Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Tuesday July 15th, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
On NRL 360, the panel dive into the biggest talking points in the game right now - starting with Kalyn Ponga's form slump and growing speculation over a potential code switch, with overseas destinations in the mix. They also debate the Knights' future after possibly parting ways with Adam O'Brien - can the club find the right replacement to steady the ship? Plus, the Bulldogs' bold call to start Lachie Galvin over Toby Sexton comes under the microscope, and the panel reacts to the backlash after former Knight Alex McKinnon, now a quadriplegic, was left to pay his own way and sit on the hill at the Storm clash.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to do a roll three sixty rugby league from
every angle joining me again the great good and taller
let's been The journal is in Paul Crawley and Dean
Richie and Knights in christ As a speculation intensifies around
Kaylen Ponger and their coach, Adam O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What is the latest.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The latest is that the club continues to say it's speculation,
but it's out there that the coach is in serious trouble.
He'll be lucky to stay on past the end of
the season. And the moment the words starts spreading that
Ponger's looking at options, it tells you that he's on
his way. Certainly, the suggestions out of Newcastle today Braith,
were that the fears are increasing that Kaylen Ponger won't
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be there next year. Some Newcastle officials desperately try to
find this mysterious New Zealand manager.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Today.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They found out his identity, but they couldn't find him.
He wouldn't return calls. And certainly there's a growing speculation
that he will end up in French rugby or Japanese rugby.
But I am told quite categorically that he will not
be at all interested in playing for the All Blacks.
Why is that he just doesn't want to as I
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understand it. What about another league team that will depend
Braith on whether the Newcastle Knights allow that to happen.
He's still got two more years to go on his
existing deal. I'd be surprised. I think Calum Ponger wants
to change. I think he wants to head overseas and
think somewhere in France would suit Kalen.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
The bitter sening in me is a bit of sunny
Bill Williams go over to Japanese or French rugby and
come back to the side that he's been linked to.
Like everybody has mentioned the Roosters, a chance.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
On that, Oh, it's always a chance when you know
Nick Politis is involved. But he'd have to get a release.
I think, no matter where he goes release him to
go to rugby.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I think they would.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Release him to go to rugby if they it's Calin's wish,
given a service that he's given to Newcastle and the
Newcastle community. But I don't think there would be your
re lease to go to the Rooster So what Gordy
says is would be a genuine issue because if he
goes over and has a short stint in rugby and
then say, comes back next season midway through, does the
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NRL grant him permission to play for another club or
do they hold firm Because the problem is, you know,
there's Phil good was out there last night saying, you know,
you'd hate to see him to go to a lost
to rugby league. And there's no doubt in the world
other clubs would want to do that if he is
an available player. Maybe the Knights. Maybe the Knights though,
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see it as an opportunity to cut their losses. It
frees up what one point four million dollars in the
salary cap. They could go looking for, whether it be
a half back, a hooker, middle for the same amount
of money and move Fletcher Sharp to one.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
But who do they buy and will get to all
that soon? Despital or they head Loneans. It was business
as usual in Still City. According to Bravin Best, there's a.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Bit going on outside.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
There's walls, but I guess that's the media and it
comes with the job. But you know, us in the
playing group, we haven't looked too much into it. We
all know it's a business. At the end of the day,
coach is still coaching, KP is still here. So until
it comes from them, well no, no, I haven't heard
anything yet.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's start with Kaylen Ponger.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Are they getting value for money for him?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So far, No they're not. They'll go back to twenty
twenty three, the final nine rounds of the season, on
his way to winning the dally M Medal. He was unbelievable.
We all know what a great player Kaitlin is when
he's at his very best, but value for money he hasn't.
He hasn't averaged. I think one year he might have
played twenty games. The rest of the games seasons is
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he hasn't. He hasn't named up for what his talents
and what his pay grade suggests. It's clearly an elite player,
but one point four million crawls. You're right, I don't
think he's given them consistent value for money. He has
the odd game here and there Gordon where he looks
like one of the all time great players, but consistently
over a sustained period, they just don't get the value.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
They're not all his fault and it hasn't been been
out of form. I think the injuries as well. Yeah,
he had very different all back, he had the head
injuries and then obviously he's been getting a lot of
lower limb injuries as well.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But yeah, certainly consistency.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
If you look at someone like a Tedesco, you don't
think that they've got the value.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Even without injury this year, like if you if you
go look at his performances for Newcastle this year, he's
been way below his best and even at Origin level
this year. I thought his first two games were a
long way from what you expect from Cale and Ponger,
and it would have been really interesting to see if
Billy would have stuck with him three because he didn't
deserve to be in that team.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You know, it was a bit of an indifferent years
so far for Caitlyn, and I said it leading up
to Origin two and then after Origin two, I wouldn't
have been surprised if they did drop him, because Billy
was making big calls and he wasn't good in both
Origin games.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Really is okay in Game one, he was poor in
their win in Game.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Two, but then he had he probably his best game
of the year against the Dolphins after that game too,
and I thought Okay, this is looking good. He'll get
picked for Game three and it's a good opportunity for
him there.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So should he Should he repay the Knights? Though? Should he?
Does he owe the Knights?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well? He said when he was negotiating his last deal
and he went and met with Bennett. Remember he had
that meeting with Bennett and they weren't impressed with the
way that the hard way Bennett went about the meeting
and the truth that was spoken. He said, I want
to go back to Newcastle and I want to win
a premiership with the Knights. Well has he achieved that?
Because he got his two year extension that takes him
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through for another two years after this, and he walks
out without doing what he said in saying that because
he's not aiming up to his pay packet, it isn't
opportunity for Knights to use that salary and try and
build in another direction. You know what I got thinking
about it today, And I thought to himself two months ago,
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this would have almost worked at the perfect timing for
the Knights because you had a guy like Sexton on
the market, you had read Marny on the market. You
would have got two for the price.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Of one was on the market.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, and it just it would have been the perfect
time now, at this part of the season, and who's
on for next year. If he is to go, it
kind of does leave him in the.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Lurch, bittersweet, I think, because if he goes to another club,
you could see him killing it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But Bulldog.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Before we unpacked this any further, a short message from
your biggest supporter.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Unfortunately I can't speak one is it? Genis the bullfrog?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Richie?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Genis the bullfrog? Richie?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well there he is a great andro.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
We haven't spoken for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Bra.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He changed your nickname for it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I get more bull frog than bulldogs. So for that, Andrew,
I say thank you to Andrew. If carl And goes,
you can go as well.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And get Dennis as well. I get Dennis as well.
I get it all, but you get worse. Look like
a Dennis.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You think the Knights would be happy to see the
back of him or not.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I'm not saying that break, but I think they could
get more value for their one point four million dollars
ago who nowhere and who Well, I think they'd be
looking at either half back or in the halves where
they're straight.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Boarding Dylan Brown to play that, but I still think
there's another spot.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Let's be feed ink and Dylan Brown has shown no
signs of being a chief playmaker at number seven? Does
he like what Mitchell moses, He's have an opportunity in
recent times and he just hasn't hasn't taken on that
responsibility at paramount.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Dylan is not half.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
They need a half. They've spent exactly what they need
one three to.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
One four in him a year now for the next
ten years, they need a genuine seven.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Who would you go for?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Who? Like I said Sexton, if he if he would
have been available a month or two ago, he would
have been the perfect buy. Money would have been a
great buy his way down to Camber next. He has
been available, Yes, but they didn't know at that stage
that Calen was potentially going to walk out at the
end of the season, did they.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Yeah, but they still needed a halfback. Yeah, Karen's not
going to go into the number sets.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah. Yeah, but salary cap Woise losing having free up
one point four million dollars opens up a lot of.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Money for a halfback. Yeah, and you know that can
they pinch one? Do they get the next up? And
coming young gun, a couple.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Of those, one of the Rousters boys. If Cavin pung
the leaves and goes to play rugby overseas, what's his legacy?
Does he go down to an NR all great? I
don't think I can put him in that category. Oh
potentially he could have been.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I think I don't think he a very good reached that.
I think he's a very good player. He's played great
at State of Origin.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
He's played really good at every level, probably just not
as consistent as some of the greatest playmakers.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But he has been a good player.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He's has he been a great captain for Newcastle. There's
another question I reckon that you look at and you
think fairly or unfairly when you think of Caylene, you
often go back to Strawberry milkshake quote when when Nathan
Brown's job was on the line at the time, And
I reckon, it's a problem at the club at the
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moment is they've gone so far away from the DNA
that made the Knights so successful. Like when you look
back through all the great Knights players, they were they
worked to that Newcastle culture, that hard working, down to
earth sort of blokes and to me. There's still players
in that system who who represent what that's about. But
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I think from a leadership perspective, and I think I'm
going up to the chief executive, through to the coach
through to the captain, I think they've lost their way.
Like you go back to the Chiefs of the World
and the John's Brothers, the Ghiblis, you know, Robbie McCall,
mac Mark Sargeant, all those blokes that Mark Glanville who
typified what Newcastle about. I think that that's where they
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need to get back as a culture at that club.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Now, if for.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Night's move on O'Brien, are they smart enough to pick
the right replacement, cause.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I think it's a maskers.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't think Adam.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Look, I'll preface this by saying he's done a very
good job. They've made the finals four out of the
last five years, and I think he's been hard done
by it if they do give him the boot. But
they've finished seventh, seventh, fourteenth, fifth and eighth under Adam O'Brien.
So the concern I have Gordy is that is he
the man to get them to the next level, the
next level which I'm talking weeks two and three in
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the finals based on what we've seen, No he hasn't
or no he can't, or beat he's got them there.
But I'm just worrying whether they stagnate in week one
of the finals and that's all the juice he can
get out of the Orange.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, obviously they're concerned about That's why they look like
they're going to move him on. It's not one hundred percent,
of course, but it looks like they will. Who do
you think takes the Spoo's the right man for the job,
and are they going to make the right decision?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Like you said, are they going to make the right decision?
Do you have trust in their administration given some of
their decisions in recent times, that they're going to make
the right decision. Because the concern for me, you look
at Adam O'Brien. If Adam O'Brien would have started his
coaching head coaching career at a different club, Look at
the guys like would Trent Robinson to be a three
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time premiership winning coach if he didn't start at the Roosters,
Say he started at the West Tigers. When Cameron Siraldo
was kicking off his career, he had an opportunity to
go to West Tigers, but he chose the Bulldogs because
of what was their Gus Gould, the system, and he
thought there's more chance of me having success there.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
The answer is Wayne Bennett Castle. My concern Wayne Bennett
at the Broncos, at the Dragons.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, Well, my concern with the Knights at the moment
is are the leadership capable of knowing what the right
decision is? Firstly? And secondly when that coach arrived waves,
will they give him the power to take control of
that club? Which would be the concern if it was
an inexperienced young coach that hadn't been there and he
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walked into that environment that moment, you just wonder if
he'd be suffocated by the power above him. Crawls the
bloke and the right there, he's your man. He'll be
the next Newcastle coach. That's the mail I'm getting. Blake
Green highly regarded a Newcastle, well liked and a coach
of immense potential. I think you'll find he will be
the man. I did a bit of digging today, Adam O'Brien,
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I think you'll find breath is safe for this year.
I asked some well placed sources. Is there any chance
he could survive next year? They didn't seem to think
that would be the case. But I don't think they'll
sack him mid season. That all obviously depends on the
results over the next seven or eight weeks. You say
he's your man, that's.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The mast question.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Is he the right man? Because going back to the
original point, it's just that he hasn't got the experience
to walk in there and take control. That would be
my concern. Like you've got a guy like Brad out
You understands he's been in the club and as I understands,
the attack coach at the.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
If you're.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
And you're going to step up and be the next coach,
aren't all your ideas out there helping.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Or call them?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I don't understand who you guys want as coach.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If you don't want someone, do you want an outsider?
Do you want a Newcastle DNA person?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Who do you want?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, it's not a matter of who I want, it's
who might be best suited. And if I was looking
at where the Knights are at the moment, I would
probably think an experienced coach would be a better fit
for them to potentially tell the other Blakes to rack
off and let me take charge. A guy like Brad
Arthur would be perfect. If you go back through Brad
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brad Arthur's history of Paramatta, he took over a club
that had won and Wooden Spoon. They had terrible boardroom dramas,
salary cap dramas. He was the only guy that put
his head up through that entire stage and Brick Bride Brick.
He built a team that got to a Grand Final
against Penrith and after that it kind of fell apart,
didn't it. But I think he's got the runs on
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the board that suggested to me he could do a
mighty job up there.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I know they're a big fan of Blake Green. I've
heard that coming out of the club for a long
period of time. I think you're you make a great point,
but I think you're on the money. I think Green
is front and center and probably favored to get it.
Now Knights in damage control over Alex McKinnon. Gaff Now
Dave Ricky, I wrote this story this afternoon, I believe
in the Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think it was on the website. But what's happened equals.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Very sad, So Dave Rickyo reported today that Alex turned
up at the Knights game against the Storm on the weekend,
paid his own way in sat on the hill and
unbeknownst to him before the game, I think Dave wrote
that someone had pointed out that there was a charity
promotion going on at the other end of the field
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involving a spinal charity. And I think it was just
the lack of involved here because it was a game
against the Storm and you go back, what was it
thirteen years or eleven years now, and Alex suffered his
injury against the Storm and it's just a poor choice,
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Like doesn't Alex McKinnon deserve not to pay his way
into a game and he's not the one blowing up
about this, but it's just the poor taste all over. Surely,
surely the christ I ask question should be in that
should have two seats set aside for him in his
fair that's every week.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
That's a great point. I think the Broncos have different tiers.
If you play certain amount of games or whatever, I
get two tickets for the rest of my life. I
think if you play three hundred games, you get two
Grand Final tickets for the rest of your life. If
you've sacrificed yourself playing for a club the way he has,
wouldn't you think he has family season tickets for the
rest of his life?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Isn't something? Isn't that what Newcastle Woyah?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I had interesting details with this, but I see it
as a complete overside and it kind of explain white
clubs are in the position they are, you know, like
I know clubs that I've been had to deal with
in the past, played for whatever it may be, had
relationships with. It stands out the ones that are successful
because this would never happen, you know, like it's it's
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like every ex player and especially in Alex's position, would
always be granted anything, any tickets they wanted, any jerseys
they did, to bring kids in, family friends.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know, it's just not an issue.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You've just got constant contact with the front desk and
there's normally someone that looks after you twenty four to seven,
and you wouldn't end up in this situation.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You really didn't have to ask to they should be
ringing him and if you embarrassed they would they would.
And go back to my point about the Knight's DNA,
there would have been a time at that club where
this wouldn't have happened, and you're sport on breath and
now it does happen. It's cut to the chase. This
starts and stops with Phil Gardener. He is the CEO.
We all get caught up in our own busy worlds,
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but there is a thing in obly put some sensitivity.
He deserved that and he deserves to be law for
the courage that kid showed while playing for that club.
For him to have to pay to sit on the hill.
When Phil Gardner is the CEO and he can blame
who he likes. It starts and stops with him, and
then with the bad taste in respect to the Spinal
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Charity on the day they're playing the storm like it's just.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's detail and in many ways, you know, in many ways.
All right, let's take a look at the inns and out.
It's around twenty things to sports betting. There are a
few big ones this week, all right, Gordy out of
the way, champ Townsend replaces injured Savala for the Roosters.
Cleary and you arrested for seous clash. Walker out for
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the season, and Dodd he gets to start this week
on the bench. Dylan Brown dropped to eighteenth men for
paramatter Galvin two halfback Sexton drop that's the big one.
Taylor may to make club debut at center for the
West Tigers. In Cameron Serudo's decision to put Lachlin Galvin
in the seven had plenty of support.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
In Belmoud said it before, Locke's year pretty much the
first person here every day, working hard in his game
and on the field. He's been really chasing excellence and yeah,
I guess he's shot this weekend. Obviously, you check on
Toby and Toby's a great, great person, team first mentality.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
He mus get on with it.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
He's out there today ripping in for the Bury side,
helping us get better.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
So yeah, yeah, excited that he's been playing good footy.
We know he's a good player, and yeah he's got
the call up this week and we.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Hope he does a great job for us.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
Toby's a good mate of all of ours obviously, and
that's just part of the game and it's hard for
him and you know we're all going to be there
to support him. It's been building a year and they
have finally made the decision.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He has been the talk of the town, the talk
of the NL. Lachlan Galvin and we said last night,
if you're going to pull a trigger, then pull it
and bang Saldo has done it straight away. Galvin into
the seven Jersey. Toby Sexton dropped thoughts.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I think that finally Cameron Cerrello has reached support where
he said I've got to make a call here and
he's made it. I don't think this is a week
to week like we've seen in the last month.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think this is the future.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
This is the future, this is the.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Way they want to go.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The question though, is when he has played during his
limited time on the field this year Cruils, he's been
quite disjointed Lochland Gavin. That will come obviously the more
time he spends on the field.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
They've got eight weeks to get it right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The question I'll ask you, Gordy is they have to
score more points because I don't think they can win
the comp That's a question form half without Lachland Galvin.
But they are a DNA defensive side. Does this mean
that Cameron Cerrello is now trying to alter the DNA
two months out of the finals now, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You're right, And I said it last night.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I said that watching their attack on the weekend against
the Cowboys, who are the worst defensive team in the competition,
and only scoring the amount of points that they did,
and actually the way that it was very clunky and
they haven't really evolved. There was a period there I
thought they were evolving with Sexton and I thought they
could win the comp with him in half and the
way that they were attacking. But a a week and
I was like, you know, I'm not so sure. So
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I could kind of and then I looked at the
stats and I saw the stats and when I when
I kind of dug a little deeper and realized that
they had support from the playing group. And it wasn't
you know, them just chucking sext and out to dry
the other players.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
You believe in Galvin and want him there. I'm like, okay, well.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Believe there no, no, no, no, true.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That is true.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Every week you know that the players.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Have interviewed seven, they will say he's the best man
for the job.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Next week is somebody else? The players will say, we
support him.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I get it, but you believe in some players more so, Yeah,
of course you go there in the seventeen teammates you
do believe in, but there's some that used to have
a lot more faith than trusting.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
See.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I trust Kemern throughout it right, and I rate him
highly as a coach, and I think he can win them.
I've said at the start that he can win them
a premiership. With that team, they've got to win a
combay to the next three to four years. They've gone
better than I thought. He knows what it takes to
win a premiership. He knows what attack he needs. He
knows he's not getting that attack. Galvin's going to take time.
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And the jury is still out on Galvin. It's still
out on Galvin. But he thinks that their best chance
of their attack evolving and going to another level to
match the lights of the Melbourne Storms and Canberra is
with Galvin in it, and Sexton just didn't get there.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I think good luck to Galvin. You know, he's a
twenty year old young man who's had the weight of
the world on his shoulders in recent times. Like you say,
no one would know what's going to work best for
them than Cameron Serraudo. But the proof will be in
the pudding, and I guess the concern, you know is
obviously you talk about the Bulldogs need to grow a
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leg and attack, But when I think about the fact
that they did lead the premiership for two parts of
the season, and what they built their success on was
their defense, their commit commitment to one another, and you
would just hope that this doesn't pull apart their greater
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strength to try and strength and a weakness. And and
if you go back to Galvin's most recent game too,
you know the old saying you're only as good as
your last game. Well, well that last game. He was
far from impressive in that game because he threw two
bullets through Matt Burton's body and he gave kick our
another one. Like, I just wonder where this has come
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from on the back of that performance. Well, this is
the reason you just said bra was quite unfair. I
don't know if it was a throwaway line, but you
just said before Sexton just didn't quite get there. Surely
that's debatable. He took them to the top of them everything,
everything is debatable. But he took them to the table
a second, so he did get them.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know what I'm saying is is he didn't get
to the level that they wanted in attack. They didn't
evolve enough to match the likes of Melbourne, Canberra, even
the Broncos with their attack.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Their defense is great.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now Serreno's put his balls online here he's going to
get He's happy to take a few steps back right
now over this eight week period to then get in
six to eight weeks where they want to be.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It may not work.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
This is a risk and I've said that all along
and I'm not taking that back.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It has been a distraction. But finally we've wanted a call.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know, this uncertainty and off the bench should go
to nine and you come on and play in the
Burt in the center that's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
He's made the call.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And it's a brave call. Like you look at what
Billy did in the State of origin. You know he's
he's backed himself that he's made the right call. But
going back to the Bulldog's attack, remember also that Stephen
Crichton wasn't there on the weekend. When you think of
their strengths.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
They got a five right and kick number nine to
pin all your attack on seven when there's a six
that's played eighteenth man, you've got two big centers, You've.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Got to fall back and you've got a number nine.
They've all need to step.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Up because you know, like even going back to Cameron's
comments last week about it, you can't understand, you know,
the ridiculous attention that Lachlin's received. This takes it to
the next levels, it really does.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's not you to think that, you know, that's where
I disagree with Cameron, Like it's even to think or
be surprised by the attention this is received.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And it's going to continue. You know, it's going to
keep it.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
We'll go up to the next level now because the
Bulldog season is writing on this decision now, because you
know that they're at top four certainty, and a lot
of people considered them rightly so as a team that
could have won the comp without.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
This change, and just to go back to sex and
has done a magnificent job he has, like there is
no denying that. And I feel sorry for him, and
I've defended him a lot of the year, but I
can see looking at the stats was an opener to me,
looking at the zero line breaks, and you know he
was down the bottom of warharves and the competition in
terms of line break assists and all that, and it
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is harsh, but you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Look, I agree with the attack breath, and I agree
again that they probably do need some spark there. But
why are we trying to find a negative and a positive?
Whatever they have been doing, whether it's been right or wrong,
they are still in the top two, So who's to
say they desperately need an overhaul and attack? I think
they do, But the general consensus is why it's working.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Could be like Tiger Woods, he changed the swing.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
There, Honestly it could.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And this is the thing here, right like the head
coaches made the He's made the call, and he will
live and die by that, as they all do, you know,
but I think he's made the right one, you know,
having more of a deeper look into it the last
couple of days, Bulldog's bite.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
What he got for us? Do you bulldogs? By what
I've done? Brother? Is?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I thought? I just questioned the amount of scrutiny that
the public and those on podcasts and the media to
some degree have on coaches this year. I've added up
there's eight coaches who have been under the pump and
we are nineteen rounds in. Just because you have some
short term failures or a lack of success. You don't
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need to target them and to sack them. Hasler, Peyton, Seabold, McGuire, O'Brien,
Marshall and now Bennett. And you want to throw in Lourie,
you can as well. Eight coaches who have been under
the pump. It's July and the season started in March.
It's got to stop. I think we have to start
giving coaches a little bit more time. Yes, I know,
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we in the media have to hold coaches and everyone
in the game accountable. Why are you smiling, Broke because
we started the show on Adam O'Brien.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
Such a nice career, such a nice way we have
to critique.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
But I think this this.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Collective Billy Slater last week?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Let me is this because jobs.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Exactly collectives on the chopping balls now rivaling the E
p L and the NFL in America, and I just
think it's becoming increasingly unfair talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I get your response to this.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I just think that I think that it comes with
the job.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I remember one time I was on a drive somewhere
and a local policeman is in the coffee shop and
he's come outside and he wanted to have a chat
and that time it was a Tiger supporter and he
felt really sorry for Michael McGuire and what he was
going through. And I said, mate, you know what I said.
I understand what you're saying, but save your sympathy. Michael
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McGuire was on six hundred or seven hundred thousand dollars.
You know, the policeman's out there probably on one hundred
and twenty nurses, doctors, everyone in their life has pressure
on him. That comes with the paypacker. When you're in,
when you're in the big chair, mate's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
That's a low blog, Dog, I loved your gord.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You know what was three.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Losses now and everyone jumps on the coach's back. Three
That's not true, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
What about what this plot went through about a month
and a half ago.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, but I was gone but made. Unfortunately, Dog,
these days there is there is so much focus on
rugby league, and you respond and you analyze and comment
about what's happening in the moment things change. Unfortunately, it
just it's part of the deal.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You're okay, love your work.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Stick your journized this Sunday from ten a m.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Team zero fights to become a two time world champion,
live from Las Vegas. It's the only Australian fight worth
watching next week and it's only on at nine event.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's a bad cut blood and cut hard for split decision.
You should have killed me in the first because I'm
coming back with the revenge the.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Way I like to.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Phase two just break faces and I'm going in there
too to hurt him.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Stick.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
True boy.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Any means love things, only hate division Champion of the World.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Too many heality mortality,
Welcome to do a roll three sixty rugby league from
every angle joining me again the great good and taller
let's been The journal is in Paul Crawley and Dean
Richie and Knights in christ As a speculation intensifies around
Kaylen Ponger and their coach, Adam O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What is the latest.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The latest is that the club continues to say it's speculation,
but it's out there that the coach is in serious trouble.
He'll be lucky to stay on past the end of
the season. And the moment the words starts spreading that
Ponger's looking at options, it tells you that he's on
his way. Certainly, the suggestions out of Newcastle today Braith,
were that the fears are increasing that Kaylen Ponger won't
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be there next year. Some Newcastle officials desperately try to
find this mysterious New Zealand manager.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Today.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They found out his identity, but they couldn't find him.
He wouldn't return calls. And certainly there's a growing speculation
that he will end up in French rugby or Japanese rugby.
But I am told quite categorically that he will not
be at all interested in playing for the All Blacks.
Why is that he just doesn't want to as I
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understand it. What about another league team that will depend
Braith on whether the Newcastle Knights allow that to happen.
He's still got two more years to go on his
existing deal. I'd be surprised. I think Calum Ponger wants
to change. I think he wants to head overseas and
think somewhere in France would suit Kalen.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
The bitter sening in me is a bit of sunny
Bill Williams go over to Japanese or French rugby and
come back to the side that he's been linked to.
Like everybody has mentioned the Roosters, a chance.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
On that, Oh, it's always a chance when you know
Nick Politis is involved. But he'd have to get a release.
I think, no matter where he goes release him to
go to rugby.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I think they would.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Release him to go to rugby if they it's Calin's wish,
given a service that he's given to Newcastle and the
Newcastle community. But I don't think there would be your
re lease to go to the Rooster So what Gordy
says is would be a genuine issue because if he
goes over and has a short stint in rugby and
then say, comes back next season midway through, does the
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NRL grant him permission to play for another club or
do they hold firm Because the problem is, you know,
there's Phil good was out there last night saying, you know,
you'd hate to see him to go to a lost
to rugby league. And there's no doubt in the world
other clubs would want to do that if he is
an available player. Maybe the Knights. Maybe the Knights though,
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see it as an opportunity to cut their losses. It
frees up what one point four million dollars in the
salary cap. They could go looking for, whether it be
a half back, a hooker, middle for the same amount
of money and move Fletcher Sharp to one.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
But who do they buy and will get to all
that soon? Despital or they head Loneans. It was business
as usual in Still City. According to Bravin Best, there's a.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Bit going on outside.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
There's walls, but I guess that's the media and it
comes with the job. But you know, us in the
playing group, we haven't looked too much into it. We
all know it's a business. At the end of the day,
coach is still coaching, KP is still here. So until
it comes from them, well no, no, I haven't heard
anything yet.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's start with Kaylen Ponger.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Are they getting value for money for him?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So far, No they're not. They'll go back to twenty
twenty three, the final nine rounds of the season, on
his way to winning the dally M Medal. He was unbelievable.
We all know what a great player Kaitlin is when
he's at his very best, but value for money he hasn't.
He hasn't averaged. I think one year he might have
played twenty games. The rest of the games seasons is
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he hasn't. He hasn't named up for what his talents
and what his pay grade suggests. It's clearly an elite player,
but one point four million crawls. You're right, I don't
think he's given them consistent value for money. He has
the odd game here and there Gordon where he looks
like one of the all time great players, but consistently
over a sustained period, they just don't get the value.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
They're not all his fault and it hasn't been been
out of form. I think the injuries as well. Yeah,
he had very different all back, he had the head
injuries and then obviously he's been getting a lot of
lower limb injuries as well.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But yeah, certainly consistency.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
If you look at someone like a Tedesco, you don't
think that they've got the value.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Even without injury this year, like if you if you
go look at his performances for Newcastle this year, he's
been way below his best and even at Origin level
this year. I thought his first two games were a
long way from what you expect from Cale and Ponger,
and it would have been really interesting to see if
Billy would have stuck with him three because he didn't
deserve to be in that team.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You know, it was a bit of an indifferent years
so far for Caitlyn, and I said it leading up
to Origin two and then after Origin two, I wouldn't
have been surprised if they did drop him, because Billy
was making big calls and he wasn't good in both
Origin games.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Really is okay in Game one, he was poor in
their win in Game.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Two, but then he had he probably his best game
of the year against the Dolphins after that game too,
and I thought Okay, this is looking good. He'll get
picked for Game three and it's a good opportunity for
him there.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So should he Should he repay the Knights? Though? Should he?
Does he owe the Knights?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well? He said when he was negotiating his last deal
and he went and met with Bennett. Remember he had
that meeting with Bennett and they weren't impressed with the
way that the hard way Bennett went about the meeting
and the truth that was spoken. He said, I want
to go back to Newcastle and I want to win
a premiership with the Knights. Well has he achieved that?
Because he got his two year extension that takes him
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through for another two years after this, and he walks
out without doing what he said in saying that because
he's not aiming up to his pay packet, it isn't
opportunity for Knights to use that salary and try and
build in another direction. You know what I got thinking
about it today, And I thought to himself two months ago,
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this would have almost worked at the perfect timing for
the Knights because you had a guy like Sexton on
the market, you had read Marny on the market. You
would have got two for the price.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Of one was on the market.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, and it just it would have been the perfect
time now, at this part of the season, and who's
on for next year. If he is to go, it
kind of does leave him in the.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Lurch, bittersweet, I think, because if he goes to another club,
you could see him killing it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But Bulldog.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Before we unpacked this any further, a short message from
your biggest supporter.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Unfortunately I can't speak one is it? Genis the bullfrog?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Richie?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Genis the bullfrog? Richie?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well there he is a great andro.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
We haven't spoken for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Bra.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He changed your nickname for it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I get more bull frog than bulldogs. So for that, Andrew,
I say thank you to Andrew. If carl And goes,
you can go as well.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And get Dennis as well. I get Dennis as well.
I get it all, but you get worse. Look like
a Dennis.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You think the Knights would be happy to see the
back of him or not.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I'm not saying that break, but I think they could
get more value for their one point four million dollars
ago who nowhere and who Well, I think they'd be
looking at either half back or in the halves where
they're straight.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Boarding Dylan Brown to play that, but I still think
there's another spot.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Let's be feed ink and Dylan Brown has shown no
signs of being a chief playmaker at number seven? Does
he like what Mitchell moses, He's have an opportunity in
recent times and he just hasn't hasn't taken on that
responsibility at paramount.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Dylan is not half.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
They need a half. They've spent exactly what they need
one three to.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
One four in him a year now for the next
ten years, they need a genuine seven.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Who would you go for?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Who? Like I said Sexton, if he if he would
have been available a month or two ago, he would
have been the perfect buy. Money would have been a
great buy his way down to Camber next. He has
been available, Yes, but they didn't know at that stage
that Calen was potentially going to walk out at the
end of the season, did they.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Yeah, but they still needed a halfback. Yeah, Karen's not
going to go into the number sets.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah. Yeah, but salary cap Woise losing having free up
one point four million dollars opens up a lot of.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Money for a halfback. Yeah, and you know that can
they pinch one? Do they get the next up? And
coming young gun, a couple.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Of those, one of the Rousters boys. If Cavin pung
the leaves and goes to play rugby overseas, what's his legacy?
Does he go down to an NR all great? I
don't think I can put him in that category. Oh
potentially he could have been.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I think I don't think he a very good reached that.
I think he's a very good player. He's played great
at State of Origin.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
He's played really good at every level, probably just not
as consistent as some of the greatest playmakers.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But he has been a good player.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He's has he been a great captain for Newcastle. There's
another question I reckon that you look at and you
think fairly or unfairly when you think of Caylene, you
often go back to Strawberry milkshake quote when when Nathan
Brown's job was on the line at the time, And
I reckon, it's a problem at the club at the
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moment is they've gone so far away from the DNA
that made the Knights so successful. Like when you look
back through all the great Knights players, they were they
worked to that Newcastle culture, that hard working, down to
earth sort of blokes and to me. There's still players
in that system who who represent what that's about. But
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I think from a leadership perspective, and I think I'm
going up to the chief executive, through to the coach
through to the captain, I think they've lost their way.
Like you go back to the Chiefs of the World
and the John's Brothers, the Ghiblis, you know, Robbie McCall,
mac Mark Sargeant, all those blokes that Mark Glanville who
typified what Newcastle about. I think that that's where they
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need to get back as a culture at that club.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Now, if for.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Night's move on O'Brien, are they smart enough to pick
the right replacement, cause.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I think it's a maskers.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't think Adam.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Look, I'll preface this by saying he's done a very
good job. They've made the finals four out of the
last five years, and I think he's been hard done
by it if they do give him the boot. But
they've finished seventh, seventh, fourteenth, fifth and eighth under Adam O'Brien.
So the concern I have Gordy is that is he
the man to get them to the next level, the
next level which I'm talking weeks two and three in
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the finals based on what we've seen, No he hasn't
or no he can't, or beat he's got them there.
But I'm just worrying whether they stagnate in week one
of the finals and that's all the juice he can
get out of the Orange.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, obviously they're concerned about That's why they look like
they're going to move him on. It's not one hundred percent,
of course, but it looks like they will. Who do
you think takes the Spoo's the right man for the job,
and are they going to make the right decision?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Like you said, are they going to make the right decision?
Do you have trust in their administration given some of
their decisions in recent times, that they're going to make
the right decision. Because the concern for me, you look
at Adam O'Brien. If Adam O'Brien would have started his
coaching head coaching career at a different club, Look at
the guys like would Trent Robinson to be a three
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time premiership winning coach if he didn't start at the Roosters,
Say he started at the West Tigers. When Cameron Siraldo
was kicking off his career, he had an opportunity to
go to West Tigers, but he chose the Bulldogs because
of what was their Gus Gould, the system, and he
thought there's more chance of me having success there.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
The answer is Wayne Bennett Castle. My concern Wayne Bennett
at the Broncos, at the Dragons.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, Well, my concern with the Knights at the moment
is are the leadership capable of knowing what the right
decision is? Firstly? And secondly when that coach arrived waves,
will they give him the power to take control of
that club? Which would be the concern if it was
an inexperienced young coach that hadn't been there and he
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walked into that environment that moment, you just wonder if
he'd be suffocated by the power above him. Crawls the
bloke and the right there, he's your man. He'll be
the next Newcastle coach. That's the mail I'm getting. Blake
Green highly regarded a Newcastle, well liked and a coach
of immense potential. I think you'll find he will be
the man. I did a bit of digging today, Adam O'Brien,
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I think you'll find breath is safe for this year.
I asked some well placed sources. Is there any chance
he could survive next year? They didn't seem to think
that would be the case. But I don't think they'll
sack him mid season. That all obviously depends on the
results over the next seven or eight weeks. You say
he's your man, that's.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The mast question.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Is he the right man? Because going back to the
original point, it's just that he hasn't got the experience
to walk in there and take control. That would be
my concern. Like you've got a guy like Brad out
You understands he's been in the club and as I understands,
the attack coach at the.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
If you're.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
And you're going to step up and be the next coach,
aren't all your ideas out there helping.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Or call them?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I don't understand who you guys want as coach.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If you don't want someone, do you want an outsider?
Do you want a Newcastle DNA person?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Who do you want?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, it's not a matter of who I want, it's
who might be best suited. And if I was looking
at where the Knights are at the moment, I would
probably think an experienced coach would be a better fit
for them to potentially tell the other Blakes to rack
off and let me take charge. A guy like Brad
Arthur would be perfect. If you go back through Brad
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brad Arthur's history of Paramatta, he took over a club
that had won and Wooden Spoon. They had terrible boardroom dramas,
salary cap dramas. He was the only guy that put
his head up through that entire stage and Brick Bride Brick.
He built a team that got to a Grand Final
against Penrith and after that it kind of fell apart,
didn't it. But I think he's got the runs on
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the board that suggested to me he could do a
mighty job up there.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I know they're a big fan of Blake Green. I've
heard that coming out of the club for a long
period of time. I think you're you make a great point,
but I think you're on the money. I think Green
is front and center and probably favored to get it.
Now Knights in damage control over Alex McKinnon. Gaff Now
Dave Ricky, I wrote this story this afternoon, I believe
in the Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think it was on the website. But what's happened equals.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Very sad, So Dave Rickyo reported today that Alex turned
up at the Knights game against the Storm on the weekend,
paid his own way in sat on the hill and
unbeknownst to him before the game, I think Dave wrote
that someone had pointed out that there was a charity
promotion going on at the other end of the field
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involving a spinal charity. And I think it was just
the lack of involved here because it was a game
against the Storm and you go back, what was it
thirteen years or eleven years now, and Alex suffered his
injury against the Storm and it's just a poor choice,
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Like doesn't Alex McKinnon deserve not to pay his way
into a game and he's not the one blowing up
about this, but it's just the poor taste all over. Surely,
surely the christ I ask question should be in that
should have two seats set aside for him in his
fair that's every week.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
That's a great point. I think the Broncos have different tiers.
If you play certain amount of games or whatever, I
get two tickets for the rest of my life. I
think if you play three hundred games, you get two
Grand Final tickets for the rest of your life. If
you've sacrificed yourself playing for a club the way he has,
wouldn't you think he has family season tickets for the
rest of his life?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Isn't something? Isn't that what Newcastle Woyah?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I had interesting details with this, but I see it
as a complete overside and it kind of explain white
clubs are in the position they are, you know, like
I know clubs that I've been had to deal with
in the past, played for whatever it may be, had
relationships with. It stands out the ones that are successful
because this would never happen, you know, like it's it's
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like every ex player and especially in Alex's position, would
always be granted anything, any tickets they wanted, any jerseys
they did, to bring kids in, family friends.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know, it's just not an issue.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You've just got constant contact with the front desk and
there's normally someone that looks after you twenty four to seven,
and you wouldn't end up in this situation.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You really didn't have to ask to they should be
ringing him and if you embarrassed they would they would.
And go back to my point about the Knight's DNA,
there would have been a time at that club where
this wouldn't have happened, and you're sport on breath and
now it does happen. It's cut to the chase. This
starts and stops with Phil Gardener. He is the CEO.
We all get caught up in our own busy worlds,
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but there is a thing in obly put some sensitivity.
He deserved that and he deserves to be law for
the courage that kid showed while playing for that club.
For him to have to pay to sit on the hill.
When Phil Gardner is the CEO and he can blame
who he likes. It starts and stops with him, and
then with the bad taste in respect to the Spinal
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Charity on the day they're playing the storm like it's just.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's detail and in many ways, you know, in many ways.
All right, let's take a look at the inns and out.
It's around twenty things to sports betting. There are a
few big ones this week, all right, Gordy out of
the way, champ Townsend replaces injured Savala for the Roosters.
Cleary and you arrested for seous clash. Walker out for
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the season, and Dodd he gets to start this week
on the bench. Dylan Brown dropped to eighteenth men for
paramatter Galvin two halfback Sexton drop that's the big one.
Taylor may to make club debut at center for the
West Tigers. In Cameron Serudo's decision to put Lachlin Galvin
in the seven had plenty of support.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
In Belmoud said it before, Locke's year pretty much the
first person here every day, working hard in his game
and on the field. He's been really chasing excellence and yeah,
I guess he's shot this weekend. Obviously, you check on
Toby and Toby's a great, great person, team first mentality.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
He mus get on with it.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
He's out there today ripping in for the Bury side,
helping us get better.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
So yeah, yeah, excited that he's been playing good footy.
We know he's a good player, and yeah he's got
the call up this week and we.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Hope he does a great job for us.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
Toby's a good mate of all of ours obviously, and
that's just part of the game and it's hard for
him and you know we're all going to be there
to support him. It's been building a year and they
have finally made the decision.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He has been the talk of the town, the talk
of the NL. Lachlan Galvin and we said last night,
if you're going to pull a trigger, then pull it
and bang Saldo has done it straight away. Galvin into
the seven Jersey. Toby Sexton dropped thoughts.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I think that finally Cameron Cerrello has reached support where
he said I've got to make a call here and
he's made it. I don't think this is a week
to week like we've seen in the last month.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think this is the future.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
This is the future, this is the.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Way they want to go.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The question though, is when he has played during his
limited time on the field this year Cruils, he's been
quite disjointed Lochland Gavin. That will come obviously the more
time he spends on the field.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
They've got eight weeks to get it right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The question I'll ask you, Gordy is they have to
score more points because I don't think they can win
the comp That's a question form half without Lachland Galvin.
But they are a DNA defensive side. Does this mean
that Cameron Cerrello is now trying to alter the DNA
two months out of the finals now, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You're right, And I said it last night.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I said that watching their attack on the weekend against
the Cowboys, who are the worst defensive team in the competition,
and only scoring the amount of points that they did,
and actually the way that it was very clunky and
they haven't really evolved. There was a period there I
thought they were evolving with Sexton and I thought they
could win the comp with him in half and the
way that they were attacking. But a a week and
I was like, you know, I'm not so sure. So
(20:02):
I could kind of and then I looked at the
stats and I saw the stats and when I when
I kind of dug a little deeper and realized that
they had support from the playing group. And it wasn't
you know, them just chucking sext and out to dry
the other players.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
You believe in Galvin and want him there. I'm like, okay, well.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Believe there no, no, no, no, true.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That is true.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Every week you know that the players.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Have interviewed seven, they will say he's the best man
for the job.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Next week is somebody else? The players will say, we
support him.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I get it, but you believe in some players more so, Yeah,
of course you go there in the seventeen teammates you
do believe in, but there's some that used to have
a lot more faith than trusting.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
See.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I trust Kemern throughout it right, and I rate him
highly as a coach, and I think he can win them.
I've said at the start that he can win them
a premiership. With that team, they've got to win a
combay to the next three to four years. They've gone
better than I thought. He knows what it takes to
win a premiership. He knows what attack he needs. He
knows he's not getting that attack. Galvin's going to take time.
(21:02):
And the jury is still out on Galvin. It's still
out on Galvin. But he thinks that their best chance
of their attack evolving and going to another level to
match the lights of the Melbourne Storms and Canberra is
with Galvin in it, and Sexton just didn't get there.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I think good luck to Galvin. You know, he's a
twenty year old young man who's had the weight of
the world on his shoulders in recent times. Like you say,
no one would know what's going to work best for
them than Cameron Serraudo. But the proof will be in
the pudding, and I guess the concern, you know is
obviously you talk about the Bulldogs need to grow a
(21:38):
leg and attack, But when I think about the fact
that they did lead the premiership for two parts of
the season, and what they built their success on was
their defense, their commit commitment to one another, and you
would just hope that this doesn't pull apart their greater
(21:58):
strength to try and strength and a weakness. And and
if you go back to Galvin's most recent game too,
you know the old saying you're only as good as
your last game. Well, well that last game. He was
far from impressive in that game because he threw two
bullets through Matt Burton's body and he gave kick our
another one. Like, I just wonder where this has come
(22:21):
from on the back of that performance. Well, this is
the reason you just said bra was quite unfair. I
don't know if it was a throwaway line, but you
just said before Sexton just didn't quite get there. Surely
that's debatable. He took them to the top of them everything,
everything is debatable. But he took them to the table
a second, so he did get them.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know what I'm saying is is he didn't get
to the level that they wanted in attack. They didn't
evolve enough to match the likes of Melbourne, Canberra, even
the Broncos with their attack.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Their defense is great.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now Serreno's put his balls online here he's going to
get He's happy to take a few steps back right
now over this eight week period to then get in
six to eight weeks where they want to be.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It may not work.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
This is a risk and I've said that all along
and I'm not taking that back.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It has been a distraction. But finally we've wanted a call.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know, this uncertainty and off the bench should go
to nine and you come on and play in the
Burt in the center that's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
He's made the call.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And it's a brave call. Like you look at what
Billy did in the State of origin. You know he's
he's backed himself that he's made the right call. But
going back to the Bulldog's attack, remember also that Stephen
Crichton wasn't there on the weekend. When you think of
their strengths.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
They got a five right and kick number nine to
pin all your attack on seven when there's a six
that's played eighteenth man, you've got two big centers, You've.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Got to fall back and you've got a number nine.
They've all need to step.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Up because you know, like even going back to Cameron's
comments last week about it, you can't understand, you know,
the ridiculous attention that Lachlin's received. This takes it to
the next levels, it really does.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's not you to think that, you know, that's where
I disagree with Cameron, Like it's even to think or
be surprised by the attention this is received.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And it's going to continue. You know, it's going to
keep it.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
We'll go up to the next level now because the
Bulldog season is writing on this decision now, because you
know that they're at top four certainty, and a lot
of people considered them rightly so as a team that
could have won the comp without.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
This change, and just to go back to sex and
has done a magnificent job he has, like there is
no denying that. And I feel sorry for him, and
I've defended him a lot of the year, but I
can see looking at the stats was an opener to me,
looking at the zero line breaks, and you know he
was down the bottom of warharves and the competition in
terms of line break assists and all that, and it
(24:40):
is harsh, but you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Look, I agree with the attack breath, and I agree
again that they probably do need some spark there. But
why are we trying to find a negative and a positive?
Whatever they have been doing, whether it's been right or wrong,
they are still in the top two, So who's to
say they desperately need an overhaul and attack? I think
they do, But the general consensus is why it's working.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Could be like Tiger Woods, he changed the swing.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
There, Honestly it could.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And this is the thing here, right like the head
coaches made the He's made the call, and he will
live and die by that, as they all do, you know,
but I think he's made the right one, you know,
having more of a deeper look into it the last
couple of days, Bulldog's bite.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
What he got for us? Do you bulldogs? By what
I've done? Brother? Is?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I thought? I just questioned the amount of scrutiny that
the public and those on podcasts and the media to
some degree have on coaches this year. I've added up
there's eight coaches who have been under the pump and
we are nineteen rounds in. Just because you have some
short term failures or a lack of success. You don't
(25:44):
need to target them and to sack them. Hasler, Peyton, Seabold, McGuire, O'Brien,
Marshall and now Bennett. And you want to throw in Lourie,
you can as well. Eight coaches who have been under
the pump. It's July and the season started in March.
It's got to stop. I think we have to start
giving coaches a little bit more time. Yes, I know,
(26:06):
we in the media have to hold coaches and everyone
in the game accountable. Why are you smiling, Broke because
we started the show on Adam O'Brien.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
Such a nice career, such a nice way we have
to critique.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
But I think this this.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Collective Billy Slater last week?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Let me is this because jobs.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Exactly collectives on the chopping balls now rivaling the E
p L and the NFL in America, and I just
think it's becoming increasingly unfair talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I get your response to this.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I just think that I think that it comes with
the job.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I remember one time I was on a drive somewhere
and a local policeman is in the coffee shop and
he's come outside and he wanted to have a chat
and that time it was a Tiger supporter and he
felt really sorry for Michael McGuire and what he was
going through. And I said, mate, you know what I said.
I understand what you're saying, but save your sympathy. Michael
(27:12):
McGuire was on six hundred or seven hundred thousand dollars.
You know, the policeman's out there probably on one hundred
and twenty nurses, doctors, everyone in their life has pressure
on him. That comes with the paypacker. When you're in,
when you're in the big chair, mate's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
That's a low blog, Dog, I loved your gord.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You know what was three.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Losses now and everyone jumps on the coach's back. Three
That's not true, that's not true.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
What about what this plot went through about a month
and a half ago.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, but I was gone but made. Unfortunately, Dog,
these days there is there is so much focus on
rugby league, and you respond and you analyze and comment
about what's happening in the moment things change. Unfortunately, it
just it's part of the deal.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You're okay, love your work.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Stick your journized this Sunday from ten a m.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Team zero fights to become a two time world champion,
live from Las Vegas. It's the only Australian fight worth
watching next week and it's only on at nine event.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That's a bad cut blood and cut hard for split decision.
You should have killed me in the first because I'm
coming back with the revenge the.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Way I like to.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Phase two just break faces and I'm going in there
too to hurt him.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Stick.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
True boy.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Any means love things, only hate division Champion of the World.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Too many heality mortality,
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