September 23, 2023 • 58 mins
Are you ready to question the familiar? Brace yourself as we challenge the notion that additional fishing licenses equate to more funds for the state, right here in New York. We'll pull back the curtain on the truth about the Wallop Breaux tax, daring to ask, is this proposed license just a scheme to fill the state's coffers? Join us as we probe into the real financial impact, the local tackle industry's repercussions, and the potential for these funds to be used for mere enforcement.
Set sail with us to the famous fishing haven, Moriches Bay, where we recount tales of fluking and the majestic sight of whales kissing the shoreline. Dive into the history of striped bass fishing, right from the heart of Mauritius. Witness the evolution of techniques, tackle preferences, and the transformation of the fishery over the years. We'll reveal the enigma of the shrinking striped bass sizes in the bay, set against the contrasting growth of those in the open sea, while questioning the effectiveness of the state's slot limit enforcement strategy.
As we navigate these waters, we pause to honor our dear friend, Gill Hubbs, a warrior who was taken from us prematurely. We remember his infectious spirit and his love for the chase of the big-sized striped bass. Join us as we reminisce about our shared adventures, the thrill of landing a massive albacore in Mauritius, and the secrets of successful fishing strategies. So, buckle up as we share a wealth of fishing wisdom; this is an adventure you don't want to miss!
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George Scocca (00:00):
Hello, all this is George Scocca and you're
listening to the New YorkFishing Podcast.
So as the push moves on for asole water fishing license here
in New York State, I've beendoing a little dig in trying to
find out different things aboutdifferent things that are said,
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and I was really surprised thisweek when I was able to get
numbers on Wallop Pro.
Nowadays, with all this AIstuff, you can find just about
anything at any given time.
So I'm checking it out and youknow, like part of this license
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issue is they claim that we willget more money from the federal
government through the WallopPro tax, which is like I don't
want to get too deep, but it's atax that we all pay 10%.
Everything you buy, you pay 10%of the tax.
I mentioned it here a lot andthe reason I do that is because
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everyone seems to forget it.
It kind of gets buried.
You know, like you don't know,when you buy a $200 real that if
you didn't have Wallop Pro, itwould only cost you $180.
You just don't know that.
So I looked into it and youknow one of the claims has
always been that if we have morelicenses, we're going to get
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more Wallop Pro money and if youread it, that should be the
case.
I think it's kind of vague.
It's believe it or not, it'sthe size of the state and which
I think accounts for 60%, andthen the number of licenses
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accounts for 40%, and they dothis calculation.
To me, the whole thing is nuts.
Whatever your state pays in,your state should get back.
That's what I think In the caseof Alaska.
They pay like a million bucksand then they get back 15
million because the place is sofreaking big.
I don't think that's fair.
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But the thing that I noticedwas I went back to when we had a
fishing license back from 2010to 2015.
If you look at those years,you'd be surprised to see that
we actually didn't get moremoney.
If anything, on a percentage,we actually got less money.
(02:42):
And now I'm not saying, look,maybe this gets deferred and you
don't get the money until yearslater.
I wouldn't know why, but maybethat's what happens.
But the question needs to beasked is this true?
Are we getting more money andhow much more are we getting?
The other thing I want to bringup about the license is I don't
(03:07):
want to talk about thegazillion of reasons why we
don't need them and the I can'ttake a one.
Why we need one or what we'regoing to get out of it?
Because right now, theWallabrow fund contributes a
huge number.
It's $32 million a year we getjust from Wallabrow.
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On top of that, there is partof Wallabrow is the Sport
Fishing Restoration Act.
We get another $20 million.
Well, at least we got that lastyear.
I'm not sure what we got inyears past, but we got $20
million.
So we got $50 million last yearto put into our fishery.
(04:00):
And the thing is we're notsupposed to have double taxation
.
Everybody tells me oh crazy,why are you even saying it?
Well, because it is true.
If you look at the SportFishing Restoration Act, you're
going to see that a big piece ofit is to provide access and
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boating ramp.
You see, they had to do boatingramps because they whack your
10% when you go to get fuel Downon the water.
So they had to throw the rampsin to justify charging the fuel
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tax.
But think about it.
So now we got $52 million Forthe last.
From 2016 to—no 2015 to 2022, wereceived over $350 million.
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$350 million.
I ask you have things improved?
Do you have more ramps?
Maybe you have one out in theNorth Pole, okay, if not, we'll
shut down.
And I mean, yeah, now it's open.
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But $50 million, you and Icould do a lot with that money.
I don't know what they're doingwith it.
They brag that they give$20,000,000 to the team that's
trying to clean up the ghostpotsin long-hound sound.
Where is all that money going?
(05:49):
That's the first question.
That question is do they reallyneed another $3,000,000,
$4,000,000, $5,000,000, and arewe going to see anything, any
improvement?
I'm going to say, if you can'tdo it on the $50 million and
again, if you read ratherwell-it-bro, you're going to see
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that a big piece of it isaccess and management and
education.
Then you look at the sportfishing fund, access ramps,
education.
Now you look at the proposedlicense Ramps, education.
(06:36):
My point here is do not believein any sense of the word that a
license will help our fisheriesor give us more access or make
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it better for us.
They will just burn that money.
The way they burn the $50million, I don't know what they
do with it.
Can't imagine $50 millioncoming to the state every year.
Now look, here's the last thingI'm going to say.
There's a huge thing here thatno one seems to be really
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looking at.
That is the fact that the lasttime we had a license, the
industry took a huge, freakinghit Not so much the party and
charter boat industry but thetackle industry and the local
tackle industry.
They took a huge hit,especially out east.
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A lot of people thought theycould just go fishing.
They found out they had to geta license.
They didn't go.
That's how it works.
It takes five years, minimumfive to seven years before you
get it back to when you startedthe license.
We don't need the license.
I just don't see them doing anygood.
(08:10):
If they get all that money, whycan't we put some into
enforcement?
Why not?
No, they want to take, make usget a license and then use that
money.
Look to me, this is just amoney grab.
(08:34):
That's it for me regarding thesaltwater license issue.
Yes, I mentioned before about AI.
I've been doing a lot ofdigging.
I tell you what it's amazing,that I don't know if you have
(08:58):
much experience with it, butyou're going to find it's like a
moderate, every answer it givesyou, like I was asking about
the windmills.
It would come back and tell meall these bad things and then
say but don't forget, this isfor the overall good of the
earth, and this and that and theother thing.
(09:21):
I want the facts, I don't carewhat you think, every single
thing.
There's a new one.
It's called BARD and that isthe Google AI.
I'm telling you, this thing isprogrammed to never say a bad
thing about anybody, unless, ofcourse, you know how to use the
(09:45):
correct prompts.
But those of you that aren'tgetting into AI, you're all
going to fall behind.
It's so easy.
I feel like my old self back inthe 90s when people told me I
was crazy and that the internetwas just a fad and it was never
(10:05):
going to make it.
I knew it was, but nobodylistened.
I'm telling you right now thisAI stuff, this is serious and
it's here to stay and it's rightat your fingertips Chat, gpt.
I don't want to get too deep,but if you're listening, you're
somewhat of a geek.
No offense to me, I love you,know.
(10:26):
It's great to be a geek andknow what you're doing nowadays,
but Chat GPT only has info upuntil 2021.
But if you use this bard it'sbardgooglerathercom you'll find
that it has everything up untiltoday.
(10:47):
It's a whole different animal.
So, yeah, but it cracks me up.
Every time I ask a question itkind of gives me the other side.
It's like a moderate response.
All I want is the facts.
I don't understand why even asearch engine has to put its two
(11:08):
cents into everything.
I mean seriously.
Yes, so this week I'm gonnahave a jerk of the week.
Maybe I'll try to do one everyweek.
Probably wouldn't be too hardto find.
But this guy is selling trout,which I'm not sure where he gets
(11:29):
.
I mean, I'm guessing he's gillnetting him or somehow
commercially catching the fishand he's selling them online on
his Facebook account.
So what do you think happens?
Of course, you know, an ECOfollows up and ends up.
(11:57):
Long story short, the guy wascaught with like $750 worth of
illegally caught trout that hewas selling on the side of the
road, but he would advertise iton Facebook.
Imagine yeah, maybe on the sideof road I got some trout that I
poached and I could give him toyou know, $199 a pound, don't
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worry about it.
Yeah, maybe I didn't have it onice too long, but they're all
freezing big, they're all ingood shape.
So, yeah, so he's.
I don't know, they're givinghim a fine.
The truth is, I keep saying himit could be a hard because the
name of the moron was not givenit's always something when it
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comes to fishing.
He had all different kinds ofstories.
You know, last week we hadEddie Carrol on.
He was, he was a kid talkingabout keep saying kiddies, and
it's 30s and when I was in my30s I didn't think I was a kid,
but now that I'm 68 he's a kidanyway.
(13:11):
And he's talking about thispaddleboard fishing and I'm like
, oh my god.
And then I'm here.
British Guy (13:24):
Yes, george, I'm here right now.
We came to hear from the leaderof the sharks.
His name is Mr Don Edward Minowand he will be speaking for the
sharks we have heard it hasbeen leaked to us that these
sharks are threatening to startto bite people, so we have to
(13:52):
hold on and listen in as thehold on.
He's coming up to the themicrophone.
Sharky (14:00):
If I happen to be on.
You know I was in that newregion shark town.
What a bunch of shit that was.
And I'm here to speak for allthe sharks.
You know I'm great.
Well, I've been to a lot ofshit, I've been through
everything.
And I'm here to speak for thesharks about this new bill that
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that two human searing Americatrying to pass about.
It's called a shark to bill andyou're gonna try to stop us
from eating fish that havecaught on a fishing line.
Now, what do you think we are?
What are you big?
We're not gonna let that happen.
We're gonna eat whatever wewant.
We don't, we don't, we don'tcare what you people say.
(14:47):
I mean I gotta go mine to cool,you know.
Get, get us all together andmaybe we'll study humans.
Yeah, what do you think we cando that?
Let's run around next to you,don't even know where we are off
the look.
Here is the way I see it.
I get the shark back becauseyou're just wasting your time.
(15:07):
Well, you think you're gonnateach us, tell us what to do.
We own the ocean, we're theapex predator, weed, anything we
want.
The way you think you're gonnaget a bunch of guys who watched
in DC and have money and wastefor all kinds of money not gonna
work.
It's not gonna.
We're never gonna let it work.
(15:28):
So I'm here to speak for all theshark.
I'm the only one who was.
It was recognized.
You know, you got Charlie Tuna,donnie.
He's here for the tuna.
You got SpongeBob he's Donnie,but it's bunge's.
I'm here for the sharks and I'mtelling you, if you best shark
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act, we're gonna go past pastthe best that's on the line and
we're gonna jump in a ball andstudy people.
I mean, these are your choicesof you.
People you need, but you gottakeep busy.
You need other things to do,like stop people from finning us
and stop people from layingthose miles along.
(16:13):
I see my buddy stuck on longlines.
None I can do about it.
I got a good line to.
You know you want to work is astrike and I gotta do mine.
There's not this sound a bellthat it's time to start chomping
on you guys.
So think about these bills youwant to pass.
It could come back to fightjuniors oh, there you have it,
(16:36):
george.
British Guy (16:37):
These sharks mean business.
I for one will not be surfingin Montauk anytime soon.
Back to you.
George Scocca (16:46):
George, my good friend, great angler and also
pretty good photographer, paulPaluzzo.
Are you doing George good?
How you doing Paul?
Paul Peluso (16:56):
very good, very good good, good.
George Scocca (16:58):
So I you know, I kind of follow you around on
Facebook.
You're definitely a Facebookerand haha, you know you always
manage to catch fish.
I see out there early in theseason.
You surf fishing.
You catch them bad straightaway in the spring and you sure
as heck get out a lot, and someof your photos with the whales
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and all have been pretty amazingover the last few years.
So I wanted to talk to youabout a couple of things.
One is how do you see thefishing?
How would you categorize thefishing in your area there in
Meritch's Bay and in that wholespot?
Paul Peluso (17:38):
Well, right now in Meritch's the fishing is should
start to light up really goodthe next coming weeks,
especially in the first twoweeks of October.
Last night I was out on my boatand I was over here by Union
Avenue and Ocean Avenue and thebunker the peanut bunkers were
leaving the canals.
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There was like pod after podgoing towards the inlet and I'm
like, oh boy, this is going tolight everything up outside.
So I'm hoping that we get areally good full run on the
stripers and the bluefish.
Fluking right now seems to bereally good.
A lot of keepers to ratioReally To shorts, yeah, right
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around the inlet area, right inthe back in the east cut, in the
west cut.
Wow, last week I had like twoor three keepers in like an hour
.
I was amazed.
I don't fluke that much becauseit used to be sea robin, sea
robin and I just couldn't dealwith that.
George Scocca (18:35):
But right now at the end of the season I don't
know exactly when it ends, butthe guys are out there every day
and they've captured some goodsize fluke, yeah well there was
a time years ago when MaritiusBay was one of the that and
North Forkwood kind of the bestareas to fluke and to find fluke
and I don't know if you knowthat I used to keep a boat over
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there for years.
I was at Center Island, yachtand then.
But I also used to keep my boatat the Alma.
I don't know if you rememberthe Alma fleet, but Ronnie Alma,
I used to keep my boat overthere and you know I mean the
fluke in there was fantastic.
But I can remember like as whenI got out of there, I remember
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going there on a Sunday andsaying I could walk from one end
that is bay to the other on theboats.
There was so many boats in thebay, you know, and you're
hooking fish in three, four footof water.
Sometimes they go flying overthe other side of the boat, you
know.
Paul Peluso (19:34):
That was what the problem was.
I think so many people fishedthis area since I was a little
kid.
I've been here since the let'ssee 1968.
So I've been, you know, livinghere in Shirley and Mastic and
Santa Maritius area.
But I've seen, like you said,boats where you could walk on
them, and then everybody used tobe a clammer in the 70s.
George Scocca (19:54):
And so.
Paul Peluso (19:55):
I'm out of the bay.
I think that had a lot to dowith why a lot of the fish, the
population, dropped becauseeverything lived off of the
clams the clams clean the waterthat's a good point.
The fish ate the clams and theyhad everywhere to go and it was
fantastic.
George Scocca (20:09):
Remember that flounder fishing over there.
Oh, oh, my God that was thebest.
Paul Peluso (20:14):
The best in New York when we were kids like two
or three at a time.
George Scocca (20:18):
And.
But big ones, big ones overthere.
Paul Peluso (20:20):
And the blowfish and everything.
When I was a kid it wasfantastic.
We caught weak fish, blowfish,fluke, flounder, you name it.
George Scocca (20:27):
Now you're seeing kind of fish we weren't used to
right Sheep's head andlaffyettes and all kinds of
species we'd never seen before,but it is what it is.
So hey, tell me about.
You seem to always manage to bearound whales, like you get
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some really good pictures ofwhales and some of them.
It amazes me how these whalesare like what, maybe 50 or 100
yards off the beach and nobodythe people on the beach aren't
even looking at the time.
Paul Peluso (21:01):
I'm like what are they taking?
Sometimes they do Sometimes,like there was one about a
couple of weeks ago where I wasright in front of Smith Point
and he was he or she, I don'tknow what kind of whale it was
it was about a 30 footer andthis humpback whale was just
coming up right near the shorein 10 feet of water.
Wow, and the reason they'redoing this is these, the pods of
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bunker.
The amount of bunker that we'reseeing in the last couple of
years went from next to nothingto almost all year round.
Almost any time I go outside inthe ocean there's pods of
bunker, which that never was 10,12, 15 years ago and it came in
in June and then it came in inthe fall, but now it's all
season long.
We got the sharks and thebluefin tuna was running through
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it.
I mean, I'm talking a couplehundred pound tunas blasting
these pods of bunkers.
My friends are getting aerialvideos of these bluefin tuna, of
the sharks attacking the bunkerpods, and that's why the people
are getting bit.
The bait is so close to shorethat the whales come in.
I guess they come in from wayout, I don't guess 30, 40 miles,
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wherever they live, they comeall the way in.
They eat the bunker, they do acouple of jumps, lunch feeding.
Sometimes they get happy andthey fly out of the water.
Then they go back and peopleare wondering why a lot of these
whales are dying If they'recrossing a lot of these shipping
lanes and they're getting hitby these big boats.
I mean, everyone thinks it'sthe windmills.
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I mean I don't know how awindmill would be the same to
sonar.
It's not going to sonar off ofthe whales, but there's no
science that's showing that mostof these whales are getting hit
by boats.
I could see that they arecalling pretty close to shore.
I mean, even the regularanglers like me.
We see the whales.
I keep a distance of about 100yards from them.
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I have a very good camera.
It has a 300-millimeter zoomand I can get close sometimes.
One time me and my wife this wastwo, three weeks ago we had the
boat on off and we were justsitting.
I saw this whale and it came upand all of a sudden it
disappeared and they stayed downfor about three minutes and you
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could just about count theseconds off.
All of a sudden she comes backup.
So she's right here again.
So we just stayed there.
She was diving down on thebottom and I don't know what was
down there, but you could seeit marked on the screen and she
would eat whatever.
She wouldn't come right back up, so we just sat there.
Yeah, came within, I'll say, 25feet of the boat, in the front
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of the boat.
So she just came up very slowand just there, they are an
amazing animal.
Yeah, I really love them.
I mean, they are, it's there,just awesome.
Now, most of the ones I'mseeing are like the size of my
boat 30 footers but every oncein a while you'll get the mama
and the papa.
The 60 footers come through,they are amazing.
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Yeah, those are those.
You say holy Jesus when theycome by your boat.
And that twice the size of yourboat.
George Scocca (24:05):
you're kind of like you're a little
intimidating right, yeah, yeah,I'll tell you.
Paul Peluso (24:08):
Most of the time, if you stay and you keep your
distance with them and you kindof watch the way that they're
going especially in the shallowwater you could see their tail
moving so you could see.
If they're heading east, you goparallel with them.
Don't cross their path.
If they're going west, they dothe same thing.
Whatever way they're going, Itry to just keep a distance and
stay away with them and figureout where they're going to pop
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up next and you see another partof bunker.
Go over to that part of bunker.
Don't go in it, becausesometimes they lunchfeed and
that you know.
I've seen videos where theycame very close to hitting
people's boats or landing onthem or you know stuff like that
.
George Scocca (24:44):
It's it's that one guy got sucked in.
Paul Peluso (24:48):
Imagine he jumped into.
George Scocca (24:49):
I mean, I'm done with that guy.
He jumps into a ball of baitwhen there's freaking whales
everywhere, right, all of asudden, the next thing he knows
he's in a whale.
Well, no kidding.
I mean, how stupid could you be?
I don't know.
I'm going to tell you a funnywhale story, right?
So I'm in Alaska at TannacoolLodge, your choice, if you want
to go to Alaska, and it was, youknow, like it never really gets
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dark there until like I don'tknow two, three in the morning
and your toast from fish, andall day you kind of shot, you
had a couple of drinks.
So one of the mates it's like10 o'clock and a mate goes hey,
have you ever taken a look atthe whales at night?
So we're like no, me, my friendSteve and the other people that
were there.
So come on, let's go.
We're going to go take a ride.
(25:34):
I'm like all right.
So I think we're going down onone of the you know 30, 40 foot
boats that he had there.
But we go down there and we getin like this wooden dinghy that
has like a 15 horsepower tiller, right, and this kid was, he
definitely had too many, youknow.
So first thing I do.
Now, you know, you go in thewater.
There it's freaking 48 degrees,you don't have a long time.
(25:57):
So so like, are you sure thisis safe?
Don't worry, I do it all thetime.
I'm like we're to preserve, wedon't need preserve, we just go
right there.
I'm like, oh, my God.
So we get out and I'm tellingyou Plot.
This is no exaggeration.
I could have reached out andtouched one of the.
There were whales everywhere.
There's whales all over theplace there, so to find them is
(26:18):
nothing.
But literally one of them cameup.
That blowhole went and I feltlike I was on the movie, like
Moby Dick.
I'm like, holy Jesus, I'm likeI can get me out of here.
And you know what they werelaughing at.
I didn't think it was funny atall.
I'm like what if the thingmakes a mistake?
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Noxious in the water.
Anyway, yeah, they are prettyamazing.
I won't take you to task on onething, though.
It is the windmills.
British Guy (26:46):
So one day I'm going to prove that to you.
George Scocca (26:51):
It's the sonar and the reason they are getting
hit.
Now you have look I don't wantto get into the whole thing, but
you had 72 whales.
British Guy (27:00):
now that have died Right, 72.
George Scocca (27:03):
Have you ever heard that in your life?
No, no.
Paul Peluso (27:06):
And I looked at the years and they had the amount
of them and sometimes you couldsee 20, 30, 40, whatever.
George Scocca (27:13):
Never like this, and it all started years ago.
It started actually in 2017.
Everybody blames thisadministration, but it's yeah
sure they support it.
But the thing is, this has beenin the works for a long time.
You don't just put up 3000Eiffel towers in the ocean
without planning it for a long,long time.
(27:33):
Anyway, those that sonar isthrowing them off.
I spoke to a scientist I hope tohave the podcast down a couple
of weeks and he, like he's, hasproof that the they're using
sounds that they're not allowedto use.
So, anyway, what are they doingwith these sounds?
Why would the hell would theybe using?
So here's what they do.
(27:54):
They look for everything'sabout money, right?
So when you got to build one ofthese things, the shorter it is
, the less it costs.
So they go around looking forhigh peaks and high peaks so
they don't have to build it sohigh.
I know I know too much about it.
So, and you, of all people, youare going to be sick when this
(28:15):
thing goes up.
I don't know if you've seenphotos or what it's going to
look like, but they will.
They have industrialized theocean and the sad part is, I
tell you, paul, nobody in NewYork is doing anything about it.
New Jersey they already havelawsuits in place.
Massachusetts they're sellingthem.
Everybody else has somethinggoing on except us.
(28:35):
We're just watching it happen.
But that seemed to quiet down,though Thank God, I mean yeah,
they just had one the other day,so we now 73 and that one I
don't know if you saw the photoof it, but it was.
It's floating right next to thestanchion.
That no, yeah.
Paul Peluso (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, so that's when I saw was on the
beach and they buried it.
George Scocca (28:56):
Yeah, no, this, this one is floating and again,
I'm not arguing ship strikes,but hey, look, you know it's
funny people.
People are fun because you know, like you was saying, about the
Beat.
So the reason New York has thewhales is because we have the
beat.
Jersey doesn't have thesewhales on their coast.
You know what cuz?
There's no bait there.
We, we protected our beat andbut if you think back, there was
(29:19):
a time you can get a freakingrobo go out and kill whales.
So this you know, we, we killedall the whales for the oil or
whatever right now.
Paul Peluso (29:28):
Well, what they stopped us to protection started
1965.
That was right years ago when Iwas born exactly.
Now there's hundreds ofthousands of them.
I don't know how many humpbackwhales there are, but supposedly
they all travel up north to goto Nova Scotia somewhere, up to
eat the krill, and then theymake their way back down yeah
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and the fall, and go down to thesouthern waters to have babies.
So it's kind of neat.
I mean that's why a lot of themare passing by like on this day
today, in two and 2020.
I had a really, really goodwhale.
He was Right over here off ofWest Hampton and he was lunch
feeding in the bunker pods and Ididn't get out this morning.
I was gonna go.
George Scocca (30:08):
But that, a couple things to do, but yeah,
well, you had a podcast to doright.
Paul Peluso (30:13):
Yeah, well, that and a couple other things I got
to do later, so I didn't get achance to run out.
So let me get you missing agreat day of pictures out there.
George Scocca (30:21):
Oh, I'm sure.
So let me get your take on thehealth of the striped bass
fishery.
I'm curious what, what youthink.
I've been asking a lot of guysand I'm hearing different things
you know, so I'm curious youknow what you've seen in
comparison to other years?
Paul Peluso (30:40):
When we first started chasing those striped
bass around here, I'll say inthe early 2000s, I would catch a
lot of bass in the bay.
I'm talking in the numbers oflike 20 to 30.
George Scocca (30:53):
I was fishing there then, actually at the same
time we were catching and mostof the most of them were 36
inches plus well, it was 36inches then, right, I'm telling
you they were.
Oh, I have them.
Paul Peluso (31:05):
I had to make my unit 36 inches, because if you
didn't, you had that mono onthere, because I didn't even
have braid at that time.
Oh the tail would whack themono and it would bust off and
you would lose your fish we usedto drag life.
George Scocca (31:19):
Found it through that inlet oh.
Paul Peluso (31:21):
God, I never.
I never did that.
Oh yeah yeah, the bunker forsure, but we never did.
Though I never hooked a liveflounder, I caught one.
George Scocca (31:31):
That was a miracle, so I well, you know
what happened one time.
I was there fishing that inletand I saw all these flounder on
top of the water like swimming.
Yeah, I'm like what the hell?
Why are they up?
And then also I've seen hisbass come up and eat one, and at
the time I forget what thelimit was.
It was a small flounder and Iwas like I gotta try it and it
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became pretty popular.
I'm sure a lot of people havedone it.
Do you remember the?
Paul Peluso (31:58):
Steve Petrie that Petrie fish he used to have.
George Scocca (32:00):
I swear I still have one.
Paul Peluso (32:02):
I have one too.
I used to throw that thing inthe inlet and I'm telling you it
used to work.
I used to love that thing.
I can't find it.
He had a small one too, andthat's.
I haven't both.
I still have them.
I called them up one time.
This is several years ago.
Do you have any more of those?
He's like no, I stopped makingthem.
I'm like oh man.
George Scocca (32:21):
Yeah, he was good friends of my brother Phil,
yeah.
Paul Peluso (32:23):
Yeah, I used to see him at the shows.
I would always ask him whenhe's like yeah, you're the only
one that's still asked aboutthat fish.
Because, exactly you said, yousee the flounder on top of the
water in the inlet and thestriped bass are trying to mouth
them and coming up and they'regoing around them and I would
throw that thing in there and Iwould catch the striped bass.
It was crazy.
George Scocca (32:41):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because you mentioned
Laura's had come back.
I'm thinking about the mojospoon, right, think about the
spoons that we had 30 years ago.
They were the same.
I mean, I look at them, I haveone of the old ones, wow.
And yeah, I don't know why Ikeep.
I keep a lot of my old stuff.
Paul Peluso (33:02):
I'm probably never gonna use it, me too.
I like that too.
George Scocca (33:04):
I keep it, I keep it.
Paul Peluso (33:05):
I'll keep it forever, yeah.
George Scocca (33:07):
So, but yeah, that's funny.
Now Everybody's using them, youknow, and but anyway, so so
you're so.
So what do you think of thestriped bass fishery now?
I agree, back then it was sizeright.
Paul Peluso (33:20):
The size has gone down and the amount in this bay
right here in Mauritius has gonedown dramatically.
Outside, though, on the bunkerpods the fish.
You see they've gotten Gigantic, where most of the fish you hit
out there are 30 pounders to 50pounders Right, and if you
catch it right, you could, youcould, you can now several of
them right.
So we're going from like 28 to28 pounds.
(33:44):
You know this.
George Scocca (33:46):
Yeah, the way they're managing the fishery is
for us to eventually have asmall fish fishery, because
that's what that's what thecommercials want and they
figured out keep us busy andwe'll be fine with that.
We're not allowed to keep a bigfish anymore.
British Guy (34:02):
No.
George Scocca (34:03):
So little bit at a time they're gonna take that
away.
Yeah, I know, look I'm.
You know I'm a conservationist.
Well, I'm not gonna say youknow that, but I mean I've
always fought for striped bass.
I didn't agree with with theway they went around reducing
the slot and calling anemergency and all that stuff.
You know I'm a believer.
(34:24):
Go back to one fish at whateversize you want to make it.
Make it 32 inches, one at 32and over, and you know a lot of
people look, nobody likes thelook of her 50 pound bass
hanging right, but yeah, but thetruth is that bass has Produced
a lot of fish already, and howmuch longer does it have to live
(34:44):
?
Well, aren't we better offprotecting the smaller one so
they could spawn three, four,five, ten times, whatever.
Paul Peluso (34:51):
Anyway, yeah, I think they should protect them
all, believe it or not.
And you know, maybe a coupleyears of putting them as game
fish and they'll be back allover the place.
It worked in the 80s and Icouldn't believe the amount of
fish that used to be in herebecause nobody really targeted
them anymore and you know itwent down dramatically.
I do see it coming back thelast couple of years.
(35:12):
We seem to see a few more thanusual and, like the the week
fish did are showing up.
You know, people actuallycatching them again.
They seem to be pretty easy.
But I'm kind of glad and to seeRobin's went down and I know
you know what it's funny.
George Scocca (35:27):
You say that Because I see that even on a
North Shore where, where I fish,it's traditionally paved, you
know there are a lot of searobins around and you know we'll
get them like two, three poundsover here in the North Shore,
but, um, this year they weren'ta heck of a lot of them.
That there weren't a lot offluke either, I mean, they were
fluke, but they weren't.
We don't.
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We don't get them the way weused to it.
You know I do.
The sound is like this biggiant Bay and a little bit at a
time I'm.
What's happening here hashappened in every Bay in Great
South Bay, it happened in inMarich's Bay.
I mean, the cut helped Marich'sBay.
Paul Peluso (36:05):
Dramatically.
Oh, that thing cleared out thewater.
I brought back a lot of fishand a lot of.
Fire island needs one of those,I mean that brown tide that
used to be in here, althoughright now, from the last
hurricane, the Bay was still alittle brown, it's still a
little mixed up.
Yeah, I hope it clears out sothat we could get some really
good top water fishing next week.
(36:25):
So what's going on?
George Scocca (36:26):
So years ago, when I had my boat there, I
would fish, a spot was in theWest Cut and they called it the
onion sack.
Sharky (36:34):
I don't know yeah.
George Scocca (36:35):
I don't know if you're familiar with that area.
Paul Peluso (36:36):
But oh, definitely the thing is gone.
But yes, they did.
I remember that little onionsack thing that was there, yeah,
so I would set up anchor inthere.
George Scocca (36:44):
Everybody thought I was nuts and because it was
like you know, there's like thatbar there that builds up and
and everybody be passing by me,headed out going fish.
You know, coming back fromfishing, I'm like they're just
running over all of these bassand I would cast Lord Chet from
B&B tackle God rest his soul.
He, he taught me that fisheryand I would anchor and I would
(37:07):
throw Bombers and you would seethose fish come running sideways
.
I so wish we had video andcameras back then.
I mean, wow, oh, those were,those were great days.
So so you seem to agree withpretty much everyone that
there's like this gap in thefishery.
I don't know too many peoplethat get too many keepers.
(37:30):
I mean, you know it's.
They're targeting one yearclass.
I believe it's the 2015 yearclass.
So because that was supposedlythe good, why a wine number?
I young of the year, but good.
But you know, I don't know, Idon't know.
I don't think they're that goodthat they can just pick and
choose.
They just got to pick a number.
Let's make it one over 32, witha good season, and let
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everybody take a freaking fishto eat.
I don't understand that again.
So let me ask you this whatabout?
What about bluefish over there?
Have you, you guys, have youbeen inundated with blues?
Paul Peluso (38:06):
I would all of well , no, no no, this, this is what
this could be.
The other issue which I I thinkused to happen now the bluefish
used to be so thick over herethat the whole month of
September, yeah, I couldn't geta bass because I couldn't get
through the bluefish and Iremember going on to have videos
and pitches of I can't tell youhow many bluefish we would
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catch and they would rattle up,they would ball up the bait into
like Pots and remain reallytight ones and attack it and
make all of the blood andeverything come into the water
and the bass would be underneathor around it or whatever, and
they would scoop up all the restof the stuff.
So yeah, without the bluefishCorralling a lot of this stuff
(38:49):
up, the bass sometimes come, youknow they like that.
The bunker pods get spread outfrom storm, they willy-nilly.
You'll see them here and you'llsee one there, but no
concentration of them where youcould.
You know right, one or tworight off of the pod.
So it last couple years thatwas a pain in the neck.
But the bluefish, you know, ifyou don't catch them in the
first week of May when theyfirst come through here in the
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day, you know those big gorillas.
George Scocca (39:12):
Oh yeah.
Paul Peluso (39:13):
They disappear.
And then you know, now theythey're catching the snappers
right now.
The kids are all, they're allaround the docks.
George Scocca (39:18):
Yes, you know, the sound is loaded with big
bluefish and.
I'm talking about, you know, Ithink the the WICC winner this
year.
I think it was a 20 pound fishwhich was the first time in like
forever since I can remember.
Paul Peluso (39:35):
I'm just as go wow.
George Scocca (39:39):
Yeah, that's a pretty big fish.
You know that things get a kickyour butt.
I had a kid on the podcast lastweek and this kid paddlefish,
paddleboard fishes right, that'slike a new thing now.
And he's, yeah, and he hookedup.
He thought he hooked up on abass or but he was in a bluefish
Tournament.
Sorry, thought he had abluefish.
He had like a seven foot shark.
(40:02):
That thing comes up next to thepaddleboard.
I'm like this kid is out of hismind.
I had him on, I had him a goodhe.
You know good kid you can tellconservationist kind of kid.
You want fishing, so so, sowhat are your plans now?
As far as a full, you don'treally do a lot of black fish in
or sea bass, do you?
Paul Peluso (40:23):
know, not really.
I'm not really good atanchoring up on the wrecks, to
be honest with you.
You know what?
What my boat?
I rather just I'm more of aRun-and-gun type of fisherman
like I love to chase the Albees,like that's my.
Like that, yeah, you hit themright in shore on a little 4000
real and you're in.
You're in for a really goodfight.
The lines is ripping out, youknow.
George Scocca (40:45):
So do me a favor, tell how are you?
I'm gonna take it away.
I do.
I use a 2500, right?
I use a 20 pound braid tied toa 10 pound Floreau and I throw
the smallest deadly dick that Icould find and I crank it as
hard as I can like across thetop.
Paul Peluso (41:06):
Yeah, I do the same thing, but I have 30 pound test
.
I usually use a full 1000because I have a whole bunch of
them right and I try to get uplike if they're coming like
towards me, I try to get aheadof them and cast it at them and
really that seems to be theeasiest.
George Scocca (41:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know the best feeling is
when you see that one peel offyou have to see that.
Sharky (41:25):
Oh my god you go.
George Scocca (41:26):
Okay, you know you see him peel off and he's
going at it.
You know that that, to me, isone of the best rushes in all
fishing.
No, it's actually the way Ilike freshwater fishing.
Paul Peluso (41:38):
So Because I get that a lot in fresh water this
one.
I still have the vision of theAlbee.
I use this very small little Algags popper I don't know where
I got it's old and I usually seehim at the shows.
They're basically giving themaway.
Nobody wants these little tinypoppers and we rose out in
Montauk and casted it out tothis, to the pot of Albe's, and
(42:01):
I'm reeling it in and I couldstill see the Albee this big
With the biggest Albee I have.
A court out of the watercrashes into the.
I knelt it was.
It was on Adrian's boat,captain Adrian's boat, and then
Angelo Paluso was with us.
This, this Albee.
I should have probably took itin and waited, but you know we
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throw them all back.
Sharky (42:23):
Yeah.
Paul Peluso (42:25):
Way over 10 pounds.
It was awesome I caught on thislittle plug.
I always keep them on my boatjust just in case they get
really crazy.
Yeah, but you could get them ona popper, but I always have.
You have to have a little whiteTreble on the back with the
head.
George Scocca (42:39):
I would think you're gonna need something
small like that because I mean,that's the only way that I have
ever been able to catch them.
And then you know likesometimes you know they they
show and they kind of stay, butso often they chase and bait all
over the place they pop up.
You had a pop of the run overand then I know all of a sudden
they pop up.
We just move.
(43:00):
You're like I should havestayed there, you know.
Paul Peluso (43:03):
But if you watch it , sometimes they do a circle.
If you do stay there, they comeback.
George Scocca (43:08):
I agree, I agree with you.
It's funny to say that becauseI did notice a pattern a couple
years ago.
I'm like I wonder if I stay.
And I and it did, but it didn'twork the next time I went.
Paul Peluso (43:19):
But yeah, that's fishing for you every time you
think you figure about it.
George Scocca (43:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, um, let me uh, if you were.
So I got a friend of mine, he'sgot a nice, he's got a 31
stiger somewhere over there inMarietta's and he's not the most
successful fishman.
He's a good fishman but he'snot great.
So what would you?
I suggest that he be the what.
(43:47):
What should he be targetingfrom here right now?
Paul Peluso (43:50):
Yeah, right now, right there's very moment.
There the bass and the bluefishshould start to show up again.
The albisa should be out theretoo.
I know they're getting them inMontauk.
I know they're getting them outeast.
I did see them here a weekbefore the hurricane.
I by the time I wasn't.
I was playing with a whale withmy wife that one.
I came up really close to theboat and all of a sudden these
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albees pumped up.
I had nothing really ready, soby the time I picked up all my
stuff and got it going, theywere, but I did see him.
I did run out the next day.
George Scocca (44:20):
Nothing, I know they were to the west because I
was fishing South to Jones andwhen we were floating there were
guys killing them.
They were freaking everywhereyou know.
Yeah.
Paul Peluso (44:32):
I'm doing really good in Montauk now on the
albees and the, the best stripedbass.
I see that guy, steve Missy,he's been catching him again.
George Scocca (44:42):
Do me a favor, let's get back to so.
Let's say the guy's green andyou know he can get whatever he
wants, whatever you want livebait.
Paul Peluso (44:51):
If you could get live bait, if you could catch it
, or you could buy the spot fromthat guy over here in Tom
Corselli.
He's got his little spots overhere and I think it's in the
hearts, cold Marina.
I'm not sure which one he's in,I forget, but he's got those,
those live baits.
If you could get them on a hookand get them down in the inlet,
you know.
So what are they?
(45:12):
Peanuts?
We're gonna catch a peanuts.
I love peanuts.
Peanuts is great right now.
Yeah, you know, speaking aboutlive bait, that's what me and
Gil used to do.
We would go around, we net thepeanuts or the bunker, the adult
bunker, and we go drift throughthe inland or over by the
breakers that used to be histhing and a bunch of those
peanuts, and you go right overto the corner of the breakers
(45:34):
when they weren't crazy.
When the breakers, you know,two or three foot, it gets a
little crazy.
You don't want to play in there.
George Scocca (45:40):
Yeah, it's one in there, and hold two seconds,
the thing is gone, yeah, so Nowthat, now that you mention it,
for those of you folks listening, I met Paul, as well as so many
people I still see and speakwith, through my website,
norriscom.
It was literally like the firstwebsite ever.
(46:02):
There was no Facebook oranything in those days and we,
we managed, we put together somecrew I mean I look on Facebook
now and everyone is stillfriends and they all met through
Norris.
Then there was one one guythere who you all friends with.
We all managed to get the fishwith him every now, you know, at
least once or twice or whatever, and he was the alcoholic Gill
(46:27):
hubs, and he was, sadly, gillwent through a tough time, but
let me tell you he was a warriorand he ended up.
He passed away, he died of thesame deadly horrible disease and
my brother died of.
And you know my memories of gillway.
He was always a great guy,always fun.
You know nothing.
I never saw him with all theall the shit that goes on On on
(46:52):
websites and especially norris,than the day.
You know he never, never, youknow, responded, retaliated, you
know, in any way, and he was agreat guy.
And so, paul, so oh, and Ithink I mentioned to you.
All the years I'm fishing withmy son, I mentioned to him about
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gill and he goes.
Oh, he goes.
You know, I I still that's.
You know, I have my personalbest on his boat and I was like
what you know, like I kind offorgot it, and he goes.
Yeah, remember I had that30-something pound of my son, he
had me maybe 10.
And yeah, so those I have manymemories of Gil and I'm sure
(47:34):
you'd like to say a few wordsabout him.
Paul Peluso (47:36):
Oh, definitely he was the main guy that used to do
live bait over here.
If you wanted to catch a bigfish, live bait is the way to go
.
And he was the master atfinding out where these bunker
were, no matter what time of theyear.
Even when they leave the canalsand they disappear, he still
knew where they were.
I mean, this was before therewas pods outside.
We could just go and snag acouple and run back to the inlet
(47:59):
.
They were being these littlecoves up the thing and he would
be like there they are rightthere and I'd be like where,
right there, I can't.
He said I'm telling you they'reright there, throws a net, boom,
we get a whole bunch of bunker,go to the inlet and we were
catching big-sized striped bassall the time.
He always caught the bait.
He would go out extra earlyespecially if he had people on
his boat, like three o'clock inthe morning, just to make sure
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that he got that live bait andthat those people were going to
catch some really deep and sizefish.
He was a man at that stuff.
He was a really good guy.
We did a lot of fishing side byside for years over here, so
I'm going to really miss him.
He was a good friend.
We did Florida trips togetherand caught some big tarpon.
George Scocca (48:43):
Yeah, I saw those photos, I was like hey.
I'm jealous of you guys.
Paul Peluso (48:47):
His brother, warren , put together a trip for us
that was unbelievable.
We had five days of fishing.
It was nonstop.
George Scocca (48:54):
That's great.
Paul Peluso (48:56):
I don't know how he did it and the cost, how he put
it together.
I was glad that they invited meto go.
George Scocca (49:03):
Yeah, really I know that feeling.
I went through a little bad ofit myself, but luckily I came
out on the good side.
Paul Peluso (49:15):
People, go for those screenings, man, that
those things are very important.
A lot of people of our age.
They don't do anything and then, oh, that guy's gone.
That guy's gone.
I had a friend.
He just died two days ago.
Michael Lee, sorry, he had ananswer too.
I know Great guy.
He's a family man.
You would never think anythingwas wrong with the guy.
Happiest guy ever.
(49:36):
He got cancer.
George Scocca (49:37):
It's a big, long battle, like Gil, look we're all
going to miss Gil and I know Imissed a good old days in Norway
.
You guys kind of make it up onFacebook but I can't.
You see me.
I'm on there very rare, maybeonce a week.
I get on Facebook and I checkhow everybody's doing.
(49:59):
I mean I'll probably get intoit a little bit more.
Only Kusty, new York Angler,kind of, is asking for it.
But we're growing over there.
I love the group.
There's a lot of the guys therethat used to be on Norris.
It's cool.
Paul Peluso (50:15):
It's kind of a it's nice that it's the people's
names too.
They all got their own namesback.
It's not the alcoholic, it'sGil Hubbs.
Yeah right, exactly.
You know who the hell you'retalking to.
Sometimes you have no idea, ohGod.
George Scocca (50:30):
It's still that way, right no?
Paul Peluso (50:33):
but at least you can see their names.
Oh, this is Carrie.
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I know that.
George Scocca (50:39):
But look, I don't know if you saw so last week
and everybody's busting my ballsabout two weeks ago.
Now this is the third time thishas happened to me.
So somebody sends me a notesaying that your account is
hacked.
Everybody thinks that I washacked.
It's not hacked.
The guy somebody made up a copyof me.
They go, they take his shit offthe site or from Facebook and
(51:02):
then they make their own page.
Then they go and they looksomehow they can see your
friends list or whatever, andthey contact all your friends
and ask them to sign up withthem and then the next thing you
know now it's pictures.
I have no idea this ishappening.
People think I'm asking themfor money.
So I get a phone call and it'sa friend of mine who goes.
(51:25):
You know, george, if you werein bad shape, you know you'd
give me a call.
I go what are you talking about?
He goes well, why would youever go on Facebook asking for
$5,000?
I go what are you talking about?
So he talks.
So I look at the post and it'sme Well, it looks like me right
and saying that I got hurt andthat I don't have the right
(51:48):
medical coverage and I need$5,000 to get this work done and
I'm like I'm looking at thisthing.
I mean, facebook took it downpretty quick, you know.
But so those are my experienceson the?
Paul Peluso (52:01):
Yeah, you got to watch that.
You just got to watch who yourfriend?
Yeah, some of these people arecrazy hackers.
I don't even know what you know.
Like you said, they're tryingto get money out of people.
I had that same similar thingbut didn't ask for money.
George Scocca (52:12):
But some guy none of that happened on Norris
right, you know they just calledevery name on to the sun and
would threaten you.
Remember, remember good oldJack Cohen, oh my God.
He started out as Megalodon andthen we had some great guys.
Come on, I'm the best one who Iwish I tell his dad, I don't
(52:34):
know who it is.
Who is the professional?
Paul Peluso (52:36):
Exactly, I want him on my podcast every single week
.
Who is the professional?
I will tell you about it.
George Scocca (52:48):
But you know what ?
We couldn't be as good as him.
That's the problem.
I actually went on Norrisreading some of the stuff and
I'm like I wonder if I can getsomebody to do something like
that.
But you can't.
That has to be in you, you know.
Paul Peluso (53:01):
Yeah, I don't know who it was.
I never found out, so I don'tknow if Glenn knows who it is.
No, he thinks he knows, but hewon't even tell me.
He's wrong on my side.
He doesn't know.
George Scocca (53:13):
Yeah, that's what I said.
He's going to be listening tothis, Glenn.
All right, Glenn, we know.
You know who the professionalis you better?
Come clean there, mr Dutton,give it up.
That was the best storytelleron the face of the planet.
If he had a YouTube channelback then, oh my God, that was
so great.
Paul Peluso (53:31):
I fished it hard for two hours At the bottom oh
yeah, yeah, he's really.
George Scocca (53:42):
He was great, but anyway, we're never going to
know who it is.
But kind of like we're nevergoing to find out where Hoppers
buried.
Same thing.
Paul Peluso (53:51):
No, there was a bunch of characters.
They were all good.
A lot of the guys were good.
Remember, we just have thebarbecues and we'd go to the
beach and everyone would show up.
Oh yeah, they mojo from fromNew York, he's still with me on
New York, england.
George Scocca (54:03):
Mojo's there.
Oh, he is the best man, him andhis wife.
He's got a video up there.
You would die laughing.
He gets, he gets boarded by DEC, right.
So they pull up to the boat andhe whips out this freaking
stack of cards and they're allbusiness cards of different DEC
(54:25):
offices and he's showing them tothe guy.
Right, what after the next?
And the guy goes what do youcollect these?
He was like no, I know, bobbygot the blouse and Joey, this
guy and that guy and I'm tellingyou, man, that guy couldn't
wait to get out of there.
He just he was like I can'ttake my card.
I got to go, you know.
But all right, paul, look, thishas been great, and you and I,
(54:50):
we all got to get together.
One day I'm going to get thatNorris crew back together.
We're going to do one of those,one of those crazy charters.
Paul Peluso (54:58):
That would be great .
I'd like to do anotherblackfish trip.
That was that's when I used togo.
I was with the best we went on.
Those, those were the, thosewere the good days.
George Scocca (55:07):
With Desi.
Paul Peluso (55:08):
Yeah, I just saw Desi the other day.
I saw him at the Bradstock overhere.
Oh nice In years.
Yeah, he got married.
I didn't even know he gotmarried.
George Scocca (55:16):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Well, he's on Facebook, I wouldthink.
Paul Peluso (55:20):
I didn't see.
Sometimes, if you don't, youknow, like the things that don't
show up in your field.
George Scocca (55:26):
Yeah, I don't even know I haven't seen her in
years.
Paul Peluso (55:28):
Yeah, I ran into him I was like Desi, oh yeah,
he's doing well.
George Scocca (55:32):
You know he had a little health care too, but
he's great now.
So that's what he told me.
So, anyway, all right.
So it's a go, look for the bassand the blues, and the Alps
should be showing any day.
We're going to.
We got a rough weekend comingup.
It's going to blow.
They said it over the weekend.
British Guy (55:47):
I think it's going to turn on next week.
George Scocca (55:50):
I think it's really going to turn on.
Paul Peluso (55:52):
That's what I got on my reports.
It was like the 25th on,everything went crazy.
George Scocca (55:56):
Yeah.
Paul Peluso (55:57):
So hopefully you will see what's going on.
I wish I was out there rightnow, so All right?
George Scocca (56:02):
Hey, look, make sure you stop by New
YorkAnglercom when you get achance.
And for those of you that don'tknow Paul, we used to call him
Pablo.
That's how we'd know Everybody.
Sharky (56:13):
And did they still call you yet?
George Scocca (56:15):
Oh, okay.
Paul Peluso (56:16):
I stopped because.
I thought they know me as Paul,they know me as Pablo.
George Scocca (56:22):
That's great, that.
That was the beauty of Norris.
So, all right, hey look, thanksagain.
It was great speaking with youand we definitely got to do it
again.
Paul Peluso (56:31):
Anytime, I'll let you know.
You'll see my pictures and theofficials when I'm catching them
.
Oh, you know what?
George Scocca (56:35):
Yeah, you know what, before we go, make sure
you send me some kind ofpictures or something so I can
get it to the podcast.
Paul Peluso (56:42):
Sure, whatever.
Whatever one you want, just letme know.
George Scocca (56:47):
Send me a well, and you would have put an actual
fish.
You got it All right, brother.
I'll talk to you again soon andthanks a million.
No problem, thanks, george, allright, well, that wraps it up,
folks.
I'd like you all for tuning in.
Please subscribe to thispodcast, reach out to me at
georgeonmyanglercom or go toanglercom and feel free to ask
(57:10):
me any question you like.
Next week we're going to have areally good show.
We have a new weekly guest.
His name is Joey Guggen andyou're all going to love him.
You've all met someone justlike him before in the past and
I'm looking forward tointroducing him to our listeners
(57:32):
.
I'm also going to have on TimRegan.
You have him and my other goodfriend over at the Fish Guy.
Photos provide us with some ofthe most unbelievable marine
photography we've ever seen,ever in the history of this
state beyond a doubt.
(57:53):
So yeah, I'm going to have himmyself.
I know I'm going to be askingabout a drone.
I want to get my own drone andhe seems to be a really good.
I mean, doesn't seem to be.
He's excellent.
So tune in next week.
Thanks again, please subscribeI appreciate all the support and
get out and enjoy this fullfishery right after this big
(58:16):
blow coming.
Things are going to really turnon over the next few weeks.
Thanks again for listening.
Until next time.
God bless America.
Hello, all this is George Scocca and you're
listening to the New YorkFishing Podcast.
So as the push moves on for asole water fishing license here
in New York State, I've beendoing a little dig in trying to
find out different things aboutdifferent things that are said,
(00:22):
and I was really surprised thisweek when I was able to get
numbers on Wallop Pro.
Nowadays, with all this AIstuff, you can find just about
anything at any given time.
So I'm checking it out and youknow, like part of this license
(00:47):
issue is they claim that we willget more money from the federal
government through the WallopPro tax, which is like I don't
want to get too deep, but it's atax that we all pay 10%.
Everything you buy, you pay 10%of the tax.
I mentioned it here a lot andthe reason I do that is because
(01:11):
everyone seems to forget it.
It kind of gets buried.
You know, like you don't know,when you buy a $200 real that if
you didn't have Wallop Pro, itwould only cost you $180.
You just don't know that.
So I looked into it and youknow one of the claims has
always been that if we have morelicenses, we're going to get
(01:38):
more Wallop Pro money and if youread it, that should be the
case.
I think it's kind of vague.
It's believe it or not, it'sthe size of the state and which
I think accounts for 60%, andthen the number of licenses
(01:59):
accounts for 40%, and they dothis calculation.
To me, the whole thing is nuts.
Whatever your state pays in,your state should get back.
That's what I think In the caseof Alaska.
They pay like a million bucksand then they get back 15
million because the place is sofreaking big.
I don't think that's fair.
(02:20):
But the thing that I noticedwas I went back to when we had a
fishing license back from 2010to 2015.
If you look at those years,you'd be surprised to see that
we actually didn't get moremoney.
If anything, on a percentage,we actually got less money.
(02:42):
And now I'm not saying, look,maybe this gets deferred and you
don't get the money until yearslater.
I wouldn't know why, but maybethat's what happens.
But the question needs to beasked is this true?
Are we getting more money andhow much more are we getting?
The other thing I want to bringup about the license is I don't
(03:07):
want to talk about thegazillion of reasons why we
don't need them and the I can'ttake a one.
Why we need one or what we'regoing to get out of it?
Because right now, theWallabrow fund contributes a
huge number.
It's $32 million a year we getjust from Wallabrow.
(03:32):
On top of that, there is partof Wallabrow is the Sport
Fishing Restoration Act.
We get another $20 million.
Well, at least we got that lastyear.
I'm not sure what we got inyears past, but we got $20
million.
So we got $50 million last yearto put into our fishery.
(04:00):
And the thing is we're notsupposed to have double taxation
.
Everybody tells me oh crazy,why are you even saying it?
Well, because it is true.
If you look at the SportFishing Restoration Act, you're
going to see that a big piece ofit is to provide access and
(04:22):
boating ramp.
You see, they had to do boatingramps because they whack your
10% when you go to get fuel Downon the water.
So they had to throw the rampsin to justify charging the fuel
(04:42):
tax.
But think about it.
So now we got $52 million Forthe last.
From 2016 to—no 2015 to 2022, wereceived over $350 million.
(05:08):
$350 million.
I ask you have things improved?
Do you have more ramps?
Maybe you have one out in theNorth Pole, okay, if not, we'll
shut down.
And I mean, yeah, now it's open.
(05:28):
But $50 million, you and Icould do a lot with that money.
I don't know what they're doingwith it.
They brag that they give$20,000,000 to the team that's
trying to clean up the ghostpotsin long-hound sound.
Where is all that money going?
(05:49):
That's the first question.
That question is do they reallyneed another $3,000,000,
$4,000,000, $5,000,000, and arewe going to see anything, any
improvement?
I'm going to say, if you can'tdo it on the $50 million and
again, if you read ratherwell-it-bro, you're going to see
(06:13):
that a big piece of it isaccess and management and
education.
Then you look at the sportfishing fund, access ramps,
education.
Now you look at the proposedlicense Ramps, education.
(06:36):
My point here is do not believein any sense of the word that a
license will help our fisheriesor give us more access or make
(06:56):
it better for us.
They will just burn that money.
The way they burn the $50million, I don't know what they
do with it.
Can't imagine $50 millioncoming to the state every year.
Now look, here's the last thingI'm going to say.
There's a huge thing here thatno one seems to be really
(07:23):
looking at.
That is the fact that the lasttime we had a license, the
industry took a huge, freakinghit Not so much the party and
charter boat industry but thetackle industry and the local
tackle industry.
They took a huge hit,especially out east.
(07:45):
A lot of people thought theycould just go fishing.
They found out they had to geta license.
They didn't go.
That's how it works.
It takes five years, minimumfive to seven years before you
get it back to when you startedthe license.
We don't need the license.
I just don't see them doing anygood.
(08:10):
If they get all that money, whycan't we put some into
enforcement?
Why not?
No, they want to take, make usget a license and then use that
money.
Look to me, this is just amoney grab.
(08:34):
That's it for me regarding thesaltwater license issue.
Yes, I mentioned before about AI.
I've been doing a lot ofdigging.
I tell you what it's amazing,that I don't know if you have
(08:58):
much experience with it, butyou're going to find it's like a
moderate, every answer it givesyou, like I was asking about
the windmills.
It would come back and tell meall these bad things and then
say but don't forget, this isfor the overall good of the
earth, and this and that and theother thing.
(09:21):
I want the facts, I don't carewhat you think, every single
thing.
There's a new one.
It's called BARD and that isthe Google AI.
I'm telling you, this thing isprogrammed to never say a bad
thing about anybody, unless, ofcourse, you know how to use the
(09:45):
correct prompts.
But those of you that aren'tgetting into AI, you're all
going to fall behind.
It's so easy.
I feel like my old self back inthe 90s when people told me I
was crazy and that the internetwas just a fad and it was never
(10:05):
going to make it.
I knew it was, but nobodylistened.
I'm telling you right now thisAI stuff, this is serious and
it's here to stay and it's rightat your fingertips Chat, gpt.
I don't want to get too deep,but if you're listening, you're
somewhat of a geek.
No offense to me, I love you,know.
(10:26):
It's great to be a geek andknow what you're doing nowadays,
but Chat GPT only has info upuntil 2021.
But if you use this bard it'sbardgooglerathercom you'll find
that it has everything up untiltoday.
(10:47):
It's a whole different animal.
So, yeah, but it cracks me up.
Every time I ask a question itkind of gives me the other side.
It's like a moderate response.
All I want is the facts.
I don't understand why even asearch engine has to put its two
(11:08):
cents into everything.
I mean seriously.
Yes, so this week I'm gonnahave a jerk of the week.
Maybe I'll try to do one everyweek.
Probably wouldn't be too hardto find.
But this guy is selling trout,which I'm not sure where he gets
(11:29):
.
I mean, I'm guessing he's gillnetting him or somehow
commercially catching the fishand he's selling them online on
his Facebook account.
So what do you think happens?
Of course, you know, an ECOfollows up and ends up.
(11:57):
Long story short, the guy wascaught with like $750 worth of
illegally caught trout that hewas selling on the side of the
road, but he would advertise iton Facebook.
Imagine yeah, maybe on the sideof road I got some trout that I
poached and I could give him toyou know, $199 a pound, don't
(12:22):
worry about it.
Yeah, maybe I didn't have it onice too long, but they're all
freezing big, they're all ingood shape.
So, yeah, so he's.
I don't know, they're givinghim a fine.
The truth is, I keep saying himit could be a hard because the
name of the moron was not givenit's always something when it
(12:48):
comes to fishing.
He had all different kinds ofstories.
You know, last week we hadEddie Carrol on.
He was, he was a kid talkingabout keep saying kiddies, and
it's 30s and when I was in my30s I didn't think I was a kid,
but now that I'm 68 he's a kidanyway.
(13:11):
And he's talking about thispaddleboard fishing and I'm like
, oh my god.
And then I'm here.
British Guy (13:24):
Yes, george, I'm here right now.
We came to hear from the leaderof the sharks.
His name is Mr Don Edward Minowand he will be speaking for the
sharks we have heard it hasbeen leaked to us that these
sharks are threatening to startto bite people, so we have to
(13:52):
hold on and listen in as thehold on.
He's coming up to the themicrophone.
Sharky (14:00):
If I happen to be on.
You know I was in that newregion shark town.
What a bunch of shit that was.
And I'm here to speak for allthe sharks.
You know I'm great.
Well, I've been to a lot ofshit, I've been through
everything.
And I'm here to speak for thesharks about this new bill that
(14:23):
that two human searing Americatrying to pass about.
It's called a shark to bill andyou're gonna try to stop us
from eating fish that havecaught on a fishing line.
Now, what do you think we are?
What are you big?
We're not gonna let that happen.
We're gonna eat whatever wewant.
We don't, we don't, we don'tcare what you people say.
(14:47):
I mean I gotta go mine to cool,you know.
Get, get us all together andmaybe we'll study humans.
Yeah, what do you think we cando that?
Let's run around next to you,don't even know where we are off
the look.
Here is the way I see it.
I get the shark back becauseyou're just wasting your time.
(15:07):
Well, you think you're gonnateach us, tell us what to do.
We own the ocean, we're theapex predator, weed, anything we
want.
The way you think you're gonnaget a bunch of guys who watched
in DC and have money and wastefor all kinds of money not gonna
work.
It's not gonna.
We're never gonna let it work.
(15:28):
So I'm here to speak for all theshark.
I'm the only one who was.
It was recognized.
You know, you got Charlie Tuna,donnie.
He's here for the tuna.
You got SpongeBob he's Donnie,but it's bunge's.
I'm here for the sharks and I'mtelling you, if you best shark
(15:51):
act, we're gonna go past pastthe best that's on the line and
we're gonna jump in a ball andstudy people.
I mean, these are your choicesof you.
People you need, but you gottakeep busy.
You need other things to do,like stop people from finning us
and stop people from layingthose miles along.
(16:13):
I see my buddy stuck on longlines.
None I can do about it.
I got a good line to.
You know you want to work is astrike and I gotta do mine.
There's not this sound a bellthat it's time to start chomping
on you guys.
So think about these bills youwant to pass.
It could come back to fightjuniors oh, there you have it,
(16:36):
george.
British Guy (16:37):
These sharks mean business.
I for one will not be surfingin Montauk anytime soon.
Back to you.
George Scocca (16:46):
George, my good friend, great angler and also
pretty good photographer, paulPaluzzo.
Are you doing George good?
How you doing Paul?
Paul Peluso (16:56):
very good, very good good, good.
George Scocca (16:58):
So I you know, I kind of follow you around on
Facebook.
You're definitely a Facebookerand haha, you know you always
manage to catch fish.
I see out there early in theseason.
You surf fishing.
You catch them bad straightaway in the spring and you sure
as heck get out a lot, and someof your photos with the whales
(17:20):
and all have been pretty amazingover the last few years.
So I wanted to talk to youabout a couple of things.
One is how do you see thefishing?
How would you categorize thefishing in your area there in
Meritch's Bay and in that wholespot?
Paul Peluso (17:38):
Well, right now in Meritch's the fishing is should
start to light up really goodthe next coming weeks,
especially in the first twoweeks of October.
Last night I was out on my boatand I was over here by Union
Avenue and Ocean Avenue and thebunker the peanut bunkers were
leaving the canals.
(17:59):
There was like pod after podgoing towards the inlet and I'm
like, oh boy, this is going tolight everything up outside.
So I'm hoping that we get areally good full run on the
stripers and the bluefish.
Fluking right now seems to bereally good.
A lot of keepers to ratioReally To shorts, yeah, right
(18:19):
around the inlet area, right inthe back in the east cut, in the
west cut.
Wow, last week I had like twoor three keepers in like an hour
.
I was amazed.
I don't fluke that much becauseit used to be sea robin, sea
robin and I just couldn't dealwith that.
George Scocca (18:35):
But right now at the end of the season I don't
know exactly when it ends, butthe guys are out there every day
and they've captured some goodsize fluke, yeah well there was
a time years ago when MaritiusBay was one of the that and
North Forkwood kind of the bestareas to fluke and to find fluke
and I don't know if you knowthat I used to keep a boat over
(18:58):
there for years.
I was at Center Island, yachtand then.
But I also used to keep my boatat the Alma.
I don't know if you rememberthe Alma fleet, but Ronnie Alma,
I used to keep my boat overthere and you know I mean the
fluke in there was fantastic.
But I can remember like as whenI got out of there, I remember
(19:18):
going there on a Sunday andsaying I could walk from one end
that is bay to the other on theboats.
There was so many boats in thebay, you know, and you're
hooking fish in three, four footof water.
Sometimes they go flying overthe other side of the boat, you
know.
Paul Peluso (19:34):
That was what the problem was.
I think so many people fishedthis area since I was a little
kid.
I've been here since the let'ssee 1968.
So I've been, you know, livinghere in Shirley and Mastic and
Santa Maritius area.
But I've seen, like you said,boats where you could walk on
them, and then everybody used tobe a clammer in the 70s.
George Scocca (19:54):
And so.
Paul Peluso (19:55):
I'm out of the bay.
I think that had a lot to dowith why a lot of the fish, the
population, dropped becauseeverything lived off of the
clams the clams clean the waterthat's a good point.
The fish ate the clams and theyhad everywhere to go and it was
fantastic.
George Scocca (20:09):
Remember that flounder fishing over there.
Oh, oh, my God that was thebest.
Paul Peluso (20:14):
The best in New York when we were kids like two
or three at a time.
George Scocca (20:18):
And.
But big ones, big ones overthere.
Paul Peluso (20:20):
And the blowfish and everything.
When I was a kid it wasfantastic.
We caught weak fish, blowfish,fluke, flounder, you name it.
George Scocca (20:27):
Now you're seeing kind of fish we weren't used to
right Sheep's head andlaffyettes and all kinds of
species we'd never seen before,but it is what it is.
So hey, tell me about.
You seem to always manage to bearound whales, like you get
(20:48):
some really good pictures ofwhales and some of them.
It amazes me how these whalesare like what, maybe 50 or 100
yards off the beach and nobodythe people on the beach aren't
even looking at the time.
Paul Peluso (21:01):
I'm like what are they taking?
Sometimes they do Sometimes,like there was one about a
couple of weeks ago where I wasright in front of Smith Point
and he was he or she, I don'tknow what kind of whale it was
it was about a 30 footer andthis humpback whale was just
coming up right near the shorein 10 feet of water.
Wow, and the reason they'redoing this is these, the pods of
(21:23):
bunker.
The amount of bunker that we'reseeing in the last couple of
years went from next to nothingto almost all year round.
Almost any time I go outside inthe ocean there's pods of
bunker, which that never was 10,12, 15 years ago and it came in
in June and then it came in inthe fall, but now it's all
season long.
We got the sharks and thebluefin tuna was running through
(21:48):
it.
I mean, I'm talking a couplehundred pound tunas blasting
these pods of bunkers.
My friends are getting aerialvideos of these bluefin tuna, of
the sharks attacking the bunkerpods, and that's why the people
are getting bit.
The bait is so close to shorethat the whales come in.
I guess they come in from wayout, I don't guess 30, 40 miles,
(22:11):
wherever they live, they comeall the way in.
They eat the bunker, they do acouple of jumps, lunch feeding.
Sometimes they get happy andthey fly out of the water.
Then they go back and peopleare wondering why a lot of these
whales are dying If they'recrossing a lot of these shipping
lanes and they're getting hitby these big boats.
I mean, everyone thinks it'sthe windmills.
(22:32):
I mean I don't know how awindmill would be the same to
sonar.
It's not going to sonar off ofthe whales, but there's no
science that's showing that mostof these whales are getting hit
by boats.
I could see that they arecalling pretty close to shore.
I mean, even the regularanglers like me.
We see the whales.
I keep a distance of about 100yards from them.
(22:54):
I have a very good camera.
It has a 300-millimeter zoomand I can get close sometimes.
One time me and my wife this wastwo, three weeks ago we had the
boat on off and we were justsitting.
I saw this whale and it came upand all of a sudden it
disappeared and they stayed downfor about three minutes and you
(23:16):
could just about count theseconds off.
All of a sudden she comes backup.
So she's right here again.
So we just stayed there.
She was diving down on thebottom and I don't know what was
down there, but you could seeit marked on the screen and she
would eat whatever.
She wouldn't come right back up, so we just sat there.
Yeah, came within, I'll say, 25feet of the boat, in the front
(23:37):
of the boat.
So she just came up very slowand just there, they are an
amazing animal.
Yeah, I really love them.
I mean, they are, it's there,just awesome.
Now, most of the ones I'mseeing are like the size of my
boat 30 footers but every oncein a while you'll get the mama
and the papa.
The 60 footers come through,they are amazing.
(23:58):
Yeah, those are those.
You say holy Jesus when theycome by your boat.
And that twice the size of yourboat.
George Scocca (24:05):
you're kind of like you're a little
intimidating right, yeah, yeah,I'll tell you.
Paul Peluso (24:08):
Most of the time, if you stay and you keep your
distance with them and you kindof watch the way that they're
going especially in the shallowwater you could see their tail
moving so you could see.
If they're heading east, you goparallel with them.
Don't cross their path.
If they're going west, they dothe same thing.
Whatever way they're going, Itry to just keep a distance and
stay away with them and figureout where they're going to pop
(24:29):
up next and you see another partof bunker.
Go over to that part of bunker.
Don't go in it, becausesometimes they lunchfeed and
that you know.
I've seen videos where theycame very close to hitting
people's boats or landing onthem or you know stuff like that
.
George Scocca (24:44):
It's it's that one guy got sucked in.
Paul Peluso (24:48):
Imagine he jumped into.
George Scocca (24:49):
I mean, I'm done with that guy.
He jumps into a ball of baitwhen there's freaking whales
everywhere, right, all of asudden, the next thing he knows
he's in a whale.
Well, no kidding.
I mean, how stupid could you be?
I don't know.
I'm going to tell you a funnywhale story, right?
So I'm in Alaska at TannacoolLodge, your choice, if you want
to go to Alaska, and it was, youknow, like it never really gets
(25:13):
dark there until like I don'tknow two, three in the morning
and your toast from fish, andall day you kind of shot, you
had a couple of drinks.
So one of the mates it's like10 o'clock and a mate goes hey,
have you ever taken a look atthe whales at night?
So we're like no, me, my friendSteve and the other people that
were there.
So come on, let's go.
We're going to go take a ride.
(25:34):
I'm like all right.
So I think we're going down onone of the you know 30, 40 foot
boats that he had there.
But we go down there and we getin like this wooden dinghy that
has like a 15 horsepower tiller, right, and this kid was, he
definitely had too many, youknow.
So first thing I do.
Now, you know, you go in thewater.
There it's freaking 48 degrees,you don't have a long time.
(25:57):
So so like, are you sure thisis safe?
Don't worry, I do it all thetime.
I'm like we're to preserve, wedon't need preserve, we just go
right there.
I'm like, oh, my God.
So we get out and I'm tellingyou Plot.
This is no exaggeration.
I could have reached out andtouched one of the.
There were whales everywhere.
There's whales all over theplace there, so to find them is
(26:18):
nothing.
But literally one of them cameup.
That blowhole went and I feltlike I was on the movie, like
Moby Dick.
I'm like, holy Jesus, I'm likeI can get me out of here.
And you know what they werelaughing at.
I didn't think it was funny atall.
I'm like what if the thingmakes a mistake?
(26:38):
Noxious in the water.
Anyway, yeah, they are prettyamazing.
I won't take you to task on onething, though.
It is the windmills.
British Guy (26:46):
So one day I'm going to prove that to you.
George Scocca (26:51):
It's the sonar and the reason they are getting
hit.
Now you have look I don't wantto get into the whole thing, but
you had 72 whales.
British Guy (27:00):
now that have died Right, 72.
George Scocca (27:03):
Have you ever heard that in your life?
No, no.
Paul Peluso (27:06):
And I looked at the years and they had the amount
of them and sometimes you couldsee 20, 30, 40, whatever.
George Scocca (27:13):
Never like this, and it all started years ago.
It started actually in 2017.
Everybody blames thisadministration, but it's yeah
sure they support it.
But the thing is, this has beenin the works for a long time.
You don't just put up 3000Eiffel towers in the ocean
without planning it for a long,long time.
(27:33):
Anyway, those that sonar isthrowing them off.
I spoke to a scientist I hope tohave the podcast down a couple
of weeks and he, like he's, hasproof that the they're using
sounds that they're not allowedto use.
So, anyway, what are they doingwith these sounds?
Why would the hell would theybe using?
So here's what they do.
(27:54):
They look for everything'sabout money, right?
So when you got to build one ofthese things, the shorter it is
, the less it costs.
So they go around looking forhigh peaks and high peaks so
they don't have to build it sohigh.
I know I know too much about it.
So, and you, of all people, youare going to be sick when this
(28:15):
thing goes up.
I don't know if you've seenphotos or what it's going to
look like, but they will.
They have industrialized theocean and the sad part is, I
tell you, paul, nobody in NewYork is doing anything about it.
New Jersey they already havelawsuits in place.
Massachusetts they're sellingthem.
Everybody else has somethinggoing on except us.
(28:35):
We're just watching it happen.
But that seemed to quiet down,though Thank God, I mean yeah,
they just had one the other day,so we now 73 and that one I
don't know if you saw the photoof it, but it was.
It's floating right next to thestanchion.
That no, yeah.
Paul Peluso (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, so that's when I saw was on the
beach and they buried it.
George Scocca (28:56):
Yeah, no, this, this one is floating and again,
I'm not arguing ship strikes,but hey, look, you know it's
funny people.
People are fun because you know, like you was saying, about the
Beat.
So the reason New York has thewhales is because we have the
beat.
Jersey doesn't have thesewhales on their coast.
You know what cuz?
There's no bait there.
We, we protected our beat andbut if you think back, there was
(29:19):
a time you can get a freakingrobo go out and kill whales.
So this you know, we, we killedall the whales for the oil or
whatever right now.
Paul Peluso (29:28):
Well, what they stopped us to protection started
1965.
That was right years ago when Iwas born exactly.
Now there's hundreds ofthousands of them.
I don't know how many humpbackwhales there are, but supposedly
they all travel up north to goto Nova Scotia somewhere, up to
eat the krill, and then theymake their way back down yeah
(29:49):
and the fall, and go down to thesouthern waters to have babies.
So it's kind of neat.
I mean that's why a lot of themare passing by like on this day
today, in two and 2020.
I had a really, really goodwhale.
He was Right over here off ofWest Hampton and he was lunch
feeding in the bunker pods and Ididn't get out this morning.
I was gonna go.
George Scocca (30:08):
But that, a couple things to do, but yeah,
well, you had a podcast to doright.
Paul Peluso (30:13):
Yeah, well, that and a couple other things I got
to do later, so I didn't get achance to run out.
So let me get you missing agreat day of pictures out there.
George Scocca (30:21):
Oh, I'm sure.
So let me get your take on thehealth of the striped bass
fishery.
I'm curious what, what youthink.
I've been asking a lot of guysand I'm hearing different things
you know, so I'm curious youknow what you've seen in
comparison to other years?
Paul Peluso (30:40):
When we first started chasing those striped
bass around here, I'll say inthe early 2000s, I would catch a
lot of bass in the bay.
I'm talking in the numbers oflike 20 to 30.
George Scocca (30:53):
I was fishing there then, actually at the same
time we were catching and mostof the most of them were 36
inches plus well, it was 36inches then, right, I'm telling
you they were.
Oh, I have them.
Paul Peluso (31:05):
I had to make my unit 36 inches, because if you
didn't, you had that mono onthere, because I didn't even
have braid at that time.
Oh the tail would whack themono and it would bust off and
you would lose your fish we usedto drag life.
George Scocca (31:19):
Found it through that inlet oh.
Paul Peluso (31:21):
God, I never.
I never did that.
Oh yeah yeah, the bunker forsure, but we never did.
Though I never hooked a liveflounder, I caught one.
George Scocca (31:31):
That was a miracle, so I well, you know
what happened one time.
I was there fishing that inletand I saw all these flounder on
top of the water like swimming.
Yeah, I'm like what the hell?
Why are they up?
And then also I've seen hisbass come up and eat one, and at
the time I forget what thelimit was.
It was a small flounder and Iwas like I gotta try it and it
(31:53):
became pretty popular.
I'm sure a lot of people havedone it.
Do you remember the?
Paul Peluso (31:58):
Steve Petrie that Petrie fish he used to have.
George Scocca (32:00):
I swear I still have one.
Paul Peluso (32:02):
I have one too.
I used to throw that thing inthe inlet and I'm telling you it
used to work.
I used to love that thing.
I can't find it.
He had a small one too, andthat's.
I haven't both.
I still have them.
I called them up one time.
This is several years ago.
Do you have any more of those?
He's like no, I stopped makingthem.
I'm like oh man.
George Scocca (32:21):
Yeah, he was good friends of my brother Phil,
yeah.
Paul Peluso (32:23):
Yeah, I used to see him at the shows.
I would always ask him whenhe's like yeah, you're the only
one that's still asked aboutthat fish.
Because, exactly you said, yousee the flounder on top of the
water in the inlet and thestriped bass are trying to mouth
them and coming up and they'regoing around them and I would
throw that thing in there and Iwould catch the striped bass.
It was crazy.
George Scocca (32:41):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because you mentioned
Laura's had come back.
I'm thinking about the mojospoon, right, think about the
spoons that we had 30 years ago.
They were the same.
I mean, I look at them, I haveone of the old ones, wow.
And yeah, I don't know why Ikeep.
I keep a lot of my old stuff.
Paul Peluso (33:02):
I'm probably never gonna use it, me too.
I like that too.
George Scocca (33:04):
I keep it, I keep it.
Paul Peluso (33:05):
I'll keep it forever, yeah.
George Scocca (33:07):
So, but yeah, that's funny.
Now Everybody's using them, youknow, and but anyway, so so
you're so.
So what do you think of thestriped bass fishery now?
I agree, back then it was sizeright.
Paul Peluso (33:20):
The size has gone down and the amount in this bay
right here in Mauritius has gonedown dramatically.
Outside, though, on the bunkerpods the fish.
You see they've gotten Gigantic, where most of the fish you hit
out there are 30 pounders to 50pounders Right, and if you
catch it right, you could, youcould, you can now several of
them right.
So we're going from like 28 to28 pounds.
(33:44):
You know this.
George Scocca (33:46):
Yeah, the way they're managing the fishery is
for us to eventually have asmall fish fishery, because
that's what that's what thecommercials want and they
figured out keep us busy andwe'll be fine with that.
We're not allowed to keep a bigfish anymore.
British Guy (34:02):
No.
George Scocca (34:03):
So little bit at a time they're gonna take that
away.
Yeah, I know, look I'm.
You know I'm a conservationist.
Well, I'm not gonna say youknow that, but I mean I've
always fought for striped bass.
I didn't agree with with theway they went around reducing
the slot and calling anemergency and all that stuff.
You know I'm a believer.
(34:24):
Go back to one fish at whateversize you want to make it.
Make it 32 inches, one at 32and over, and you know a lot of
people look, nobody likes thelook of her 50 pound bass
hanging right, but yeah, but thetruth is that bass has Produced
a lot of fish already, and howmuch longer does it have to live
(34:44):
?
Well, aren't we better offprotecting the smaller one so
they could spawn three, four,five, ten times, whatever.
Paul Peluso (34:51):
Anyway, yeah, I think they should protect them
all, believe it or not.
And you know, maybe a coupleyears of putting them as game
fish and they'll be back allover the place.
It worked in the 80s and Icouldn't believe the amount of
fish that used to be in herebecause nobody really targeted
them anymore and you know itwent down dramatically.
I do see it coming back thelast couple of years.
(35:12):
We seem to see a few more thanusual and, like the the week
fish did are showing up.
You know, people actuallycatching them again.
They seem to be pretty easy.
But I'm kind of glad and to seeRobin's went down and I know
you know what it's funny.
George Scocca (35:27):
You say that Because I see that even on a
North Shore where, where I fish,it's traditionally paved, you
know there are a lot of searobins around and you know we'll
get them like two, three poundsover here in the North Shore,
but, um, this year they weren'ta heck of a lot of them.
That there weren't a lot offluke either, I mean, they were
fluke, but they weren't.
We don't.
(35:48):
We don't get them the way weused to it.
You know I do.
The sound is like this biggiant Bay and a little bit at a
time I'm.
What's happening here hashappened in every Bay in Great
South Bay, it happened in inMarich's Bay.
I mean, the cut helped Marich'sBay.
Paul Peluso (36:05):
Dramatically.
Oh, that thing cleared out thewater.
I brought back a lot of fishand a lot of.
Fire island needs one of those,I mean that brown tide that
used to be in here, althoughright now, from the last
hurricane, the Bay was still alittle brown, it's still a
little mixed up.
Yeah, I hope it clears out sothat we could get some really
good top water fishing next week.
(36:25):
So what's going on?
George Scocca (36:26):
So years ago, when I had my boat there, I
would fish, a spot was in theWest Cut and they called it the
onion sack.
Sharky (36:34):
I don't know yeah.
George Scocca (36:35):
I don't know if you're familiar with that area.
Paul Peluso (36:36):
But oh, definitely the thing is gone.
But yes, they did.
I remember that little onionsack thing that was there, yeah,
so I would set up anchor inthere.
George Scocca (36:44):
Everybody thought I was nuts and because it was
like you know, there's like thatbar there that builds up and
and everybody be passing by me,headed out going fish.
You know, coming back fromfishing, I'm like they're just
running over all of these bassand I would cast Lord Chet from
B&B tackle God rest his soul.
He, he taught me that fisheryand I would anchor and I would
(37:07):
throw Bombers and you would seethose fish come running sideways
.
I so wish we had video andcameras back then.
I mean, wow, oh, those were,those were great days.
So so you seem to agree withpretty much everyone that
there's like this gap in thefishery.
I don't know too many peoplethat get too many keepers.
(37:30):
I mean, you know it's.
They're targeting one yearclass.
I believe it's the 2015 yearclass.
So because that was supposedlythe good, why a wine number?
I young of the year, but good.
But you know, I don't know, Idon't know.
I don't think they're that goodthat they can just pick and
choose.
They just got to pick a number.
Let's make it one over 32, witha good season, and let
(37:54):
everybody take a freaking fishto eat.
I don't understand that again.
So let me ask you this whatabout?
What about bluefish over there?
Have you, you guys, have youbeen inundated with blues?
Paul Peluso (38:06):
I would all of well , no, no no, this, this is what
this could be.
The other issue which I I thinkused to happen now the bluefish
used to be so thick over herethat the whole month of
September, yeah, I couldn't geta bass because I couldn't get
through the bluefish and Iremember going on to have videos
and pitches of I can't tell youhow many bluefish we would
(38:28):
catch and they would rattle up,they would ball up the bait into
like Pots and remain reallytight ones and attack it and
make all of the blood andeverything come into the water
and the bass would be underneathor around it or whatever, and
they would scoop up all the restof the stuff.
So yeah, without the bluefishCorralling a lot of this stuff
(38:49):
up, the bass sometimes come, youknow they like that.
The bunker pods get spread outfrom storm, they willy-nilly.
You'll see them here and you'llsee one there, but no
concentration of them where youcould.
You know right, one or tworight off of the pod.
So it last couple years thatwas a pain in the neck.
But the bluefish, you know, ifyou don't catch them in the
first week of May when theyfirst come through here in the
(39:11):
day, you know those big gorillas.
George Scocca (39:12):
Oh yeah.
Paul Peluso (39:13):
They disappear.
And then you know, now theythey're catching the snappers
right now.
The kids are all, they're allaround the docks.
George Scocca (39:18):
Yes, you know, the sound is loaded with big
bluefish and.
I'm talking about, you know, Ithink the the WICC winner this
year.
I think it was a 20 pound fishwhich was the first time in like
forever since I can remember.
Paul Peluso (39:35):
I'm just as go wow.
George Scocca (39:39):
Yeah, that's a pretty big fish.
You know that things get a kickyour butt.
I had a kid on the podcast lastweek and this kid paddlefish,
paddleboard fishes right, that'slike a new thing now.
And he's, yeah, and he hookedup.
He thought he hooked up on abass or but he was in a bluefish
Tournament.
Sorry, thought he had abluefish.
He had like a seven foot shark.
(40:02):
That thing comes up next to thepaddleboard.
I'm like this kid is out of hismind.
I had him on, I had him a goodhe.
You know good kid you can tellconservationist kind of kid.
You want fishing, so so, sowhat are your plans now?
As far as a full, you don'treally do a lot of black fish in
or sea bass, do you?
Paul Peluso (40:23):
know, not really.
I'm not really good atanchoring up on the wrecks, to
be honest with you.
You know what?
What my boat?
I rather just I'm more of aRun-and-gun type of fisherman
like I love to chase the Albees,like that's my.
Like that, yeah, you hit themright in shore on a little 4000
real and you're in.
You're in for a really goodfight.
The lines is ripping out, youknow.
George Scocca (40:45):
So do me a favor, tell how are you?
I'm gonna take it away.
I do.
I use a 2500, right?
I use a 20 pound braid tied toa 10 pound Floreau and I throw
the smallest deadly dick that Icould find and I crank it as
hard as I can like across thetop.
Paul Peluso (41:06):
Yeah, I do the same thing, but I have 30 pound test
.
I usually use a full 1000because I have a whole bunch of
them right and I try to get uplike if they're coming like
towards me, I try to get aheadof them and cast it at them and
really that seems to be theeasiest.
George Scocca (41:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know the best feeling is
when you see that one peel offyou have to see that.
Sharky (41:25):
Oh my god you go.
George Scocca (41:26):
Okay, you know you see him peel off and he's
going at it.
You know that that, to me, isone of the best rushes in all
fishing.
No, it's actually the way Ilike freshwater fishing.
Paul Peluso (41:38):
So Because I get that a lot in fresh water this
one.
I still have the vision of theAlbee.
I use this very small little Algags popper I don't know where
I got it's old and I usually seehim at the shows.
They're basically giving themaway.
Nobody wants these little tinypoppers and we rose out in
Montauk and casted it out tothis, to the pot of Albe's, and
(42:01):
I'm reeling it in and I couldstill see the Albee this big
With the biggest Albee I have.
A court out of the watercrashes into the.
I knelt it was.
It was on Adrian's boat,captain Adrian's boat, and then
Angelo Paluso was with us.
This, this Albee.
I should have probably took itin and waited, but you know we
(42:23):
throw them all back.
Sharky (42:23):
Yeah.
Paul Peluso (42:25):
Way over 10 pounds.
It was awesome I caught on thislittle plug.
I always keep them on my boatjust just in case they get
really crazy.
Yeah, but you could get them ona popper, but I always have.
You have to have a little whiteTreble on the back with the
head.
George Scocca (42:39):
I would think you're gonna need something
small like that because I mean,that's the only way that I have
ever been able to catch them.
And then you know likesometimes you know they they
show and they kind of stay, butso often they chase and bait all
over the place they pop up.
You had a pop of the run overand then I know all of a sudden
they pop up.
We just move.
(43:00):
You're like I should havestayed there, you know.
Paul Peluso (43:03):
But if you watch it , sometimes they do a circle.
If you do stay there, they comeback.
George Scocca (43:08):
I agree, I agree with you.
It's funny to say that becauseI did notice a pattern a couple
years ago.
I'm like I wonder if I stay.
And I and it did, but it didn'twork the next time I went.
Paul Peluso (43:19):
But yeah, that's fishing for you every time you
think you figure about it.
George Scocca (43:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, um, let me uh, if you were.
So I got a friend of mine, he'sgot a nice, he's got a 31
stiger somewhere over there inMarietta's and he's not the most
successful fishman.
He's a good fishman but he'snot great.
So what would you?
I suggest that he be the what.
(43:47):
What should he be targetingfrom here right now?
Paul Peluso (43:50):
Yeah, right now, right there's very moment.
There the bass and the bluefishshould start to show up again.
The albisa should be out theretoo.
I know they're getting them inMontauk.
I know they're getting them outeast.
I did see them here a weekbefore the hurricane.
I by the time I wasn't.
I was playing with a whale withmy wife that one.
I came up really close to theboat and all of a sudden these
(44:11):
albees pumped up.
I had nothing really ready, soby the time I picked up all my
stuff and got it going, theywere, but I did see him.
I did run out the next day.
George Scocca (44:20):
Nothing, I know they were to the west because I
was fishing South to Jones andwhen we were floating there were
guys killing them.
They were freaking everywhereyou know.
Yeah.
Paul Peluso (44:32):
I'm doing really good in Montauk now on the
albees and the, the best stripedbass.
I see that guy, steve Missy,he's been catching him again.
George Scocca (44:42):
Do me a favor, let's get back to so.
Let's say the guy's green andyou know he can get whatever he
wants, whatever you want livebait.
Paul Peluso (44:51):
If you could get live bait, if you could catch it
, or you could buy the spot fromthat guy over here in Tom
Corselli.
He's got his little spots overhere and I think it's in the
hearts, cold Marina.
I'm not sure which one he's in,I forget, but he's got those,
those live baits.
If you could get them on a hookand get them down in the inlet,
you know.
So what are they?
(45:12):
Peanuts?
We're gonna catch a peanuts.
I love peanuts.
Peanuts is great right now.
Yeah, you know, speaking aboutlive bait, that's what me and
Gil used to do.
We would go around, we net thepeanuts or the bunker, the adult
bunker, and we go drift throughthe inland or over by the
breakers that used to be histhing and a bunch of those
peanuts, and you go right overto the corner of the breakers
(45:34):
when they weren't crazy.
When the breakers, you know,two or three foot, it gets a
little crazy.
You don't want to play in there.
George Scocca (45:40):
Yeah, it's one in there, and hold two seconds,
the thing is gone, yeah, so Nowthat, now that you mention it,
for those of you folks listening, I met Paul, as well as so many
people I still see and speakwith, through my website,
norriscom.
It was literally like the firstwebsite ever.
(46:02):
There was no Facebook oranything in those days and we,
we managed, we put together somecrew I mean I look on Facebook
now and everyone is stillfriends and they all met through
Norris.
Then there was one one guythere who you all friends with.
We all managed to get the fishwith him every now, you know, at
least once or twice or whatever, and he was the alcoholic Gill
(46:27):
hubs, and he was, sadly, gillwent through a tough time, but
let me tell you he was a warriorand he ended up.
He passed away, he died of thesame deadly horrible disease and
my brother died of.
And you know my memories of gillway.
He was always a great guy,always fun.
You know nothing.
I never saw him with all theall the shit that goes on On on
(46:52):
websites and especially norris,than the day.
You know he never, never, youknow, responded, retaliated, you
know, in any way, and he was agreat guy.
And so, paul, so oh, and Ithink I mentioned to you.
All the years I'm fishing withmy son, I mentioned to him about
(47:13):
gill and he goes.
Oh, he goes.
You know, I I still that's.
You know, I have my personalbest on his boat and I was like
what you know, like I kind offorgot it, and he goes.
Yeah, remember I had that30-something pound of my son, he
had me maybe 10.
And yeah, so those I have manymemories of Gil and I'm sure
(47:34):
you'd like to say a few wordsabout him.
Paul Peluso (47:36):
Oh, definitely he was the main guy that used to do
live bait over here.
If you wanted to catch a bigfish, live bait is the way to go
.
And he was the master atfinding out where these bunker
were, no matter what time of theyear.
Even when they leave the canalsand they disappear, he still
knew where they were.
I mean, this was before therewas pods outside.
We could just go and snag acouple and run back to the inlet
(47:59):
.
They were being these littlecoves up the thing and he would
be like there they are rightthere and I'd be like where,
right there, I can't.
He said I'm telling you they'reright there, throws a net, boom,
we get a whole bunch of bunker,go to the inlet and we were
catching big-sized striped bassall the time.
He always caught the bait.
He would go out extra earlyespecially if he had people on
his boat, like three o'clock inthe morning, just to make sure
(48:22):
that he got that live bait andthat those people were going to
catch some really deep and sizefish.
He was a man at that stuff.
He was a really good guy.
We did a lot of fishing side byside for years over here, so
I'm going to really miss him.
He was a good friend.
We did Florida trips togetherand caught some big tarpon.
George Scocca (48:43):
Yeah, I saw those photos, I was like hey.
I'm jealous of you guys.
Paul Peluso (48:47):
His brother, warren , put together a trip for us
that was unbelievable.
We had five days of fishing.
It was nonstop.
George Scocca (48:54):
That's great.
Paul Peluso (48:56):
I don't know how he did it and the cost, how he put
it together.
I was glad that they invited meto go.
George Scocca (49:03):
Yeah, really I know that feeling.
I went through a little bad ofit myself, but luckily I came
out on the good side.
Paul Peluso (49:15):
People, go for those screenings, man, that
those things are very important.
A lot of people of our age.
They don't do anything and then, oh, that guy's gone.
That guy's gone.
I had a friend.
He just died two days ago.
Michael Lee, sorry, he had ananswer too.
I know Great guy.
He's a family man.
You would never think anythingwas wrong with the guy.
Happiest guy ever.
(49:36):
He got cancer.
George Scocca (49:37):
It's a big, long battle, like Gil, look we're all
going to miss Gil and I know Imissed a good old days in Norway
.
You guys kind of make it up onFacebook but I can't.
You see me.
I'm on there very rare, maybeonce a week.
I get on Facebook and I checkhow everybody's doing.
(49:59):
I mean I'll probably get intoit a little bit more.
Only Kusty, new York Angler,kind of, is asking for it.
But we're growing over there.
I love the group.
There's a lot of the guys therethat used to be on Norris.
It's cool.
Paul Peluso (50:15):
It's kind of a it's nice that it's the people's
names too.
They all got their own namesback.
It's not the alcoholic, it'sGil Hubbs.
Yeah right, exactly.
You know who the hell you'retalking to.
Sometimes you have no idea, ohGod.
George Scocca (50:30):
It's still that way, right no?
Paul Peluso (50:33):
but at least you can see their names.
Oh, this is Carrie.
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I know that.
George Scocca (50:39):
But look, I don't know if you saw so last week
and everybody's busting my ballsabout two weeks ago.
Now this is the third time thishas happened to me.
So somebody sends me a notesaying that your account is
hacked.
Everybody thinks that I washacked.
It's not hacked.
The guy somebody made up a copyof me.
They go, they take his shit offthe site or from Facebook and
(51:02):
then they make their own page.
Then they go and they looksomehow they can see your
friends list or whatever, andthey contact all your friends
and ask them to sign up withthem and then the next thing you
know now it's pictures.
I have no idea this ishappening.
People think I'm asking themfor money.
So I get a phone call and it'sa friend of mine who goes.
(51:25):
You know, george, if you werein bad shape, you know you'd
give me a call.
I go what are you talking about?
He goes well, why would youever go on Facebook asking for
$5,000?
I go what are you talking about?
So he talks.
So I look at the post and it'sme Well, it looks like me right
and saying that I got hurt andthat I don't have the right
(51:48):
medical coverage and I need$5,000 to get this work done and
I'm like I'm looking at thisthing.
I mean, facebook took it downpretty quick, you know.
But so those are my experienceson the?
Paul Peluso (52:01):
Yeah, you got to watch that.
You just got to watch who yourfriend?
Yeah, some of these people arecrazy hackers.
I don't even know what you know.
Like you said, they're tryingto get money out of people.
I had that same similar thingbut didn't ask for money.
George Scocca (52:12):
But some guy none of that happened on Norris
right, you know they just calledevery name on to the sun and
would threaten you.
Remember, remember good oldJack Cohen, oh my God.
He started out as Megalodon andthen we had some great guys.
Come on, I'm the best one who Iwish I tell his dad, I don't
(52:34):
know who it is.
Who is the professional?
Paul Peluso (52:36):
Exactly, I want him on my podcast every single week
.
Who is the professional?
I will tell you about it.
George Scocca (52:48):
But you know what ?
We couldn't be as good as him.
That's the problem.
I actually went on Norrisreading some of the stuff and
I'm like I wonder if I can getsomebody to do something like
that.
But you can't.
That has to be in you, you know.
Paul Peluso (53:01):
Yeah, I don't know who it was.
I never found out, so I don'tknow if Glenn knows who it is.
No, he thinks he knows, but hewon't even tell me.
He's wrong on my side.
He doesn't know.
George Scocca (53:13):
Yeah, that's what I said.
He's going to be listening tothis, Glenn.
All right, Glenn, we know.
You know who the professionalis you better?
Come clean there, mr Dutton,give it up.
That was the best storytelleron the face of the planet.
If he had a YouTube channelback then, oh my God, that was
so great.
Paul Peluso (53:31):
I fished it hard for two hours At the bottom oh
yeah, yeah, he's really.
George Scocca (53:42):
He was great, but anyway, we're never going to
know who it is.
But kind of like we're nevergoing to find out where Hoppers
buried.
Same thing.
Paul Peluso (53:51):
No, there was a bunch of characters.
They were all good.
A lot of the guys were good.
Remember, we just have thebarbecues and we'd go to the
beach and everyone would show up.
Oh yeah, they mojo from fromNew York, he's still with me on
New York, england.
George Scocca (54:03):
Mojo's there.
Oh, he is the best man, him andhis wife.
He's got a video up there.
You would die laughing.
He gets, he gets boarded by DEC, right.
So they pull up to the boat andhe whips out this freaking
stack of cards and they're allbusiness cards of different DEC
(54:25):
offices and he's showing them tothe guy.
Right, what after the next?
And the guy goes what do youcollect these?
He was like no, I know, bobbygot the blouse and Joey, this
guy and that guy and I'm tellingyou, man, that guy couldn't
wait to get out of there.
He just he was like I can'ttake my card.
I got to go, you know.
But all right, paul, look, thishas been great, and you and I,
(54:50):
we all got to get together.
One day I'm going to get thatNorris crew back together.
We're going to do one of those,one of those crazy charters.
Paul Peluso (54:58):
That would be great .
I'd like to do anotherblackfish trip.
That was that's when I used togo.
I was with the best we went on.
Those, those were the, thosewere the good days.
George Scocca (55:07):
With Desi.
Paul Peluso (55:08):
Yeah, I just saw Desi the other day.
I saw him at the Bradstock overhere.
Oh nice In years.
Yeah, he got married.
I didn't even know he gotmarried.
George Scocca (55:16):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Well, he's on Facebook, I wouldthink.
Paul Peluso (55:20):
I didn't see.
Sometimes, if you don't, youknow, like the things that don't
show up in your field.
George Scocca (55:26):
Yeah, I don't even know I haven't seen her in
years.
Paul Peluso (55:28):
Yeah, I ran into him I was like Desi, oh yeah,
he's doing well.
George Scocca (55:32):
You know he had a little health care too, but
he's great now.
So that's what he told me.
So, anyway, all right.
So it's a go, look for the bassand the blues, and the Alps
should be showing any day.
We're going to.
We got a rough weekend comingup.
It's going to blow.
They said it over the weekend.
British Guy (55:47):
I think it's going to turn on next week.
George Scocca (55:50):
I think it's really going to turn on.
Paul Peluso (55:52):
That's what I got on my reports.
It was like the 25th on,everything went crazy.
George Scocca (55:56):
Yeah.
Paul Peluso (55:57):
So hopefully you will see what's going on.
I wish I was out there rightnow, so All right?
George Scocca (56:02):
Hey, look, make sure you stop by New
YorkAnglercom when you get achance.
And for those of you that don'tknow Paul, we used to call him
Pablo.
That's how we'd know Everybody.
Sharky (56:13):
And did they still call you yet?
George Scocca (56:15):
Oh, okay.
Paul Peluso (56:16):
I stopped because.
I thought they know me as Paul,they know me as Pablo.
George Scocca (56:22):
That's great, that.
That was the beauty of Norris.
So, all right, hey look, thanksagain.
It was great speaking with youand we definitely got to do it
again.
Paul Peluso (56:31):
Anytime, I'll let you know.
You'll see my pictures and theofficials when I'm catching them
.
Oh, you know what?
George Scocca (56:35):
Yeah, you know what, before we go, make sure
you send me some kind ofpictures or something so I can
get it to the podcast.
Paul Peluso (56:42):
Sure, whatever.
Whatever one you want, just letme know.
George Scocca (56:47):
Send me a well, and you would have put an actual
fish.
You got it All right, brother.
I'll talk to you again soon andthanks a million.
No problem, thanks, george, allright, well, that wraps it up,
folks.
I'd like you all for tuning in.
Please subscribe to thispodcast, reach out to me at
georgeonmyanglercom or go toanglercom and feel free to ask
(57:10):
me any question you like.
Next week we're going to have areally good show.
We have a new weekly guest.
His name is Joey Guggen andyou're all going to love him.
You've all met someone justlike him before in the past and
I'm looking forward tointroducing him to our listeners
(57:32):
.
I'm also going to have on TimRegan.
You have him and my other goodfriend over at the Fish Guy.
Photos provide us with some ofthe most unbelievable marine
photography we've ever seen,ever in the history of this
state beyond a doubt.
(57:53):
So yeah, I'm going to have himmyself.
I know I'm going to be askingabout a drone.
I want to get my own drone andhe seems to be a really good.
I mean, doesn't seem to be.
He's excellent.
So tune in next week.
Thanks again, please subscribeI appreciate all the support and
get out and enjoy this fullfishery right after this big
(58:16):
blow coming.
Things are going to really turnon over the next few weeks.
Thanks again for listening.
Until next time.
God bless America.
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