All Episodes

June 12, 2025 45 mins

In this episode, Jake and Michael reflect on parenting, discuss Apple's new Liquid Glass UI, finding smarter ways to use video on the web, plus share thoughts on AI overload, Laracon prep, and why Wistia might be your next favourite video tool.

In this episode:
- Apple’s Liquid Glass UI
- Kit.com and Wistia for video
- Reflections on AI, tech bubbles, and accessibility
- Laracon US and vox pop interviews
- The emotional ride of watching your kids grow up

Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
Hi. I'm Michael Dyrynda.
And I'm Jake Bennett.
And welcome to Episode 177 of the NorthMeet South Web Podcast. [upbeat music]
-Nailed it. Got it. Nice work. All right.-Perfection.
From now on, we have it. Is it, is that onRiverside, or are you playing that
-through your special controller?-No. Yeah. No. That's coming through the,
the RODECaster.

(00:21):
-Okay. Yep.-Yep. So it's all-
-So glad you're using that-... all one channel for you. [laughs]
It is. It sounds great. Yeah. I'm lovingit.
-Excellent. Excellent.-It sounds really nice. Nice job.
Hey, um,
boy, I've got a lot of stuff written downto talk about. Before our show-
-You do-... started, I was like, "Oh, man, what
are we gonna talk about?" And then I had abunch of things to talk about. I think
this little power nap helped me out. Iwas, uh...

(00:44):
Dude, it has been a busy last couple days,and so-
-Mm-hmm-... my son was like, "Dad, will you sit
with me?" 'Cause he really likes it when Isit with him, and I have not been able to
sit with him the last couple nights. Andso tonight, I was like, "Yeah. I'll sit
with you for a few minutes."
Immediately fell asleep. Just lights out,man. Lights out. And so I woke up, and it
was like 10:03, and I'm like, "Oh, man. Wegotta, we gotta get the podcast in here,"

(01:06):
-so...-Yeah. Yeah. That was-
-Anyway-... that's the same with, with me and Eli.
Like, I, I will do his bedtime everynight, so I read and I sing, and then-
-Mm-hmm-... after that, you know, lately, he's
like, "Dad, stay with me for a bit." So Iwill stay until Ray comes in 'cause he'll
put Liv down and, yeah, it's just betweenwhen I finish singing and when Ray comes
in, I don't know what happens, but I'musually being jabbed in the leg to wake

(01:29):
-up. [laughs]-[laughs]
That's hilarious. Yeah, man. I mean, youknow, it's like, hey, could be worse. I'm,
I'm thankful that he still wants to sitwith me, so it's like, you know, some
-nights--Yeah
... it's like, oh, like, do I have to dothis? And it's like-
-Mm-hmm-... but then I'm remembering, like, yeah,
this is not the case for any of my kidsanymore. Nobody's asking me to sit with
them, so I'm just gonna enjoy it and takeit, you know-

(01:50):
-Mm-hmm-... take it where I can get it, sort of
-deal. So, anyway. Yeah. It's good.-Sure.
It's good.
Well, um, let's jump in real quick toLiquid Glass. Have you seen Apple's new
design thing that they've come out with?Have you seen this?
I don't know. Look, the reason, the reasonI own an iPhone is because Apple is,

(02:11):
like, a multi-trillion dollar company withall of these designers-
-Yep, yep-... and I just want them to design me the
interface, and then that's the interface.I don't wanna customize it. I don't want a
-widget.-Yeah.
-I don't want different size icons.-Okay, okay.
I don't want different col-... Like, I...You design it, and I'll use it. And if I
-don't like it, like--Mm-hmm.
And this is the thing. "Oh, why can't wecustomize our phones?" You, you totally
can. Go and customize your Android. Leavethe iPhone alone.

(02:33):
Absolutely.
-Dude, I--I didn't get-
-You know what?-I didn't get the iPhone-
-I can--... because it was customizable. I got it
-because--I can-
... it looked good as it was.
I can appreciate that perspective,actually. I really can. And it's, um...
You know, you sound like my dad
back when I was growing up [laughs] and wehad a Windows XP computer, and anytime I

(02:54):
would change anything, he would getsomebody to say, "Do not change the
-wallpaper."-Yeah.
-Do not--Yeah
-... change the cursor.-Yeah.
-Do not change the icons.-[laughs]
Just leave it the same, and we've arrived-
-Just leave it-... at that point.
-Yeah.-We've arrived at that point as, as, uh,
you know,
senior gentlemen that we are like, "Youknow what? I just like my iPhone as it
-is." I don't- I don't need the dark mode--Yeah

(03:15):
... the icons. I don't need the largeicons with no text, although I have both
of those turned on. Don't need them. Uh,you know? [laughs] I don't need them.
-Yeah.-Uh, so no. I c- I can get that
perspective. I, I will say, though, like,it's, um... No, no. It looks cool. Some of
the stuff they have looks cool. I, I doactually wonder,
um, with some of it, if... But, which bythe way, folks, if you haven't gotten the
chance to look at it, this is, like, a newdesign aesthetic that they're sort of

(03:37):
carrying across all of their differentproducts. So from the TV to your MacBook
-to your iPad--Mm-hmm
... to your phone to your watch, they'reimplementing this new design aesthetic, I
guess is what I can call it. Um, LiquidGlass is the idea, and they're wanting to
focus more on content. And so they wantthe controls to sort of get out of the

(03:58):
-way, as it were--Mm-hmm
... and
to that end, they've made the controls
more transparent, I suppose. The,
uh, you know, at the bottom of your apps,normally you'll have a bar, like, an
action bar that you can do things on, andwhat they've done is they've decided to
make those contextual, almost. So you canthink of, like, Dynamic Island at the top,

(04:19):
-how it sort of changes--Mm-hmm
... based on what live activities you havegoing on and things like that. Well,
that, that section at the bottom sortachanges contextually based on where you're
at in the app. If you're scrolling andyou're at the bottom, it's gonna be
different than if you're coming back up tothe top and it's, and it's whatever. And,
and then, and then it's transparent. It'snot, like, a hard-
-Yeah-... line color. It's-
-No, it's frosted--... it's a-
-Frosted glass, basically.-Frosted glass. Sure. Yep.

(04:40):
-Yeah.-And some of the effects that they have
moving between things is reallyinteresting, so I don't know. It's okay.
I, I'm wondering, like,accessibility-wise, the contrast didn't
seem that high. It seemed like for peoplewho need higher contrast, even for just
normal people who don't need highercontrast-
-Yeah-... it seemed awfully close. Um, so
anyway, I don't know. We'll see. I, Ialways love to kinda play with the new,

(05:02):
the new designs and, and take a look atthose, but...
I don't know. Whatever, whatever it lookslike outta the box is, is exactly how I'm
gonna leave it. I'm definitely not goingto customize my message background, so I,
I can look at the icon and I know who I'mtalking to. I don't need a
wacky-colored background. I don't need anyof this stuff. Like, the frosted glass is
nice in things, like, in applicationwhere it's, like, the music app and the

(05:25):
controls are... Yeah. Okay, that's fine,'cause it allows them to present the
cover art more, but
it's not [laughs]... Like, you're notshowing more of the, the background of the
home screen because you've got all ofthese frosted glass elements because it's
-all, it's all blurred anyway, so...-Yeah.
-I don't know. It's--Yeah.
Whatever. Like, I get it. But whatever thedefault is, however the icons look when I

(05:48):
install iOS 26 now, 'cause they'vedecided to t-... number of these things
based on the year that they- they'rereleased ahead of, rather than, you know-
-Ah, interesting. Okay-... sequential numbers. So, obviously,
-this will come out in September.-Kind of like with, like, vehicles.
-Because it comes out in September.-Yeah.
Yeah, like cars. You know, it's coming outin September. There's no point in calling
it iOS 25 because 25 is almost over, sowe'll... You know, this is-

(06:09):
-Right-... iOS 26. Which I- I get that. Whatever.
Totally fine. Um, but, yeah. However itlooks out of the box is exactly how I'm
gonna leave it. I'm not gonna change it.I'm not gonna look for any... Like, I s-
I've created one Genmoji. I'm go- okay,that was fun.
-I know.-So...
-I'm with you on that. Like--I think-
-... I've created a couple, but not many-...
I think the... I think the interestingperspective is that I, I... And I didn't
see that because this happened at 3:00 AM,so I haven't... Whatever has crossed my

(06:32):
-timeline in--Sure
... in Twitter is all I've seen. But, um,
I think the, the interesting perspectiveis that they, like, they just didn't talk
-about Siri or Apple Intelligence at all.-Mm-hmm.
And, you know, everyone's obviously,
um, the sky is falling at Apple, they'reso far behind on AI, they can't... You
know, it's like... I don't know.
They don't have to talk about it.

(06:53):
They haven't delivered on the stuff thatthey promised last year, really, so why
would they bring that up? I d- I alsodon't think... Like, they're sticking
their heads in the sand a little bit aswell, so.
Yeah.
But who knows? Like, it's a, it's amulti-trillion dollar company. Clearly,
AIs... And I don't know how much of it istech bubble stuff. You know, we're
obviously on the bleeding edge of AI, um,as developers and people that are using

(07:15):
this stuff. I don't know... Like, I don'ttalk to anyone
outside of tech, really, that
even acknowledges AI as a thing. You know,it's not... I get that there are
productivity gains and there are things tobe said for, for that. Like,
there are certainly
consumer-focused applications of AI that,that are out there. Um,

(07:39):
but I think a lot of it... You know,OpenAI, all of this chat, ChatGPT stuff,
all of the, like, Claude and Cursor, theseare all developer-focused tools.
Yeah.
Um, I feel like AI from a consumerperspective is kind of being rammed down
people's throats. You know, you go toGoogle and it's no longer Google search
results, it's Gemini, you know, the AIstuff at the top of, of the-

(08:00):
-Yeah-... Google search results. So, like,
people are not seeking this out. It'sGoogle saying here's... This is how we're
gonna deliver search results to you now.So, I don't,
I don't know.
Like, yes, there are certainlyapplications of it that people would find
useful. I just don't know
how broad that is.
Well, I feel like, I feel like theapplications that they would find useful

(08:22):
have been integrated. So, you know, thisis, like-
-Mm-hmm-... sort of Apple's thing, where it's like
when near field communication stuff, likeNFC stuff first came out, Android, all the
phones were like, "Oh, now shipping withNFC." And it was like, "What are we
supposed to do with this?" Like, you c-it's-
-Yeah-... it's a useful sort of, like, uh,
headline, I suppose, but there was nothingactually useful that you could do with

(08:44):
-it, right? It was like--Yeah. Yeah, yeah
... okay, get a tag, and, like, if- whenyou walk in your home, you can, you know,
tap your phone to that tag and it willactivate smart home things. Or it's like,
or you could just talk to your Siri orwhatever. And it's just-
-Yeah. Yeah-... I don't know. It wa- it just... It
-seemed gimmicky, right? Um--Mm-hmm
... and so Apple doesn't ever seem reallysatisfied to just take the technology at
face value and just push it out there,like a very unrefined, raw version of it.

(09:07):
-Mm-hmm.-Instead, they integrate it into a product,
like Genmoji or like some of thePlayground stuff that they've done, where
you can take photos and use them asreference images and sort of add on
-additional things.-Mm-hmm.
They- they've done that, so they've,they've-
-Yeah-... pulled that in. They've made it
consumer-facing. They've done things where
you can highlight the text and have, um,have it rewrite it for you. "Hey, I want
this to sound more professional. Hey, Iwant this to sound more..." whatever. You,

(09:29):
you can do all that stuff. So, the, thepractical applications of it, I think have
been delivered on. I don't, I don'treally know that there's a whole lot else.
Um, but I will say, too, that, you know,it's not like they're disa- disallowing,
-like, ChatGPT from your phone.-Yeah.
Like, I have that on my phone. And, also,if I tell it to ask ChatGPT, it will. So
-they'll--Yeah
-... they have, like, a first party--Yeah

(09:50):
... you know, I don't know if it's firstparty, but they have an integration with
it, so it's like if I want that type ofanswer-
-Yeah-... I can just have it ask it. And so-
-You can connect to your account.-I don't know, like-
-You can do all that kinda stuff, um, so.-Totally. I'm not so worried about it.
-Like, I feel--Yeah
... like I can get everything that I needto get without a whole bunch-
-Mm-hmm-... of messing around. I, I think it's...
Yeah, it's pretty good. So, I, I'm not tooworried a- I'm not worried about that at

(10:10):
all.
-Um...-Yeah, I think when the time comes... And
th- there was, like, a research paper thatcame out
over the weekend, I think, or end of lastweek, from some researchers at Apple that
basically said what we have now is peakAI. And, like, the, the approach is
fundamentally flawed. Like, not, notflawed.
It is fun- th- there is a ceiling thatyou, we just-

(10:31):
-Mm-hmm-... won't get past with the approach that
we're taking now, because it's justmimicry and, like, guessing based on what
it already knows. It's not,
um...
You know, it's not able to infer stuff orcreate stuff or do stuff from scratch. You
know, if we, if
AGI is the goal, for better or worse, thenthe way that

(10:52):
all of the known or all of the currentstuff that is public, um, is being done is
not gonna get, get us there. So, like,who's to say that Apple is not working on
whatever the next thing is? You know, whenthe iPhone-
-Yeah-... first launched,
Google was making the next BlackBerry.They were, they were not even thinking.
Now, you know, it might be OpenAI or itmight be whoever else that comes up with

(11:14):
whatever the next thing is. You know, itmight not be Apple.
Um, you know, Apple has always been, like,a hardware company that, that tied all of
the hardware together with software.
I think that
whatever the next evolution is, you know,maybe Apple is working on that, maybe
Google is working on that, you know, allof this stuff that's happening.
I think

(11:35):
c- for consumers, you know, everyone waslooking... Like I said, Google was making
the next BlackBerry, and they were 12months behind the ball when Apple came out
with, like, this piece of glass-You know,this single pane of glass on the-
on the iPhone, you know? It was like, "Oh,we've been thinking about this all wrong
because we've been thinking about how dowe improve what we have, not what do

(11:57):
-people want next," kind of thing, so.-Yeah. Yeah. And I think too, it's like,
you know, Apple doesn't ever seem to bethe pioneer in the parti- particular
technology. They seem to be like theperfecters-
-Very rarely-... of it though.
-Yeah.-Yeah, yeah. It's like, um... You know,
just, so I mean, we were talking aboutNFC, right? But there's- there's a lot of
-other--Yeah, NFC. Yeah
... things like that where it's like, youknow, contactless payments. Well,

(12:17):
everybody had it, but nobody actuallyadopted it until Apple was like, "Nope,
we're gonna actually roll this thing outproperly, and now everybody's gonna have
it." And everybody has it now. And so, it,um, you know, I- I don't think they
typically are the first ones to enter aspace. They really wanna make sure they
nail it when they do. So, I was reading anarticle recently called,
I think it was something like AI and theHorseless Carriage. And it was this idea

(12:39):
that when-
when they first came up with theautomobile,
they didn't call it the automobile. Theycalled it the horseless carriage because
all they had previous to that wascarriages with horses pulling them.
-Yeah.-And so they were still in this mode of,
"Oh, it's a carriage. It's just a carriagewithout a horse. It's a horseless
carriage." That was how it was advertised,and you still had the person sitting on

(13:01):
-the outside of this thing.-Yeah.
-Like, out on the front.-Yeah.
Like, as if there would be a horse therenormally, so it's just like you had this
bizarre,
like...
They didn't know yet how to utilize thetechnology. They just sort of took the
-horse away and that was it, right?-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
And we're seeing sort of the inverse ofthat where it's like we've got these
applications that have existed forforever, and now we're just sprinkling AI
-on top of everything.-Yeah. [laughs]

(13:21):
And the idea was like, no, no, no. We needa reinvention of these applications.
-Right.-This is not email with AI on top. It's an
-AI-enabled... Like, it's AI first inbox.-Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Like. every piece that comes in is goingto first be analyzed by, and then we're
going to use the intelligence to onlydeliver-
-Yeah-... to you the things that you need, and
we're going to draft a response for youusing a prompt that you provided that has

(13:43):
context about you and your life and yourtone of voice, right?
-Mm-hmm.-That's what you need. That is the next
-generation application.-Mm-hmm.
-It's not a horseless carriage.-Yeah.
-It's an automobile, right?-Yeah, yeah.
And so that's- that was kind of the ideaof the article, and I think that's...
Hopefully that's where Apple's headed, andhopefully that's what they're thinking
about too, so.
I also think, interesting from a consumerperspective, like us as, you know,

(14:04):
developers, engineers, whatever you wannacall
our cohort of people, like yeah, we willbe early adopters for this stuff, but
we're also
generally in a position financially to payfor this stuff. And, like, some people
are spending hundreds of dollars a monthon,
um, you know, licenses... Not licenses.Subscriptions and tokens and-

(14:24):
-Yeah-... what have you. Like, the average
consumer, especially, you know, with theprice of housing and the cost of living
and all of that kind of stuff, I don't...You know, I assume it's fairly similar in
the US for large portions of thepopulation, but, like, in Australia,
people are not gonna be spending $200 amonth for, um, you know, GPT credits or
Cloud credits or whatever else because-[laughs]

(14:46):
-Yeah-... these- these are the... There's a
large percentage of the population that,like, can't afford groceries week to week,
you know? So,
the economies of scale have to kick inbefore any of that stuff is viable anyway,
-so.-Yeah, and I mean, these things aren't free
-either. Like, these- these--No. Yeah, the compute, the-
... you know, these cycles they'rerunning-
-... electricity, all of this stuff.-... it's not- it's not insignificant.
-Yeah, they're run--No.

(15:06):
You're a- you're running on VC bucks rightnow. You know, everything is.
-Right. Yeah.-Um, but it-
-Look, and look how much money, like--... can't s- be sustained forever.
Yeah, like, look how much money, um, Teslahas put into building out, you know,
their compute clusters. Look how muchmoney OpenAI is spending, how much,
uh, money Microsoft is investing in Azureand building all these data centers and

(15:27):
thing. Like,
-this is not infinitely scalable with--Right
... you know, current- current, um,technology in terms of power production
and- and the power consumption. It's, youknow,
you know, there- there is a limit to- towhat can be done with the current
approach. And things are getting fasterand things are certainly getting more
economical, but I think there is still aceiling. We can't keep, you know, churning

(15:51):
through water and electricity andwhatever else to- to power all of these
things, so.
Yeah.
-Yeah.-Interesting. Well, that didn't go the way
I was thinking it would, but it was stilla very interesting discussion anyway.
-Thank you--Yeah
... for the insights on that. I love that.
-That's all right.-Um,
okay, so I have a couple items here. I- I-I have a few things that I'm just wanting

(16:12):
to talk about as, like, a, "Do you thinkthis is interesting?" Or I thought they
-were interesting, maybe you will too.-Mm-hmm.
And then I had a-
maybe a scenario to share and/or ainteresting
question for where you would storeparticular values if you were wanting to
generate pages that were sort of static.Where should we store that data?

(16:32):
-Mm-hmm.-So I'll save that one towards the end.
But,
um, we've been working recently on ourwebsite for our job application page.
Basically, like, who we are as a company,and if you want to come work with us, what
our values are, what our culture is,
what jobs are available, et cetera, right?Previous to the... Previous to this
iteration, it was just a job board.Basically, here are the jobs we have

(16:54):
available. You like it or you don't, goclick and apply, right?
And now we've sort of morphed it into whoare we as a company? What are our values?
What is our culture? Where are we at? Whatare our locations? How do you get here?
What do you expect in an interview? Just alot more content, right? And so,
to that end, we've got a new designer onthe team and he's killing it, doing a

(17:14):
great job, but it's basically pushed meback into this, um,
this
role that I really enjoy but don't reallyget a lot of time to spend, uh, on, which
is just designing things or coming up withideas for things that I think would be-
would be interesting. And- and so
I've been gathering some inspiration froma couple places around, and one place that

(17:34):
I found that I thought was really, reallygood, uh, is Kit.com.
So if you go to Kit.com/features, this iswhat used to be ConvertKit, right? They
changed over to just Kit. SoKit.com/features is really cool.And one of
the things that I really loved on theirpage is their use of video. Now, you know,
video is not new at all. We've been usingvideo on the web for a long time.

(17:57):
However,
I feel like the video format that wetypically see on the web is quite static.
It's typically a 16 by 9 window, it's gota big play button in it, and you play the
video or you don't, right? And most of thetime, you don't. I mean, like, unless
you're going to somebody's page to seesomething,
you know, like that, like, that'stypically how videos are shown on, on web

(18:20):
pages these days is, is that, "Hey, it's avideo that we've put together for you to
view. It's a minute long," whatever. Clickthen see. Eh, maybe, maybe not. Or you
might have, like, video backgrounds whichare pretty cool. There's some novel uses
of video, uh, where, like, you scroll thepage and it advances. You know, they're
using mp4s instead of, like, a GIF orsomething like that and, sort of, because
they're more efficient, maybe they'readvancing as you scroll the page. Y- maybe

(18:42):
you've seen some of that. So tho- thoseare kind of cool but, but whatever. The
thing I really like about what Kit hasdone is instead of using that 16 by 9
format, they've done more like a squareformat. So if I was to... You know, they
have, like, a employee testimonial on thepage, so it's a stripe across the page,
and on the left-hand side, they have, um,like, a square or maybe a little bit

(19:02):
taller than wide. So maybe it'srectangular, it's a little bit taller than
-that.-Yeah, slightly.
But it's, it's where you would normallysee, like, an avatar, right? You'd see-
-Mm-hmm.-You'd, you'd think like, okay, I have a, a
testimonial on the right, I'm gonna have,like, a circle avatar or I'm gonna have,
like, some sort of, like, you know,square-ish sort of avatar there. But it's
-not, it's a video.-Yeah.
Which is really cool. And it's autoplayingbut with

(19:24):
no audio, right? And so what it does is itjust has, like, the first five, six
seconds of the video playing there foryou, sort of like what you would have if
you're on YouTube and you mouse over aShort. It starts to play that first five,
six seconds of the clip, and then itrepeats. You know what I'm saying? And
-then if you wanna watch that--It kinda makes it a GIF that bounces
... if that piques your interest, yes,then you can click on it. Um, and so what

(19:47):
it has is it has this really neat littleicon at the top, which is this black
circle that has audio and, you know, youhover over it and it says, "Click for
-sound." You click it--Mm-hmm
... and it will begin to play. And then ifyou click it again, it will pause it with
a big pause button, and if you click itagain, it'll play, right? So all these
sort of considerations that you'd make forhow do I expose the idea that this is a
playable thing to them without bi- puttinga big play button on it-

(20:09):
-Yeah-... are available. It's moving, so it's,
like, intuitive, "Oh, this is a video Ican play. Very cool." Um, and then things
that are difficult
to
do with it on mobile are also considered.So I was like, "This is a really great
pattern. I love this idea of using videoin a different format." It's, it's unique.
It's, um,

(20:29):
uh, it's, like, really tasteful. It's donereally well, and it's, it's, um, it, it
feels like the right place and the rightway to use it. However,
we tried to make something like this onour own. It's near impossible
to come up with... You know, nobody hasembeds for this stuff other than, like, a
-16...-Yeah.
You know, you're gonna use YouTube? Notworking. It's not gonna work. You're gonna
-use Vimeo? You can't do it.-Mm-hmm.
Like, so you either have to roll your own,which is a pain in the butt, because

(20:52):
using those different aspect ratios, whereare you gonna host it? Um, you know, then
you're gonna have to do your own videotag. It's a pain in the neck. And then you
have to do the, the click-to-do, you haveto do the, uh, the autoplay.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.-It's a mess.
So what I found out is that kit.com usesWistia, which I had never heard of before,
but it is a video hosting platform
where they allow you to do all thesethings. Uh, custom embed sizes, uh, this

(21:16):
au- you know, this click-to-play audiothing that's, it's a thing. They, they,
-they just already have it.-Yeah.
And then they also have, I think it'scalled, like, Tesseract or something like
that. I can't remember exactly, but it'sessentially how they deliver the video to
con- to, to, um,
to devices, right? How, how they reallyare...
-Yeah.-They're insanely, uh, obsessed with

(21:37):
efficiently delivering these experiencesto users in a very, um, low bandwidth way.
And so they've got not only their firstversion, they've got their second version
out, which was even faster. And so it'ssomething like 90% faster or something
than YouTube or Vimeo's embeds. Reallylightweight, really good stuff. And so
we've been using them. I was like, "Screwit. Switch out all of our videos that even

(21:58):
use YouTube or Vimeo for embeds and putthis in there instead." I've been so
pleased. It is really good, and theirembeds are awesome. I pay, I think it's
like 12 bucks a month we're paying.Totally worth it. And, um, just, just
super impressed. So huge shout-out tokit.com because their stuff looks great,
and, um, I'd be lying if I didn't saywe're essentially just ripping off some of

(22:22):
-those ideas in some of our--[laughs]
... [laughs] in some of our testimonialstuff. I'm like, "Why reinvent this? This
-looks so good, I'm gonna-"-Yeah.
"... I'm gonna kinda go with this." Um,but wistia.com has been really cool, so
-definitely check that out.-Nice.
Um, if you're looking for something novellike that, I just thought it was really
cool.
Hmm.
Very interesting. Yeah, it's always, uh,interesting to look at these video
delivery tools,

(22:44):
platforms, whatever it is, um, and, like,
-fairly reasonably priced in terms of...-Yeah, totally.
Um,
you know, the free plan is 200 gig ofbandwidth and,
um,
-what is it, 10, I guess, 10 files?-Mm-hmm.
Is that, that what they're saying here?So-
-Yep-... you know, if you're just getting
started with something, you're probablynot gonna serve a great deal of content,

(23:05):
and I assume that they're doing all thetranscode and things like that as well, so
-they're delivering optimized media and--Being able to leverage media.
-Yeah. So--Everything.
-That's--Yep
... that's really cool. Professionalhosting.
-It is.-No code replacement, video SEO, video
chaptering using AI. There you go. Videocreation. It's just, like, a whole heap of
different stuff. So if you're lookingfor-
-Yep-... for video stuff and you're, you're not
Aaron Francis and you don't wanna go outand build your own thing that serves video

(23:27):
-off of Cloudflare--Yeah.
-Um--Yeah
... then yeah, maybe, maybe consider this.So-
-Totally.-There's, like,
the...
Having, having worked in this space awhile ago now, you know, all of this stuff
exists now that didn't really exist backthen, which is why we built a platform to,
to do it all. There's just so muchinvolved in terms of transcode and then
videos, and then devices becomeproblematic because, you know, if you

(23:48):
think you're testing on, like, your Chromedevice but you don't have access to all
of the different Android devices, and allthe different Android and Google devices
do things differently with t-Videoplayback and autoplay. That does or
doesn't work and different, you know, bitrates and things. It's just to, to have a
platform, like, if, especially if it's notyour focus, if your focus is just
delivering video content to the internetfor people to consume.

(24:10):
Um, and, and, like, if you wanna have somecontrol over it, obviously if you don't
care too much, you'd put it on YouTube or,or whatever else and just link to YouTube
directly. But if you're wanting topresent stuff on your own website, then
yeah, something like this is, is great.Even, even like their-
-Yeah-... paid plan at $25 a month is, is pretty
reasonable. Um, and that allows you tocustomize-
-Yeah. Exactly-... the player as well. Clickable video
CTAs, which is, I, I assume is what you'redoing, so.

(24:33):
-Yeah. Yep. There's...-[clears throat]
I mean, there's really, there's a wholesuite of things you can do, and if you get
into, like, their features, they, they'vegot... I mean, even if you go to
wistia.com, they've also got really noveluses of video throughout their whole site,
obviously, right? That's what they'reselling. And so, um, if you look through
their stuff, there's some really coolthings that you can do or that, you know,
that are just, like, sort of inspirationthings. I, I think for me, what it is too

(24:56):
is it's, I, I'm hoping to get somethingthat somebody's going to, it's gonna make
-them pause on the page.-Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And
I think, you know, one of the things thatwill hook my attention... Well, currently,
right now, like, a great way to hook myattention is something that looks like a
-short, you know?-Mm-hmm.
Everybody's pushing this concept. I thinkwe were just talking, I was just
listening, I think Aaron, Aaron and Ianwere just talking about this, how, like,

(25:18):
YouTube, you know, YouTube is pushingshorts. Like, you know, when you go to
their Apple TV official app and, like,shorts are at the very top.
-Yeah.-Like, they, they've recognized, people
recognize that, whether it's TikTok,whether it's Instagram-
-Mm-hmm-... or whether it's Threads, whatever,
-right? The--Yeah, everyone wants a quick content clip
-of something-Yeah. Correct. Nobody wants a minute and a
-half video. Nobody wants a--Yeah
... minute video. They just want somethingquick. And sort of appealing to that same

(25:40):
aesthetic, giving a, like, a differentlyshaped video that's autoplaying, hooking
into that, I think is a great way to sortof utilize, um, or sort of hack the
attention of those users because that'swhat they're used to already, right?
-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.-So, um, when reading an article not too
long ago about web patterns, they werelike, "Don't reinvent the wheel." Like,

(26:02):
look at what Amazon is doing. They'vespent millions of dollars in research to
-figure out the best way to do this. Just--Mm-hmm
... borrow what they're already doing,right?
-Yeah.-And so this is the same idea. Like,
they've, people have already figured thisout. This autoplay thing really captures
-people attention--Mm-hmm
... people's attention, and they alreadyknow, they've already been trained to
click on the video if they wanna watch therest of it.
-Yeah.-Utilize it. Hack that thing, right? Grab

(26:23):
-their attention that way.-Yeah. Yeah, there, there are certain
things that, like, you look at these giantcompanies and you shouldn't do. You know,
obviously you don't need,
you don't need Amazon scale infrastructurefor your 50 view a month [laughs] blog or
-anything like that. But in terms of--Right
... this kind of stuff where they've,they've invested
tons of time and money to, to figure outwhat people are actually clicking on,

(26:45):
because what they want is for people toclick on stuff.
-Yeah.-Then, you know, those are the kinds of
things that you can leverage. I will saythat, like, I hate seeing YouTube shorts
on my TV 'cause if I'm opening my TV,like, I wanna watch something on the big
-screen. I don't wanna watch [laughs]--Yeah
-... vertical resolution short--Yeah, totally
-... on, on my TV, so.-Yeah.
But, um, yeah, it's, it's, it'sdefinitely, um, interesting. I like, I
like those little testimonial type things.I should, uh-

(27:08):
-Mm-hmm-... use that-
-Mm-hmm-... for something in the future.
Um,
maybe for Laracon.
-Maybe for Laracon, yeah. I wanna--Do you wanna talk, do you wanna talk about
Laracon real quick before I, before Ijump into-
We can talk, we can talk about otherLaracons
-... either of my other two, uh--Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-... topics? Yeah. All right.-Well, where-
-Let's just do that.-You and I-
I'm gonna grab my water bo- I'm gonnarefill my water bottle while you do that.
Water bottle. Yeah, yeah. That's fine. Soyou, you and I-
-While this thing is going.-As, as part of Laravel New- Like, last

(27:31):
year you, you did with David Hemphill,like, a bit of a,
a recap of day one. So I think you and Iwe're gonna try and do a day one, day two
recap as a, as a "official Laravel News"thing. But then I think we're also gonna
look at wandering around and doing somevox pops, which, you know, is a Latin
thing that I forget the full version ofit. It's basically going round and, and

(27:52):
catching people's opinions. And, and I'msure Eric will get that edited up 'cause I
don't wanna do it, but I'm sure [laughs]he'll do something with that where we take
all those opinions from people. We'lltalk about, you know, the highlights, the,
the, you know, the reasons that youattend a conference, et cetera, et cetera,
and put them together into some,
some content for Laravel News around theplace. So, if you see Jake and I wandering
-around with microphones at Laracon A--Yes, yes

(28:13):
... uh, La- Laracon in Denver, then, uh,you will know why. Um, and yeah, we'll
probably do some similar... Like, I justran out of time to do it at Laracon AU
last year, but I'd be keen to
do that kind of thing as well. 'Cause it'snice to have the, the testimonials and
things like that up on the website, youknow, for people that are on the fence or
are trying to sell it to their employersand things like that. Why, why would I go

(28:34):
to this thing?
Um, some, you know, some places are moredifficult than others to, to sell it into,
so,
um, yeah. We definitely, definitely wannasee what we can do with, with that kind of
-stuff as well. 'Cause--We're excited for that
... it needs to be more than just m- myface on videos, I think. [laughs]
[laughs] Right. Yeah. They said thatthey're gonna have, like, a green room at,
-um, Laracon this year sort of reserved--Mm-hmm

(28:56):
... for podcasting stuff, so I just think-
-Yeah.-That's a great idea.
-Pretty cool.-That was really cool. So should be fun
-times.-Yeah. Looking forward to it. It's, um,
it's coming up quick now. What are we?Tenth of, tenth of June, ninth of June. So
we're only, you know, what? Six or soweeks? Five, six weeks away from-
-Yeah-... me jumping on a plane for-
-Yeah-... 72 hours of travel for a 48 hour
-[laughs] stopover. [laughs]-Mm-hmm. And right now, right now-

(29:17):
I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be so tired.[laughs]
Yeah, dude. You are going to be toast. Youbetter just start getting-
-I get there--... sleep. Banking sleep right now.
-Yes. Stop, stop banking it.-For when... Yeah. Six weeks from now. Yep.
I am... Monday I leave at, like, 6:00 AM
here, fly to Sydney, then fly to Dallas toDenver. Um, so I'll, I'll get to Dallas
at... I, I leave at, I leave Sydney at10:00 and I get to Dallas at 10:30 on

(29:39):
Monday. On the same day, 'cause time zonesare lots of fun. And then I think I get
in at, like, 3:00 PM on, on Monday arvoto, to Denver, and then, uh... So I'm
traveling with Aaron. So OG Aaron will bethere with me.
-Even though you saw him?-And, uh, we'll be there for, uh...
Unfortunately, our return flight gotchanged. We were supposed to leave at,
like, 5:00 PM or something like that onThursday.

(30:00):
-Mm-hmm.-And the flight got-... brought forward to
11 AM. So instead of having a day inDenver-
-Yeah-... we're gonna have eight hours to kick
around LAX on the way back, so...[inhales]
-No good. No good.-That's a... That'll be, that'll be
interesting. But, uh, we might venture outto... There's, I think, on the strip
outside of the airport, there's like FiveGuys, Chick-fil-A, and In-N-Out Burger. I
said, "Let's just do all three of them.What's the worst that could happen?" You

(30:21):
-know?-Nice. Absolutely. Yeah.
There's a 16-hour flight ahead of us andthree different-
-Totally-... types of burger. [laughs]
[laughs]
Yeah, that'll be glorious. I, I, I wannahear about that when you get back. Maybe
-it's- maybe, like, uh,-... on India from last year, right? Like,
-just that, uh....-Ah, yeah.
We won't go into details. We won't go intodetails on that, but, but yeah. Uh, yeah,
no, dude, I'm looking forward to it. It'sgonna be a great time, and, and, um,

(30:44):
Denver's a great place. Like, there's alot of fun stuff to do there, and so, um,
really excited for that too. I, I thinkthat they're actually... I heard that they
might be doing a golf outing previous to-
Yeah, some golfing on, on Monday, yeah.
-Something like that, so...-And I'm going to my first golf lesson
-tomorrow.-Oh. You, you can-
-True story-... get into it.
We, we've, we've been... Well, so, uh, myson and I have been golfing recently.

(31:06):
-Um...-Mm-hmm.
Uh, and so I'm... It's been superenjoyable, a lot of fun. And so we've both
-kinda caught the bug again, so--[laughs]
... there's a kid that we know who's areally decent golfer, and he's, like,
offering lessons this summer. He, he wentto... He, you know, he's got a scholarship
at college to play, and so I'm like,"Heck, I mean, what's the worst that could
-happen? I'm sure he'll help me-"-Yeah.
"... do some stuff better." And so, yeah,we're going to some lessons tomorrow,

(31:26):
which should be fun, but I don't know.I'm, I might try and get in on that. The
only problem is, like, I have to, like,ship my clubs there, you know, so...
-Yeah.-May- they might have-
-I'm sure they'll have some-... rentals, though. I think they actually
-have rentals.-Yeah, they'll have rentals.
-Maybe I--Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Yeah, maybe I'lldo that. We'll see.
I'm sure it'll be fine. Yeah, no, I thinkI'll have to miss it just because s- it's
too hard. Like, this is the first timethat I have been, obviously since the kids

(31:47):
-were born. Uh, well--Yeah
... sorry, first time since New York in2019. So Eli was, like, one year old then.
So it's, it's been a while, and I, I,I'm... I've got the leave pass, but it's,
like, go and come back in as short aperiod of time as you can. So, yeah-
-For sure-... leave, leave Monday, back Saturday,
-because time zones again. So w- I missed--Mm-hmm

(32:09):
-... all of Friday, but, um--Yep.
Fortunately, fortunately, it is the weekafter Liv starts school, so I won't miss
her first week, which is, which is good.Um, she just had-
-No, that's--... her second-
-Yeah-... second transition visit today, which
she was a bit,
um, bit upset about. Like, she didn'twanna go, it was gonna be too boring, it
-was gonna be too long.-[laughs]
And then she didn't wanna leave when Rheewent to pick her up, and then she didn't
wanna go back to kindy. She's like, "Canyou pick me up at lunchtime?" We're like,

(32:32):
"No, no. You've..." You know, "We'reworking, you've gotta
go, go and do that." So she's only got afew weeks of, of, uh, kindy, kindergarten
left before she starts school, which isexciting, and,
um,
yeah, it's a bit... When you stop andthink about it, it's like, wow, it's, um,
five, just almost five years of, of herlife have already just, like, blown by.

(32:53):
-Yeah, dude, that's wild.-And it's, it's Eli's birthday today. He
turns seven, so
it's just... Time flies, really. I said tohim, walking him to school this morning,
like, "It, it feels like just yesterday wewere bringing you home from the hospital,
-and here you are-"-Yeah.
-"... like, halfway through-"-Yeah
-"... your second year of school, so."-Yep. Big kids, man. Uh, if you... Do you
know who Ben Rector is?

(33:15):
-No. No, I don't think so.-He's a, he's a, he's a musician.
-Okay.-Um, [sighs] I picked up listening to Ben
Rector, I don't know, the first time Iheard any of his songs was probably, like,
15 or 16 years ago, I think. I just sortahappened across it on MusicBed. David
-Hemphill used to work there.-Oh, yeah.
-And so--Mm-hmm
... I was pulling a song for something,and I came across one of these songs. I
was like, "Oh, this is really good. Idon't know who this is." Ben Rector? I've
never heard of him. I was like, "He's justsome indie artist or something out of

(33:37):
Nashville, I'm not sure."
And so
as time went on, I sort of listened tosome... A couple more of his things. But
-anyway, he's a dad now--Mm-hmm
... and his latest album is so... There'sso much about, like, parenthood in there,
and it's just a super good album. It'sthe, one of the best ones he's, he's had,
I've, I think. And so, um, if you'relooking for-

(33:59):
-Check it out-... something to get you to be reflective
on how quick time is passing for yourkids, definitely check out Ben Rector's
latest, latest album. It's super good.Super, super good. But yeah, I was
listening to it in my, in my car with mydaughters on my way somewhere yesterday.
-Mm-hmm.-And I, uh, I had to stop singing for a
minute 'cause I was like, "Ooh boy, thisis gonna get heavy. This is gonna get-"

(34:21):
-Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.-I was, like, thinking of my daughters
while I was in the car, that song. I waslike, "Ooh boy, all right. Uh, it's gotta
chill for a minute here." It's so good,though. So good.
-It's, it's--But very emotional. As, like, a parent,
like, listening to some of these things,it's like, okay, 'cause he's hitting, he
hits the nail on the head at a couple ofspots. Where he's-
-Yeah.-I think one of his songs are called Golden
-Days. Like, these are the golden days.-Mm-hmm.
Oh man, it's really good. So anyway, checkit out. Definitely.

(34:43):
It's, it's, it's definitely funny as aparent the kinds of things that hit you,
-that you, like, don't expect--Yes. Yeah
... to hit you. Like, we, we went and whenLiv did her first transition visit last
week, we went
and we met with, like, the principal andthe vice principal, and they talked about
the school and all of this kind of stuff.And we just said it's like a bit of a
refresher, 'cause we've been there for ayear already, but, um,

(35:04):
just talking about... 'Cause the, theschool that we're in used to be considered
a bit of, like, a, a poor school. Um, itwas, like, in a low socioeconomic area. It
didn't really get the funding. Um, theywere, like, considered average for
schools like them. You know, so, you know,within their, their group, they're like,
"Uh, you know, you're as shit as the otherschools." So

(35:27):
they didn't do anything. There was no...Like, they didn't get any extra funding or
any extra support or anything like that.And when the current principal came in,
this was back in 2011, there was like 150students in the school, and their focus
was all around compliance rather thanlearning and, and all of this kind of
stuff. And over the last
14 years, to see the turnaround where it'snow like a, a 500-person or 500-student

(35:50):
school, where they effectively get
their pick of, you know, whicheverteachers they want, they go and poach
them. They're having to turn students awaynow, because they're at capacity. They're
building new, new classrooms and newbuildings and things like that.And, um,
and- and all of it's changed
just because they're giving opportunities.And I'm sitting there, and I'm, like,

(36:11):
welling up going, "Oh." You know, it's-
it's just... Y- y- like I said, you don'tknow
-what's gonna set you off, but it's like--Yeah.
There are these complete strangers to yourchildren
that, you know, you trust that they'regoing to- to set them up
for life, to teach them, you know, how toread and write and do maths and- and all

(36:32):
of this kind of stuff. But to- to supportthem as their own? Like, I sometimes-
-Yeah, yeah.-Some days, it's hard enough, like,
supporting your own kids to the levelthat-
-Yeah.-... th- they- they need 'cause, you know,
being a parent is- is hard work. But thento have these, like, complete strangers
treat your children a- as their ownchildren is just,

(36:52):
um, really, really heartening to see thatthere are people out there in the world
that will go out of their way to- to- tolook after kids and to- t- to do the right
thing by them. So...
Yeah, it's like they adopt them for a yearalmost because-
-Yeah-... you know, in reality, they end up
spending more time with your kids than youdo.
-More time, yeah. Yeah.-I mean, truly.
-Yeah.-Like, more waking hours are spent with

(37:14):
-that teacher than are spent with you--Mm-hmm
-... as their parent.-Mm-hmm.
And so, yeah, it's crucially importantthat you have those good teachers and
-stuff, but it is.-Yeah.
That's- it's incredible. Like, we're soblessed to have people who have dedicated
their lives to helping kids and families,right?
-Yeah.-And help society really, right?
-Yeah.-Um, and so yeah. That's really cool.
I don't know how people that homeschooltheir kids can do it 'cause I- I- I

(37:34):
wouldn't know. And the- and the stuff thatthey come home with, you know, the way
that they- they learn now and the way thatthey're taught now is very different to
what it was when I was in school 30 yearsago.
-Okay. Yeah.-And, you know, Eli coming home, and he's
telling me about phonics and digraphs and,like, "Did you know Y is, like, the
sometimes vowel?" I'm like, "What are youtalking about?"
-[laughs]-Like, it was funny. Him, he... A-
-actually--Yeah

(37:55):
... as a- as a former math teacher, youmay be able to... You may know this.
He came, and, like, they're learning, uh,addition and subtraction, and they... H-
he always writes everything left to right.And I'm like, I- I don't wanna get in his
way. I don't wanna confuse him, right?However he's learning is- is what I wanna
try and support him to learn. 'Cause whenI did it, it was like, you know, addition,
-subtraction, top to bottom.-Yeah.

(38:16):
-You get the right--Yeah, right to left. Yeah, yeah.
You work right to left, you carry thenumbers-
-Yeah, exactly-... and all that kind of stuff. And
[laughs]
he says to me... Oh, he goes, "No, this ishow we do it now." There's, like, the-
the make- the make 10 strategy orsomething where you, like, get the numbers
-and--Hmm, okay
... figure it out, how to get to 10. Hegoes, "In the olden days, they used to
call it rainbow facts." And I looked atRhee, and I said, "What do you mean, the

(38:38):
olden days? Like, I don't know whatrainbow facts is. That was never anything
-I learnt. Like, this is-"-No.
So- so now we're, like, two generationsremoved from what is-
-Ah-... current teaching. It's like-
-So we--Not- not- not, like, to-
... we're the... We're, like, the oldenolden days.
We're- we're like the great-great-parentsof the- this- whatever it was that we were

(38:59):
-taught [laughs] 'cause that's--Oh, that's hilarious.
And it's not- not- not generations as in,like, my generation and my kids, but,
like, generations of learning. Thesethings seem to cycle every seven or eight
-years. So, like, they did this.-Yeah.
And that's... When I was in school, it waslike, "This is the word, this is how you
say it," and you just memorize that, andthen you move onto the next thing.
-That's right, yeah.-Whereas now, they give them the tools to,
like, break down the sounds and recognizethe patterns and all of this kind of

(39:20):
stuff, so that you can give Eli a wordthat he's never seen before, and he can
-sound out, and he breaks it down--Break it out, yeah
... into the pieces, and he knows. Like,we gave him his birthday card
this morning, and Rhee and I reach- eachwrote a message in there, and- and I- he
opens it, he goes, "Oh, that's a lot ofwords." I said, "Di- did you wanna read it
yourself, or do you want me to help youout?" He goes, "No, I can read it myself.
I can read it in my head." And justwatching him and watching his head go and,

(39:43):
like... And his little smile was when heread something that tickled him-
-Oh, that's so funny.-... and it was just like, wow, you know?
-He's a little human.-He's- he's a little human that can, like-
-He's a little person.-Yeah.
And then, like, every now and then, he,like, loses his marbles and throws
something across the room and runs offscreaming, so it's like... H- he gets all
these... And it's funny 'cause they'relike... You know, before it was like, "Ah,

(40:05):
he's having a tantrum." Now it's like,"He's having a moment of dysregulation."
-I'm like, "Okay, sure."-[laughs]
-"Whatever. Whatever it is."-Ah.
-Oh, that's true.-Okay.
-Yeah, man.-So he takes himself to his bedroom now and
-just calms himself down--There you go
... which is nice 'cause before, it usedto be just, like, flinging things across
-the family room.-Progress.
-I- I- and I--We're making progress.
There was fear for our television on anumber of occasions.

(40:27):
-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.-[laughs] Don't throw anything towards the
-TV, please. [laughs]-Yep. Yep. Well, that's- that's great,
-dude.-Mm-hmm.
And they- they just continue to getbigger. That's the crazy thing.
-Uh-huh, yeah.-You got to see- you got to see Graham
-before- before we started the show.-Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-He's- he's an adult, man. He's huge.-He looks like you, but he's huge, yeah.
He's a blond Jake.
He is. Yeah, and, I don't know, he's- he'sgot your face and so...

(40:48):
But he's got your face. He- but he's got-he's got Laura's hair.
Yeah, yeah. He's a better looking JakeBennett, so...
-[laughs]-I- he's- he's the kid I wanted to look
like when I was a kid. I always wantedblonde hair. You know what I mean?
-Mm-hmm.-To be athletic and, like, you know,
-whatever. He's- he's that person.-[laughs]
So anyway, he's a cool kid.
Well, dude, I think I've got these othertopics queued up for next time. We had
-talked about--Yeah

(41:08):
... really trying to have a little bitmore continuity between the shows, so I'll
tell you folks what we're looking at fornext time. So, a couple items. Uh,
defensive programming
and anticipating breakages. Where am Igoing to miss? So I was watching... And
because we're getting into g- golf, um, Iwas watching this clip. Tiger Woods was in
the rough, and he's trying to hit ontothe green, right? And so he's looking down

(41:31):
the fairway, and he's like, "Okay,the..." So he's like, "I know this is kind
of what I..." You know, "I know what clubI need to hit to get there."
But he's like, "Now I have to figure outwhen I'm... where I'm gonna aim." And he's
like, "Because I'm hitting out of therough, I'm not gonna be precise in where
I'm gonna hit, so I have to pick where
it's going to be least harmful when Imiss. I have to pick my miss." Like, "If I
miss on the right side, uh, there'sbunkers over there. If I miss on the left

(41:52):
side, I've got a wide open green. There'sa little bit of rough over there, but it's
gonna be a much better miss on thatside." Right?
-Mm-hmm.-So it's trying to anticipate, where in my
programming do I want to miss? Where arethe things where, like, if I'm going to
mess up, if somebody's going to use this-abuse this thing, how do I wanna sort of,
like, direct it so that the- the exceptionhas the least damage to me-

(42:12):
-Mm-hmm-... or to the- the business? So, um,
you're never gonna get perfect, and you'renever going to be able to anticipate all
of the things that are gonna happen inyour programming. It's just not.
-Yeah.-And I'll share an example next time, where
it's like, that is so freaking bizarre.How did you ever think that that was how
-the tool was supposed to be used?-Mm-hmm.
But I didn't think about, where is themiss?So what ended up happening is we
deleted a bunch of stuff that was actuallycrucial, and ending up, we're gonna end

(42:35):
up having to have two people redo a monthworth of work, literally a month worth of
work. It's brutal. It's brutal, because Idid not think about
this- this sort of, like, contingencyplan. Anyway-
-Mm-hmm-... we're gonna talk about that a little
bit next time. And then, also, um, whenyou're not using a static site generator,
you're using Laravel,
where do you store values that you want tochuck into something where you have a

(42:57):
bunch of pages that are the same,
but need small variance? So is it a YAMLfile? Is it a database that then gets
pushed down into static pages? Do you justput it into the view? Do you put it in
the controller? Do you put it in theconfig? Where do you put it? Right?
Um, do you generate DTOs that all havethem and you just store it in your code?
Where do you put it? So those are somethings we'll talk about next time, and I

(43:19):
have, uh,
-some fun- fun ideas for that. So...-Nice.
-I will also want--Cue them up for next time, friends.
Also a quick say it as well, I have justembarked upon deleting the tenancy package
-from our application.-Ooh, yes.
We have finally, we have finally moved allof the other pieces so that we don't need
multiple tenants anymore. So it's now aprocess of step one was just to remove

(43:42):
the- the package from Composer and thenwork through the tests and see what's
breaking. So it's a, it's a slow-goingthing. Um, someone will probably tell me I
can use AI for it, which I, which I won'tdo.
-There you go. Yeah.-But Duly noted. Um, yeah it's, it's, it's
going all right.
Having a better grasp of, like, paralleltesting now and multiple database
connections and just, like,

(44:03):
making life easier for myself and also,like, hopefully improving the speed of our
tests will be,
um, a good side effect of doing this. So,
yeah,
-to be continued--Rock on
-... in future episodes.-To be continued. Well, folks, Episode 178.
Is that right, Michael? Did I get itright?
Hmm, I don't know. I wrote it up here.177, I think.

(44:25):
-177.-Ooh, 177. Folks, this is Episode 177. Find
show notes for this episode atnorthmeetsouth.audio/177. Uh, if you'd
like to hit us up on Twitter or on
X or on BlueSky, hit us up at MichaelDyrynda, @jacobbennett, or at North South
Audio. And of course, if you liked theshow, we'd really appreciate it if you'd

(44:45):
rate us up in your pod catcher of choice.Five stars would be incredible, amazing,
and awesome.
Thanks for tuning in, folks. We lovehearing from you, honestly. Um, I would
love to get any feedback on any of theseitems. Wistia, if you thought Wistia was a
cool idea, you should definitely,
um, let us know. What are your opinions onliquid glass and iPhones and the new- the

(45:06):
-new designs--Yeah
... that are coming out? And then, um,
tune in next time to hear about some ofthose other cool things we'll talk about
in two weeks. We'll see you then, folks.Bye-bye.
Bye. [upbeat music plays]
Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

24/7 News: The Latest

24/7 News: The Latest

The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.

Stuff You Should Know

Stuff You Should Know

If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.