October 29, 2024 • 56 mins
SPICY EPISODE HERE!! What if the struggles of your favorite sports teams could be changed by a simple tweak in leadership? That is being a Chicago Bears fan. We dissect the high-stakes decision-making of head coach Matt Eberflus and the essential role of a strong team culture and why the Bears' management must make decisive action to prevent future disappointments.
We go through a few NFL talking points but focus on Anthony Richardson. Sean is disappointed in the decision to bench him. Regardless if he took himself out of the game or now.
MLB Postseason pressure is real, especially for the New York Yankees' Aaron Judge, and thats how we close the episode. The legacy of Yankees legends is built in October, and we compare current struggles to the triumphs of past icons like Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
No ketchup, no ketchup.
What's good, my people.
Welcome to no Catch-Up SportsTalk via Chicago.
I am your host, sean Little BigNick McQuick with me.
As always, we got a lot to talkabout.
We missed last week.
We're both working but we'reback in the saddle.
Nba is off and running Openingweek.
What do we think?
So far the Bucs have lookedpitiful.
The Denver Nuggets have lookedpitiful.
(00:45):
Needed overtime in Toronto toget that W A lot of NBA stuff to
talk about.
Boston Looks like Boston NFLrecap.
What are we at?
Nick Week nine, coming in Week10?
Loading.
We're right around there.
We're rolling.
We got to recap the ChicagoBears and the Hail Mary and just
talk about where we're at.
(01:06):
Matt Eberfluss, the colors areshowing.
We told you they would the team.
I almost did the whole podright there.
I got to chill.
We're going to talk about theBears catching an L and then
look around the league a littlebit.
Also, I want to talk about theYankees are down 3-0 in the
World Series and I want to talkabout Aaron Judge and his
struggles at the plate.
(01:27):
How do we rate guys like this?
We got to talk about thatsituation.
Shout out Freddie Freeman.
He's doing his thing and I'mgoing to tell you a little bit
about my weekend over in Europe.
To catch a couple footballmatches no catch-ups, sports
Talk V-Chicago.
Let's get to it.
Big Nick, the Quick.
What's happening?
How are we feeling?
Man, we're here, I'm happy tobe back bro.
We only missed a week.
(01:48):
Feels like we missed a month.
Yeah, it was a busy week.
So much stuff has happened.
I apologize to all the loyallisteners and watchers out there
.
I'm trying to do it all rightnow.
I'm trying to do it all bymyself.
Nick's trying to do the same,and we had to miss a week.
(02:10):
But we're going to.
We're going to try not to letthat happen.
Let's get right into it.
I won't waste too much time, but, nick, I went over to hey from
New York.
If you're in on the East coastand you're listening to this,
you can do the Europe weekender.
It's possible.
I just did it.
It is very doable.
You're going to be behind onsleep for maybe one day, but I
got a good, solid 10 hours ofsleep last night.
I watched this morning you knowme on the East Coast get up,
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get the coffee, watch whatever Imissed last night.
So I was up at like 6 am thismorning watching hoops.
It's doable.
I left on the red-eye on Fridayafter I worked the Knicks game
home opener.
They got the dub.
I left on the red eye last houron Friday after I worked the
next game home opener.
They got the dub beat up on thePacers.
Took the red eye to Spain.
Landed in Madrid at 10 AM.
Was that the foot?
Was that lunch by 1 PM, had adrink by 3 PM, was at the match
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by 8 PM.
Went to London, caught anothermatch Arsenal-Liverpool both
really fun games and I leftMonday morning and was back in
New York by 1230.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's doable.
It's doable.
You brought a lot of luck outthere for your teams too.
Brought a lot of luck to RealMadrid.
Brought a lot of luck toArsenal, man, so maybe you
should go to more matches.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, 4-0 Barcelona.
Yamin Lamal is a 17-year-oldphenom that knows he's a phenom
was chirping the Madrid fans.
It was actually a really,really interesting game.
Part of me thinks that matchcost Vinicius Jr the bolandor
last night who went to Rodri,but that's a whole other
conversation.
(03:41):
I think part of that.
I believe the voting was stillopen as late as Saturday, so
that was really interesting, butbecause he was a huge favorite
going into the ceremony and yeah.
So I don't want to get too offtopic and start talking ball.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Shout out Vinny Jr.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Shout out Vinny Jr, man Vinicius, he had an awesome
year.
He probably should have won theaward.
We get to London.
I'm sitting on the end Soccerscores the opening goal 1-0.
It was absolutely electric.
I actually got to get somesocial up.
I'm going to try to chop upsome posts and do like a little
vlog so y'all can peep the funweekend.
(04:19):
But I'll get to that.
But let's get to the matter athand.
Let's talk big nick the quickabout the chicago bears, then
we'll do a little nfl roundupman going it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I tried.
I'll let you go.
I'll let you go.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No okay, yeah, this is.
This is where I was at with itfirst of all.
I was watching it from londonlive at a pub and I got my tweet
off.
After the hell, m Mary and Iimmediately went back to the
hotel and went to sleep.
That was it.
I got my tweet off.
I literally was watching up thestreet.
I walked a block, I saw ithappen, I tweeted and I walked
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out the door and I went to sleep.
I was sleeping.
In 15 minutes it was done.
I don't need to say anymore doanything else.
I don't need to watch.
Any was done.
I don't need to say anymore.
Do anything else.
I don't need to watch any morehighlights.
I don't need to hear anybreakdown.
I don't need to hear any ofthat.
But it was a classic, nick, youbeat up on a couple bad teams,
but you do thump them and youare playing better.
And you go into the bye weekand everyone is blowing smoke
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positive smoke up your ass fortwo weeks.
Everyone is blowing smokepositive smoke up your ass for
two weeks.
You guys are playing so muchbetter.
You guys are so good.
Shane Waldron is calling betterplays.
Matt Eberflus has the defenseplaying so well.
Caleb Williams is one of thoseguys, and he is one of those
guys.
We'll get to that in a second.
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But you're going to come outflat and that exactly how they.
They came out so fucking flat.
It was unbelievable.
They were not interested inthat game whatsoever.
It was clear.
They took the two weeks tochill and and had a blast and
they are a good football teamnow and that is a void of
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coaching, that is a void of bigtime leadership, because,
overall, who are the older guyson the squad?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I guess keenan allen and, but like there's a lot of
different things that can happen, the leadership on the team is
the dj moore, the jaylon johnson, the cole commit type guys.
You don't really have it, Imean probably like a tremaine
edwards and guys like that.
Yeah, and he hasn't beenplaying correct, so or?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
wasn't playing or nick the leaders.
The head coach of the footballteam oh yeah, how about that?
you can start there you canstart there right.
We're looking for leadershipfrom the guy that's had his
sixth start in the nfl and he's22 years old.
But how about the head coach isthe leader and make sure shit's
getting done.
And I'm going to give you themic here in a second Big Nick to
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quick.
But Jalen Johnson on record,comes out and says you know, the
Tyreek Stevenson shit wasunacceptable.
He talked.
Cole Komet made a comment thatplayers were lax in practice,
weren't finishing reps, shit wasreal, real laxadaisical during
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the bye week and during practice.
And those are the things thatneed to be cleaned up.
Jalen Johnson then confirmed,said you know, cole Komet never
lied and that's actually true.
And they came in a littlelaxadaisical and weren't focused
throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And specifically referenced details.
If you listen to JalenJohnson's interview specifically
referenced, we're not asdetailed as we should be, which
a thousand percent falls oncoaching he mentioned
detail-oriented.
We're not a detail-orientedgroup.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
When things happen incorrectly, we're not focused
on getting them fixed.
They're kind of passed over.
They're not fixed, talked about, corrected, so they won't
happen again.
It's the attention to detailthat's the problem with Matt
Eberflus and the Chicago Bears.
(08:04):
That's the problem with MattEberflus and the Chicago Bears.
Last thing, nick, before I giveit to you this is why it's so
important to dissect wins andintention to detail and things
that Eberflus and coaching cando better in wins and not only
losses, because if that balldoes get knocked down and the
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Bears win, we absolutely stole.
The game played like garbage forthree quarters and the play
before still happened.
Tyreek Stevenson is stillchirping in the corner.
All that stuff doesn't getamplified unless the Bears lose
and the hell mary happens.
That's why sometimes you doneed to be critical in w's.
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That's why sometimes me andnick don't get overhyped and and
get too out over our skis whenwe're talking about the bears
and where we need to be big nickto quick take it away before I
just do the solo pod and startrunning off.
But yeah, where are you at withIbraflux?
The game overall, the approach,how they came in and then where
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we're at right now.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Offensively, absolutely came out like you hit
it right on the head.
They came out completely flaton offense.
No imagination, no creativity,no building on what you had had
in the previous two games.
Looked like the Bears offensedid the first couple weeks of
the season where it was just ahope and a prayer, and maybe
Caleb's going to do somethingfor us.
You can talk about handing theball.
(09:35):
We talk about this all the time.
We can go back to Nagy withthis goal line foolery that for
some reason, the Bears continueto participate in in.
Remember when we had thespecial teamer blocking at the
goal line in week two.
Remember when we had um, thezone read option on the goal
line in week three.
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Well, now we fast forward toright now when, again, waldron's
been getting a lot of credit asan offensive coordinator and
calling better plays.
You get to the goal line andyou hand it off to a backup
center.
Look, I don't care how manytimes Orlovsky tries to break it
down and tell us it's a goodplay.
It is not a good play.
Line up and play football.
So that's number one.
(10:17):
Now we can talk about the HailMary situation, but let's talk
about, before that, mattEberflus.
We've been on him since day oneabout his game management and
his lack of football intellect.
I don't remember who caught thepass, but it was in the fourth
quarter.
Jalen daniels completed like a15 yard pass up the middle.
That 1000 landed on the groundas dude was catching it.
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Redskins hurried up and ran thenext play.
Bears did not challenge that.
How many times have we talkedabout Ibraflux throwing
challenges on plays that wereclearly catches?
That happened in front of them,but in this one you don't
challenge that.
No one's talking about thatbecause of the Hail Mary, but
that was a pivotal play in thisgame.
(11:00):
If you have that clip or if youremember who it was, let me
know.
Keep me honest here.
I don't remember, but I knowexactly what player you're
talking about.
You know play I'm talking about.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so youcan talk about that, which no
one's talking about.
Then we get to the hail marysituation.
Look, it's been broken down anddissected by everybody.
Um, you can watch the clips.
You can watch.
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Get up.
You can watch first take.
You can watch live.
You can watch whatever you want.
There was a million differentthings that went wrong on that
play and 999,000 of them werecoaching related.
A thousand percent.
That falls on Eber Flus, thatfalls on the defensive
coordinator, that falls on notbeing prepared for that
situation.
There was only one outcome ithad to go to the end zone.
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Had to go to the end zone.
Why do you have a guy spying asif Jaden Daniels is going to
run it for 70 yards for atouchdown?
Why, on the play before, do youlet them pick up 15 by going
into soft coverage, knowing thaton that particular play there
was no way you were going to getin the end zone because he
would have had to heave it 85yards?
Then you give up the 15.
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You put them in position tocomplete the Hail Mary.
You have a guy who's off on thesidelines for an entire five
seconds taunting the crowd.
You have TJ Edwards playing spyas if it's Mike Vick, mad in
2004, back there and he mightbreak off for 85-yard run.
That Vikings playikers play wasin the fold you're not calling a
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timeout before, even though youhave three of them to get your
guys set up.
Once you see how the I'm sorry,how the commanders are gonna
line up, you don't do any ofthat.
You just let it happen.
You stand there and watch as abystander and then after the
game, you offer up nothing byway of explanation.
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Then the next day, your playersthrow you under the bus and
roll it over about five or sixtimes.
It's very clear what's going onhere.
I tried not to be mad about thisbecause ultimately, like I told
, everything for me this year isbased around Caleb Williams,
and in the fourth quarter, calebWilliams was absolutely
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outstanding.
Right, we talk about winningtime, we talk about making plays
.
He had two scoring drives.
One was taken away by some dumbshit, but he did have two
scoring drives.
Right, because they scored ascore to touchdown the one where
they pass it headed off to thebackup center, but they didn't.
They scored a touchdown on theone where they headed off to the
backup center, but they didn't.
Caleb gets the ball back andleads them on another
spectacular scoring drive whereall he does is make winning play
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after winning play, even thoughhe had had a subpar game up to
that point, but all of it iswashed away by bad coaching,
lack of discipline.
How many pre-snap penalties arewe going to get?
Seriously, how many pre-snappenalties can you have as a
football team?
That is lack of discipline.
That comes down to coaching.
So again, I tried not to be mad, but I think watching
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everything yesterday reallyreally made me upset.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Um, and it's inexcusable and no, it's clear,
it comes down to coaching andculture it's clear that ibra
flusa is just very blasé.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Very indifferent, oh yeah he's a player's coach.
These guys love me.
I'm a rah-rah guy, Well clearlyverbatim.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He came out and said the play before the Hail Mary
doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter, that didn'tmatter.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
He said that verbatim .
It doesn't matter.
He's talking about execution.
But all this shit staggers andstacks up on each other to the
Hail Mary.
If you maybe challenge thecatch over the middle, maybe
we're not in the situation.
If you stop and press thecorners and don't let them pick
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up 15, 16 yards so the Hail Maryis possible, then the Hail Mary
doesn't get caught.
Then there is not.
Even Tyreek Stevenson is not inthe corner.
It's very butter.
Life in general is just verybutterfly effect.
This decision you're makingright now is going to affect
something that's going on laterin the day or later in the week.
It all is tied together and itgoes back to the week prior.
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In practice he's very eithernot aware and doesn't know how
to run and he's over his head.
That's I think he's in over hishead.
The simplest way to put it ishe's in over his head.
That's the easiest way to putit.
Yeah, because when your playersare coming out and they're
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saying, yeah, the week goinginto practice, we weren't locked
in, people weren't finishingreps coming off of a bye coming
off of a bye.
The coaches aren't the.
The attention to detail wasn'tthere.
Do you do?
You look?
I don't let me get it.
I want to get the exact number,andy Reid, off of a bye week
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record.
It's like ridiculous.
Let me see what comes up.
Yeah, he's 21 and fourfollowing a regular season bye
week.
Do you know how, do you?
That's not a accident, that'snot a fluke.
He's going into the bye weekand he's getting in the lab and
getting the team ready to go.
They are ready to go.
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That's in his career.
That's not just Patrick Mahomesthat's going back to
Philadelphia.
He has an extra week to prepareand he has guys ready to go.
The team comes out after thegame.
Cole Komet gets on a mic andsays guys weren't finishing reps
.
No one was locked in, theattention to detail wasn't there
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and it's purely clearly becausethe team was getting a ton of
love.
They relaxed.
Hey, I'll be honest as a sportsbetter as a guy, when I'm going
through things and I'm on firefor three straight weeks, that
fourth week I'm not probably inthe lab like I should be, and
that's what separates the realdudes from the next level guys.
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If you can win the week and gointo the next week like you
don't deserve shit or not owedanything or you don't know we
have to win the next game, thoseare the guys that are different
.
Matt Eberflus and that staffclearly aren't running shit
correctly.
They're riding high and, oh,everything is good, blase, blase
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.
Oh, that play doesn't matter,we'll just knock the pass down.
This guy is not a head coach,not a leader of a franchise
that's going to get us to thenext level.
And when I'm talking about theBears, I'm talking about big
picture things and winning gamesand, important, hosting playoff
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games.
That's what this shit is about,and Matt Eberflus is not going
to take us there.
It's clear.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
A thousand percent and that was the fear when they
started winning all these gamesthat it was going to hide all
this shit about Eberflus that wehave been seeing forever.
Again, that challenge to mespeaks volumes.
I know it's not being talkedabout, but if you look at some
of the shit that he haschallenged to not challenge that
in that situation, when you aresitting on three timeouts,
right, it speaks volumes.
(18:08):
The fact that cole came out andbasically said let's call it
what it is, I'm not surprisedthat happened.
You should see us during theweek, right?
That's the fact that jaylencame out and said yeah, I'm not
surprised.
Cole said that you should seeus during the week, right, these
are two of your highest profileplayers.
These are two guys who are oncontract number two.
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These are two leaders of yourteam.
The fact that the whole gamegoes by it's National Tight Ends
Day you have tight ends allover the league making plays.
Shout out my boy, kyle Pittswith two touchdowns.
We still waiting on Kyle Pittswith two touchdowns.
We still waiting on Kyle Pitts.
It's okay, I never left.
And Cole Komet doesn't gettargeted all game.
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He had no targets.
He had no targets.
We've been talking about thisfor years.
Cole Komet is extremelyvaluable.
He should be a number one focuson your game plan offensively
for a rookie quarterback Period,point blank.
Why does he have a game planwhere he's not getting targeted
for the majority of the game,especially when you can't do
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shit in the passing offense?
Right?
This offensive line still hasproblems.
You haven't done anything tofix that.
Then your solution when you getdown into a goal line situation
where all you need to do isline them up and score, you put
in a backup center and hand theball off to him and we're
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supposed to be surprised when hefumbles it.
And then after the game again,you offer no explanation on
anything.
On anything.
Most coaches would be seething.
Could you imagine if thathappened to Bill Belichick?
Could you imagine the presseron that one?
I mean, come on, man, you sitthere.
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It didn't matter before that.
We essentially put them intoHail Mary range.
That is situational football.
You have to know the situationthat can happen at every spot on
the field.
If you give up 15 on that playbefore a play when they were not
in Hail Mary range, there's nota quarterback alive that can
make that throw.
You could bring Kyle Bowlerfrom one knee.
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He's not making that throw, butwe put him back up 15 yards and
guess what?
A lot of guys can make thatthrow.
So how can you come out thereand say it doesn't matter, it
doesn't matter?
Yeah, we know that because youcalled a defense where it
doesn't matter.
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You went into a prevent defenseand gave them 15.
If I'm Kingsbury, I'm like, ohmy God, how much easier could
you make this for us?
Then you don't call a timeoutbefore the Hail Mary.
Once you get a look into whatthey're doing and to remind your
guys of what they should do,hey, bat this ball forward.
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The worst thing you can do istip this ball and have it go
backwards.
Make sure that someone iscovering the end zone, because
they're going to put a guy backthere whose sole responsibility
is to watch the ball and figureout where it's going to go,
which is exactly what they did.
That's the only way you lose onthese plays.
There's only a couple ways youcan lose on these plays and
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you're supposed to be coveringthat, and that's why you call a
timeout.
Matt, you can't take them withyou.
If you keep three in thissecond half, it doesn't mean you
have six to start the firsthalf next week.
That's not how it goes.
Call the timeouts and use them.
Get in somebody's ass oh,that's not his style.
But it's not his style becauseyou want to be a rah-rah Listen,
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you want to be a buddy-buddy,rah, rah guy.
That's what he is.
We saw it in hard knocks.
Hey guys, what's up?
Man Jimbo got a nickname foreverybody.
Come on, man, come on.
It was a winnable football gameand your quarterback did
everything, despite your bestefforts on the offensive line,
to sabotage him on Sunday In thefourth quarter.
It cannot go understated.
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Caleb Williams was magnificent.
He was magnificent in thefourth quarter.
It cannot go understated.
Caleb Williams was magnificent.
He was magnificent in thefourth quarter.
Both of those drives, he wasabsolutely magnificent.
We talk about winning football.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I have not wavered, honestly the fourth quarter made
me completely forget about theentire first quarter.
I almost don't care.
Without a doubt, he wasunbelievable, unbelievable
making plays.
I'm talking about making playssidearm sling.
I mean, he was unbelievableWith his legs.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I gotta pick up 10 here doing this.
I'm gonna do that.
I'm throwing sidearm, I'mgetting the ball to guys in
whatever way and if it's not,I'm tucking and running that
bitch.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, the progression .
On one of the drives when hehad two, he was looking left
with two feet planted lookingleft.
Goes to the.
The second read flips his hipsto get his left foot forward
because, as you're told, as aquarterback, proper mechanics if
you get like leg, front, frontleg and arm should be going
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towards your target right, likethat helps with accuracy.
He flips the hips, goes to theseam.
To Keenan Allen I believe hewas sensational in the fourth
Sensational Now Kevin Warren.
Yeah, now, kevin Warren.
I want to be clear, like RyanPauls and Kevin Warren, if I'm
hearing what the players aresaying about attention to detail
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and shit throughout the weekand a bye week and coming in
flat, they basically said weknew we were going to come in
flat because we fucked aroundall week.
If I'm hearing that and I'mPoles and Kevin Warren, that is
very damning for Ibra Floues andthe rest of the coaching staff
and also Nick, I want to hearwhat you think about this.
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It's really interesting to methat the players were so
comfortable coming out andsaying that.
I have my thoughts on that too.
Yeah, like hey, yeah, man, wewere fucking around all weekend.
He didn't have us ready and theattention to detail is really
not there and they're justrelaxed.
Yeah, man, he didn't really.
We were fucking around all weekand he didn't have us ready and
the attention to detail isreally not there and they're
just.
They're just relaxed during theweek, saying this on
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microphones, on podcasts, onradio shows.
It's just another example ofthe culture and you don't have
shit under control.
Players, for certain coachesthroughout this league, would
never say that would never evenif, even if they thought it, if
they thought it and believed itand it was something that was
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being said throughout the teamin the locker room they would
never go out in public into themedia and relay it ever.
It just shows to me they don'tbelieve in him, they don't
respect him.
They he's just.
You know, he's not a head coachin the nfl, they just, like us,
they don't believe he's the guythat's going to take him to the
(24:54):
promised land.
Because if that really was thecase, they would never come out
and say that like.
I'll give you one more examplebefore I give it to you.
Dan campbell is a trigger man,goes for it.
Gut feeling.
If I feel like this could flipthe momentum in a game, um, I'll
do it.
Sometimes it doesn't work out,other times it does, but I can
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guarantee you, with that cultureright now and what they got
going on in detroit, campbellcould go for it on his own five
yard line on a fake punt, and ifthey asked the players what
they thought about it, theywould say, hey, campbell called
it.
We're going to try and go outthere and execute.
We didn't get it done.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Next, time we'll get it done.
We do it again in a heartbeat.
We trust our coach implicitly.
Exactly, we trust our coachimplicitly.
That is not what happened withthe Chicago Bears.
And look, I think part of it onfrom the players, and especially
on the defensive guys, is alittle bit of deflection, right,
because, again, at the end ofthe day, you were out there and
you guys could have made adifference.
But when you see people arepiling on the coach, hey, I'll
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hop on that too, because wedon't got to talk about me, um,
so I think that that's part ofit.
But they're not wrong to yourpoint.
If you had a strong culturearound your head coach, if guys
believe that the head coach had,um, whatever the proper
philosophy I'm losing the wordright here whatever it is right,
if guys believed in their headcoach, I think your example, I
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think your campbell example, isprime, because there are times
when I'm watching the detroitlions, he'll go for it on fourth
and down.
I'm like man, that's a reallybad decision, right.
A really, really, really.
There's one of the Vikings gamewhere I'm just like man.
That's an awful decision, butno one's going to question it
because everything else he doesis correct and you know that
he's doing it from the rightplace and the guy has an idea of
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what he's doing.
And the guy has an idea of whathe's doing.
Guys know when their head coachhas absolutely no idea what's
going on, they know that he hasno idea what's going on.
That's why they have no problemthrowing him under the bus.
And I think it's very tellingthat not only was it just an
offensive guy that did it right,because Ibraflus is a defensive
head coach.
Those are his guys.
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It was a defensive guy and itwas one of your most prominent,
if not your best player ondefense that came out and said
that right, so that to me speaksvolumes.
Could you imagine Lance Briggscoming on a Monday and throwing
Lovie Smith under the bus?
Could you imagine Nathan Basher, or whoever, adewale Ogule
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coming out and throwing Ly underthe bus.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Shout out Adewale Ogule Alex.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Brown, whoever it would be, would never happen,
even if Lovey had made thedumbest decision ever.
So to have one of your guys ondefense which is where we know
you spend the majority of yourtime throughout the week come
out and say, yeah, cole ain'tnever told a lie.
Come on, man, and casually sayit too.
It's not even like he had tothink about it.
It's not even like he had tothink about it.
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And again, you waste thisperformance from Caleb.
You waste it right.
You completely flip thenarrative.
You lead every show on Mondaywith your buffoonery.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And that's why you just have to pay attention to
details and wins and losses.
And let's be clear, the defenseshowed up in this game,
absolutely they did.
They gave up 12 points.
So like I got to push back alittle bit on you saying like
the players or whatever theywere, they could have executed
on the Hail Mary, but theyfucking executed every other
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play throughout the entire gameand offensively we weren't ready
to go, but just the culture.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You could also say that about the defensive
coordinator.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
He executed on every other play of the game until it
mattered sure no, correct, butwe should be scoring more than
18 points anyway, yeah weabsolutely should.
Yeah, against a defense that'snot very good, by the way, we're
not even talking about that.
So, overall, it's just not theguy that can take us to the
promised land.
He has to pack up and go, andwe've been saying that, hey,
(28:55):
we've been saying this literallybefore Caleb was on our team.
Yeah, hey, we need to resetthis whole thing.
If you go, justin Fields, calebor whatever you do, he cannot
be a part of the equation ifwe're going to be a serious
football team.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And here we are, coming off of mistake after
mistake, pre-snap penalty afterpre-snap penalty and if this
goes the way where it'spotentially headed, here we we
are again where second-yearquarterback with a new head
coach right and a new system anda new, everything and a new
system and all that and zerocontinuity.
And I'll tell you what right now, listen.
(29:32):
If you're Ryan Poles, hey,listen.
I put it in the group chat theother day Sign linemen, draft
linemen, trade for linemen,overpay for linemen I don't give
a damn.
It cannot look like this againnext year.
I have yet to meet thequarterback that can throw the
ball from his back.
The pocket is consistentlycollapsing around him.
(29:53):
You are plugging and playingguys left and right.
Um, you gotta figure somethingout.
And I don't blame the kid thatthey had out there, uh, was a
young left tackle after braxtonJones went down the rookie.
Yeah, I mean, listen, man, whatare you gonna do?
What are you gonna do the guys?
Guys, like a rookie fifth roundpick.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's gonna happen going down all the time.
Yeah, it needs to get deeper.
Yeah, it needs to get better.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It needs to get deeper.
It needs to get better.
Don't tell me you can't findthese guys.
Find them, they're there.
I love wide receivers, I loverunning backs, I love tight ends
.
All that's great.
None of that.
Shit matters if Caleb isrunning for his life and that's
how it's been all year.
Again, a couple weeks ofwinning is like lipstick on a
pig.
It's still a fucking pig.
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You still can't block for thisman, ibrahim Flus is still your
head coach.
These, this man, ibrahim Falouz, is still your head coach.
These are facts.
You have to change them.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
If you're Ryan Pulse, and maybe it's a blessing in
disguise last year, maybe theLions win the Super Bowl this
year, bears go and get BenJohnson and it's a happy ending.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
But we shall find out .
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Does Panay Sewell come with him?
Hopefully?
Maybe make it a packed deal.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Call up call up, call up.
San Fran has to pay theirquarterback next year.
Call them up, see if Trentwants to come over.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Trent's old, though I don't give a Trent's that guy
though.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Trent will run circles around anybody we have
on our line right now.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Coach, number one tone setter, get all that other
shit sorted.
And then yes, nick isabsolutely right, whatever is
necessary, go get some offensivelinemen that could do what is
needed to be done.
Yes, all right, we could.
We could talk.
I literally could talk an hourand a half on the bears, but we
got to move.
Let's talk rest about the nfl.
Big nick said right before wehopped on let's talk about the
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jets.
I don't really want to talkabout the Jets, the Cowboys, why
, that's your team.
These are the things I don'twant to talk about.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's your guy.
You went to MetLife, man.
That's your guy.
Tell me about the Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I don't want to talk about the Jets.
I don't want to talk about theCowboys.
I don't want to talk about theBengals.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
No, I don't want to talk about none of them.
The Bengals lost, that's right.
They got killed.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
They got smoked, yeah Shout out Jameis Winston.
Overall.
Shout out Jameis Winston.
He did his thing.
Can't talk about the Ravens,though.
That's a bad loss for a team.
That's a really bad loss.
That's also I.
I don't know what to expectfrom you.
This is the.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Their defense is really bad this year.
Their defense I mean you talkabout.
I understand they lost Queen.
They lost their coordinator.
That defense is bad this year.
It's nothing like the defensethey had last year.
Lamar has nobody that can catcha pass for him, Like we've been
talking about Lamar.
It's the defense more, but yes,yeah, but there were some
massive drops in that game,massive drops in that game.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, Kyle Hamilton had one.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, they dropped one on defense.
They dropped a couple on offenseand they only lost by one
touchdown.
But that defense has been sus.
Go back to that Bengals game.
If Lamar doesn't go absolutelyballistic, you lose that.
But they gave up 38 in thatgame.
They're very, very suspect andthey lose on a week where the
Steelers come out and win andyou put Mike Tomlin firmly in
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first place and then do a byeweek.
You want to talk about anotherguy who's not going to fuck
around with a bye.
It's going to be Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, there's just certain guys that are super
serious and don.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But in the NFL, when you talk about football in
general just like when you avoidteams on a week-to-week that
you don't know what to expect itgets really tough when you're
talking about betting and buyinglow and buying high on markets.
But right now there are justnot very many teams in the
league that you can count on andyou know what to expect on a
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week-to-week basis.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Chiefs' line is probably the safest bet every
week.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I was just going to say, outside of Kansas City, who
gets it done and makes ithappen, no matter the
circumstance.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Let's do a quick hit.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, look.
Well, actually that's actuallya good question, because I was
actually watching the tape alittle bit and I was going
through it.
There's a lot of bad stuff onthere.
There's some decent things too,but as football fans and as a
fan base and I'll speak for theColts fan base and front offices
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and everything we we draft aguy we know is completely wrong.
By the way, if you watchedAnthony Richardson at Florida,
he stunk.
It was terrible.
He was a 50% pass completer.
So he got to the league andwhat do you know?
He's completing the ball at 45,50%.
(34:54):
I think it's 44%.
Yes, like the completion belowexpectation is at the bottom of
the league.
He can't do anythingaccuracy-wise.
His mechanics aren't there,he's all over the place.
He's sloppy, but he was likethis at Florida and we knew what
were all the talks about.
Anthony Richardson coming in.
What a specimen.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Big arm.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, great athlete, this guy physically is special,
but he's very raw and he's goingto need a lot of work.
Same thing with Trey Lance.
This guy physically has it all.
He's going to need a lot ofwork, but then we get into.
By the way, anthony Richardsonhas played 13 games, 14 games
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maybe, I don't know the exactnumber.
But then we don't allow guys toput in the work and look really
bad for a long stretch of time.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't even think he's played that many.
I think he got hurt after likethe second or third game last
year.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
It's been hurt this year, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So we need to stop doing that.
Yes, he sucks right now helooks really bad, but we knew
that coming in he was going toneed a lot of work and a lot of
time.
So don't be baffled andconfused when Anthony Richardson
a 55, 50.
Baffled and confused whenAnthony Richardson, a 55, 50%
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pass completion guy at Florida,comes to the Colts and plays the
Titans defense and looks bad.
But, what do you think aboutpulling yourself out of a game,
texas?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
defense.
We could talk about that.
Yeah, the Texas yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So let me button up the previous point.
Let's give some of these dudeslegitimate amount of time.
Like a different example isBryce Young.
Coming in, was a Heisman winner, was polished, had a lot of big
wins.
We thought he would come in alot more polished and a lot
better.
People were verbatim out loudsaying Anthony Richardson is raw
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, he's not going to be very good, he needs time.
His mechanics are all over theplace and then when he comes in
and shows that, people areshocked and flabbergasted and
destroying him.
It's like we knew that already.
So give the guys proper time.
When you come in and know thatit's going to take a long time.
So that's where I'm at withAnthony Richardson Now.
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Anthony Richardson tapping thehead and being asked out of the
game and then that answerafterwards Is unacceptable and
this is where someone needs totalk to him.
Or he needs to be smarter or heneeds Nick him saying hey, I'm
(37:40):
not even going to lie to you, Iwas tired.
That's why I did it in thepostgame press conference.
Shows you he doesn't realizehow big of a stage and situation
that he is dealing with.
It's clear.
Oh yeah, he thinks he's stillplaying Vanderbilt.
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This is the NFL, bro, you haveto flat out.
You have to blatantly lie andsay I tweaked something, I
wasn't feeling right, I had toget over to the side to stretch
out a crit, make something up.
You cannot say you're tired andI had to come out of the game.
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That cannot come out of yourmouth, can't come out of your
mouth.
I have actually a big problemperiod with guys calling out of
games.
I think guys call out of gamesway too much Skill.
Guys call out of games.
I think guys call out of gamesway too much skill.
Guys call out of games all thetime.
Yo, nick, in the nfl you make a12 yard catch, you're
immediately calling for out ofthe game receivers coming out.
Yeah, I need a blow right nowyeah that didn't used to be the
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culture.
You fucking man.
You picked up 15, got up andwent, went right back to being
the Z or the X and you ran.
I don't like I'm trying tothink how many times I saw like
TO or Randy Moss or Chris Cartercall out Calvin.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Randy would call out the game, but he's staying in
the game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, Randy would call out of entire weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm going to jog this ball's entire weeks.
Yeah, I'm just going to jog.
This ball's not coming to me,so I'm going to jog.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Randy would call out of entire weeks.
I get it.
That's a bad example.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Alright, we're good, I'm good.
Yeah, randy wasn't.
Randy wasn't on it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But there's a lot of guys in the league right now
make a big play, immediatelycall out for the game.
I don't really love that.
But, anthony, if you are goingto, first of all don't fucking
tap your helmet so the entireuniverse can see.
How about you grab somethingand then like, jog off, walk off
and say, yo, I my, you know.
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Yeah, I tweaked something in myleg.
I wasn't really feeling great,but after I got up to the side I
had to get back on the fieldfor my guys, which I'm sure
happens a lot.
Yes, Damn near could haveflipped it into a positive, like
you know.
Hey, I'm just battling, I'mjust getting back.
It's my first week back.
I'm battling through things andI was just trying to.
Yeah, don't say I was tired inthe fourth quarter and you're
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losing games, games.
So, yes, those are my two takeson Anthony Richardson, but I
knew this was going to be.
I knew this, nick, I knew let'shey, nick, let's take a road
trip to Los Angeles.
It's going to take 20 hours.
And then hour nine.
You're like, actually I can't,why did I?
It's like you knew this wasgoing to take 20 hours.
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You knew what we were signingup for.
Why are you complaining aboutthis road trip in hour nine?
And you knew it was going to be20.
That's exactly where we're atwith Anthony Richardson.
All right, I got to get in.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, what are we doing?
We knew what we were talkingabout.
Let's get to hour 20 and thendecide what we want to do.
Like that's where I'm at onAnthony Richardson, and I'm not
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close or I don't think you'reclose at all either to the Colts
org.
I would love to see what'sactually going on in the back,
because how is he practicing?
How are all those thingshappening?
Is he living in the facility?
Is he watching a ton of film?
Because all that stuff.
People inside the org right nowtoday know if anthony richard
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is that guy or not.
Period, or they think he'sgonna be that guy.
There's somebody walking aroundover there like this ain't the
answer, because of the producton the field and I see how the
guy is moving on and off thecourt and what he's saying he's
not the guy.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And listen.
You talk about the low accuracyin college and all that.
Listen, I think when everybodydrafts that type of player,
you're hoping for a Josh Allen.
Remember when Josh Allen wasdrafted, you and I both killed
him.
We're like.
This guy completed 45% of hispasses at fucking Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, it was like 55% .
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, it was terrible .
It was terrible.
He played, you know, lowdivision one or whatever it was,
and we're like I can't believethey make this pick.
But to your point, josh Allenlived in the facility.
They surrounded him with a goodsupporting cast.
I think you brought in digs inyear two or three, so you gave
him a top notch wide receiverand you gave him everything to
give him success.
And this is now where we're atwith him.
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I think when you go toRichardson or even Trey Lance,
who look, trey Lance had hisproblems.
I don't think he was everreally given a chance, but
obviously with the emergence ofBrock Purdy, you couldn't go
backwards.
But yeah, if you draft thesetype of guys, you got to
understand.
I love the 20-hour road tripanalogy.
You got to strap in for thefull 20 hours.
You can't be in there halfwayand be like, no, let's take a
plane.
It doesn't work that way.
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You have to commit to developingthese guys and even with the
Bryce Young thing, it's like,hey, carolina finally goes back
to him last week.
It's like, yeah, you got thatone win off Dalton, but by like
the fourth loss.
Why are we not going back toBryce Young at this point?
Are we just going to abandonthe Bryce Young situation?
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So yeah, I think so much of itcomes down and we we understand
it, based off the team that weroot for and have watched our
whole lives.
If you don't develop aquarterback correctly, if you
don't put him them with thetools and things that they need
to succeed, this is what itlooks like.
You also need to know when it'stime to give up on a guy, like
we see with the Giants andDaniel Jones.
They've done everythingpossible to try to make it work.
It's just not gonna work.
That's fine, right, but youhave to try to develop these
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guys.
You have to understand if youthought that Anthony Richardson
was going to be that guy in yeartwo, you weren't watching the
film or the guy that you draftedyeah, no doubt about it, and me
and Nick, the quick I'm goingto skip over the NBA.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Let's shoot, shoot an NBA-specific pod like tomorrow
or the next day, and get thatout and talk all NBA.
There's a lot to unpack.
Going back to the starting fiveon Netflix, we got a lot to
talk about for the NBA.
I've been digging in a bunchfor work as well, so we'll have
a fun conversation there.
We'll try to catch up with theguys our loyal listeners and
watchers, that always hit me onthe DMs and were asking me why
(43:51):
we missed last week.
My bad, we got you, we back andwe'll do a little NBA, but I
got to get out of here in thenext 15.
So let's talk about I wanted toask you this Because I'm in New
York.
People walking around youshould have seen this city
yesterday, bro.
Every other person I saw waswearing Yankee stuff jacket, hat
(44:12):
, t-shirt, jersey, world SeriesMaybe they ran into a buzzsaw in
the Dodgers and they've beensuper top-heavy the Yankees'
offense all year.
They got hot against the guardsand Soto, giancarlo or Judge
each hit two home runs in thegame.
There was two total home runsin each game that they needed to
(44:33):
win against the Guardians.
They got hot there.
They're now playing the Dodgersand they can't get it together.
But I want to talk about AaronJudge, because I'm having a
really hard time articulatingand kind of without calling
Aaron Judge a guy that getssmall in the biggest moments.
I don't know how else toexplain this, but talk to me
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about how you feel because, nick, this is now multiple years.
Aaron Judge is going to win theMVP.
He'll have multiple now and hehas had historic regular seasons
63 homers.
He had 144 RBIs this year.
The the numbers absolutelyridiculous.
Batting in the 330s walksthrough the roof, ops anything
(45:22):
you want expected, expected onbase, expected.
Everything is through the roof.
Weighted runs, created.
All the numbers talk and puthim in an unbelievable light,
but when we start talking aboutthis playoff shit, it's
completely different.
Man, aaron Judge has come upwith at least one runner on base
(45:47):
in the first 10 innings of theYankees' 12 postseason games.
He's 0 for 10, seven strikeouts.
He is batting.
He is batting in the ones formultiple postseasons.
Now, every time they haveneeded him in the postseason, he
has shrunk.
He hasn't shown up.
How do you?
(46:08):
How do you break it down?
What do you say?
How do you talk about it whenAaron Judge's name comes up?
What do you say?
How do you talk about it whenAaron Judge's name comes up?
What do you say now?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
yeah.
So listen, man.
I mean, you hit it right on thehead.
He's in the ones.
Aaron Judge is a career 196hitter in the postseason.
This is a guy who, over the lastthree seasons, has 157 home
runs for the Yankees, and that'swhile missing 50 games last
year absolutely one of thebiggest stars of baseball,
certainly offensively.
I think you frame it how it'ssupposed to be framed, man.
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I think baseball is unique inthis in which you can really get
exposed for being a bad playoffplayer, because you're either
getting hits or you're not.
And he is clearly not gettinghits.
They're down three games tonone.
They're probably going to losethis World Series, definitely
going to lose this World Series.
Yeah, they ran into a buzzsawwith the Dodgers, but you have
to properly frame him as aplayoff flop If you're going to
(47:00):
be that guy.
This is a franchise who's had MrOctober.
This is a franchise who's hadDerek Jeter.
This is a franchise who's hadMariano Rivera.
If you want to be a Yankeegreat, you have to deliver in
the postseason.
The Yankees don't play forpennants, they play for World
Series titles.
Like, let's be honest here, ifyou want to be a Yankee great
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this was the problem with A-Rodfor all those years A-Rod would
deliver in regular seasons whenit came up to the playoffs.
He never quite got him thereoutside of that one year that
they won the World Series, andthat's why A-Rod will never be
looked at the same way thatJeter did, because Jeter
absolutely delivered when itcounted.
Those guys were clutch guys.
Aaron Judge isn't.
They absolutely need him rightnow and he is not delivering.
(47:43):
So while, yeah, he's a greatregular season player, he's one
of the best players in baseball.
One of the best players we'veever seen, especially over the
last three or four years.
Of the best players we've everseen, especially over the last
three or four years.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
You gotta properly frame it, man, when it counts.
That's the thing like showingup for them well.
So like can you say that?
Can you?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I think you can't, you can't discount, you can't
discount his regular seasons andwhat he's done to get them
there.
I mean, there was a point thisyear where the yankees were dead
in the water to start theseason.
Right, then they start theseason.
Pretty, was this year or lastyear they started the season
really bad.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
They've had lulls in both.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
They've had some 24 and aaron judge is carried,
especially when a guy likestanton hasn't been amazing in
the regular season, even thoughhe's delivered in the postseason
um, yeah, nick, the last twopostseasons, 2022 and 2024 aaron
judge combined is 11 for 79yeah, he's not, he's, he's.
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He's not a clutch performer,he's not a prime time performer
so is that?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
is it as simple as that?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
yeah, until he is he isn't until he is he isn't until
he is again.
Remember a rod.
All those years that a rod wasfantastic for the yankees it
didn't mean shit because he'dcome up short or the team would
come up short in the postseason,and it didn't change until he
won that World Series.
You gotta, yeah, yeah, yougotta show me something, man.
(49:01):
Absolutely.
He's James Harden.
We will look back on JamesHarden and say he was one of the
greatest players of this era,just like we will with Aaron
Judge.
But it doesn't mean anything ifyou can't deliver towards the
ring especially, wait,especially for this franchise.
This is not a normal franchise.
This is the New York Yankeesthat we're talking about.
This isn't the Mariners.
This isn't the Expos Angels.
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This isn't the Angels ofAnaheim.
This is the Yankees.
If you want to be the man inthe Yankees, if you want to be
the man in the Yankees, if youwant to be the man in the Bronx,
if you want to be again a MrOctober right, a Mariano Rivera
you name it Aaron Boone againstthe Boston Red Sox in that game
seven, whoever it is, if youwant to go down as a Yankees
(49:48):
legend and be considered one ofthe greats overall all time yes,
you do.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Well, it's interesting.
So do we need to start puttingguys in right like he's a great
regular season guy?
He's a great regular season guy?
Yeah, because, like, I'm notsure you can be great and in all
and in all timer if you don'tshow up in the postseason.
Like a lot of people aretalking Mike Trout best baseball
(50:17):
player ever, and I'm like he'snever even been to the playoffs,
bro.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Has he never been to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I don't think Mike Trout's ever played a playoff
game in his career One day.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I don't, you know, we're not the biggest baseball
guys, but one day I need anexplanation of how the Angels
had Trout and Otani on the sameroster and couldn't make the
playoffs.
It just doesn't make any senseto me.
Has Trout?
They've been to the playoffs,just not a lot, not recently.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, he's played three games.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
And that's it.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
And it was in 2014.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
So Mike Trout's.
Only played three playoff games, so they got swept Three
playoff games in 2014,.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
yeah, so it's like when Mike Trout is talked about.
Is it a failure?
It is a failure on theorganization.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
But this is not.
That's the organization.
Because he hasn't been there.
He hasn't been there.
Aaron Judge is in the playoffsall the time.
Sure, sure, he's always.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, it's a much better team, but this is why
it's a big conversation of likeMike's got to get out of there,
force your way.
But then there's also theconversation where Mike is a
low-key guy and he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Nah, that's too low-key.
Go to the fucking playoff.
You've been to one time in theplayoffs for 11 years.
Here's the thing about TroutMost people don't even know what
he looks like.
Let's be completely honest.
He is one of the best baseballplayers we've ever seen.
He could walk down most streetsand no one would recognize him.
So I mean that matters.
But to the thing with Trout,it's different.
(51:40):
Mike Trout's team didn't gopick up Juan Soto on a one-year
rental.
Like this is the type of shitthat the Yankees do.
It's a team situation wherethey are constantly adding you
got Soto, you got Stanton, yougot Judge, you got pitchers
galore.
Like the Yankees are trying tofield a competitive baseball
team.
I don't know if we can alwayssay that about the Angels Again.
(52:02):
So he's there every year, RatedJuan Soto for a year.
Hopefully they can resign him.
Maybe they can't, but that'sthe type of shit the Yankees are
doing.
So it's a different.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
I think it's a different set of circumstances
for judge than it is for trout,for sure, but that's all.
I think part of that.
If you want to be put in thatthe greatest of all time
conversation, you need to makesure you're in a position to get
to the playoffs.
You can't just wither away forthe angels like all this is part
of the conversation.
I think that's why when youlike, I don't have a problem.
(52:37):
When guys are like yo, get meout of here, yeah well, he needs
to get out of there.
Like get me out of here.
Bro.
Y'all aren't serious about thisfranchise, clearly isn't
serious about winning.
Get me out of here.
I'm too good to be playing forthis franchise in front of no
people every single nightbecause you guys don't care
about winning.
But it's a really interestingconversation and thought process
(52:59):
about man.
When it's Wednesday in KansasCity, aaron Judge is a beast,
but when it's October 23rdagainst the Dodgers, he's a
nobody, he's a zero.
How do you quantify that?
It's really, really interesting.
It's been something I've beengoing back and forth.
(53:21):
I'm going to leave you guyswith one more.
Shout out my guy Mikey.
I was talking to him about thisearlier today.
Listen to this the Yankees havelost their last nine postseason
games against nine AL Centralopponents 2020 ALDS they lost in
five to Tampa Bay.
2021 AL Wild Card they lost toBoston.
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Alcs versus Houston they gotswept.
2024 versus the World Seriesand the Dodgers they're down 0-3
.
They're 10-4 versus the ALCentral.
Versus the World Series and theDodgers they're down 0-3.
They're 10-4 versus the ALCentral.
So, and throughout the years,the AL Central has been a weaker
division Up and coming.
The guards are solid, theRoyals are coming, we know where
the White Sox are, but theshape it's starting to get
(54:12):
shaped like the Yankees arebeating up on the weak ass AL
central, but they can't competewith the guys in their own
division when it comes to theplayoffs and they can't.
They can't compete with Houstonand they can't compete with the
other, the other big squads.
Really interesting narrativearound the the Yankees and that
Aaron judge topic We'll we'llhave to revisit and talk about
what are the?
Speaker 1 (54:30):
what are the vibes like in the?
What are the vibes like in thecity?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
everybody's pissed off I haven't been outside yet.
I'm about to go outside and I'mgonna chat with some people.
I always, you know, I alwaystalk to random people and just
like little shit, like manyankee struggling, huh.
Like if I see a dude with likea hat on on the train, like man,
they look terrible last night,and then you'll get the vibe
pretty, pretty quickly on whereare at.
Or like Daniel Jones man istripping, and people will talk
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to you for 10 minutes Like, yeah, dog, this dude's a bozo.
Like yeah, he's whack, heshouldn't be on the team, he's a
thief.
Like you know the whole thing.
Or if the vibes are decent,they'll be like, well, you know,
like the New York fans are justlike Chicago fans are similar
to other big market fans, butlike they're in two, like you
can't pull wool over their eyes.
It's very difficult to do that.
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(55:38):
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Leave it there.
Any last thoughts.
Nick, that's all I got.
Man eberflues.
Fire the man, get serious firethe man.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Sign some offensive linemen.
Hey, and also we have notwavered on Caleb Williams.
We have one, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
We have one, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Rest easy, chicago, we have one, there's no doubt
you.
No ketchup, no ketchup.
What's good, my people.
Welcome to no Catch-Up SportsTalk via Chicago.
I am your host, sean Little BigNick McQuick with me.
As always, we got a lot to talkabout.
We missed last week.
We're both working but we'reback in the saddle.
Nba is off and running Openingweek.
What do we think?
So far the Bucs have lookedpitiful.
The Denver Nuggets have lookedpitiful.
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Needed overtime in Toronto toget that W A lot of NBA stuff to
talk about.
Boston Looks like Boston NFLrecap.
What are we at?
Nick Week nine, coming in Week10?
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We're right around there.
We're rolling.
We got to recap the ChicagoBears and the Hail Mary and just
talk about where we're at.
(01:06):
Matt Eberfluss, the colors areshowing.
We told you they would the team.
I almost did the whole podright there.
I got to chill.
We're going to talk about theBears catching an L and then
look around the league a littlebit.
Also, I want to talk about theYankees are down 3-0 in the
World Series and I want to talkabout Aaron Judge and his
struggles at the plate.
(01:27):
How do we rate guys like this?
We got to talk about thatsituation.
Shout out Freddie Freeman.
He's doing his thing and I'mgoing to tell you a little bit
about my weekend over in Europe.
To catch a couple footballmatches no catch-ups, sports
Talk V-Chicago.
Let's get to it.
Big Nick, the Quick.
What's happening?
How are we feeling?
Man, we're here, I'm happy tobe back bro.
We only missed a week.
(01:48):
Feels like we missed a month.
Yeah, it was a busy week.
So much stuff has happened.
I apologize to all the loyallisteners and watchers out there
.
I'm trying to do it all rightnow.
I'm trying to do it all bymyself.
Nick's trying to do the same,and we had to miss a week.
(02:10):
But we're going to.
We're going to try not to letthat happen.
Let's get right into it.
I won't waste too much time, but, nick, I went over to hey from
New York.
If you're in on the East coastand you're listening to this,
you can do the Europe weekender.
It's possible.
I just did it.
It is very doable.
You're going to be behind onsleep for maybe one day, but I
got a good, solid 10 hours ofsleep last night.
I watched this morning you knowme on the East Coast get up,
(02:33):
get the coffee, watch whatever Imissed last night.
So I was up at like 6 am thismorning watching hoops.
It's doable.
I left on the red-eye on Fridayafter I worked the Knicks game
home opener.
They got the dub.
I left on the red eye last houron Friday after I worked the
next game home opener.
They got the dub beat up on thePacers.
Took the red eye to Spain.
Landed in Madrid at 10 AM.
Was that the foot?
Was that lunch by 1 PM, had adrink by 3 PM, was at the match
(02:57):
by 8 PM.
Went to London, caught anothermatch Arsenal-Liverpool both
really fun games and I leftMonday morning and was back in
New York by 1230.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's doable.
It's doable.
You brought a lot of luck outthere for your teams too.
Brought a lot of luck to RealMadrid.
Brought a lot of luck toArsenal, man, so maybe you
should go to more matches.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, 4-0 Barcelona.
Yamin Lamal is a 17-year-oldphenom that knows he's a phenom
was chirping the Madrid fans.
It was actually a really,really interesting game.
Part of me thinks that matchcost Vinicius Jr the bolandor
last night who went to Rodri,but that's a whole other
conversation.
(03:41):
I think part of that.
I believe the voting was stillopen as late as Saturday, so
that was really interesting, butbecause he was a huge favorite
going into the ceremony and yeah.
So I don't want to get too offtopic and start talking ball.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Shout out Vinny Jr.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Shout out Vinny Jr, man Vinicius, he had an awesome
year.
He probably should have won theaward.
We get to London.
I'm sitting on the end Soccerscores the opening goal 1-0.
It was absolutely electric.
I actually got to get somesocial up.
I'm going to try to chop upsome posts and do like a little
vlog so y'all can peep the funweekend.
(04:19):
But I'll get to that.
But let's get to the matter athand.
Let's talk big nick the quickabout the chicago bears, then
we'll do a little nfl roundupman going it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I tried.
I'll let you go.
I'll let you go.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No okay, yeah, this is.
This is where I was at with itfirst of all.
I was watching it from londonlive at a pub and I got my tweet
off.
After the hell, m Mary and Iimmediately went back to the
hotel and went to sleep.
That was it.
I got my tweet off.
I literally was watching up thestreet.
I walked a block, I saw ithappen, I tweeted and I walked
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out the door and I went to sleep.
I was sleeping.
In 15 minutes it was done.
I don't need to say anymore doanything else.
I don't need to watch.
Any was done.
I don't need to say anymore.
Do anything else.
I don't need to watch any morehighlights.
I don't need to hear anybreakdown.
I don't need to hear any ofthat.
But it was a classic, nick, youbeat up on a couple bad teams,
but you do thump them and youare playing better.
And you go into the bye weekand everyone is blowing smoke
(05:21):
positive smoke up your ass fortwo weeks.
Everyone is blowing smokepositive smoke up your ass for
two weeks.
You guys are playing so muchbetter.
You guys are so good.
Shane Waldron is calling betterplays.
Matt Eberflus has the defenseplaying so well.
Caleb Williams is one of thoseguys, and he is one of those
guys.
We'll get to that in a second.
(05:42):
But you're going to come outflat and that exactly how they.
They came out so fucking flat.
It was unbelievable.
They were not interested inthat game whatsoever.
It was clear.
They took the two weeks tochill and and had a blast and
they are a good football teamnow and that is a void of
(06:03):
coaching, that is a void of bigtime leadership, because,
overall, who are the older guyson the squad?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I guess keenan allen and, but like there's a lot of
different things that can happen, the leadership on the team is
the dj moore, the jaylon johnson, the cole commit type guys.
You don't really have it, Imean probably like a tremaine
edwards and guys like that.
Yeah, and he hasn't beenplaying correct, so or?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
wasn't playing or nick the leaders.
The head coach of the footballteam oh yeah, how about that?
you can start there you canstart there right.
We're looking for leadershipfrom the guy that's had his
sixth start in the nfl and he's22 years old.
But how about the head coach isthe leader and make sure shit's
getting done.
And I'm going to give you themic here in a second Big Nick to
(06:49):
quick.
But Jalen Johnson on record,comes out and says you know, the
Tyreek Stevenson shit wasunacceptable.
He talked.
Cole Komet made a comment thatplayers were lax in practice,
weren't finishing reps, shit wasreal, real laxadaisical during
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the bye week and during practice.
And those are the things thatneed to be cleaned up.
Jalen Johnson then confirmed,said you know, cole Komet never
lied and that's actually true.
And they came in a littlelaxadaisical and weren't focused
throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And specifically referenced details.
If you listen to JalenJohnson's interview specifically
referenced, we're not asdetailed as we should be, which
a thousand percent falls oncoaching he mentioned
detail-oriented.
We're not a detail-orientedgroup.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
When things happen incorrectly, we're not focused
on getting them fixed.
They're kind of passed over.
They're not fixed, talked about, corrected, so they won't
happen again.
It's the attention to detailthat's the problem with Matt
Eberflus and the Chicago Bears.
(08:04):
That's the problem with MattEberflus and the Chicago Bears.
Last thing, nick, before I giveit to you this is why it's so
important to dissect wins andintention to detail and things
that Eberflus and coaching cando better in wins and not only
losses, because if that balldoes get knocked down and the
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Bears win, we absolutely stole.
The game played like garbage forthree quarters and the play
before still happened.
Tyreek Stevenson is stillchirping in the corner.
All that stuff doesn't getamplified unless the Bears lose
and the hell mary happens.
That's why sometimes you doneed to be critical in w's.
(08:50):
That's why sometimes me andnick don't get overhyped and and
get too out over our skis whenwe're talking about the bears
and where we need to be big nickto quick take it away before I
just do the solo pod and startrunning off.
But yeah, where are you at withIbraflux?
The game overall, the approach,how they came in and then where
(09:12):
we're at right now.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Offensively, absolutely came out like you hit
it right on the head.
They came out completely flaton offense.
No imagination, no creativity,no building on what you had had
in the previous two games.
Looked like the Bears offensedid the first couple weeks of
the season where it was just ahope and a prayer, and maybe
Caleb's going to do somethingfor us.
You can talk about handing theball.
(09:35):
We talk about this all the time.
We can go back to Nagy withthis goal line foolery that for
some reason, the Bears continueto participate in in.
Remember when we had thespecial teamer blocking at the
goal line in week two.
Remember when we had um, thezone read option on the goal
line in week three.
(09:56):
Well, now we fast forward toright now when, again, waldron's
been getting a lot of credit asan offensive coordinator and
calling better plays.
You get to the goal line andyou hand it off to a backup
center.
Look, I don't care how manytimes Orlovsky tries to break it
down and tell us it's a goodplay.
It is not a good play.
Line up and play football.
So that's number one.
(10:17):
Now we can talk about the HailMary situation, but let's talk
about, before that, mattEberflus.
We've been on him since day oneabout his game management and
his lack of football intellect.
I don't remember who caught thepass, but it was in the fourth
quarter.
Jalen daniels completed like a15 yard pass up the middle.
That 1000 landed on the groundas dude was catching it.
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Redskins hurried up and ran thenext play.
Bears did not challenge that.
How many times have we talkedabout Ibraflux throwing
challenges on plays that wereclearly catches?
That happened in front of them,but in this one you don't
challenge that.
No one's talking about thatbecause of the Hail Mary, but
that was a pivotal play in thisgame.
(11:00):
If you have that clip or if youremember who it was, let me
know.
Keep me honest here.
I don't remember, but I knowexactly what player you're
talking about.
You know play I'm talking about.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so youcan talk about that, which no
one's talking about.
Then we get to the hail marysituation.
Look, it's been broken down anddissected by everybody.
Um, you can watch the clips.
You can watch.
(11:21):
Get up.
You can watch first take.
You can watch live.
You can watch whatever you want.
There was a million differentthings that went wrong on that
play and 999,000 of them werecoaching related.
A thousand percent.
That falls on Eber Flus, thatfalls on the defensive
coordinator, that falls on notbeing prepared for that
situation.
There was only one outcome ithad to go to the end zone.
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Had to go to the end zone.
Why do you have a guy spying asif Jaden Daniels is going to
run it for 70 yards for atouchdown?
Why, on the play before, do youlet them pick up 15 by going
into soft coverage, knowing thaton that particular play there
was no way you were going to getin the end zone because he
would have had to heave it 85yards?
Then you give up the 15.
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You put them in position tocomplete the Hail Mary.
You have a guy who's off on thesidelines for an entire five
seconds taunting the crowd.
You have TJ Edwards playing spyas if it's Mike Vick, mad in
2004, back there and he mightbreak off for 85-yard run.
That Vikings playikers play wasin the fold you're not calling a
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timeout before, even though youhave three of them to get your
guys set up.
Once you see how the I'm sorry,how the commanders are gonna
line up, you don't do any ofthat.
You just let it happen.
You stand there and watch as abystander and then after the
game, you offer up nothing byway of explanation.
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Then the next day, your playersthrow you under the bus and
roll it over about five or sixtimes.
It's very clear what's going onhere.
I tried not to be mad about thisbecause ultimately, like I told
, everything for me this year isbased around Caleb Williams,
and in the fourth quarter, calebWilliams was absolutely
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outstanding.
Right, we talk about winningtime, we talk about making plays
.
He had two scoring drives.
One was taken away by some dumbshit, but he did have two
scoring drives.
Right, because they scored ascore to touchdown the one where
they pass it headed off to thebackup center, but they didn't.
They scored a touchdown on theone where they headed off to the
backup center, but they didn't.
Caleb gets the ball back andleads them on another
spectacular scoring drive whereall he does is make winning play
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after winning play, even thoughhe had had a subpar game up to
that point, but all of it iswashed away by bad coaching,
lack of discipline.
How many pre-snap penalties arewe going to get?
Seriously, how many pre-snappenalties can you have as a
football team?
That is lack of discipline.
That comes down to coaching.
So again, I tried not to be mad, but I think watching
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everything yesterday reallyreally made me upset.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Um, and it's inexcusable and no, it's clear,
it comes down to coaching andculture it's clear that ibra
flusa is just very blasé.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Very indifferent, oh yeah he's a player's coach.
These guys love me.
I'm a rah-rah guy, Well clearlyverbatim.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He came out and said the play before the Hail Mary
doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter, that didn'tmatter.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
He said that verbatim .
It doesn't matter.
He's talking about execution.
But all this shit staggers andstacks up on each other to the
Hail Mary.
If you maybe challenge thecatch over the middle, maybe
we're not in the situation.
If you stop and press thecorners and don't let them pick
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up 15, 16 yards so the Hail Maryis possible, then the Hail Mary
doesn't get caught.
Then there is not.
Even Tyreek Stevenson is not inthe corner.
It's very butter.
Life in general is just verybutterfly effect.
This decision you're makingright now is going to affect
something that's going on laterin the day or later in the week.
It all is tied together and itgoes back to the week prior.
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In practice he's very eithernot aware and doesn't know how
to run and he's over his head.
That's I think he's in over hishead.
The simplest way to put it ishe's in over his head.
That's the easiest way to putit.
Yeah, because when your playersare coming out and they're
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saying, yeah, the week goinginto practice, we weren't locked
in, people weren't finishingreps coming off of a bye coming
off of a bye.
The coaches aren't the.
The attention to detail wasn'tthere.
Do you do?
You look?
I don't let me get it.
I want to get the exact number,andy Reid, off of a bye week
(15:47):
record.
It's like ridiculous.
Let me see what comes up.
Yeah, he's 21 and fourfollowing a regular season bye
week.
Do you know how, do you?
That's not a accident, that'snot a fluke.
He's going into the bye weekand he's getting in the lab and
getting the team ready to go.
They are ready to go.
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That's in his career.
That's not just Patrick Mahomesthat's going back to
Philadelphia.
He has an extra week to prepareand he has guys ready to go.
The team comes out after thegame.
Cole Komet gets on a mic andsays guys weren't finishing reps
.
No one was locked in, theattention to detail wasn't there
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and it's purely clearly becausethe team was getting a ton of
love.
They relaxed.
Hey, I'll be honest as a sportsbetter as a guy, when I'm going
through things and I'm on firefor three straight weeks, that
fourth week I'm not probably inthe lab like I should be, and
that's what separates the realdudes from the next level guys.
(16:55):
If you can win the week and gointo the next week like you
don't deserve shit or not owedanything or you don't know we
have to win the next game, thoseare the guys that are different
.
Matt Eberflus and that staffclearly aren't running shit
correctly.
They're riding high and, oh,everything is good, blase, blase
(17:18):
.
Oh, that play doesn't matter,we'll just knock the pass down.
This guy is not a head coach,not a leader of a franchise
that's going to get us to thenext level.
And when I'm talking about theBears, I'm talking about big
picture things and winning gamesand, important, hosting playoff
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games.
That's what this shit is about,and Matt Eberflus is not going
to take us there.
It's clear.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
A thousand percent and that was the fear when they
started winning all these gamesthat it was going to hide all
this shit about Eberflus that wehave been seeing forever.
Again, that challenge to mespeaks volumes.
I know it's not being talkedabout, but if you look at some
of the shit that he haschallenged to not challenge that
in that situation, when you aresitting on three timeouts,
right, it speaks volumes.
(18:08):
The fact that cole came out andbasically said let's call it
what it is, I'm not surprisedthat happened.
You should see us during theweek, right?
That's the fact that jaylencame out and said yeah, I'm not
surprised.
Cole said that you should seeus during the week, right, these
are two of your highest profileplayers.
These are two guys who are oncontract number two.
(18:30):
These are two leaders of yourteam.
The fact that the whole gamegoes by it's National Tight Ends
Day you have tight ends allover the league making plays.
Shout out my boy, kyle Pittswith two touchdowns.
We still waiting on Kyle Pittswith two touchdowns.
We still waiting on Kyle Pitts.
It's okay, I never left.
And Cole Komet doesn't gettargeted all game.
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He had no targets.
He had no targets.
We've been talking about thisfor years.
Cole Komet is extremelyvaluable.
He should be a number one focuson your game plan offensively
for a rookie quarterback Period,point blank.
Why does he have a game planwhere he's not getting targeted
for the majority of the game,especially when you can't do
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shit in the passing offense?
Right?
This offensive line still hasproblems.
You haven't done anything tofix that.
Then your solution when you getdown into a goal line situation
where all you need to do isline them up and score, you put
in a backup center and hand theball off to him and we're
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supposed to be surprised when hefumbles it.
And then after the game again,you offer no explanation on
anything.
On anything.
Most coaches would be seething.
Could you imagine if thathappened to Bill Belichick?
Could you imagine the presseron that one?
I mean, come on, man, you sitthere.
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It didn't matter before that.
We essentially put them intoHail Mary range.
That is situational football.
You have to know the situationthat can happen at every spot on
the field.
If you give up 15 on that playbefore a play when they were not
in Hail Mary range, there's nota quarterback alive that can
make that throw.
You could bring Kyle Bowlerfrom one knee.
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He's not making that throw, butwe put him back up 15 yards and
guess what?
A lot of guys can make thatthrow.
So how can you come out thereand say it doesn't matter, it
doesn't matter?
Yeah, we know that because youcalled a defense where it
doesn't matter.
(20:35):
You went into a prevent defenseand gave them 15.
If I'm Kingsbury, I'm like, ohmy God, how much easier could
you make this for us?
Then you don't call a timeoutbefore the Hail Mary.
Once you get a look into whatthey're doing and to remind your
guys of what they should do,hey, bat this ball forward.
(20:55):
The worst thing you can do istip this ball and have it go
backwards.
Make sure that someone iscovering the end zone, because
they're going to put a guy backthere whose sole responsibility
is to watch the ball and figureout where it's going to go,
which is exactly what they did.
That's the only way you lose onthese plays.
There's only a couple ways youcan lose on these plays and
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you're supposed to be coveringthat, and that's why you call a
timeout.
Matt, you can't take them withyou.
If you keep three in thissecond half, it doesn't mean you
have six to start the firsthalf next week.
That's not how it goes.
Call the timeouts and use them.
Get in somebody's ass oh,that's not his style.
But it's not his style becauseyou want to be a rah-rah Listen,
(21:41):
you want to be a buddy-buddy,rah, rah guy.
That's what he is.
We saw it in hard knocks.
Hey guys, what's up?
Man Jimbo got a nickname foreverybody.
Come on, man, come on.
It was a winnable football gameand your quarterback did
everything, despite your bestefforts on the offensive line,
to sabotage him on Sunday In thefourth quarter.
It cannot go understated.
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Caleb Williams was magnificent.
He was magnificent in thefourth quarter.
It cannot go understated.
Caleb Williams was magnificent.
He was magnificent in thefourth quarter.
Both of those drives, he wasabsolutely magnificent.
We talk about winning football.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I have not wavered, honestly the fourth quarter made
me completely forget about theentire first quarter.
I almost don't care.
Without a doubt, he wasunbelievable, unbelievable
making plays.
I'm talking about making playssidearm sling.
I mean, he was unbelievableWith his legs.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I gotta pick up 10 here doing this.
I'm gonna do that.
I'm throwing sidearm, I'mgetting the ball to guys in
whatever way and if it's not,I'm tucking and running that
bitch.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, the progression .
On one of the drives when hehad two, he was looking left
with two feet planted lookingleft.
Goes to the.
The second read flips his hipsto get his left foot forward
because, as you're told, as aquarterback, proper mechanics if
you get like leg, front, frontleg and arm should be going
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towards your target right, likethat helps with accuracy.
He flips the hips, goes to theseam.
To Keenan Allen I believe hewas sensational in the fourth
Sensational Now Kevin Warren.
Yeah, now, kevin Warren.
I want to be clear, like RyanPauls and Kevin Warren, if I'm
hearing what the players aresaying about attention to detail
(23:27):
and shit throughout the weekand a bye week and coming in
flat, they basically said weknew we were going to come in
flat because we fucked aroundall week.
If I'm hearing that and I'mPoles and Kevin Warren, that is
very damning for Ibra Floues andthe rest of the coaching staff
and also Nick, I want to hearwhat you think about this.
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It's really interesting to methat the players were so
comfortable coming out andsaying that.
I have my thoughts on that too.
Yeah, like hey, yeah, man, wewere fucking around all weekend.
He didn't have us ready and theattention to detail is really
not there and they're justrelaxed.
Yeah, man, he didn't really.
We were fucking around all weekand he didn't have us ready and
the attention to detail isreally not there and they're
just.
They're just relaxed during theweek, saying this on
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microphones, on podcasts, onradio shows.
It's just another example ofthe culture and you don't have
shit under control.
Players, for certain coachesthroughout this league, would
never say that would never evenif, even if they thought it, if
they thought it and believed itand it was something that was
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being said throughout the teamin the locker room they would
never go out in public into themedia and relay it ever.
It just shows to me they don'tbelieve in him, they don't
respect him.
They he's just.
You know, he's not a head coachin the nfl, they just, like us,
they don't believe he's the guythat's going to take him to the
(24:54):
promised land.
Because if that really was thecase, they would never come out
and say that like.
I'll give you one more examplebefore I give it to you.
Dan campbell is a trigger man,goes for it.
Gut feeling.
If I feel like this could flipthe momentum in a game, um, I'll
do it.
Sometimes it doesn't work out,other times it does, but I can
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guarantee you, with that cultureright now and what they got
going on in detroit, campbellcould go for it on his own five
yard line on a fake punt, and ifthey asked the players what
they thought about it, theywould say, hey, campbell called
it.
We're going to try and go outthere and execute.
We didn't get it done.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Next, time we'll get it done.
We do it again in a heartbeat.
We trust our coach implicitly.
Exactly, we trust our coachimplicitly.
That is not what happened withthe Chicago Bears.
And look, I think part of it onfrom the players, and especially
on the defensive guys, is alittle bit of deflection, right,
because, again, at the end ofthe day, you were out there and
you guys could have made adifference.
But when you see people arepiling on the coach, hey, I'll
(25:56):
hop on that too, because wedon't got to talk about me, um,
so I think that that's part ofit.
But they're not wrong to yourpoint.
If you had a strong culturearound your head coach, if guys
believe that the head coach had,um, whatever the proper
philosophy I'm losing the wordright here whatever it is right,
if guys believed in their headcoach, I think your example, I
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think your campbell example, isprime, because there are times
when I'm watching the detroitlions, he'll go for it on fourth
and down.
I'm like man, that's a reallybad decision, right.
A really, really, really.
There's one of the Vikings gamewhere I'm just like man.
That's an awful decision, butno one's going to question it
because everything else he doesis correct and you know that
he's doing it from the rightplace and the guy has an idea of
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what he's doing.
And the guy has an idea of whathe's doing.
Guys know when their head coachhas absolutely no idea what's
going on, they know that he hasno idea what's going on.
That's why they have no problemthrowing him under the bus.
And I think it's very tellingthat not only was it just an
offensive guy that did it right,because Ibraflus is a defensive
head coach.
Those are his guys.
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It was a defensive guy and itwas one of your most prominent,
if not your best player ondefense that came out and said
that right, so that to me speaksvolumes.
Could you imagine Lance Briggscoming on a Monday and throwing
Lovie Smith under the bus?
Could you imagine Nathan Basher, or whoever, adewale Ogule
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coming out and throwing Ly underthe bus.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Shout out Adewale Ogule Alex.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Brown, whoever it would be, would never happen,
even if Lovey had made thedumbest decision ever.
So to have one of your guys ondefense which is where we know
you spend the majority of yourtime throughout the week come
out and say, yeah, cole ain'tnever told a lie.
Come on, man, and casually sayit too.
It's not even like he had tothink about it.
It's not even like he had tothink about it.
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And again, you waste thisperformance from Caleb.
You waste it right.
You completely flip thenarrative.
You lead every show on Mondaywith your buffoonery.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And that's why you just have to pay attention to
details and wins and losses.
And let's be clear, the defenseshowed up in this game,
absolutely they did.
They gave up 12 points.
So like I got to push back alittle bit on you saying like
the players or whatever theywere, they could have executed
on the Hail Mary, but theyfucking executed every other
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play throughout the entire gameand offensively we weren't ready
to go, but just the culture.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You could also say that about the defensive
coordinator.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
He executed on every other play of the game until it
mattered sure no, correct, butwe should be scoring more than
18 points anyway, yeah weabsolutely should.
Yeah, against a defense that'snot very good, by the way, we're
not even talking about that.
So, overall, it's just not theguy that can take us to the
promised land.
He has to pack up and go, andwe've been saying that, hey,
(28:55):
we've been saying this literallybefore Caleb was on our team.
Yeah, hey, we need to resetthis whole thing.
If you go, justin Fields, calebor whatever you do, he cannot
be a part of the equation ifwe're going to be a serious
football team.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And here we are, coming off of mistake after
mistake, pre-snap penalty afterpre-snap penalty and if this
goes the way where it'spotentially headed, here we we
are again where second-yearquarterback with a new head
coach right and a new system anda new, everything and a new
system and all that and zerocontinuity.
And I'll tell you what right now, listen.
(29:32):
If you're Ryan Poles, hey,listen.
I put it in the group chat theother day Sign linemen, draft
linemen, trade for linemen,overpay for linemen I don't give
a damn.
It cannot look like this againnext year.
I have yet to meet thequarterback that can throw the
ball from his back.
The pocket is consistentlycollapsing around him.
(29:53):
You are plugging and playingguys left and right.
Um, you gotta figure somethingout.
And I don't blame the kid thatthey had out there, uh, was a
young left tackle after braxtonJones went down the rookie.
Yeah, I mean, listen, man, whatare you gonna do?
What are you gonna do the guys?
Guys, like a rookie fifth roundpick.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's gonna happen going down all the time.
Yeah, it needs to get deeper.
Yeah, it needs to get better.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It needs to get deeper.
It needs to get better.
Don't tell me you can't findthese guys.
Find them, they're there.
I love wide receivers, I loverunning backs, I love tight ends
.
All that's great.
None of that.
Shit matters if Caleb isrunning for his life and that's
how it's been all year.
Again, a couple weeks ofwinning is like lipstick on a
pig.
It's still a fucking pig.
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You still can't block for thisman, ibrahim Flus is still your
head coach.
These, this man, ibrahim Falouz, is still your head coach.
These are facts.
You have to change them.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
If you're Ryan Pulse, and maybe it's a blessing in
disguise last year, maybe theLions win the Super Bowl this
year, bears go and get BenJohnson and it's a happy ending.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
But we shall find out .
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Does Panay Sewell come with him?
Hopefully?
Maybe make it a packed deal.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Call up call up, call up.
San Fran has to pay theirquarterback next year.
Call them up, see if Trentwants to come over.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Trent's old, though I don't give a Trent's that guy
though.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Trent will run circles around anybody we have
on our line right now.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Coach, number one tone setter, get all that other
shit sorted.
And then yes, nick isabsolutely right, whatever is
necessary, go get some offensivelinemen that could do what is
needed to be done.
Yes, all right, we could.
We could talk.
I literally could talk an hourand a half on the bears, but we
got to move.
Let's talk rest about the nfl.
Big nick said right before wehopped on let's talk about the
(31:41):
jets.
I don't really want to talkabout the Jets, the Cowboys, why
, that's your team.
These are the things I don'twant to talk about.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
That's your guy.
You went to MetLife, man.
That's your guy.
Tell me about the Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I don't want to talk about the Jets.
I don't want to talk about theCowboys.
I don't want to talk about theBengals.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
No, I don't want to talk about none of them.
The Bengals lost, that's right.
They got killed.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
They got smoked, yeah Shout out Jameis Winston.
Overall.
Shout out Jameis Winston.
He did his thing.
Can't talk about the Ravens,though.
That's a bad loss for a team.
That's a really bad loss.
That's also I.
I don't know what to expectfrom you.
This is the.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Their defense is really bad this year.
Their defense I mean you talkabout.
I understand they lost Queen.
They lost their coordinator.
That defense is bad this year.
It's nothing like the defensethey had last year.
Lamar has nobody that can catcha pass for him, Like we've been
talking about Lamar.
It's the defense more, but yes,yeah, but there were some
massive drops in that game,massive drops in that game.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, Kyle Hamilton had one.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, they dropped one on defense.
They dropped a couple on offenseand they only lost by one
touchdown.
But that defense has been sus.
Go back to that Bengals game.
If Lamar doesn't go absolutelyballistic, you lose that.
But they gave up 38 in thatgame.
They're very, very suspect andthey lose on a week where the
Steelers come out and win andyou put Mike Tomlin firmly in
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first place and then do a byeweek.
You want to talk about anotherguy who's not going to fuck
around with a bye.
It's going to be Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, there's just certain guys that are super
serious and don.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But in the NFL, when you talk about football in
general just like when you avoidteams on a week-to-week that
you don't know what to expect itgets really tough when you're
talking about betting and buyinglow and buying high on markets.
But right now there are justnot very many teams in the
league that you can count on andyou know what to expect on a
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week-to-week basis.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Chiefs' line is probably the safest bet every
week.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I was just going to say, outside of Kansas City, who
gets it done and makes ithappen, no matter the
circumstance.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Let's do a quick hit.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, look.
Well, actually that's actuallya good question, because I was
actually watching the tape alittle bit and I was going
through it.
There's a lot of bad stuff onthere.
There's some decent things too,but as football fans and as a
fan base and I'll speak for theColts fan base and front offices
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and everything we we draft aguy we know is completely wrong.
By the way, if you watchedAnthony Richardson at Florida,
he stunk.
It was terrible.
He was a 50% pass completer.
So he got to the league andwhat do you know?
He's completing the ball at 45,50%.
(34:54):
I think it's 44%.
Yes, like the completion belowexpectation is at the bottom of
the league.
He can't do anythingaccuracy-wise.
His mechanics aren't there,he's all over the place.
He's sloppy, but he was likethis at Florida and we knew what
were all the talks about.
Anthony Richardson coming in.
What a specimen.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Big arm.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, great athlete, this guy physically is special,
but he's very raw and he's goingto need a lot of work.
Same thing with Trey Lance.
This guy physically has it all.
He's going to need a lot ofwork, but then we get into.
By the way, anthony Richardsonhas played 13 games, 14 games
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maybe, I don't know the exactnumber.
But then we don't allow guys toput in the work and look really
bad for a long stretch of time.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't even think he's played that many.
I think he got hurt after likethe second or third game last
year.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
It's been hurt this year, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So we need to stop doing that.
Yes, he sucks right now helooks really bad, but we knew
that coming in he was going toneed a lot of work and a lot of
time.
So don't be baffled andconfused when Anthony Richardson
a 55, 50.
Baffled and confused whenAnthony Richardson, a 55, 50%
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pass completion guy at Florida,comes to the Colts and plays the
Titans defense and looks bad.
But, what do you think aboutpulling yourself out of a game,
texas?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
defense.
We could talk about that.
Yeah, the Texas yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So let me button up the previous point.
Let's give some of these dudeslegitimate amount of time.
Like a different example isBryce Young.
Coming in, was a Heisman winner, was polished, had a lot of big
wins.
We thought he would come in alot more polished and a lot
better.
People were verbatim out loudsaying Anthony Richardson is raw
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, he's not going to be very good, he needs time.
His mechanics are all over theplace and then when he comes in
and shows that, people areshocked and flabbergasted and
destroying him.
It's like we knew that already.
So give the guys proper time.
When you come in and know thatit's going to take a long time.
So that's where I'm at withAnthony Richardson Now.
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Anthony Richardson tapping thehead and being asked out of the
game and then that answerafterwards Is unacceptable and
this is where someone needs totalk to him.
Or he needs to be smarter or heneeds Nick him saying hey, I'm
(37:40):
not even going to lie to you, Iwas tired.
That's why I did it in thepostgame press conference.
Shows you he doesn't realizehow big of a stage and situation
that he is dealing with.
It's clear.
Oh yeah, he thinks he's stillplaying Vanderbilt.
(38:00):
This is the NFL, bro, you haveto flat out.
You have to blatantly lie andsay I tweaked something, I
wasn't feeling right, I had toget over to the side to stretch
out a crit, make something up.
You cannot say you're tired andI had to come out of the game.
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That cannot come out of yourmouth, can't come out of your
mouth.
I have actually a big problemperiod with guys calling out of
games.
I think guys call out of gamesway too much Skill.
Guys call out of games.
I think guys call out of gamesway too much skill.
Guys call out of games all thetime.
Yo, nick, in the nfl you make a12 yard catch, you're
immediately calling for out ofthe game receivers coming out.
Yeah, I need a blow right nowyeah that didn't used to be the
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culture.
You fucking man.
You picked up 15, got up andwent, went right back to being
the Z or the X and you ran.
I don't like I'm trying tothink how many times I saw like
TO or Randy Moss or Chris Cartercall out Calvin.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Randy would call out the game, but he's staying in
the game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, Randy would call out of entire weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm going to jog this ball's entire weeks.
Yeah, I'm just going to jog.
This ball's not coming to me,so I'm going to jog.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Randy would call out of entire weeks.
I get it.
That's a bad example.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Alright, we're good, I'm good.
Yeah, randy wasn't.
Randy wasn't on it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But there's a lot of guys in the league right now
make a big play, immediatelycall out for the game.
I don't really love that.
But, anthony, if you are goingto, first of all don't fucking
tap your helmet so the entireuniverse can see.
How about you grab somethingand then like, jog off, walk off
and say, yo, I my, you know.
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Yeah, I tweaked something in myleg.
I wasn't really feeling great,but after I got up to the side I
had to get back on the fieldfor my guys, which I'm sure
happens a lot.
Yes, Damn near could haveflipped it into a positive, like
you know.
Hey, I'm just battling, I'mjust getting back.
It's my first week back.
I'm battling through things andI was just trying to.
Yeah, don't say I was tired inthe fourth quarter and you're
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losing games, games.
So, yes, those are my two takeson Anthony Richardson, but I
knew this was going to be.
I knew this, nick, I knew let'shey, nick, let's take a road
trip to Los Angeles.
It's going to take 20 hours.
And then hour nine.
You're like, actually I can't,why did I?
It's like you knew this wasgoing to take 20 hours.
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You knew what we were signingup for.
Why are you complaining aboutthis road trip in hour nine?
And you knew it was going to be20.
That's exactly where we're atwith Anthony Richardson.
All right, I got to get in.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, what are we doing?
We knew what we were talkingabout.
Let's get to hour 20 and thendecide what we want to do.
Like that's where I'm at onAnthony Richardson, and I'm not
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close or I don't think you'reclose at all either to the Colts
org.
I would love to see what'sactually going on in the back,
because how is he practicing?
How are all those thingshappening?
Is he living in the facility?
Is he watching a ton of film?
Because all that stuff.
People inside the org right nowtoday know if anthony richard
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is that guy or not.
Period, or they think he'sgonna be that guy.
There's somebody walking aroundover there like this ain't the
answer, because of the producton the field and I see how the
guy is moving on and off thecourt and what he's saying he's
not the guy.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And listen.
You talk about the low accuracyin college and all that.
Listen, I think when everybodydrafts that type of player,
you're hoping for a Josh Allen.
Remember when Josh Allen wasdrafted, you and I both killed
him.
We're like.
This guy completed 45% of hispasses at fucking Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, it was like 55% .
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, it was terrible .
It was terrible.
He played, you know, lowdivision one or whatever it was,
and we're like I can't believethey make this pick.
But to your point, josh Allenlived in the facility.
They surrounded him with a goodsupporting cast.
I think you brought in digs inyear two or three, so you gave
him a top notch wide receiverand you gave him everything to
give him success.
And this is now where we're atwith him.
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I think when you go toRichardson or even Trey Lance,
who look, trey Lance had hisproblems.
I don't think he was everreally given a chance, but
obviously with the emergence ofBrock Purdy, you couldn't go
backwards.
But yeah, if you draft thesetype of guys, you got to
understand.
I love the 20-hour road tripanalogy.
You got to strap in for thefull 20 hours.
You can't be in there halfwayand be like, no, let's take a
plane.
It doesn't work that way.
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You have to commit to developingthese guys and even with the
Bryce Young thing, it's like,hey, carolina finally goes back
to him last week.
It's like, yeah, you got thatone win off Dalton, but by like
the fourth loss.
Why are we not going back toBryce Young at this point?
Are we just going to abandonthe Bryce Young situation?
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So yeah, I think so much of itcomes down and we we understand
it, based off the team that weroot for and have watched our
whole lives.
If you don't develop aquarterback correctly, if you
don't put him them with thetools and things that they need
to succeed, this is what itlooks like.
You also need to know when it'stime to give up on a guy, like
we see with the Giants andDaniel Jones.
They've done everythingpossible to try to make it work.
It's just not gonna work.
That's fine, right, but youhave to try to develop these
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guys.
You have to understand if youthought that Anthony Richardson
was going to be that guy in yeartwo, you weren't watching the
film or the guy that you draftedyeah, no doubt about it, and me
and Nick, the quick I'm goingto skip over the NBA.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Let's shoot, shoot an NBA-specific pod like tomorrow
or the next day, and get thatout and talk all NBA.
There's a lot to unpack.
Going back to the starting fiveon Netflix, we got a lot to
talk about for the NBA.
I've been digging in a bunchfor work as well, so we'll have
a fun conversation there.
We'll try to catch up with theguys our loyal listeners and
watchers, that always hit me onthe DMs and were asking me why
(43:51):
we missed last week.
My bad, we got you, we back andwe'll do a little NBA, but I
got to get out of here in thenext 15.
So let's talk about I wanted toask you this Because I'm in New
York.
People walking around youshould have seen this city
yesterday, bro.
Every other person I saw waswearing Yankee stuff jacket, hat
(44:12):
, t-shirt, jersey, world SeriesMaybe they ran into a buzzsaw in
the Dodgers and they've beensuper top-heavy the Yankees'
offense all year.
They got hot against the guardsand Soto, giancarlo or Judge
each hit two home runs in thegame.
There was two total home runsin each game that they needed to
(44:33):
win against the Guardians.
They got hot there.
They're now playing the Dodgersand they can't get it together.
But I want to talk about AaronJudge, because I'm having a
really hard time articulatingand kind of without calling
Aaron Judge a guy that getssmall in the biggest moments.
I don't know how else toexplain this, but talk to me
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about how you feel because, nick, this is now multiple years.
Aaron Judge is going to win theMVP.
He'll have multiple now and hehas had historic regular seasons
63 homers.
He had 144 RBIs this year.
The the numbers absolutelyridiculous.
Batting in the 330s walksthrough the roof, ops anything
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you want expected, expected onbase, expected.
Everything is through the roof.
Weighted runs, created.
All the numbers talk and puthim in an unbelievable light,
but when we start talking aboutthis playoff shit, it's
completely different.
Man, aaron Judge has come upwith at least one runner on base
(45:47):
in the first 10 innings of theYankees' 12 postseason games.
He's 0 for 10, seven strikeouts.
He is batting.
He is batting in the ones formultiple postseasons.
Now, every time they haveneeded him in the postseason, he
has shrunk.
He hasn't shown up.
How do you?
(46:08):
How do you break it down?
What do you say?
How do you talk about it whenAaron Judge's name comes up?
What do you say?
How do you talk about it whenAaron Judge's name comes up?
What do you say now?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
yeah.
So listen, man.
I mean, you hit it right on thehead.
He's in the ones.
Aaron Judge is a career 196hitter in the postseason.
This is a guy who, over the lastthree seasons, has 157 home
runs for the Yankees, and that'swhile missing 50 games last
year absolutely one of thebiggest stars of baseball,
certainly offensively.
I think you frame it how it'ssupposed to be framed, man.
(46:36):
I think baseball is unique inthis in which you can really get
exposed for being a bad playoffplayer, because you're either
getting hits or you're not.
And he is clearly not gettinghits.
They're down three games tonone.
They're probably going to losethis World Series, definitely
going to lose this World Series.
Yeah, they ran into a buzzsawwith the Dodgers, but you have
to properly frame him as aplayoff flop If you're going to
(47:00):
be that guy.
This is a franchise who's had MrOctober.
This is a franchise who's hadDerek Jeter.
This is a franchise who's hadMariano Rivera.
If you want to be a Yankeegreat, you have to deliver in
the postseason.
The Yankees don't play forpennants, they play for World
Series titles.
Like, let's be honest here, ifyou want to be a Yankee great
(47:21):
this was the problem with A-Rodfor all those years A-Rod would
deliver in regular seasons whenit came up to the playoffs.
He never quite got him thereoutside of that one year that
they won the World Series, andthat's why A-Rod will never be
looked at the same way thatJeter did, because Jeter
absolutely delivered when itcounted.
Those guys were clutch guys.
Aaron Judge isn't.
They absolutely need him rightnow and he is not delivering.
(47:43):
So while, yeah, he's a greatregular season player, he's one
of the best players in baseball.
One of the best players we'veever seen, especially over the
last three or four years.
Of the best players we've everseen, especially over the last
three or four years.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
You gotta properly frame it, man, when it counts.
That's the thing like showingup for them well.
So like can you say that?
Can you?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I think you can't, you can't discount, you can't
discount his regular seasons andwhat he's done to get them
there.
I mean, there was a point thisyear where the yankees were dead
in the water to start theseason.
Right, then they start theseason.
Pretty, was this year or lastyear they started the season
really bad.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
They've had lulls in both.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
They've had some 24 and aaron judge is carried,
especially when a guy likestanton hasn't been amazing in
the regular season, even thoughhe's delivered in the postseason
um, yeah, nick, the last twopostseasons, 2022 and 2024 aaron
judge combined is 11 for 79yeah, he's not, he's, he's.
(48:35):
He's not a clutch performer,he's not a prime time performer
so is that?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
is it as simple as that?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
yeah, until he is he isn't until he is he isn't until
he is again.
Remember a rod.
All those years that a rod wasfantastic for the yankees it
didn't mean shit because he'dcome up short or the team would
come up short in the postseason,and it didn't change until he
won that World Series.
You gotta, yeah, yeah, yougotta show me something, man.
(49:01):
Absolutely.
He's James Harden.
We will look back on JamesHarden and say he was one of the
greatest players of this era,just like we will with Aaron
Judge.
But it doesn't mean anything ifyou can't deliver towards the
ring especially, wait,especially for this franchise.
This is not a normal franchise.
This is the New York Yankeesthat we're talking about.
This isn't the Mariners.
This isn't the Expos Angels.
(49:25):
This isn't the Angels ofAnaheim.
This is the Yankees.
If you want to be the man inthe Yankees, if you want to be
the man in the Yankees, if youwant to be the man in the Bronx,
if you want to be again a MrOctober right, a Mariano Rivera
you name it Aaron Boone againstthe Boston Red Sox in that game
seven, whoever it is, if youwant to go down as a Yankees
(49:48):
legend and be considered one ofthe greats overall all time yes,
you do.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Well, it's interesting.
So do we need to start puttingguys in right like he's a great
regular season guy?
He's a great regular season guy?
Yeah, because, like, I'm notsure you can be great and in all
and in all timer if you don'tshow up in the postseason.
Like a lot of people aretalking Mike Trout best baseball
(50:17):
player ever, and I'm like he'snever even been to the playoffs,
bro.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Has he never been to the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I don't think Mike Trout's ever played a playoff
game in his career One day.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I don't, you know, we're not the biggest baseball
guys, but one day I need anexplanation of how the Angels
had Trout and Otani on the sameroster and couldn't make the
playoffs.
It just doesn't make any senseto me.
Has Trout?
They've been to the playoffs,just not a lot, not recently.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, he's played three games.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
And that's it.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
And it was in 2014.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
So Mike Trout's.
Only played three playoff games, so they got swept Three
playoff games in 2014,.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
yeah, so it's like when Mike Trout is talked about.
Is it a failure?
It is a failure on theorganization.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
But this is not.
That's the organization.
Because he hasn't been there.
He hasn't been there.
Aaron Judge is in the playoffsall the time.
Sure, sure, he's always.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, it's a much better team, but this is why
it's a big conversation of likeMike's got to get out of there,
force your way.
But then there's also theconversation where Mike is a
low-key guy and he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Nah, that's too low-key.
Go to the fucking playoff.
You've been to one time in theplayoffs for 11 years.
Here's the thing about TroutMost people don't even know what
he looks like.
Let's be completely honest.
He is one of the best baseballplayers we've ever seen.
He could walk down most streetsand no one would recognize him.
So I mean that matters.
But to the thing with Trout,it's different.
(51:40):
Mike Trout's team didn't gopick up Juan Soto on a one-year
rental.
Like this is the type of shitthat the Yankees do.
It's a team situation wherethey are constantly adding you
got Soto, you got Stanton, yougot Judge, you got pitchers
galore.
Like the Yankees are trying tofield a competitive baseball
team.
I don't know if we can alwayssay that about the Angels Again.
(52:02):
So he's there every year, RatedJuan Soto for a year.
Hopefully they can resign him.
Maybe they can't, but that'sthe type of shit the Yankees are
doing.
So it's a different.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
I think it's a different set of circumstances
for judge than it is for trout,for sure, but that's all.
I think part of that.
If you want to be put in thatthe greatest of all time
conversation, you need to makesure you're in a position to get
to the playoffs.
You can't just wither away forthe angels like all this is part
of the conversation.
I think that's why when youlike, I don't have a problem.
(52:37):
When guys are like yo, get meout of here, yeah well, he needs
to get out of there.
Like get me out of here.
Bro.
Y'all aren't serious about thisfranchise, clearly isn't
serious about winning.
Get me out of here.
I'm too good to be playing forthis franchise in front of no
people every single nightbecause you guys don't care
about winning.
But it's a really interestingconversation and thought process
(52:59):
about man.
When it's Wednesday in KansasCity, aaron Judge is a beast,
but when it's October 23rdagainst the Dodgers, he's a
nobody, he's a zero.
How do you quantify that?
It's really, really interesting.
It's been something I've beengoing back and forth.
(53:21):
I'm going to leave you guyswith one more.
Shout out my guy Mikey.
I was talking to him about thisearlier today.
Listen to this the Yankees havelost their last nine postseason
games against nine AL Centralopponents 2020 ALDS they lost in
five to Tampa Bay.
2021 AL Wild Card they lost toBoston.
(53:43):
Alcs versus Houston they gotswept.
2024 versus the World Seriesand the Dodgers they're down 0-3
.
They're 10-4 versus the ALCentral.
Versus the World Series and theDodgers they're down 0-3.
They're 10-4 versus the ALCentral.
So, and throughout the years,the AL Central has been a weaker
division Up and coming.
The guards are solid, theRoyals are coming, we know where
the White Sox are, but theshape it's starting to get
(54:12):
shaped like the Yankees arebeating up on the weak ass AL
central, but they can't competewith the guys in their own
division when it comes to theplayoffs and they can't.
They can't compete with Houstonand they can't compete with the
other, the other big squads.
Really interesting narrativearound the the Yankees and that
Aaron judge topic We'll we'llhave to revisit and talk about
what are the?
Speaker 1 (54:30):
what are the vibes like in the?
What are the vibes like in thecity?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
everybody's pissed off I haven't been outside yet.
I'm about to go outside and I'mgonna chat with some people.
I always, you know, I alwaystalk to random people and just
like little shit, like manyankee struggling, huh.
Like if I see a dude with likea hat on on the train, like man,
they look terrible last night,and then you'll get the vibe
pretty, pretty quickly on whereare at.
Or like Daniel Jones man istripping, and people will talk
(54:55):
to you for 10 minutes Like, yeah, dog, this dude's a bozo.
Like yeah, he's whack, heshouldn't be on the team, he's a
thief.
Like you know the whole thing.
Or if the vibes are decent,they'll be like, well, you know,
like the New York fans are justlike Chicago fans are similar
to other big market fans, butlike they're in two, like you
can't pull wool over their eyes.
It's very difficult to do that.
(55:18):
All right, we're going to leaveit there.
No catch-up sports talk viaChicago.
I'm your host, sean, little BigNick to quit with me.
As always, make sure yousubscribe everywhere.
Tell a homie to tell a friend.
Super busy over here.
Very fortunate to be busy.
I'm gonna try to get this upasap on me and nick are gonna
try to get you that nba pod aswell, asap, because we gotta
talk about that.
We got a lot, a lot of nba.
(55:38):
We're big nba guys, so we can'tleave that.
Lat.
Leave it there.
Any last thoughts.
Nick, that's all I got.
Man eberflues.
Fire the man, get serious firethe man.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Sign some offensive linemen.
Hey, and also we have notwavered on Caleb Williams.
We have one, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
We have one, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Rest easy, chicago, we have one, there's no doubt
you.
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