October 15, 2024 • 58 mins
CORNBALL OF THE WEEK IS BACK!!! In this episode of No Ketchup, hosts Sean Little and Big Nick the Quick discuss the latest happenings in the NFL, including the Chicago Bears' resurgence led by Caleb Williams, the struggles of the Dallas Cowboys and their head coach Mike McCarthy, and the controversial actions of Eagles' coach Nick Sirianni. They also explore the potential for a non-quarterback MVP this season and the Cleveland Browns' dilemma with Deshaun Watson's contract and performance.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
No, ketchup no ketchup.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's good, my people.
Welcome to no Catch-Up SportsTalk.
V-chicago.
I am your host, sean Little BigNick the Quick with me, as
always.
That boy Caleb Williams, he'son the ascent.
The city is on the ascent we'regoing to talk about the Mavs,
went out to London throughoutthe fit and put up four
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touchdowns, was an inch awayfrom having a five-touchdown
passing game over the Pond.
But before we get into that,cornball of the Week is back.
Big Nick the Quick gotsomething he got to get off his
chest.
We're also going to go aroundthe shield in the NFL.
If Big Nick the Quick was JerryJones, what does he do?
(01:07):
He builds Jerry World, and nowall his team does at Jerry World
is get blown out andembarrassed.
It's been three straight gamesat home for Dallas.
They've been absolutelymurdered, and it was no
different Sunday against theLions 49-6.
Nine they got smoked.
Nine 47-9.
Nine they got smoked Nine 47-9.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Nine Didn't matter 47-9.
Didn't matter after the firstfive minutes.
Put it that way.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're going to talk about that.
Also, if Big Nick the Quick wasJimmy Haslam and he owned the
Cleveland Browns, what would hedo with Deshaun Watson?
Tons to talk about Tons tobreak down.
We Tons to talk about Tons tobreak down.
We're going to have fun withthis one.
No catch-up Sports Talk, vietChicago.
Stay locked.
Big Nick the Quick, what'shappening?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
How we feeling Great.
I saw you were out in thecapital this weekend.
Took a little venture out tothe nation's capital, the
district, the district.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We was out in the district this weekend Shout out,
my cousin Brody, cousin bradyman and steph, they uh hosted us
at their crib.
Uh, he and my one of my closestcousins just had a son.
His name is carter.
So I went to go meet him, visithim.
We had a good time.
Man just kicked it, walkedaround dc saturday, hung out and
then sunday, just kicked it,watched some ball, ordered some
wings, grilled.
It was, uh, it was perfect.
(02:19):
We just chilled, perfect.
So, yeah, it was perfect, itwas perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
But perfect, I actually had.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But I actually had.
Yeah, perfect, I had a ton ofpeople in my inbox, not that
recently, but when we stoppeddoing it, people used to hit me
all the time.
When are y'all going to bringCornball of the Week back?
Well, it's back.
We're going to put it inrotation with A-Man and the rest
of the new segments.
Here on the relaunch of nocatch up, big Nick to quick has
(02:46):
a corn ball of the week and alot of people agree with you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
What are we going to?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
say we don't need to say anymore.
Nick Sirianni, head coach ofthe Philadelphia Eagles Listen,
man, I think we can go back towhen Sirianni was hired, gave a
gave a bit of a wild pressconference.
Some questions came up.
You know, is this the guy thatwe want?
What's the deal with this guy?
He seems a little bit extra.
You know, I like out-the-boxhires, right.
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So I was kind of like look man,first press conference was
rough.
You know who else had a firstpress conference?
That was rough?
Dan Campbell.
And that's worked out well.
Fast forward to four years later.
Look, serie A did a great thingtaking this team to the Super
Bowl.
It was a great moment for them.
They obviously lost.
Then we fast forward to lastyear.
Team starts off 7-1, rightAfter that team completely
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implodes, gets smacked by theTampa Bay Buccaneers in the
playoffs.
Whole offseason full ofquestions Is Jalen Hurts really
that guy?
What's going on withPhiladelphiailadelphia?
The story comes out in thebeginning of the year saying him
and him and uh, hurts don'treally have the greatest
relationship, right?
They asked hurts about it thisweek he said, yeah, we talk,
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which tells you everything thatyou need to know about that
relationship.
But that's not what's importanthere.
What's important is whathappened yesterday.
Yesterday at home home.
The Philadelphia Eagles areplaying the Cleveland Browns,
who they end up beating.
I think the score was what?
20-17?
.
A close game against theCleveland Browns who we'll get
into later when we talk aboutthe whole Jimmy Haslam situation
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are easily one of the worstteams in the league top two
worst teams in the league, rightbehind the Carolina Panthers.
Nearing the final minutes ofthat victory.
Sirianni, who I guess had beenhearing it from the fans
throughout the entire game Ithink at one point they were
chanting fire, Nick, fire Nick.
All types of stuff, whatever.
He's gotten a lot of heat Turnsfrom the sideline, runs up to
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where the fans are and startsscreaming at the fans in
Philadelphia in the link, youknow, saying whatever.
You couldn't quite see what hewas saying, but he was clearly
talking shit to his own fans,which I've watched a lot of
sports in my life.
I can't tell you that I haveever seen that before.
Right, like it's one thing ifthey were in Cleveland or
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something like that, and he'syelling at those fans, at your
home fans, during a win.
I have never seen a head coachturn and do that Then then this
is the kicker.
This is the part that really gotme In the post-Cain presser.
After barely beating theCleveland Browns, he brings his
kid with him to the pressconference, which I can tell you
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for sure, outside of a SuperBowl victory I have never seen a
head coach across any sport,any sport, and you already know
how I feel about kids at thepodium.
Your boy out in Boston does itall the time.
I feel like it's verydeflectionary.
The kid always seems to make anappearance when the going gets
tough.
Sirianni, after a regular seasonbarely scraped by a win against
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the lowly cleveland browns,brings his kid out to the press
conference right after he justtalked shit to the fans,
proceeds to then tell everybodyat the press conference that his
players told him he wanted, heneeded more passion and that's
why he ended up running up andtalking shit to the fans right,
also said hey, look, our fanshelped us out, they got us some
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offside penalties.
But you know I also don't likeit when they're going against us
.
This is the city ofPhiladelphia.
We don't need to talk about thehistory of the fans in
Philadelphia, but I don't knowif I can think of in more recent
, active, more recent memory,more cornball activity than
turning around yelling at yourfans in the stadium during a win
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against a bad team, a gameyou're barely winning, then
bringing your kid up to thepress conference, saying it was
your players who told you to dosomething like that and then
doubling down on it and sayingthat it was the right thing to
do.
Nick sirianni is a certifiedcornball.
He is not mature enough I don'tknow if that's the right word
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Not mature enough to be a headcoach in the NFL.
I don't know how you cancontrol a locker room full of
people when you are doing thingslike that, especially when
there's already questions aboutyou.
So to me, it was pure cornballactivity.
The Philadelphia Eagles shouldbe embarrassed.
He should be embarrassed.
He should be embarrassed and,for being honest, there's no
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reason he should coach this teamif they have another bad loss.
That gives me everything I needto know.
That tells me everything I needto know.
I would move on from that guyright now.
All serious aside, all jokesaside, it was embarrassing.
Never seen anything like it.
Absolute cornball of the week.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Never seen anything like it for those, absolute
cornball of the week.
For those who don't know, bignick the quick is a big.
You represent the franchisewhen you're the quarterback and
the coach.
You cannot embarrass the peoplethat are running and own the
team.
You know who pays all thesalaries, the people sitting in
the seats, the people buying allthe merchandise.
Nick sirianni is the prime, anumber one fbi most wanted for.
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When he stops winning evenremotely close to competing,
he's out the door.
He has no leeway zero now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
What can I add on that?
Real quick, actually, to evenjust add to that point, remember
Nick Sirianni.
You went to the Super Bowl, youlost your OC and your DC and
you've essentially been adumpster fire ever since then.
So let's not, let's not, let'snot forget about that when we
love to talk about.
Our favorite subject is headcoaches.
And what exactly do they coach?
You are, you are pure.
(08:24):
What exactly do you coach guys?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
so already on thin ice in my book, forgive me and
then we talk about setting thetone and being a culture setter,
and that's not the culture orthe tone you want set.
It's clear.
The quarterback, who you havepaid, who is a bona fide, proven
leader in the nfl it's talkedabout throughout the league by
other players.
He carries himself as theleader Clearly doesn't like if
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you want to put it in layman'sterms, he doesn't respect how
Sirianni moves on a day-to-day.
That's it, period.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I don't like how he's living.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
He don't like how he lives his life, how?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
he moves.
I don't like how he lives.
I don't like how he moves.
He don't like how he lives hislife how he moves.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I don't like how he moves.
Now, when you represent theteam, the coach and the
quarterback and one guy and theother are kind of head up on how
you should go about things.
That's bad news bears.
Now we know everything isalways going to be covered up
when you're winning, but theyhaven't been.
They finally get all their guysback AJ Brown's back, devontae
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Smith is back.
They don't bury the ClevelandBrowns whatsoever.
They actually scrape out a win.
It wasn't as close as it lookedbecause Cleveland blocked a
field goal.
Miles Garrett blocked the fieldgoal.
They pick it up, scoop and takeit down and score a TD.
That was the only offensivetouchdown they scored, but still
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it was a one-possession game.
They had to get a stop from.
Cleveland Could have won thatgame coming down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You should be walloping that team.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You should be walking the stadium and kissing the
fans' hands saying thank you forthe support, not the exact
opposite.
So yeah, man, I mean that was abad look, a cornball move, and
it aligned with how he's beenacting now for quite a while.
(10:17):
He's won a lot of games, but heseems to be he doesn't have the
belief of guys that he needs tohave the belief of, and that's
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If you're Jalen Hurts , think about where you came
from, right.
I played at the University ofAlabama under Nick Saban.
There was no cornball activitythere at all.
I'm not used to my head coachacting like this, and this isn't
the first time that Siriannihas came off like a complete
cornball right or like anasshole, for lack of a better
term right.
This is not the first time thathe's come off immature,
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childish, but to me that'segregious.
That is absolutely egregious.
Again, I've never seen in anysituation we know fans can be
unruly, right.
We talked about it last week.
You and I have had some greatheckle sessions on people, right
, and there's plenty of timesthat players have engaged in
that.
I've never seen a coach turnand run towards the fans after a
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game that you were supposed towin, like you just did something
and then bringing the kid upoff a buy against again a team
that is a literal dumpster fire.
One of the worst situations inprofessional sports, when you
put it all together, Acting likeyou just won the Super Bowl,
bringing the kid to the podiumand then doubling down on it.
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It was pure corn.
I don't know what's cornierrunning towards the fans or
bringing the kid to the podiumfor the post-game press
conference.
It was egregious.
It was extreme cornballactivity and I will never be
able to unsee it.
I don't care what Nick Siriannidoes.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Stay tuned on Nick Sirianni and the Philadelphia
Eagles.
Let's see if they can continueto compete, because in a
division where the Cowboys arenot competitive, the Commanders
have now shown up and they'rethe favorite to win the division
by a little bit.
If they lose the division, tothe commanders I would say
that's the grounds for fire and,purely on the field, production
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.
So stay tuned there.
Terrible division, but let's goto a more positive conversation
.
In the Chicago Bears and CalebWilliams I don't know how many
times Big Nick the Quick hassaid this over the last 24 hours
, but I'm sure it's in thedouble digits We've got one, we
have one.
Yes, chicago Bears fans, wehave a quarterback.
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Speaking of a team in the Eaglesthat didn't beat a team that
they're supposed to beat veryhandily in the Cleveland Browns,
you can talk about the scheduleall you want with the Chicago
Bears.
They are thumping these badteams.
They went to London and thumpedJacksonville.
Jacksonville was D-O-A.
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This wasn't.
We were getting by and we weremaking a play here or there.
The offense looked fluid.
They had no answers for what wewere doing offensively and
defense.
We absolutely put them in aphone booth and that was without
Jaquan Brisker or TyreekStephens.
So what I'm getting at isthere's a difference than
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talking about the schedule whenyour team ekes by.
They are smashing those squads.
Get out the way.
Y'all are not on our level.
That's what the Chicago Bearshave done.
Big Nick to quick.
Let's talk about Caleb Williamsbecause, any way you shred it,
you can pull up the analytics.
You can pull up the old man onthe couch on the south side.
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He looked sensational.
You want to talk about EPA,expected points added.
He was the number onequarterback in the NFL.
We talk about air yards,accuracy, all the analytics and
you talk about just the eye test.
That's it.
This guy had command ofeverything going on, on every
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play, every possession, everydrive.
He made one mistake the entireday.
I have yet to watch the film.
I'm excited to go back and lookat all throws, but I know what
I'm going to see, because CalebWilliams was sensational, had
four touchdown passes easilycould have had five.
Tell me about what you saw, howyou feel and where we're going.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, easily could have had six, because why don't
you tell me about what you said,about that bad throw which I
thought was spot on on the money, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So when we talk about quarterback play in the NFL,
there's a lot of differentelements to it and when I'm
looking at I just lovequarterback play.
I was.
I was a mediocre quarterbackcoming up.
I had aspirations to playcollege ball.
Never really got there, butwatching quarterback play is
some of my favorite thing to do.
And this guy, caleb williams,without going and looking at end
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zone and all 22 sideline had itgoing.
And when you're going throughquarterback tape and trying to
see how a specific individualquarterback played, there's a
difference between bad decision,bad throw and good decision,
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bad throw.
In other words, when aquarterback is playing bad a la
Deshaun Watson, he's not seeingthings and he's making a bad
throw.
So the decision was poor andthe throw was poor.
You have to check off two boxes.
You have to make the rightdecision.
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You have to see what you'reseeing.
Make the right decision, thenmake the throw.
The only thing Caleb missed thisweek was he made all right
decisions and made one bad throw.
He's seeing everythingextremely clearly at the moment
for the Chicago Bears and hemade a right decision, just bad
throw.
There's a big difference.
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Keep that in mind when you'rewatching quarterbacks.
Was that a bad decision and abad throw.
Or was that just a bad throw?
The decision was there on thepick to go up the sideline and
it was almost like he got toocute and was too comfortable.
He was so relaxed he was like,oh, I'm just going to put this
up.
I don't even got to zip this inbecause, like he wide open,
this is a six.
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So that was the only mistake hemade all day.
But, nick man, I don't.
The best throw of the day, andit's not even close is to Keenan
Allen on a back shoulder.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
If I tweeted it, did you break that down?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
today on get up, yeah , yeah.
I tweeted and I, yeah, and Itweeted the still frame.
I don't know if we've ever hada quarterback hit the top of his
drop and throw that ball.
Keenan Allen, the ball cominghis way is a rumor.
He has no idea that the ball iseven thinking about coming his
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way until it's on his ass.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And it's there.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He turns around and adjusts.
By the way, keenan Allen isstill one of the best in the
league at adjusting and puttinghands up and getting them where
they need to be and making cleanhands-first catches.
All that Excellent route runner, yeah, but the ball placement
on the fade unbelievable.
The ball, the, the, thedecision and the ball placement
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on the back shoulder to KeelanAllen on that touchdown was
insane.
He looked extremely comfortable.
I know it was against a reallybad Jacksonville Jaguars team,
but but Caleb Williams, theprocessor we talk about the
processor all the time.
Brock Purdy, elite processor,not a real big-time arm.
Tua, elite processor, not abig-time arm and can't work off
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script.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Fast processor Gets from one to three quickly.
About Tua, I'm not going tocall he's.
Yeah, tua has an elite.
Yeah, yeah, tua has an eliteprocessor.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Okay, we talked about this before too.
You're right, he can't play offschedule.
Tua has an elite processor, butonce he has processed, he can't
play off schedule.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
There's nothing there .
Speaker 2 (18:15):
There's nothing seems to be growing.
An elite processor has elitearm strength and decision-making
and when things go off schedulehe's elite at making more time
and creating, as we saw with thedump off to Cole Komet when
he's going right and comes backto Cole Komet.
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So if you start to seeeliteness like Lamar Jackson,
pat Mahomes, when you startprocessing can put the ball
where necessary and when thingsbreak down you can create more
time and either throw the balldownfield or use your legs to
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pick up 10, 12, 15 chunk yards.
So it's different right now forCaleb Williams.
He is clearly elevating andlooks very calm in doing so,
Almost exactly once I'd gottenover the Justin Fields thing.
What I hoped for and it is verymuch coming to fruition here
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early in the year.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
So a couple things.
Number one I think you and Iboth we talk about this all the
time, right?
I also love quarterback playand I think that that's why you
and I have such a hard timewatching college football,
because the quarterback play isjust so atrocious and it's hard
to watch the game when thequarterback play isn't there.
To your point on thatinterception as far as good
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throw or bad throw, bad decisionor good decision, bad throw,
couldn't be more correct, rightagain, I think he will learn
from that and if anything thathe's shown us in these six games
is that he has learned fromsome of those things, some of
those mistakes we talk about,you were talking about a lot in
the first three, four weeksrunning backwards right, look at
this game in london, thoseplays where he was running
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backwards before.
He has now decided oh, I couldrun forwards a little bit, I can
pick up some yards with my leg.
If it's a broken play, I don'tneed to try to scramble 15 yards
behind the line of scrimmageand make some crazy throw.
I can just try to run, pick up6, 7, 8, maybe 12, 15 yards and
live for another down.
So I would have to imagine thathe's going to look at that
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throw and understand hey, in theNFL you just can't put it up
there like that.
Right, if I put that up therethe right way, that's six easy,
right, easy to DJ more.
He's going to catch the ahundred percent of the time.
You just can't throw it up inthere because NFL defensive
backs are going to feast on it.
You talk about that throw tokeenan allen, which was
absolutely beautiful throwingwith anticipation.
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Right, that's a high levelthrow.
We talk about ball placement allthe time.
Why do I love burrow?
Right, it's the elite ballplacement.
It's the fact that yourreceivers don't have to make
adjustments.
It's the fact that, like yousaid, you turn around the balls
exactly where it's supposed tobe.
We love spectacular one-handedobj catches and things like that
, but you can't live off that,right, you live off.
Put the ball where it'ssupposed to be.
We love spectacular one-handedobj catches and things like that
, but you can't live off that,right, you live off.
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Put the ball where it'ssupposed to be, when it's
supposed to be there.
And caleb has gotten over thelast three weeks, elite at that,
right.
You look at the touchdown to djmore last week you look at the
um again, the touchdown throw tokeenan allen.
This week we talk about thatback shoulder touchdown to
keenan allen, that play.
There's only one way you canmake that play right and a lot
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of quarterbacks can do it, but alot of quarterbacks can't.
And the fact that he did thatwith ease, put it exactly where
it needs to be, didn't make amistake, didn't overthrow it
right, was in perfect harmonywith his receiver on that play.
Um, that to me is absoluteprogress and it's showing the
traits of an elite quarterback.
And they're winning footballgames, I don't care who it's
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against.
Back-to-back weeks of fivetouchdowns we watch every single
game with chicago bears overour entire lives.
We have never seen that.
So c Caleb to me, man, like Idon't.
I never felt it with Justin.
I wanted it to be this way.
I never felt it with Mitch.
I wanted it to be that way,like we would trick ourselves
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into certain things like, oh,that looks really good, but then
when you'd watch the routineand it's just not there.
With Caleb it's there.
People can talk about the deepball accuracy.
That's the hardest thing to doin the NFL.
I'm not worried about that.
It's coming.
He'll figure that out.
If you mean to tell me CalebWilliams can't throw 40-yard
bombs, that's fine for right now.
Again, you don't live off that.
There's only so manyquarterbacks who can do that and
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they are at the absolute upperechelon of quarterbacking.
But when we talk about theintermediate throws, that's what
he's doing.
It's not seven, eight yarddinks.
These are still going 15, 16,17, 18 yards downfield.
I texted you this yesterdayinside the 30 right and that
four down territory right beforethe red zone.
He's elite.
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When he gets down there he isthrowing touchdown passes.
You're not going for three.
In those situations he isthrowing touchdown passes, and I
also.
I also have to give credit toshane waldron.
Last couple weeks the offensiveplay calling has been on point.
I don't know what he told todeandre swift.
I don't know what he told tosome of these receivers.
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I don't know what he did tokind of fix that connection
between dj moore and calebwilliams, but it's all there.
So, yeah, man, we got aquarterback.
I told, I said it last week,I'm doubling down on it again
this week.
I have seen what I need to see.
He displays elite traits andagain, with a guy like fields
fields is an elite athlete likejustin fields you could put him
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in any sport on the planet andhe's to do really well and
probably go pro in it.
But there are definitely somethings even right now, as I
still watch the PittsburghSteelers that from a quarterback
perspective, he's definitelylacking in.
I don't see that with Caleb man.
I just see a rookie that'sgetting better and better and
better and better and actuallygives a shit.
And we talk about how he moves.
You talk about how he showed up.
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That was a rookie showing up inthe London game like that.
It's different, and I saw itfrom when he first got here.
Man, the guy just moves with alevel of confidence that, yeah,
I'm just not used to seeing.
So, yeah, I'm all in.
Man, I've never felt this way.
I've said it a thousand timesthat we got a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Another big thing here on the throw we're talking
about to Keenan Allen.
This is why it's important tosurround guys with talent.
If you're going to bring in asuperstar, talented young
Heisman trophy winningquarterback, how about this
Chase Claypool not making thatcatch?
We're not even having thisconversation because we're
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talking about he doesn't haveguys that can go out there and
make plays for him.
Keenan allen made that play.
It's a.
It's a, it's a, it's a team.
It's a quarterback to widereceiver connection, simple as
that.
Where chase claypool doesn'tmake that back shoulder catch
from justin fields.
And so then it's a differentconversation.
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And when we talk about shanewaldron, it's a different dude
last.
And when we talk about ShaneWaldron, it's a different dude
last couple of weeks.
Simple as that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That fake reverse.
You said it's the best playyou've ever seen on offense from
the Bears, and I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
The fake, double, double fake screen to the tight
end scene and Justin had a guycoming.
That was also another eliteplay.
Justin had a guy coming freeand didn't pay him any mind
because he knew.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Caleb.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Who did I just say.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Justin.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, caleb didn't pay the free runner any mind
because he knew he was justgoing to look him off and then
throw behind him to a wide open.
Cole Komet, it's just adifferent level of play call and
, I'm serious, that's the bestoffensive run play I've ever
seen for the Chicago Bears For atouchdown Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And he's using.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Cole Komet finally, which I was the first.
This guy's a great pass,catching tight end.
He scores touchdowns.
He's a really good player.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Use him.
Just don't ask him to bang withall pro DNs and he'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
That's it.
You got Gerald Everett andthose boys for that.
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Right.
And then we talk about DeAndreSwift.
A lot of people owe this man anapology.
No, I tweeted this in week two.
Why is Shane Waldron runningDeAndre Swift in between the
tackles as if he's Earl Campbell?
That's not his game.
Get him on a zone stretch, readGet him out in space and he
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will make plays.
He didn't forget about how tomake moves in the open field.
Deandre Swift every stop he'sbeen at.
When you get him the ball inspace, he makes plays.
That's what he's been doing,man.
We could talk about the Bearsfor four hours.
That's how excited I am.
I mean, does it get better thanthis right now?
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Going into a bye?
I'm almost mad we're going intoa bye because it's going to be
too much positive smoke going upthese boys' ass the next couple
weeks.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm just upset because all I want to do is
watch the Bears, and I can'ttell you the last time I said
that I legitimately woke upexcited yesterday to watch the
game, knowing that there wasnothing else on TV too.
I just got straight Bears games, phones not going off with
notifications on all the othergames.
Coffee, I don't got themulti-screen going on.
There's no Premier Leaguedisappointment for me going on.
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It was just beautiful.
Yeah, it was.
It was just there, just theBears on a Sunday and Caleb
Williams just handling businessdown to the tea celebration.
These boys are having a goodtime.
I'm telling you, man, it'sdifferent, like it is different,
and I don't care if it's sixgames, I don't care if it's
early, I see it.
You and I saw it, just like wesaw it last year with Colt.
(27:50):
How many games of Coleridge didwe need?
And it was just like we're onthe phone like hey, man.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's different, that's different.
Yeah, we're good here right,just like I can tell you when a
guy's a bum, we can tell youwhen a guy is different, that
guy's different and I don'tthink we've missed yet when we
put that label on somebody.
Go back to the tape of when wesaid different.
We probably haven't missed yetAt some point we said Mahomes
was different, different, didn'ttake long Different, yeah,
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colbert, different, it's clear,it's different.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
The proof is in the pudding.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No doubt the proof's in the pudding.
It's just different.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, this is not the week to have a conversation
about Ibrahim Floos and thelong-term big-picture stuff.
He's going to keep his job, butwe'll get there.
We'll get there.
It's a good sign that we're allgoing to have a conversation
about man.
We're playing such goodfootball that we could
potentially really start pushingfor the playoffs and what are?
Do we have a guy that couldtake us to the promised land for
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real?
So we'll shelf that.
We'll leave that there.
We'll come back to MattEberflus.
But Caleb Williams, Chicagobears offense is a real problem
at the moment and I'm lookingforward to seeing what they do
because, coming out of the bye,with two weeks to prepare for
Washington, we should put up 30points Easy.
That Washington defense isawful, so I'm excited to see
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what they come out and do withthe game and the DMV in a couple
weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
All right Anything on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, I'll say this he is, he's been mediocre for a
while.
I don't know why anyone isafraid to admit that or doesn't
want to.
I don't really understand it.
Actually, the whole TrevorLawrence and Brock Purdy
conversation is it's not evenclose.
It's so interesting to mebecause people Colin Cowherd had
(29:38):
a list and came out and saidlast week that he would take
Trevor Lawrence before Brock 40.
And it's.
We're watching two differentsports, we're watching two
different games and it's purelybecause he's putting more stock
in.
Trevor Lawrence was the numberone pick.
That's the only explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
There's no other explanation.
I really I really don't get it.
Trevor Lawrence cannot tieBrock.
Parties Nike's period rightexplanation.
I really, I really don't get it.
Trevor Lawrence cannot tieBrock.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Purdy's Nikes period right now.
So I think you're going toanswer this question for me, but
I did just want to ask thisreal quick.
I looked up before the show umcontracts.
Very similar results, verysimilar.
Would you rather have KylerMurray or Trevor Lawrence?
Kyler Murray, without a doubt,not even a question.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Not even Trevor Lawrence, for me personally, is
way down the list.
Now, if you watch the game, hehad a lot of drop passes, man,
yeah, he did.
He was putting balls in reallygood spots.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
He really did earlier in the game.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
There were some plays where it's like man, he needs
some help here.
But either way, I just week toweek, year to year.
Now we're talking, he has donenothing to like.
I'm sure there's people rightnow that would tell you they'd
take Trevor Lawrence in a gamebefore Baker.
It's just wrong, it's crazy,it's not right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Shut up Baker, by the way.
Shut up Baker man.
Trevor Lawrence 21 and 35 as astarter, 66 touchdowns, 42
interceptions, 35 fumbles.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right now I'm taking Joe Flacco for a game before
Trevor Lawrence.
Like he's down the list,brother, he is down the list.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, he's pretty bad .
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, all right, big Nick, to quick.
Let's move over to the DallasCowboys.
They are a disaster and cominginto the year.
I actually made a mistake, nick, and I actually thought about
this angle.
I was, I was going through myfuture places I'm not a big
futures guy in the nfl anywaybut I was like but when you're
the thing about betting year toyear or what well the thing
(31:35):
about, well, there's just somuch.
There's no reason to get outunless it's a super long shot.
There's no reason to get outunless it's a super long shot.
There's no real reason to getout in front with how many
injuries can happen and things.
It's like I'm getting plus 180on a spot I really like, but so
many things can happen that putyou in jeopardy.
I'm not a big futures player.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think, unlike the NBA, you can look at an NBA
roster and kind of have an ideaof what's going to happen.
If we're being honest, the NFL,you know top 10, 10, 15 guys.
After a while it's like I don't.
I don't know how this guy isgoing to play, I don't know how.
This fourth round linebackeryeah, it's way more, way more
variables.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So, for example, I was very confident coming.
The offensive line isn't aselite as it was At this time.
When I placed this future.
They were still fucking aroundwith CeeDee's money.
They had not locked him in, itwas just a lot of their biggest
offseason addition was ZekeElliott.
Everything about this team waspointing to not being very good.
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The defense got exposed on theback end of the year.
We saw what happened with GreenBay in the playoffs.
They got diced up Diggs comingoff of ACL and he's not a
lockdown cover corner like that.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, listen, hey, listen.
Yeah, we can have the TrevonDiggs conversation another day
of the week, but, yes, sobasically Not a lockdown guy.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
They have a guy in Micah Parsons.
That was the only guy ondefense, that's an impact player
and they wouldn't use him onthe edge every play because he's
trying to fill holes and do allthis other shit.
I knew Dallas would be bad anda mistake made by me and I hope
people learn from this Ideferred to then.
Oh, I'll just bet Philly to winthe division and I should have
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just faded the Cowboysindividually, because part of me
was like what if Jaden Danielsis Coleridge 2.0 and they're
really good, what do you know?
That's exactly what they are.
And now I'm sweating and tryingto figure out a hedge on the
Eagles potentially winning thedivision because Sirianni is a
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dumpster fire.
And now Jaden Daniels and thecommanders are really really
good and can compete with teamsand have a real good chance to
win that division.
So I say all that to say bigNick to quick.
If you were Jerry Jones and youown the Dallas Cowboys the most
lucrative and expensive and howwould I say net worth, they're
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worth the most Valuable, yeah,the most valuable franchise in
the NFL the highest valued teamin the NFL, big Nick, to quick
the blue chip franchise in theNFL, and you are in the
situation you're in now whereyou're three and three but
you're dead.
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If we're being honest, you'vebeen getting three and three.
You've been getting dusted offat home.
Every good team you play, youget smashed by.
What do you do right now, nickthe quick?
If you're Jerry Jones, well,there's absolutely nothing that
you can do right now, nickDeQuick.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
If you're Jerry Jones , well, there's absolutely
nothing that you can do rightnow as far as player personnel.
You can't really bring anybodyin that's going to change this.
I know a lot of people will belike oh, bring in Devontae Adams
.
What does Devontae do for yourteam right now?
Adding another wide receiver?
What are you just going tothrow the ball 50 times a game
and still not have a runninggame?
He doesn't fix.
(35:04):
What's wrong with you.
Um, there's really nothing youcan do other than stay the
course, hope that micah comesback, hope that uh, what's that?
Lawrence comes back and you canmaybe compete in what's looking
like a winnable division, inthe sense that, yeah,
washington's playing really well, but it is a rookie quarterback
.
Philly does have a bunch ofissues and they look like it can
be beatable from week to week,and you still do have a good
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amount of top end talent, but itgets real thin and dicey after
that, um, but outside of that,there's nothing you can really
do.
Firing your coach isn't goingto fix anything.
Ultimately, if you want to firemike mccarthy, you need to
bring in a big time coach, andbring in a big time coach in
week seven's not really going todo anything right.
You could hire bill belichick.
If you know anything about billbelichick, he's not watched.
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Walk into a situation weekseven and changing it right,
like that's the type of guy youbring in on.
What's the day where they fireall the coaches?
black monday you bring him in onblack monday, when you fire
mccarthy, you hire belichick andyou get him there from day one.
Same thing with Vrabel anybodylike that on the market that you
might want to bring in.
So you have to stay the coursewith where you're at and,
honestly, just hope it getsbetter.
(36:08):
I don't think there's anythingthat they can do outside of
maybe trying to make some tradeson the defensive end.
But I don't really know whatyou have that you can get rid of
.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
There is something you can do, nick.
What's that?
There is something you can do,nick.
What's that?
There is something you could do.
Start, jerry jones, jerry jones, it's over relinquish power.
And start figuring out who youare gonna hire as a gm to run
the dallas cowboys and make theminto a winning organization.
(36:41):
Are you talking?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
about long term?
Are you talking about long-termor right now, jerry, getting
ready to die?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Jerry, don't have much time left.
All right, it is time torelinquish the power of the
day-to-day running of the DallasCowboys to someone else that's
qualified and that can get itdone, and you back up and become
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the owner.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
And when I say right now, I'm talking about right now
, tomorrow, yeah, because heshould absolutely do that, make
no mistake about it.
I fully believe that JerryJones is a major part of the
problem, of what goes on inDallas.
So, absolutely, I think, longterm, that's what should happen.
But if you're saying right now,yeah, absolutely, I don't know
how that helps them this yearMaybe it does.
(37:30):
Maybe the vibes of Jerry notbeing involved in every single
thing that goes on helps you out, because, remember, they still
got the Michael Parsons contract.
Well, it's a head start.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's what, what I'm getting at is like yo start the
transition mentally of like heyman, maybe I need to relinquish
.
What I've been doing hasn'tbeen working for a very long
time now.
Now I have a quarterback that'smaxed out.
I have a top-end wide receiverthat's maxed out.
I still have to pay my top-endedge rusher, but other than that
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, my roster is very depleted.
Zach Martin is getting older.
He's still towards the top endof his play, but he's still not
grading out to be one of thebest guards in the league
anymore.
You need to figure out the nextstep for the Dallas Cowboys and
it needs to be you stepping away, and that needs to start now,
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so by next year.
In the year after that, you canreally start competing and
building a squad the right way,because, as we know, it doesn't
take too too much to get back toa competitive level in the NFL.
They need a new coach.
They need a new coach, fix alot of holes on the roster, but
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you have a quarterback that canplay.
I don't care what anybody saysabout Dak Prescott.
He is under a ton of pressure.
He looked terrible last nightbut he's under a lot of pressure
every week to go do thingsBecause, legitimately, this is
trending to be the worst rundefense in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, you can do whatever you want against them.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You can do whatever you want in the run game against
them.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So let me ask you Go ahead.
Let me ask you this, thoughOkay, so assuming you get the
Parsons deal done this summer,which that's going to be
interesting.
Yeah, he's missing games now.
You know Jerry's going to bedead.
Well, we talked about that.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
We talked about that three weeks ago.
I wouldn't be shocked if thishammy, the lingering injury that
Micah is dealing with, lingerson for quite a while.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So the hammy's going to turn into a contusion?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It might turn into a contusion.
Lower body injury.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
A hockey injury.
Hey the hockey report he's gota lower body injury.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Now it's the hamstring.
It's just starting to move intoother parts of the body.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Lower body injury.
My shin doesn't bend, coach,but listen, yeah.
So let's say you do get theparsons deal done.
You're now at the top end ofthe market at quarterback, at
wide receiver, at edge rusherand at corner remember, they did
play digs last year so you'reat the top of the market in four
different positions.
So when we start talking aboutthe rebuild right and rebuilding
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things, you're doing that,carrying the first one or two
years of a lot of massivecontracts, meaning you cannot
get out of those deals outsideof trading those players for a
huge loss.
So I think it's they're in aworse situation than I think it
looks.
It also is funny because itkind of shows you why maybe
jerry didn't want to pay any ofthese guys, because he's like,
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hey, we talked about this, wetalked about.
I'm paying to have the sameexact thing that doesn't make
sense.
Why am I paying and I'm gettingthe same thing?
um and now you're kind of seeingthat happen.
Right, but obviously, yeah,defensively the team is a joke.
I heard multiple people referto them as soft today on TV.
Um, I don't disagree with that.
I'm not going to throw thataround like that.
(40:59):
But look when you give up 47 athome and teams are running
trick plays for offensivelinemen to score touchdowns and
Jared Goff looks like Tom Bradyout there and they're just
running it down your throat andthey're scoring every which way.
I mean I had that game on themain TV first off.
Hey, can we please save TomBrady from having to call the
Cowboys every single week?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Every week, brady, they're all blowouts, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, I want to get Brady on a competitive game.
Please Like, please.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yo can I tell you a quick story.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Let me tell you this quick story.
I think the listeners willenjoy this too.
So my first time doing TV forMSG, I was doing a football show
.
It was called Odds with Endsand it was with Super Bowl
champion Matthias Kiwanuka, oldNew York Giants, d-end and David
Tyree Shout out my guy, dt thecatch in the Super Bowl.
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Everybody knows DT.
It was me, matthias and DavidTyree.
I can't remember what team wewere talking about and you know
me, nick.
Everybody knows me.
I get along with everybody.
I don't have no issues withnobody.
I'm easy to get along with.
I bring levity and fun and wetalk ball.
(42:11):
We could talk ball seriously ifyou want, and we could dive
into the analytics and we couldjust talk shit and chop it up
about ball and do it both ways.
We were talking about somedefense or some player and I
called the defense soft.
I said man, this defense issoft.
They didn't like that.
Matthias Kiwanuka was furiouswith me you don't even you
(42:37):
didn't Like I got the.
You didn't play ball.
You don't even you didn't likeI got the.
You didn't play ball.
You can't utter the soft wordbecause you didn't play NFL
defense on a down and down.
You don't soft is none of thesedudes are soft.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
No one out there is soft yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
And to his credit he went pretty easy on me on live
television.
But in the break he basicallywas like don't ever use that
word around me again whentalking about defenses.
You can't use the S word.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Seriously.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Like he wasn't coming at me.
But he was like almost like mybody is beat up from playing D
in the NFL and ain't nothingsoft about this shit.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Nothing soft about it .
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So the soft word, especially on TV, I've tried to
remove when talking about theNFL.
But I mean Shout out, matthiasKiwanuka, shout out Matthias
Kiwanuka.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, he was just setting me straight.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
There's no way around it that you could do whatever
you want right now on the DallasCowboys and that defense.
So if I'm Jerry Jones, I have ameeting with the family and I'm
like, hey, man, this is thetime, it's time for me to
relinquish some of this power.
But we know that won't happen.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
We know it won't happen, right?
Yeah, there's more of a chance.
It's time for me to relinquishsome of this power, but we know
that won't happen.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
We know it won't happen, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
There's more of a chance of you.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
That's the fix, though that's the fix.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
There's more of a chance of you replacing Mike
McCarthy as the head coach ofthe Dallas Cowboys than Jerry
Jones stepping down and sayingit's me, because that's what
he'd be doing.
He'd be built that way, rightLike that would be very soft of
him, and Jerry Jones is not asoft man either.
So I think they're in a badsituation.
I don't see it getting better.
The one good thing about themis they have always drafted well
(44:28):
, so maybe a few drafts can fixthis, but again you're going to
have to pay.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
He's not very good at picking coaches.
No, he's terrible at pickingcoaches and then he doesn't fire
, and he doesn't fire themquickly enough.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
He's stuck with jason garrett for 10 years too long
another guy who doesn't doanything, who never did anything
as a head coach jason garrett.
Um, yeah, so but but it's alsohard and, like you know how I
feel about mike mccarthy.
It's also hard to turn aroundand look at mike mccarthy, who
has won a shit ton of ball gamesin Dallas, and be like, yeah,
this is all on you, but that'sultimately what's going to
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happen.
Stay tuned.
But there's not too much from aroster situation that they can
do, and that's what's tough,because they really do need help
.
The culture is obviously toxicand we talked about that going
into the year.
The vibes were bad.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Not bad around, a lot of bad around that team same
thing with the bangles.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
We talked about that too.
A lot of bad vibes going on um,but they also have a locker, a
roster situation that they needto get fixed, and I just don't
see how they do that like they.
They really don't have arunning back.
They are weak up front on bothsides of the ball.
So see see what happens.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Speaking of a running back, they had a chance to get
Derrick Henry.
I want to ask you this Big Nickto quick.
He is on pace to score like 25,35 touchdowns in Baltimore.
I don't have the number infront of me, but he's scoring
every single week in BaltimoreOne, if not multiple, touchdowns
.
Going into the year his totalon rush yards was right under
1,000.
He's at 700-plus alreadythrough six weeks.
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He is absolutely rolling.
That run offense is rolling forBaltimore.
In my opinion that's the bestteam.
I think Detroit's the best teamin the league.
Hutchinson now going down withthe broken leg hurts man.
That's terrible.
That's terrible, that's tough,that's really tough.
We'll see how that shakes.
Man, that's terrible, that'stough, that's really tough.
So we'll see how that shakes.
But is this the year, big Nickthe Quick, that we could
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potentially get anon-quarterback MVP, a la
Derrick Henry, a la TJ Watt?
And where do you stand on thequarterback?
Because we talk about howimportant the quarterback is.
That's why they get the MVPsps.
Where are you at withpotentially a non quarterback
getting the award?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
yeah, I'm fine with it.
I think this could be the yearhe talked about derrick henry.
You talk real quick on tj watt.
Put this out in the group chatyesterday tj watt hands down is
one of the best football playersI've ever seen in my entire
life.
Just one of the best footballplayers I have ever seen in my
entire life.
Like, that guy is always doingsomething.
He is always making an impact.
I don't know what the Steelers.
(47:03):
It'd be interesting.
I don't know if anynon-quarterback has more of an
impact on how many games a teamwins than TJ Watt.
So I'll go ahead and say that Ithink Baltimore was winning
games before Derrick Henry gotthere and he just makes them
that much better.
I don't know If you watchSteelers games and I find myself
(47:23):
watching a lot of them becauseI kind of marvel at how they win
.
He is just making.
That's actually a great way toput it.
Yeah, but like even yesterday,right, like they played, they
killed them, it was.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
They played the.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Raiders.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
The Raiders played uh the raiders, the raiders, right
raiders, are about to score atouchdown the raiders are on the
goal line.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Strip set or strip of the running back at the goal
line.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Fumble recovery tj watt.
Yeah, punched it out on thegoal line, punch it out on the
goal.
Needed it, needed it, needed,it did it, and that's, that's
seven that's as good as scoringa touchdown.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
So, like I, I think I think when we talk about non
non-quarterback mvps, you reallystart there.
But right behind me is derrickhenry.
Derrick henry's unstoppablefirst couple weeks.
The baltimore ravens offensivestaff didn't realize that, so
they weren't using him in theways that they should have been.
Since then they figured out hey, give this guy the ball, give
him the ball, keep giving himthe ball, and it opens up every
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other thing that we want to do.
Their defense has a lot ofquestion marks still, um,
obviously.
But look, man, you can control.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It really helps your defense out so you would give it
to tj, like you would give thedna.
You would give the dna mvp.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Look if they go to the playoffs again.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, absolutely, he'sunbelievable.
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, he is, he's unbelievable, I would say from a
betting standpoint.
Not many defensive guys canmove numbers.
If TJ Watt gets ruled out, he'sprobably worth.
I would say TJ might be worthalmost a full two points, a
point and a half to the numberthat's funny, you said it.
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Like potentially two and a halfpoints to the number.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
There was an article on this last season and it was
Tyreek Hill was the mostvaluable in terms of points on
the point spread non-quarterbackin the NFL.
It has to be TJ Watt.
This year it has to be.
There's no way you're watchingSteelers games and saying, oh
yeah, like if you take this guyout.
They saying oh yeah, like ifyou take this guy out, they
still have a chance to becompetitive.
Like I mean, again, that was atouchdown, that was essentially
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scoring a touchdown yesterday iswhat he did because they were
absolutely going to score.
So I'd give it to TJ.
But that's no knock on Henry.
Like, I'm not the type of thisor that.
Like, if Derrick Henry keeps itthis pace and he wins it, I'm
not going to be banging somedrum for TJ Watt.
Yeah, um, back to derrick henry.
Absolutely unstoppable man, andit helps the defense out when
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you have someone like that thatcan run the ball and eat up time
and force the other team toburn timeouts right, like again,
this is me we're talking about.
If you could run the ball andwin 20 to 7 every week, I'm
fucking fine, great, because noone you can't really beat.
That.
It's demoralizing.
Derrick henry demoralizesdefensive coordinators yeah
right, you can't really beatthat.
It's demoralizing.
Derrick Henry demoralizesdefensive coordinators yeah, he
does.
You can't tackle him At the endof the game.
He's just eating up clock.
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If you get down by the goalline, forget about it, and he
gets better as the game goes on.
When he hits that 20 carry mark, it's over with.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, it's very true.
I'm very interested to see whathappens with this mvp market,
because it seems to be up in theair.
My homes is my homes isn'tplaying top top ball.
Josh allen has fallen off acliff.
The last couple weeks.
He's essentially torched reallygood defenses or really bad
defenses.
He's played the cards, hetorched them, he torched
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jacksonville and then he'splayed the texans in buffalo and
he's looked very mediocre sofar.
He sees the Jets tonight, aswe're about to hop off here and
watch that, but he is in the MVPtalk.
We'll see what he does.
Lamar, are they going to givehim a third?
And back-to-back?
He's playing really well, he is.
He's playing unbelievable, he'splaying.
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This seems, though, like theyear that a non-quarterback
could win it, because thenarrative is going to be because
these are narrative awards alot of the time that we don't
need to give lamar three mvpsand back to back.
This is the time that we couldpotentially give a guy like
derrick henry the mv.
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All right, last question to BigNick the Quick.
This is a tough one before weget out of here, big Nick the
Quick, if you were Jimmy Haslamand you owned the Cleveland
Browns, what would you do withDeshaun Watson?
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Deshaun Watson or my whole entire ball club.
Here's what I'm doing righthere.
There's not too much you can dowith Deshaun Watson at this
point other than eat it.
And I think, just for the goodof everybody, pay Deshaun Watson
to go away.
I don't know if you get somecap relief by paying him or
saying, hey, man, maybe we'llgive you an extra 50 if you pay,
you and you retire, so we don'thave to have as much of a cap
hit, but whatever it is, pay himto go away.
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The situation is terrible.
It the situation is terrible.
It's over with.
You know how much I like deshaunwatson prior to this, but this
is over with.
This guy is done.
Um, he's finished and as longas he looms over your team,
you're never going to be able tomove forward, because if he's
on the roster, you're going tofeel compelled to start him.
The other thing that you needto do, as tough as this is going
to be, you got to trade awayanybody anybody on that roster
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who is worth anything.
You absolutely have to tradeaway.
When you traded for deshaunwatson, you gave the houston
texans the first round pick in2022, 2023 and 2024, along with
a 2023 third round pick in a2024 fourth round pick.
We talk about trade fleecingsand I guess at the time you know
(52:38):
, hindsight is 2020.
But um, what a haul.
Right like what?
What a giveaway, meaning duringthis time when you've been bad
with deshaun watson, you alsohaven't been replenishing the
top of your roster with firstround draft picks or even third
round draft picks.
You got to trade guys to getwhatever you can you would try
my draft pick.
Yes, that's where I'm headed.
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That's where I'm headed.
That's where I'm headed.
Trade Miles Garrett, tradeStefanski, if you can.
Didn't the Raiders trade Grudento the Bucs?
Yeah, something like that, ifyou can do that I'll give you
Stefanski for a fifth right now.
Free Kevin Stefanski.
I'd give them a fifth forStefanski right now, as much as
we like, as well as Ibra Felicisdoing the last couple of weeks.
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He's more valuable than a five,yeah, yeah, whatever he's worth,
get that for him.
But you have to rebuild thisroster, and you're going to have
to rebuild this roster whilecarrying like a $70 million cap
hit for Deshaun Watson.
And the only way you're goingto do that is with young talent.
And the only way you're goingto acquire young talent is by
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trading the guys at the top ofyour roster.
So, yeah, if it's miles garrett, if it's any of those guys on
defense, if you have some goodlinemen, if you have marie
cooper hey look, marie cooper isfor sale.
Who wants them?
Right, anybody that's on davidand joku.
David and joku's for sale.
Who wants them?
yeah, you gotta strip it downstrip it down completely because
you can't do anything.
Financially your hand even,even with Watson off the roster,
you're still hamstrungfinancially by that contract.
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It's like a $100 million cappaid if you release him For like
two years.
It's crazy, whatever it is.
So you're going to have to getyoung guys free, stefanski, and
start all over and just wait forthis to kind of end.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
At the time of the deal, we talked about it.
If he shows up and looks likehe did in Houston and is playing
ball, they are going to be verygood and, like it or not,
people are going to have theirmemory is going to be a little
shorter, it's going to change alittle bit, but boy oh boy, if
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it goes south and he playspoorly, it is going to be a
disaster.
And that was the gamble thatCleveland took, and that's
exactly where we're at.
I have absolutely no doubt inmy mind that a lot of the
players in the locker roomweren't happy that they signed
Deshaun Watson, but they wouldhave had to do what they had to
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do if they were winning and hewas playing really well.
Now you're telling me Morallywith it.
Yes, now you're telling me Ihave to put up with this guy and
he stinks, so he's bad, and Ihave to put up with a what I see
in my eyes a bad human being aswell.
(55:20):
It's a horrific combination.
It has to end.
He needs to go, and I thinkthat's a really good way to do
it is just hit the reset on thefranchise and just the only
cheap, only cheap way you getgood players in the nfl is
through the draft, and that'swhat nick just laid out.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
That's what you gotta do and listen to this before we
get out of here.
Listen to the cap hit.
Mind you, they restructured hisdeal to move some money to the
back end of this contract Ifhe's on the roster next year.
Do you know what his cap numberis?
Yeah, it's like 80, right,$72.9 million.
If you release him, his cap hitnext year.
His dead cap would be $172million.
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Year after that, $72 million.
If you release him, it's $100million.
Year after that, $27 million.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
60% of your salary cap is on a guy that you're not
paying you gotta do somethinglike they did with Russ and move
him and say you'll eat all themoney, but try to figure out a
less hit on the cap there's noway someone would have to eat
cash.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
No one's eating, he's not good enough, he's not even
worth you.
Would you pay deshaun watsonfive million dollars a year?
How we talk about like, hey,trevor lawrence is on your
bottom end of quarterback maybeno, to do what?
Speaker 2 (56:48):
be a backup?
Maybe he sucks, but what I'msaying is we always say like
it's impossible to do this anddo that, and them boys get in
the cap room and they figuresomething out.
It was impossible for them themto get off Russell Wills until
they got off Russ.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah but that money wasn't guaranteed either.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Look, bro, the cap boys always figure something out
.
Figure out what needs to bedone for us to save.
If he has to be on the rosterand at home, fine, but it is all
toxic over there all the time.
Stefanski's at the podium,essentially telling you I have,
my hands are tied, I have toplay this guy every week, no
matter what.
Free Stefanski bro, free MaxCross.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Free Myles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Free Myles Garrett man.
Free the guys.
Simple.
Free the guys, man.
Simple as that.
For Big Nick the quick guy, I'myour host, sean Little.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's good, my people.
Welcome to no Catch-Up SportsTalk.
V-chicago.
I am your host, sean Little BigNick the Quick with me, as
always.
That boy Caleb Williams, he'son the ascent.
The city is on the ascent we'regoing to talk about the Mavs,
went out to London throughoutthe fit and put up four
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touchdowns, was an inch awayfrom having a five-touchdown
passing game over the Pond.
But before we get into that,cornball of the Week is back.
Big Nick the Quick gotsomething he got to get off his
chest.
We're also going to go aroundthe shield in the NFL.
If Big Nick the Quick was JerryJones, what does he do?
(01:07):
He builds Jerry World, and nowall his team does at Jerry World
is get blown out andembarrassed.
It's been three straight gamesat home for Dallas.
They've been absolutelymurdered, and it was no
different Sunday against theLions 49-6.
Nine they got smoked.
Nine 47-9.
Nine they got smoked Nine 47-9.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Nine Didn't matter 47-9.
Didn't matter after the firstfive minutes.
Put it that way.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're going to talk about that.
Also, if Big Nick the Quick wasJimmy Haslam and he owned the
Cleveland Browns, what would hedo with Deshaun Watson?
Tons to talk about Tons tobreak down.
We Tons to talk about Tons tobreak down.
We're going to have fun withthis one.
No catch-up Sports Talk, vietChicago.
Stay locked.
Big Nick the Quick, what'shappening?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
How we feeling Great.
I saw you were out in thecapital this weekend.
Took a little venture out tothe nation's capital, the
district, the district.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We was out in the district this weekend Shout out,
my cousin Brody, cousin bradyman and steph, they uh hosted us
at their crib.
Uh, he and my one of my closestcousins just had a son.
His name is carter.
So I went to go meet him, visithim.
We had a good time.
Man just kicked it, walkedaround dc saturday, hung out and
then sunday, just kicked it,watched some ball, ordered some
wings, grilled.
It was, uh, it was perfect.
(02:19):
We just chilled, perfect.
So, yeah, it was perfect, itwas perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
But perfect, I actually had.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But I actually had.
Yeah, perfect, I had a ton ofpeople in my inbox, not that
recently, but when we stoppeddoing it, people used to hit me
all the time.
When are y'all going to bringCornball of the Week back?
Well, it's back.
We're going to put it inrotation with A-Man and the rest
of the new segments.
Here on the relaunch of nocatch up, big Nick to quick has
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a corn ball of the week and alot of people agree with you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
What are we going to?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
say we don't need to say anymore.
Nick Sirianni, head coach ofthe Philadelphia Eagles Listen,
man, I think we can go back towhen Sirianni was hired, gave a
gave a bit of a wild pressconference.
Some questions came up.
You know, is this the guy thatwe want?
What's the deal with this guy?
He seems a little bit extra.
You know, I like out-the-boxhires, right.
(03:13):
So I was kind of like look man,first press conference was
rough.
You know who else had a firstpress conference?
That was rough?
Dan Campbell.
And that's worked out well.
Fast forward to four years later.
Look, serie A did a great thingtaking this team to the Super
Bowl.
It was a great moment for them.
They obviously lost.
Then we fast forward to lastyear.
Team starts off 7-1, rightAfter that team completely
(03:35):
implodes, gets smacked by theTampa Bay Buccaneers in the
playoffs.
Whole offseason full ofquestions Is Jalen Hurts really
that guy?
What's going on withPhiladelphiailadelphia?
The story comes out in thebeginning of the year saying him
and him and uh, hurts don'treally have the greatest
relationship, right?
They asked hurts about it thisweek he said, yeah, we talk,
(03:55):
which tells you everything thatyou need to know about that
relationship.
But that's not what's importanthere.
What's important is whathappened yesterday.
Yesterday at home home.
The Philadelphia Eagles areplaying the Cleveland Browns,
who they end up beating.
I think the score was what?
20-17?
.
A close game against theCleveland Browns who we'll get
into later when we talk aboutthe whole Jimmy Haslam situation
(04:16):
are easily one of the worstteams in the league top two
worst teams in the league, rightbehind the Carolina Panthers.
Nearing the final minutes ofthat victory.
Sirianni, who I guess had beenhearing it from the fans
throughout the entire game Ithink at one point they were
chanting fire, Nick, fire Nick.
All types of stuff, whatever.
He's gotten a lot of heat Turnsfrom the sideline, runs up to
(04:40):
where the fans are and startsscreaming at the fans in
Philadelphia in the link, youknow, saying whatever.
You couldn't quite see what hewas saying, but he was clearly
talking shit to his own fans,which I've watched a lot of
sports in my life.
I can't tell you that I haveever seen that before.
Right, like it's one thing ifthey were in Cleveland or
(05:01):
something like that, and he'syelling at those fans, at your
home fans, during a win.
I have never seen a head coachturn and do that Then then this
is the kicker.
This is the part that really gotme In the post-Cain presser.
After barely beating theCleveland Browns, he brings his
kid with him to the pressconference, which I can tell you
(05:22):
for sure, outside of a SuperBowl victory I have never seen a
head coach across any sport,any sport, and you already know
how I feel about kids at thepodium.
Your boy out in Boston does itall the time.
I feel like it's verydeflectionary.
The kid always seems to make anappearance when the going gets
tough.
Sirianni, after a regular seasonbarely scraped by a win against
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the lowly cleveland browns,brings his kid out to the press
conference right after he justtalked shit to the fans,
proceeds to then tell everybodyat the press conference that his
players told him he wanted, heneeded more passion and that's
why he ended up running up andtalking shit to the fans right,
also said hey, look, our fanshelped us out, they got us some
(06:07):
offside penalties.
But you know I also don't likeit when they're going against us
.
This is the city ofPhiladelphia.
We don't need to talk about thehistory of the fans in
Philadelphia, but I don't knowif I can think of in more recent
, active, more recent memory,more cornball activity than
turning around yelling at yourfans in the stadium during a win
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against a bad team, a gameyou're barely winning, then
bringing your kid up to thepress conference, saying it was
your players who told you to dosomething like that and then
doubling down on it and sayingthat it was the right thing to
do.
Nick sirianni is a certifiedcornball.
He is not mature enough I don'tknow if that's the right word
(06:48):
Not mature enough to be a headcoach in the NFL.
I don't know how you cancontrol a locker room full of
people when you are doing thingslike that, especially when
there's already questions aboutyou.
So to me, it was pure cornballactivity.
The Philadelphia Eagles shouldbe embarrassed.
He should be embarrassed.
He should be embarrassed and,for being honest, there's no
(07:08):
reason he should coach this teamif they have another bad loss.
That gives me everything I needto know.
That tells me everything I needto know.
I would move on from that guyright now.
All serious aside, all jokesaside, it was embarrassing.
Never seen anything like it.
Absolute cornball of the week.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Never seen anything like it for those, absolute
cornball of the week.
For those who don't know, bignick the quick is a big.
You represent the franchisewhen you're the quarterback and
the coach.
You cannot embarrass the peoplethat are running and own the
team.
You know who pays all thesalaries, the people sitting in
the seats, the people buying allthe merchandise.
Nick sirianni is the prime, anumber one fbi most wanted for.
(07:52):
When he stops winning evenremotely close to competing,
he's out the door.
He has no leeway zero now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
What can I add on that?
Real quick, actually, to evenjust add to that point, remember
Nick Sirianni.
You went to the Super Bowl, youlost your OC and your DC and
you've essentially been adumpster fire ever since then.
So let's not, let's not, let'snot forget about that when we
love to talk about.
Our favorite subject is headcoaches.
And what exactly do they coach?
You are, you are pure.
(08:24):
What exactly do you coach guys?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
so already on thin ice in my book, forgive me and
then we talk about setting thetone and being a culture setter,
and that's not the culture orthe tone you want set.
It's clear.
The quarterback, who you havepaid, who is a bona fide, proven
leader in the nfl it's talkedabout throughout the league by
other players.
He carries himself as theleader Clearly doesn't like if
(08:50):
you want to put it in layman'sterms, he doesn't respect how
Sirianni moves on a day-to-day.
That's it, period.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I don't like how he's living.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
He don't like how he lives his life, how?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
he moves.
I don't like how he lives.
I don't like how he moves.
He don't like how he lives hislife how he moves.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I don't like how he moves.
Now, when you represent theteam, the coach and the
quarterback and one guy and theother are kind of head up on how
you should go about things.
That's bad news bears.
Now we know everything isalways going to be covered up
when you're winning, but theyhaven't been.
They finally get all their guysback AJ Brown's back, devontae
(09:27):
Smith is back.
They don't bury the ClevelandBrowns whatsoever.
They actually scrape out a win.
It wasn't as close as it lookedbecause Cleveland blocked a
field goal.
Miles Garrett blocked the fieldgoal.
They pick it up, scoop and takeit down and score a TD.
That was the only offensivetouchdown they scored, but still
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it was a one-possession game.
They had to get a stop from.
Cleveland Could have won thatgame coming down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You should be walloping that team.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You should be walking the stadium and kissing the
fans' hands saying thank you forthe support, not the exact
opposite.
So yeah, man, I mean that was abad look, a cornball move, and
it aligned with how he's beenacting now for quite a while.
(10:17):
He's won a lot of games, but heseems to be he doesn't have the
belief of guys that he needs tohave the belief of, and that's
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If you're Jalen Hurts , think about where you came
from, right.
I played at the University ofAlabama under Nick Saban.
There was no cornball activitythere at all.
I'm not used to my head coachacting like this, and this isn't
the first time that Siriannihas came off like a complete
cornball right or like anasshole, for lack of a better
term right.
This is not the first time thathe's come off immature,
(10:54):
childish, but to me that'segregious.
That is absolutely egregious.
Again, I've never seen in anysituation we know fans can be
unruly, right.
We talked about it last week.
You and I have had some greatheckle sessions on people, right
, and there's plenty of timesthat players have engaged in
that.
I've never seen a coach turnand run towards the fans after a
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game that you were supposed towin, like you just did something
and then bringing the kid upoff a buy against again a team
that is a literal dumpster fire.
One of the worst situations inprofessional sports, when you
put it all together, Acting likeyou just won the Super Bowl,
bringing the kid to the podiumand then doubling down on it.
(11:36):
It was pure corn.
I don't know what's cornierrunning towards the fans or
bringing the kid to the podiumfor the post-game press
conference.
It was egregious.
It was extreme cornballactivity and I will never be
able to unsee it.
I don't care what Nick Siriannidoes.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Stay tuned on Nick Sirianni and the Philadelphia
Eagles.
Let's see if they can continueto compete, because in a
division where the Cowboys arenot competitive, the Commanders
have now shown up and they'rethe favorite to win the division
by a little bit.
If they lose the division, tothe commanders I would say
that's the grounds for fire and,purely on the field, production
(12:14):
.
So stay tuned there.
Terrible division, but let's goto a more positive conversation
.
In the Chicago Bears and CalebWilliams I don't know how many
times Big Nick the Quick hassaid this over the last 24 hours
, but I'm sure it's in thedouble digits We've got one, we
have one.
Yes, chicago Bears fans, wehave a quarterback.
(12:37):
Speaking of a team in the Eaglesthat didn't beat a team that
they're supposed to beat veryhandily in the Cleveland Browns,
you can talk about the scheduleall you want with the Chicago
Bears.
They are thumping these badteams.
They went to London and thumpedJacksonville.
Jacksonville was D-O-A.
(12:58):
This wasn't.
We were getting by and we weremaking a play here or there.
The offense looked fluid.
They had no answers for what wewere doing offensively and
defense.
We absolutely put them in aphone booth and that was without
Jaquan Brisker or TyreekStephens.
So what I'm getting at isthere's a difference than
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talking about the schedule whenyour team ekes by.
They are smashing those squads.
Get out the way.
Y'all are not on our level.
That's what the Chicago Bearshave done.
Big Nick to quick.
Let's talk about Caleb Williamsbecause, any way you shred it,
you can pull up the analytics.
You can pull up the old man onthe couch on the south side.
(13:46):
He looked sensational.
You want to talk about EPA,expected points added.
He was the number onequarterback in the NFL.
We talk about air yards,accuracy, all the analytics and
you talk about just the eye test.
That's it.
This guy had command ofeverything going on, on every
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play, every possession, everydrive.
He made one mistake the entireday.
I have yet to watch the film.
I'm excited to go back and lookat all throws, but I know what
I'm going to see, because CalebWilliams was sensational, had
four touchdown passes easilycould have had five.
Tell me about what you saw, howyou feel and where we're going.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, easily could have had six, because why don't
you tell me about what you said,about that bad throw which I
thought was spot on on the money, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So when we talk about quarterback play in the NFL,
there's a lot of differentelements to it and when I'm
looking at I just lovequarterback play.
I was.
I was a mediocre quarterbackcoming up.
I had aspirations to playcollege ball.
Never really got there, butwatching quarterback play is
some of my favorite thing to do.
And this guy, caleb williams,without going and looking at end
(15:05):
zone and all 22 sideline had itgoing.
And when you're going throughquarterback tape and trying to
see how a specific individualquarterback played, there's a
difference between bad decision,bad throw and good decision,
(15:26):
bad throw.
In other words, when aquarterback is playing bad a la
Deshaun Watson, he's not seeingthings and he's making a bad
throw.
So the decision was poor andthe throw was poor.
You have to check off two boxes.
You have to make the rightdecision.
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You have to see what you'reseeing.
Make the right decision, thenmake the throw.
The only thing Caleb missed thisweek was he made all right
decisions and made one bad throw.
He's seeing everythingextremely clearly at the moment
for the Chicago Bears and hemade a right decision, just bad
throw.
There's a big difference.
(16:07):
Keep that in mind when you'rewatching quarterbacks.
Was that a bad decision and abad throw.
Or was that just a bad throw?
The decision was there on thepick to go up the sideline and
it was almost like he got toocute and was too comfortable.
He was so relaxed he was like,oh, I'm just going to put this
up.
I don't even got to zip this inbecause, like he wide open,
this is a six.
(16:27):
So that was the only mistake hemade all day.
But, nick man, I don't.
The best throw of the day, andit's not even close is to Keenan
Allen on a back shoulder.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
If I tweeted it, did you break that down?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
today on get up, yeah , yeah.
I tweeted and I, yeah, and Itweeted the still frame.
I don't know if we've ever hada quarterback hit the top of his
drop and throw that ball.
Keenan Allen, the ball cominghis way is a rumor.
He has no idea that the ball iseven thinking about coming his
(17:05):
way until it's on his ass.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And it's there.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He turns around and adjusts.
By the way, keenan Allen isstill one of the best in the
league at adjusting and puttinghands up and getting them where
they need to be and making cleanhands-first catches.
All that Excellent route runner, yeah, but the ball placement
on the fade unbelievable.
The ball, the, the, thedecision and the ball placement
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on the back shoulder to KeelanAllen on that touchdown was
insane.
He looked extremely comfortable.
I know it was against a reallybad Jacksonville Jaguars team,
but but Caleb Williams, theprocessor we talk about the
processor all the time.
Brock Purdy, elite processor,not a real big-time arm.
Tua, elite processor, not abig-time arm and can't work off
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script.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Fast processor Gets from one to three quickly.
About Tua, I'm not going tocall he's.
Yeah, tua has an elite.
Yeah, yeah, tua has an eliteprocessor.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Okay, we talked about this before too.
You're right, he can't play offschedule.
Tua has an elite processor, butonce he has processed, he can't
play off schedule.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
There's nothing there .
Speaker 2 (18:15):
There's nothing seems to be growing.
An elite processor has elitearm strength and decision-making
and when things go off schedulehe's elite at making more time
and creating, as we saw with thedump off to Cole Komet when
he's going right and comes backto Cole Komet.
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So if you start to seeeliteness like Lamar Jackson,
pat Mahomes, when you startprocessing can put the ball
where necessary and when thingsbreak down you can create more
time and either throw the balldownfield or use your legs to
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pick up 10, 12, 15 chunk yards.
So it's different right now forCaleb Williams.
He is clearly elevating andlooks very calm in doing so,
Almost exactly once I'd gottenover the Justin Fields thing.
What I hoped for and it is verymuch coming to fruition here
(19:18):
early in the year.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
So a couple things.
Number one I think you and Iboth we talk about this all the
time, right?
I also love quarterback playand I think that that's why you
and I have such a hard timewatching college football,
because the quarterback play isjust so atrocious and it's hard
to watch the game when thequarterback play isn't there.
To your point on thatinterception as far as good
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throw or bad throw, bad decisionor good decision, bad throw,
couldn't be more correct, rightagain, I think he will learn
from that and if anything thathe's shown us in these six games
is that he has learned fromsome of those things, some of
those mistakes we talk about,you were talking about a lot in
the first three, four weeksrunning backwards right, look at
this game in london, thoseplays where he was running
(20:03):
backwards before.
He has now decided oh, I couldrun forwards a little bit, I can
pick up some yards with my leg.
If it's a broken play, I don'tneed to try to scramble 15 yards
behind the line of scrimmageand make some crazy throw.
I can just try to run, pick up6, 7, 8, maybe 12, 15 yards and
live for another down.
So I would have to imagine thathe's going to look at that
(20:24):
throw and understand hey, in theNFL you just can't put it up
there like that.
Right, if I put that up therethe right way, that's six easy,
right, easy to DJ more.
He's going to catch the ahundred percent of the time.
You just can't throw it up inthere because NFL defensive
backs are going to feast on it.
You talk about that throw tokeenan allen, which was
absolutely beautiful throwingwith anticipation.
(20:45):
Right, that's a high levelthrow.
We talk about ball placement allthe time.
Why do I love burrow?
Right, it's the elite ballplacement.
It's the fact that yourreceivers don't have to make
adjustments.
It's the fact that, like yousaid, you turn around the balls
exactly where it's supposed tobe.
We love spectacular one-handedobj catches and things like that
, but you can't live off that,right, you live off.
Put the ball where it'ssupposed to be.
We love spectacular one-handedobj catches and things like that
, but you can't live off that,right, you live off.
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Put the ball where it'ssupposed to be, when it's
supposed to be there.
And caleb has gotten over thelast three weeks, elite at that,
right.
You look at the touchdown to djmore last week you look at the
um again, the touchdown throw tokeenan allen.
This week we talk about thatback shoulder touchdown to
keenan allen, that play.
There's only one way you canmake that play right and a lot
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of quarterbacks can do it, but alot of quarterbacks can't.
And the fact that he did thatwith ease, put it exactly where
it needs to be, didn't make amistake, didn't overthrow it
right, was in perfect harmonywith his receiver on that play.
Um, that to me is absoluteprogress and it's showing the
traits of an elite quarterback.
And they're winning footballgames, I don't care who it's
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against.
Back-to-back weeks of fivetouchdowns we watch every single
game with chicago bears overour entire lives.
We have never seen that.
So c Caleb to me, man, like Idon't.
I never felt it with Justin.
I wanted it to be this way.
I never felt it with Mitch.
I wanted it to be that way,like we would trick ourselves
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into certain things like, oh,that looks really good, but then
when you'd watch the routineand it's just not there.
With Caleb it's there.
People can talk about the deepball accuracy.
That's the hardest thing to doin the NFL.
I'm not worried about that.
It's coming.
He'll figure that out.
If you mean to tell me CalebWilliams can't throw 40-yard
bombs, that's fine for right now.
Again, you don't live off that.
There's only so manyquarterbacks who can do that and
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they are at the absolute upperechelon of quarterbacking.
But when we talk about theintermediate throws, that's what
he's doing.
It's not seven, eight yarddinks.
These are still going 15, 16,17, 18 yards downfield.
I texted you this yesterdayinside the 30 right and that
four down territory right beforethe red zone.
He's elite.
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When he gets down there he isthrowing touchdown passes.
You're not going for three.
In those situations he isthrowing touchdown passes, and I
also.
I also have to give credit toshane waldron.
Last couple weeks the offensiveplay calling has been on point.
I don't know what he told todeandre swift.
I don't know what he told tosome of these receivers.
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I don't know what he did tokind of fix that connection
between dj moore and calebwilliams, but it's all there.
So, yeah, man, we got aquarterback.
I told, I said it last week,I'm doubling down on it again
this week.
I have seen what I need to see.
He displays elite traits andagain, with a guy like fields
fields is an elite athlete likejustin fields you could put him
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in any sport on the planet andhe's to do really well and
probably go pro in it.
But there are definitely somethings even right now, as I
still watch the PittsburghSteelers that from a quarterback
perspective, he's definitelylacking in.
I don't see that with Caleb man.
I just see a rookie that'sgetting better and better and
better and better and actuallygives a shit.
And we talk about how he moves.
You talk about how he showed up.
(23:59):
That was a rookie showing up inthe London game like that.
It's different, and I saw itfrom when he first got here.
Man, the guy just moves with alevel of confidence that, yeah,
I'm just not used to seeing.
So, yeah, I'm all in.
Man, I've never felt this way.
I've said it a thousand timesthat we got a guy.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Another big thing here on the throw we're talking
about to Keenan Allen.
This is why it's important tosurround guys with talent.
If you're going to bring in asuperstar, talented young
Heisman trophy winningquarterback, how about this
Chase Claypool not making thatcatch?
We're not even having thisconversation because we're
(24:39):
talking about he doesn't haveguys that can go out there and
make plays for him.
Keenan allen made that play.
It's a.
It's a, it's a, it's a team.
It's a quarterback to widereceiver connection, simple as
that.
Where chase claypool doesn'tmake that back shoulder catch
from justin fields.
And so then it's a differentconversation.
(24:59):
And when we talk about shanewaldron, it's a different dude
last.
And when we talk about ShaneWaldron, it's a different dude
last couple of weeks.
Simple as that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That fake reverse.
You said it's the best playyou've ever seen on offense from
the Bears, and I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
The fake, double, double fake screen to the tight
end scene and Justin had a guycoming.
That was also another eliteplay.
Justin had a guy coming freeand didn't pay him any mind
because he knew.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Caleb.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Who did I just say.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Justin.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, caleb didn't pay the free runner any mind
because he knew he was justgoing to look him off and then
throw behind him to a wide open.
Cole Komet, it's just adifferent level of play call and
, I'm serious, that's the bestoffensive run play I've ever
seen for the Chicago Bears For atouchdown Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And he's using.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Cole Komet finally, which I was the first.
This guy's a great pass,catching tight end.
He scores touchdowns.
He's a really good player.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Use him.
Just don't ask him to bang withall pro DNs and he'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
That's it.
You got Gerald Everett andthose boys for that.
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Right.
And then we talk about DeAndreSwift.
A lot of people owe this man anapology.
No, I tweeted this in week two.
Why is Shane Waldron runningDeAndre Swift in between the
tackles as if he's Earl Campbell?
That's not his game.
Get him on a zone stretch, readGet him out in space and he
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will make plays.
He didn't forget about how tomake moves in the open field.
Deandre Swift every stop he'sbeen at.
When you get him the ball inspace, he makes plays.
That's what he's been doing,man.
We could talk about the Bearsfor four hours.
That's how excited I am.
I mean, does it get better thanthis right now?
(27:00):
Going into a bye?
I'm almost mad we're going intoa bye because it's going to be
too much positive smoke going upthese boys' ass the next couple
weeks.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm just upset because all I want to do is
watch the Bears, and I can'ttell you the last time I said
that I legitimately woke upexcited yesterday to watch the
game, knowing that there wasnothing else on TV too.
I just got straight Bears games, phones not going off with
notifications on all the othergames.
Coffee, I don't got themulti-screen going on.
There's no Premier Leaguedisappointment for me going on.
(27:30):
It was just beautiful.
Yeah, it was.
It was just there, just theBears on a Sunday and Caleb
Williams just handling businessdown to the tea celebration.
These boys are having a goodtime.
I'm telling you, man, it'sdifferent, like it is different,
and I don't care if it's sixgames, I don't care if it's
early, I see it.
You and I saw it, just like wesaw it last year with Colt.
(27:50):
How many games of Coleridge didwe need?
And it was just like we're onthe phone like hey, man.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It's different, that's different.
Yeah, we're good here right,just like I can tell you when a
guy's a bum, we can tell youwhen a guy is different, that
guy's different and I don'tthink we've missed yet when we
put that label on somebody.
Go back to the tape of when wesaid different.
We probably haven't missed yetAt some point we said Mahomes
was different, different, didn'ttake long Different, yeah,
(28:17):
colbert, different, it's clear,it's different.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
The proof is in the pudding.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No doubt the proof's in the pudding.
It's just different.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, this is not the week to have a conversation
about Ibrahim Floos and thelong-term big-picture stuff.
He's going to keep his job, butwe'll get there.
We'll get there.
It's a good sign that we're allgoing to have a conversation
about man.
We're playing such goodfootball that we could
potentially really start pushingfor the playoffs and what are?
Do we have a guy that couldtake us to the promised land for
(28:45):
real?
So we'll shelf that.
We'll leave that there.
We'll come back to MattEberflus.
But Caleb Williams, Chicagobears offense is a real problem
at the moment and I'm lookingforward to seeing what they do
because, coming out of the bye,with two weeks to prepare for
Washington, we should put up 30points Easy.
That Washington defense isawful, so I'm excited to see
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what they come out and do withthe game and the DMV in a couple
weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
All right Anything on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, I'll say this he is, he's been mediocre for a
while.
I don't know why anyone isafraid to admit that or doesn't
want to.
I don't really understand it.
Actually, the whole TrevorLawrence and Brock Purdy
conversation is it's not evenclose.
It's so interesting to mebecause people Colin Cowherd had
(29:38):
a list and came out and saidlast week that he would take
Trevor Lawrence before Brock 40.
And it's.
We're watching two differentsports, we're watching two
different games and it's purelybecause he's putting more stock
in.
Trevor Lawrence was the numberone pick.
That's the only explanation.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
There's no other explanation.
I really I really don't get it.
Trevor Lawrence cannot tieBrock.
Parties Nike's period rightexplanation.
I really, I really don't get it.
Trevor Lawrence cannot tieBrock.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Purdy's Nikes period right now.
So I think you're going toanswer this question for me, but
I did just want to ask thisreal quick.
I looked up before the show umcontracts.
Very similar results, verysimilar.
Would you rather have KylerMurray or Trevor Lawrence?
Kyler Murray, without a doubt,not even a question.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Not even Trevor Lawrence, for me personally, is
way down the list.
Now, if you watch the game, hehad a lot of drop passes, man,
yeah, he did.
He was putting balls in reallygood spots.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
He really did earlier in the game.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
There were some plays where it's like man, he needs
some help here.
But either way, I just week toweek, year to year.
Now we're talking, he has donenothing to like.
I'm sure there's people rightnow that would tell you they'd
take Trevor Lawrence in a gamebefore Baker.
It's just wrong, it's crazy,it's not right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Shut up Baker, by the way.
Shut up Baker man.
Trevor Lawrence 21 and 35 as astarter, 66 touchdowns, 42
interceptions, 35 fumbles.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right now I'm taking Joe Flacco for a game before
Trevor Lawrence.
Like he's down the list,brother, he is down the list.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, he's pretty bad .
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, all right, big Nick, to quick.
Let's move over to the DallasCowboys.
They are a disaster and cominginto the year.
I actually made a mistake, nick, and I actually thought about
this angle.
I was, I was going through myfuture places I'm not a big
futures guy in the nfl anywaybut I was like but when you're
the thing about betting year toyear or what well the thing
(31:35):
about, well, there's just somuch.
There's no reason to get outunless it's a super long shot.
There's no reason to get outunless it's a super long shot.
There's no real reason to getout in front with how many
injuries can happen and things.
It's like I'm getting plus 180on a spot I really like, but so
many things can happen that putyou in jeopardy.
I'm not a big futures player.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think, unlike the NBA, you can look at an NBA
roster and kind of have an ideaof what's going to happen.
If we're being honest, the NFL,you know top 10, 10, 15 guys.
After a while it's like I don't.
I don't know how this guy isgoing to play, I don't know how.
This fourth round linebackeryeah, it's way more, way more
variables.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So, for example, I was very confident coming.
The offensive line isn't aselite as it was At this time.
When I placed this future.
They were still fucking aroundwith CeeDee's money.
They had not locked him in, itwas just a lot of their biggest
offseason addition was ZekeElliott.
Everything about this team waspointing to not being very good.
(32:39):
The defense got exposed on theback end of the year.
We saw what happened with GreenBay in the playoffs.
They got diced up Diggs comingoff of ACL and he's not a
lockdown cover corner like that.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, listen, hey, listen.
Yeah, we can have the TrevonDiggs conversation another day
of the week, but, yes, sobasically Not a lockdown guy.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
They have a guy in Micah Parsons.
That was the only guy ondefense, that's an impact player
and they wouldn't use him onthe edge every play because he's
trying to fill holes and do allthis other shit.
I knew Dallas would be bad anda mistake made by me and I hope
people learn from this Ideferred to then.
Oh, I'll just bet Philly to winthe division and I should have
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just faded the Cowboysindividually, because part of me
was like what if Jaden Danielsis Coleridge 2.0 and they're
really good, what do you know?
That's exactly what they are.
And now I'm sweating and tryingto figure out a hedge on the
Eagles potentially winning thedivision because Sirianni is a
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dumpster fire.
And now Jaden Daniels and thecommanders are really really
good and can compete with teamsand have a real good chance to
win that division.
So I say all that to say bigNick to quick.
If you were Jerry Jones and youown the Dallas Cowboys the most
lucrative and expensive and howwould I say net worth, they're
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worth the most Valuable, yeah,the most valuable franchise in
the NFL the highest valued teamin the NFL, big Nick, to quick
the blue chip franchise in theNFL, and you are in the
situation you're in now whereyou're three and three but
you're dead.
(34:28):
If we're being honest, you'vebeen getting three and three.
You've been getting dusted offat home.
Every good team you play, youget smashed by.
What do you do right now, nickthe quick?
If you're Jerry Jones, well,there's absolutely nothing that
you can do right now, nickDeQuick.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
If you're Jerry Jones , well, there's absolutely
nothing that you can do rightnow as far as player personnel.
You can't really bring anybodyin that's going to change this.
I know a lot of people will belike oh, bring in Devontae Adams
.
What does Devontae do for yourteam right now?
Adding another wide receiver?
What are you just going tothrow the ball 50 times a game
and still not have a runninggame?
He doesn't fix.
(35:04):
What's wrong with you.
Um, there's really nothing youcan do other than stay the
course, hope that micah comesback, hope that uh, what's that?
Lawrence comes back and you canmaybe compete in what's looking
like a winnable division, inthe sense that, yeah,
washington's playing really well, but it is a rookie quarterback
.
Philly does have a bunch ofissues and they look like it can
be beatable from week to week,and you still do have a good
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amount of top end talent, but itgets real thin and dicey after
that, um, but outside of that,there's nothing you can really
do.
Firing your coach isn't goingto fix anything.
Ultimately, if you want to firemike mccarthy, you need to
bring in a big time coach, andbring in a big time coach in
week seven's not really going todo anything right.
You could hire bill belichick.
If you know anything about billbelichick, he's not watched.
(35:47):
Walk into a situation weekseven and changing it right,
like that's the type of guy youbring in on.
What's the day where they fireall the coaches?
black monday you bring him in onblack monday, when you fire
mccarthy, you hire belichick andyou get him there from day one.
Same thing with Vrabel anybodylike that on the market that you
might want to bring in.
So you have to stay the coursewith where you're at and,
honestly, just hope it getsbetter.
(36:08):
I don't think there's anythingthat they can do outside of
maybe trying to make some tradeson the defensive end.
But I don't really know whatyou have that you can get rid of
.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
There is something you can do, nick.
What's that?
There is something you can do,nick.
What's that?
There is something you could do.
Start, jerry jones, jerry jones, it's over relinquish power.
And start figuring out who youare gonna hire as a gm to run
the dallas cowboys and make theminto a winning organization.
(36:41):
Are you talking?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
about long term?
Are you talking about long-termor right now, jerry, getting
ready to die?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Jerry, don't have much time left.
All right, it is time torelinquish the power of the
day-to-day running of the DallasCowboys to someone else that's
qualified and that can get itdone, and you back up and become
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the owner.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
And when I say right now, I'm talking about right now
, tomorrow, yeah, because heshould absolutely do that, make
no mistake about it.
I fully believe that JerryJones is a major part of the
problem, of what goes on inDallas.
So, absolutely, I think, longterm, that's what should happen.
But if you're saying right now,yeah, absolutely, I don't know
how that helps them this yearMaybe it does.
(37:30):
Maybe the vibes of Jerry notbeing involved in every single
thing that goes on helps you out, because, remember, they still
got the Michael Parsons contract.
Well, it's a head start.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's what, what I'm getting at is like yo start the
transition mentally of like heyman, maybe I need to relinquish
.
What I've been doing hasn'tbeen working for a very long
time now.
Now I have a quarterback that'smaxed out.
I have a top-end wide receiverthat's maxed out.
I still have to pay my top-endedge rusher, but other than that
(38:01):
, my roster is very depleted.
Zach Martin is getting older.
He's still towards the top endof his play, but he's still not
grading out to be one of thebest guards in the league
anymore.
You need to figure out the nextstep for the Dallas Cowboys and
it needs to be you stepping away, and that needs to start now,
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so by next year.
In the year after that, you canreally start competing and
building a squad the right way,because, as we know, it doesn't
take too too much to get back toa competitive level in the NFL.
They need a new coach.
They need a new coach, fix alot of holes on the roster, but
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you have a quarterback that canplay.
I don't care what anybody saysabout Dak Prescott.
He is under a ton of pressure.
He looked terrible last nightbut he's under a lot of pressure
every week to go do thingsBecause, legitimately, this is
trending to be the worst rundefense in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, you can do whatever you want against them.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You can do whatever you want in the run game against
them.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So let me ask you Go ahead.
Let me ask you this, thoughOkay, so assuming you get the
Parsons deal done this summer,which that's going to be
interesting.
Yeah, he's missing games now.
You know Jerry's going to bedead.
Well, we talked about that.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
We talked about that three weeks ago.
I wouldn't be shocked if thishammy, the lingering injury that
Micah is dealing with, lingerson for quite a while.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So the hammy's going to turn into a contusion?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It might turn into a contusion.
Lower body injury.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
A hockey injury.
Hey the hockey report he's gota lower body injury.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Now it's the hamstring.
It's just starting to move intoother parts of the body.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Lower body injury.
My shin doesn't bend, coach,but listen, yeah.
So let's say you do get theparsons deal done.
You're now at the top end ofthe market at quarterback, at
wide receiver, at edge rusherand at corner remember, they did
play digs last year so you'reat the top of the market in four
different positions.
So when we start talking aboutthe rebuild right and rebuilding
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things, you're doing that,carrying the first one or two
years of a lot of massivecontracts, meaning you cannot
get out of those deals outsideof trading those players for a
huge loss.
So I think it's they're in aworse situation than I think it
looks.
It also is funny because itkind of shows you why maybe
jerry didn't want to pay any ofthese guys, because he's like,
(40:38):
hey, we talked about this, wetalked about.
I'm paying to have the sameexact thing that doesn't make
sense.
Why am I paying and I'm gettingthe same thing?
um and now you're kind of seeingthat happen.
Right, but obviously, yeah,defensively the team is a joke.
I heard multiple people referto them as soft today on TV.
Um, I don't disagree with that.
I'm not going to throw thataround like that.
(40:59):
But look when you give up 47 athome and teams are running
trick plays for offensivelinemen to score touchdowns and
Jared Goff looks like Tom Bradyout there and they're just
running it down your throat andthey're scoring every which way.
I mean I had that game on themain TV first off.
Hey, can we please save TomBrady from having to call the
Cowboys every single week?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Every week, brady, they're all blowouts, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, I want to get Brady on a competitive game.
Please Like, please.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yo can I tell you a quick story.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Let me tell you this quick story.
I think the listeners willenjoy this too.
So my first time doing TV forMSG, I was doing a football show
.
It was called Odds with Endsand it was with Super Bowl
champion Matthias Kiwanuka, oldNew York Giants, d-end and David
Tyree Shout out my guy, dt thecatch in the Super Bowl.
(41:50):
Everybody knows DT.
It was me, matthias and DavidTyree.
I can't remember what team wewere talking about and you know
me, nick.
Everybody knows me.
I get along with everybody.
I don't have no issues withnobody.
I'm easy to get along with.
I bring levity and fun and wetalk ball.
(42:11):
We could talk ball seriously ifyou want, and we could dive
into the analytics and we couldjust talk shit and chop it up
about ball and do it both ways.
We were talking about somedefense or some player and I
called the defense soft.
I said man, this defense issoft.
They didn't like that.
Matthias Kiwanuka was furiouswith me you don't even you
(42:37):
didn't Like I got the.
You didn't play ball.
You don't even you didn't likeI got the.
You didn't play ball.
You can't utter the soft wordbecause you didn't play NFL
defense on a down and down.
You don't soft is none of thesedudes are soft.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
No one out there is soft yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
And to his credit he went pretty easy on me on live
television.
But in the break he basicallywas like don't ever use that
word around me again whentalking about defenses.
You can't use the S word.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Seriously.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Like he wasn't coming at me.
But he was like almost like mybody is beat up from playing D
in the NFL and ain't nothingsoft about this shit.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Nothing soft about it .
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So the soft word, especially on TV, I've tried to
remove when talking about theNFL.
But I mean Shout out, matthiasKiwanuka, shout out Matthias
Kiwanuka.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, he was just setting me straight.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
There's no way around it that you could do whatever
you want right now on the DallasCowboys and that defense.
So if I'm Jerry Jones, I have ameeting with the family and I'm
like, hey, man, this is thetime, it's time for me to
relinquish some of this power.
But we know that won't happen.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
We know it won't happen, right?
Yeah, there's more of a chance.
It's time for me to relinquishsome of this power, but we know
that won't happen.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
We know it won't happen, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
There's more of a chance of you.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
That's the fix, though that's the fix.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
There's more of a chance of you replacing Mike
McCarthy as the head coach ofthe Dallas Cowboys than Jerry
Jones stepping down and sayingit's me, because that's what
he'd be doing.
He'd be built that way, rightLike that would be very soft of
him, and Jerry Jones is not asoft man either.
So I think they're in a badsituation.
I don't see it getting better.
The one good thing about themis they have always drafted well
(44:28):
, so maybe a few drafts can fixthis, but again you're going to
have to pay.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
He's not very good at picking coaches.
No, he's terrible at pickingcoaches and then he doesn't fire
, and he doesn't fire themquickly enough.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
He's stuck with jason garrett for 10 years too long
another guy who doesn't doanything, who never did anything
as a head coach jason garrett.
Um, yeah, so but but it's alsohard and, like you know how I
feel about mike mccarthy.
It's also hard to turn aroundand look at mike mccarthy, who
has won a shit ton of ball gamesin Dallas, and be like, yeah,
this is all on you, but that'sultimately what's going to
(45:03):
happen.
Stay tuned.
But there's not too much from aroster situation that they can
do, and that's what's tough,because they really do need help
.
The culture is obviously toxicand we talked about that going
into the year.
The vibes were bad.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Not bad around, a lot of bad around that team same
thing with the bangles.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
We talked about that too.
A lot of bad vibes going on um,but they also have a locker, a
roster situation that they needto get fixed, and I just don't
see how they do that like they.
They really don't have arunning back.
They are weak up front on bothsides of the ball.
So see see what happens.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Speaking of a running back, they had a chance to get
Derrick Henry.
I want to ask you this Big Nickto quick.
He is on pace to score like 25,35 touchdowns in Baltimore.
I don't have the number infront of me, but he's scoring
every single week in BaltimoreOne, if not multiple, touchdowns
.
Going into the year his totalon rush yards was right under
1,000.
He's at 700-plus alreadythrough six weeks.
(46:03):
He is absolutely rolling.
That run offense is rolling forBaltimore.
In my opinion that's the bestteam.
I think Detroit's the best teamin the league.
Hutchinson now going down withthe broken leg hurts man.
That's terrible.
That's terrible, that's tough,that's really tough.
We'll see how that shakes.
Man, that's terrible, that'stough, that's really tough.
So we'll see how that shakes.
But is this the year, big Nickthe Quick, that we could
(46:24):
potentially get anon-quarterback MVP, a la
Derrick Henry, a la TJ Watt?
And where do you stand on thequarterback?
Because we talk about howimportant the quarterback is.
That's why they get the MVPsps.
Where are you at withpotentially a non quarterback
getting the award?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
yeah, I'm fine with it.
I think this could be the yearhe talked about derrick henry.
You talk real quick on tj watt.
Put this out in the group chatyesterday tj watt hands down is
one of the best football playersI've ever seen in my entire
life.
Just one of the best footballplayers I have ever seen in my
entire life.
Like, that guy is always doingsomething.
He is always making an impact.
I don't know what the Steelers.
(47:03):
It'd be interesting.
I don't know if anynon-quarterback has more of an
impact on how many games a teamwins than TJ Watt.
So I'll go ahead and say that Ithink Baltimore was winning
games before Derrick Henry gotthere and he just makes them
that much better.
I don't know If you watchSteelers games and I find myself
(47:23):
watching a lot of them becauseI kind of marvel at how they win
.
He is just making.
That's actually a great way toput it.
Yeah, but like even yesterday,right, like they played, they
killed them, it was.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
They played the.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Raiders.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
The Raiders played uh the raiders, the raiders, right
raiders, are about to score atouchdown the raiders are on the
goal line.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Strip set or strip of the running back at the goal
line.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Fumble recovery tj watt.
Yeah, punched it out on thegoal line, punch it out on the
goal.
Needed it, needed it, needed,it did it, and that's, that's
seven that's as good as scoringa touchdown.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
So, like I, I think I think when we talk about non
non-quarterback mvps, you reallystart there.
But right behind me is derrickhenry.
Derrick henry's unstoppablefirst couple weeks.
The baltimore ravens offensivestaff didn't realize that, so
they weren't using him in theways that they should have been.
Since then they figured out hey, give this guy the ball, give
him the ball, keep giving himthe ball, and it opens up every
(48:17):
other thing that we want to do.
Their defense has a lot ofquestion marks still, um,
obviously.
But look, man, you can control.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It really helps your defense out so you would give it
to tj, like you would give thedna.
You would give the dna mvp.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Look if they go to the playoffs again.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, absolutely, he'sunbelievable.
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, he is, he's unbelievable, I would say from a
betting standpoint.
Not many defensive guys canmove numbers.
If TJ Watt gets ruled out, he'sprobably worth.
I would say TJ might be worthalmost a full two points, a
point and a half to the numberthat's funny, you said it.
(48:58):
Like potentially two and a halfpoints to the number.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
There was an article on this last season and it was
Tyreek Hill was the mostvaluable in terms of points on
the point spread non-quarterbackin the NFL.
It has to be TJ Watt.
This year it has to be.
There's no way you're watchingSteelers games and saying, oh
yeah, like if you take this guyout.
They saying oh yeah, like ifyou take this guy out, they
still have a chance to becompetitive.
Like I mean, again, that was atouchdown, that was essentially
(49:24):
scoring a touchdown yesterday iswhat he did because they were
absolutely going to score.
So I'd give it to TJ.
But that's no knock on Henry.
Like, I'm not the type of thisor that.
Like, if Derrick Henry keeps itthis pace and he wins it, I'm
not going to be banging somedrum for TJ Watt.
Yeah, um, back to derrick henry.
Absolutely unstoppable man, andit helps the defense out when
(49:44):
you have someone like that thatcan run the ball and eat up time
and force the other team toburn timeouts right, like again,
this is me we're talking about.
If you could run the ball andwin 20 to 7 every week, I'm
fucking fine, great, because noone you can't really beat.
That.
It's demoralizing.
Derrick henry demoralizesdefensive coordinators yeah
right, you can't really beatthat.
It's demoralizing.
Derrick Henry demoralizesdefensive coordinators yeah, he
does.
You can't tackle him At the endof the game.
He's just eating up clock.
(50:04):
If you get down by the goalline, forget about it, and he
gets better as the game goes on.
When he hits that 20 carry mark, it's over with.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, it's very true.
I'm very interested to see whathappens with this mvp market,
because it seems to be up in theair.
My homes is my homes isn'tplaying top top ball.
Josh allen has fallen off acliff.
The last couple weeks.
He's essentially torched reallygood defenses or really bad
defenses.
He's played the cards, hetorched them, he torched
(50:36):
jacksonville and then he'splayed the texans in buffalo and
he's looked very mediocre sofar.
He sees the Jets tonight, aswe're about to hop off here and
watch that, but he is in the MVPtalk.
We'll see what he does.
Lamar, are they going to givehim a third?
And back-to-back?
He's playing really well, he is.
He's playing unbelievable, he'splaying.
(50:57):
This seems, though, like theyear that a non-quarterback
could win it, because thenarrative is going to be because
these are narrative awards alot of the time that we don't
need to give lamar three mvpsand back to back.
This is the time that we couldpotentially give a guy like
derrick henry the mv.
(51:17):
All right, last question to BigNick the Quick.
This is a tough one before weget out of here, big Nick the
Quick, if you were Jimmy Haslamand you owned the Cleveland
Browns, what would you do withDeshaun Watson?
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Deshaun Watson or my whole entire ball club.
Here's what I'm doing righthere.
There's not too much you can dowith Deshaun Watson at this
point other than eat it.
And I think, just for the goodof everybody, pay Deshaun Watson
to go away.
I don't know if you get somecap relief by paying him or
saying, hey, man, maybe we'llgive you an extra 50 if you pay,
you and you retire, so we don'thave to have as much of a cap
hit, but whatever it is, pay himto go away.
(51:55):
The situation is terrible.
It the situation is terrible.
It's over with.
You know how much I like deshaunwatson prior to this, but this
is over with.
This guy is done.
Um, he's finished and as longas he looms over your team,
you're never going to be able tomove forward, because if he's
on the roster, you're going tofeel compelled to start him.
The other thing that you needto do, as tough as this is going
to be, you got to trade awayanybody anybody on that roster
(52:18):
who is worth anything.
You absolutely have to tradeaway.
When you traded for deshaunwatson, you gave the houston
texans the first round pick in2022, 2023 and 2024, along with
a 2023 third round pick in a2024 fourth round pick.
We talk about trade fleecingsand I guess at the time you know
(52:38):
, hindsight is 2020.
But um, what a haul.
Right like what?
What a giveaway, meaning duringthis time when you've been bad
with deshaun watson, you alsohaven't been replenishing the
top of your roster with firstround draft picks or even third
round draft picks.
You got to trade guys to getwhatever you can you would try
my draft pick.
Yes, that's where I'm headed.
(52:58):
That's where I'm headed.
That's where I'm headed.
Trade Miles Garrett, tradeStefanski, if you can.
Didn't the Raiders trade Grudento the Bucs?
Yeah, something like that, ifyou can do that I'll give you
Stefanski for a fifth right now.
Free Kevin Stefanski.
I'd give them a fifth forStefanski right now, as much as
we like, as well as Ibra Felicisdoing the last couple of weeks.
(53:19):
He's more valuable than a five,yeah, yeah, whatever he's worth,
get that for him.
But you have to rebuild thisroster, and you're going to have
to rebuild this roster whilecarrying like a $70 million cap
hit for Deshaun Watson.
And the only way you're goingto do that is with young talent.
And the only way you're goingto acquire young talent is by
(53:42):
trading the guys at the top ofyour roster.
So, yeah, if it's miles garrett, if it's any of those guys on
defense, if you have some goodlinemen, if you have marie
cooper hey look, marie cooper isfor sale.
Who wants them?
Right, anybody that's on davidand joku.
David and joku's for sale.
Who wants them?
yeah, you gotta strip it downstrip it down completely because
you can't do anything.
Financially your hand even,even with Watson off the roster,
you're still hamstrungfinancially by that contract.
(54:03):
It's like a $100 million cappaid if you release him For like
two years.
It's crazy, whatever it is.
So you're going to have to getyoung guys free, stefanski, and
start all over and just wait forthis to kind of end.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
At the time of the deal, we talked about it.
If he shows up and looks likehe did in Houston and is playing
ball, they are going to be verygood and, like it or not,
people are going to have theirmemory is going to be a little
shorter, it's going to change alittle bit, but boy oh boy, if
(54:38):
it goes south and he playspoorly, it is going to be a
disaster.
And that was the gamble thatCleveland took, and that's
exactly where we're at.
I have absolutely no doubt inmy mind that a lot of the
players in the locker roomweren't happy that they signed
Deshaun Watson, but they wouldhave had to do what they had to
(55:00):
do if they were winning and hewas playing really well.
Now you're telling me Morallywith it.
Yes, now you're telling me Ihave to put up with this guy and
he stinks, so he's bad, and Ihave to put up with a what I see
in my eyes a bad human being aswell.
(55:20):
It's a horrific combination.
It has to end.
He needs to go, and I thinkthat's a really good way to do
it is just hit the reset on thefranchise and just the only
cheap, only cheap way you getgood players in the nfl is
through the draft, and that'swhat nick just laid out.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
That's what you gotta do and listen to this before we
get out of here.
Listen to the cap hit.
Mind you, they restructured hisdeal to move some money to the
back end of this contract Ifhe's on the roster next year.
Do you know what his cap numberis?
Yeah, it's like 80, right,$72.9 million.
If you release him, his cap hitnext year.
His dead cap would be $172million.
(56:01):
Year after that, $72 million.
If you release him, it's $100million.
Year after that, $27 million.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
60% of your salary cap is on a guy that you're not
paying you gotta do somethinglike they did with Russ and move
him and say you'll eat all themoney, but try to figure out a
less hit on the cap there's noway someone would have to eat
cash.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
No one's eating, he's not good enough, he's not even
worth you.
Would you pay deshaun watsonfive million dollars a year?
How we talk about like, hey,trevor lawrence is on your
bottom end of quarterback maybeno, to do what?
Speaker 2 (56:48):
be a backup?
Maybe he sucks, but what I'msaying is we always say like
it's impossible to do this anddo that, and them boys get in
the cap room and they figuresomething out.
It was impossible for them themto get off Russell Wills until
they got off Russ.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah but that money wasn't guaranteed either.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Look, bro, the cap boys always figure something out
.
Figure out what needs to bedone for us to save.
If he has to be on the rosterand at home, fine, but it is all
toxic over there all the time.
Stefanski's at the podium,essentially telling you I have,
my hands are tied, I have toplay this guy every week, no
matter what.
Free Stefanski bro, free MaxCross.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Free Myles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Free Myles Garrett man.
Free the guys.
Simple.
Free the guys, man.
Simple as that.
For Big Nick the quick guy, I'myour host, sean Little.
No catch-up Sports Talk viaChicago.
That's going to wrap it up forthis week's episode.
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