December 14, 2023 • 24 mins
Wonder what it would be like if every time you picked up your fishing rod, you were expected to carry a license too? Well, the sport fishing community in New York shed a huge sigh of relief recently when they triumphed over an unexpected move to impose a mandatory fishing license. We’re going to recount this inspiring victory and discuss what it means for New York's fishing culture and recreational life. However, the triumph is slightly marred by the ongoing dispute over the management of fisheries, especially the unpopular options put forth by the striped bass board. We’ll offer insights into why these proposals might ruffle some feathers among our fellow anglers.
Ever thought of using a forward-facing sonar in saltwater fishing? You're going to love our chat about this nifty tech! We’ve seen it make waves in freshwater fishing, pinpointing specific fish and bait with an uncanny accuracy. We can't wait to test these waters in Florida and share our findings with you. Also, gear up for some exciting upgrades and content expansion on MyAngler.com. We've got a new YouTube channel in the works, plans for TikTok and Instagram content, and a daily dose of captivating articles lined up. So stick around, because this is just the beginning of a thrilling journey into the heart of sport fishing.
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George Scocca (00:00):
It was a special podcast.
One crisp festive day in theheart of New York where the
Anglers play A tale to be toldof a victory so bright, a story
of struggle, of power and might.
In the style of a classic, theNight Before Christmas, our tale
unfolds with a twist that'squite blissful.
(00:22):
It's about those who fish inthe saltwater so grand, and
their fight against the law thatswept across the land From 2009
to 2011.
It ran a license required, partof a bigger plan, but it
brought not the change itpromised to bring, no betterment
(00:42):
and rules enforcement a stain.
The Anglers of New York theyknew this was wrong.
On NewYorkAnglercom, theirresolve grew strong.
United, they stood with amission so clear to roll back
this law they held not so dear.
Together, they fought withpassion and might.
(01:05):
Democrats, republicans, joinedin their plight From Long Island
shores to the city's brightlights.
They battled the law throughdays and through nights.
A special thanks to Lee's Eldonfor his effort, so keen, helping
bring attention to this scene.
His voice was a beacon in thelegislative sea, guiding the
(01:29):
fight for you and for me.
Now, here we stand with ourrods in the breeze, fishing
freely.
Our hearts are at ease.
No license to bind us, no feeto pay.
Thanks to those who fought intheir own unique way.
So here's to the Anglers, theindustry's heart in New York's
(01:52):
Great Waters, where the fishdart An early Christmas gift,
wrapped in unity and fight atale of success in the sport
fishing light.
As we cast our lines in thewaters so clear, let's remember
this victory year after year,for it's not just about fishing
(02:13):
but what we can do when we standtogether strong and true.
So cheers to the Anglers onthis festive day.
May your lines be tight inevery single way and remember
this story of how we took astand in the great state of New
(02:33):
York, our beloved land.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Fish on.
This is the New York AnglerFishing Podcast brought to you
by NYAnglercom, your secret spotonline, hosted by the man who
introduced New Yorkers to theworld of online fishing, Mr
George Scott.
George Scocca (03:00):
Hello and welcome , anglers, to the 1,450th
episode of the NYAnglercom Sportfishing podcast.
Well, actually it's just, Ithink it's like 45 or maybe 50,
something like that.
But welcome back to anotherepisode.
(03:20):
As we head into the holidayseason, I'd like to wish
everyone a Merry Christmas,happy holiday whatever you got
going on there happy Hanukkah,kwanzaa and the plethora of
other holidays that arehappening this time of year.
So in today's episode, we'restarting off with a triumphant
(03:41):
story for all sport fishingenthusiasts in New York.
Recently, there was asignificant victory against a
state's attempt to push througha mandatory fishing license.
This proposal, which came as asurprise to many well, not me,
but many outside aimed tointroduce a sort of fishing
(04:02):
license the sport fishing.
Luckily, the sport fishingcommunity was swift and united.
Anglers, fishing clubs, variousstakeholders in the industry
came together to voice theirconcerns.
We did get a lot of help fromour elected representatives.
(04:25):
Through a series of wellcoordinated efforts, including
petitions, public forums anddirect lobbying with state
representatives, the communitymade its stands clear.
The message was that sportfishing is not just a hobby, but
it's a vital part of New York'sculture and recreational life,
(04:46):
deserving of support rather thanmore barriers.
So, in summary, we won one fora change and it's really
encouraging to know that we canstill have our voices heard,
(05:08):
should we unite and get on thesame page.
You know there were a lot ofefforts to push this thing
through and luckily we were ableto stop it in its tracks.
So you know, it was a bigvictory and it's something we
(05:29):
all need to be proud of.
Watch for it to come back innext year, I suspect maybe not
next year, I don't know.
It's, you know, presidentialelection year, I don't know.
You know, maybe they won't nextyear.
Who wants to add a tax?
Because that's all it is a taxand inconvenience.
It in no way helps ourfisheries.
(05:52):
Our access to fisheries helpsthem out, and if you doubt that,
think about 2009 to 2011,.
That things increase and getbetter for you?
I really don't think so.
I mean, I didn't see it.
Maybe you did Didn't work then.
It's not going to work now.
And I love the fact that NewYork I mean, let's face it,
(06:15):
we're not the most conservativestate in the union that we're
one of like three survivingstates that don't have a salt
water license, go figure.
Well, let's move on from that.
There's other news in fisheriesmanagement.
Unfortunately, none of it isgood.
All of it is bad for anglersanyhow.
(06:38):
In one case, I actually thinkit's bad for a strike bass, and
I'll explain that to you.
So the strike bass board met andthey came out with their three
options, which they usually do,and in many cases they mean
nothing because in the majorityof cases, it turns out that to
(06:59):
be their preferred option.
So the number one option isstatus quo one fish at 28 inches
to 35 inches, with 2017 seasonsfor all models.
Option B is one fish at 28 to31, which is what we had most of
(07:25):
the time Last year.
Option C wow, they got a lot ofthem one fish at 28 to 31 and
then a separate category forboats for hire.
That would be one 28 to 33.
I'll get into this boats forhire category in a minute.
So, option D one fish at 30 to33.
(07:48):
And then you've got E1 at 30 to33.
And it would be a separate forhire option, which is one fish
between 28 and 33.
So when we look at this I don'twant to bore you all with all
(08:14):
these numbers I got to tell you.
I know their preferred option,which is probably the one that's
going to happen, which makes nosense to me whatsoever, is
option C one fish at 28 to 31and then one 28 to 33 on a boat
(08:35):
for hire.
So two things here.
One is we're starting to seethis separate category for boats
for hire, so this is a categoryfor charter boats and porty
boats.
I've always been, I was, afraidthis and posed to it 30 years
ago, 35 years ago, because Ifeel it's going to add
(08:57):
dissension between recreationalanglers and the industry.
So, as it turns out, here itcomes, it's coming more and more
.
You got it with scup, you'vegot it with Stripe Bass.
Now it's going to increase eachand every year.
They'll start getting their ownquota pretty much for every
(09:21):
fishery and that's going toleave recreational angles out in
the cold.
So we need to stay united.
Now let's look at the ones thatare really I mean the Stripe
Bass thing.
Look.
Before I move on, I just wantto mention a couple of things.
One is their preferred optionis one fish at 28 to 31.
(09:42):
If we think about why they wentto this 28 to 31, it was
because we were targeting asingle year, class 2015.
Is it still the senior classwith fishing?
That's the question, or are wenow going into the year class Is
(10:05):
?
That didn't look good in theY-O-Y.
That's the first question.
And the second question is,again my problem with fisheries
management is always there is nocommon sense, right?
Does it make sense?
I am actually scared for thisfishery that they are now
(10:26):
mismanaging it here and we arenow pounding those fish.
Every time I see it.
I mean think about it.
Every bass that was taken homethis year was 28 to 31 inches.
How many of them are there?
That's the first thing.
The other thing is and I'm justgoing to touch on it quick
because nobody listens to thisin fisheries management Again,
(10:50):
common sense.
There is no doubt, and it cannotbe argued, that we have seen
the single best striped bass run.
In my lifetime.
I've never seen anything likethis.
I've never seen so many bigfish, so many small fish.
We have fish of every singlesize being caught.
(11:14):
If anything, the fish wouldn'treally not see other smaller,
smaller fish.
So what are we doing?
I don't know.
It makes no common sense.
Let's move on the next thingwe're looking at, which really
doesn't look too good, andthere's a council meeting going
on right now, but I wanted toget this podcast out.
(11:37):
So I'll update you on thatcouncil meeting, probably next
week, if I can, before Christmas, if not right after Christmas.
Ok, now for the call in thestocking.
I'm going to run through thisquick because I tend to get
(11:58):
crazy about these things, but inthis case I am going to stay
calm.
The striped bass is somethingthat's got me very concerned.
I don't like the way they'remanaging it.
I don't agree with the waythey're managing it.
I don't agree with theirnumbers.
I think that the fish aremoving out of Chesapeake and
(12:20):
more of the fish are coming here.
They're just not going backdown there.
Who wants to go to that swamp?
And you can be up here with allthe bait and the clean waters
we have in New York.
You can't even compare the two.
The Hudson River is a lotcleaner than that freaking
Chesapeake Bay, I'll tell youright now.
It's a lot healthier and wemanage it better.
But now we're not, we arepounding.
(12:41):
We're going to look.
The preferred option is alldifferent options and I don't
even want to get into it.
It's like five or six.
The only one that reallymatters is their preferred
option, because I'm going to sayeight out of 10 times.
That's what you're going to get.
So their preferred option isagain to go with a 28 to 31 inch
fish.
But they are also going to havea separate category for charter
(13:06):
and party boats.
If you pay, you'll be able toget a 28 to I think it's 35 inch
fish, maybe 32 inch.
So they're going to be allowedto keep them.
You're not, and we're justgoing to keep pounding and
pounding and pounding andthrowing back more 30 and 40
(13:26):
pounds striped bass than we haveever seen it has ever.
I mean, look, the mostconservative people in this
fishery that are involved inthis fishery are all saying the
same thing there's plenty offish, but anyway.
So they're going to keep us atthat, what I call the lottery
slot.
You know that 28 to 31 inches.
(13:49):
I mean it's ridiculous and Idon't think it's helping the
fishery.
The other fisheries, just abouteverything is going to be cut
back except for black fish.
At this point they're lookingat a 10% reduction in a scup,
10% reduction in sea bass andthe big one which is going to be
(14:12):
felt up and down the coast is a28% reduction in fluke.
So that immediately puts us,takes us down from four
fishermen to three fishermen andit probably increases the
minimum size limit.
We haven't seen numbers on whatthat's going to be.
So this is what this is thecall in the stocking.
(14:37):
We did get a huge present withthe license, but this is what we
have to look forward to in thefuture.
Last thing I'm going to say onmanagement right now because I'm
really up and excited.
You know, victory is huge asfar as beating down this
saltwater license.
We were told when we firststarted to go after it that
(15:01):
you're never going to stop it.
And we did.
We honestly did when we got onthe phone, we did the work.
We lobbied people in Albany, welobbied our representatives, we
went out and did what we had todo and we do not have a
saltwater license next year, andthose of you that want it okay,
(15:24):
don't know why.
It's not going to help anything, but that's okay.
You got your own view.
Even the way that survey waswritten.
Folks sent the message theydon't want it.
So we're free to fish again, atleast for 2024.
(15:46):
Well, I guess it's time to talkabout Christmas presents and
who would like what.
I could tell you what I want.
I want a forward facing sonarIn the salt.
Guys are using them down inFlorida right now.
(16:07):
I was on a boat with one of themBeyond belief, totally amazing.
We were reading the bottom andwe could actually knew when a
grouper was going to bite ourline.
We would watch it.
It was absolutely crazy.
(16:27):
Then we got into a school ofsnappers a calm lane snapper and
we were able to see exactly howdeep they were.
Look, we have fish finders,right.
That's one thing.
This is a whole differentanimal.
I've been using one in freshwater for a while and I often
wondered why we didn't use it insalt water.
(16:48):
And I'm telling you, this thingis a game changer.
It's so good that they arelooking to ban it in bass master
tournaments.
It literally is like playing agame.
You jig your lure and you watchthe fish coming in.
I mean, you don't see an actualfish, but you see the form of a
fish.
Sometimes you'll actually catcha tail, but you watch it and if
(17:12):
it's not going at your lure,you can make adjustments.
It's almost like a video game,but it isn't a video game.
When you hook up, you arehooked up and to give an example
again I'm going to fresh water,but it works in fresh water
right.
So if it works in fresh waterin low water conditions, why
(17:33):
wouldn't it work in back bass?
Oh, it does work.
In back bass.
You can see from like 200 feet,100 feet, 200 feet out where
the fish are.
This thing will spot bait likenothing you've ever seen and,
(17:54):
like in the case of fresh water,I find a bowl of bait.
I'm throwing a jerk bait overthat and I watch the fish and
I'm like, okay, I got to get adeeper jerk bait and I put on a
deeper one.
I get right down to the top ofthat bait bowl and, man, there's
nothing like a jerk baitfishing, which again, they do
(18:16):
that in Florida in salt waterand there's actually there's a
lot of people that are fishingjerk baits now for fluke from
the shore.
Looking up on YouTube, they arevery, very effective, they're
using great bait and it's somuch fun to fish because you're
(18:36):
kind of jerking it and then youleave slack in the line and you
kind of count or whatever.
You delay and then maybe you'llpop it a couple of times, but
it's nothing like that andLaura's kind of floating in
there or something.
Bang, they hit that thing.
So I'm going to get a.
I mean, I have one, so I'mgoing to rig this thing up.
(18:58):
They've got many options whereyou could just take it off and
put it on a salt water boat, andthat's exactly what I'm going
to do.
I encourage everyone to lookinto getting one of these
forward facing sonars.
If you are serious aboutfishing and you want to make an
(19:18):
investment, I'm telling youthese things are unbelievable.
And for you, ice fishing, oryou, you know, I mean my friend
Steve.
I'm sure he's going to belistening to this.
You know he fishes everywhereat Lake Long Island Sound, he
ice fishes.
Those things work in all thoseconditions and they there's
(19:39):
nothing that can compete withthem.
Like I said before, bass mastersmay actually ban them from
their tone.
Well, and also major leaguefishing.
They may both ban them becausethey're they have actually been
gamers that have entered thetour and have out caught
professional fishermen, becausethey know how to.
(20:01):
You know, they know what theaction on the screen needs to
look like.
So look into it.
It's forward facing sonar.
They have a bunch of them.
I'm a active target guy.
I, you know.
I looked into it and it reallyseems to be one of the best
(20:24):
that's set up.
Oh look, there's stuff comingout every day.
I hear Power Pole has onecoming out for saltwater also.
So keep your eyes open for that.
I'm telling you, it's a gamechanger.
It is much more effective thana bottom reader, but you do, you
still need both.
But I tell you you reallyshould check one out.
(20:47):
Well, that would be on my list,so I'd be curious to know
what's on your list.
Maybe you want to post that upin NewYorkAnglercom.
Or, if I do manage a videoversion, you can do it at
youtubecom, although I don'tthink this one actually will be
on YouTube yet.
(21:07):
So I want you all to considervisiting NewYorkAnglercom,
subscribing to this podcast,liking our videos.
You see, when you like thingsor you rate things, it doesn't
matter how many people you are.
(21:28):
It helps get the algorithmkicked in and we are in for a
huge upgrade here atNewYorkAngler.
We've got a lot of things goingon.
The advent of artificialintelligence is a revolution
like we have never seen sincethe internet began.
(21:49):
It's changing everything and weare going to be at the
forefront of that.
People that were unable toafford a staff of videos,
celebrities and audios andcontent writers and all that.
We don't need that anymore.
Those, all of those people arelosing their jobs.
(22:09):
Sadly, espn just announced theywill be getting rid of all
their beat writers.
I mean, why have a writer whenartificial intelligence can do
not only the same thing but doit better?
I know it's hard for you tounderstand, but trust me, this
come from the guy that had thefirst phishing website ever in
(22:32):
history.
Name domain names were freeback then and I recognize that
and I recognize this.
The world is changing with AIand I suggest you folks learn it
and learn it as fast as you can.
It's really easy, super easy.
(22:54):
Okay, that's going to basicallywrap up this episode.
As I mentioned, look for majorupgrades at myanglercom as we
concentrate more on the websitethis season.
We're starting a YouTubechannel.
(23:15):
I know we're late to the game.
It doesn't matter, we willcatch up and we will look.
We're doing pretty well now.
So when I start adding all thiscontent, my team starts doing
the videos without all thatoverhead.
I think you're gonna reallylove the website.
(23:38):
So please get down there andagain, like, interact with
anything, especially YouTube,and we're gonna start the TikTok
, even though I literally havenever even looked at TikTok and
Instagram.
All these shorts and videos andstuff like that.
But more importantly, you willbe seeing how two articles added
(24:02):
almost daily as we move intothe new year.
Again, I wish you all America.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Thank you for listening to the New York Angler
podcast.
You can find more on FishingNew York Waters at NYUanglercom,
your secret spot online.
It was a special podcast.
One crisp festive day in theheart of New York where the
Anglers play A tale to be toldof a victory so bright, a story
of struggle, of power and might.
In the style of a classic, theNight Before Christmas, our tale
unfolds with a twist that'squite blissful.
(00:22):
It's about those who fish inthe saltwater so grand, and
their fight against the law thatswept across the land From 2009
to 2011.
It ran a license required, partof a bigger plan, but it
brought not the change itpromised to bring, no betterment
(00:42):
and rules enforcement a stain.
The Anglers of New York theyknew this was wrong.
On NewYorkAnglercom, theirresolve grew strong.
United, they stood with amission so clear to roll back
this law they held not so dear.
Together, they fought withpassion and might.
(01:05):
Democrats, republicans, joinedin their plight From Long Island
shores to the city's brightlights.
They battled the law throughdays and through nights.
A special thanks to Lee's Eldonfor his effort, so keen, helping
bring attention to this scene.
His voice was a beacon in thelegislative sea, guiding the
(01:29):
fight for you and for me.
Now, here we stand with ourrods in the breeze, fishing
freely.
Our hearts are at ease.
No license to bind us, no feeto pay.
Thanks to those who fought intheir own unique way.
So here's to the Anglers, theindustry's heart in New York's
(01:52):
Great Waters, where the fishdart An early Christmas gift,
wrapped in unity and fight atale of success in the sport
fishing light.
As we cast our lines in thewaters so clear, let's remember
this victory year after year,for it's not just about fishing
(02:13):
but what we can do when we standtogether strong and true.
So cheers to the Anglers onthis festive day.
May your lines be tight inevery single way and remember
this story of how we took astand in the great state of New
(02:33):
York, our beloved land.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Fish on.
This is the New York AnglerFishing Podcast brought to you
by NYAnglercom, your secret spotonline, hosted by the man who
introduced New Yorkers to theworld of online fishing, Mr
George Scott.
George Scocca (03:00):
Hello and welcome , anglers, to the 1,450th
episode of the NYAnglercom Sportfishing podcast.
Well, actually it's just, Ithink it's like 45 or maybe 50,
something like that.
But welcome back to anotherepisode.
(03:20):
As we head into the holidayseason, I'd like to wish
everyone a Merry Christmas,happy holiday whatever you got
going on there happy Hanukkah,kwanzaa and the plethora of
other holidays that arehappening this time of year.
So in today's episode, we'restarting off with a triumphant
(03:41):
story for all sport fishingenthusiasts in New York.
Recently, there was asignificant victory against a
state's attempt to push througha mandatory fishing license.
This proposal, which came as asurprise to many well, not me,
but many outside aimed tointroduce a sort of fishing
(04:02):
license the sport fishing.
Luckily, the sport fishingcommunity was swift and united.
Anglers, fishing clubs, variousstakeholders in the industry
came together to voice theirconcerns.
We did get a lot of help fromour elected representatives.
(04:25):
Through a series of wellcoordinated efforts, including
petitions, public forums anddirect lobbying with state
representatives, the communitymade its stands clear.
The message was that sportfishing is not just a hobby, but
it's a vital part of New York'sculture and recreational life,
(04:46):
deserving of support rather thanmore barriers.
So, in summary, we won one fora change and it's really
encouraging to know that we canstill have our voices heard,
(05:08):
should we unite and get on thesame page.
You know there were a lot ofefforts to push this thing
through and luckily we were ableto stop it in its tracks.
So you know, it was a bigvictory and it's something we
(05:29):
all need to be proud of.
Watch for it to come back innext year, I suspect maybe not
next year, I don't know.
It's, you know, presidentialelection year, I don't know.
You know, maybe they won't nextyear.
Who wants to add a tax?
Because that's all it is a taxand inconvenience.
It in no way helps ourfisheries.
(05:52):
Our access to fisheries helpsthem out, and if you doubt that,
think about 2009 to 2011,.
That things increase and getbetter for you?
I really don't think so.
I mean, I didn't see it.
Maybe you did Didn't work then.
It's not going to work now.
And I love the fact that NewYork I mean, let's face it,
(06:15):
we're not the most conservativestate in the union that we're
one of like three survivingstates that don't have a salt
water license, go figure.
Well, let's move on from that.
There's other news in fisheriesmanagement.
Unfortunately, none of it isgood.
All of it is bad for anglersanyhow.
(06:38):
In one case, I actually thinkit's bad for a strike bass, and
I'll explain that to you.
So the strike bass board met andthey came out with their three
options, which they usually do,and in many cases they mean
nothing because in the majorityof cases, it turns out that to
(06:59):
be their preferred option.
So the number one option isstatus quo one fish at 28 inches
to 35 inches, with 2017 seasonsfor all models.
Option B is one fish at 28 to31, which is what we had most of
(07:25):
the time Last year.
Option C wow, they got a lot ofthem one fish at 28 to 31 and
then a separate category forboats for hire.
That would be one 28 to 33.
I'll get into this boats forhire category in a minute.
So, option D one fish at 30 to33.
(07:48):
And then you've got E1 at 30 to33.
And it would be a separate forhire option, which is one fish
between 28 and 33.
So when we look at this I don'twant to bore you all with all
(08:14):
these numbers I got to tell you.
I know their preferred option,which is probably the one that's
going to happen, which makes nosense to me whatsoever, is
option C one fish at 28 to 31and then one 28 to 33 on a boat
(08:35):
for hire.
So two things here.
One is we're starting to seethis separate category for boats
for hire, so this is a categoryfor charter boats and porty
boats.
I've always been, I was, afraidthis and posed to it 30 years
ago, 35 years ago, because Ifeel it's going to add
(08:57):
dissension between recreationalanglers and the industry.
So, as it turns out, here itcomes, it's coming more and more
.
You got it with scup, you'vegot it with Stripe Bass.
Now it's going to increase eachand every year.
They'll start getting their ownquota pretty much for every
(09:21):
fishery and that's going toleave recreational angles out in
the cold.
So we need to stay united.
Now let's look at the ones thatare really I mean the Stripe
Bass thing.
Look.
Before I move on, I just wantto mention a couple of things.
One is their preferred optionis one fish at 28 to 31.
(09:42):
If we think about why they wentto this 28 to 31, it was
because we were targeting asingle year, class 2015.
Is it still the senior classwith fishing?
That's the question, or are wenow going into the year class Is
(10:05):
?
That didn't look good in theY-O-Y.
That's the first question.
And the second question is,again my problem with fisheries
management is always there is nocommon sense, right?
Does it make sense?
I am actually scared for thisfishery that they are now
(10:26):
mismanaging it here and we arenow pounding those fish.
Every time I see it.
I mean think about it.
Every bass that was taken homethis year was 28 to 31 inches.
How many of them are there?
That's the first thing.
The other thing is and I'm justgoing to touch on it quick
because nobody listens to thisin fisheries management Again,
(10:50):
common sense.
There is no doubt, and it cannotbe argued, that we have seen
the single best striped bass run.
In my lifetime.
I've never seen anything likethis.
I've never seen so many bigfish, so many small fish.
We have fish of every singlesize being caught.
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If anything, the fish wouldn'treally not see other smaller,
smaller fish.
So what are we doing?
I don't know.
It makes no common sense.
Let's move on the next thingwe're looking at, which really
doesn't look too good, andthere's a council meeting going
on right now, but I wanted toget this podcast out.
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So I'll update you on thatcouncil meeting, probably next
week, if I can, before Christmas, if not right after Christmas.
Ok, now for the call in thestocking.
I'm going to run through thisquick because I tend to get
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crazy about these things, but inthis case I am going to stay
calm.
The striped bass is somethingthat's got me very concerned.
I don't like the way they'remanaging it.
I don't agree with the waythey're managing it.
I don't agree with theirnumbers.
I think that the fish aremoving out of Chesapeake and
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more of the fish are coming here.
They're just not going backdown there.
Who wants to go to that swamp?
And you can be up here with allthe bait and the clean waters
we have in New York.
You can't even compare the two.
The Hudson River is a lotcleaner than that freaking
Chesapeake Bay, I'll tell youright now.
It's a lot healthier and wemanage it better.
But now we're not, we arepounding.
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We're going to look.
The preferred option is alldifferent options and I don't
even want to get into it.
It's like five or six.
The only one that reallymatters is their preferred
option, because I'm going to sayeight out of 10 times.
That's what you're going to get.
So their preferred option isagain to go with a 28 to 31 inch
fish.
But they are also going to havea separate category for charter
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and party boats.
If you pay, you'll be able toget a 28 to I think it's 35 inch
fish, maybe 32 inch.
So they're going to be allowedto keep them.
You're not, and we're justgoing to keep pounding and
pounding and pounding andthrowing back more 30 and 40
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pounds striped bass than we haveever seen it has ever.
I mean, look, the mostconservative people in this
fishery that are involved inthis fishery are all saying the
same thing there's plenty offish, but anyway.
So they're going to keep us atthat, what I call the lottery
slot.
You know that 28 to 31 inches.
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I mean it's ridiculous and Idon't think it's helping the
fishery.
The other fisheries, just abouteverything is going to be cut
back except for black fish.
At this point they're lookingat a 10% reduction in a scup,
10% reduction in sea bass andthe big one which is going to be
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felt up and down the coast is a28% reduction in fluke.
So that immediately puts us,takes us down from four
fishermen to three fishermen andit probably increases the
minimum size limit.
We haven't seen numbers on whatthat's going to be.
So this is what this is thecall in the stocking.
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We did get a huge present withthe license, but this is what we
have to look forward to in thefuture.
Last thing I'm going to say onmanagement right now because I'm
really up and excited.
You know, victory is huge asfar as beating down this
saltwater license.
We were told when we firststarted to go after it that
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you're never going to stop it.
And we did.
We honestly did when we got onthe phone, we did the work.
We lobbied people in Albany, welobbied our representatives, we
went out and did what we had todo and we do not have a
saltwater license next year, andthose of you that want it okay,
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don't know why.
It's not going to help anything, but that's okay.
You got your own view.
Even the way that survey waswritten.
Folks sent the message theydon't want it.
So we're free to fish again, atleast for 2024.
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Well, I guess it's time to talkabout Christmas presents and
who would like what.
I could tell you what I want.
I want a forward facing sonarIn the salt.
Guys are using them down inFlorida right now.
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I was on a boat with one of themBeyond belief, totally amazing.
We were reading the bottom andwe could actually knew when a
grouper was going to bite ourline.
We would watch it.
It was absolutely crazy.
(16:27):
Then we got into a school ofsnappers a calm lane snapper and
we were able to see exactly howdeep they were.
Look, we have fish finders,right.
That's one thing.
This is a whole differentanimal.
I've been using one in freshwater for a while and I often
wondered why we didn't use it insalt water.
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And I'm telling you, this thingis a game changer.
It's so good that they arelooking to ban it in bass master
tournaments.
It literally is like playing agame.
You jig your lure and you watchthe fish coming in.
I mean, you don't see an actualfish, but you see the form of a
fish.
Sometimes you'll actually catcha tail, but you watch it and if
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it's not going at your lure,you can make adjustments.
It's almost like a video game,but it isn't a video game.
When you hook up, you arehooked up and to give an example
again I'm going to fresh water,but it works in fresh water
right.
So if it works in fresh waterin low water conditions, why
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wouldn't it work in back bass?
Oh, it does work.
In back bass.
You can see from like 200 feet,100 feet, 200 feet out where
the fish are.
This thing will spot bait likenothing you've ever seen and,
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like in the case of fresh water,I find a bowl of bait.
I'm throwing a jerk bait overthat and I watch the fish and
I'm like, okay, I got to get adeeper jerk bait and I put on a
deeper one.
I get right down to the top ofthat bait bowl and, man, there's
nothing like a jerk baitfishing, which again, they do
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that in Florida in salt waterand there's actually there's a
lot of people that are fishingjerk baits now for fluke from
the shore.
Looking up on YouTube, they arevery, very effective, they're
using great bait and it's somuch fun to fish because you're
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kind of jerking it and then youleave slack in the line and you
kind of count or whatever.
You delay and then maybe you'llpop it a couple of times, but
it's nothing like that andLaura's kind of floating in
there or something.
Bang, they hit that thing.
So I'm going to get a.
I mean, I have one, so I'mgoing to rig this thing up.
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They've got many options whereyou could just take it off and
put it on a salt water boat, andthat's exactly what I'm going
to do.
I encourage everyone to lookinto getting one of these
forward facing sonars.
If you are serious aboutfishing and you want to make an
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investment, I'm telling youthese things are unbelievable.
And for you, ice fishing, oryou, you know, I mean my friend
Steve.
I'm sure he's going to belistening to this.
You know he fishes everywhereat Lake Long Island Sound, he
ice fishes.
Those things work in all thoseconditions and they there's
(19:39):
nothing that can compete withthem.
Like I said before, bass mastersmay actually ban them from
their tone.
Well, and also major leaguefishing.
They may both ban them becausethey're they have actually been
gamers that have entered thetour and have out caught
professional fishermen, becausethey know how to.
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You know, they know what theaction on the screen needs to
look like.
So look into it.
It's forward facing sonar.
They have a bunch of them.
I'm a active target guy.
I, you know.
I looked into it and it reallyseems to be one of the best
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that's set up.
Oh look, there's stuff comingout every day.
I hear Power Pole has onecoming out for saltwater also.
So keep your eyes open for that.
I'm telling you, it's a gamechanger.
It is much more effective thana bottom reader, but you do, you
still need both.
But I tell you you reallyshould check one out.
(20:47):
Well, that would be on my list,so I'd be curious to know
what's on your list.
Maybe you want to post that upin NewYorkAnglercom.
Or, if I do manage a videoversion, you can do it at
youtubecom, although I don'tthink this one actually will be
on YouTube yet.
(21:07):
So I want you all to considervisiting NewYorkAnglercom,
subscribing to this podcast,liking our videos.
You see, when you like thingsor you rate things, it doesn't
matter how many people you are.
(21:28):
It helps get the algorithmkicked in and we are in for a
huge upgrade here atNewYorkAngler.
We've got a lot of things goingon.
The advent of artificialintelligence is a revolution
like we have never seen sincethe internet began.
(21:49):
It's changing everything and weare going to be at the
forefront of that.
People that were unable toafford a staff of videos,
celebrities and audios andcontent writers and all that.
We don't need that anymore.
Those, all of those people arelosing their jobs.
(22:09):
Sadly, espn just announced theywill be getting rid of all
their beat writers.
I mean, why have a writer whenartificial intelligence can do
not only the same thing but doit better?
I know it's hard for you tounderstand, but trust me, this
come from the guy that had thefirst phishing website ever in
(22:32):
history.
Name domain names were freeback then and I recognize that
and I recognize this.
The world is changing with AIand I suggest you folks learn it
and learn it as fast as you can.
It's really easy, super easy.
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Okay, that's going to basicallywrap up this episode.
As I mentioned, look for majorupgrades at myanglercom as we
concentrate more on the websitethis season.
We're starting a YouTubechannel.
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I know we're late to the game.
It doesn't matter, we willcatch up and we will look.
We're doing pretty well now.
So when I start adding all thiscontent, my team starts doing
the videos without all thatoverhead.
I think you're gonna reallylove the website.
(23:38):
So please get down there andagain, like, interact with
anything, especially YouTube,and we're gonna start the TikTok
, even though I literally havenever even looked at TikTok and
Instagram.
All these shorts and videos andstuff like that.
But more importantly, you willbe seeing how two articles added
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almost daily as we move intothe new year.
Again, I wish you all America.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Thank you for listening to the New York Angler
podcast.
You can find more on FishingNew York Waters at NYUanglercom,
your secret spot online.
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