Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Tuesday the 25th of March, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
The NRL 360 panel are joined by James Hooper and Michael Carayannis to give their thoughts on the growing tension between Manly Sea Eagles and Daly Cherry-Evans and where he will land in 2026.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm going to an owl three sixty regul league from
every angle joining me in the Great Gordon tell us
it's been the general Australian James Hooper and Michael carry
on us and what a huge week it has been.
And guess what to talk about DC again? But what
about the reaction? You guys have watched it from more
close close, But I was gonna say from afar, but
you can't avoid this situation.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Have you seen it? Hoops? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Huge week.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I think it's opened up a lot of old wounds
at the Manly Seagulls because we always seem to see
with contracts and DCE that he has got a history
of generating a lot of headlines. So I know amongst
a lot of the ex players there's been a lot
of talking behind the scenes and it's polarized a lot
of people.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
There's plenty of intrigue around it, obviously, how it played
out and the reasons for DCE leaving it and what
his future may be next. It has asked a lot
of questions in and around the Manly Club and the
game as a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You any clearly we've been here for days now.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
That suit breathe I love it.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
The brown no brown.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Look, you don't know where it's that Manly dce, but
you know he's not going to do this if he
doesn't have a club to go to.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
So that's where he's going to land. But why did
it happen?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I suppose Who's what we've heard today or what you've
heard is he actually asked for a release maybe once
even twice last year or was it just the one time?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And we'll talk us through that.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
It feels as though this story has been brewing for
a long time. So Dalley definitely went to the Manly
Seagulls in the off season of twenty twenty four and
actually asked for a release then, so it was a
tick over twelve months ago. I believe he unasked put
that request forward once, but certainly rival clubs are aware
of it, and now that this is all blown up
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the way that it has, it's become a discussion point.
Mainly as far as I'm aware, have obviously kiboshed that
and rejected it because he played there all of last season.
But it does feels now that we know that, it
feels as though this hasn't been a snap decision or
this hasn't been a decision that he's only been sitting
on for three or four months.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So what has just been ongoing?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
What is a guy that had a ten year deal
pretty much their captain want that?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What went so wrong?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I think Gordon, when you peel it all back and
cut through all the BS, I actually think it's all
about money.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And I don't have a beef with that.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I don't begrudge players earning as much as they possibly
can in the short career window that they have. But
if you really want to cut through all the red
tape and all the BS that's been spun and flippered
and gone over this week, I think the reality is
that Mainly could only afford to offer DC around seven
hundred thousand dollars a season on the open market. You
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look at Dylan Brown, he's getting one point three. I
think that's turned his head. And I think even prior
to that, I think he's gone, you know what, I
can go somewhere else A lot.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I think it goes both ways a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
They've low board, if if at all, I think mainly
were unsure even if they wanted to resign him so
and he's felt disrespected.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
In my opinion.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
You think seven fifty is a low board breath like
seven fifty seven hundred. They did not from contract, but
this week they did. This week they did. His decision
was already made, it was made right. But my point,
I'm not a low board. They haven't actually offered him anything.
They have an off himunity, yeah, but they haven't lowboard,
and they haven't come and said he's a five hundred
thousand dollars contract.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But what I'm saying is that the fact they didn't
offer him anything, and talking about DC and his character
and his standards and the way that he is as
a human being, he's felt disrespected. So he's just made
that call really early. And whether he's asked for a
release because of that really thought. You know what, these
guys don't really value me, they don't want me. They're
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not even putting an offer forward to me, so why
not go somewhere else?
Speaker 8 (03:50):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
What the thing that mainly should have done differently is
put a formal offer on the table when they thought
they had that opportunity, not this week. Should have been
done a month or two ago, only for twelve months,
just to put the ball back in Daily's favor and
see what he wanted to do and come back to
him with a formal answer. The fact they didn't give
him a formal offer until this week, I can't understand
why he's been agreeable.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
They were waiting to see if any other clubs had
put a formal offer to him. With all due respect,
I think Daily has just thought, well, I'm the haven't
told them. They probably have had formal offers. They just
haven't gone back to mainly because his decision was already made.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well clearly though, if he has gone to the club
a tick over twelve months ago and asked for that release,
stand you don't ask for a release unless you've got
somewhere else to go, So at that point in time,
there has still been another club who was going to
be at the table with a significant amount of money.
I think Daly's a sharp character, right. He's been around
the game fifteen seasons. He understands the business side of it,
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and he understands his own market value. I think he's
looked at what other players in key positions are earning,
and I think he thought, you know what, everything I'll
put into this game.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
As much as he is manly, I think he feels as.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did manly really did they really want him? Though?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Because the feeling is long, the longer the drags out.
You know, we were quite focused on DC when it
first broke because we were shocked, but we didn't know
the background. Now we know the background, it feels to
me like mainly didn't really show any urgency and did
they really.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Want him and how much did they value I don't
think they're doing Kyle Wills that is out the door break,
I think.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
I don't think that happened. I don't think they happen. No, No,
I don't think they're happy that he's going. I think.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, I think, as I said before, I think if
they had their time over again, they would have put
a formal offer to him.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But to me, they're not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If they're not worried, then if they had their time again,
would they put a manly thought manly thought.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I'm not Let's be clear. I'm not saying they're happy
that he's leaving. They're unhappy about it. They would love
to keep him for twelve more months and assess it
year by year.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So why didn't they do it?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Because I think what they were led to believe over
the course of December that in all likelihood Daily was
either going to retire or he was going to go overseas.
Now they were conveniently so they have conveniently believed that
because maybe they were beginning to plan for life after Daily.
But I think once he started the season in such
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red hot form, and I mean he's a captain of
the club, he's the most cat player in the history
of the Seagulls, I'm still stunned that he's not going
to be there. But I think they realized the magnitude
of it, and clearly they knew that they needed to
get a formal offer on the time.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
But surely if he asked for a release and then
he said and like, you haven't gone to him from December,
there's got to be something wrong and there's no pipeline.
So there's what seven hundred thousand to go replace Daly
Cherry Evans?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Is that the money they got there? So there's no
planning then, well, no.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Forward planned in the They've got a couple of good
young kids that they.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Think are going to be long term first graders, but
I don't think they're going to be ready next year.
That's the that's the issue that mainly faced now do
they move Tom Travoivage, do they look to the open
markets on Adam Reynolds to.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Potentially That's when the talk is that they could potentially
move Loue.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's a big change for time and no one's really
spoken about it in detail. But you know, from fullback
to defending at three, which is what you do in
the halves and having to make decisions and release quickly
and look at you cover your in So I try
to work with defenders either side of if it's not
something you just do over an open.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Game, you know, kicking game.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
He'd be great for a kick chase, he'd be great
runner of the balls are half. But it's a huge
transition and he's not like Blockier in months, so he's
a different player. You know, he's a very different player
and he's very energy, but he's probably different the g
he's probably more similar to very injury prone to.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Organize, organize a lot of the attack instructure at mainly
at the moment. Apparently he's got a real voice in
there in terms of their game on the field. I
know Dale is obviously the premier playmaker, but he has
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Same don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think he will be a very very good half
like he's Tom Jaboye, which you could put him anywhere,
and I think you'll do a great job there.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But it's not going to be that easy now DC.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
He's been paid huge cash over fifteen years hoops And
is there only a resentment from former teammate to all?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I think there's resentment definitely from X Manly players who've
bled for that jumper and won premierships with that jumper. Well,
because if you go back the twenty sixteen when DC
did the backflip on the Gold Coast Titans, there are
a lot of players like that Manly roster, and they
won a couple of comps, said one one in two
thousand and eight, they had won one in twenty eleven.
Ultimately that ended up getting torn apart, and at the
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central to it, a lot of it was Daily and
the fact that his agents at the time were constantly
agitating four more money. So I think that certainly amongst
some of the retired champions, I don't think they've got
too much of a high opinion of where Daily sits.
I know that a lot of people in the game
do have plenty of respect for him, and I also
think amongst the dressing room.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Right now, surely there are cracks.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
In that dressing room right now, because well, the players
that have bled for that jumper.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm just asking the question left for that jumper too.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
New Blokes played new Blake's played right, So someone who's
been at your club.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Wasn't going to play against me. He was going to
rugby and he said that we were going to stay together.
Of course, it hurts like.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
When you lose someone that's a close mate.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And so would you feel if Alfie or Kevy did
that when you're at the Broncos, how would you feel?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I think you'd be let down because that's the only
reason I went to play for Brisbane. And there'd be
a lot of guys that have stayed because of DC
and they you know what it is, a captain of
the club and all that, because like that's who you
look too.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Really, what about you bring forth?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
There's still twenty five games to go for the rest
of this season.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
How would you feel?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I think a lot of it depends on situations, Like
you know, if a player, if a group wants to
stay together and and win a premiership, a lot of
players will take certain pay cuts or you know, I
don't know what's going on there, but a lot of
players will get together and go, okay, we want to
we want to work together here to win a comp.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And that's exactly what happened back in the day.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So I can understand that because it kind of happened.
We meet the bulldogs, you know, a lot of us
till pay cuts, and then in the end a couple
of guys left, and then you know, we he had
players taking pay cuts and a few blokes who were
who'd kind of left, well was one of them, you know,
and then the guys ended up believing. So then you
look back and go, well, hang on, you know, it's
kind of you know, well, I could have still been
at the club. And also, you know, a few guys
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probably got moved on as well to keep these two
big signings, you know who left early.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm not going to know.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Names because it's a bit disrespectful, but it does happen,
right and I left, So I don't know if it
caused any unrest or not, but I mean it could.
It does have the possibility to do that. I just
think that you know that they do respect him. I
know that DC had has spoken because a lot of
people a little bit. He had spoken to the Tchapoevic
brothers before he announced it on TV, like the senior players,
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to tell them that he was going to tell publicly
say that he wasn't going to be there next year.
So you know there's an element of respect there that
he's given them the heads up before the decision was made.
I can't speak for him all the team because I
don't know where they're at inside.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
You can't fight the Drouvich boys. I think bulldogs.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I don't know how long ago they offered pretty much
both of them the farm, so they wouldn't back more
money to stay, so like they would feel that way.
And if you look at the bloke here Cooper Kronk
and Cameron Smith, like when they left, like there was
a split in the Melbourne film, that's the most recent
big guy big player and the big three to leave
a club like it does happen.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
One thing that kind of hasn't been spoken of me.
It could part of this.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Shit fight be driven by warring managers Joe Weeby and
Isaac Moses. Now, can you just explain the background between
these two agents who they look after and what's kind
of happened here.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, it's a fascinating story and subplot.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So these two used to be thick as thieves. They
are essentially business partners. Isaac's obviously extremely well known in
the game.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Joe Weebe is often referred to.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
As the football whisperer or the halves whisperer, and he
infiltrated the game. I think it was back with the
Broncos actually, when Wayne was still up there. They had
a spectacular bust up and finished up in the Supreme Court.
That was settled out of court because there was a
risk that a lot of big name players, Cameron Smith,
James Tedesco, all of their contracts could have all of
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a sudden been brought up in this court case. So
Isaac actually paid Joe to settle it. They split. Joe
now looks after Daily, right, so he manages the affairs
of Daily, whereas Isaac has Anthony Sebold and a hell
of a lot of other players on the left.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Isaac to go with Web as well, correct, and Web
has Robson at the Roosters. Yeah, and is it fair
to say that these two don't have a good relationship
at all?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
After that?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I wouldn't I think they're off completely. I wouldn't think
they're speaking.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, because you know, I spoke to a couple of
player agents after the show last night, and a few
of them believe that there's a lot more to this,
you know, this could you know. I hear what they're saying,
and I respect what they're saying, and it could possibly
have an impact on it. But I also think DC
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is a great and he's smart enough to not let
an agent where he goes.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I know, but.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Subconsciously I look at this too goody body. Subconsciously, if
you've got an agent who is pushing you in one
direction and he's telling you that you know the club's
done wrong by you, there's a better opportunity else where.
Yadadada can enter your mind when you wanted to, It
can influence you. So I believe, I believe this is
some sort of influence there. And this is this is
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not just two agents not getting along. This is the
Supreme Court, right And this is an agent who's got
the head coach Sea Bowl at Many and then key
players at the Roosters and rumors of him going there.
So there is a connection, and there's a bit of
a rivalry.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That that's behind the scenes here.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, Look, they don't get along. I'd think it would
be a lifetime feud. And look, you'd like to think
Daily is old enough and ugly enough, and he's burned
around the lock enough. I don't think that he would
let that influenced his decision, but I do, But I
do believe that when you join all those dots, it
does begin to and peel back the layers.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It does begin to explain.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Why there may have been some ill feeling and why
they've ended up going in different directions.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And Daily is now going to walk out.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
There, and also I think strengthens that link to the
russ Yes, when you peel it all back, yep, all right,
the two most powerful negotiators, they're trying to get him.
They hate losing, and these two could end up going
toe to toe the art of the deal. If you
talk about negotiations and you talk about getting deals done,
there are no better than these two heavyweights of our game.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Feel Good and Nick Politis.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Isn't it amazing that here we are now both searching
for a number seven, both in a position of power,
and both the best negotiators Our game is probably ever
seen or close to it, and could well be going
head to head here to get the signature of DC and.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
They're finally back on after a long I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So sure about that me.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I don't know if i'd say, because they.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
Hadn't spoken for years and then cross pass and.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They had a big fall now, so I don't know
where they're at the moment, so that that adds some
intrigue to it as well. I think they have crossed.
Pasm in Vegas said the Nines. They's a bit more
civil than I'm not so sure. It was high fives
and you know, let's go.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They hadn't spoken since the Latrell Mitchell Joey Marnho fall
out between the Russes in the South.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I look at some of these names.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So in terms of Nick and the signatures that he's
secured over the years. Freddie Fitler all the way back
in ninety six. Gus also came with him at the time.
Sunny Bill Williams back from rugby union. That was a
huge deal because he'd been banned from the NRL for
a long period of time after the way he walked
out on the game. James Tedesco from the West Tigers
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and of course the Cooper Kronk coup that led the
two premierships over to the Bulldogs and Canterbury Banks Down
and August at Penrith as well. Freddie Fittler, Matt Burton,
Villi Army kick Our. Cameron Serraldo is a big one
what he's achieved.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He was the most short how many clubs were chasing
him at the time, all.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Of them know, every club that was looking for a
coach wanted him because he was the hottest young gun
coach on the market. And Stephen Crichton is a big
one too.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
They very rarely missed these two.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
And the reason we bring this up is not because
that DC's definitely going on either of these two clubs,
but they are the two favorites right now and they've
got the two of the most powerful figures in our
game and best negotiators. That could end up in a
bit of a slinging match. So get the popcorn out.
This could be exciting.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, you're talking about the art of the deal, Braith,
these two and what they've been able to do for
their respective clubs over the years. They are the best
negotiators in rugby league, second to none. Both of them
out there fight tooth and nail through the Super League War.
So they have so many years of experience. They've negotiated
with everybody from James Packard, Alan Jones, you name it,
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across the years. This will be a fascinating battle because
when it comes to closing a deal, there's a view
that Gus and Nick there's not a.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Lot between them.
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I've actually previously heard Nick say, you think Gus is
the best closer?
Speaker 6 (17:14):
He said off the top of the shower. Comes down
to money. So who's got more money to spend?
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I think the question would have more than the Boardogs
at the moment.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think the Roosters would with all the players that
they've lost. They've signed Reese Robson for next year, but
the Dogs have already signed Leo Thompson on a tight
salary cap, so they wouldn't have as much wiggle room
as the Rooster.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So when it comes down to who do you think
is going to win a camp? Does DC really want
to win another comp? It's got to be part of.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
His Yeah, he's a professional. Of course he's going to
want to.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Win and he probably wants to stay in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
There is a talk of Queensland and no one's Bonny
Mean's ruling that out. But DC very happy in the
Northern Beaches. He's got I think three daughters. Is it
that they will go to school in the northern Beaches.
He's I think his partners from Sydney, I believe. I'm
not sure on that one, but I know they're very settled.
So the whole fascination around Queensland maybe ten years.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Ago up there.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
To guys, it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
School in Queensland. Yes, I didn't go off a lot
of girls.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That was a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
If you speak to people north of the border, right,
they're all very bullish.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Absolutely, he's going to the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So they believe they're more for the border.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
The majority of view is that absolutely, they say will.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Beat the Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Because his old man played at the club, he was
a junior at Redcliffe.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
There is family history there there.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It comes back to your question you asked Gordy around
does he want to win a premiership? Because if he does,
you're going to the Roosters or the Bulldogs well ahead
of the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And what's in their favor as opposed to the Dolphins
is that premiership we gave but also there's still got.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
A lot of money.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
But why we've rutten off mainly if you look at
the droid, which is if you look at how young
and fast they are, they've got enough talent.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
No, I'm not writing mainly off.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, without.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
The comition, I disagree.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Look, it's a possibility, it was a possibility prior to this.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I actually think this now right.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I understand the reasoning behind why Daily has done what
he's done, but I think it causes to the point
that your Blake's alluded to earlier, I do think it
can cause irrefutable damage inside the.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Dress because of what you're putting the line through them
there going.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I don't think they can win the com off the
back of It's going.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
To cause them more grief, is tanelor forcas see the
ending injury because their weakness is their strength in the middle,
and he was one of the pillows.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
With all due respect, yes that's going to hurt, but
not as much as the captain and the Blake has
played more games than any jumper. It doesn't matter the
fact that he's walking out the door. What message is
that sending to the rest of the group. It doesn't
want to be with.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Him this season.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
You're not going to see him turn his up. Believe
he's going to start. He'll pay the champion that he is,
and I think will be fine.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They're still going to prove themselves that they can play
like they do at four pointswhere. They've got to beat
the top teams away from four points as well that
they are very good.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
If they run hot, I think they could win the comp.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
At the right time, at the right time.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
We're talking of signings with DC leaving will mainly look
to extend Turbo and Jake's deals. Is Jake said to
take a bit of a haircut?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Maybe, well, this is going to be the next big
story out of the Northern Beaches break is both Tom
and Jake are off at the end of twenty six,
so come November one, they are open to offers from
rival clubs. Will Jake take a haircut? Look at his
age and given everything that he's already done for that club,
I'm sure that they want to pay him the utmost respect,
but you would think sanity would suggest that given where
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he's at, he's.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Going to have to take a more.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He's definitely taking He's taking a pat then has what's
he worth now?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
So manly, I don't know he'd be worth the sixers.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Okay, Yeah, there's a lot of the clubs that might
pay him a bit more.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
For one year at the back end of his career.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, you couldn't see Jake leaving.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
That's the problem.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know how much that jumper in that club means
to him. I couldn't see Jake he take ahead, he would,
he would absolutely, it's a big haircut.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But what sort of haircut? The ones like you two?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
One too? Straight down?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
All right?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Wayne Benett has hit out at the inn Roll claiming
the contract the contract bombshells have overshadowed the game in
the opening rounds.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Take a look.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
No, I just enjoyed the entertainment that's provide for everybody
else in the game. The critic the sillinger of us
as a game were allowed that to happen. It does
nothing for the game. There's nothing for the club. Yeah,
it's it's wrong and I wish we'd fix it. Absolutely, absolutely,
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absolutely we hit the self destruct. But we're four weeks
in a football season which has already provided some great
football the whole focus is on, you know, what a
couple of players have done, so clubs have done whatever,
whatever the case. I'm not putting blame on either part,
but it just shouldn't happen. Shouldn't shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The master coach there is, Wayne Bennett, believes we shouldn't
be in this position right now.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It shouldn't happen. He's got a fair point.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I mean, is that for the coaches as well the
last year.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, we'll dive into this now, but he makes
a fair point. All the attention this week and you know,
and for the next few weeks is going to be
on DCU, and it's going to take away from the spectacle,
which is our amazing game, which for the first three
rounds has been spectacular. So it's a fair point. How
do you guys see it?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
It is a fair point.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
As you said, we've hit the self destruct button and
fans don't like it.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Fundamentally.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Fans don't like it when you know their player is
signing elsewhere or moving on elsewhere and they've got to
watch him for twelve months. As a from a journalistic
point of view, I love November one, right, because we
get to talk about it and speculate and go through
it all season. But I can understand why fans aren't
happy with it. Will a trade window work on?
Speaker 8 (23:21):
I don't know. We had to drine thirty before and
that was a joke.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You know, we all know that was a myth and
July one, all these players were signing left, right, and center.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
So what a trade window work? I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, we've seen Dylan Brown Bird at Combat Stadium. Will
be interesting to see what sort of reception daily Jerry
Evans gets at four points Sunday. But there's no question
if you look at the overseas sports they do run
it a lot smoother with the way that they roll
with trade windows, whether it's the NFL, NBA, other codes here.
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I can understand where Wayne's coming from. But I'm bugging
if I know what the solution is because every time
that we raise it, do you end up getting all
these different arguments from various vested interests in the game,
and no one ever seems to have the perfect solution.
They've tried a draft previously that was challenged in court
and failed, So how do you fix it?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
It all depends what hat you got on. As a fan,
I don't like it. As a player, I knew where
I was going and I didn't have the options that
players are having these days. But as a player, now,
do you need to know where you're going to get
your kids in school and all that kind of.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Stucket As a TV host, no, I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I don't like coming in here at work and taking
away from the game. It doesn't change my life talking
about where players are going to play. But as a fan,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm with Gordy and I think because you know, this
is one instance, probably as an ex player, where you
feel it a bit more because you know, we are
all about the fans. He shows all about the fans.
That's why we do it. The broadcast of Fox Leagues
all about the fans. We wanted to be the best spectacle.
We want everyone to watch you when everyone to enjoy
it and have a great time and celebrate the game
and the players. But you also got to look from
a players perspective, and you know you look at that's
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the point. Yeah, you look at even Dylan Brown for example,
which no one's going to feel sorry for him, but
like he signs a thirty million dollar deal. If there's
no trade window and he gets injured this year playing
for Parrel, he may be a bad example.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But just to give you an.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Example, you know that thirty dollars thirty million, million dollar deal.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Is not there.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
He may be on four or five hundred for three years.
It's a big significant difference. There's a lot of players
that if they secure their future, they've got kids, they've
got wives, they've got houses and mortgages. Not everyone's on
one point five million dollars. By the way, there's players
on three hundred two fifty four fifty take tax.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Away from that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
They're trying to you know, set their family up or
at least be able to own a home by the
time they're finished. There's no security whatsoever, and a career
only lasts, you know, on average, two to three or
four years for a first go Wleague player. You know,
so to not know where you're going to go, and
to get to just a two week or three week
or four week window when you could be going it
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with an ACL done at the back end of the
season and you've got no money on the table, you know,
there's there's a high risk for players, and there's a
high risk e each time they step on that field,
unfortunately for the fans and everyone who doesn't like it.
They've got to protect the players in some way. You know,
there's got to be some advantage there to the player.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
But what do you Your point is, Brath, are you
saying you're okay with this current system?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Listen, it's not ideal, But I don't think the trade
window is the answer. I don't you know, I don't
know what the answer is, but I think a trade
window there would put a lot of players at risk,
you know, of not securing their future, knowing where their
future lies.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You touched on how much everybody at Fox League loves
the game and loves the fact that it is all
about the fans. We had Peter Landi's come on this
program and make that very point. If you look at
the numbers in recent times, the television ratings off the charts, right,
and the reason is because the fans are riding the
wave of every week towards every game, all the nuances,
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all the drama, all the for everything. This is my
point this week, I think, right. I've often heard Maddie
John say that Aby League is theater for blokes and
this is all part of the intrigue. Now, whether it's
right or wrong, and whether it's the best possible system,
I'm not sure, but I know that on building sites
and at pubs and clubs all around Australia.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
For year Blue White Rouver like there was optimism with
it right and then Penetha disappointed. So I get all that.
I get like there's a set of fans, but maybe
it's just all the clauses so every year and it
can drag out, like the bloke's coming off contract next
year and we're talking about like maybe maybe it's.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
The length that we talk about.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Maybe maybe I mean instead of saying whether it's six
months or four, I don't know how big the window is.
So there's a long time to get the deal in.
But we're talking about a bloke that can't move till two.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You it's worth a definite discussion if hopefully we can
find a solution with everyone's happy. But to be honest,
I don't think that's ever going to be the case.
So yeah, it's a tricky one. Now, Well, the Knights
make a play for Brown to move early. We know,
we spoke about it with Jimmy Graham suggesting it. We
had HEINDI saying last night, but he thinks should he
should go early, but he's it a releasting chance of
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actually happening.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Not yet great, but I think before June thirty it
could play out because you look at the Paramatta situation
at the moment. Obviously Dylan Brown's on big money, is
not performing there. They're hampered a little bit because of
Mitch Moses' injury. So I think once Mitch Moses comes
back and get a gauge on to see how they're performing,
it could happen. On the flip side, you've got the
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Newcastle Knights too, you know, think they'll be in finals contention,
and they're optimistic the fact that Dylan's not playing well.
They believe that you get him to that club and
you've got Kaylon Ponger and a few others in there,
that he would lift his game.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But Newcastle would have to to be able to make for.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Sure, for sure, they have to make it relevant.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Have we heard anything from Paramatta whether new.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Car I think they're having conversations.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, Look, obviously to the next point they want. They
obviously had Mitchell Moses back, right, that's first things first.
But I think once Mitch is back and if he's
going to be okay and be able to remain on
the field. And I think they look at it because
it hasn't really been working so far this season, and.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I would save them a fair bit in salary cap
money that they can play around with it and into
next season.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
What's this space, Jenna? Is your key player? Matchup? Sport
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Speaker 4 (29:13):
Battle of Brisbane Friday Night, The Fullbacks, The Hammer and
Ruce Lightning.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Cannot wait.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
That'll be an epic game because the Dolphins obviously need
to get off the duck.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Ye Hoops has gone to the fullbacks. I've gone the props.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Throw on mate James Fisher Harris to round out the
round with a blockbuster at Cameltown Beauty.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Well, do I need to
I'm going to an owl three sixty regul league from
every angle joining me in the Great Gordon tell us
it's been the general Australian James Hooper and Michael carry
on us and what a huge week it has been.
And guess what to talk about DC again? But what
about the reaction? You guys have watched it from more
close close, But I was gonna say from afar, but
you can't avoid this situation.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Have you seen it? Hoops? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Huge week.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I think it's opened up a lot of old wounds
at the Manly Seagulls because we always seem to see
with contracts and DCE that he has got a history
of generating a lot of headlines. So I know amongst
a lot of the ex players there's been a lot
of talking behind the scenes and it's polarized a lot
of people.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
There's plenty of intrigue around it, obviously, how it played
out and the reasons for DCE leaving it and what
his future may be next. It has asked a lot
of questions in and around the Manly Club and the
game as a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You any clearly we've been here for days now.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
That suit breathe I love it.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
The brown no brown.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Look, you don't know where it's that Manly dce, but
you know he's not going to do this if he
doesn't have a club to go to.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
So that's where he's going to land. But why did
it happen?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I suppose Who's what we've heard today or what you've
heard is he actually asked for a release maybe once
even twice last year or was it just the one time?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And we'll talk us through that.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
It feels as though this story has been brewing for
a long time. So Dalley definitely went to the Manly
Seagulls in the off season of twenty twenty four and
actually asked for a release then, so it was a
tick over twelve months ago. I believe he unasked put
that request forward once, but certainly rival clubs are aware
of it, and now that this is all blown up
(01:55):
the way that it has, it's become a discussion point.
Mainly as far as I'm aware, have obviously kiboshed that
and rejected it because he played there all of last season.
But it does feels now that we know that, it
feels as though this hasn't been a snap decision or
this hasn't been a decision that he's only been sitting
on for three or four months.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So what has just been ongoing?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
What is a guy that had a ten year deal
pretty much their captain want that?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What went so wrong?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I think Gordon, when you peel it all back and
cut through all the BS, I actually think it's all
about money.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And I don't have a beef with that.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I don't begrudge players earning as much as they possibly
can in the short career window that they have. But
if you really want to cut through all the red
tape and all the BS that's been spun and flippered
and gone over this week, I think the reality is
that Mainly could only afford to offer DC around seven
hundred thousand dollars a season on the open market. You
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look at Dylan Brown, he's getting one point three. I
think that's turned his head. And I think even prior
to that, I think he's gone, you know what, I
can go somewhere else A lot.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I think it goes both ways a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
They've low board, if if at all, I think mainly
were unsure even if they wanted to resign him so
and he's felt disrespected.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
In my opinion.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
You think seven fifty is a low board breath like
seven fifty seven hundred. They did not from contract, but
this week they did. This week they did. His decision
was already made, it was made right. But my point,
I'm not a low board. They haven't actually offered him anything.
They have an off himunity, yeah, but they haven't lowboard,
and they haven't come and said he's a five hundred
thousand dollars contract.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
But what I'm saying is that the fact they didn't
offer him anything, and talking about DC and his character
and his standards and the way that he is as
a human being, he's felt disrespected. So he's just made
that call really early. And whether he's asked for a
release because of that really thought. You know what, these
guys don't really value me, they don't want me. They're
(03:46):
not even putting an offer forward to me, so why
not go somewhere else?
Speaker 8 (03:50):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
What the thing that mainly should have done differently is
put a formal offer on the table when they thought
they had that opportunity, not this week. Should have been
done a month or two ago, only for twelve months,
just to put the ball back in Daily's favor and
see what he wanted to do and come back to
him with a formal answer. The fact they didn't give
him a formal offer until this week, I can't understand
why he's been agreeable.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
They were waiting to see if any other clubs had
put a formal offer to him. With all due respect,
I think Daily has just thought, well, I'm the haven't
told them. They probably have had formal offers. They just
haven't gone back to mainly because his decision was already made.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well clearly though, if he has gone to the club
a tick over twelve months ago and asked for that release,
stand you don't ask for a release unless you've got
somewhere else to go, So at that point in time,
there has still been another club who was going to
be at the table with a significant amount of money.
I think Daly's a sharp character, right. He's been around
the game fifteen seasons. He understands the business side of it,
(04:46):
and he understands his own market value. I think he's
looked at what other players in key positions are earning,
and I think he thought, you know what, everything I'll
put into this game.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
As much as he is manly, I think he feels as.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did manly really did they really want him? Though?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Because the feeling is long, the longer the drags out.
You know, we were quite focused on DC when it
first broke because we were shocked, but we didn't know
the background. Now we know the background, it feels to
me like mainly didn't really show any urgency and did
they really.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Want him and how much did they value I don't
think they're doing Kyle Wills that is out the door break,
I think.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
I don't think that happened. I don't think they happen. No, No,
I don't think they're happy that he's going. I think.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, I think, as I said before, I think if
they had their time over again, they would have put
a formal offer to him.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But to me, they're not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If they're not worried, then if they had their time again,
would they put a manly thought manly thought.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I'm not Let's be clear. I'm not saying they're happy
that he's leaving. They're unhappy about it. They would love
to keep him for twelve more months and assess it
year by year.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So why didn't they do it?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Because I think what they were led to believe over
the course of December that in all likelihood Daily was
either going to retire or he was going to go overseas.
Now they were conveniently so they have conveniently believed that
because maybe they were beginning to plan for life after Daily.
But I think once he started the season in such
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red hot form, and I mean he's a captain of
the club, he's the most cat player in the history
of the Seagulls, I'm still stunned that he's not going
to be there. But I think they realized the magnitude
of it, and clearly they knew that they needed to
get a formal offer on the time.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
But surely if he asked for a release and then
he said and like, you haven't gone to him from December,
there's got to be something wrong and there's no pipeline.
So there's what seven hundred thousand to go replace Daly
Cherry Evans?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Is that the money they got there? So there's no
planning then, well, no.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Forward planned in the They've got a couple of good
young kids that they.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Think are going to be long term first graders, but
I don't think they're going to be ready next year.
That's the that's the issue that mainly faced now do
they move Tom Travoivage, do they look to the open
markets on Adam Reynolds to.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Potentially That's when the talk is that they could potentially
move Loue.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's a big change for time and no one's really
spoken about it in detail. But you know, from fullback
to defending at three, which is what you do in
the halves and having to make decisions and release quickly
and look at you cover your in So I try
to work with defenders either side of if it's not
something you just do over an open.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Game, you know, kicking game.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
He'd be great for a kick chase, he'd be great
runner of the balls are half. But it's a huge
transition and he's not like Blockier in months, so he's
a different player. You know, he's a very different player
and he's very energy, but he's probably different the g
he's probably more similar to very injury prone to.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Organize, organize a lot of the attack instructure at mainly
at the moment. Apparently he's got a real voice in
there in terms of their game on the field. I
know Dale is obviously the premier playmaker, but he has
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Same don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think he will be a very very good half
like he's Tom Jaboye, which you could put him anywhere,
and I think you'll do a great job there.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But it's not going to be that easy now DC.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
He's been paid huge cash over fifteen years hoops And
is there only a resentment from former teammate to all?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I think there's resentment definitely from X Manly players who've
bled for that jumper and won premierships with that jumper. Well,
because if you go back the twenty sixteen when DC
did the backflip on the Gold Coast Titans, there are
a lot of players like that Manly roster, and they
won a couple of comps, said one one in two
thousand and eight, they had won one in twenty eleven.
Ultimately that ended up getting torn apart, and at the
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central to it, a lot of it was Daily and
the fact that his agents at the time were constantly
agitating four more money. So I think that certainly amongst
some of the retired champions, I don't think they've got
too much of a high opinion of where Daily sits.
I know that a lot of people in the game
do have plenty of respect for him, and I also
think amongst the dressing room.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Right now, surely there are cracks.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
In that dressing room right now, because well, the players
that have bled for that jumper.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm just asking the question left for that jumper too.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
New Blokes played new Blake's played right, So someone who's
been at your club.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Wasn't going to play against me. He was going to
rugby and he said that we were going to stay together.
Of course, it hurts like.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
When you lose someone that's a close mate.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And so would you feel if Alfie or Kevy did
that when you're at the Broncos, how would you feel?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I think you'd be let down because that's the only
reason I went to play for Brisbane. And there'd be
a lot of guys that have stayed because of DC
and they you know what it is, a captain of
the club and all that, because like that's who you
look too.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Really, what about you bring forth?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
There's still twenty five games to go for the rest
of this season.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
How would you feel?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I think a lot of it depends on situations, Like
you know, if a player, if a group wants to
stay together and and win a premiership, a lot of
players will take certain pay cuts or you know, I
don't know what's going on there, but a lot of
players will get together and go, okay, we want to
we want to work together here to win a comp.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And that's exactly what happened back in the day.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So I can understand that because it kind of happened.
We meet the bulldogs, you know, a lot of us
till pay cuts, and then in the end a couple
of guys left, and then you know, we he had
players taking pay cuts and a few blokes who were
who'd kind of left, well was one of them, you know,
and then the guys ended up believing. So then you
look back and go, well, hang on, you know, it's
kind of you know, well, I could have still been
at the club. And also, you know, a few guys
(10:14):
probably got moved on as well to keep these two
big signings, you know who left early.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm not going to know.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Names because it's a bit disrespectful, but it does happen,
right and I left, So I don't know if it
caused any unrest or not, but I mean it could.
It does have the possibility to do that. I just
think that you know that they do respect him. I
know that DC had has spoken because a lot of
people a little bit. He had spoken to the Tchapoevic
brothers before he announced it on TV, like the senior players,
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to tell them that he was going to tell publicly
say that he wasn't going to be there next year.
So you know there's an element of respect there that
he's given them the heads up before the decision was made.
I can't speak for him all the team because I
don't know where they're at inside.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
You can't fight the Drouvich boys. I think bulldogs.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I don't know how long ago they offered pretty much
both of them the farm, so they wouldn't back more
money to stay, so like they would feel that way.
And if you look at the bloke here Cooper Kronk
and Cameron Smith, like when they left, like there was
a split in the Melbourne film, that's the most recent
big guy big player and the big three to leave
a club like it does happen.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
One thing that kind of hasn't been spoken of me.
It could part of this.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Shit fight be driven by warring managers Joe Weeby and
Isaac Moses. Now, can you just explain the background between
these two agents who they look after and what's kind
of happened here.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, it's a fascinating story and subplot.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So these two used to be thick as thieves. They
are essentially business partners. Isaac's obviously extremely well known in
the game.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Joe Weebe is often referred to.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
As the football whisperer or the halves whisperer, and he
infiltrated the game. I think it was back with the
Broncos actually, when Wayne was still up there. They had
a spectacular bust up and finished up in the Supreme Court.
That was settled out of court because there was a
risk that a lot of big name players, Cameron Smith,
James Tedesco, all of their contracts could have all of
(12:08):
a sudden been brought up in this court case. So
Isaac actually paid Joe to settle it. They split. Joe
now looks after Daily, right, so he manages the affairs
of Daily, whereas Isaac has Anthony Sebold and a hell
of a lot of other players on the left.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Isaac to go with Web as well, correct, and Web
has Robson at the Roosters. Yeah, and is it fair
to say that these two don't have a good relationship
at all?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
After that?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I wouldn't I think they're off completely. I wouldn't think
they're speaking.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, because you know, I spoke to a couple of
player agents after the show last night, and a few
of them believe that there's a lot more to this,
you know, this could you know. I hear what they're saying,
and I respect what they're saying, and it could possibly
have an impact on it. But I also think DC
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is a great and he's smart enough to not let
an agent where he goes.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I know, but.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Subconsciously I look at this too goody body. Subconsciously, if
you've got an agent who is pushing you in one
direction and he's telling you that you know the club's
done wrong by you, there's a better opportunity else where.
Yadadada can enter your mind when you wanted to, It
can influence you. So I believe, I believe this is
some sort of influence there. And this is this is
(13:31):
not just two agents not getting along. This is the
Supreme Court, right And this is an agent who's got
the head coach Sea Bowl at Many and then key
players at the Roosters and rumors of him going there.
So there is a connection, and there's a bit of
a rivalry.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That that's behind the scenes here.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, Look, they don't get along. I'd think it would
be a lifetime feud. And look, you'd like to think
Daily is old enough and ugly enough, and he's burned
around the lock enough. I don't think that he would
let that influenced his decision, but I do, But I
do believe that when you join all those dots, it
does begin to and peel back the layers.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It does begin to explain.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Why there may have been some ill feeling and why
they've ended up going in different directions.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And Daily is now going to walk out.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
There, and also I think strengthens that link to the
russ Yes, when you peel it all back, yep, all right,
the two most powerful negotiators, they're trying to get him.
They hate losing, and these two could end up going
toe to toe the art of the deal. If you
talk about negotiations and you talk about getting deals done,
there are no better than these two heavyweights of our game.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Feel Good and Nick Politis.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Isn't it amazing that here we are now both searching
for a number seven, both in a position of power,
and both the best negotiators Our game is probably ever
seen or close to it, and could well be going
head to head here to get the signature of DC and.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
They're finally back on after a long I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So sure about that me.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I don't know if i'd say, because they.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
Hadn't spoken for years and then cross pass and.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They had a big fall now, so I don't know
where they're at the moment, so that that adds some
intrigue to it as well. I think they have crossed.
Pasm in Vegas said the Nines. They's a bit more
civil than I'm not so sure. It was high fives
and you know, let's go.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
They hadn't spoken since the Latrell Mitchell Joey Marnho fall
out between the Russes in the South.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I look at some of these names.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So in terms of Nick and the signatures that he's
secured over the years. Freddie Fitler all the way back
in ninety six. Gus also came with him at the time.
Sunny Bill Williams back from rugby union. That was a
huge deal because he'd been banned from the NRL for
a long period of time after the way he walked
out on the game. James Tedesco from the West Tigers
(15:53):
and of course the Cooper Kronk coup that led the
two premierships over to the Bulldogs and Canterbury Banks Down
and August at Penrith as well. Freddie Fittler, Matt Burton,
Villi Army kick Our. Cameron Serraldo is a big one
what he's achieved.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He was the most short how many clubs were chasing
him at the time, all.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Of them know, every club that was looking for a
coach wanted him because he was the hottest young gun
coach on the market. And Stephen Crichton is a big
one too.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
They very rarely missed these two.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
And the reason we bring this up is not because
that DC's definitely going on either of these two clubs,
but they are the two favorites right now and they've
got the two of the most powerful figures in our
game and best negotiators. That could end up in a
bit of a slinging match. So get the popcorn out.
This could be exciting.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, you're talking about the art of the deal, Braith,
these two and what they've been able to do for
their respective clubs over the years. They are the best
negotiators in rugby league, second to none. Both of them
out there fight tooth and nail through the Super League War.
So they have so many years of experience. They've negotiated
with everybody from James Packard, Alan Jones, you name it,
(16:57):
across the years. This will be a fascinating battle because
when it comes to closing a deal, there's a view
that Gus and Nick there's not a.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Lot between them.
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I've actually previously heard Nick say, you think Gus is
the best closer?
Speaker 6 (17:14):
He said off the top of the shower. Comes down
to money. So who's got more money to spend?
Speaker 8 (17:19):
I think the question would have more than the Boardogs
at the moment.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think the Roosters would with all the players that
they've lost. They've signed Reese Robson for next year, but
the Dogs have already signed Leo Thompson on a tight
salary cap, so they wouldn't have as much wiggle room
as the Rooster.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So when it comes down to who do you think
is going to win a camp? Does DC really want
to win another comp? It's got to be part of.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
His Yeah, he's a professional. Of course he's going to
want to.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Win and he probably wants to stay in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
There is a talk of Queensland and no one's Bonny
Mean's ruling that out. But DC very happy in the
Northern Beaches. He's got I think three daughters. Is it
that they will go to school in the northern Beaches.
He's I think his partners from Sydney, I believe. I'm
not sure on that one, but I know they're very settled.
So the whole fascination around Queensland maybe ten years.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Ago up there.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
To guys, it's interesting.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
School in Queensland. Yes, I didn't go off a lot
of girls.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That was a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
If you speak to people north of the border, right,
they're all very bullish.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Absolutely, he's going to the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So they believe they're more for the border.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
The majority of view is that absolutely, they say will.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Beat the Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Because his old man played at the club, he was
a junior at Redcliffe.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
There is family history there there.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
It comes back to your question you asked Gordy around
does he want to win a premiership? Because if he does,
you're going to the Roosters or the Bulldogs well ahead
of the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And what's in their favor as opposed to the Dolphins
is that premiership we gave but also there's still got.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
A lot of money.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
But why we've rutten off mainly if you look at
the droid, which is if you look at how young
and fast they are, they've got enough talent.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
No, I'm not writing mainly off.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, without.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
The comition, I disagree.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Look, it's a possibility, it was a possibility prior to this.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I actually think this now right.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I understand the reasoning behind why Daily has done what
he's done, but I think it causes to the point
that your Blake's alluded to earlier, I do think it
can cause irrefutable damage inside the.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Dress because of what you're putting the line through them
there going.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I don't think they can win the com off the
back of It's going.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
To cause them more grief, is tanelor forcas see the
ending injury because their weakness is their strength in the middle,
and he was one of the pillows.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
With all due respect, yes that's going to hurt, but
not as much as the captain and the Blake has
played more games than any jumper. It doesn't matter the
fact that he's walking out the door. What message is
that sending to the rest of the group. It doesn't
want to be with.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Him this season.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
You're not going to see him turn his up. Believe
he's going to start. He'll pay the champion that he is,
and I think will be fine.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They're still going to prove themselves that they can play
like they do at four pointswhere. They've got to beat
the top teams away from four points as well that
they are very good.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
If they run hot, I think they could win the comp.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
At the right time, at the right time.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
We're talking of signings with DC leaving will mainly look
to extend Turbo and Jake's deals. Is Jake said to
take a bit of a haircut?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Maybe, well, this is going to be the next big
story out of the Northern Beaches break is both Tom
and Jake are off at the end of twenty six,
so come November one, they are open to offers from
rival clubs. Will Jake take a haircut? Look at his
age and given everything that he's already done for that club,
I'm sure that they want to pay him the utmost respect,
but you would think sanity would suggest that given where
(20:50):
he's at, he's.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Going to have to take a more.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He's definitely taking He's taking a pat then has what's
he worth now?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
So manly, I don't know he'd be worth the sixers.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Okay, Yeah, there's a lot of the clubs that might
pay him a bit more.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
For one year at the back end of his career.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, you couldn't see Jake leaving.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
That's the problem.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know how much that jumper in that club means
to him. I couldn't see Jake he take ahead, he would,
he would absolutely, it's a big haircut.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But what sort of haircut? The ones like you two?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
One too? Straight down?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
All right?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Wayne Benett has hit out at the inn Roll claiming
the contract the contract bombshells have overshadowed the game in
the opening rounds.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Take a look.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
No, I just enjoyed the entertainment that's provide for everybody
else in the game. The critic the sillinger of us
as a game were allowed that to happen. It does
nothing for the game. There's nothing for the club. Yeah,
it's it's wrong and I wish we'd fix it. Absolutely, absolutely,
(22:14):
absolutely we hit the self destruct. But we're four weeks
in a football season which has already provided some great
football the whole focus is on, you know, what a
couple of players have done, so clubs have done whatever,
whatever the case. I'm not putting blame on either part,
but it just shouldn't happen. Shouldn't shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The master coach there is, Wayne Bennett, believes we shouldn't
be in this position right now.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It shouldn't happen. He's got a fair point.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I mean, is that for the coaches as well the
last year.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, we'll dive into this now, but he makes
a fair point. All the attention this week and you know,
and for the next few weeks is going to be
on DCU, and it's going to take away from the spectacle,
which is our amazing game, which for the first three
rounds has been spectacular. So it's a fair point. How
do you guys see it?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
It is a fair point.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
As you said, we've hit the self destruct button and
fans don't like it.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Fundamentally.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Fans don't like it when you know their player is
signing elsewhere or moving on elsewhere and they've got to
watch him for twelve months. As a from a journalistic
point of view, I love November one, right, because we
get to talk about it and speculate and go through
it all season. But I can understand why fans aren't
happy with it. Will a trade window work on?
Speaker 8 (23:21):
I don't know. We had to drine thirty before and
that was a joke.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You know, we all know that was a myth and
July one, all these players were signing left, right, and center.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
So what a trade window work? I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, we've seen Dylan Brown Bird at Combat Stadium. Will
be interesting to see what sort of reception daily Jerry
Evans gets at four points Sunday. But there's no question
if you look at the overseas sports they do run
it a lot smoother with the way that they roll
with trade windows, whether it's the NFL, NBA, other codes here.
(23:52):
I can understand where Wayne's coming from. But I'm bugging
if I know what the solution is because every time
that we raise it, do you end up getting all
these different arguments from various vested interests in the game,
and no one ever seems to have the perfect solution.
They've tried a draft previously that was challenged in court
and failed, So how do you fix it?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
It all depends what hat you got on. As a fan,
I don't like it. As a player, I knew where
I was going and I didn't have the options that
players are having these days. But as a player, now,
do you need to know where you're going to get
your kids in school and all that kind of.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Stucket As a TV host, no, I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I don't like coming in here at work and taking
away from the game. It doesn't change my life talking
about where players are going to play. But as a fan,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm with Gordy and I think because you know, this
is one instance, probably as an ex player, where you
feel it a bit more because you know, we are
all about the fans. He shows all about the fans.
That's why we do it. The broadcast of Fox Leagues
all about the fans. We wanted to be the best spectacle.
We want everyone to watch you when everyone to enjoy
it and have a great time and celebrate the game
and the players. But you also got to look from
a players perspective, and you know you look at that's
(24:58):
the point. Yeah, you look at even Dylan Brown for example,
which no one's going to feel sorry for him, but
like he signs a thirty million dollar deal. If there's
no trade window and he gets injured this year playing
for Parrel, he may be a bad example.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But just to give you an.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Example, you know that thirty dollars thirty million, million dollar deal.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Is not there.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
He may be on four or five hundred for three years.
It's a big significant difference. There's a lot of players
that if they secure their future, they've got kids, they've
got wives, they've got houses and mortgages. Not everyone's on
one point five million dollars. By the way, there's players
on three hundred two fifty four fifty take tax.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Away from that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
They're trying to you know, set their family up or
at least be able to own a home by the
time they're finished. There's no security whatsoever, and a career
only lasts, you know, on average, two to three or
four years for a first go Wleague player. You know,
so to not know where you're going to go, and
to get to just a two week or three week
or four week window when you could be going it
(25:53):
with an ACL done at the back end of the
season and you've got no money on the table, you know,
there's there's a high risk for players, and there's a
high risk e each time they step on that field,
unfortunately for the fans and everyone who doesn't like it.
They've got to protect the players in some way. You know,
there's got to be some advantage there to the player.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
But what do you Your point is, Brath, are you
saying you're okay with this current system?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Listen, it's not ideal, But I don't think the trade
window is the answer. I don't you know, I don't
know what the answer is, but I think a trade
window there would put a lot of players at risk,
you know, of not securing their future, knowing where their
future lies.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
You touched on how much everybody at Fox League loves
the game and loves the fact that it is all
about the fans. We had Peter Landi's come on this
program and make that very point. If you look at
the numbers in recent times, the television ratings off the charts, right,
and the reason is because the fans are riding the
wave of every week towards every game, all the nuances,
(26:51):
all the drama, all the for everything. This is my
point this week, I think, right. I've often heard Maddie
John say that Aby League is theater for blokes and
this is all part of the intrigue. Now, whether it's
right or wrong, and whether it's the best possible system,
I'm not sure, but I know that on building sites
and at pubs and clubs all around Australia.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
For year Blue White Rouver like there was optimism with
it right and then Penetha disappointed. So I get all that.
I get like there's a set of fans, but maybe
it's just all the clauses so every year and it
can drag out, like the bloke's coming off contract next
year and we're talking about like maybe maybe it's.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
The length that we talk about.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Maybe maybe I mean instead of saying whether it's six
months or four, I don't know how big the window is.
So there's a long time to get the deal in.
But we're talking about a bloke that can't move till two.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You it's worth a definite discussion if hopefully we can
find a solution with everyone's happy. But to be honest,
I don't think that's ever going to be the case.
So yeah, it's a tricky one. Now, Well, the Knights
make a play for Brown to move early. We know,
we spoke about it with Jimmy Graham suggesting it. We
had HEINDI saying last night, but he thinks should he
should go early, but he's it a releasting chance of
(28:04):
actually happening.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Not yet great, but I think before June thirty it
could play out because you look at the Paramatta situation
at the moment. Obviously Dylan Brown's on big money, is
not performing there. They're hampered a little bit because of
Mitch Moses' injury. So I think once Mitch Moses comes
back and get a gauge on to see how they're performing,
it could happen. On the flip side, you've got the
(28:25):
Newcastle Knights too, you know, think they'll be in finals contention,
and they're optimistic the fact that Dylan's not playing well.
They believe that you get him to that club and
you've got Kaylon Ponger and a few others in there,
that he would lift his game.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But Newcastle would have to to be able to make for.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Sure, for sure, they have to make it relevant.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Have we heard anything from Paramatta whether new.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Car I think they're having conversations.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, Look, obviously to the next point they want. They
obviously had Mitchell Moses back, right, that's first things first.
But I think once Mitch is back and if he's
going to be okay and be able to remain on
the field. And I think they look at it because
it hasn't really been working so far this season, and.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I would save them a fair bit in salary cap
money that they can play around with it and into
next season.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
What's this space, Jenna? Is your key player? Matchup? Sport
to you by Ozzie Broadband.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Battle of Brisbane Friday Night, The Fullbacks, The Hammer and
Ruce Lightning.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Cannot wait.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
That'll be an epic game because the Dolphins obviously need
to get off the duck.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Ye Hoops has gone to the fullbacks. I've gone the props.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Throw on mate James Fisher Harris to round out the
round with a blockbuster at Cameltown Beauty.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Well, do I need to
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