Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Tuesday September 2nd, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
The NRL 360 panel react to the news that Gehamat Shibasaki has been dropped following a disciplinary breach as the Brisbane Broncos face distractions ahead of their final game of the season with a win required to make the top four.
Paul Crawley has called out the NRL for handing the Canberra Raiders a short turnaround between their final game of the season and the start of their finals campaign, as well as Shane Flanagan for his treatment of son Kyle Flanagan who is expected to remain the Dragons starting halfback amidst a mass overhaul.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Foo on two three sixty Roubili from Every Angle, dream
Me Again, The Great Good and tellas It's been the
Journeys on Paul Croley and Andrew Webster and breaking news
this afternoon, Broncos top four hopes Rockt's Gamut ship Osaki
has been dropped after a boozy night out.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Crawls, You've got some information on this, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Big story.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Peter Bedell's broken this afternoon on the Courier Male website.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Apparently Gamut has turned up.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
He's gone out on the drink on Sunday night in Brisbane,
not after the return from Townsville.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
He's had a big night out.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
He's turned up to training on Monday morning under the
weather and Madges made the decision to drop him.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Dean Maroner moves.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
To the Center's Jesse Arthur's onto the wing and I
guess going forward depending on how the Broncos go. Firstly
on Thursday night against the storm, but heading into the semis.
Does it cost this bloke who has been one of
the season's.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Great comeback stories he spot for the finals.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I think, especially the way they've been attacking the last
couple of weeks. They've averaged forty points you know, without
the six and seven, He's had a great He's had
a great season. It's has a shame this part biggest
game of the season so far, Melbourne Storm to get
in the top four. History shows that you can't win
the comp outside the top four. I don't think it's
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the crime of the century, but that's the standards.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I think that says everything about the Broncos standards. I mean,
he's he's the one player. When he made his Origin
debut in Game three, remember all those great stories about
how he was a Michael maguire project. He gave him
a lifeline from the trial and train contract to you know,
Origin Decider and played the house down. The fact that
the leadership group were on board with it straight away,
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and the fact that they've got such a big game
and they're trying to hot nail down fourth. You know,
it says a lot about where the Broncos are at
a cla. I think it's if there's a silver lining
to it, it's how they've handled it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I mean some may say it's a bit harsh, but
if you're talking about certain standards, you know, and you
mentioned it's a big game for them, top four opportunity.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But you've got to set standards. You've got to have
a culture that you were here to.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Every player's got to be on the same page, heading
in the same direction, with the same goals. And he's
made it be cool, he imagine, I like the leadershipship
groups has backed him on it. Now it's been a
bizarre twenty four hours though. One of their players was
drinking toilet water yesterday and then now she ws worse.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
But you just mentioned it their breath, like you mentioned
the culture. Shouldn't the culture be sorted out before round
twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is that the issue with the Broncos said they're.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Going to make it.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
They're going to make mistakes, of course, Yeah they've made.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's a pretty bloody costly mistady.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Someone their mistakes all year though, and there's been a
constant hasn't They've been pretty good?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, haven't they?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, no they haven't. They have.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
But like you said, the rece Walsh seeing again, not
the crime of the century, but pretty bloody silly. And
then this before a match where you're fighting for a
top four spot like that, you know it's the final.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Round of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
If you beat the Storm and that's your line in
the sand match too.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We've seen them towel.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Up some of the easier teams in the competition in
recent weeks, but go back four weeks and when they
played this team, they were neck and neck with for
the first twenty minutes against Melbourne before they got those
three injuries in quick succession. And you know, the Broncos
have got so much talent and they can blow any
team off the park, but the one thing you do
(03:35):
wonder about them is defensively and their mindset, if they've
got what it takes to beat the big guns. And Gord,
you tell me about this losing Shubasaki defensively in the centers.
So you're bringing in a kid in Mariner who's an
A grade talent defensively, well.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Defensively he's a winger, so he's going to get asked
a lot of questions. You were just under like Craig
Bellamy would probably be licking his lips yep, just the
way that they're going to attack Cameron Munster. Yeah, and
I think they do lose a bit Shubersarki showed and
stayed of origin when he went there was a big
task for him and Robert Toyer and they did a job.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So they are going to lose there.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
But Maren is such an a tight such an excitement
with the football. But it's defensively when Brisbane have lacked.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Gordy spot on, like for the punter at home. The
difference between defending in the centers two winger is significant.
It's huge. You know you're going to make more decisions.
You know you're getting more thrown, aren't you in defense
in that position. A lot of wingers that do move
into the center struggle in defense because it is so different.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So it's a big loss, it really is. And we've
Madge taking on Bellamy. It's a big game.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Melbourne storm up against Brisbane and Madge has a shocking
record against Craig which makes this game even more important.
And without Shibasaki. But let's talk about that re Why
why why is.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It so bad?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
For so long we're talking, we're going ears, but here
it is here like pretty incredible stats. Fifteen games, one win,
he's got a six point seven percent win rate and
the last time he beat him was in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
This is this is not about Madge. It's like when
people try to coach like Wayne Bennett. There's one Wayne.
It's like someone trying to impersonate Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
There's only one. So Craig Balamy Tuesday, No, No, but
Craig twenty years right. You can't do that, is Craig.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So if Madges learn onneath him and tries to beat
the master, it's really hard to meet like the meet
and beat that guy, you know, unless you're coaching his
footy side.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So he's going to have to come up with some.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Tricks Jesus against Melb's.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Out there that have a bad record against Bellami they
all have a record and climb clear exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Oh yeah, well, and then the Ruses but they hadn't
won in nineteen or twenty against Penrith and Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So he's not Robinson, Crusoe, Broka.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Its the Broncos record without It doesn't matter who's coaching
against Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
They can't remember.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
For as long as I've played against Melbourne a long
time ago. We can't beat Melbourne at Melbourne's game. We've
got to play our style and that's throwing the ball
around and back your mistakes. But if they go in
the shell and think they're going to go set for
set with Melbourne, you play unto their hands.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Just Buzz and Peter Bedell broke that story on shibasak
So World on the Bomber and Buzz Buzz ever so
reliable as we know now, beware of the embarrassed Craig
Bellamy though last week was something that we've hardly if
we've hardly seen it. I don't you know the way
that they got He's six hundredth game. Now, Melbourne are
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the best at bouncing back right, so that makes it
even harder for the Broncos than Michael MacGuire.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
I was down in Melbourne for Craig bellmenby six hundredth
dinner on the Wednesday night, and you could tell that
he was sick of the attention, you know, and they
usually win milestone matches, they're renowned for it Melbourne and
had been such a big build up and I remember
you could just see he just wanted to get out
there and play the game. But that result, you know
what happened in that second half, they would have hurt him.
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And I thought the way that he's the team that
he's picked and hardly rested any players just says how
serious he's taking it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It probably tells you a little bit about Bellamy too,
how he always puts the team first.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
In that in his milestone match.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He rested all these players like he put one hand
tied behind his back. He did that and he would
him and their first half.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, they went out and they did their absolute best.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
At they're leading ten nil. The Rooster's scored forty second
half points. But I'll ask you this, Braaith so Mark
Nwangan ed Parsi has has gone out and scored four tries.
They'd scored five tries down that right edge. Melbourne missing
Xavier coach Xavier Coats come back this week. I think
his hoalth back too, Like is it completely different.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I honestly look at that game and as great as
it was for the Roosters, and that was a fantastic
bounce back and they were the far better team, superior team.
I think if you look at the next month ahead,
I'm not concerned about that game at all. I know
that Craig is because that's the way that he works.
But you're right, like they had key positions, especially that coach.
Coach has been not only amazing in defense, but in
an attack, he's they go to, you know, and they
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didn't even have him. They held their gloves up for
the first half and you looked like they are a
chance of winning. And all the tribes were the same,
like at the same edge, similar plays which the Roosters
was great for them to acknowledge that or see that
and attack that weakness in the opposition.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But I'm just not worried about any of you guys
worried about it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
No, No, that's because I truly thought when when you're
sitting there and you're watching the highlights of that game,
and Robbo even considered in his post match press, so
you know, we picked out what we needed to do
in the second half and we went out there and
did it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But you bring coach back into that side, it's just different.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The biggest for say, Craig Bellle he made was putting
bred Read.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
In his box.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Really didn't even win at the Strikers. That's the worst
of a soccer team coming.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Out of Queensland, all right, now, Madge, he built a
bit of a gasket on the weekend at halftime and
they were winning. Now four points up in this game
and we were covering this live on Saturday. I quite
liked it, you know, because of what he's renowned for
and the criticisms he has received over the years without
(09:27):
he's a hard task master.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
A lot of people sort of looked it deeply into this.
I didn't. I thought it was okay. I'd like to
get the opinion of you got I was the same.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
That just looks like a normal halftime address from Michael maguire.
I've seen worse from him. I don't know what the
song of dances about it.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I just think that the way the Broncos are playing
at the moment, it frustrates people watching it. It would
have to frustrate the hell out of match because they
can be so brilliant and then in the blink of
an eye, one will come up with a stupid mistake
and it can turn the match. And if not, if
(10:05):
not for that forward pass in that game on the weekend,
that turned a two point lead into an eight point lead,
and it could be a completely different game, and Madge
would see, you know, these these little things come September
can really let you down.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
We'll get to that forward pass then, by the way,
and everybody deserves it.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I'm sure you would have got one way and I'll
probably count on one hand in the two hundred odd games,
you know, and then when I coached with Johnny Lang,
he had two two a year.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Said the same when he coached us. Yeah, he would
space out the amount of.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Time and you can't do it all the time because
it's on deaf fears. So but he should know what
messages are going to work by now I haven't clearly
says he's had done two. Yeah there twenty nineteen, Ben
than Tiger Town. So no, no, no, but like it's
a better side. But like then sometimes as a pie,
you do deserve a spray, and sometimes you sit there
waiting for a spray, and sometimes you don't get and
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sometimes you think we didn't deserve that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And you get address from ben Hant straight after the
game and he said that has been good all year.
It was a blow up, but they haven't received too
many of them. Like that was his exact wordsdown debate
rages over the forward pass rulings and the ship Asaki
one to Walters, which you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now it was let go by the referees. The bunker
can't rule on it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The NRL are standing by that. They think that the
ball come out of their hands backwards. I'd like to
get the opinion of the penal.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
That's a forward pass any day of the week. That's
not that's forward out of the hands. Yeah, case closed.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
If you're watching that and on the Fox commentary, I
can't remember exactly who was called, but whoever it was
and whoever was the expert there says straight away meanful.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
We're sitting at home. Every single person that you.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Speak to, bar Rashley, kleinbo people in the n are
trying to convince this.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Can I sick up for Ashley clients who he's going
and he's not going to see the side of the ball,
so he slows up to see it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
What's the linesman doing? He needs Roger was telling seriously
because that's like, where's the linesman? What's he doing? He's plotting?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But see, this is the issue and in fairness to
Ashley climb situation, just quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Do we need four touch?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's not about floating forward because we know it floats forward.
The argument here is does it come out of their
hands backwards or forwards?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
It's a forward pass. I'm just telling you if it's
a clock because we do know the rules. Out of
the hands backwards But to me, that's that's coming out
at one o'clock. To be a backwards pass, it's got
to come out at three o'clock. The hands, I've got
to be straight for more. That's that's at that angle.
Let's it reminds me of the Trills pass in that
comeback game against the Roosters.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
See that that's an example of it coming out of
the hands backwards but floating forwards.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The other one came out of the hand. I'm asking
the questions, but I'm going to answer my own question.
It came out of the hands forward.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, I just you know, I've supported a lot of
the calls from the area this year. I can't support
this one. I really can't, I think at the time.
But you know, I'm not going to stick up for client.
Client couldn't be any closer to it, and you know,
and the touch judge he wasn't keeping up. You know,
you can kind of understand that in that situation, given
that first gradead league plays a very fast but climb
(13:26):
was in composition I know, you me and Gordon where
he could have lost sight of it a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But look where Walter's ends up. You know, it was
crazy you know, you have to this game. You have to.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
You have to roll with mistakes like that from time
to time. The thing is that it just seems to
happen a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
We have the technology, so this is a question, right
that I get all the time. They can check for everything.
When you see where it's left his hands, and if
it goes more than a meter, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
A forward forward.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, so like this guy said, well, if it comes
out of the hand backwards and it goes give it
like a meter to float, does that make sense? All
fifty centimeters? But if it goes further than that, if
we've got the technology to a Ford packer.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I don't agree with that argument because I've seen I've
seen passes that did come out of the hands backwards
that have traveled five or six meters for depending.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
On the speed they're going at.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But in this instance, mate, I think the bunker is
the answer because it just leaves the game open to
ridicule because we are all sitting there and watching the replay,
and you watch replay after replay and it only took
one and I'll guarantee if that's awarded a no try,
there is no blow up. There's no blow up, but
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the fact that the bunker can't come in and correct
her are what I would.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Consider an hour all passes or four try in the
lead up to try.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So the try scoring from the time the ball's played
to the time it's scored, because as it is, we
go back and review every single try anyway, like every
try is reviewed. And if you sit there and you're
staring at a forward pass that happens to be a
green who everyone talks about. Everyone talked at the video
ref coming in for the howler. There's a hell, there's
the hell.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You know, that's what it should be there for.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I don't agree with the micro chip in the ball
technology and all that rubbishaid they were going on about
just that, Yeah, but they were also when they also
talking about lines and imaginary lines and field and all
that stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I do think the touch judges need to get when
when the when COVID came in, they got rid of
the two.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The two refs.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
When they got rid of the two refs, the line
out of you you needs to be need to skateboard.
The line out of the NRL was that the two
touch judges were going to be like a second and
third referee to judge and stuff like that, and the
touch judges don't I don't know what they do speedwork.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
They like it, and if the bunker did come in,
it wouldn't stop you.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Like, if it's a really close one and the bunker
can't give you an either way, well then you have
to copy.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But when it's one like that and you just know
it's going to cause your heartache, I pick it up.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
How do you determine it just quickly before we move
on from this, because we could probably argue it for
a while. How are you determine how close it is?
And you know, like this, what's a hell or what's not?
We're not going to We're not going to be I would.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Think you would.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It get a bit murky, but that in those murky
situations where it rounds a little bit each way, you've
got to back the riff's call is.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
But if it's one like that where you hold on,
don't we just do this and it's going to be
black and white. If the ball goes forward, the ball
goes forward no matter how it comes out of your hands.
Isn't that common sense?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, that's physics, And unfortunately, the ball will travel forward
even if it's come out of the hands backwards. Often
the argument is because of the camera angles, it's deceiving.
You know, you don't know, you can't you always tell
exactly just how far the balls fighted forward or whether
it's coming out.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Of the head.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
But that one there, as you said with the line,
that one, that one's so obvious.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Take a look at the ins and out's around twenty.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He's seven thanks to sports Bet for the Bronco Shibasaki
dropped as we spoke about the top of the show. Now,
Hughes returns at half back for the Melbourne Store Murray
to make his season debut for the very last game
against the Rooster. That's an interesting one. Joey Walsh to
make his debut off the bench for the Melly Segers.
Cleary returns for their near full strength Panthers team and
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the Raiders are we're going to rest ten.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Can we get Buzz on the line to see whether
he's okay with it.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We're actually resting seven players, three legitimate injuries. But the
ten players out of the game, there's ten, six legitimate injuries.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
We didn't blow.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
On the final sure, so they would be playing and
I'd say, guess what I reckon. If this was a
final this week, they'd still be playing.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So yes and buzz. Do the Raiders earn the right
to rest players?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Bloody if they have the right strangers getting arrest this
week it's the first rest he's had all season. He's
played every single round. To be one press now after
copping a really bad whipblack the right, Where.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do you see on this? Because you went on last week?
I agree with that. I can't believe this happens every year.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
The whole aim of playing this game is to win
the comp not round twenty seven, not round twenty six.
If you've earned the riders you said they do this
in professional codes all around the world. You manage a
squad and it's a long season. What more do you
want out of the out of the player? Like the games,
I've never been tougher, never been harder. The season has
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never been longer, and they've got so many commitments. Of course,
they're not robots. You've got to give them a freshen
up before the big dance.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And we've already moved on from last week and it's
a distant memory already in it, Like I mean, they
rested all the players and play on six again.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
All right, Now the Raiders, you're a bit worried crawls.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Or you want them because they're playing they've got a
shorter turnaround before the final.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
There's a bit of an issue here, and in my eyes,
it has the potential to be a very unfair one
result on the Raiders. So the Broncos, who could finish fourth,
sit fourth on the ladder at the moment, play Thursday
night against the Storm.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
The Warriors are playing Friday night.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
The Sharks, who also can finish fourth if things go
their way, are playing on the Saturday.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
The Raiders are playing on the Sunday.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And it's not locked in yet, but the talk out
there is that potentially the Raiders will probably get the
Saturday in the first finals. And their argument, and I
think it's a very legitimate argument, is that the Broncos
will have a nine day rest before that game, The
Warriors would have an eight day rest, the Sharks seven,
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and the Raiders, who finished minor Premiers will be worst
off with.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
The six day two. Surely it's got to go put
on the Sunday.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
The rest of the ten players, well.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
They are resting ten players, but they aren't that wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, you know what, why would you be Hendlin Sunday?
I remember one and two used to always play Sunday.
That was the big team.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Where I reckon this has gone wrong. I reckon at
the start of the season, when they're doing the drawer,
they probably look at the fact that the Raiders are
playing the Dolphins final round. They're not going to be
playing finals, and so they end up on the last game.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Sorry, that's motivated them all year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It has made.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
This Saturday's winner is going to have it up on
the sheds.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Don't you think it's a legitimate No?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I do, Yeah, I just I'm confident. But they'd be
so excited. I know what you're saying, But they'd be
so excited. And the six day turnaround is fine, Like
they they manage that. Now, what's the sports igned to do?
Let him earn his job for one week and get
them right.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So give the Broncos and just give him a leg up. Hey,
sometimes it's worst likely that's who they're going to be playing.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But sometimes it's worth sitting around made.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm glad. I'm glad they've still got the rest.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
There's a positive with both. Yeah, cut you bee for
the week. If I can't get a word in anywhere,
I'll here you go.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The wild card weekend for the finals. I hate it.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I hate it.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Why should the teams that finish ninth and tenth be
rewarded and potentially knock out the teams that finish seventh
and eighth. F We have a twenty seven round competition, right,
It's a survival of the fittest.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
It's a test of endurance. Why should you get.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
To the last weekend and throw it all upside down
and potentially have Team ten taking the spot of Team seven,
which in this case it would be the Dolphins taking
the spot.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Of the Panthers.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
No way?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Agree?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You know it must be the last round because the
wild card weekend story popper.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
In the news cycles comes around every year. I agree.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
If you finished tenth in a seventeen team competition or
an eighteen team competition, you don't deserve to have.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
A bite of it.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
It works, It works in biggest, bigger competitions around the
world where they have thirty four teams.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Nineteen twenteen that comes tenth is any chance of winning
the competition? Well, if they've had a lot of injuries,
so there is a little bit of merit.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
If they've had a lot of injuries and they've had
five or six, say something like South or the Dolphins
with their sides, and they've gone through Origin and they
get all their players back and they've hit some form
and they just run out of petrol, that could be
quite exciting.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
If you can't get into the eighth in twenty four
rounds and that's matches in twenty seven rounds and you
don't deserve to be.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And my argument on top of that would be we
already say if you don't finish top four, you're not
going to win the camp, right, you're throwing an extra
elimination final. Basically on top of these, all the teams
in the bottom two and the next two they've got
no chance.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I think the main point too, before we move on,
is it doesn't stop resting anyway, because isn't that what
the whole is in what this was all suggested.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Is Blake solid now the NRL boss.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
At least that headline is that breaking. That's a good story.
That's something all right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I have named the full strength side and ominous warning
for the Dragons.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
This is a big test for Shane Flanney, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
It has to be they've I thought they'd been brave there,
you know, a few weeks ago, but now the wheels
have fallen off the season, haven't they. Look I'm a
supporter of Flanno's extension. I've said on this show maybe
two years was too much. I'm happy with the extra year.
But you know, I'm sure we're all hearing all the
same rumblings about some players not being happy with him.
(23:35):
That happens when you're having a losing season. But I
think he's under pressure going into the going into next year.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But was there pressure to re sign him? No, it wasn't, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
It was all about giving this that club some stability
from Mary to Anthony Griffin and then even in Flano's
first year there was you know, it's hard to recruit
and it's hard to bring stability to your club when
you've got a coach that continually got the axe hovering over.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
There is a lot of players on the way out
Web and there's not a lot of players on the
way in Cruels.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Now there's not.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
There's a stack of players gues you could go through
Jack de Bell and Tyrell Sloane.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Who else is leaving like Laurie someone's been the love cruels.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, there we go, there's the outs and there's the
inks and you know, these sort of situations happen at
every club, don't they And it always creates a bit
of a toxic culture when you've got players that are leading.
But I agree with what you're hearing Webbe in that
there is a little bit of unrest And then you
(24:36):
go back to Flanno's situation. They got those two wins
against the Raiders and Cronulla, but the fact of the
matter is they finished eleventh last year. They're currently sitting
fifteenth on the ladder and I just don't know where's
the fire. Why did they have to give him that extension?
Well I couldn't they have waited a few weeks. Has
(24:58):
it resulted in any for the players going to their club?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And it's more next year on a couple of years
to come. My big issue is what they're going to
do in the Hearts. What are they going to do
with Daniel Atkinson and and and where does he playing?
Is it alongside time King Toyle, I don't know or Kyle.
That's that's the main It has to.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Be though, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
What well.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Kyle Flanagan, We've said it, and we're not picking on
their bloke, like he tries his guts out, But I
just don't see how you think that having Kyle as
as your seven going forward is going to put you
not just in the top eight, but in the top
four or where.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
They want to be.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And they've bought Atkinson, they've got King Tongis, who's a
pretty fair talent, but they've got they've got something that
that Flannel hasn't got.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
They've got a bit more speed and.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And I just don't understand why Locky Ilius hasn't got
another shot this year. Like you know, he came off
a broken leg. They brought him, they brought him to
the club. He kept coming off a broken leg. He
hardly got it answer to secure his position. Once he
got punted, he never came back. And yet we've watched
them finish the season like they did, and there's no
(26:08):
question against the Raiders and Cronulla they went really bloody well.
But I can't see the improvement there. And I've said
it before and I'll say it again. If I was
a young halfback coming through, I would not go to
that club while he's there, because there is obviously
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Something going wrong with you.
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Journeys on Paul Croley and Andrew Webster and breaking news
this afternoon, Broncos top four hopes Rockt's Gamut ship Osaki
has been dropped after a boozy night out.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Crawls, You've got some information on this, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Big story.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Peter Bedell's broken this afternoon on the Courier Male website.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Apparently Gamut has turned up.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
He's gone out on the drink on Sunday night in Brisbane,
not after the return from Townsville.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
He's had a big night out.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
He's turned up to training on Monday morning under the
weather and Madges made the decision to drop him.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Dean Maroner moves.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
To the Center's Jesse Arthur's onto the wing and I
guess going forward depending on how the Broncos go. Firstly
on Thursday night against the storm, but heading into the semis.
Does it cost this bloke who has been one of
the season's.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Great comeback stories he spot for the finals.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I think, especially the way they've been attacking the last
couple of weeks. They've averaged forty points you know, without
the six and seven, He's had a great He's had
a great season. It's has a shame this part biggest
game of the season so far, Melbourne Storm to get
in the top four. History shows that you can't win
the comp outside the top four. I don't think it's
(01:26):
the crime of the century, but that's the standards.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I think that says everything about the Broncos standards. I mean,
he's he's the one player. When he made his Origin
debut in Game three, remember all those great stories about
how he was a Michael maguire project. He gave him
a lifeline from the trial and train contract to you know,
Origin Decider and played the house down. The fact that
the leadership group were on board with it straight away,
(01:51):
and the fact that they've got such a big game
and they're trying to hot nail down fourth. You know,
it says a lot about where the Broncos are at
a cla. I think it's if there's a silver lining
to it, it's how they've handled it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I mean some may say it's a bit harsh, but
if you're talking about certain standards, you know, and you
mentioned it's a big game for them, top four opportunity.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But you've got to set standards. You've got to have
a culture that you were here to.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Every player's got to be on the same page, heading
in the same direction, with the same goals. And he's
made it be cool, he imagine, I like the leadershipship
groups has backed him on it. Now it's been a
bizarre twenty four hours though. One of their players was
drinking toilet water yesterday and then now she ws worse.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
But you just mentioned it their breath, like you mentioned
the culture. Shouldn't the culture be sorted out before round
twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is that the issue with the Broncos said they're.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Going to make it.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
They're going to make mistakes, of course, Yeah they've made.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's a pretty bloody costly mistady.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Someone their mistakes all year though, and there's been a
constant hasn't They've been pretty good?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, haven't they?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, no they haven't. They have.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
But like you said, the rece Walsh seeing again, not
the crime of the century, but pretty bloody silly. And
then this before a match where you're fighting for a
top four spot like that, you know it's the final.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Round of the regular season.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
If you beat the Storm and that's your line in
the sand match too.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We've seen them towel.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Up some of the easier teams in the competition in
recent weeks, but go back four weeks and when they
played this team, they were neck and neck with for
the first twenty minutes against Melbourne before they got those
three injuries in quick succession. And you know, the Broncos
have got so much talent and they can blow any
team off the park, but the one thing you do
(03:35):
wonder about them is defensively and their mindset, if they've
got what it takes to beat the big guns. And Gord,
you tell me about this losing Shubasaki defensively in the centers.
So you're bringing in a kid in Mariner who's an
A grade talent defensively, well.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Defensively he's a winger, so he's going to get asked
a lot of questions. You were just under like Craig
Bellamy would probably be licking his lips yep, just the
way that they're going to attack Cameron Munster. Yeah, and
I think they do lose a bit Shubersarki showed and
stayed of origin when he went there was a big
task for him and Robert Toyer and they did a job.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So they are going to lose there.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
But Maren is such an a tight such an excitement
with the football. But it's defensively when Brisbane have lacked.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Gordy spot on, like for the punter at home. The
difference between defending in the centers two winger is significant.
It's huge. You know you're going to make more decisions.
You know you're getting more thrown, aren't you in defense
in that position. A lot of wingers that do move
into the center struggle in defense because it is so different.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So it's a big loss, it really is. And we've
Madge taking on Bellamy. It's a big game.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Melbourne storm up against Brisbane and Madge has a shocking
record against Craig which makes this game even more important.
And without Shibasaki. But let's talk about that re Why
why why is.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It so bad?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
For so long we're talking, we're going ears, but here
it is here like pretty incredible stats. Fifteen games, one win,
he's got a six point seven percent win rate and
the last time he beat him was in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
This is this is not about Madge. It's like when
people try to coach like Wayne Bennett. There's one Wayne.
It's like someone trying to impersonate Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
There's only one. So Craig Balamy Tuesday, No, No, but
Craig twenty years right. You can't do that, is Craig.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So if Madges learn onneath him and tries to beat
the master, it's really hard to meet like the meet
and beat that guy, you know, unless you're coaching his
footy side.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So he's going to have to come up with some.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Tricks Jesus against Melb's.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Out there that have a bad record against Bellami they
all have a record and climb clear exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Oh yeah, well, and then the Ruses but they hadn't
won in nineteen or twenty against Penrith and Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So he's not Robinson, Crusoe, Broka.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Its the Broncos record without It doesn't matter who's coaching
against Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
They can't remember.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
For as long as I've played against Melbourne a long
time ago. We can't beat Melbourne at Melbourne's game. We've
got to play our style and that's throwing the ball
around and back your mistakes. But if they go in
the shell and think they're going to go set for
set with Melbourne, you play unto their hands.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Just Buzz and Peter Bedell broke that story on shibasak
So World on the Bomber and Buzz Buzz ever so
reliable as we know now, beware of the embarrassed Craig
Bellamy though last week was something that we've hardly if
we've hardly seen it. I don't you know the way
that they got He's six hundredth game. Now, Melbourne are
(06:45):
the best at bouncing back right, so that makes it
even harder for the Broncos than Michael MacGuire.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
I was down in Melbourne for Craig bellmenby six hundredth
dinner on the Wednesday night, and you could tell that
he was sick of the attention, you know, and they
usually win milestone matches, they're renowned for it Melbourne and
had been such a big build up and I remember
you could just see he just wanted to get out
there and play the game. But that result, you know
what happened in that second half, they would have hurt him.
(07:12):
And I thought the way that he's the team that
he's picked and hardly rested any players just says how
serious he's taking it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It probably tells you a little bit about Bellamy too,
how he always puts the team first.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
In that in his milestone match.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He rested all these players like he put one hand
tied behind his back. He did that and he would
him and their first half.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, they went out and they did their absolute best.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
At they're leading ten nil. The Rooster's scored forty second
half points. But I'll ask you this, Braaith so Mark
Nwangan ed Parsi has has gone out and scored four tries.
They'd scored five tries down that right edge. Melbourne missing
Xavier coach Xavier Coats come back this week. I think
his hoalth back too, Like is it completely different.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I honestly look at that game and as great as
it was for the Roosters, and that was a fantastic
bounce back and they were the far better team, superior team.
I think if you look at the next month ahead,
I'm not concerned about that game at all. I know
that Craig is because that's the way that he works.
But you're right, like they had key positions, especially that coach.
Coach has been not only amazing in defense, but in
an attack, he's they go to, you know, and they
(08:19):
didn't even have him. They held their gloves up for
the first half and you looked like they are a
chance of winning. And all the tribes were the same,
like at the same edge, similar plays which the Roosters
was great for them to acknowledge that or see that
and attack that weakness in the opposition.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But I'm just not worried about any of you guys
worried about it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
No, No, that's because I truly thought when when you're
sitting there and you're watching the highlights of that game,
and Robbo even considered in his post match press, so
you know, we picked out what we needed to do
in the second half and we went out there and
did it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But you bring coach back into that side, it's just different.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The biggest for say, Craig Bellle he made was putting
bred Read.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
In his box.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Really didn't even win at the Strikers. That's the worst
of a soccer team coming.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Out of Queensland, all right, now, Madge, he built a
bit of a gasket on the weekend at halftime and
they were winning. Now four points up in this game
and we were covering this live on Saturday. I quite
liked it, you know, because of what he's renowned for
and the criticisms he has received over the years without
(09:27):
he's a hard task master.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
A lot of people sort of looked it deeply into this.
I didn't. I thought it was okay. I'd like to
get the opinion of you got I was the same.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
That just looks like a normal halftime address from Michael maguire.
I've seen worse from him. I don't know what the
song of dances about it.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I just think that the way the Broncos are playing
at the moment, it frustrates people watching it. It would
have to frustrate the hell out of match because they
can be so brilliant and then in the blink of
an eye, one will come up with a stupid mistake
and it can turn the match. And if not, if
(10:05):
not for that forward pass in that game on the weekend,
that turned a two point lead into an eight point lead,
and it could be a completely different game, and Madge
would see, you know, these these little things come September
can really let you down.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
We'll get to that forward pass then, by the way,
and everybody deserves it.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I'm sure you would have got one way and I'll
probably count on one hand in the two hundred odd games,
you know, and then when I coached with Johnny Lang,
he had two two a year.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Said the same when he coached us. Yeah, he would
space out the amount of.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Time and you can't do it all the time because
it's on deaf fears. So but he should know what
messages are going to work by now I haven't clearly
says he's had done two. Yeah there twenty nineteen, Ben
than Tiger Town. So no, no, no, but like it's
a better side. But like then sometimes as a pie,
you do deserve a spray, and sometimes you sit there
waiting for a spray, and sometimes you don't get and
(10:59):
sometimes you think we didn't deserve that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And you get address from ben Hant straight after the
game and he said that has been good all year.
It was a blow up, but they haven't received too
many of them. Like that was his exact wordsdown debate
rages over the forward pass rulings and the ship Asaki
one to Walters, which you just mentioned.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now it was let go by the referees. The bunker
can't rule on it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The NRL are standing by that. They think that the
ball come out of their hands backwards. I'd like to
get the opinion of the penal.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
That's a forward pass any day of the week. That's
not that's forward out of the hands. Yeah, case closed.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
If you're watching that and on the Fox commentary, I
can't remember exactly who was called, but whoever it was
and whoever was the expert there says straight away meanful.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
We're sitting at home. Every single person that you.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Speak to, bar Rashley, kleinbo people in the n are
trying to convince this.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Can I sick up for Ashley clients who he's going
and he's not going to see the side of the ball,
so he slows up to see it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
What's the linesman doing? He needs Roger was telling seriously
because that's like, where's the linesman? What's he doing? He's plotting?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But see, this is the issue and in fairness to
Ashley climb situation, just quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Do we need four touch?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's not about floating forward because we know it floats forward.
The argument here is does it come out of their
hands backwards or forwards?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
It's a forward pass. I'm just telling you if it's
a clock because we do know the rules. Out of
the hands backwards But to me, that's that's coming out
at one o'clock. To be a backwards pass, it's got
to come out at three o'clock. The hands, I've got
to be straight for more. That's that's at that angle.
Let's it reminds me of the Trills pass in that
comeback game against the Roosters.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
See that that's an example of it coming out of
the hands backwards but floating forwards.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The other one came out of the hand. I'm asking
the questions, but I'm going to answer my own question.
It came out of the hands forward.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, I just you know, I've supported a lot of
the calls from the area this year. I can't support
this one. I really can't, I think at the time.
But you know, I'm not going to stick up for client.
Client couldn't be any closer to it, and you know,
and the touch judge he wasn't keeping up. You know,
you can kind of understand that in that situation, given
that first gradead league plays a very fast but climb
(13:26):
was in composition I know, you me and Gordon where
he could have lost sight of it a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But look where Walter's ends up. You know, it was
crazy you know, you have to this game. You have to.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
You have to roll with mistakes like that from time
to time. The thing is that it just seems to
happen a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
We have the technology, so this is a question, right
that I get all the time. They can check for everything.
When you see where it's left his hands, and if
it goes more than a meter, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
A forward forward.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Well, so like this guy said, well, if it comes
out of the hand backwards and it goes give it
like a meter to float, does that make sense? All
fifty centimeters? But if it goes further than that, if
we've got the technology to a Ford packer.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I don't agree with that argument because I've seen I've
seen passes that did come out of the hands backwards
that have traveled five or six meters for depending.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
On the speed they're going at.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
But in this instance, mate, I think the bunker is
the answer because it just leaves the game open to
ridicule because we are all sitting there and watching the replay,
and you watch replay after replay and it only took
one and I'll guarantee if that's awarded a no try,
there is no blow up. There's no blow up, but
(14:37):
the fact that the bunker can't come in and correct
her are what I would.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Consider an hour all passes or four try in the
lead up to try.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So the try scoring from the time the ball's played
to the time it's scored, because as it is, we
go back and review every single try anyway, like every
try is reviewed. And if you sit there and you're
staring at a forward pass that happens to be a
green who everyone talks about. Everyone talked at the video
ref coming in for the howler. There's a hell, there's
the hell.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You know, that's what it should be there for.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I don't agree with the micro chip in the ball
technology and all that rubbishaid they were going on about
just that, Yeah, but they were also when they also
talking about lines and imaginary lines and field and all
that stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I do think the touch judges need to get when
when the when COVID came in, they got rid of
the two.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The two refs.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
When they got rid of the two refs, the line
out of you you needs to be need to skateboard.
The line out of the NRL was that the two
touch judges were going to be like a second and
third referee to judge and stuff like that, and the
touch judges don't I don't know what they do speedwork.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
They like it, and if the bunker did come in,
it wouldn't stop you.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Like, if it's a really close one and the bunker
can't give you an either way, well then you have
to copy.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But when it's one like that and you just know
it's going to cause your heartache, I pick it up.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
How do you determine it just quickly before we move
on from this, because we could probably argue it for
a while. How are you determine how close it is?
And you know, like this, what's a hell or what's not?
We're not going to We're not going to be I would.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Think you would.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It get a bit murky, but that in those murky
situations where it rounds a little bit each way, you've
got to back the riff's call is.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
But if it's one like that where you hold on,
don't we just do this and it's going to be
black and white. If the ball goes forward, the ball
goes forward no matter how it comes out of your hands.
Isn't that common sense?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, that's physics, And unfortunately, the ball will travel forward
even if it's come out of the hands backwards. Often
the argument is because of the camera angles, it's deceiving.
You know, you don't know, you can't you always tell
exactly just how far the balls fighted forward or whether
it's coming out.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Of the head.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
But that one there, as you said with the line,
that one, that one's so obvious.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Take a look at the ins and out's around twenty.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
He's seven thanks to sports Bet for the Bronco Shibasaki
dropped as we spoke about the top of the show. Now,
Hughes returns at half back for the Melbourne Store Murray
to make his season debut for the very last game
against the Rooster. That's an interesting one. Joey Walsh to
make his debut off the bench for the Melly Segers.
Cleary returns for their near full strength Panthers team and
(17:21):
the Raiders are we're going to rest ten.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Can we get Buzz on the line to see whether
he's okay with it.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We're actually resting seven players, three legitimate injuries. But the
ten players out of the game, there's ten, six legitimate injuries.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
We didn't blow.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
On the final sure, so they would be playing and
I'd say, guess what I reckon. If this was a
final this week, they'd still be playing.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So yes and buzz. Do the Raiders earn the right
to rest players?
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Bloody if they have the right strangers getting arrest this
week it's the first rest he's had all season. He's
played every single round. To be one press now after
copping a really bad whipblack the right, Where.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do you see on this? Because you went on last week?
I agree with that. I can't believe this happens every year.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
The whole aim of playing this game is to win
the comp not round twenty seven, not round twenty six.
If you've earned the riders you said they do this
in professional codes all around the world. You manage a
squad and it's a long season. What more do you
want out of the out of the player? Like the games,
I've never been tougher, never been harder. The season has
(18:34):
never been longer, and they've got so many commitments. Of course,
they're not robots. You've got to give them a freshen
up before the big dance.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And we've already moved on from last week and it's
a distant memory already in it, Like I mean, they
rested all the players and play on six again.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
All right, Now the Raiders, you're a bit worried crawls.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Or you want them because they're playing they've got a
shorter turnaround before the final.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
There's a bit of an issue here, and in my eyes,
it has the potential to be a very unfair one
result on the Raiders. So the Broncos, who could finish fourth,
sit fourth on the ladder at the moment, play Thursday
night against the Storm.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
The Warriors are playing Friday night.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
The Sharks, who also can finish fourth if things go
their way, are playing on the Saturday.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
The Raiders are playing on the Sunday.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And it's not locked in yet, but the talk out
there is that potentially the Raiders will probably get the
Saturday in the first finals. And their argument, and I
think it's a very legitimate argument, is that the Broncos
will have a nine day rest before that game, The
Warriors would have an eight day rest, the Sharks seven,
(19:43):
and the Raiders, who finished minor Premiers will be worst
off with.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
The six day two. Surely it's got to go put
on the Sunday.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
The rest of the ten players, well.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
They are resting ten players, but they aren't that wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, you know what, why would you be Hendlin Sunday?
I remember one and two used to always play Sunday.
That was the big team.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Where I reckon this has gone wrong. I reckon at
the start of the season, when they're doing the drawer,
they probably look at the fact that the Raiders are
playing the Dolphins final round. They're not going to be
playing finals, and so they end up on the last game.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Sorry, that's motivated them all year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It has made.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
This Saturday's winner is going to have it up on
the sheds.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Don't you think it's a legitimate No?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I do, Yeah, I just I'm confident. But they'd be
so excited. I know what you're saying, But they'd be
so excited. And the six day turnaround is fine, Like
they they manage that. Now, what's the sports igned to do?
Let him earn his job for one week and get
them right.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So give the Broncos and just give him a leg up. Hey,
sometimes it's worst likely that's who they're going to be playing.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But sometimes it's worth sitting around made.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm glad. I'm glad they've still got the rest.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
There's a positive with both. Yeah, cut you bee for
the week. If I can't get a word in anywhere,
I'll here you go.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The wild card weekend for the finals. I hate it.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I hate it.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Why should the teams that finish ninth and tenth be
rewarded and potentially knock out the teams that finish seventh
and eighth. F We have a twenty seven round competition, right,
It's a survival of the fittest.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
It's a test of endurance. Why should you get.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
To the last weekend and throw it all upside down
and potentially have Team ten taking the spot of Team seven,
which in this case it would be the Dolphins taking
the spot.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Of the Panthers.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
No way?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Agree?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You know it must be the last round because the
wild card weekend story popper.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
In the news cycles comes around every year. I agree.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
If you finished tenth in a seventeen team competition or
an eighteen team competition, you don't deserve to have.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
A bite of it.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
It works, It works in biggest, bigger competitions around the
world where they have thirty four teams.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Nineteen twenteen that comes tenth is any chance of winning
the competition? Well, if they've had a lot of injuries,
so there is a little bit of merit.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
If they've had a lot of injuries and they've had
five or six, say something like South or the Dolphins
with their sides, and they've gone through Origin and they
get all their players back and they've hit some form
and they just run out of petrol, that could be
quite exciting.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
If you can't get into the eighth in twenty four
rounds and that's matches in twenty seven rounds and you
don't deserve to be.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And my argument on top of that would be we
already say if you don't finish top four, you're not
going to win the camp, right, you're throwing an extra
elimination final. Basically on top of these, all the teams
in the bottom two and the next two they've got
no chance.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I think the main point too, before we move on,
is it doesn't stop resting anyway, because isn't that what
the whole is in what this was all suggested.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Is Blake solid now the NRL boss.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
At least that headline is that breaking. That's a good story.
That's something all right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I have named the full strength side and ominous warning
for the Dragons.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
This is a big test for Shane Flanney, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
It has to be they've I thought they'd been brave there,
you know, a few weeks ago, but now the wheels
have fallen off the season, haven't they. Look I'm a
supporter of Flanno's extension. I've said on this show maybe
two years was too much. I'm happy with the extra year.
But you know, I'm sure we're all hearing all the
same rumblings about some players not being happy with him.
(23:35):
That happens when you're having a losing season. But I
think he's under pressure going into the going into next year.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But was there pressure to re sign him? No, it wasn't, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
It was all about giving this that club some stability
from Mary to Anthony Griffin and then even in Flano's
first year there was you know, it's hard to recruit
and it's hard to bring stability to your club when
you've got a coach that continually got the axe hovering over.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
There is a lot of players on the way out
Web and there's not a lot of players on the
way in Cruels.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Now there's not.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
There's a stack of players gues you could go through
Jack de Bell and Tyrell Sloane.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Who else is leaving like Laurie someone's been the love cruels.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, there we go, there's the outs and there's the
inks and you know, these sort of situations happen at
every club, don't they And it always creates a bit
of a toxic culture when you've got players that are leading.
But I agree with what you're hearing Webbe in that
there is a little bit of unrest And then you
(24:36):
go back to Flanno's situation. They got those two wins
against the Raiders and Cronulla, but the fact of the
matter is they finished eleventh last year. They're currently sitting
fifteenth on the ladder and I just don't know where's
the fire. Why did they have to give him that extension?
Well I couldn't they have waited a few weeks. Has
(24:58):
it resulted in any for the players going to their club?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
And it's more next year on a couple of years
to come. My big issue is what they're going to
do in the Hearts. What are they going to do
with Daniel Atkinson and and and where does he playing?
Is it alongside time King Toyle, I don't know or Kyle.
That's that's the main It has to.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Be though, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
What well.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Kyle Flanagan, We've said it, and we're not picking on
their bloke, like he tries his guts out, But I
just don't see how you think that having Kyle as
as your seven going forward is going to put you
not just in the top eight, but in the top
four or where.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
They want to be.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And they've bought Atkinson, they've got King Tongis, who's a
pretty fair talent, but they've got they've got something that
that Flannel hasn't got.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
They've got a bit more speed and.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And I just don't understand why Locky Ilius hasn't got
another shot this year. Like you know, he came off
a broken leg. They brought him, they brought him to
the club. He kept coming off a broken leg. He
hardly got it answer to secure his position. Once he
got punted, he never came back. And yet we've watched
them finish the season like they did, and there's no
(26:08):
question against the Raiders and Cronulla they went really bloody well.
But I can't see the improvement there. And I've said
it before and I'll say it again. If I was
a young halfback coming through, I would not go to
that club while he's there, because there is obviously
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Something going wrong with you.
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