Maurice’s Paranormal Experience (The Last Mind Escape 1.0 Episode #327)

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Welcome to Mind Escape. Are you ready?
Are you ready to escape your mind?

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All right, folks, welcome back to Mike and Maurice's Mind
Escape. Hello. #327 this is the last
episode of Mind Escape. One point O Not that we'll never
see Maurice again. I'm sure I'll be doing some
stuff with him here. But yeah, this is the last one

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of the conventional lifestyle that we've done for almost 8
years now. Wow, what a journey.
Yeah. Brings a tear to the eye, yeah.
I know I haven't done an episodein a while either, but I've been
working solely on Masters of Rhetoric.
If you haven't already, please go check out my other podcast

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slash YouTube channel, Masters of Rhetoric based on ancient
Greece and the earliest philosophers and pre Socratics
and Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, all that kind of jazz.
There's already a lot of contenton there.
There's a ton of shorts. There's five episodes.
I'm working on another five. And just so everybody knows,

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this is a transitional episode. I will be continuing with Mind
Escape, but it'll be known as New Telos, which means new
purpose. For the last eight years, we've
been investigating mysteries andthe fringe and borderline stuff.
And yeah, things change, ideas change, philosophies change.

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So the podcast is going to change a little bit.
We'll talk about that more here in a minute.
Before we get started again, check out Masters of Rhetoric
links down below. Check out our our link tree.
Also, by the way, I've taken down most of the older episodes

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we've done. This will be episode 327.
Most of the older episodes are on Patreon for $2.00 a month.
They're archived now, so if you want to go check that out,
they've been free for the last eight years, but I'm kind of
redoing everything. So they're not going anywhere.
You can go watch them. But again, they're $2.00 a
month. And, you know, we appreciate

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everybody we've had on as a guest and friends and people
we've met along the way, But allgood things come to an end or
change, and that's what's happening here, so.
Yeah, you got to embrace the change or you get you get brain
bubbles, as they say. Well, I mean, how could you do
something for? Well, I mean, the other thing is

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like, how could you do somethingfor eight years and not evolve
and change and stuff. You know, I find it.
As well. I've seen it, I've seen people
and it's like that. That's that's when trouble
happens. In their lives.
Because change isn't easy, you know what I mean?
Like, that's the problem. It's the change part is always
going to be a challenge in some way or or another.
And it's some people don't want to ever confront the change and

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then the change becomes them, which is just not good.
So that's it. And that's the show, folks.
But yeah, I mean, I've, I've, I'm, you know, for the most
part, I see lots of people that do good research and they're
always evolving their opinions and ideas and everything like
that. But there's still people that

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are kind of doing the same stuff, saying the same things,
repeating the same stuff and more power to them.
That's just not what we're looking to do or what I'm
looking to do. So And so Maurice hasn't been on
in a while. I think the last time you were
on, we just talked about how youjust got engaged with the

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Galapagos. Oh.
OK. Why don't you give us a little
update? What's been happening since?
Yeah, you know, I, I, I got married, my wife moved in here
in the last September and yeah, I just been staying busy.
I have a production company. I think everybody knows I
started doing weddings and stufflike that and then, you know, we

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hooked up and I started doing a lot of social media content and
stuff. But I actually, my wife is, is
Latin. She's from Ecuador.
So I actually have been helping her develop a Learn how to Speak
Spanish course with one of her other friends, which is pretty
cool. It's a whole, it's this kind of
new concept that we call it Maria's Spanish Lounge.

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It's like a nightclub kind of atmosphere.
We, it, it, I don't know if you've, there's like a concept
called immersion where you kind of immerse yourself.
A lot of people really subscribeto that because it's one thing
that, you know, go on these Duolingo in these apps and stuff
like that, you learn words. But the real way to learn is
either go to the country and just get yourself right in

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there. So we're kind of taking that
concept and bringing it into like what we call these happy
hours. We, the course is 2 * a week and
then we have, you know, these happy hours twice a week and
stuff like that. But if they if people want to
find out more, there's a link inthe description and that'll take
you to our YouTube channel. I would love to, if you guys

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follow, we do these little bite sized courses where you can
learn a phrase here or there. But on the on on our YouTube
channel, there's a link to the wait list and that'll give you a
bunch of more information about it.
But yeah, man, it's super cool. Like a lot of people, I didn't
even realize it. Like 8 million people are
actively learning Spanish in theUnited States alone.
So I thought it was really cool.Like I said, her friend, her and

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her friend are really energetic,positive, like they just have a
good vibe to them. So I'm, I have no doubt in my
mind that once we get this ball rolling, people will really
gravitate and, and learn from them.
But just like any other business, we're kind of trying
to find our footing and stuff. But like I said, I think we have
a really unique mechanism with these lounge type of of of

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method. It's it's a lot fun.
It's there's way more fun and activity and like people kind of
conversing and just. Say you almost said it.
It's funner dude. It's.
Funner. Dude, it's not a word, but it's
fun. I.
Know, I know, and I've said it amillion times.
But so yeah, that's what's what's what's been going.
I'm glad to get back on here because I did over the last year

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just talk about change. My whole life has been kind of
change and and. Dude, you are a completely
different, I mean, I'm very, I'mvery different than when we
started Mindscape, but you are like a kind of a completely
different person. Yeah, so again, I try and keep
the core of myself, you know, viral, jovial, goofy, just

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having a good time. But substances and things of
that nature were really keeping me down.
And I know you joke about it, you call me Mr. Vibrations and
stuff like that, but I really, again, the stuff that I talked
about today, this is really my path.
And I found religion. I, I mean, I didn't find it.

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I've always had it in my life, but I'm not really going to go
into the particulars of what religion or what or stuff like
that because I really don't wantto.
And I'm and I've lost religion, OK.
Yeah, yeah, I'm. Losing I'm losing this I'm.
Sitting in a room, ladies and gentlemen, and we're that's.
That dichotomy right there. Yeah, I, I, again, I just want
to reiterate like, I'm not goingto go into like the particulars

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about what religion I'm talking about because that's, that is
the truth for me. I just want to encourage other
people to kind of find their truth because when you're on the
right path, when you're doing the right things, when you're
connected, and I'll just say we'll just call it the universe.
When you're connected right to the universe, you'll get signs
and things. My experience I take as a sign

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and you'll, you'll, you'll understand when I, when I kind
of go in more about it. But like I said, I really don't
like. I'm excited.
I haven't heard the story, by the way, where the story that
we're about to dive into, which is Maurice's paranormal
experience, I don't know. I actually don't know anything
about it. He knows pretty much all about
all my weird experiences just from doing the podcast over the

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years. And I don't think I've had
anything crazy since, you know, we talked still a lot now that
I, we live 10 minutes from each other now too.
But yeah, I don't, there's not much of my weird stuff you don't
know about. But this is going to be
interesting 'cause I don't know anything about this story and
I'm I'm ready to pick it apart. Well, again, I've always been a

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skeptic. I've always been embracing of
supernatural paranormal. I've never Pooh poohed anything.
We made a whole documentary about it and stuff like that,
and I wasn't like sitting there and being like, is this guy
telling the truth or not? I just your truth is your truth
and stuff like that. Before we get going, I want to
ask everybody to smash the like button.
That really helps us push this out.

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This is going to be the end of an era, but it's a positive
thing in the sense that Michael's starting this whole
other adventure. And again, I would love to
continue down the road and, and,and help him and be a part of it
when I can. But yeah, man, I don't know.
I I mean, I can jump into the story and you can kind of just
like treat it as a regular so. Again, I just want to point out
this is going to be probably thelast one.

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Not that I'll never do anything live again, but I mean, we've
been doing a live podcast for eight years and I want to do
something different. And from doing Masters of
Rhetoric, I've learned that I like putting visuals together
and audio and editing and thingslike that.
So and maybe, you know, like I said, I want to use you in the

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future. Maybe you can help me edit
things or whatever. Give me your opinion on things
too and stuff like that. But yeah, this will be the last
like live in the moment thing. And going forward, it'll be more
manicured. And edited.
Yeah, absolutely, Absolutely. Right on.
Well. Dive right in.

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So I was going to my friend's house.
I went over to my friend's housewho I have a business with, and
we were really working hard on this project.
He's like my best. He's like a brother to me
essentially. So we were really deep in this
project and it was like just tons of hours and it was, it

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wore us down. And I went on a vacation, came
back and it was, it was, it sucked because of the vacation
was planned and it was like right in the middle of like the,
the big workload. So again, this, this part of the
story doesn't really matter. The, the bottom line is I went
over to my friend's house and wekind of got into an argument
about, you know, the workload and, and I wasn't really, I

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wasn't there for all these issues that came up and it was
just tough. And again, we got into a like a
yelling match. And I'm not a big confrontation
person. I know, I mean, most people
aren't big confrontation person,but I was just, I was taken back
by the whole thing and I, I was kind of just kind of, you know,
just I just belittle. I'm not, I don't want to say I

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was belittle. I was just like I felt down.
I felt bad about the whole experience.
And I went home and I lived alone at the time and I went
home and I was like, I'm going to go for a walk.
So usually when I walk or ride my bike or do anything like
that, I get to clear my mind and, and, and that's a good

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thing. So I, I went for a walk and I
remember, I walked outside my house and my, my shades were
open and I was like, oh man, I shouldn't leave my shades open.
I don't like people looking intomy living room and like seeing
my TV or whatever. But I was like, whatever, I'm
already outside. I'll just, I'm walking around
the neighborhood. I'm not that worried about
someone looking into my house. So I left my house and the

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neighbor directly across from myhouse, they had their door open
and I never, I never see their door open late in the evening
and it was dark out. So I was like, oh, their, their,
their doors open. That's I've never seen their
door open. And I was like looking in their
house and I saw this like shadowin the house and it was

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standing. I don't know if I can even show
you. It was like you could see.
Like Pan, Peter. Like so you could see the holes
of the arms. Yeah, like the Peter Pan shadow
like. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Just. Like or hook or whatever,

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whatever your favorite you. Know so I saw that and I was
like oh I'm standing like that It must be the shadow cast from
me. At first I was scared I was like
wow that's weird because I was looking in the doorway and I
didn't see any person. So then I'll then my, my science

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mind started to, to activate andI was like, well, if someone was
standing back in the hallway anda light was shining from behind
them, I know the people that live there, no one has the
shape. It was like a perfect, I guess
male shape and, and, and it's anolder man and the, the, the guy

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that lives at this house does not have the shape.
But again, who knows. And then so I was like, it's
maybe that was him. And then I thought, oh, well,
maybe it was me. And then I just walked.
I just walked away and I can't carry it on my walking.
And you're, you're completely sober, just like tired and
stressed out from work or. Whatever, I wasn't even tired.
I mean, this is like, so this is, I think this was in

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September in Michigan. So the sun goes down around, I
don't know, like 7 or 730. It was like it was like right
around like 8:00, it was like the sun went down and I was
totally sober and I was not thattired.
So again, in my mind, I'm running through.
Was it the light from a, from a light pole, you know, street

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light shining on me, projecting in there and I just walked away
And when I was down half down mystreet, like, why didn't I like
investigate that? But I convinced myself that it
was probably just my shadow. So then I walked around the
block and then when I came back to that area, I was like testing

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the shadow. So I was like putting myself.
I was like, can I project that image into that?
The thing that was crazy was it was a, it was perfectly in the
door. So either the guy was standing
in his doorway with a light shining behind him backlighting
him perfectly into a shadow, or I don't know.

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So whatever. I looked at the house again and
the door was closed and I was just like OK, whatever was the
way. I didn't honest to God, I
thought it was some kind of ghost at 1st and I thought it
was like a bad thing. And when I went into my house,
the shades were closed and I waslike, OK, maybe this is what

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happens when when stuff, whenever something strange
happens to me, I always just second guess it.
It's almost like when you have adream, you wake up, it's very,
very real. And then as the day goes on,
you're just like, Oh yeah, that was just fake or whatever.
That's what this kind of felt like.
But I went into my house and I remember the shades were closed
and I was like, I don't rememberclosing those.

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So it's not the craziest ghost story or whatever.
But that's not really the point because that's not really the
sign at hand. So I had that experience and I
saw that figure and it was, it resonated in my mind the way,
like I said, the way they, the person or figure, whatever was
standing, like you said, the Peter Pan with the hands on the

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side in the perfect outline of awhatever it may be.
So I, I just, I never really thought about it again.
And then me and my wife went into it's like counseling before
you get married and you meet with I guess there's no way

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around this. I met with my priest and I've
always been Christian my whole life, but I was kind of turned
off by the Catholic religion just for, for I don't even know.
I mean, I was, I was always non denomination.
I was just kind of Christian my whole life because my mom, she
was Catholic, but then she got divorced and then the church

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kind of pushed her away. And that was a big, you know,
kind of turn off or whatever. But I, my wife is hardcore
Catholic and I, I have no problem with it.
Again, I'm Christian and you know, it's all it's, it's just
little details and stuff like that.
So I, I wanted to become, what is it?

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It's not baptized. It's like confirmed.
I wanted to be confirmed and everything so I could take, I
could take communion with her and everything like that.
Again, I want to preface this bysaying that this is my path and
this was my road to wherever I am now.
And everybody has their own thing.
So I'm not like pushing one religion or another.
That's not for me to decide for anybody that this is just, I

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know the right path for me. And I think there's other paths
for people to, to take to find their truth and, and stuff like
that. So again, I don't want to
alienate anybody. I'm very cautious of, of saying
that, but this is my my path andthis is the story I'm telling.
So I, we started going to this, my, our priest, he's actually a

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family friend and he's had some,some really ups and downs in his
life. He wasn't a guy that was like
born right into priesthood. He was like, I, I don't know
what his past was, but he found priesthood in his later 30s.
He had some family stuff. One of his brothers passed away
and, and he had some really hardthings happen in his life and it
turned him to kind of become whohe is now.

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And it was really good because he, he spoke Spanish and stuff
like that. So it was like a beautiful
coincidence, I guess, because hewe found him, he was going to
marry us and he also spoke Spanish.
So he did half of our ceremony in in Spanish, which was amazing
because some of my wife's friends and family don't even
understand English. So we went to him and he was

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pretty laid back. You know, some of these some of
these counselors are like, are you guys like living together?
We won't marry you. Are you guys, they're, they're
crazy. I know my sister went to a
couple of them and they, they'relike, oh, you guys live
together, We can't marry you, like stuff like that.
But he's cool. He's really, really cool.
And he just opened my, my mind and my heart up to this religion

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again, because I had this like negative annotation surrounding
it. But he gives you these workbooks
to take home and read and like they have these little like
quizzes and stuff like that. And I took the first packet home
and I sat in my my living room. If you were sat in my living

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room, that's where I lay is likeright next to this window that
the shades kind of shut on themselves or whatever.
But it's directly like if you look out the window, you can see
the house that I saw the shadow figure in whatever.
It's not that big of a detail. But anyways, I'm laying on there
and I'm looking. At the at the packet and I turn

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a page and the exact image that I saw in the doorway is in the
corner of this packet. Pan.
It's AI, wish I had. I probably have it.
It's a shadow with the hands like this on the side.
You just call a pan. Just call a pan.
The exact same thing. Now people are going to say,

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well, it's a coincidence. It's this, it's that I'm telling
you, it's the IT was the exact way this shadow was standing.
And when I saw that I go, it's, it's God.
First of all, it wasn't a negative thing.
He was there to say, Hey, I, I, I'm here.
You know, another thought, another thought I had when I saw

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that was maybe it's a friend, one of my good friends passed
away. Maybe it's my brother.
My brother passed away. It essentially it was, it was
all of that all together. This is my, this is my theory on
it. And people can agree or
disagree, but I saw that I immediately go, I'm on the right
path. Whatever I'm doing right now is,

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is right. And it was a very comforting
feeling, but I was like blown away by it.
And I, I jumped up and I went and I showed my wife and I told
her the whole story and 'cause Ididn't really tell the story.
I, I had it happen And I was just in my mind, like I said,
the dream thing, I was like, it was something was projected in
there and it was just just whatever.

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I mean, again, maybe it was my neighbor, maybe it was me, but
there was no possible way that it, my shadow was being cast
into this guy's door. Well, perfectly and, and like
that, But so that was pretty cool.
And then, you know, I'm sitting there reading this packet and
I'm like, I liked, I like a lot of the way 'cause when I was
talking to my, my, my priest Father Chris, and I'm asking him

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all these questions, he was, he's like, no, no, it's not like
that. Again, a lot of these, this,
this, this negative annotation. And I don't know if it's like
the way that the newer Catholic Church is being presented or
whatever, but he really squasheda lot of these stereotypical
things that I, I was kind of turned off by.

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And I really fell in love with what he was saying and it
connected with me. Then I have this experience and
then I, I, I, I shit you not, I'm on the last page of the
first packet. And I'm like, you know what?
I really, really connect with this stuff.
I like it a lot. The only thing I don't like is
they don't talk about meditationreally.

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And I really find that, you know, our family's big
meditation advocates and, and, and, and you do it and, and our
grandfather did it. And, you know, so I'm sitting
there thinking, I'm like, I really like this religion, but
they're missing with the one thing that I really gravitate
towards is the meditation. I literally turn the page and it
says time for guided meditation or something about meditation

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literally on the next page. And I was like, holy shit, this
is, that's pretty big of a coincidence to me.
So that, that's, that's the story.
You know what I mean? Again, I, I don't think it's
like some crazy thing that the house was shaking and, you know,
the lights were turning on and off.
I, I saw a baby crawling on the ceiling type type type of shit.

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But for me, it was a very, very real thing.
And it was it was a sign to me that I was on the right path,
that I was doing the right thing, that I was, I found the
right person in my life and I was kind of going along the
right path. And I think that that's what
coincidences are for a lot of people are always.

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Like, well, I mean, what is a, what is a coincidence or
synchronicity? You know, like I've done a lot
of research into it, including my own experiences, and there's
actually a correspondence between Carl Jung and Wolfgang
Polly. Wolfgang Polly was a physicist.
He was part of like the Manhattan Project and stuff, and

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they were kind of trying to figure out like what it was and
whatever. So even like some of the
smartest minds that, you know, we know of or have ever existed,
you know, they're debating thesethings and thinking about them
as well. So it's not like anybody has it
completely figured out. It's, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I said, I feel like
everybody in their life has always, they've seen things, you
know, a lot of people attribute it to like UC 1111 or repeating
numbers and things like that. But when I, I think it was
around 2020 when all that shit was going down, I started

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meditating a lot. I would go in the sun actually.
And I was doing these guided meditations and literally I was
doing this one about like love. And it wasn't about like, I'm
going to, I'm going to find likeI'm going to meditate until I
get get a girlfriend or something like that.
It was literally based on feeling fulfilled with yourself.

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And probably two weeks after I did that, I met my wife and I
met my wife on a, on a, a datingapp.
And she was literally the first person that I talked to on the
app. And she was the only reason she
was on it was because her friendsaid, Hey, will you do this with
me, 'cause I, I feel I, I don't want to do it like alone.
And we can just hang it, you know, we can meet guys and just

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let you know, kind of get betterat English.
And literally she was the first person that I met on this app.
So I don't know. But ever since that, that day,
that time, that was right when we were kind of really getting
going with the, with the, I don't want to say the
supernatural, but you know, the esoteric, the, the meditating,

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the things like that. You were into it before I was.
I mean, look, so yeah, when we started Mind Escape, I was kind
of going through like a spiritual awakening of my own,
given my mom, you know, was justdiagnosed with cancer, like an
aggressive form. She's OK now.
She's still good. She's in remission.
Everything's good. But it just starts to make you

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question things and then you have some sort of, you know, I
don't even know, like you start to like think about life and
death and metaphysical things and metaphysics and kind of have
like an existential crisis to a certain extent.

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And I started looking into them like, well, what do what do we
know that's weird? Or what you know, like, I guess
what it comes down to is death. Like what is death is is that is
that the end is is when the lights go off?
Is that it kind of a thing? You know, I want, and through
the process of doing minus get the last eight years, I've kind

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of developed this hypothesis that like whether people are,
you know, we've interviewed on UFOs or ancient mysteries and
megaliths or how did they do this or how did they know this
or whatever it was. It kind of all comes back to
people wanting to know what happens when we die, whether
they want to admit it or not. I think what happens when we die

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is kind of the the most fundamental question that people
avoid kind of at all costs, thatthey'll even go as far as to
develop mythology around other aspects of life to kind of work
their way towards that if it makes sense.
Yeah, you know, I, I lost a, a dog a couple weeks ago and I,

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it, it brought it all back to mymind.
It's a different type of, of pain to lose a pet.
Cause I've, I've lost a brother,I've lost a best friend.
And I was super close with my, my best friend, like I saw him
every single day, but he lived, He, he had a life on his own.
So he would go off and do his own thing and he would when

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he's, when he's gone doing his own thing.
Yeah, you might think about it from time to time, but they have
their own life. When you lose an animal, it's
it's fucked up because it's likeevery that that animal is there
every single second of when you're at your house, it's
there. And it loves you
unconditionally, you know, like,but the person I'm getting.
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. No, sorry.

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Go ahead. I don't mean to come the the
point I'm not even talking aboutlike the pain and, and, you
know, and the and the and the love and that kind of thing.
I the, the, what I'm getting more at is thinking.
I, I keep thinking I'm going to the, the, the dog's going to
come running or, or I look at the like the area where the,
the, the dog dishes. I'm like, I got to get her food.
She's gone. It's, it's the brain can't wrap

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its head around. I was talking about this with my
therapist. He's like, the brain doesn't
understand death. That's why when you, you cope
with it, it's so weird and hard because you can't really
understand it. There's something metaphysical
about just that, the fact that we can't even grasp.
Like they say you can't even think about your own death for

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longer than like a few minutes or something.
Like your brain will just shift away from it.
So I don't know, Does that mean that I, I, I equate it to like
the Ant conundrum or an Ant doesn't you, you walk on an Ant
hill, It does. It doesn't understand what's
going on. So just because we don't
understand, it doesn't mean thatit's not happening or there's
something else not going on. But the feeling of she's never

(29:44):
there like I, I don't know, for some reason it's, it was the
hardest with this dog than it was with the actual humans.
I don't know why. Maybe it's because she's around
24/7, but it was just like she'snever going to be there again
kind of thing. I don't know.
And then I then I started feeling bad that I felt, I don't
want to say I felt more pain forlosing the dog than my friend or
my brother, but I was like, what's going on here?

(30:06):
You know, it's just a different,like you said, there's a
different connection. It's yeah, it's different.
Like you said, you're, you know,it's there all the time.
It loves you unconditionally, nomatter what kind of date you had
or whatever. And somebody that's maybe, you
know, related to you or you know, your friend or whatever,
you know, they've, they've got their own life and their own

(30:28):
mind and their own consciousnessand stuff like that.
So it not that the dog does it, obviously, but it's just, it's a
little bit different in that sense.
And I don't know, like I said, Ithink all it's weird that we
don't talk about it as like human beings rarely talk about
death until somebody dies. And then there's this huge like

(30:51):
emotional thing and, you know, is that the way it's designed to
be? Are those roots so ancient, so
primordial that, you know, that's just how it is kind of a
thing? Or are we are we doing ourselves
a disservice by like stigmatizing it?
And like, you know, I. Don't used to talk about it we

(31:13):
this is the other thing that I've been my mind has been
opened and This is why I you know not to plug our our
platform Maria's Spanish lounge,but.
Dude, you better not plug this thing three more times.
No, I'm joking. No, Ever.
You gentlemen. You should plug it as many.
This is the last one point O so you should plug that.
There's a link in the bio for our for our class.

(31:35):
Again, if you're interested in learning Spanish or know anybody
that is, I would love to be ableto bring you guys into the
Spanish lounge and you're going to have a good time learning
with my wife and her friend. It's just it's a different type.
It's not Duolingo. It's, it's, it's, it's a whole
immersive, fun atmosphere where you're actually going to retain
what you're, what you're listening to.
But besides that, marrying a woman from a different culture,

(32:01):
we are, look, I love living in the United States.
We, we have blessings beyond belief, but our mind and our
like society with like the medicine and all that shit.
It's, it's, it's a fucking nightmare, man.
And the food and the this and the that, like you don't even
realize it. That's why I highly, highly
suggest I I've never left the United States until I met my

(32:23):
wife. I went to Canada.
But that's that's not like a different culture going to a
different culture. And yes.
Well, it depends on where you goin Canada.
There's obviously. Yeah, that's true.
Absolutely, absolutely. But to to go to a different
culture, to be a part of their language, their food, their
culture. And like, like I was saying,
yes, it is third world and thereis crime and things like that.

(32:45):
But one thing my wife is very, she's like, it's just people are
cold here. Now listen, I have a great
community around me. My cousins, my like Mike, my
other cousins, the people that are in my life are amazing.
They're not cold. That's not what I'm talking
about. But in general, the people in
the United States, at least to her.

(33:06):
Like if you were to walk, go to New York City and walk down the
street there, you people are going to be most likely cold or
keep walking or not even look at, you know, like that.
That's what you're talking about, right?
Totally, totally. And, and, and the same thing was
kind of happening with the vet system.
Like her vet from Ecuador, like she would come to her house.
She didn't care about money. We called our vet and they're

(33:28):
like, oh, we're closing at 5. She's like, I'm coming right
now. It's 4:45.
I'll be there in 20 minutes. They're like, no, we will, we
close at 5:00. They you can't wait 5 minutes.
This is bullshit. Again, I'm, I, I, I just shoot
weddings. And if I'm at a wedding and
they're like, oh, we got, you know you, I know your, your,
your, your, your contract says you got to be done at 9:30 and

(33:50):
it's 930. But we got this one special
dance. I'm going to stay and shoot the
dance. I'm there to make a piece of art
that's going to last the the test of time.
And I care about my job. I care about my my clients.
I don't know what the fuck is going on in today's.
World maybe they should open up some sort of like a tip system
for vets or something so like there's.

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Like, well, that, that that that's.
I agree with I, I know it with what you're saying like they
should just want to do it or whatever, but that's not how
things work unfortunately. No.
So then I so then I started investigating and all this stuff
happened like since the incidentin 2020, they lost all these
people. And then there's like a massive,
I didn't even realize it becauseagain, I've never had an animal

(34:31):
before. So all this stuff hit me like a
ton of bricks. First I was worried about her
coming 'cause I was like, I don't do, I want a dog, I don't
want to deal with this thing every day.
Then I had her for a year. I fell in love with her and then
I was, I was, I was blown away by the pain that was that came
from losing her. So I'm like all over the place
like I was, I was thinking one thing.
Now I feeling this other thing, but I never had a pet and I

(34:53):
never had a vet, so I didn't know.
And wow, these, the vets that wedealt with were like mechanics
working on a car. It's like your Johnson Rod's
broken. It's this amount like we took
the, we took this poor girl to like 4 vets.
No one could figure it out. No, they ran the same tests,

(35:15):
$600.00, six. It's like Jesus, like at least
tell me something. And Paula knew what was wrong
with her the whole time. But they're like, Oh, well, we
don't see anything. But it's like, I don't know,
man, I I'm just. I wanna get what was wrong with
her. So, well, she was an older dog
that never was spayed and she had her uterus still and she was

(35:36):
just her, her uterus was like ithad an infection and stuff.
We had to have the surgery and she was a super small dog and
she just couldn't. Paula was always worried about
putting her in anesthesia, you know, under anesthesia, because
they really, really warn you with small dogs that if you put
them under anesthesia, they there's a possibility that they
might not wake up. There's that's a possibility

(35:58):
with human beings too. Yeah.
I mean, it's less obviously, butlike I know people that have
like completely lost their memory like short term.
Well, I just saw a whole thing about what anesthesia actually
does that people you. I'm not going to go into it now,
but you should investigate what it does because it's not really.
It's a weird thing that's they don't even know what's happening
in your mind when you're under. It, there's a lot of scientists
and philosophers that point to going under anesthesia as

(36:22):
beaten, kind of losing that state of consciousness and
that's how they think they're studying it.
But as somebody that's pretty much almost died, my heart
didn't stop, but I was unconscious, lost like a ton of
blood couple times the last few years.
You can. They're not the same because
they put to get checked up and Ieventually found out I had

(36:46):
Crohn's to to for them to figureout what was going on.
I had to get put under twice. So I almost died twice and then
I was put under twice. They're completely different
feelings, so. Wow, Yeah, I think I I had
anaesthesia, but I was a kid andI wasn't like paying super close
attention to it. Yeah.

(37:07):
Usually it's a, it's a, it's a combination like propofol and
like ketamine. I mean, it depends on what.
Oh is it really? It's ketamine and stuff.
Some. It depends on what it is.
Yeah, they give people certain, at least for when they did my
endoscopies and my colonoscopy and stuff.
Yeah, but I don't even know how we lifted off from there.
But yeah, like, well, I was saying like just to it's good to

(37:31):
get a taste of different cultures and stuff like that.
Cause again, you know, like I said, I'm not Pooh poohing the
United States. I love living here and we have
opportunities that people don't have and stuff like that.
But there is a, there is a, it'sa big business and the big
business filters into every aspect of the life, whether it's
food or medicine or whatever it may be.
You just got to be aware of it. Again, I, I don't even have like

(37:52):
a very good doctor 'cause my health insurance isn't the best.
So like I found a guy and then he left and it's like if I ever
do get a dog again or. Anything by left I mean his
shadow went like this and flew off and.
He healed me bro. He healed me, Rufi yo, Rufi yo.
Where's Well let's let's not go down that path bro cause 'cause

(38:15):
Pan died. Hook.
The only way he he could. That's a classic movie.
I haven't seen that. I mean, if you watched it now,
maybe it's a piece of shit. I don't know.
I've. No, it's cool.
Man, when we were younger, Hook was like it, you know?
Well, me and my bud in on the Comedy Channel, we did a whole
bit about when Tinkerbell shrankdown.
I mean, I don't know if we want to get into jokes here, but I

(38:37):
was like, finally a woman that Icould fill.
Yeah, because you she's your size.
Exactly, exactly. Because.
That's what I was asking. I go, did Tinkerbell shrink or
did Tinkerbell grow or did Petershrink?
I think she shrunk Peter right when he goes in the tree.
I don't know, I again, I haven'tseen, you know.
The scene I'm talking about. When I think I do, no, I think,

(39:00):
I think you just fly. I don't know.
That's a good question. I have no idea.
Anyways, we went out, we went ona roof on this thing.
But yeah, man, again, like, you know, my story is, is my own.
I know it's probably like I said, it's not like the most a a
baby's head didn't spin around and vomit on me.

(39:23):
It was more of a just an experience that I, I may, I
might have given it more meaningto, but you know, these are the
things that you find in your life that actually can if you're
tuned in. That's the other thing I have
not partaken in cannabis or drinking.
And listen, I'm I'm going to preface it again, this is my

(39:43):
path. If you like to smoke or you like
to drink or you like to do this,that's up to you.
But for me, my truth, I haven't been doing any of that stuff.
I, I have some coffee and stuff like that, but I have these
feelings. I don't even know how to explain
it. Like I'll be watching.
YouTube Yeah, I mean, caffeine is 100% a drug.
Oh, absolutely. It's my drug.

(40:05):
I, I love caffeine and that's, you know, we'll see if I can cut
that out at some point in my life.
But I mean actually you're supposed to counter balance
caffeine with theanine but. I have that.
To get rid of it the jitters. Yeah, I don't really get the
jitters, but what I was saying is I when I ride like I went on

(40:26):
a bike ride this today and I rode past some houses from our
childhood, one of my good friends and I'm like transported
back into it's a memory, but it's like a memory with feeling.
It's almost like a full on time warp.
I don't know how to explain it, but I know I've had these

(40:47):
throughout my life. But the fact that now I'm more
sober and tuned in, they just did they resonate more.
I feel like if I really practiced deeper meditation, I
would even be able to enhance itmore and more.
But that's that's the next step.But yeah, man, I don't know.
I don't even really. You don't have to say, I mean,

(41:08):
look, dude, you've there's episodes where you talk about
all the your psychoactive uses in the past and herbs and Daleks
and all the great wonderful things.
And I'm glad I did it. I'm glad I had those.
Experiences. It's it's formed.
It's formed to who formed you into who you are.

(41:29):
And at least, if nothing else, you've learned from those
experiences and you have those in your hip pocket that you can
draw from when need be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I it was, it's
been a whirlwind. And I don't want to say I was
like nervous to get married. I think everybody has a little
bit of cold feet in a sense, because it's just a big ass

(41:53):
change. It's not even like, oh man, is
this the right person for me or not?
It's just a gigantic change. And when I was, I had such a
crazy month, literally my wife'slike whole family came and
stayed with me for a month. So I was just like, my anxiety
was first of all, all I was worried about was all I could
think about is am I going to getsick and then be sick at my

(42:15):
wedding? And then I just flushed all
this, I'm a cheap bastard, all right.
So anything where money gets wasted, That was all I was
thinking about was I don't want to get sick because then I just
wasted all this money at my party.
So like my mind was fully in that mode and I was just like,
just stay healthy till the wedding.
Just make sure everybody has a good time at your house, set

(42:36):
everybody up, do this, do that. And then at my rehearsal dinner,
it hit me like a ton of bricks and I was like, this is real.
You're getting married tomorrow.Everyone's going to be staring
at you. This had nothing to do with it
starts. Throwing up like world police
every day. You know they used Starbucks for

(42:57):
that vomit scene. Oh, I'm sure.
But I don't know. How did you feel?
Like, did you have that kind of feeling?
Yeah. Dude, I mean, if you're about to
get married and you're not nervous, there's something wrong
with you. I mean, I wasn't nervous because
I love my wife more than anything.
I knew I wanted to marry her, but and we'd been together for a
long time. We lived together, you know,
like there was no question. That's pretty much marriage when

(43:18):
you live with. Someone but yeah, I mean to go
through like the ceremony and the process and you go here then
and it's just so it's all new, you know, it's like anything
else. You go to an event and you're
the you're the star of the show and you know it's you've only
rehearsed this thing like once and you're supposed to just go
through all these, you know, ceremonial motions, if you will.

(43:39):
And yeah, I mean, so he's from that standpoint for sure.
And I don't know, like I said, Idon't know how many people that
aren't. I mean, I guess it just depends
on the event. Maybe if it's like a tiny
wedding or something like that, maybe you wouldn't or a place
you're completely comfortable with.
But if you're doing it at like avenue or a hall or somewhere
that's foreign and the whole thing, you know, it's it, it's

(43:59):
overwhelming. And, you know, for me, you know,
I definitely cried, you know, when my wife was coming, you
know, like you just, you know, you realize that that in that
moment, kind of what's going on.And yeah.
Mine was the night before. I was just like, I don't know, I
had a real anxiety hit me, 'cause I was like, it's all

(44:20):
real. We're doing the the rehearsal
and all this stuff is just like,'cause I didn't think about it.
I was like kind of just focused on getting there and then all of
a sudden it hit me like a wave. But the point I was making was
it was the best decision of my life, having a love for someone.

(44:40):
I never realized that when you get married, what happens You
you're with the same person, butit's like supercharging the
bond, the feel. I don't know how to even explain
it because I never, I I was like, oh, yeah, you just get
married. It's just because we, I was
talking to my wife before. I'm like, look, I'm committed to
you With the day we started dating.

(45:01):
I treat it like a marriage. I don't fool around.
You're the only person in my life my.
God, you're a completely different person.
If this was 10 years ago, this that, you'd already be divorced.
Well, you got to be in the rightstate of.
Mind, I know I'm joking around, but I'm not.
Yeah, yeah, well, no, I wasn't ready.
I I'm, I'm a real picky bastard too.

(45:24):
Like I've, I'm very, very picky about the people and the women
that I've I've been that I've had in my life.
And sometimes it was, well, every other one was a bad, was a
bad circumstance in one way or another.
But we don't have to go down there.
That's that's just you. You live and you learn and you,
you, you date people and you find out what you want.

(45:44):
That's the only that's the best way to do it, as you can see.
Yeah, you might have. Got it.
What you don't? Want, but we don't have to
discuss that here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got a little claw to the face.
I don't want that anymore. I don't want.
I might have gotten an iPhone smashed over your head, but
let's not talk about that should.
Have gotten. Should have got the stitches.
Should have got the stitches. No, but I was talking to the our

(46:08):
family, but the gardeners and I was just like, I don't know the
love and the feeling that I havethe bond like there's, it's,
there's nothing better for me than being married.
There's just something about it.I don't you can probably attest
to it too. Like I said, it's just another
level of love. I, I again, I, I don't really
know how to put it into words. It's just like the and then

(46:30):
going through this with our little, you know, baby, our
little puppy, not that it's, it's, it's a horrible thing, but
it's like it just, it's a bonding experience and this is
what builds the relationship to the next level.
Unfortunately, we're getting older and that's the that's

(46:50):
like, it's like. Well, yeah, I mean, we have
pets, but now we, I mean, you and I know people that people
that are dying that we grew up with that we know like, I mean,
it happens more frequently the older you get, obviously.
I mean, and given the mental health of a lot of people out
there, you know, with there's been kind of like a epidemic of

(47:13):
all of our, you know, close people in the Detroit area of
kind of people not doing well, you know?
Yeah, yeah, that's I wish I had.I guess I shouldn't say I wish I
had because I do have resources.Really it's the time.
But once I get set up a little bit better, I am going to give
back to the community because I really I, I that's another

(47:36):
calling the same thing took downtwo people in my life.
I need to, I need to figure out a way to give back or bring
shine light on the whole problem.
And it's all about figuring out what you how you can use your
tools. My gifts are filmmaking and
photography and stuff like that.Your gifts are learning
knowledge and then kind of getting people to think in a new

(47:58):
way and stuff like that. So it's like, how do you use
your gifts to better the human race?
And I think if people just focused on that, we would, we
would be better off because we all have some kind of gift.
And people just unfortunately, we're selfish about it 'cause
we, we, we, we do have to take care of ourselves.
We do have to make money. We got to take care of our

(48:18):
families. And in this day and age, given
technology, given where AI is going and follow your passion,
you are far more likely. I mean, if it's something
healthy, you are far more likelyto succeed at something you were
passionate about. Then you're not that, you know,
there's some weird things or youknow, things extracurricular

(48:41):
things that can be done outside of a job or something like that,
that you just, you know, there'sno market to make money doing
that. I understand that there's
certain hobbies and things like that, but for the most part, you
know, you can get creative and you can find ways to, you know,
capitalize on your God-given gifts, if that makes sense.

(49:04):
Or you're giving gifts, or you're abiogenesis given gifts.
You know, however you want to think about that.
Yeah, well, it's, we have, we dohave a time where you can turn
any kind of knowledge into monetary if that's what you're
what you're needing. And if I have children, that's

(49:26):
going to be my #1 focus is just to try and figure out what they
can do to contribute to the world.
But they're also happy about doing it.
That's the other thing that I really, it was the day that we
read the, the electric kool-aid acid tests in, in 11th grade or
whatever. And I've, I, I, I visualized
the, the rat race like, oh, I'm going to get a job so I can buy

(49:46):
a nice car so I can take that car to work so I can pay for the
car. It's like this whole circle
thing. And I don't want to do that.
So I've been a massive advocate of trying to find your job makes
up what like 80% of your life. So I don't want to have a job
that I fear or hate like I fear Monday that doesn't.
Make any look, it's a it's a catch 22 too, 'cause there's

(50:09):
there, you know, you do need money to live.
Money does make things easier. Money does, you know, it doesn't
cure or fix anything. I mean, how many super wealthy
people do we know that either have ended themselves or are
super unhappy? You know, like, it doesn't make
you, you know, but if it does help you, you know, and it, it

(50:30):
is a tool and it is how things work, unfortunately.
But yeah, like I said, if you can find a way to monetize your
passion, you know, that's a goodway to go, especially given the
future of where technology's going and stuff like that.
Maybe everybody will be their own content creator or show off

(50:53):
their skill or their love or their passion, or maybe not.
You know, maybe you don't need to, if your passion's hunting,
you know, or whatever, or if it's, you know, going out and
hiking, you know, you don't, youknow, you make those cool hiking
videos, but you don't even need to do that if you become
fulfilled just from doing that and can like live off the land

(51:13):
or live sustainably in a cool, cool zone on your own or
whatever, you know, whatever it is, you know, you just got to
find ways and be creative about it.
But yeah, I think that given thestate of technology and AI and
everything like that, I think it's it's people are better off
finding what makes them happy and what they're passionate
about than just trying to to getthrough the day or whatever.

(51:36):
I think you hit it right on the head with if you can find
everybody has their back, we're going back to Mr. Vibrations,
but everybody resonates higher when they're doing some kind of
activity. Maybe it's playing the guitar,
maybe it's hiking or something like that.
So it's like if you can get yourself into that place more
often, you're just going to resonate higher because you're

(51:58):
going to be in your element at ahigher, you know, clip.
So your frequency will be higherbecause you're in that state of
mind now. Can you?
I I feel more like I'm at churchwhen I'm in the woods and I
don't have to be like deep in the woods.
I can be hiking wherever, but I feel more connected to my

(52:21):
creator or the. Universal but.
Yeah, no, man, Yeah, I I just watched that with my wife and I
love it, but. True Detective season 1 classic.
It's unbelievable, but like I said, I that that's where I feel
connected. So I try and go hiking all the
time. And that was actually part of my
big transformation back in 2020.I, there's nothing else to do.

(52:45):
So I grabbed my camera and I went into the woods and I
literally, I put my phone down. I had a little like iPod thing.
I put some tunes on. I love myself some music, the
right music at the well, I'm hiking.
I got the right tune on. It's literally like I'm flying.
It's I'm like I, it is a drug. Music is a drug and I just kept

(53:06):
doing it over and over and over.I and, and, and I was in my
element over and over and over. And then I just because that
becomes my norm. That becomes my threshold.
Like if if you're rating yourself from A1 to 1010 being
you're just depressed and don't want to get out of bed and 10 is
your pure love, where do you sitin that on a day-to-day basis?

(53:27):
You know you're going to have loss in your life.
You're going to sink down. How long do you stay down there?
Do you rise up? Where are you on a normal
day-to-day basis? I this, this is my dream and I
have all these different channels and stuff like that.
But I would really, really love to make a channel that's based
on high vibe living and, and I have all these tips and tricks

(53:49):
and stuff like that. And again, maybe they work for
you, maybe they don't. Your baby Joel Osteen in the
making, Yeah. No, no, no, no.
No, no, I'm joking. I'm joking.
I'll be flying around on privatejets and shit, you know what I'm
saying? That's why I was saying you got
to check out Righteous. Jokes.
Yeah, I know. It's pretty funny.
But it's I think that that's what I want and that's what I

(54:10):
my, my passion in life is to treat people, is to show people
how to get high without the drugs did.
Salvador Dali really say that? He just said I don't take drugs,
I am the drugs or something likethat.
Maybe, maybe 'cause he was the one that was doing the sleeping
stuff right where he'd wake himself up.
Yeah, and I mean, if you look atall of his art, it looks very

(54:31):
psychedelic, like drippy LSD andtryptamine style stuff.
Yeah, he's incredible. That was another thing I just
did the recently as I went to the DIA, the Detroit Institute
of Arts and I love that stuff. I I went once when I was in
college, but when my my wife's family was in town in December,
I had to take her all. It was cool.

(54:52):
It was like a reminiscent of Detroit and what it has and it
dude, I love Detroit. There's so many cool things
going on down there, but I neverdo them We.
Just took my son to a concert onthat.
That Masonic temple's unbelievable.
Though Yeah dude, that I was talking.
With PD Newman about that, he said he knows like the owner and
stuff and there's a bar next door called the Acacia Bar.

(55:12):
That's sweet. I shot a wedding at the temple
and they had access to the wholetemple, Masonic temple.
We went into these rooms. It was incredible for film.
But like the bride, the, the photographer I was with was
like, here you sit on this, there's like an altar in the
middle of this massive room. She's like, come sit on this

(55:33):
altar thing. This girl's like, I don't know
if we should be doing this, but it was, it was intense, bro.
It was, it was, it was a trip, but there's so many random like
little rooms and it's cool. Again, there's a lot of
speculation on what was going onin there.
I know you're more towards the, the, the up and the up.
You know, you think it, you don't know, you don't dive too
much into the, the craziness that surrounds some of that

(55:55):
stuff, but it's, it's interesting to be in there.
I'll tell you that. I've just look over the years, I
just keep beating this. But like epistemology, theory of
knowledge, where does this information come from?
If it comes from another person,then where did they get that
information? If it came from a book, then who
wrote that? You know, like you just follow
that causal line all the way back and you start to, to peel

(56:18):
back some of the layers of that onion and get at the truth of
what's going on. And I, I, I, for a time, I did
feel very cynical. I'm like, what's wrong with me?
Why am I so like pessimistic andskeptical?
And, but I've learned to just embrace it.
And that's how you find true mystery, in my opinion, is
you're willing to entertain things that you don't even like.

(56:40):
You know what I'm saying? Like the idea that nothing
happens when you die. Nobody wants to hear that,
right? I mean, unless your life's just
complete hell, I guess, or something like that.
But for the most part, we all want to believe there's a next
level or dimension or heaven or whatever it is.
So to entertain the idea that there might not be anything

(57:02):
else, a lot of people don't likethat.
But you have to like almost likea Descartes doubting session.
You kind of have to put yourselfthrough that to kind of arrive
at what you really believe aboutthings.
And that being said, we have a new segment, first of its kind.

(57:36):
Welcome to Mike's mind melters. Are you ready, Maurice, to get
to get melted? All right.
First question, going forward, if I do interview people, even
though they will be edited, thiswill be a new segment called
Mind Mike's Mind Melters. There are four questions.
I will ask the same 4 questions to everybody unless I've had

(57:58):
somebody on before and then we'll see from there.
But first question, what is something you believe in that
you know is probably wrong or illogical but are just not being
honest with yourself? Oh man, that is a doozy.

(58:23):
This is a This is a tough segment because these things.
So what is? Can you repeat the question?
I can repeat the question, what is something you believe in that
you know is probably wrong or illogical, but you are just not
being honest with yourself? Jesus, not Jesus, but.

(58:44):
Would you like to phone a friendJesus?
I, I, I would, I mean this, I that my, my head is melted, my
mind has been melted. What is something that I know
that is true, but I don't believe it?
What's something that you go along with that you believe, but

(59:06):
you know deep down it may be wrong or illogical or that
you're just believing to believe?
Well, here we go. I, I'm a big moon man, so I
don't know a lot of the stuff that they say about the moon.

(59:27):
I don't, I don't like that. I, I, I, I go along with that
stuff. But the more you research it,
the more you get into it. That's one of the bigger
mysteries that I really like because the stuff about like all
the craters are all the same depth and stuff like that.
Again, I'm not like some scientist.
I don't know if, if, if, if that's a full fact.
I. Don't think people think you're
scientists. Go on.

(59:47):
All right, yeah. So the, the, the first thing
that comes to my mind is the moon.
The moon. I I I don't want to say that we
didn't land on the moon, but a lot of that footage is pretty,
pretty hokey. What I think may have happened
is they actually landed but lost.
The footage and then they had tokind of repurpose it.
That would be something that would kind of make sense to me.

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But I don't really understand why we don't go in there.
Why weren't, why were, why are we going back there?
Why aren't we, you know, doing research?
Do we know what what's going on up there?
Because it doesn't seem like it,really.
Acts yeah, they're mining stuff.There's polar ice caps and
minerals and stuff that they're,you know, China's landed on the

(01:00:30):
dark side of the moon not that long ago.
They've had. Yeah.
How well they've they've been eating aspect.
In terms, in terms of in terms of like stuff that's going on,
yeah, I mean, we definitely sendRovers and like can seize
things. It would be interesting to see

(01:00:53):
if they're ever going to try andsend people back there because I
think that that would, given ourtechnology now from where we
were, we should be able to come up with a lot more interesting
data, photographs. They're very interested in
going. Back I mean, I I I'm all for
sudden Katy Perry out there. She can she can sing and dance

(01:01:15):
on the moon. That's that's the next video.
But the moon is is one thing that I kind of go along with
sometimes. You don't want to bring that up
at a party. People might look at you a
little cross eyed, but when you really break it down, we don't
know a damn thing. So yeah, we went from 7 live
viewers to six. It's not.
That Oh my God, this is the moonguy dude.

(01:01:41):
They've definitely, they've definitely slapped one of those
things on there too, one of those article links.
But OK, so I'll accept that. That's, that's not a bad one.
It's a hard question I wouldn't have got knowing you, I wouldn't
have guessed that as the thing, but I accept it.

(01:02:03):
All right #2 Do you think there is an objective purpose for
humanity? And if So, what?
No, that's that that this is a lot of it.
This is way easier than the other one.
I think that I think that we're all alive right now for a reason

(01:02:23):
and it's a very special reason. I think that I see I I come at
it more from AI guess religious way, cuz it's for lack of a
better word, but it's more of AIII 100% agree or I 100%
believe that humanity. This is like it's like a

(01:02:47):
learning experience. The only way I can really kind
of phrase this is see, I'm from Detroit.
So I feel like anyone that's coming from Earth, we have when
we move on to the next phase of our our life or our existence or
whatever, we're going to have more clout.
Earth is the Detroit of the Galaxy or the universe.

(01:03:09):
We're placed on this this, this planet.
Well, we're making the spaceships here.
What's going on? We're placed that we're our, our
spirits are are placed on this planet.
Oh, so this is like a like a, a soul's nursery, is what you're
saying? Or something along those lines.
Yeah, again, I I really subscribe to the the I think

(01:03:30):
they're theories from the Book of the Dead or whatever, but you
have a purpose and you have to fulfill your objective or you're
sent back. Now, does that mean you're sent
back into a human or something or to a whole nother place?
I have no idea. But I know that you're you have,
you have to to learn something. I remember we were kind of
talking and I don't know what weread it on, but it it said that

(01:03:52):
to, to take yourself to the nextlevel, you have to become a
parent. Do you remember that at all?
I don't know what that that thatsounds like something
interesting. I don't know what that's from
though. But it does make kind of sense
because it's like you have to put yourself in the Creator's.
Yeah, but what about people thatare like born that just like
can't have kids or something or choose not to?

(01:04:13):
Do they come back? Yeah, I understand.
Or just like reincarnate or something?
No, I'm again, I don't know if I've 100% subscribed to that
what I'm just saying, but I'm saying we all have some kind of
task to accomplish and if we don't accomplish it, then we
have to do it again. Do.

(01:04:33):
You think it's like a simulationlike that though?
Like a video, Almost like a video game where if you don't
complete the correct checkpointsor objectives you can do it kind
of a thing. If that if that helps you.
Kind of is an analogy. I'm not saying that life is a
video game. Right, right, right.
Well, it kind of is. There's rules and stuff like
that. Yeah, I, I got it.
It is a good analogy. That's that's what why people,

(01:04:56):
they always have a problem with like, oh, well, why, why doesn't
this work? Or, you know, I prayed like for,
for our dog, for instance, I prayed my ass off.
But in the in the end, when she passed, I was, I, I was upset, I
cursed God. And then I and then a couple
days went by and I was, I felt bad because look, I don't know

(01:05:16):
what would have happened if she would have survived that she
might have had all these. Complications.
You're going to get panned at some point for cursing, I'll
tell you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like, like I said, like I don't I, who am I to question
what the what the, what the pathwas?
Like I said, she might have survived it, but might have not
been the same. She might have had all these
health issues. We don't know.

(01:05:37):
That's The thing is why am I questioning something?
I'm a I'm a peon to this guy. OK, so so your answer is to
complete some sort of fulfill, something you either haven't
fulfilled before or need to fulfill to move on.
Absolutely, absolutely #3 OK, goon.
No, no, go on, go on. You can add.
You can add. Well, I, I did, I did.

(01:05:59):
I did want to preface, I or not preface.
I did want to like emphasize thefact that like we there, this is
a special time to be alive. And I think that people take it
for they a lot of people are like, why am I alive in this
time? This is horrible.
This is horrible, but it's like you're alive right now for a
reason and there's something coming.
People that say that obviously don't know history 'cause this

(01:06:21):
is the best time to be alive. I mean, you could say you're
unfortunate if you're born in certain places or certain
status, whatever, but like for the most part, for the most
human beings that are alive right now, that's more than it's
ever lived. The way that their living is
better than they live. 200300400I mean even the golden

(01:06:43):
ages of the ancient times were not that golden.
People are still getting messed up pretty bad.
So I just think of the what's the movie The bring out You
dead? OK #3 What do you think happens
when we die? Oh, I, you know, I have this

(01:07:04):
thing written down. This is the first chapter of my
book. So I believe that.
All right, we have that. We have DMT built up in our
systems. We build it up our whole lives.
When you die, the best way to explain it is when you have a
dream and you're let you, let's say you fall asleep, you wake up

(01:07:25):
and you fall back asleep and youwake up again.
You're like, Oh my God, I was, I, I fell asleep for like 3
hours, but it was like 5 minutes, right?
It feels like you were sleeping for a long, long time, but
really. And in your dream you were alive
for that long again. But I don't want to go very
simple. When you die, your body releases

(01:07:46):
DMT. And the DMT is a connection.
It's a bridge from this realm, dimension, whatever you want to
call it to the next and something that people I don't, I
don't even know if I can fully grasp it, but time doesn't exist
like to God or to the universe, however you want to say it, time

(01:08:07):
doesn't exist to them. So when they say your loved ones
are waiting for you, they're they're not really waiting for
you because when they pass, you're with them immediately
because time doesn't exist. Does that make sense?
Like it's long for. Us, I mean, I understand what
you're saying. I don't think it makes sense.
No, but you've talked, you know,we've, I think what was it the

(01:08:30):
episode the second time we had Rick Strassmann on to interview
him and you guys were talking about like film and all that
kind of stuff. I think you you were both
riffing on that idea too, like dying and DMT and what happens.
And obviously it's been a subject of many episodes that

(01:08:51):
we've done and stuff, so. That's where that's where I
would take it. So even when when you people
have had near death experiences and stuff like that, like you're
in that kind of that realm, thatinfinite time realm, which there
is no time, it's just Infinity or whatever.
You're in that for a time and then you get sucked back into

(01:09:14):
the reality where time exists and things like that.
But yeah, I truly think that there's something to do with DMT
'cause I think that that's essentially dreams.
You're getting a very light doseof it when you're when you're
dreaming, you're getting very, very little amount.
But when you pass, it all is released.

(01:09:35):
And like I said, it's almost like a bridge.
So you ride that bridge and maybe you do end up you, you can
never go away because you're stuck in that infinite time.
Your body and everything here will decompose and and go away.
But the fact that you're riding that DMT rainbow into Infinity,

(01:09:59):
that's that's what I really think happens.
And maybe. That's what you think happens.
OK, now for the final question. We're going to it's going to
always end up a little bit upbeat because those can go a
little dark, the early ones. What do you I?
Want to watch these and see whatthese other people say.
Now this is my favorite. Psych What do you hope happens
when we die? You told me what you think

(01:10:22):
happens now. What do you hope happens when we
die? I hope that we are all that's
back to the True Detective. Man, I love the last episode
when Rust, he goes into a coma and he comes out of it and it's
a very subtle thing that a lot of people don't pick up on that

(01:10:44):
show. The one detective is he's so
negative the entire show. He's his daughter was killed.
He hates life. It really propels him to be a
good detective, but he's just not happy.
He's very, you know, like I said, he's very pessimistic.
And at the very end he's talkingabout he was in this coma and he

(01:11:05):
was with his daughter, and they just kind of fade out together.
And then the other guy, Woody Harrelson's like, Oh yeah, look
at the stars. It looks like there's a lot of
darkness. It looks like the darkness is
winning. And then Matthew McConaughey is
like, well, in the beginning everything was dark.
And now look at it. It's almost like the light is
winning. And it's the first time the guy

(01:11:26):
ever says anything positive. I the writing is phenomenal,
Like that little section of the show is so good, but to me it's
like, I hope that you pass, you get into the, you get on that DM
tree, the DMT bridge, and then you kind of are.
Given me that DM tree. That's what I'm looking for.

(01:11:48):
It's a new. It's a new strain dude.
It's it's bud. But you, you fucking catapult
you like DMT? And you just have you.
I think you just, I hope that you get joined up with all your
loved ones and whether it's actual forms hanging out and
conversing or it's just an energy ball and you're just with
these people and you just kind of fade out into Infinity

(01:12:10):
together. I would hope that you are
rejoined with everything and anything that you've ever loved.
That would be my I. I hope that's what happens.
You know, the crazy thing is, isit's probably nothing that our
brain is even capable of comprehending because a lot of
the stuff like the stuff that I'm talking about with the DMT,

(01:12:31):
it's all based in science. But how can you?
What did you eat? A sausage and Peppers for
dinner. What's going on?
Yeah. No, I got this guy.
Got some real Heartbird? I just saw this.
Cool. And a Polish sausage and some
some green Peppers. Yeah.
Can you smell this through the mic?

(01:12:52):
Smell the glove. But if it is like a video game,
we don't know 'cause we're programmed to not understand the
programming, I guess. Well, that's, that's the thing
about consciousness, consciousness, right?
Like I, I mean, I've heard this argument, I've even made it
myself. Like is it even possible to
understand consciousness withoutbeing outside of Like we can't

(01:13:16):
get out of our own. We can get close, like if you do
psychedelics or whatever, but. We can do.
Near death experiences yeah exactly.
But like to to really understandconsciousness, something else
would need to study us. You know maybe AI can do it in
the future. I mean, who knows but.
Yeah, I I kind of equate it to like, oh, when we see when when

(01:13:36):
we think of aliens, we think of organisms like us, but we have
no idea what they could be. They could be microscopic, they
could be liquid, they could be. We don't know.
So for us to even comprehend, I love the analogy of the video
game. It's like you can't think of the
guy who created this or the entity that's created this thing
because you can't even get outside the game.

(01:13:58):
But the reason I. Think about even like gut
bacteria, dude. Like some gut bacteria makes you
want to eat sugar, you know? Like something's compelling you
to do something that's tiny and microscopic, that lives in your
body, you know? Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
I so that that's what I would like to happen is I get rejoined

(01:14:18):
with all our loved ones and stuff like that.
But the fact of the matter is, is we can't If if, if humans
ever were to crack the great mystery of either, yes, there is
a place to go when you die or no, there isn't.
It wouldn't it, it, it's, it's not, you can't have it.

(01:14:41):
You can't know if you're going to die or not.
Because if you did, the rules ofthe game would be shattered.
Like if you knew there was a heaven, people would just jump
off buildings and shit. They'd, they wouldn't care.
Or maybe they would because theywould be afraid of where they
would go. But it's like if you knew that
you would get a retry or something like that.
Like the fact that we don't know.
Again, like a video game, you get respond or.

(01:15:02):
Right, right. But like I said, the fact that
we don't know keeps us in check.That's why it's important
because people are like, well, if there's a God or whatever,
why can't we know that he's there?
And that's the whole point is you can't know because if you
did know, it wouldn't there wouldn't.
Well, and it. Wouldn't make any.
To the analogy of the video gamethough, I think it makes a lot
of sense because we're either projecting our own psyches of

(01:15:25):
like either what we want to happen or what we are on a video
game or it's what we think it isgoing on kind of a thing, right?
Because you know, you want to come back or you know respawn or
you want to keep going on after the mission's completed and move
on to something else or join up with other people or, you know,

(01:15:46):
just the whole idea of it now. I mean, maybe not when we were
playing Pong or. Yeah, that's poop.
You know, Donkey Kong or whatever.
But, well, the country. You know Donkey Kong Country
transcends time and space. At least the music.
What do? Is there more questions?
Or is it that is? That that was the four.
You answered them all beautiful.And we'll do it one more time,

(01:16:09):
just for the hell of it. There we go.
Did you write that music? I did.

(01:16:29):
I wrote the music and the visuals.
I that's awesome. I haven't.
For anybody that doesn't know, Ido all the music for our
podcast. I enjoy it.
I enjoy it thoroughly. Yeah, and Maurice does music
too. If you've never checked it out,
go check it out. Dogo DO e.g?
Wow dude, it's it's been already76 minutes.

(01:16:49):
That's crazy. It's.
Way past your bedtime, you got to go meditate to pan.
Yeah, again, I'd love everyone to check out our Spanish Lounge.
There's a link in the bio it it'll take you to the YouTube
channel. If you guys wouldn't mind
popping over there just giving us a subscribe.
And then if you're actually interested in learning Spanish,

(01:17:12):
there's a link to our waiting list and very fun atmosphere.
What is it? Is it like a?
Is it? Is it like a course?
Is it just content? Is it?
So it's, it's it's it's it's kind of a, a both It's 2 live.
But is it like one on when you say waiting list?
Is it like a one-on-one type scenario?

(01:17:32):
No, you can. You can upgrade to waiting list.
Everything is kind of in the, inthe world of like you're at a
nightclub kind of thing. So we do these twice a week.
They're happy hours and there's a curriculum the 2 girls have
like a, you know, a curriculum for the day, whether it's we're
going to learn about this letters or, or numbers, It's

(01:17:54):
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system, we get to, we, we talk to you and figure out if you're
a beginner, intermediate or, or expert.
And then that's going to determine what kind of happy
hour you're going to have. Then we group you with other
people. So like I'm a beginner, I would
be in the the beginner section and you learn about the alphabet
and numbers and things like that.

(01:18:15):
But if you're more advanced, it's really just very immersive
conversations where you're, you're just talking to the 2
girls kind of thing. They have, like I said, they
have like a curriculum. We're going to talk about going
to the gym today or something like you're interested in for
you. It's like we're going to talk
about guitars. So everything's in Spanish
you're talking? About and languages.
I mean, I was very good at Spanish when I was younger.

(01:18:37):
It was in all the advanced in APclasses and stuff.
But you lose the conjugations and stuff if you don't use it.
You know, kind of like that old adage, if you don't use it, you
lose it. I remember my wife learned
Italian during the pandemic and now she she couldn't tell you
anything. We were watching Stanley Tucci

(01:18:58):
in Italy and she she didn't knowwhat was going on when they were
speaking Italian. So there's.
There's actually a lot of commonalities between Italian
and in Spanish, but I didn't know you took Spanish.
Yeah, it's the the whole thing about any language is it's,
that's why the immersion technique works so good.
So like, we're generating this artificial atmosphere where you
don't have to go to Spain, you don't have to go to Ecuador, you

(01:19:20):
don't have to go to Mexico to beimmersed in the language.
You're going to sit in these happy hours and you get to talk
with real native girls that are going to kind of help you along.
So it's, it's a cause. The other thing that people get
worried about is like, I don't want to talk to, to natives and,
and make mistakes and look like an idiot.
It's like this is a no judgementzone.
You get to talk to the girls. They're going to help you with,

(01:19:43):
like you said, like your pronunciation or your, you know,
the verbs and things like that. And there's it's.
It hurts my mind. I mean, I'm going to make a spin
off show like Mystery Science Theater where I watched that
happening and it's my hand shadow in the background.
I just start. Laughing amazing you look at
this idiot. I mean, I would be the worst one
there. And I'm married to to a Latin

(01:20:03):
woman. So it's like, but when I was in
Ecuador for 10 days, like you just start picking up on things
because you're, you have no other option.
You're surrounded by it. So yes, the course is built
around these two times a week. You get these happy hours, but
there's other curriculum, there's other stuff that we
provide there's like worksheets and things like that.
And there's a full community where everybody gets the kind of

(01:20:24):
talk and hang out, and it's almost like our own, like
little. Discord built into the the
program, so when you sign up, you get access to all that stuff
and we send you different, like I said, PDFs and little videos
that help you along and kind of help you get prepared for each
happy hour. But the whole point is to get
into these happy hours and immerse yourself in the language

(01:20:45):
and try not to talk English or whatever, but it's really based
on your skill level. The more expert, the more it's
like there's not going to be much English talk going on here
because you're in the expert level, like you want to be in
it. And then when you go down,
obviously the beginners, they have to have some English
explanations and stuff like that.
But that's really where the girls shine as they're both

(01:21:07):
fluid in in English. So it's like a lot of these
people get these instructors andteachers and stuff like that and
you can't even understand what they're saying because their
accents are so thick. You know, one of our customers
is like, yeah, I took AI took lessons from a, a, a lady from
Spain, but I didn't even I couldn't understand what she was
saying because she was so she was a Spaniard.

(01:21:29):
But these girls are, you know, they were, they were flight
attendants and stuff for a while.
So they've built a really good English vocabulary.
They're they're pretty. I mean, my wife is straight
fluid in English. Like you can just talk to her
in. English.
Yeah. No.
Paula. Yeah.
It's she. She knows there's not.
I don't think there's anything I've ever said where she didn't
understand what I was saying. Right, Totally, totally.

(01:21:50):
So so that's it. I would really appreciate
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can maybe do. It again, yeah, full circle.
I mean, we started 2017 around Christmas time and.
Crazy. Yeah, here we are.

(01:22:11):
And like I said, go check out the Spanish Lounge if you will,
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Yes, Sir, we're on everything. Go check out the YouTube
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(01:22:32):
YouTube. Yeah.
There's a link in the. In the I'll I'll I'll pin it
when you put it in there. Yeah, maybe you guys could brush
up on your Spanish and then go down and and meet Maria.
Sabina's nice. Go see some coaxial collateral.
I was telling Paulo all about that today.

(01:22:55):
Yeah, yeah, No, I'd like to talkto her about like the like
Mesoamerican metaphysics and stuff like that.
Yeah, they do a lot of the ayahuasca stuff because, again,
they have the Amazon there, so it's like super heavy.
She doesn't know anything about drugs or anything, but she knew
about ayahuasca and stuff, so it's pretty cool.

(01:23:20):
Nice. And again, if you haven't
checked it out already, my otherpassion project I've been
working on, which I've been spending a lot of my time on is
called Masters of Rhetoric. It's a philosophy podcast slash
course where it looks at the theroots of philosophy.
It's almost like a history of philosophy slash learning the

(01:23:43):
basics of what the earliest philosophers knew and building
off of that. I have the links down below and
I have episodes one through 5 full episodes.
I'm working on the next 5. I just have to record them.
There's slideshow episodes and there's lots of material and I
made shorts, so there's like a ton of shorts on there.

(01:24:05):
So if you want to look at stuff from Plato, Aristotle, Socrates,
the Soffice, whatever, all that stuff's on there.
And I'll be spending a lot of time on that as well.
So this is the bridge. This is the end of mine to
escape 11 point O. But again, I'll be continuing my
escape is new Telos, where I will be looking at more of

(01:24:29):
things from a critical eye and looking at the epistemology of
these topics. How do we know what we know on
these things? And I'm not going to try and
like debunk. I'm not going to come out
swinging at anybody or, you know, coming at any any other
people in these spaces. I'm just going to put the
information out there. So is where I've in the past

(01:24:52):
maybe done been critical of other people in these spaces or
whatever. I'm not going to do that anyway.
I don't care. I'm just going to put the
information out there and let people figure it out for
themselves. I'm not here to change anybody's
mind in that regard. The second you start going after
people's characters, the the dividing line sets in and nobody
learns anything. So.
Well, if you want to, you can come at me if you need to

(01:25:14):
exercise that that anger. Yeah, I'm always here for.
You no, no, but it's not again, it's not even, it's not even
about that. I've come to the point now where
it's just like, I feel like people, you know, that argue on
some of these topics, they don'tknow what's out there already.
You know, they don't either havethe time.
They don't know that there's this kind of information out

(01:25:34):
there. And I've spent the time, you
know, I spent the last eight years reading as many fringe
books. I've read academic books, fringe
books, everything in between to,to get a good idea of where this
line of, you know, reality and metaphysics is.
And coming in, I kind of had hada feeling of more, maybe there's
more magic. But through the process, I've

(01:25:57):
learned we are the magic. You can keep searching for
things externally, but we are this living, breathing magic for
real. Like you don't need to go find
aliens because we are aliens. You know what I'm saying?
Like we are this, this weird thing that exists right here,
right now. You don't need to go searching
for it. So let's learn more about us and

(01:26:18):
where we come from. And that's kind of what I'm
looking to do, if that makes sense.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
And again, being super critical of like I've tore myself down
and given myself a complete selfappraisal like entertaining the
most nihilistic thoughts to the most believer thoughts and

(01:26:41):
everything in between. So, you know, I'm very aware of
my cognitive biases in my own flaws and blind spots and things
like that. And if I'm wrong about
something, I try to admit it, you know, or, you know, own up
to it, fix it, whatever. And the same thing in terms of,

(01:27:02):
you know, all these topics. You know, I think if people were
just more honest, like, you know, I like aliens, but I
really want to know what happenswhen we die.
That's why I'm in aliens. Maybe if we find out there's
aliens, maybe they'll be able totell us what happens kind of a
thing, you know, if that makes sense.
I'm sure, I'm sure we're going to have some crazy insight over
the next couple of years. So yeah, we got to, we got to

(01:27:26):
keep talking, we got to keep exploring and we got to just
keep learning and and not tryingto stick to some some thought
process when everything is changing and always changing.
And you know, the other thing too is that, you know, there's
been a huge movement for for like anti science.
And I think science is how we got here.

(01:27:49):
So it's like, why are we Pooh poohing the thing that, you
know, got us to the dance, if you will?
That doesn't mean they can't speculate.
It doesn't mean you can't look at metaphysics or anything like
that. But let's not deny the thing
that has changed our lives forever, everybody.
And if you, you know so, yeah. Let's beautiful statement.

(01:28:09):
Let's end on that bad boy. Let's end on that.
Thank you so much again, my my bro Maurice for the last eight
years and again, we've made the documentary as within so without
from UFOs to DMT. You can go check that out on our
YouTube channel as well. Maurice did a lot of work on
that, editing and filming and everything like that.

(01:28:31):
And shout out to everybody we'vehad on as a guest from the
people in our documentary, Chrisand Shane and Toby and and
Doctor Andrew Gallimore and RickStrassman and Greg Little and
just anybody that we've crossed paths with and PD Newman and all
these wonderful people and friends of the show.
And there's so many people. And if you're interested, again,

(01:28:53):
the 1st 325 episodes or 300 whatever are archived, they're
on our Patreon. You can go check it out $2.00 a
month. But yeah, we're, I'm going to
start making new content here and I'll still do interviews,
I'm sure and intertwine them into episodes and stuff like
that. So look for that, but this was

(01:29:16):
probably the last live one for the foreseeable future.
And what a way to end it with Maurice's first real paranormal
pan experience. There it is, pan to man.
We're just going to title this one hook.
Yeah, you got to click on it to figure it out.
It's me on the head of Rosie to the.
Blues Traveller, we're getting this episode taken down.

(01:29:39):
There you go. But no, thank you so much to
everybody who helped make the show possible, from being a
guest to writing books for us toread and podcast to share and
all the wonderful stuff. And we'll end this one the same
way we end all the episodes thatwe ever have done, which is we
love everybody. Stay safe out there, and we'll

(01:30:00):
catch you next time. Peace.
Peace.

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