuff. Uh, blueberry,
the company I work foris a sponsor this year,
and we'll be participating in someof the live shows and all that.
And of course, if youdon't already know, uh,
I'm the co-host of Podcast Insiderthat comes out every Thursday
(26:38):
over@blueberry.com or podcast insider.com.
So anyway, catch you tomorrow.
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