Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Tueaday July 1st, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
Joined by Dean 'Bulldog/Bullfrog' Ritchie and Paul Crawley, the boys discuss Billy Slater's future as Queensland coach, whether Nathan Cleary has already conquered State of Origin, and Lachie Galvin's social media dig at the Tigers.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
L three sixty rugby league from every angle, joining me
agetting the great Gonzales in poor Crawley and d and
Richie Bullfrog.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You've done it again.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
What's happened?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
If you're a jinx? Why every year?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're right, you write these stories every year a month
ago and.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Our things gone since then? Does we still talk to you?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's let's just read the quote.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, A once proud rugby league state has descended from
the picture. By the way, once proud rugby league state
has descended from showcase to basketcase. Queensland footballers could audition
to be contestants on The Biggest Loser and.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
At the time Dune the fourth it was spot on.
But you inspired a state mate. So they comes after
Origin one defeat. Then the Broncos catch fire, the Dolphins
catch fire.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's obvious what they win Game two.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's obvious they've read the column and realize that they
pull their fingers out.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thus it's happened.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Queensland is like, we have this thing called the Statesman
and you've got to play thirty games.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You're one of them for us. There's Arthur Beaten and
you got.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
You.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I'm just saying every time you do it, like the
last time you called them the worst Queensland team ever.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And they what do they do? They were the worst?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Quick I will go back to Adam moulk Adam who
Adam who he goes out, has an absolute blinder that
you have to write an apology work?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
How many times? When are you're going to learn crawls?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
There's an old saying once wise man told me, which
was me a couple of games, that your win doesn't
make your season. The long way to go Origin is
still got one Origin to gate.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
One to go Cowboys Broncos type.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
In the format lesson what side are you on here? Both?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm not anyone side.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm a respected distinguished journalist.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I go straight down the middle. You've got here a
Cowboys support.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's a nice love the starting the show, okay has momentum,
momentum off the back of that has the momentum shifted
now and Queensland are they in favor now?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Over? The Blues were not.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well Game one game too. You don't know which one
you want? Like the series was on the line and
I reckon now that I reckon the game is on
a nice urge. I think Queen's are going to really
channel what they did in the first half and what
they got to fix for the second half, and they
were done a lot of a lot of confidence out.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Of game to New south Wales would have confidence.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
New south Wales would have got confidence out of the
second half of absolutely. I think when you look at
the two teams on paper and especially on the edges,
there's New south Wales and the back five.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
New south Wales do have an advantage. They just do.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But I truly believe almost that the biggest story line
in the build up to this decider and also it
will follow, is the coaching storyline. Because on one side
of the equation we have Billy Slater, who has lost
the last two series, who probably got shown up with
some of his selections for Game one. He fought back,
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he's got them back into the series. But the fact
of the matter is you can't lose three Origin series
in a row and expect to be safe. On the
other side of the corn, you've got Lourie who for
years was probably unfairly tarnished with the fact that he
came up against that great Queensland team. He's came back
for redemption. He picked an outstanding side for Game one.
Their discipline and their quality of play let them down
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in Game two. It just did, and yet they can't
afford to lose this series. I think the biggest pressure
is on both coaches.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Who's under more pressure?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I think Billy Slater is for sure, given he's been
in the hot seat for a couple of years now,
why he just got it to me and I look
at Bill, I don't see a smile on his face.
It doesn't look like a coach who's enjoying his coaching.
Madge threw him under some pressure last year. There was
the Glasshouses comment, and then when Billy locked away the
media magic came out and said New South Wales is
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the people's team, and it ultimately ended up with Billy
losing the series. I just don't know whether Billy looks
like he's a coach that's enjoying it. And I have
no mail here, Gordon, and I have no intuition other
than the fact that in my head I'm thinking after.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
This series, win, lose or draw.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It just would not shock me if Billy said, you
know what, I've had enough.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I do think that Billy showed great courage.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
He made a mistake with the Paul Green reference before
Game two, right, But where he showed courage was on
the day of the game. He called Paul Green's family
and he apologized and then he got down to business.
And there's no question in the world that inspired his
team because they played with inspiration. And then after the game,
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even after the game, when Cameron Munster was interviewed, he
is that fired up by it. He couldn't he couldn't
hold his language on TV. But it just showed that
had been a driving force leading into that game.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Billy was on the show the first two games, and
he was on Chilling nine as well, and if you'd noticed,
he didn't come on here last night and he wasn't
on Chill and nine. So I don't know if that
sort of leans into his owner pressure or he's just
he's bunkering down because he normally give so much.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
He normally gives so much. I regon it's the ladder.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I reckon if you before the ball was kicked, if
you wrote down both teams, who do you think would
have won the series? Who was favorite? So they're on
a more pressure than Queensland. And I've never seen Billy
Slader walk away from the challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It looks physically drained, it does you.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I've watched when he watched Kevy Walters, I've watched Alexander.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Every person that gets put into that hot so that
drains have made.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Because it's because it's got two states sitting there hoping
and praying that their state wins, the team win.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's high pressure and the players and coaches feel at
Maroon's Bolta. Gammi Shibasaki has revealed how Heart's a Heart
from Patrick Carrying sparked his journey back into the NROL
six months ago.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Four months ago, you know, I didn't have a contract.
I was just scraping through, trying to fight my way
through the preseason, just trying to get fit for the
Cup season. Really, so I'm in the development deal. So
obviously it's still got a lot to prove. And I
was pretty happy with just working and playing footy, like
you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That that that sort of lifetile.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I was just pretty content with that.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
But then Hatty and that came to town with all
the US the cowboys and had he under them, and
that sort of just it lit the fire again and
just wake up his self sort of thing, and it
was just like, because me and Patty are really closer,
He's just like he can tell me those sort of things,
and he's like.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Just come back for another run, just come for a chain, come.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Live with me if you want, and stuff like that.
So he's now he's asking for a few money.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's an amazing story, the fairy tale of Game three.
Shibasaki from nowhere has put himself in a position to
play State of Origin and rugby League where only probably
six eight months ago would have thought he was no chance.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But what an opportunity is for him. Good.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, playing for the Towns or Blackhawks there in the
Queensland Cup. And as I said, he just needed something
to prompt him. He's that he's got another cracker. I
think he was a Bronco under twenty. He played pretty
good and then you know he just went away and
for some reason or another, and I reckon, there was
hard work here. He is playing for the Towns or
Blackhawks and then they signed with South Sydney. Maybe you
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got to sniff again and maybe thought I'd have one
more crack at it, and he worked really hard. And
to all those young kids out there that think that
they're on the scrap heap. I reckon it's a great
lesson for him.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
He was fantastic against the Warriors on the weekend. I
still found it.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
An amazing care But it shows you the faith that
Billy Slater obviously has in him because he's marking up
against Stephen Crichton, the best center in the game, the
guy that can he can.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Turn it on in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Sure, and he can turn the game, as he almost
did again in game two.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Gord you want to ask you this. He's a victory
for a durability and desire. I get that. But early
released Broncos nineteen, told.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
He can go, told he can go from Newcastle, in
twenty twenty one, told he can go from North Queensland
Cowboys in twenty twenty three. Plays two games for SOUS
last year and they don't need him anymore. He then
goes and plays a bit of rugby in the middle
of it all. You look at the great centers of Queensland. Gordy, Gregingless,
Gene Miles, Chris Melmaninger, Steve Reynolds. I question to you
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is is this Shibasaki up to the standard of state
of origin.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I'll tell you something he doesn't have to be any
of those guys. He's got to go there and make
his tackles and runs. If we win or lose, it's
not going to because at SHIVASARKI, he's going to go
out there and he's got to play his role. If
we're putting pressure of Queensland and looking at him to
save this series, we're barking up the wrong tree. But
that young kid getting his chance to pull on that
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jersey and do his job, he'll make us doing it again.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Dog, you're doing it again because of origin. It's fact.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It is the fact that those clubs let him go.
But if you go back over the history of Origin,
Queensland have done at time and again the ninety five,
the great ninety five story where they went in without
all ther or Super League players and they did the unthinkable.
They did it in twenty twenty. If Billy's got the
faith in him, well then surely you.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Can't help yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Forty five games in seven years of NRL. So I'm
trying not to be disrespectful. I'm just really asking there's
a level Instate of Origin, and it's an elite level.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Twenty six I think is I'll give.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
You a little stat A bloke played at thirty five
his first.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Game, what was his name?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Got me?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Arthur beat them?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
There he goes, it doesn't matter, beats no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Okay, the point is he's playing for us. Worry about
your team. He'll be okay, he'll be okay, you're really concerned.
But an't you what you're throwing their toy o. He's
played three games.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He'll be right after this.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
He's going to give me a written apology if I'm right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You heard me. He wants a written apology if you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But I'm hesitant because of history and because of seeing
these unknowns or players come from nowhere and deliver on
the biggest stage of all and be heroes for Queensland.
Shibasaki is a surprise, but I've picked him not but
I'm not going to criticize him all critique.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I was eighteen, no one, the coach didn't know
who he was, and he went out there.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
He scored a try our favorite place.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I've said probably Nate Miles probably wouldn't have played one
game for New South Wales. He played thirty for US
and thirty amazing games.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Won about Josh Papali.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
He has regained selection for Queensland after his great form
for Canberra and Crawls.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're a big fan of this.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, well I thought the whole way through.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I remember we sat out the back after the first
game Gordon and I said, would you pick Josh Papally?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He did and he said yeah I would and I
just saw to him.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
So his form for the Raiders this year has been incredible,
him and Joey to Pine and the way they team up,
the inspiration of the Blake, his Warrior, His forms been
great and also the fact you know it was people
say Josh Papally he retired from Origin. He retired from
Origin after Billy retired him in twenty twenty three. He
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wasn't picked and then he said it's time for you know,
the new generation to take over. But you know Bennett
did it with Alfie back in was that two thousand
and one. He brought him back and it provided an inspiration.
It's a point of difference that they haven't had this yet.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Surprise surprise, But you're not sol on this one.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I love Papa Brath. He's just about my favorite player. Then,
no real the question I asked though, is the speed
of the game has.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Become very quick at all level. He's coping exceptionally well.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
We say that it'll be week with the Raiders, but
the pace of State of Origin is up another gear
or two. Yes, my only question is can Papa keep
up with the pace late at each half with a
bit of footwork and a bit of speed.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Is he up to it? I'm sure he will be.
I'm just throwing the crystal ball. I don't think he'll
be on late in any half. Okay, if he comes
on and plays fifteen minutes and does his job in
fifteen minutes, that'll be good enough for us.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, that's fair, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Nathan Cleary continues to recover from a growing strain and
he's no certainty to take on the kitting duties for
the Blue.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Feeling really good at the moment. And I've said a
pretty tough game on Thursday night against the dog Is.
I think that's good primer for it and sp we
would have loved to won in Perth, but that's gone
and being now, so it's about focus on this game
and focus on a really good preparation so we're able
to play well next Wednesday night and get the win.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Will you be kicking before the next game. I'm not
too sure yet. It's probably same.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
We'll speak about over the next twenty four hours and
sort of have it. I guess come to a conclusion
on it by the time we train on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think Cleary was very good against the Bulldogs on
the weekend. He's got eight more days until Origin the decider,
and his coach Laurria Dally said he won't be kicking
goals most likely last night when we interviewed him. I
saw lax Zach Lomax interview today and the Daily Telegraph
saying that he will most likely kick. So I think
it's fair to say he won't be kicking goals, but
you know, eight days.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
The way he played on the weekend is kicking.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Game will be fine and I think he'll be next
to We'll need to one hundred percent by the time
he takes a field, and.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
His general kicking is the big thing too, isn't it
like we kicked out first kick on the full in
game one. Leui took over the duties and it went out.
I think he put one dead. It's so important that
Cleary can take charge of the kicking game, but I
think that he said it just then that game against
the Bulldogs was the perfect preparation. There's always question marks
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going into every Origin series that Nathan Cleary is yet
to conquer this, but for me, it's like he's that
performance against the Bulldogs because almost like he's primed himself
to conquer his final frontier in rugby league and this
is his final frontier.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He's a full time premiership winner.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Can I ask you why does this come up every
year with Nason? I think he's already conquer State of Origin.
He's won three series. If he wins this series, that
takes him to four. There's only one other halfback who's
one more.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That's Andrew Johns at five and one of those series.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yes, Joey did play hooker for one of those series.
But if Nathan's got full series victories, I don't think
he's got anything to conquer.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I can't work out why this.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Constant barrage of people switch seeing him over Origin. And
I don't think everyone is bagging him over it. They're
just saying that he probably hasn't performed consistently in Origin
as he has in Clubland. And you know there has
been standout performances. There was a game in Perth, wasn't
there a couple of years ago where he played one
of the great Origin performances.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
No question he stood up at that level.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But he hasn't owned a series like the really great
Origin players have over time.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Hasn't only won one series defining game? Is that right?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Like a you've caught me off guard?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
There all games in the series. I think I don't
think it's anyone bagging that.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's just I just don't know what people want want.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I think we're comparing to.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
The pedestal because because when you go and you play
against Andrew Johnson, he's here, Well that's the level. You
don't drop Joey's level and go, oh well he's won
for it's the style, the way Andrew played and dominated
like that. There's some games where he sort of beat Queensland.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
On his own.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
There's some games where Alan Langer was so good against
you and Jonathan Thurston was so good that they that
if they don't play you know, Queensland on New South
Wales don't win. I think that's the level that those
guys have played.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That he's already a greater the game. I think it's
more of that immortal status. Yes, you can't say he's
played ever played a game.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Like Joey did in Origin. So would he be in
New South Wales's greatest halfback?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
In my opinion, I would have Andrew Johns as the
greatest halfback. But that's not a criticism and.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
He doesn't need a priven it in anyone either. Like
he's done it, he's done a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But I actually think, I actually think that he will
get me in the match and he will dominate his
game through.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I think it's his time.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
More so, what about his groin?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
So what's the difference between general played kicking and goal
kicking with your growl?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's hard, depends on the groin.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I've had torn groins and they can annoy you for
the whole year. You know, it's hard with changing the direction.
It's hard for long kicks. That's why I didn't do
much of it in the first game. But and to
be fair, they don't heal quick and only you have
to reattach have surgery and they reattached them within six weeks.
Your fine and one hundred percent. But I don't know
the severity of it, so I can't really come in on.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Do you agree though it was vital for New South
Wales's chances?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yes, that he is definitely the main.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Kick, definitely and we saw that is it weather cold
and slippery outside, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's in Sydney.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It's always always I don't do yesterday said he would
do the bulk of kicking in general play. It was
just the goalkicking with that pressure when your body where
your leg swings across your body that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You're forward, which there's an issue there. If he's not kicking,
there's an issue.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
But brak you.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
There's twenty six players that they've probably got bumps and
bruises to be fair at this time of year.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All right, let's take a look at the ins and out.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's around eighteen all thanks to sports Beck Lotlin Galvin
named on the bench for the Bulldogs. Cobo Record at
fullback for the Broncos, Tyrell Sloan returns on the winning
for the Dragon send and Smith returns from knee injury
for the Roosters.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Adam do it five.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Eight to river at fullback for the Tigers, DoD on
the bench or that I'm hearing you won't play and
Brandon Smith on the extended bench.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Now Smith's got to play, hasn't he. I don't know.
He's had a bet.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Well, that's got to be a Bennett master stroke, and
that if if you name Brandon Smith the player he
is where Souse are at he plays.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
They're saying they're saying they're going to give him to
a sad day, And I asked, why would you give
him a sad day and playing silly buggers here? Because
if he's named on the extended bench and they think
he's ready to play in South Sydney have now lost
was it their last five? Yes, last five games and
they're sitting second last on the ladder. They need everything,
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they need everything. Well they have got latrell As Cobo
feel he's been basically not driven out of the joint,
but was off at a contract that was clearly inferior.
He signed with another club mid season for next year.
Now they're bought him back, thrown him back at full back.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, I think he's.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I think he's playing his favorite positions, so I think
he'll go at there and play. That's the best thing
about players normally they're really professional and that's their safe
place when they're around their team mate. So I got
no doubt he'll go there and try his best. But
he'd have mixed the motions, wouldn't They.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean his headspace, where's it at? He's
been told basically he can leave the club. Now they
call him back in as an SOS to save our season.
I can see wise of it and one of go
to the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Sorry about lockey Galvin. He is named to play for
the Bulldogs. He'll come off the bench, but he's had
a little cheeky post about the bully his mate Silver.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't know if you guys read much about that's bullying.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I didn't particularly like it both to be fair, I
mean we condemned those at the West Tigers that went
online to criticize Lachlan when he was leaving the club.
It ended up being a suing a bullying allegation rather,
and now Lachlan's gone and done something quite similar. There's
no individuals involved in this case, but Lachland's clearly having
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a dig at the Tigers with the good good.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Luck emoji and the smiley wink. I just think it
was unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He copped the run of it when he was there
and didn't particularly like it, so now I wondering why
when he's left, does he want to.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Throw a couple of rocks back at the West Oigers.
It's just dumb, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Like in a social media gets a lot of people
into trouble. He probably didn't mean much by it. He
probably didn't cruels, but you know the.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Tigers Blakes met much by it as well.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I agree with what you say.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I personally thought at the time that wasn't that wasn't bullying.
I was then making a statement about their own coach
and their club.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
That's what that was. But this is obviously that he's
the cheeking emoji there.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's that's that's a slap in the face for the
Tiger's no question in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
While we're on Talent de Silva, we spoke about last
night the two journals went at about him leaving.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
What did you guys think about this situation. I look
as you're discussing it. I can't make sense of what
the Tigers are doing here. And I know I said
here last week and said that Selwyn Cobble should have
been released. I thought he should have been released from
the Broncos. But I see that as a completely different
situation because one the Broncos don't want him for next year.
They've insulted him with the offer that they did to
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keep him, and he doesn't have a future at the club.
Talon to Silver apparently has told rich Oh he wanted
to stay at the club, yet they've let him go.
They had him signed for this year and next, and
as Gordon said, what happened to fighting, what happened to
fighting for the top spot in that team. You look
at clubs and he's a good comparison. You look at
what the Tigers have done with these players of late
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and the system that is almost forcing these young players
out of the game. And then you go to a
club like Melbourne where you've got Jonah Pezzant, you've got
wish Hart, you've got fale Ogo, these sort of guys
that are playing those back up roles, but they're more
than prepared to spend three years of their career so
they get a chance to be a part of that
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Melbourne system, learn under Craig Bell and learn alongside these
great players, and that's where their systems at. And then
you've got the Tiger system that just happily lets them
walk out the.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Door What did you guys make of this quote from.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Shane richardson once we decided to resign Appy, it would
have been wrong of us to hold the Silver back.
I think that set's a very dangerous priest. So in future,
any player that is resigned, does that mean other players
at the club who play in the same pasi may
will be free to go?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah? I find it odd. I do like this.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
This would happen a lot of You know, if you're
not starting, it's not the end of the world. And
if you add his age, which is very young, you've
got the whole career, whole life.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Ahead of you. You know, you don't need to be
a bullet agate.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And if you don't get your own way, it doesn't
mean that you just leave the club eighteen months in advance.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You're one hundred percent right, because I was talking to
a rival chief executive today who was telling me that
they've had several players who have you know, pushing for
their opportunity, that have asked for a left.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
No is the answer that they get.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So break your points very valid, But are you blaming
the silver for wanting to leave?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's okay if that's his prerogative if that's what he
wants to do.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But we all want to do things in life that
we can't because we've signed contracts, or we've made deals
with people, or it's just too bad, you know, But
you don't just get out.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I mean, they've let him go, so it's not it's
the clubs, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I don't see how it would have been untenable either,
if he still liked the place and he was happy there.
How is it untenable? You know, Like, you don't need
to play happy for eighty minutes either.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You can play more happy. He's getting on.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
There's still a year and a half to go appy.
You can get injuries. He's the backup hooker.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
It doesn't make sense to me, not a sustainable theory.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It isn't right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
The Tigers have won more this year than this time
last year, and they have so won more at this
stage this year than last year.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Have they improved?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I think they've won one more game at this stage
this year as opposed to last year. He's the thing
everyone keeps saying. The Tigers have improved, and they have improved.
The football they're playing has improved.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But guess what. So is their roster and we're another
year down.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
The track and have they improved this year to the
point that we expected.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, no, they haven't. They're one win off the bottom
of the ladder up that's all there is.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
They go out against the Roosters this weekend and there's
a chance they end up on the bottom. They haven't
improved at the rate where you could where you're aligning them.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
To their recruitment.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
They had a pretty strong offseason recruitment Tigers, so given
who they lured to the club, they should be in
a stronger Drame Loueye True Terrell may like you know.
And so yeah, there's no question in the world they're
playing better football.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Good but not good.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So they have improved, but probably with the quality of
players all right.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
With the Bulldogs in front against the running premiers, Camera
Serato injected Lachlan Galvin into the game, but it was
Nathan Cleary who stole the show.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Bulldogs have lost only two matches this year. Suddenly the
full time cham has won three in a row. They
got to run it kind of flick past sext nice plan.
I'm playing a man, he's the president. It's a beautiful
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dram and a Bulldogs. Fuck Galvin is on for Cannibury.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Sol I'm gonna so much fatigue in the game and
read it done a lot of work in the middle
and really good opportunity to get Lockie on.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Burton chucks out, clearly taps up with the nights he play.
This is why he's play of the smartest players here.
Game shot me on the outside front of your plane.
Oh well, Canterbory, are you going to get a penalty
and you're down by two and you've knocked back the
(25:39):
chance to kick two? Last player the match, hold on
nothing Sexton Heywen, right side down burn look down, Bob
with having a sideline and it's one of the.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Matches in a season that was the turning point thanks.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
To actually centers and has Surroundo created a headache trying
to squeeze galved into this side.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, Cameron came out himself.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It'said he had to plan ab and c for camera
for Lochland Galvin, but at some point in the next
few weeks break he's going to have to settle on
one of those plans. Going into August, that's when you
start to make your run for the finals. That's when
you've got your best team on the field. That's when
you start to gain momentum. I don't think you can
keep playing around me slide. He's got to have to
make the call. It'll be a tough call. But you
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can't tell me they signed Lochland Galman and didn't know
the plan. They must have known where he was going
to play and how effective he was going to be. Yeah, look,
you can have a, B and C plans, but at
the end of the day, you've got to do what
you think in that moment is the best thing for
your team. And you tell me Broth was that best
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for the Bulldogs when that change happened the other day?
Because Sex has been playing so good Marnie's Marney's so
good in the middle that those two and Tracy combined
to set up that one and only try for Preston.
It seemed to change the course of the game when
he came on.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, it's unusual in a game that's played like a
seventi five, one of the highest quality games of the year,
you keep playmaker. Sex is almost the best on the field,
creates their only opportunity to read Marney, and then when
the game's on the line, you take imerving and you
bring on a new half. It is very unusual. We've
been speaking about it for a long time now. I
thought they may have made the call this week and
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just said, all right, Galvin, you're going into seven. But
maybe they're happy with sex than at seven now. But
they're going to be left with when do we put
him on? Where do we put him? Is it going
to disrupt our team? How is our dynamics, our cohesion?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You know? Galvin came on and tried hard, was heavily.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Involved, but couldn't dissect or get through the defensive line.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You've been big on this, Gordy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Be happy.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
You picked your best seventeen right, and you can't keep
them all happy. There's no plan A, plan B, plan
C if Lockie Galvin. If you carry someone like that,
he comes on and he feels like he comes on,
feels him wherever he is needed. You don't take off
at number seven, right. That's the luxury.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Carry a number, Kuba Krong said in the call, and
it was. He was spot on the winning try which
was clearly charged down on Burton. When it's Sexton and Burton,
they both share the long kicking game more. But when
Gavin comes on, he takes a back seat, and it's
all Burton, and it was when Burton was out there.
So Cleary is being as smart as he and as
a leaders he is. He knew that it was Arnie
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Burton that could possibly kick. He was going to kick
no matter what, there was no other option. He charged
him down and that was the difference. So if you
actually peel it back, if Galvin's not on the field
and Sexton is, they got two options to kick and
maybe they win the game.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So I know that's probably looking pretty deep into it,
but it is a fair point.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
That's what Clearing clearly knew.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And and and you know, there were suggestions that Nathan
might have might have been off side because he got
up that quick, but an actual fact, he wasn't. And
it was just a really really smart player, as you said,
where he zoned in on knowing there's.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No other option.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Burton couldn't have done anything else apart from not kick it,
which he probably shouldn't have, right, But that's easier said
than done. But you know, these are the sorts of
little problems that they're running into now that they wouldn't
have if they had.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
They're causing on themselves.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Just bite the bullet Sexton and read Marney until they
don't get.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
The job done.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
In the perfect world, Galvin would have come next year, right,
did a full pre season and won one of the jerseys,
right the seven or the six.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
He'll make the tough call karents about what is.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The tough call? What do we think? What's he going
to do?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
The tough call is what he thinks is going to
be best for them, But what is the premiership? Personally,
I would leave Sexton there. I think he's led him
to the top of the table. He deserves to be
dropped and I would have him as my number seven.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Where would you have Gay deserve grade?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Possibly? Great?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, because it happened their bench is coming now there
he got softly softly crawels because this is a new
kid on the block, is a young gun. He'll be
there for the next five or six years and we
think he will develop into a star. Is sialdo just
taking it slowly, deliberately, just to make this kid feel
like he's at at home. When Lachlan Galvin first turned
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up at the Bulldogs in that first game, and and
he went on the field and he really straightened up
the attack and you're thinking yourself, this is going to
make them a better team. But to his credit, Sexton
has stepped up and he's playing more direct now and
he's you know, he's he's he's lifted for the challenge.
And reed, Marty does so much work, so much work
that Sexton as when he goes into dummy Hill.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Wasn't when you do that, it wasn't broke.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's it wasn't broken, and it's not broken now. So
we're not saying they're gone, but I think they've got
to get it right. Whatever that is, whatever dynamic, if
they leave him on the bench, if they put him
at seven, whatever it is, they need to work it
out over the next month because they can't be doing
this for the next four to six weeks heading into
the finals when they were sitting so pretty.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Because also we.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
All know what the noise starts getting loud if they
lose a couple more games, which I don't think they will,
but the noise gets loud of the pressure builds and
sometimes you implode, and we.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Don't want that to happen with the Boone knows who's
going to be able to join it, bro who that
is We are yet to know, but someone will have
the shits.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think that's yeah, probably all right. Stick around journal
is just ahead. We chat live to Paddy Carrigan and
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Richie Bullfrog.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You've done it again.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
What's happened?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
If you're a jinx? Why every year?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're right, you write these stories every year a month
ago and.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Our things gone since then? Does we still talk to you?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's let's just read the quote.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay, A once proud rugby league state has descended from
the picture. By the way, once proud rugby league state
has descended from showcase to basketcase. Queensland footballers could audition
to be contestants on The Biggest Loser and.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
At the time Dune the fourth it was spot on.
But you inspired a state mate. So they comes after
Origin one defeat. Then the Broncos catch fire, the Dolphins
catch fire.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's obvious what they win Game two.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's obvious they've read the column and realize that they
pull their fingers out.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thus it's happened.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Queensland is like, we have this thing called the Statesman
and you've got to play thirty games.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You're one of them for us. There's Arthur Beaten and
you got.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
You.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I'm just saying every time you do it, like the
last time you called them the worst Queensland team ever.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And they what do they do? They were the worst?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Quick I will go back to Adam moulk Adam who
Adam who he goes out, has an absolute blinder that
you have to write an apology work?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
How many times? When are you're going to learn crawls?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
There's an old saying once wise man told me, which
was me a couple of games, that your win doesn't
make your season. The long way to go Origin is
still got one Origin to gate.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
One to go Cowboys Broncos type.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
In the format lesson what side are you on here? Both?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm not anyone side.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm a respected distinguished journalist.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I go straight down the middle. You've got here a
Cowboys support.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's a nice love the starting the show, okay has momentum,
momentum off the back of that has the momentum shifted
now and Queensland are they in favor now?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Over? The Blues were not.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well Game one game too. You don't know which one
you want? Like the series was on the line and
I reckon now that I reckon the game is on
a nice urge. I think Queen's are going to really
channel what they did in the first half and what
they got to fix for the second half, and they
were done a lot of a lot of confidence out.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Of game to New south Wales would have confidence.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
New south Wales would have got confidence out of the
second half of absolutely. I think when you look at
the two teams on paper and especially on the edges,
there's New south Wales and the back five.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
New south Wales do have an advantage. They just do.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But I truly believe almost that the biggest story line
in the build up to this decider and also it
will follow, is the coaching storyline. Because on one side
of the equation we have Billy Slater, who has lost
the last two series, who probably got shown up with
some of his selections for Game one. He fought back,
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he's got them back into the series. But the fact
of the matter is you can't lose three Origin series
in a row and expect to be safe. On the
other side of the corn, you've got Lourie who for
years was probably unfairly tarnished with the fact that he
came up against that great Queensland team. He's came back
for redemption. He picked an outstanding side for Game one.
Their discipline and their quality of play let them down
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in Game two. It just did, and yet they can't
afford to lose this series. I think the biggest pressure
is on both coaches.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Who's under more pressure?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I think Billy Slater is for sure, given he's been
in the hot seat for a couple of years now,
why he just got it to me and I look
at Bill, I don't see a smile on his face.
It doesn't look like a coach who's enjoying his coaching.
Madge threw him under some pressure last year. There was
the Glasshouses comment, and then when Billy locked away the
media magic came out and said New South Wales is
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the people's team, and it ultimately ended up with Billy
losing the series. I just don't know whether Billy looks
like he's a coach that's enjoying it. And I have
no mail here, Gordon, and I have no intuition other
than the fact that in my head I'm thinking after.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
This series, win, lose or draw.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
It just would not shock me if Billy said, you
know what, I've had enough.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I do think that Billy showed great courage.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
He made a mistake with the Paul Green reference before
Game two, right, But where he showed courage was on
the day of the game. He called Paul Green's family
and he apologized and then he got down to business.
And there's no question in the world that inspired his
team because they played with inspiration. And then after the game,
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even after the game, when Cameron Munster was interviewed, he
is that fired up by it. He couldn't he couldn't
hold his language on TV. But it just showed that
had been a driving force leading into that game.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Billy was on the show the first two games, and
he was on Chilling nine as well, and if you'd noticed,
he didn't come on here last night and he wasn't
on Chill and nine. So I don't know if that
sort of leans into his owner pressure or he's just
he's bunkering down because he normally give so much.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
He normally gives so much. I regon it's the ladder.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I reckon if you before the ball was kicked, if
you wrote down both teams, who do you think would
have won the series? Who was favorite? So they're on
a more pressure than Queensland. And I've never seen Billy
Slader walk away from the challenge.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It looks physically drained, it does you.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I've watched when he watched Kevy Walters, I've watched Alexander.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Every person that gets put into that hot so that
drains have made.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Because it's because it's got two states sitting there hoping
and praying that their state wins, the team win.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's high pressure and the players and coaches feel at
Maroon's Bolta. Gammi Shibasaki has revealed how Heart's a Heart
from Patrick Carrying sparked his journey back into the NROL
six months ago.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Four months ago, you know, I didn't have a contract.
I was just scraping through, trying to fight my way
through the preseason, just trying to get fit for the
Cup season. Really, so I'm in the development deal. So
obviously it's still got a lot to prove. And I
was pretty happy with just working and playing footy, like
you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That that that sort of lifetile.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I was just pretty content with that.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
But then Hatty and that came to town with all
the US the cowboys and had he under them, and
that sort of just it lit the fire again and
just wake up his self sort of thing, and it
was just like, because me and Patty are really closer,
He's just like he can tell me those sort of things,
and he's like.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Just come back for another run, just come for a chain, come.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Live with me if you want, and stuff like that.
So he's now he's asking for a few money.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's an amazing story, the fairy tale of Game three.
Shibasaki from nowhere has put himself in a position to
play State of Origin and rugby League where only probably
six eight months ago would have thought he was no chance.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But what an opportunity is for him. Good.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah, playing for the Towns or Blackhawks there in the
Queensland Cup. And as I said, he just needed something
to prompt him. He's that he's got another cracker. I
think he was a Bronco under twenty. He played pretty
good and then you know he just went away and
for some reason or another, and I reckon, there was
hard work here. He is playing for the Towns or
Blackhawks and then they signed with South Sydney. Maybe you
(07:32):
got to sniff again and maybe thought I'd have one
more crack at it, and he worked really hard. And
to all those young kids out there that think that
they're on the scrap heap. I reckon it's a great
lesson for him.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
He was fantastic against the Warriors on the weekend. I
still found it.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
An amazing care But it shows you the faith that
Billy Slater obviously has in him because he's marking up
against Stephen Crichton, the best center in the game, the
guy that can he can.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Turn it on in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Sure, and he can turn the game, as he almost
did again in game two.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Gord you want to ask you this. He's a victory
for a durability and desire. I get that. But early
released Broncos nineteen, told.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
He can go, told he can go from Newcastle, in
twenty twenty one, told he can go from North Queensland
Cowboys in twenty twenty three. Plays two games for SOUS
last year and they don't need him anymore. He then
goes and plays a bit of rugby in the middle
of it all. You look at the great centers of Queensland. Gordy, Gregingless,
Gene Miles, Chris Melmaninger, Steve Reynolds. I question to you
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is is this Shibasaki up to the standard of state
of origin.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I'll tell you something he doesn't have to be any
of those guys. He's got to go there and make
his tackles and runs. If we win or lose, it's
not going to because at SHIVASARKI, he's going to go
out there and he's got to play his role. If
we're putting pressure of Queensland and looking at him to
save this series, we're barking up the wrong tree. But
that young kid getting his chance to pull on that
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jersey and do his job, he'll make us doing it again.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Dog, you're doing it again because of origin. It's fact.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It is the fact that those clubs let him go.
But if you go back over the history of Origin,
Queensland have done at time and again the ninety five,
the great ninety five story where they went in without
all ther or Super League players and they did the unthinkable.
They did it in twenty twenty. If Billy's got the
faith in him, well then surely you.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Can't help yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Forty five games in seven years of NRL. So I'm
trying not to be disrespectful. I'm just really asking there's
a level Instate of Origin, and it's an elite level.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Twenty six I think is I'll give.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
You a little stat A bloke played at thirty five
his first.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Game, what was his name?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Got me?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Arthur beat them?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
There he goes, it doesn't matter, beats no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Okay, the point is he's playing for us. Worry about
your team. He'll be okay, he'll be okay, you're really concerned.
But an't you what you're throwing their toy o. He's
played three games.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He'll be right after this.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
He's going to give me a written apology if I'm right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You heard me. He wants a written apology if you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But I'm hesitant because of history and because of seeing
these unknowns or players come from nowhere and deliver on
the biggest stage of all and be heroes for Queensland.
Shibasaki is a surprise, but I've picked him not but
I'm not going to criticize him all critique.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I was eighteen, no one, the coach didn't know
who he was, and he went out there.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
He scored a try our favorite place.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I've said probably Nate Miles probably wouldn't have played one
game for New South Wales. He played thirty for US
and thirty amazing games.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Won about Josh Papali.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
He has regained selection for Queensland after his great form
for Canberra and Crawls.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're a big fan of this.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, well I thought the whole way through.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I remember we sat out the back after the first
game Gordon and I said, would you pick Josh Papally?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He did and he said yeah I would and I
just saw to him.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
So his form for the Raiders this year has been incredible,
him and Joey to Pine and the way they team up,
the inspiration of the Blake, his Warrior, His forms been
great and also the fact you know it was people
say Josh Papally he retired from Origin. He retired from
Origin after Billy retired him in twenty twenty three. He
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wasn't picked and then he said it's time for you know,
the new generation to take over. But you know Bennett
did it with Alfie back in was that two thousand
and one. He brought him back and it provided an inspiration.
It's a point of difference that they haven't had this yet.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Surprise surprise, But you're not sol on this one.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I love Papa Brath. He's just about my favorite player. Then,
no real the question I asked though, is the speed
of the game has.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Become very quick at all level. He's coping exceptionally well.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
We say that it'll be week with the Raiders, but
the pace of State of Origin is up another gear
or two. Yes, my only question is can Papa keep
up with the pace late at each half with a
bit of footwork and a bit of speed.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Is he up to it? I'm sure he will be.
I'm just throwing the crystal ball. I don't think he'll
be on late in any half. Okay, if he comes
on and plays fifteen minutes and does his job in
fifteen minutes, that'll be good enough for us.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, that's fair, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Nathan Cleary continues to recover from a growing strain and
he's no certainty to take on the kitting duties for
the Blue.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Feeling really good at the moment. And I've said a
pretty tough game on Thursday night against the dog Is.
I think that's good primer for it and sp we
would have loved to won in Perth, but that's gone
and being now, so it's about focus on this game
and focus on a really good preparation so we're able
to play well next Wednesday night and get the win.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Will you be kicking before the next game. I'm not
too sure yet. It's probably same.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
We'll speak about over the next twenty four hours and
sort of have it. I guess come to a conclusion
on it by the time we train on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think Cleary was very good against the Bulldogs on
the weekend. He's got eight more days until Origin the decider,
and his coach Laurria Dally said he won't be kicking
goals most likely last night when we interviewed him. I
saw lax Zach Lomax interview today and the Daily Telegraph
saying that he will most likely kick. So I think
it's fair to say he won't be kicking goals, but
you know, eight days.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
The way he played on the weekend is kicking.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Game will be fine and I think he'll be next
to We'll need to one hundred percent by the time
he takes a field, and.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
His general kicking is the big thing too, isn't it
like we kicked out first kick on the full in
game one. Leui took over the duties and it went out.
I think he put one dead. It's so important that
Cleary can take charge of the kicking game, but I
think that he said it just then that game against
the Bulldogs was the perfect preparation. There's always question marks
(13:55):
going into every Origin series that Nathan Cleary is yet
to conquer this, but for me, it's like he's that
performance against the Bulldogs because almost like he's primed himself
to conquer his final frontier in rugby league and this
is his final frontier.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He's a full time premiership winner.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Can I ask you why does this come up every
year with Nason? I think he's already conquer State of Origin.
He's won three series. If he wins this series, that
takes him to four. There's only one other halfback who's
one more.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
That's Andrew Johns at five and one of those series.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yes, Joey did play hooker for one of those series.
But if Nathan's got full series victories, I don't think
he's got anything to conquer.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I can't work out why this.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Constant barrage of people switch seeing him over Origin. And
I don't think everyone is bagging him over it. They're
just saying that he probably hasn't performed consistently in Origin
as he has in Clubland. And you know there has
been standout performances. There was a game in Perth, wasn't
there a couple of years ago where he played one
of the great Origin performances.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
No question he stood up at that level.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But he hasn't owned a series like the really great
Origin players have over time.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Hasn't only won one series defining game? Is that right?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Like a you've caught me off guard?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
There all games in the series. I think I don't
think it's anyone bagging that.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's just I just don't know what people want want.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I think we're comparing to.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
The pedestal because because when you go and you play
against Andrew Johnson, he's here, Well that's the level. You
don't drop Joey's level and go, oh well he's won
for it's the style, the way Andrew played and dominated
like that. There's some games where he sort of beat Queensland.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
On his own.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
There's some games where Alan Langer was so good against
you and Jonathan Thurston was so good that they that
if they don't play you know, Queensland on New South
Wales don't win. I think that's the level that those
guys have played.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That he's already a greater the game. I think it's
more of that immortal status. Yes, you can't say he's
played ever played a game.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Like Joey did in Origin. So would he be in
New South Wales's greatest halfback?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
In my opinion, I would have Andrew Johns as the
greatest halfback. But that's not a criticism and.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
He doesn't need a priven it in anyone either. Like
he's done it, he's done a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But I actually think, I actually think that he will
get me in the match and he will dominate his
game through.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I think it's his time.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
More so, what about his groin?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
So what's the difference between general played kicking and goal
kicking with your growl?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's hard, depends on the groin.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I've had torn groins and they can annoy you for
the whole year. You know, it's hard with changing the direction.
It's hard for long kicks. That's why I didn't do
much of it in the first game. But and to
be fair, they don't heal quick and only you have
to reattach have surgery and they reattached them within six weeks.
Your fine and one hundred percent. But I don't know
the severity of it, so I can't really come in on.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Do you agree though it was vital for New South
Wales's chances?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yes, that he is definitely the main.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Kick, definitely and we saw that is it weather cold
and slippery outside, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's in Sydney.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It's always always I don't do yesterday said he would
do the bulk of kicking in general play. It was
just the goalkicking with that pressure when your body where
your leg swings across your body that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You're forward, which there's an issue there. If he's not kicking,
there's an issue.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
But brak you.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
There's twenty six players that they've probably got bumps and
bruises to be fair at this time of year.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All right, let's take a look at the ins and out.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's around eighteen all thanks to sports Beck Lotlin Galvin
named on the bench for the Bulldogs. Cobo Record at
fullback for the Broncos, Tyrell Sloan returns on the winning
for the Dragon send and Smith returns from knee injury
for the Roosters.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Adam do it five.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Eight to river at fullback for the Tigers, DoD on
the bench or that I'm hearing you won't play and
Brandon Smith on the extended bench.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Now Smith's got to play, hasn't he. I don't know.
He's had a bet.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Well, that's got to be a Bennett master stroke, and
that if if you name Brandon Smith the player he
is where Souse are at he plays.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
They're saying they're saying they're going to give him to
a sad day, And I asked, why would you give
him a sad day and playing silly buggers here? Because
if he's named on the extended bench and they think
he's ready to play in South Sydney have now lost
was it their last five? Yes, last five games and
they're sitting second last on the ladder. They need everything,
(18:17):
they need everything. Well they have got latrell As Cobo
feel he's been basically not driven out of the joint,
but was off at a contract that was clearly inferior.
He signed with another club mid season for next year.
Now they're bought him back, thrown him back at full back.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, I think he's.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I think he's playing his favorite positions, so I think
he'll go at there and play. That's the best thing
about players normally they're really professional and that's their safe
place when they're around their team mate. So I got
no doubt he'll go there and try his best. But
he'd have mixed the motions, wouldn't They.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean his headspace, where's it at? He's
been told basically he can leave the club. Now they
call him back in as an SOS to save our season.
I can see wise of it and one of go
to the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Sorry about lockey Galvin. He is named to play for
the Bulldogs. He'll come off the bench, but he's had
a little cheeky post about the bully his mate Silver.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't know if you guys read much about that's bullying.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I didn't particularly like it both to be fair, I
mean we condemned those at the West Tigers that went
online to criticize Lachlan when he was leaving the club.
It ended up being a suing a bullying allegation rather,
and now Lachlan's gone and done something quite similar. There's
no individuals involved in this case, but Lachland's clearly having
(19:37):
a dig at the Tigers with the good good.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Luck emoji and the smiley wink. I just think it
was unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
He copped the run of it when he was there
and didn't particularly like it, so now I wondering why
when he's left, does he want to.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Throw a couple of rocks back at the West Oigers.
It's just dumb, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Like in a social media gets a lot of people
into trouble. He probably didn't mean much by it. He
probably didn't cruels, but you know the.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Tigers Blakes met much by it as well.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, I agree with what you say.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I personally thought at the time that wasn't that wasn't bullying.
I was then making a statement about their own coach
and their club.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
That's what that was. But this is obviously that he's
the cheeking emoji there.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's that's that's a slap in the face for the
Tiger's no question in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
While we're on Talent de Silva, we spoke about last
night the two journals went at about him leaving.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
What did you guys think about this situation. I look
as you're discussing it. I can't make sense of what
the Tigers are doing here. And I know I said
here last week and said that Selwyn Cobble should have
been released. I thought he should have been released from
the Broncos. But I see that as a completely different
situation because one the Broncos don't want him for next year.
They've insulted him with the offer that they did to
(20:49):
keep him, and he doesn't have a future at the club.
Talon to Silver apparently has told rich Oh he wanted
to stay at the club, yet they've let him go.
They had him signed for this year and next, and
as Gordon said, what happened to fighting, what happened to
fighting for the top spot in that team. You look
at clubs and he's a good comparison. You look at
what the Tigers have done with these players of late
(21:11):
and the system that is almost forcing these young players
out of the game. And then you go to a
club like Melbourne where you've got Jonah Pezzant, you've got
wish Hart, you've got fale Ogo, these sort of guys
that are playing those back up roles, but they're more
than prepared to spend three years of their career so
they get a chance to be a part of that
(21:32):
Melbourne system, learn under Craig Bell and learn alongside these
great players, and that's where their systems at. And then
you've got the Tiger system that just happily lets them
walk out the.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Door What did you guys make of this quote from.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Shane richardson once we decided to resign Appy, it would
have been wrong of us to hold the Silver back.
I think that set's a very dangerous priest. So in future,
any player that is resigned, does that mean other players
at the club who play in the same pasi may
will be free to go?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah? I find it odd. I do like this.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
This would happen a lot of You know, if you're
not starting, it's not the end of the world. And
if you add his age, which is very young, you've
got the whole career, whole life.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Ahead of you. You know, you don't need to be
a bullet agate.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And if you don't get your own way, it doesn't
mean that you just leave the club eighteen months in advance.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
You're one hundred percent right, because I was talking to
a rival chief executive today who was telling me that
they've had several players who have you know, pushing for
their opportunity, that have asked for a left.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
No is the answer that they get.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So break your points very valid, But are you blaming
the silver for wanting to leave?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's okay if that's his prerogative if that's what he
wants to do.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But we all want to do things in life that
we can't because we've signed contracts, or we've made deals
with people, or it's just too bad, you know, But
you don't just get out.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I mean, they've let him go, so it's not it's
the clubs, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I don't see how it would have been untenable either,
if he still liked the place and he was happy there.
How is it untenable? You know, Like, you don't need
to play happy for eighty minutes either.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You can play more happy. He's getting on.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
There's still a year and a half to go appy.
You can get injuries. He's the backup hooker.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
It doesn't make sense to me, not a sustainable theory.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It isn't right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
The Tigers have won more this year than this time
last year, and they have so won more at this
stage this year than last year.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Have they improved?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I think they've won one more game at this stage
this year as opposed to last year. He's the thing
everyone keeps saying. The Tigers have improved, and they have improved.
The football they're playing has improved.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But guess what. So is their roster and we're another
year down.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
The track and have they improved this year to the
point that we expected.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, no, they haven't. They're one win off the bottom
of the ladder up that's all there is.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
They go out against the Roosters this weekend and there's
a chance they end up on the bottom. They haven't
improved at the rate where you could where you're aligning them.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
To their recruitment.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
They had a pretty strong offseason recruitment Tigers, so given
who they lured to the club, they should be in
a stronger Drame Loueye True Terrell may like you know.
And so yeah, there's no question in the world they're
playing better football.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Good but not good.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So they have improved, but probably with the quality of
players all right.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
With the Bulldogs in front against the running premiers, Camera
Serato injected Lachlan Galvin into the game, but it was
Nathan Cleary who stole the show.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Bulldogs have lost only two matches this year. Suddenly the
full time cham has won three in a row. They
got to run it kind of flick past sext nice plan.
I'm playing a man, he's the president. It's a beautiful
(25:07):
dram and a Bulldogs. Fuck Galvin is on for Cannibury.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Sol I'm gonna so much fatigue in the game and
read it done a lot of work in the middle
and really good opportunity to get Lockie on.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Burton chucks out, clearly taps up with the nights he play.
This is why he's play of the smartest players here.
Game shot me on the outside front of your plane.
Oh well, Canterbory, are you going to get a penalty
and you're down by two and you've knocked back the
(25:39):
chance to kick two? Last player the match, hold on
nothing Sexton Heywen, right side down burn look down, Bob
with having a sideline and it's one of the.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Matches in a season that was the turning point thanks.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
To actually centers and has Surroundo created a headache trying
to squeeze galved into this side.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, Cameron came out himself.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It'said he had to plan ab and c for camera
for Lochland Galvin, but at some point in the next
few weeks break he's going to have to settle on
one of those plans. Going into August, that's when you
start to make your run for the finals. That's when
you've got your best team on the field. That's when
you start to gain momentum. I don't think you can
keep playing around me slide. He's got to have to
make the call. It'll be a tough call. But you
(26:31):
can't tell me they signed Lochland Galman and didn't know
the plan. They must have known where he was going
to play and how effective he was going to be. Yeah, look,
you can have a, B and C plans, but at
the end of the day, you've got to do what
you think in that moment is the best thing for
your team. And you tell me Broth was that best
(26:53):
for the Bulldogs when that change happened the other day?
Because Sex has been playing so good Marnie's Marney's so
good in the middle that those two and Tracy combined
to set up that one and only try for Preston.
It seemed to change the course of the game when
he came on.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, it's unusual in a game that's played like a
seventi five, one of the highest quality games of the year,
you keep playmaker. Sex is almost the best on the field,
creates their only opportunity to read Marney, and then when
the game's on the line, you take imerving and you
bring on a new half. It is very unusual. We've
been speaking about it for a long time now. I
thought they may have made the call this week and
(27:34):
just said, all right, Galvin, you're going into seven. But
maybe they're happy with sex than at seven now. But
they're going to be left with when do we put
him on? Where do we put him? Is it going
to disrupt our team? How is our dynamics, our cohesion?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You know? Galvin came on and tried hard, was heavily.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Involved, but couldn't dissect or get through the defensive line.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You've been big on this, Gordy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Be happy.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
You picked your best seventeen right, and you can't keep
them all happy. There's no plan A, plan B, plan
C if Lockie Galvin. If you carry someone like that,
he comes on and he feels like he comes on,
feels him wherever he is needed. You don't take off
at number seven, right. That's the luxury.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Carry a number, Kuba Krong said in the call, and
it was. He was spot on the winning try which
was clearly charged down on Burton. When it's Sexton and Burton,
they both share the long kicking game more. But when
Gavin comes on, he takes a back seat, and it's
all Burton, and it was when Burton was out there.
So Cleary is being as smart as he and as
a leaders he is. He knew that it was Arnie
(28:41):
Burton that could possibly kick. He was going to kick
no matter what, there was no other option. He charged
him down and that was the difference. So if you
actually peel it back, if Galvin's not on the field
and Sexton is, they got two options to kick and
maybe they win the game.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So I know that's probably looking pretty deep into it,
but it is a fair point.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
That's what Clearing clearly knew.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And and and you know, there were suggestions that Nathan
might have might have been off side because he got
up that quick, but an actual fact, he wasn't. And
it was just a really really smart player, as you said,
where he zoned in on knowing there's.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No other option.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Burton couldn't have done anything else apart from not kick it,
which he probably shouldn't have, right, But that's easier said
than done. But you know, these are the sorts of
little problems that they're running into now that they wouldn't
have if they had.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
They're causing on themselves.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Just bite the bullet Sexton and read Marney until they
don't get.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
The job done.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
In the perfect world, Galvin would have come next year, right,
did a full pre season and won one of the jerseys,
right the seven or the six.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
He'll make the tough call karents about what is.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The tough call? What do we think? What's he going
to do?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
The tough call is what he thinks is going to
be best for them, But what is the premiership? Personally,
I would leave Sexton there. I think he's led him
to the top of the table. He deserves to be
dropped and I would have him as my number seven.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Where would you have Gay deserve grade?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Possibly? Great?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, because it happened their bench is coming now there
he got softly softly crawels because this is a new
kid on the block, is a young gun. He'll be
there for the next five or six years and we
think he will develop into a star. Is sialdo just
taking it slowly, deliberately, just to make this kid feel
like he's at at home. When Lachlan Galvin first turned
(30:22):
up at the Bulldogs in that first game, and and
he went on the field and he really straightened up
the attack and you're thinking yourself, this is going to
make them a better team. But to his credit, Sexton
has stepped up and he's playing more direct now and
he's you know, he's he's he's lifted for the challenge.
And reed, Marty does so much work, so much work
that Sexton as when he goes into dummy Hill.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Wasn't when you do that, it wasn't broke.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's it wasn't broken, and it's not broken now. So
we're not saying they're gone, but I think they've got
to get it right. Whatever that is, whatever dynamic, if
they leave him on the bench, if they put him
at seven, whatever it is, they need to work it
out over the next month because they can't be doing
this for the next four to six weeks heading into
the finals when they were sitting so pretty.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Because also we.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
All know what the noise starts getting loud if they
lose a couple more games, which I don't think they will,
but the noise gets loud of the pressure builds and
sometimes you implode, and we.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Don't want that to happen with the Boone knows who's
going to be able to join it, bro who that
is We are yet to know, but someone will have
the shits.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think that's yeah, probably all right. Stick around journal
is just ahead. We chat live to Paddy Carrigan and
tomorrow Night blues superstar Nathan Cleary joins the show
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