November 28, 2023 • 53 mins
Everyone has little giveaways that may reveal their personality types. Recognizing different personality types can help you influence, improve relationships, and communicate more effectively.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
In this episode, we're going to be talking about how
to identify other people's personality types.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And this is a.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Skill you should use carefully and judiciously, as you'll see,
but once you get to know your own Myers Briggs type,
it's something that can help you to communicate more effectively
with others just by a few simple observations. Mark and
I are going to break it down for you and
bring you a more thorough understanding of the tool. So
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sit back and enjoy. Welcome to the New Myers Briggs
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Question Corner. I'm Edith Ritch and I'm Mark Mappy, and
we're here to answer your questions about all things personality
and all things Myers Briggs.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
From college to careers to relationships. Personality is the key
to finding the right fit.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hi everyone, and Hi Mark. We've got a really good
discussion today about identifying other people's Myers Briggs types. And
once people get a general understanding of the MBTI, it's
natural to become curious about their friends and families types.
So we're going to get into if and how we
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should go about identifying someone else's type. And I'm really
excited to talk about this and if.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm really looking forward to this episode. You know, how
do we identify other people's personalities? I know there's a
lot of resources people can use to determine their own personality,
but can I really identify another's personality just by observing
them and looking at them? You know, I don't know,
but it'd be wild if we can possibly do that.
If I can just see somebody and just know, oh boy,
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that's an extrovert, Oh boy, that's a sensor, it'd be
awesome to be able to do so. This would be
a great opportunity for us to talk about that. And
as a MBTI Master practitioner, just wanted to ask you,
is it possible to identify other people's personality just by
observing them?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's a tough question. But let me say this.
It's impossible to determine someone else's what we call true
type just by observing them, unless, of course, they've verified
it for themselves. And what we're talking about here is
called type casting. This is making assumptions on what other
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people's personality types are. And I'll just say that everyone
who has a certain level of expertise with the Myers
Briggs does this. We sort of make these parlor games
out of what the MBTI is and what different people's
types are and try to figure out what personality types
various people are. But here's the deal, we shouldn't assume
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that we get it right. There's so much more that
goes into someone's personality than the Myers Briggs measures, And
a lot of the time, people like myself, and I'm
going to include myself when I say this, we are
first only going by observation. We don't always know if
someone is behaving a certain way because they've learned to
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do so for whatever reason. So quick example, they may
show up as being very talkative and outward focused and
interacting with a lot of people, so we may assume
this person is an extrovert, when in fact, this person
is an introvert who has honed his or her extroversion
and Mark, You've talked about doing this yourself so much
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so that a lot of people assume, wrongly so that
you're an extrovert.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, it happens to me all the time. Everybody always
mistakes me for an extrovert when I'm like a really
really deep introvert. So I understand what you're saying about,
you know, kind of faking in and honing your scale
on something that might be different. I get that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, And the other danger with typecasting is our own
confirmation bias. We may assume, for whatever reason, that the
reason someone is behaving a certain way is because of
their personality. But we've already mentioned that personality isn't one nice,
neat package that's easily measured. But we're human and that's
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what we do. We make judgments based on our own
set of beliefs, so we really have to be careful.
Just because someone is aloof and uncooperative, for example, doesn't
mean that they're an introverted type or a thinking type
or whatever. The only way to accurately know what someone's
Meyers Briggs type is is for them to verify it themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, that's true, and so like you're kind of saying
that by observing and examining somebody's behavior, we may be
able to identify their preference, but we should be careful in.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Our assessment, right, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, that makes sense. You know, that's kind of kind
of reminds me a little bit, like, you know, if
I might see an individual and I'll mentioned this a
couple times for myself I might see an individual multiple
times at Denny's. We might make eye contact. We're both
working on something. I might be on the computer, you know,
they might be reading on their own. I could probably
bet their preference as an introvert. But I can't say
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definitively that's the case, but I could probably guess that
that might be what their preference might be.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Maybe. But with that said, I don't know a lot
of extroverts who go into a restaurant by themselves multiple
times to work on their computers. Again, who knows without
talking to them and having them verify that for themselves.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
No question. I mean, we do love your ability and
giving you the power to observe people, but it doesn't
stop you from getting to know people. Like. Getting to
know people is the key in order to figure out
people's type, not necessarily just looking at and observing people.
And I'm glad you really mentioned that. I think that's
awesome that you mentioned that.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, it's something we've just we've got to be careful of.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, So I'm ready. I'm ready for this. Why don't
we do this? Why don't we take a deep dive
into the four preference categories to give our audience a
thorough understanding of each preference type so they can identify
their friends, spouses, moms, dads, bosses, personality types. I think
that could be really cool to give our audience the
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superpower being able to identify person typings a little bit.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, let's do it. Quick review would be great, and
I'm going to mention some behaviors or characteristics to be
on the lookout for if you do want to try
to type someone.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I think you know, since we've spoken,
I've been able to observe people, and this is people
that I know, right, So, Like it's great to be
able to know an individual have their behaviors, verify that
for you, right, So, Like it's good to be able
to observe the behavior and go, yeah, I knew that
person was an extrovert. I've had conversations, but now that
I'm observing their behaviors, it's almost like it verifies to
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them that they're an extrovert or their judger, because I
see them, they got their planners out, they've got their
to do list on, Like that verify that that person
is a judger. So I love our ability to talk
about behaviors and to do that, so let's start with
our first one. Let's talk about the preference of introversion
and extraversion. What kind of behaviors do individuals in each
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group dis way?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, this is probably the easiest one of the four
dichotomies to observe. So let's start with extroverts. So they
do their thinking while they're talking, so it's like a
talk think talk, and this is an easy way to
spot an extroverted type. They may read through an email
out loud, for example, or they may comment on it
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not to any other person, but to themselves, so they're
not necessarily talking to anyone, but they're solving their problems
by talking things out loud.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And they do like.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
To talk to others too, of course. Thinking out loud
and verbalizing it is how they process and reflect on
their thoughts. They like to be around a lot of
different types of people, and this is very common for
extroverted types. They have a lot of diversity in their
friend groups, so they're often seen as approachable. Since they
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enjoy inner acting with others, they tend to be more
open to communicating with strangers. They may get bored if
they're alone. They may also enjoy hosting social gatherings. They
may interact a lot on social media, and they may
pay attention to this one In emails. Do they use
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a lot of exclamation points? Not just a couple, but regularly.
That's my cue that this person might be an extroverted type.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
That's funny. I really haven't even put a lot of
thought in that, but I definitely don't use exclamation points
in my emails. So that's maybe reason why I might
be an introvert.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, that's something that more extroverts than introverts tend to do.
So I pay attention to that a lot because I
get a lot of emails and I use that in
work a lot, So that's something I pay attention to.
But okay, here's some signs someone may be an introverted type.
People may think that introverts are always quiet, but this
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isn't always the case, and context is key here. Introverted
types tend to be quite chatty in situations where they
feel comfortable or with issues that they're passionate about. They
are still reflective and observant, and they do tend to
think before speaking. This is why introverted types may pause
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or even freeze if they're called upon suddenly in like
a meeting or in class. Yeah, they're more comfortable in
one on one settings or in smaller groups than large groups.
They forge strong connections with people and prefer talking in
depth on subjects that interest them rather than having, you know,
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that small talk conversation in large groups or with a
bunch of strangers. So another way to spot an introverted
type is to watch what seems to exhaust them. Intuted
types tend to get drained from a lot of social
interaction and they need quiet time to recharge. But it's
important to note that many introverts will display more extroverted
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qualities when they feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, no question about that. It's almost like when they
feel comfortable, they may display extroverted personality behavior. Right, So
I think that's that's really good. And you know, one
of the things I want to do real quick edit,
and I think you did a wonderful job in presenting
the behaviors. And one of the things that I am
as far as my personality type, as far as an
intuitive I always like to kind of create like a
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level of conclusions to what I think this is all about,
because it helps me kind of move on from it
once I've figured it out, right, And so I'm going
to just present a couple of things that I feel
like concludes, like some conclusions to each particular preference type,
and then you, as an MBATI, you know, massive practitioner,
just help like, because I'm trying to get to still
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figure this out. Kind of walk me through that, and
you know, if you don't think it's the right thing,
let me know, let me know. But I'm trying to
kind of still figure it out. So one of the
things that I see with extroverts is that they like
a breath of experiences. They like to experience a lot,
like many experiences energize them, and introverts the depth of
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experiences their ability to process things is kind of where
they gain energy from.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
What you think about that, yep, yep. Definitely with extroverts
it's more about breadth. With introverts, it's more about depth.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. And I think that's I think that's where I struggle, right,
Like I struggle with the idea where when I get
too many experiences, it makes it hard for me to
process it. So I get very very tired, and sometimes
it makes me want to leave. And that's why I
do leave, is because I do want to process it.
And when I'm getting information points from all over the place,
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it just becomes overwhelming. Yeah, I could definitely see that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And for me, like if I have too much depth,
it kind of becomes boring, so I want to move
on to a different topic.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It kind of reminds me of every conversation I have
with everybody. When I talk to people, I say, hey,
do you want to put on your your scuba gear, like,
because I'm going to get deep with this thing, and
most people are like, no, I'm good, I'm good to
stay here. So I can definitely see that. But then
maybe that's the way I can determine if I'm talking
to a to a extrovert. All right, So here's another one.
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Extroverts work like a scanner. They're constantly scanning their environment.
Introverts are like vacuums, pulling things up and processing them
as they encounter them. Would that be a good little analogy.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm trying to think here, So extroverts is like scanning
their environment. I mean, I don't know. I can't speak
for the other extroverts, but for myself, Yeah, that's that's
somewhat true because I'm kind of, at least for me,
I'm looking for the next new experience.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I guess yeah, it's almost kind of like, well, you know,
like those scanner type things at the beach, like when
you kind of like go around and scanning for like
go and it's like going all over the place beeping
a little bit, like like that's kind of what I
You're not like an actual like like pretty scare, but
like an actual like like just scanning different things, like
at the grocery store, when you're just scanning different items throughout.
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Like sometimes I feel like that's kind of like her
are extroverts with that, because I think they're always trying
to seek an experience, right, and so I always trying
to seek out new experiences and that kind of charges
them up. And I think that the introverts, I would say,
just from a conclusion, they're always processing and trying to
understand things in general, Like that's kind of like what
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energizes them.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Mm hmmm, Yep, I can totally see that. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
All right, I think you might like this one because
I think you mentioned this a couple of times. I
said introverts present fully formed ideas which is like what
I do, like have you ever seen me in my text? Message?
Is like a complete life. It's a complete like paragraph,
it's a book, right, and then extroverts present half baked ideas.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah it could be, but you know this also goes
I think to the last dichotomy of Jay and p
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So I think that could be a little bit of both.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
There no doubt, no doubt. All right, cool, cool. I
like that discussion that we had on on our first preference. Okay,
our second preference. Let's let's talk about sensing and intuition.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, so deep dive into this one. Sensing an intuition
is based on our preferred way of perceiving or gathering information.
So for this one, pay attention to someone's communication style,
and you can ask them to describe something or someone anything.
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It can be an apple, or a picture or a person.
So to spot a sensing type, they're going to focus
on concrete details and they're going to use their five senses.
They're going to use very concrete and specific language. So
let's take the apple. So this apple is red, it
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has a small stem, it doesn't look completely ripe, it's
not completely smooth. One side is bruised, it smells fresh,
and it tastes good. It's curved at a ninety degree angle.
One side is larger than the other. So they're going
to rely on their past experiences and real world data.
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They're focused on the sensory experience whatever they can see here, taste, touch,
and smell, so that's a sensor. Intuitives are going to
focus on abstract concepts, ideas, and connections. They're going to
rely on their imagination, and they may become comfortable with ambiguity.
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So let's go back to the apple example. So an
intuitive type might start out describing what they see, but
pretty soon they're going to start wandering off and talking
about their ideas. They might even make it into a
story like, oh, this apple has made a long journey.
It began its life as a seed, and it was
thrown into this desolate field by a poor young girl
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who was eating its parent while she was walking to
her friend's house one fall evening. Or this apple reminds
me of one that I ate last week, and it
wasn't nearly as delicious as this one. Or I could
use this apple to make an apple pie or salad.
And in fact, my mom loves apples, and that reminds
me I need to go to the grocery store to
buy fruit.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
So yeah, well me too.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I mean this is just this is an intuitive
person's kind of thought process. It doesn't go in this nice,
neat linear kind of step by step fast and it's
it's always you know, making connections. And they may have
metaphors or different stories that come into this when they're
explaining something.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, it kind of reminds me how easy it is
for sensors and intuitives to like really misunderstand each other,
Like they're really looking at the same thing, but they're
describing it completely different. So I can see how they can,
you know, get either this Darren Headlights looked with each other,
like as they're talking or going over stories or maybe
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getting bored, you know, with each other as they're kind
of discussing certain things a certain topics. So yeah, I
definitely want to dig really deep into this thing, too, right,
and just kind of take a look at some of
the stuff. I think a large part of this is
based on details. Like when you start discussing the details,
like you lose me, Like I am not focused on
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it because there's so many other things that are way
more important than the details. For me, it's the comparisons,
it's the it's the possibilities. What can happen? The analogy
is like breaking down the story where it's a B, C,
D E FG, Like what did we really learn? I mean,
I guess we did learn about the story, but how
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can we like, how can we make things more possible?
Like you didn't tell me how this can what can happen?
What can be right? And I think that's kind of
where we kind of where we get stuck. Where the
sensors are really focused in the information and because they
really really really like the details, and sometimes the intouens
are just very very bored with the details.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
M Yeah, I have that myself too, Like if I'm
talking to somebody and they're really getting into the minute
of you know, how this motor is put together, and
they just start explaining it. Well when if you want
to fix a motor, you first do this and this,
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I mean my eyes
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just start glazing over because it's like, Okay, what's what's
the point.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, but we know details matter, right, and so like
we know it's really really important because details do matter.
Like I one of the big things I've always tell
my players is, you know, it's all about the little things.
All the little things make up the big picture. So
all them very big picture oriented. I'm so pleads to
be able to work with so many sensors because they
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help kind of rain me in. Do you I mean,
do you feel that like sometimes the sensors kind of
pull you back to earth, you know, with like sometimes
we tend to be going kind of off the you know,
kind of like out world and to kind of bring
you back in. Do you feel that?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Absolutely, Like I can totally go off into lalla land
regularly and I need a sensor to bring me back
to reality. Okay, focus, focus, focus, So I gotta love
my sensors out there for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah. The breakdown because I know this is something that
I feel like sensors and intuitives are always different stories.
Break down. How an intuitive would tell a story. I
don't know, you kind of talked about that when you're
describing the apple, right, and how a censor would tell
a story of like, you know, how was your vacation?
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I would both individuals talk about their experiences.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right, So a sensor is yeah, they will very likely
get mired into the details. They're going to go into
the past and recount it first this and then this
and then this, and it's going to be really linear
and intuitives, if we remember, they're focused on the big picture.
They're focused on connections and meanings, so they'll talk about
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they might talk about, you know, how we felt or
what I learned, or you know, something that is not
immediately apparent to the five senses. They're going to be
focused on that sixth sense, that intuition, so they might
see skipping all over the place. And you know, this
can be of course confusing to sensing types because they
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want to follow this sequential pattern of information and how
to do things, and they don't always follow the intuitive's
brain when it goes off into all of these tangents
and things like that. So it can really, like you said,
it can be very easy for these two types to
misunderstand each other.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Especially in relationships. Right, you know, the big question of
how was your day can be really really difficult if
you're in a different preference in this area, because how
your day for a sensor might be like, well, you know,
like I'm going to go through what happened at seven
o'clock and work all your weight down. And my thing
is like, yeah, well, what were the big things that occurred?
Like what was the things that occurred? And I know
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that when I talk about my day, I know the
sensors are very frustrated because I'm all over the place,
like I am constantly jumping from areas that I deem
that's important, right to be a to get done. So
you know, one of the things I wanted to kind
of look at to right as we kind of focus
a little bit and take even a deeper dive and
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you kind of tell me if this is true or not.
So obviously we talked about sensors are into facts, details
and what is right, and intuitives are interested in theories, possibility, alternatives,
focusing on the future, what can work, what can be
and what else can be done right, the possibilities of
that right, And so sensors will they want to choose
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things that are proven and that's that has worked because
those things are grounded in facts and details. Right, these
are things that are there. Let's just get this done,
is kind of like their idea. So if there if
you wanted to come up with a project for your house,
like you're working together. They just want to get the
house the stuff done, and then what's the best way
to get it done right. Intuitives, on the other hand,
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are always thinking that there might be a better way
to kind of get things done, so they might look
into exploring different ways, but it may not lead to
them getting it done right. Now, what do you think
about that?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, when I'm thinking about the house thing here, and
what I'm thinking about is, okay, well, what are the
possibilities if we take out this wall and we do
these things? Oh, this might be really cool. If we
do this, then we'll have more space and we can
do this and this and this and the sensor again,
they're going to be grounded in reality, so they're going
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to be looking at well, you know, first, in order
to do this, we have to take a look at
this structure, and we have to take a look at
the materials here, and so that's what their focus is
going to be. It's going to be more on the
details of maybe the engineering or is this possible? Is
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this realistic?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Here?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So you know, again, we both need each other though,
because the sensing types are not always naturally going to
see these possibilities not going to see these innovative new
ideas here, and we intuitives might not be focused on
the reality that, hey, if we take out this wall,
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this plumbing is going to not work here in this house.
So again you can see where we each need each other.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's a great point. I mean think this might actually
be a great place where we talk about opposites attract right,
because really the sensing and intuitive preference is really about
how we see the world right and that sort of stuff,
and so in order so when we're dealing with a problem,
we do need to have people that can see the
possibilities because how do we how do we move? Like,
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how do we advance? How do we how do we progress?
If we don't have those sorts of people, but then
how do we not In order for it to get
it done, we need to details in order to get
those things accomplished. So I think it's important when we're
in different groups that we get time for people with details, right,
and we give time for people with the intuitives, because
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a lot of times I feel like our intuitives don't
necessarily get that time to talk about the possibilities that
we can kind of solve a lot of our problems, right,
and get a lot of things accomplished if we kind
of work together based on the different preferences that we have.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, definitely, And I don't know. For me, I'm always
attracted to people who have these qualities that I myself
don't have. I think we mentioned in a previous episode
that it's easy to connect with like minded people, right,
but one of the greatest opportunities to learn is by
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really sitting down and connecting with somebody who's very different
from you and trying to see a different perspective. And
if we could all do this a little bit more,
just imagine all of the great solutions that we can
come up with.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And that's really what it's all about, right, It's creating
those solutions in life. So no question. Really loved how
we kind of, you know, kind of went on a
deep dive on that preference because I do think sometimes
this preference can be overlooked, but I think it's something
that very plays a huge role in an important, essential
role in how we live our lives and how we
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solve our problems.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh yeah, no worries to me, this is such an
important one. This is such an important dichotomy because I
always think this is where communication really starts happening here
and intuitives, because we are only about a quarter of
the population, largely the world at large is sensing types
and so at least I myself have. You know, I've
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tried very hard to hone my sensing preference, and you know,
I can tell you it's really not easy. But yeah,
I like that deep dive into that preference too.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Mark, And I love what you said there, Like you
mentioned this earlier with my ability to be an extrovert
when I need to, or like the idea that when
I feel comfortable, I become more extroverted, right, And I
think it's the same thing here. If the project is
important to me, I'm all in the details. I'm going
to be a censor like oversensor, and so like, I
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totally agree with what you're saying. Is like, when you're
in a situation, For me, as an introvert, it's a
situation where I feel comfortable, I'm going to display extroverted behaviors.
And when I'm in a situation where I think something
is important, I'm going to display sensing behaviors. And so
it's really really important to understand that too, So I
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love the point that you made about that earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and again it's about our We all have the ability,
we all have the ability to do this.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
So yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on to the
old thinking and feeling preference.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Okay, thinking and feeling, all right, So this is how
we make decisions, right. Thinkers are logic based. They're interested
in things that require logistical or strategic thinking, like science
and math, computers, business engineering, even philosophy. So calculations play
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an important role in the way that thinkers think. They
notice logical inconsistencies, like when numbers don't add up or
when someone doesn't make logical sense. They need things to
make sense, and they need things to be clear, and
they need to have evidence for such and their feelings
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may take a back seat in their consciousness. So sometimes
they can be perceived as either emotionally distant or detached,
and in fact they can struggle to process emotions because
they're used to being able to explain things logically. They
may not factor other people's emotions in when they make
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decisions because they're so focused on a logical outcome. They
also tend to value honesty overtact and as a result,
they can be pretty direct. They want to speak the truth,
even if it's not what people want to hear, So
that's thinking types. Feeling types tend to be more aware
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of their emotions, both their own and the emotions of
the people around them. They want to make decisions that
are going to bring the most peace and harmony, and
they can pick up on subtle cues around them that
may not be obvious to other people. I think feeling
types tend to have an innate ability to empathize with others.
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They tend to be good at reading people, and they
believe that emotions, both their own and other peoples are
an important part of the decision making process, and so
as a result, they take emotions into account when they
make decisions. And they know that speaking the truth can
hurt people and sometimes it can even be harmful, so
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feeling types do strive for diplomacy. They try to find
a balance between hurting people and being truthful. And one
of the things that feeling types can get knocked on
is for being too idealistic. We may be disappointed when
the world doesn't live up to our expectations. I say
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we hear because as our listeners know both Mark and
I are feeling types, and we are drawn to helping professions,
and I think we sell in these roles because of
our people's skills and our natural way of motivating other people.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
It if could you give me an example of how
like a thinker and a feeler might approach a decision differently?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, okay, So let's take a look at deciding on
whether to take a new job. All right, So a
thinking type might look at the differences in salary position,
maybe even future career opportunities, especially if they're an intuitive type,
while a feeling type might be more apt to look
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at group dynamics and how harmonious the team will be,
and business ideas. So thinking types might analyze all aspects
of the markets and business models, while feeling types are
going to consider how personally motivated they feel about each
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idea he is. So the point here is not there's
right or wrong. In a nutshell, thinking types provide logic
and a pragmatic viewpoint, while feeling types provide empathy and
people dynamics, and both are important in any decision.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
No question. And I think, just as you were talking,
just to conclude a little bit about this particular preference.
I feel like thinkers want the best the decision, and
feelers are looking for the right decision for everybody. So
if you take a look at kind of what drives people,
feelers are looking for harmony. Harmony is what feels the feeler.
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The thinkers are looking for the best results as far
as what drives them, right, And I think because of that,
that's why you have the emotional appeal. Right. It's not
like individuals aren't capable of these different emotions, but because
one is striving for the best decision, right and the
other one's deciding for harmony, it leads to these different
type of emotional things. So, like, if you take a
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look at it, because thinkers aren't looking for harmony, they're
looking for what's best, their feelings aren't easily hurt and
they don't easily recognize the hurt in others. Right. But
if you take a look at it, somebody who's a
feeler like you and I are that desires harmony, they
can become easily frustrated, right, easily hurt and confused by
the words and the actions of the thinkers when they disagree.
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So I can see why what we're looking for fueled
the emotions that are behind it.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You know, I think it can be summed up in
results or people, results over people, or people over results, right,
And a lot of the times what I hear I
think in the business world is they're just driving towards results.
And if we stop and the feeling type is going to,
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well at what what's the consequence of getting the results? Yeah,
we know that the results here are important, but is
it important to the expense of people's well being or
the group dynamics or overworking people for example?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, yeah, no question, well said, well said. Let's move
on to our last preference. And this one's written this
is big because maybe I'm saying it's big because I
don't find a lot of perceiving friends, Like all my
friends are very much judged friends. But our last preference
category judging versus perceiving.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Okay, so this relates to how we live our life,
how we deal with the external world. So judging types
tend to be organized and decisive. They want to have
a plan and they want to stick with it. They
want a sense of closure, and they want order in
their lives. Perceiving types tend to be more open minded
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and adaptable. They like to keep their options open, and
they aren't as concerned with sticking to a plan or
a schedule. So an easy way to spot a judging
type is that they enjoy making lists and they find
lists useful. They like to check things off their lists,
either physically on paper or mentally. We hear about a
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lot of people having like a mental checklist. Perceivers don't
really like lists. They may find deadlines overly stifling and
restrict and I would say, regardless, most perceiving types are
not natural list makers. They may want a deadline to
be extended, for example. They may not like to plan
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ahead too much because you never know what tomorrow is
going to bring. We perceiving types like to go with
the flow and be spontaneous, and we may delay things
for sure. And I heard you, Mark, You said that
you seem to be the lone perceiver in like your
group of friends. So so how does that play out
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for you?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I mean, I'm the major thing. I think this is
really important for perceivers. It doesn't really matter to me
because part of the reason why I'm waiting is because
I want to come up with the best option right,
And I think it kind of goes to like a
quote that I've always kind of used to kind of
do that. I feel I love judgers because they're productive,
and they're productive for productive sakes, right, And I think
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sometimes a perceiver, like here's what a quote that I
live by is dope, mistake activity for achievement, not because
you're doing something, means you're actually doing something. Like I
value production, but I don't value just activity for activity's sake.
And I think at times, and I could be broad brushing, right,
I think times judgers are doing things because they just
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want to be productive, versus I think, like, what is
that actual activity doing to the bigger picture of design?
What is that action doing for what the overall big
picture is and what we're trying to look for. And
I think sometimes perceivers are trying to wait for all
the options, right, because they want to have options so
that way they can figure out what the best choices
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not necessarily another choice, right. And I think that's kind
of where I am with it.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, I can totally relate to that too.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean, it might look like I'm delaying a decision
as a perceiver myself delaying a decision, but I'm trying
to think of, you know, just factor everything in and
trying to come up with the best decision for me
at this time.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, and like look, as we talked about, I need
them right because their closure and having things allows me
to say stop this time to make a decision, like
we need to be productive and I need that right
and the fact that they're so productive based That's why
when I choose a group i'm choosing I'm choosing judgers,
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like I'm not choosing another perceiver. Like if I'm choosing
a group for like a college project, I want to
make sure that I have a lot of judges in
that group, because they're always going to strive to be productive, right,
and so they'll use me for the ability to try
to figure out what the best idea is. Right. But
it's always great to have a judge in my group
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because they're always going to make sure that we're not
only are we productive, but we're timely as well. So
I really appreciate.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Them, you know, and I think one area that judgers
can improve upon though I'm with you, Mark, I appreciate
my judging friends so much much because they keep me
on track here. But they do often have this list
of things that they need to follow, and they have
to check things off their lists, and they are not
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going to get diverted from their lists, whereas for me,
I can divert from the list and I can do
this thing over here if it needs to get done.
I can do this other thing over this way that
needs to get done. But a lot of the time,
judging types are so singularly focused on this one goal
that they close themselves off to other possibilities and as
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such may not be able to do all of the
things that they might otherwise do if they weren't so
singularly focused.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
If that makes sense, no question. I think a lot
of times you can tell a judger based off of
their to do list and then their inability to not
move on or to what I call chill right, to
relax until all those things are done right, versus a
perceiver can show at any moment in time like okay,
this seems like a perfect opportunity. It's really harder for
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somebody who's are judging personality type to really really relax
before they have a significant amount of stuff crossed off
their lists.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, and the focus there so they
can come across as you know, inflexible as a result.
But then on the other hand, they're going to see
us as to like goosey.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Or laser fair, right, don't want to get anything accomplished?
Look at your cards? So failthy right, Like I get it?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Mm hmmm yep. So again easy to see where these
misunderstandings can can turn up here.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Okay, so I want to play a game. I think
this might be really really interesting, right, because we're The
whole idea is can we can we identify different preferences
and different essentially personality types and other people. So if
I'm going to put you on the spot, right, and
we're going to do a test, can you identify the
personality preferences of our last three presidents Barack Obama, Donald J. Trump,
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and Joe Biden?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
This is going to be hard because let me say
a disclaimer here. You know, I have my own viewpoints
on this, and I might be wrong. I mean, especially
when it comes to like famous people. It is really
difficult to type famous people, and I think especially presidents
and politicians. So this is not easy for me. So
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I'm just going to share what I thought, what I think,
and let me start with Obama because he's a very
interesting case for me, like anybody who is in the
world of Meyers Briggs, like we just we try to
type everybody right, and we shouldn't really be doing this
because it says a lot more about us than it
does them. And you know, our biases are are definitely
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a fact in this. But with that said, okay, let
me start with him again. I think he is of
the three so of our last three presidents, for me,
he's the hardest one. He is the hardest one to determine,
and I have my initial read on him. My initial
read was that he's an E NFJ and the reason
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for that is when he's talking to people, he tends
to pause to understand who these people are and what
they're focused on. He's naturally like an affable kind of guy.
He's charismatic and to me, he's focused on people, and
that's why I think he's both a feeling type and
an extrovert. He seems idealistic to me. He seems like
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he's concerned about other people in the world around him,
and you know, I think he does speak up for
what's right, what he thinks is right, even though it's
it's hard he doesn't, but when he does that, he
doesn't come across as brash or pushy. And E NFJ
types are natural leaders, you know. But when I when
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I've looked him up, and in all fairness, I did
look him up here, I've looked I've looked him up before,
because just when you know, I'm curious about somebody, I'm
going to I want to know what their Meyers Briggs
type is. But there's a lot of people have described
him as as other types, especially like an E NTP.
I've heard him type as an n f P, and
you know, I think there can be cases made for
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those for those types as well. One thing especially, I
think with politicians we need to remember is that they
do use their non preferred functions because they have to
appeal to a wide variety of constituents, and so it
may often appear that they're well developed in all areas
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and all four of the dichotomies. So a couple of
things I want to mention here. One, I'm trying very
hard to be aware of my own biases here. And
another thing, you know, any person may be one way
on camera, but they may be completely different behind closed doors.
And you know, a lot of Obama's life before he
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came into public office is unknown, so it's really hard
for me to type Obama. He could also be an
introvert to Mark. I mean, I know at some point
we're going to be talking about cognitive functions which take
a way deeper dive into the Myers Briggs. So maybe
we can bring this conversation up again at that point
because I think it can help our listener friends who
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are interested in this and the deeper aspect of personality.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Absolutely. Absolutely, So that's my.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Thought on Obama.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Donald Trump, So he's the easiest one for me to type,
but again, you know, I disclaimer here. I can be wrong.
My first thought of him is he's an estp. And
the reason for this estps they're natural salesmen, their natural negotiators,
and they are completely in the moment. They live life
in the fast lane. They thrive on action and doing things.
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And Trump's focus is very much on the outer world
and this fuels his energy. I mean we think about,
you know, his rallies and his speeches. He doesn't like
it when there's only a few people who are there
in his rallies. He's very focused on the number of
people who attend, and you know, you can see him
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like turning up the charm when he needs to. So
I'm going to say his extroversion is pretty off the scale.
He's pretty extroverted sensing. I think he's a censor because
he is all about flashy stuff. He's about luxury and money.
And you look at all of his buildings, you know,
the gold, the gold in all of his buildings. It
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just screams like luxury and wealth. And he's very much
in the moment, which is typical of sensing types. He
doesn't talk too much about future playing or any kind
of abstract concepts, anything like that. Thinking and feeling. So
this one might be a little bit more tough for
me because I think there can be a case made
for Trump actually being a feeler, but you know, a
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very undeveloped feeler. He has this persona of being tough
and aggressive, which is initially why I would think that
he's a thinking type. He doesn't seem to be too
much in touch with his own or other people's emotions.
But at the same time, he's also highly manipulative and
he exploits people, and you know, I think there can
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be a case made for him being sensitive too, and
these are signs of a feeler and this is the
dark side of feeling. And I think we may have
mentioned this previously. When a feeler gets hurt, they can
lash out. They want you to feel their pain. So
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I'm on the fence about this whether he's a thinker
or a feeling type. I don't know much about Trump's
life growing up, but if I'm if I'm remembering correctly,
his father was a very tough businessman too, and his
father or his family dynamics could have colored who he
is and who he's become. And then so I move
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on to the fourth dichotomy J and P. So So
Trump's impulsive. Uh, He's had a lot of failures in
his businesses because he didn't think things through. If you
watch him, he is very quick to adapt to his
environment in a way that favors him. So when he's
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giving an interview, he doesn't he doesn't always follow a plan.
He can veer off in very different directions very quickly.
So this is why I'm thinking he is a perceiving type.
So I want to point out here though, that there
are healthy and unhealthy versions of every type. Whatever Donald
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Trump's personality type is whether he's an ESTP or an
es FP. He's motivated by power and success, how he
defines success to be, and he uses his personality to
get what he wants.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Wow, that I think you really nailed both Barack and
Donald and President Obama and President Trump. I don't know
these guys on the individual level. She'll be calling them.
I'll buy their last names, right, So our last one,
President Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Okay, good old Joe Biden. This one.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He is really hard for me as well. And you know, again,
if I could, I don't know these people either, and
if I could sit down with them and just talk
to them and ask them questions, I'd like to think
I could have a better understanding of them. But since
I'm not able to do that, I have to go
with like my first guest or my best guess of Joe,
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and I'd have to say it's either an ees FJ,
maybe an e n FJ. But I could also say
he could be an esf P, possibly could be a
thinker as well. So again it's it's hard for me
to say. I am going to say he's an extrovert
because he does seem to enjoy being around people. I
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am gonna say most likely he's a feeling type because
he seems to, you know, he wants to check in
on people and how other people are doing, and he
does seem to be aware of other people's needs. He
does try to get group consensus before he acts on things,
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and I think he does try to smooth things over
a lot when people don't feel good about a decision.
So to me, he seems like a people pleaser. So
that's why I say probably a feeler. I want to
say he might be an s a sensing type, because
I get the sense that he tends to be like
practical and realistic. He doesn't seem to have a lot
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of really lengthy conversations about abstract concepts, but you know,
at the same time, he could be doing what a
lot of politicians do to appease his constituents. He does
seem to be focused on future implications, and I'm not
sure if that's natural or if that's like learned behavior.
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I don't really know, so that's tough to determine for me.
The last dichotomy j or P. You know again, I'm
going to just speak to my own bias again. But
I think it's harder for a perceiving type to be
as organized and time conscious as you need to be
successful in a political role. Jay's or judging types tend
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to be directive. They tell people what to do, They
know what they want to see happen. They want to
be in control. So this isn't to say that a
pe can't be a good leader, but you know, I
tend to think that we perceiving types might see leadership
more like like a sailboat, like we adjust our sales
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accordingly and we kind of flow with the wind, and
that can be hard to do if you're talking about
being president or being in an executive role like Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Is absolutely absolutely audience can we give it at the
round of applause? Wow? I mean her ability to again,
we're not you don't want to type cast like we
don't know these individuals. That's something that we talked about earlier.
But to be able to see the behaviors and to
be able to say probably those behaviors show this type
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of preference, I think is where we really really want
the audience right. We don't want people to say, well,
you're definitely this, because that means that you have to
get to know them and know what's going on in
there in their lives and see are they faking it?
Are they using this to please the constituents? That sort
of stuff, But can you identify the behavior to the preference?
Is kind of where you really really want to be
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And you crush this episode. You really helped us understand
how to identify personality types and preferences through observational data.
I think this episode was so formative and I hope
our audience gets a chance to not only learn how
to identify an individual's personality type, but also identify their
own personality preferences clearly.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, well, thank you Mark. I'm not sure how well
I crushed it, but you know, I'm just going by
my own observations here as best I can, So thank
you really appreciate the shout out and this was fun.
And two our listeners tuning in, thank you very much
for hanging with us to the end of the episode.
And I want to leave on this note here. Type
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casting can be tricky and what you see may not
be truly who someone really is, so I want to
just remind us all to be careful not to make
assumptions and on that note, thank you very much, Mark,
Thank you listeners. I hope you all have a great
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
In this episode, we're going to be talking about how
to identify other people's personality types.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And this is a.
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but once you get to know your own Myers Briggs type,
it's something that can help you to communicate more effectively
with others just by a few simple observations. Mark and
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
From college to careers to relationships. Personality is the key
to finding the right fit.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hi everyone, and Hi Mark. We've got a really good
discussion today about identifying other people's Myers Briggs types. And
once people get a general understanding of the MBTI, it's
natural to become curious about their friends and families types.
So we're going to get into if and how we
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should go about identifying someone else's type. And I'm really
excited to talk about this and if.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm really looking forward to this episode. You know, how
do we identify other people's personalities? I know there's a
lot of resources people can use to determine their own personality,
but can I really identify another's personality just by observing
them and looking at them? You know, I don't know,
but it'd be wild if we can possibly do that.
If I can just see somebody and just know, oh boy,
(02:23):
that's an extrovert, Oh boy, that's a sensor, it'd be
awesome to be able to do so. This would be
a great opportunity for us to talk about that. And
as a MBTI Master practitioner, just wanted to ask you,
is it possible to identify other people's personality just by
observing them?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, that's a tough question. But let me say this.
It's impossible to determine someone else's what we call true
type just by observing them, unless, of course, they've verified
it for themselves. And what we're talking about here is
called type casting. This is making assumptions on what other
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people's personality types are. And I'll just say that everyone
who has a certain level of expertise with the Myers
Briggs does this. We sort of make these parlor games
out of what the MBTI is and what different people's
types are and try to figure out what personality types
various people are. But here's the deal, we shouldn't assume
(03:25):
that we get it right. There's so much more that
goes into someone's personality than the Myers Briggs measures, And
a lot of the time, people like myself, and I'm
going to include myself when I say this, we are
first only going by observation. We don't always know if
someone is behaving a certain way because they've learned to
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do so for whatever reason. So quick example, they may
show up as being very talkative and outward focused and
interacting with a lot of people, so we may assume
this person is an extrovert, when in fact, this person
is an introvert who has honed his or her extroversion
and Mark, You've talked about doing this yourself so much
(04:09):
so that a lot of people assume, wrongly so that
you're an extrovert.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, it happens to me all the time. Everybody always
mistakes me for an extrovert when I'm like a really
really deep introvert. So I understand what you're saying about,
you know, kind of faking in and honing your scale
on something that might be different. I get that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, And the other danger with typecasting is our own
confirmation bias. We may assume, for whatever reason, that the
reason someone is behaving a certain way is because of
their personality. But we've already mentioned that personality isn't one nice,
neat package that's easily measured. But we're human and that's
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what we do. We make judgments based on our own
set of beliefs, so we really have to be careful.
Just because someone is aloof and uncooperative, for example, doesn't
mean that they're an introverted type or a thinking type
or whatever. The only way to accurately know what someone's
Meyers Briggs type is is for them to verify it themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, that's true, and so like you're kind of saying
that by observing and examining somebody's behavior, we may be
able to identify their preference, but we should be careful in.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Our assessment, right, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, that makes sense. You know, that's kind of kind
of reminds me a little bit, like, you know, if
I might see an individual and I'll mentioned this a
couple times for myself I might see an individual multiple
times at Denny's. We might make eye contact. We're both
working on something. I might be on the computer, you know,
they might be reading on their own. I could probably
bet their preference as an introvert. But I can't say
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definitively that's the case, but I could probably guess that
that might be what their preference might be.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Maybe. But with that said, I don't know a lot
of extroverts who go into a restaurant by themselves multiple
times to work on their computers. Again, who knows without
talking to them and having them verify that for themselves.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
No question. I mean, we do love your ability and
giving you the power to observe people, but it doesn't
stop you from getting to know people. Like. Getting to
know people is the key in order to figure out
people's type, not necessarily just looking at and observing people.
And I'm glad you really mentioned that. I think that's
awesome that you mentioned that.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, it's something we've just we've got to be careful of.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, So I'm ready. I'm ready for this. Why don't
we do this? Why don't we take a deep dive
into the four preference categories to give our audience a
thorough understanding of each preference type so they can identify
their friends, spouses, moms, dads, bosses, personality types. I think
that could be really cool to give our audience the
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superpower being able to identify person typings a little bit.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, let's do it. Quick review would be great, and
I'm going to mention some behaviors or characteristics to be
on the lookout for if you do want to try
to type someone.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I think you know, since we've spoken,
I've been able to observe people, and this is people
that I know, right, So, Like it's great to be
able to know an individual have their behaviors, verify that
for you, right, So, Like it's good to be able
to observe the behavior and go, yeah, I knew that
person was an extrovert. I've had conversations, but now that
I'm observing their behaviors, it's almost like it verifies to
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them that they're an extrovert or their judger, because I
see them, they got their planners out, they've got their
to do list on, Like that verify that that person
is a judger. So I love our ability to talk
about behaviors and to do that, so let's start with
our first one. Let's talk about the preference of introversion
and extraversion. What kind of behaviors do individuals in each
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group dis way?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, this is probably the easiest one of the four
dichotomies to observe. So let's start with extroverts. So they
do their thinking while they're talking, so it's like a
talk think talk, and this is an easy way to
spot an extroverted type. They may read through an email
out loud, for example, or they may comment on it
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not to any other person, but to themselves, so they're
not necessarily talking to anyone, but they're solving their problems
by talking things out loud.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And they do like.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
To talk to others too, of course. Thinking out loud
and verbalizing it is how they process and reflect on
their thoughts. They like to be around a lot of
different types of people, and this is very common for
extroverted types. They have a lot of diversity in their
friend groups, so they're often seen as approachable. Since they
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enjoy inner acting with others, they tend to be more
open to communicating with strangers. They may get bored if
they're alone. They may also enjoy hosting social gatherings. They
may interact a lot on social media, and they may
pay attention to this one In emails. Do they use
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a lot of exclamation points? Not just a couple, but regularly.
That's my cue that this person might be an extroverted type.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
That's funny. I really haven't even put a lot of
thought in that, but I definitely don't use exclamation points
in my emails. So that's maybe reason why I might
be an introvert.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, that's something that more extroverts than introverts tend to do.
So I pay attention to that a lot because I
get a lot of emails and I use that in
work a lot, So that's something I pay attention to.
But okay, here's some signs someone may be an introverted type.
People may think that introverts are always quiet, but this
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isn't always the case, and context is key here. Introverted
types tend to be quite chatty in situations where they
feel comfortable or with issues that they're passionate about. They
are still reflective and observant, and they do tend to
think before speaking. This is why introverted types may pause
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or even freeze if they're called upon suddenly in like
a meeting or in class. Yeah, they're more comfortable in
one on one settings or in smaller groups than large groups.
They forge strong connections with people and prefer talking in
depth on subjects that interest them rather than having, you know,
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that small talk conversation in large groups or with a
bunch of strangers. So another way to spot an introverted
type is to watch what seems to exhaust them. Intuted
types tend to get drained from a lot of social
interaction and they need quiet time to recharge. But it's
important to note that many introverts will display more extroverted
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qualities when they feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, no question about that. It's almost like when they
feel comfortable, they may display extroverted personality behavior. Right, So
I think that's that's really good. And you know, one
of the things I want to do real quick edit,
and I think you did a wonderful job in presenting
the behaviors. And one of the things that I am
as far as my personality type, as far as an
intuitive I always like to kind of create like a
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level of conclusions to what I think this is all about,
because it helps me kind of move on from it
once I've figured it out, right, And so I'm going
to just present a couple of things that I feel
like concludes, like some conclusions to each particular preference type,
and then you, as an MBATI, you know, massive practitioner,
just help like, because I'm trying to get to still
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figure this out. Kind of walk me through that, and
you know, if you don't think it's the right thing,
let me know, let me know. But I'm trying to
kind of still figure it out. So one of the
things that I see with extroverts is that they like
a breath of experiences. They like to experience a lot,
like many experiences energize them, and introverts the depth of
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experiences their ability to process things is kind of where
they gain energy from.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
What you think about that, yep, yep. Definitely with extroverts
it's more about breadth. With introverts, it's more about depth.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. And I think that's I think that's where I struggle, right,
Like I struggle with the idea where when I get
too many experiences, it makes it hard for me to
process it. So I get very very tired, and sometimes
it makes me want to leave. And that's why I
do leave, is because I do want to process it.
And when I'm getting information points from all over the place,
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it just becomes overwhelming. Yeah, I could definitely see that.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And for me, like if I have too much depth,
it kind of becomes boring, so I want to move
on to a different topic.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
It kind of reminds me of every conversation I have
with everybody. When I talk to people, I say, hey,
do you want to put on your your scuba gear, like,
because I'm going to get deep with this thing, and
most people are like, no, I'm good, I'm good to
stay here. So I can definitely see that. But then
maybe that's the way I can determine if I'm talking
to a to a extrovert. All right, So here's another one.
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Extroverts work like a scanner. They're constantly scanning their environment.
Introverts are like vacuums, pulling things up and processing them
as they encounter them. Would that be a good little analogy.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm trying to think here, So extroverts is like scanning
their environment. I mean, I don't know. I can't speak
for the other extroverts, but for myself, Yeah, that's that's
somewhat true because I'm kind of, at least for me,
I'm looking for the next new experience.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I guess yeah, it's almost kind of like, well, you know,
like those scanner type things at the beach, like when
you kind of like go around and scanning for like
go and it's like going all over the place beeping
a little bit, like like that's kind of what I
You're not like an actual like like pretty scare, but
like an actual like like just scanning different things, like
at the grocery store, when you're just scanning different items throughout.
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Like sometimes I feel like that's kind of like her
are extroverts with that, because I think they're always trying
to seek an experience, right, and so I always trying
to seek out new experiences and that kind of charges
them up. And I think that the introverts, I would say,
just from a conclusion, they're always processing and trying to
understand things in general, Like that's kind of like what
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energizes them.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Mm hmmm, Yep, I can totally see that. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
All right, I think you might like this one because
I think you mentioned this a couple of times. I
said introverts present fully formed ideas which is like what
I do, like have you ever seen me in my text? Message?
Is like a complete life. It's a complete like paragraph,
it's a book, right, and then extroverts present half baked ideas.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah it could be, but you know this also goes
I think to the last dichotomy of Jay and p
as well.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So I think that could be a little bit of both.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
There no doubt, no doubt. All right, cool, cool. I
like that discussion that we had on on our first preference. Okay,
our second preference. Let's let's talk about sensing and intuition.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, so deep dive into this one. Sensing an intuition
is based on our preferred way of perceiving or gathering information.
So for this one, pay attention to someone's communication style,
and you can ask them to describe something or someone anything.
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It can be an apple, or a picture or a person.
So to spot a sensing type, they're going to focus
on concrete details and they're going to use their five senses.
They're going to use very concrete and specific language. So
let's take the apple. So this apple is red, it
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has a small stem, it doesn't look completely ripe, it's
not completely smooth. One side is bruised, it smells fresh,
and it tastes good. It's curved at a ninety degree angle.
One side is larger than the other. So they're going
to rely on their past experiences and real world data.
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They're focused on the sensory experience whatever they can see here, taste, touch,
and smell, so that's a sensor. Intuitives are going to
focus on abstract concepts, ideas, and connections. They're going to
rely on their imagination, and they may become comfortable with ambiguity.
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So let's go back to the apple example. So an
intuitive type might start out describing what they see, but
pretty soon they're going to start wandering off and talking
about their ideas. They might even make it into a
story like, oh, this apple has made a long journey.
It began its life as a seed, and it was
thrown into this desolate field by a poor young girl
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who was eating its parent while she was walking to
her friend's house one fall evening. Or this apple reminds
me of one that I ate last week, and it
wasn't nearly as delicious as this one. Or I could
use this apple to make an apple pie or salad.
And in fact, my mom loves apples, and that reminds
me I need to go to the grocery store to
buy fruit.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
So yeah, well me too.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I mean this is just this is an intuitive
person's kind of thought process. It doesn't go in this nice,
neat linear kind of step by step fast and it's
it's always you know, making connections. And they may have
metaphors or different stories that come into this when they're
explaining something.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, it kind of reminds me how easy it is
for sensors and intuitives to like really misunderstand each other,
Like they're really looking at the same thing, but they're
describing it completely different. So I can see how they can,
you know, get either this Darren Headlights looked with each other,
like as they're talking or going over stories or maybe
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getting bored, you know, with each other as they're kind
of discussing certain things a certain topics. So yeah, I
definitely want to dig really deep into this thing, too, right,
and just kind of take a look at some of
the stuff. I think a large part of this is
based on details. Like when you start discussing the details,
like you lose me, Like I am not focused on
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it because there's so many other things that are way
more important than the details. For me, it's the comparisons,
it's the it's the possibilities. What can happen? The analogy
is like breaking down the story where it's a B, C,
D E FG, Like what did we really learn? I mean,
I guess we did learn about the story, but how
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can we like, how can we make things more possible?
Like you didn't tell me how this can what can happen?
What can be right? And I think that's kind of
where we kind of where we get stuck. Where the
sensors are really focused in the information and because they
really really really like the details, and sometimes the intouens
are just very very bored with the details.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
M Yeah, I have that myself too, Like if I'm
talking to somebody and they're really getting into the minute
of you know, how this motor is put together, and
they just start explaining it. Well when if you want
to fix a motor, you first do this and this,
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I mean my eyes
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just start glazing over because it's like, Okay, what's what's
the point.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, but we know details matter, right, and so like
we know it's really really important because details do matter.
Like I one of the big things I've always tell
my players is, you know, it's all about the little things.
All the little things make up the big picture. So
all them very big picture oriented. I'm so pleads to
be able to work with so many sensors because they
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help kind of rain me in. Do you I mean,
do you feel that like sometimes the sensors kind of
pull you back to earth, you know, with like sometimes
we tend to be going kind of off the you know,
kind of like out world and to kind of bring
you back in. Do you feel that?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Absolutely, Like I can totally go off into lalla land
regularly and I need a sensor to bring me back
to reality. Okay, focus, focus, focus, So I gotta love
my sensors out there for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah. The breakdown because I know this is something that
I feel like sensors and intuitives are always different stories.
Break down. How an intuitive would tell a story. I
don't know, you kind of talked about that when you're
describing the apple, right, and how a censor would tell
a story of like, you know, how was your vacation?
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I would both individuals talk about their experiences.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right, So a sensor is yeah, they will very likely
get mired into the details. They're going to go into
the past and recount it first this and then this
and then this, and it's going to be really linear
and intuitives, if we remember, they're focused on the big picture.
They're focused on connections and meanings, so they'll talk about
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they might talk about, you know, how we felt or
what I learned, or you know, something that is not
immediately apparent to the five senses. They're going to be
focused on that sixth sense, that intuition, so they might
see skipping all over the place. And you know, this
can be of course confusing to sensing types because they
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want to follow this sequential pattern of information and how
to do things, and they don't always follow the intuitive's
brain when it goes off into all of these tangents
and things like that. So it can really, like you said,
it can be very easy for these two types to
misunderstand each other.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Especially in relationships. Right, you know, the big question of
how was your day can be really really difficult if
you're in a different preference in this area, because how
your day for a sensor might be like, well, you know,
like I'm going to go through what happened at seven
o'clock and work all your weight down. And my thing
is like, yeah, well, what were the big things that occurred?
Like what was the things that occurred? And I know
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that when I talk about my day, I know the
sensors are very frustrated because I'm all over the place,
like I am constantly jumping from areas that I deem
that's important, right to be a to get done. So
you know, one of the things I wanted to kind
of look at to right as we kind of focus
a little bit and take even a deeper dive and
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you kind of tell me if this is true or not.
So obviously we talked about sensors are into facts, details
and what is right, and intuitives are interested in theories, possibility, alternatives,
focusing on the future, what can work, what can be
and what else can be done right, the possibilities of
that right, And so sensors will they want to choose
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things that are proven and that's that has worked because
those things are grounded in facts and details. Right, these
are things that are there. Let's just get this done,
is kind of like their idea. So if there if
you wanted to come up with a project for your house,
like you're working together. They just want to get the
house the stuff done, and then what's the best way
to get it done right. Intuitives, on the other hand,
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are always thinking that there might be a better way
to kind of get things done, so they might look
into exploring different ways, but it may not lead to
them getting it done right. Now, what do you think
about that?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, when I'm thinking about the house thing here, and
what I'm thinking about is, okay, well, what are the
possibilities if we take out this wall and we do
these things? Oh, this might be really cool. If we
do this, then we'll have more space and we can
do this and this and this and the sensor again,
they're going to be grounded in reality, so they're going
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to be looking at well, you know, first, in order
to do this, we have to take a look at
this structure, and we have to take a look at
the materials here, and so that's what their focus is
going to be. It's going to be more on the
details of maybe the engineering or is this possible? Is
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this realistic?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Here?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So you know, again, we both need each other though,
because the sensing types are not always naturally going to
see these possibilities not going to see these innovative new
ideas here, and we intuitives might not be focused on
the reality that, hey, if we take out this wall,
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this plumbing is going to not work here in this house.
So again you can see where we each need each other.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's a great point. I mean think this might actually
be a great place where we talk about opposites attract right,
because really the sensing and intuitive preference is really about
how we see the world right and that sort of stuff,
and so in order so when we're dealing with a problem,
we do need to have people that can see the
possibilities because how do we how do we move? Like,
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how do we advance? How do we how do we progress?
If we don't have those sorts of people, but then
how do we not In order for it to get
it done, we need to details in order to get
those things accomplished. So I think it's important when we're
in different groups that we get time for people with details, right,
and we give time for people with the intuitives, because
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a lot of times I feel like our intuitives don't
necessarily get that time to talk about the possibilities that
we can kind of solve a lot of our problems, right,
and get a lot of things accomplished if we kind
of work together based on the different preferences that we have.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, definitely, And I don't know. For me, I'm always
attracted to people who have these qualities that I myself
don't have. I think we mentioned in a previous episode
that it's easy to connect with like minded people, right,
but one of the greatest opportunities to learn is by
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really sitting down and connecting with somebody who's very different
from you and trying to see a different perspective. And
if we could all do this a little bit more,
just imagine all of the great solutions that we can
come up with.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And that's really what it's all about, right, It's creating
those solutions in life. So no question. Really loved how
we kind of, you know, kind of went on a
deep dive on that preference because I do think sometimes
this preference can be overlooked, but I think it's something
that very plays a huge role in an important, essential
role in how we live our lives and how we
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solve our problems.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh yeah, no worries to me, this is such an
important one. This is such an important dichotomy because I
always think this is where communication really starts happening here
and intuitives, because we are only about a quarter of
the population, largely the world at large is sensing types
and so at least I myself have. You know, I've
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tried very hard to hone my sensing preference, and you know,
I can tell you it's really not easy. But yeah,
I like that deep dive into that preference too.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Mark, And I love what you said there, Like you
mentioned this earlier with my ability to be an extrovert
when I need to, or like the idea that when
I feel comfortable, I become more extroverted, right, And I
think it's the same thing here. If the project is
important to me, I'm all in the details. I'm going
to be a censor like oversensor, and so like, I
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totally agree with what you're saying. Is like, when you're
in a situation, For me, as an introvert, it's a
situation where I feel comfortable, I'm going to display extroverted behaviors.
And when I'm in a situation where I think something
is important, I'm going to display sensing behaviors. And so
it's really really important to understand that too, So I
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love the point that you made about that earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and again it's about our We all have the ability,
we all have the ability to do this.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
So yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on to the
old thinking and feeling preference.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Okay, thinking and feeling, all right, So this is how
we make decisions, right. Thinkers are logic based. They're interested
in things that require logistical or strategic thinking, like science
and math, computers, business engineering, even philosophy. So calculations play
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an important role in the way that thinkers think. They
notice logical inconsistencies, like when numbers don't add up or
when someone doesn't make logical sense. They need things to
make sense, and they need things to be clear, and
they need to have evidence for such and their feelings
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may take a back seat in their consciousness. So sometimes
they can be perceived as either emotionally distant or detached,
and in fact they can struggle to process emotions because
they're used to being able to explain things logically. They
may not factor other people's emotions in when they make
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decisions because they're so focused on a logical outcome. They
also tend to value honesty overtact and as a result,
they can be pretty direct. They want to speak the truth,
even if it's not what people want to hear, So
that's thinking types. Feeling types tend to be more aware
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of their emotions, both their own and the emotions of
the people around them. They want to make decisions that
are going to bring the most peace and harmony, and
they can pick up on subtle cues around them that
may not be obvious to other people. I think feeling
types tend to have an innate ability to empathize with others.
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They tend to be good at reading people, and they
believe that emotions, both their own and other peoples are
an important part of the decision making process, and so
as a result, they take emotions into account when they
make decisions. And they know that speaking the truth can
hurt people and sometimes it can even be harmful, so
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feeling types do strive for diplomacy. They try to find
a balance between hurting people and being truthful. And one
of the things that feeling types can get knocked on
is for being too idealistic. We may be disappointed when
the world doesn't live up to our expectations. I say
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we hear because as our listeners know both Mark and
I are feeling types, and we are drawn to helping professions,
and I think we sell in these roles because of
our people's skills and our natural way of motivating other people.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
It if could you give me an example of how
like a thinker and a feeler might approach a decision differently?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, okay, So let's take a look at deciding on
whether to take a new job. All right, So a
thinking type might look at the differences in salary position,
maybe even future career opportunities, especially if they're an intuitive type,
while a feeling type might be more apt to look
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at group dynamics and how harmonious the team will be,
and business ideas. So thinking types might analyze all aspects
of the markets and business models, while feeling types are
going to consider how personally motivated they feel about each
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idea he is. So the point here is not there's
right or wrong. In a nutshell, thinking types provide logic
and a pragmatic viewpoint, while feeling types provide empathy and
people dynamics, and both are important in any decision.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
No question. And I think, just as you were talking,
just to conclude a little bit about this particular preference.
I feel like thinkers want the best the decision, and
feelers are looking for the right decision for everybody. So
if you take a look at kind of what drives people,
feelers are looking for harmony. Harmony is what feels the feeler.
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The thinkers are looking for the best results as far
as what drives them, right, And I think because of that,
that's why you have the emotional appeal. Right. It's not
like individuals aren't capable of these different emotions, but because
one is striving for the best decision, right and the
other one's deciding for harmony, it leads to these different
type of emotional things. So, like, if you take a
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look at it, because thinkers aren't looking for harmony, they're
looking for what's best, their feelings aren't easily hurt and
they don't easily recognize the hurt in others. Right. But
if you take a look at it, somebody who's a
feeler like you and I are that desires harmony, they
can become easily frustrated, right, easily hurt and confused by
the words and the actions of the thinkers when they disagree.
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So I can see why what we're looking for fueled
the emotions that are behind it.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You know, I think it can be summed up in
results or people, results over people, or people over results, right,
And a lot of the times what I hear I
think in the business world is they're just driving towards results.
And if we stop and the feeling type is going to,
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well at what what's the consequence of getting the results? Yeah,
we know that the results here are important, but is
it important to the expense of people's well being or
the group dynamics or overworking people for example?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, yeah, no question, well said, well said. Let's move
on to our last preference. And this one's written this
is big because maybe I'm saying it's big because I
don't find a lot of perceiving friends, Like all my
friends are very much judged friends. But our last preference
category judging versus perceiving.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Okay, so this relates to how we live our life,
how we deal with the external world. So judging types
tend to be organized and decisive. They want to have
a plan and they want to stick with it. They
want a sense of closure, and they want order in
their lives. Perceiving types tend to be more open minded
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and adaptable. They like to keep their options open, and
they aren't as concerned with sticking to a plan or
a schedule. So an easy way to spot a judging
type is that they enjoy making lists and they find
lists useful. They like to check things off their lists,
either physically on paper or mentally. We hear about a
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lot of people having like a mental checklist. Perceivers don't
really like lists. They may find deadlines overly stifling and
restrict and I would say, regardless, most perceiving types are
not natural list makers. They may want a deadline to
be extended, for example. They may not like to plan
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ahead too much because you never know what tomorrow is
going to bring. We perceiving types like to go with
the flow and be spontaneous, and we may delay things
for sure. And I heard you, Mark, You said that
you seem to be the lone perceiver in like your
group of friends. So so how does that play out
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for you?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I mean, I'm the major thing. I think this is
really important for perceivers. It doesn't really matter to me
because part of the reason why I'm waiting is because
I want to come up with the best option right,
And I think it kind of goes to like a
quote that I've always kind of used to kind of
do that. I feel I love judgers because they're productive,
and they're productive for productive sakes, right, And I think
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sometimes a perceiver, like here's what a quote that I
live by is dope, mistake activity for achievement, not because
you're doing something, means you're actually doing something. Like I
value production, but I don't value just activity for activity's sake.
And I think at times, and I could be broad brushing, right,
I think times judgers are doing things because they just
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want to be productive, versus I think, like, what is
that actual activity doing to the bigger picture of design?
What is that action doing for what the overall big
picture is and what we're trying to look for. And
I think sometimes perceivers are trying to wait for all
the options, right, because they want to have options so
that way they can figure out what the best choices
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not necessarily another choice, right. And I think that's kind
of where I am with it.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, I can totally relate to that too.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean, it might look like I'm delaying a decision
as a perceiver myself delaying a decision, but I'm trying
to think of, you know, just factor everything in and
trying to come up with the best decision for me
at this time.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, and like look, as we talked about, I need
them right because their closure and having things allows me
to say stop this time to make a decision, like
we need to be productive and I need that right
and the fact that they're so productive based That's why
when I choose a group i'm choosing I'm choosing judgers,
(38:23):
like I'm not choosing another perceiver. Like if I'm choosing
a group for like a college project, I want to
make sure that I have a lot of judges in
that group, because they're always going to strive to be productive, right,
and so they'll use me for the ability to try
to figure out what the best idea is. Right. But
it's always great to have a judge in my group
(38:43):
because they're always going to make sure that we're not
only are we productive, but we're timely as well. So
I really appreciate.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Them, you know, and I think one area that judgers
can improve upon though I'm with you, Mark, I appreciate
my judging friends so much much because they keep me
on track here. But they do often have this list
of things that they need to follow, and they have
to check things off their lists, and they are not
(39:10):
going to get diverted from their lists, whereas for me,
I can divert from the list and I can do
this thing over here if it needs to get done.
I can do this other thing over this way that
needs to get done. But a lot of the time,
judging types are so singularly focused on this one goal
that they close themselves off to other possibilities and as
(39:33):
such may not be able to do all of the
things that they might otherwise do if they weren't so
singularly focused.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
If that makes sense, no question. I think a lot
of times you can tell a judger based off of
their to do list and then their inability to not
move on or to what I call chill right, to
relax until all those things are done right, versus a
perceiver can show at any moment in time like okay,
this seems like a perfect opportunity. It's really harder for
(40:05):
somebody who's are judging personality type to really really relax
before they have a significant amount of stuff crossed off
their lists.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, and the focus there so they
can come across as you know, inflexible as a result.
But then on the other hand, they're going to see
us as to like goosey.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Or laser fair, right, don't want to get anything accomplished?
Look at your cards? So failthy right, Like I get it?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Mm hmmm yep. So again easy to see where these
misunderstandings can can turn up here.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Okay, so I want to play a game. I think
this might be really really interesting, right, because we're The
whole idea is can we can we identify different preferences
and different essentially personality types and other people. So if
I'm going to put you on the spot, right, and
we're going to do a test, can you identify the
personality preferences of our last three presidents Barack Obama, Donald J. Trump,
(41:06):
and Joe Biden?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
This is going to be hard because let me say
a disclaimer here. You know, I have my own viewpoints
on this, and I might be wrong. I mean, especially
when it comes to like famous people. It is really
difficult to type famous people, and I think especially presidents
and politicians. So this is not easy for me. So
(41:31):
I'm just going to share what I thought, what I think,
and let me start with Obama because he's a very
interesting case for me, like anybody who is in the
world of Meyers Briggs, like we just we try to
type everybody right, and we shouldn't really be doing this
because it says a lot more about us than it
does them. And you know, our biases are are definitely
(41:53):
a fact in this. But with that said, okay, let
me start with him again. I think he is of
the three so of our last three presidents, for me,
he's the hardest one. He is the hardest one to determine,
and I have my initial read on him. My initial
read was that he's an E NFJ and the reason
(42:15):
for that is when he's talking to people, he tends
to pause to understand who these people are and what
they're focused on. He's naturally like an affable kind of guy.
He's charismatic and to me, he's focused on people, and
that's why I think he's both a feeling type and
an extrovert. He seems idealistic to me. He seems like
(42:40):
he's concerned about other people in the world around him,
and you know, I think he does speak up for
what's right, what he thinks is right, even though it's
it's hard he doesn't, but when he does that, he
doesn't come across as brash or pushy. And E NFJ
types are natural leaders, you know. But when I when
(43:03):
I've looked him up, and in all fairness, I did
look him up here, I've looked I've looked him up before,
because just when you know, I'm curious about somebody, I'm
going to I want to know what their Meyers Briggs
type is. But there's a lot of people have described
him as as other types, especially like an E NTP.
I've heard him type as an n f P, and
you know, I think there can be cases made for
(43:25):
those for those types as well. One thing especially, I
think with politicians we need to remember is that they
do use their non preferred functions because they have to
appeal to a wide variety of constituents, and so it
may often appear that they're well developed in all areas
(43:48):
and all four of the dichotomies. So a couple of
things I want to mention here. One, I'm trying very
hard to be aware of my own biases here. And
another thing, you know, any person may be one way
on camera, but they may be completely different behind closed doors.
And you know, a lot of Obama's life before he
(44:09):
came into public office is unknown, so it's really hard
for me to type Obama. He could also be an
introvert to Mark. I mean, I know at some point
we're going to be talking about cognitive functions which take
a way deeper dive into the Myers Briggs. So maybe
we can bring this conversation up again at that point
because I think it can help our listener friends who
(44:30):
are interested in this and the deeper aspect of personality.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Absolutely. Absolutely, So that's my.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Thought on Obama.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Donald Trump, So he's the easiest one for me to type,
but again, you know, I disclaimer here. I can be wrong.
My first thought of him is he's an estp. And
the reason for this estps they're natural salesmen, their natural negotiators,
and they are completely in the moment. They live life
in the fast lane. They thrive on action and doing things.
(45:05):
And Trump's focus is very much on the outer world
and this fuels his energy. I mean we think about,
you know, his rallies and his speeches. He doesn't like
it when there's only a few people who are there
in his rallies. He's very focused on the number of
people who attend, and you know, you can see him
(45:28):
like turning up the charm when he needs to. So
I'm going to say his extroversion is pretty off the scale.
He's pretty extroverted sensing. I think he's a censor because
he is all about flashy stuff. He's about luxury and money.
And you look at all of his buildings, you know,
the gold, the gold in all of his buildings. It
(45:51):
just screams like luxury and wealth. And he's very much
in the moment, which is typical of sensing types. He
doesn't talk too much about future playing or any kind
of abstract concepts, anything like that. Thinking and feeling. So
this one might be a little bit more tough for
me because I think there can be a case made
for Trump actually being a feeler, but you know, a
(46:15):
very undeveloped feeler. He has this persona of being tough
and aggressive, which is initially why I would think that
he's a thinking type. He doesn't seem to be too
much in touch with his own or other people's emotions.
But at the same time, he's also highly manipulative and
he exploits people, and you know, I think there can
(46:37):
be a case made for him being sensitive too, and
these are signs of a feeler and this is the
dark side of feeling. And I think we may have
mentioned this previously. When a feeler gets hurt, they can
lash out. They want you to feel their pain. So
(46:57):
I'm on the fence about this whether he's a thinker
or a feeling type. I don't know much about Trump's
life growing up, but if I'm if I'm remembering correctly,
his father was a very tough businessman too, and his
father or his family dynamics could have colored who he
is and who he's become. And then so I move
(47:19):
on to the fourth dichotomy J and P. So So
Trump's impulsive. Uh, He's had a lot of failures in
his businesses because he didn't think things through. If you
watch him, he is very quick to adapt to his
environment in a way that favors him. So when he's
(47:39):
giving an interview, he doesn't he doesn't always follow a plan.
He can veer off in very different directions very quickly.
So this is why I'm thinking he is a perceiving type.
So I want to point out here though, that there
are healthy and unhealthy versions of every type. Whatever Donald
(48:01):
Trump's personality type is whether he's an ESTP or an
es FP. He's motivated by power and success, how he
defines success to be, and he uses his personality to
get what he wants.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Wow, that I think you really nailed both Barack and
Donald and President Obama and President Trump. I don't know
these guys on the individual level. She'll be calling them.
I'll buy their last names, right, So our last one,
President Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Okay, good old Joe Biden. This one.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He is really hard for me as well. And you know, again,
if I could, I don't know these people either, and
if I could sit down with them and just talk
to them and ask them questions, I'd like to think
I could have a better understanding of them. But since
I'm not able to do that, I have to go
with like my first guest or my best guess of Joe,
(48:59):
and I'd have to say it's either an ees FJ,
maybe an e n FJ. But I could also say
he could be an esf P, possibly could be a
thinker as well. So again it's it's hard for me
to say. I am going to say he's an extrovert
because he does seem to enjoy being around people. I
(49:20):
am gonna say most likely he's a feeling type because
he seems to, you know, he wants to check in
on people and how other people are doing, and he
does seem to be aware of other people's needs. He
does try to get group consensus before he acts on things,
(49:42):
and I think he does try to smooth things over
a lot when people don't feel good about a decision.
So to me, he seems like a people pleaser. So
that's why I say probably a feeler. I want to
say he might be an s a sensing type, because
I get the sense that he tends to be like
practical and realistic. He doesn't seem to have a lot
(50:04):
of really lengthy conversations about abstract concepts, but you know,
at the same time, he could be doing what a
lot of politicians do to appease his constituents. He does
seem to be focused on future implications, and I'm not
sure if that's natural or if that's like learned behavior.
(50:26):
I don't really know, so that's tough to determine for me.
The last dichotomy j or P. You know again, I'm
going to just speak to my own bias again. But
I think it's harder for a perceiving type to be
as organized and time conscious as you need to be
successful in a political role. Jay's or judging types tend
(50:48):
to be directive. They tell people what to do, They
know what they want to see happen. They want to
be in control. So this isn't to say that a
pe can't be a good leader, but you know, I
tend to think that we perceiving types might see leadership
more like like a sailboat, like we adjust our sales
(51:10):
accordingly and we kind of flow with the wind, and
that can be hard to do if you're talking about
being president or being in an executive role like Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Is absolutely absolutely audience can we give it at the
round of applause? Wow? I mean her ability to again,
we're not you don't want to type cast like we
don't know these individuals. That's something that we talked about earlier.
But to be able to see the behaviors and to
be able to say probably those behaviors show this type
(51:43):
of preference, I think is where we really really want
the audience right. We don't want people to say, well,
you're definitely this, because that means that you have to
get to know them and know what's going on in
there in their lives and see are they faking it?
Are they using this to please the constituents? That sort
of stuff, But can you identify the behavior to the preference?
Is kind of where you really really want to be
(52:04):
And you crush this episode. You really helped us understand
how to identify personality types and preferences through observational data.
I think this episode was so formative and I hope
our audience gets a chance to not only learn how
to identify an individual's personality type, but also identify their
own personality preferences clearly.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, well, thank you Mark. I'm not sure how well
I crushed it, but you know, I'm just going by
my own observations here as best I can, So thank
you really appreciate the shout out and this was fun.
And two our listeners tuning in, thank you very much
for hanging with us to the end of the episode.
And I want to leave on this note here. Type
(52:48):
casting can be tricky and what you see may not
be truly who someone really is, so I want to
just remind us all to be careful not to make
assumptions and on that note, thank you very much, Mark,
Thank you listeners. I hope you all have a great
day and we will see you next time.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
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Speaker 2 (53:21):
Platform, and please reach out to me on LinkedIn and
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