Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Wednesday August 18th, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
Joined by the great Phil 'Buzz' Rothfield and Brent Read the boys dive into the Manly capitulation in 2025 and how much it had to do with the Daly Cherry-Evans departure news. The boys also discuss if the NRL has a diving/milking problem.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to hour old three sixty rub League from every angle.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Baught to you by fort Everest.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Joining me again the great Gordon tealist. It's been the
journal is in Buzz Rothfield and Bret Reid, and we've
got a very special guest, your mate, CEO of the Sharks,
as a test to coming up when heavy hitters.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Great to have the Sharks here tonight, mate. A few
wishes at the club. The footy team's going well well
and do you know be interesting listening to.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Still getting three tickets Buzzle.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am a fully paid up member and have been
for probably twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
If you must have what a bet, a scarf, a beanie, nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I get a hearty pie, A chairman Steve Mace's sweet
every now and then.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's all you get a party, That's all I take.
You're telling poor Pie so much, sweet, so much to say.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You could feel the pressure at Alliance Sunday afternoon after
three straight losses being the finals, hopes were heaned by
a thread and one more loss would be fatal.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Anthony, thank you so much for your time. You've lost
three in a row. Now you need to keep winning
to have any chance of making finals.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
How do you keep your season alive today? I think
that that you could reality check that.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Jacob Oh, he's quick, he's got Spain. He got away
from Corasu, he got away from Connor. Wanna start Coroswe
off a quick playing the ball by.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Out of debby, sir, he.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Ever closes the ball, Tigers come up with that, you know,
and then tell her and now fine and Connor to
lo Li Chick not tied by family, corrosal.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Very wide may Toruma He'll get them.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, with everything on the line, with regardless season, not
to perform like that, which was way blow our best
was disappointing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's how West performance for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Jerry Evans watch at John said, you'll take himself cut
it over the fence. The Tigers have one note for
the season and Cholsey.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We're now hoping to make the finals, which is not
where you want to be. So definitely wanted to finish
with the finals campaign. But yeah, that's obviously looking really
unlikely now.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Tigers twenty six, Seagulls twelve.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That was a turning point.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Thest to actually Mr Mental Center's a crushing blow for
Manly and doubts growing over.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Dce's moved to the roosters.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We've got a bit to unpack here with DCE and
coach Anthony Sebow. Let's start with DCE and yesterday, GORDI
wasn't a good day for you.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Yeah, called the game on triple M and about three
quarters of the way through. You know, not often you
can watch a game and don't know the answers and
watch your many I didn't know the answers. They weren't connected,
they weren't playing for each other, and all the little
one percent of stuff that normally the players pack just
weren't there. So I don't know where they go from there.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Look, Gordie, I'm really worried now about the Cherry Evans
situation at the roost So I know we're going to
get to that, but I am now coming to an
opinion that it might be. I want to start up
by saying I hate seeing champions and great players struggle
at the back end of their careers and not knowing
the appropriate finish line. And I would love to see
(03:33):
Cherry Evans right now consider retirement, retire as a one
club champion legend at the Manly.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Seagulls don't go to the Roosters.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It will cost him a few Bob, don't go there
and knock a young local journeys on eighty grand out of.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The rooster's side. I think.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
PR wise would be a much wise decision for Cherry
Evans to pull up and read it. I just don't
think he's playing well enough for next year at thirty
seven years of age.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
The PR battles lost us. It was lost months ago.
The PR battle he's lost. That that's gone. You can't
win that back. And I think at the moment he's
in a toxic environment and it's a toxic environment of
his own doing because of the way he's handled it.
I think he's playing like a bloke who knows that
that he hasn't handled well and the situation hasn't been
(04:26):
handled well. And I think when he gets out of
Manly and ends up at the Roosters, I think he'll
be a completely different football. I think you'll see more
of the Dali Cherry Evans than normally.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
So you said it's a PR right, that's off the field,
But yeah, on the field, normally, when stuff doesn't go
your way, you can go out there and that's you know,
and that's your solace. That's where you've got your teammates.
You can go there and you can prove everybody.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
Cord I think you know, it's pretty clear that not
every player in that football club is happy with what's
happened and the way it got handled. And maybe it's
maybe to some players when they've got the support of
the entire playing group. It is the solace. But I
don't think he's got a decision and done what well,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Well already I said at the time it happened in
round four, he got on another television show in his
civilian clothes announced he was quitting man at the end
of the season.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Did not want to be there and that was it right.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Tom and Jake Traboi Bitch were a little bit critical
at the time, said it was a decision they wouldn't
have made. The Roosters jumped in after round four. They'd
been white by the They're beaten thirty to twelve by
the Titans, and they were the opinion they needed a
Cooper Cronk style player to come into that football I
just want to go.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Back, he buzz. You mentioned retirement. No one's really gone there,
but you're saying he should retire.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well, I'm saying he's thirty seven next year and from
what I've seen in the last three weeks and he's
sacking from the Queensland state of origin side. I said
to you, I hate seeing old players and I have
seen them over the years, played.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
One season two. It's a realistic chance it would be.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Because of the money involved, and there's talking eight hundred
thousand dollars at the Roosters, it would be a hard decision.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Look, he Undergreen's a lot of money. Day doesn't need
the money. He's flying man. I mean, I don't think
money is a big issue for Daily. I think he's
going all right and regardless of what happens when all
said and done, I think at the end of his
career he'll find a job somewhere. He's not going to
have to struggle for cash. I think for Daily the
big thing is I think he's got something left. I
know we're not seeing it now right because I think
(06:37):
the environment is in and it's stress. It's an environment
he has created. The environment he is is not conduced
and him playing good football. I think when he gets
the Roosters, I think he's going to be so good
for Sam Walker and Hugo Savala. I've seen him a
training with Joey Walsh be good for one half second,
both not from good, I mean Joey Walls the young
(06:58):
half is back up. You go to mainly train. See
how much time Darly spends with Joey Walsh. Just think
he's doing that is a good going and he's going
at the end of this year.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You think he's defensive reads and.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Areas where he's really struggling an attack as well, and
all that is just because of the environries.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
I think that's played a big partner break here.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do you think he's gone, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Did you watch Friday Night the way Savala and Sam
Borker combined.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Since Sam came.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Back, the Bruisters have found their hearts they really had,
and they're about to sit down with Hugo Sabala and
substantially upgrade him for next He's a local junior.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He and Sam worker the future of that club.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Cherry Evans has done nothing in the last three or
four weeks to show that he's going to make much different.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
It's nothing the last three four weeks. Buzzby, you know
what he's done plenty over the last fifteen years. The
show is a hell of a football and right now
he's a better player.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
He's DC at eight hundred thousand dollars better than Hugo
Savalla at eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
Well based in the past month. No, but I think
the past month. You can't measure DC on the past month.
Break it fair.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
He's it's downhill. You don't get another spike at that
if he's twenty five.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
I think he also consider the environment he's in Gordy
and I just as I've said over and over again,
I think the environment at the moment, not the en
was going to.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Be a lot better At the Roosters.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I know how popular Sam Walker and Hugo are amongst
the group.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They've got a really tight knit squad.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
They're knocking off Canterbury, they're storming towards the finals.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
A lot of teams are fearing them now and they're
a very very happy club.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Really, do the Roosters need an eight hundred thousand dollars
half right now, who's who is aging and not playing
his best footy and he's going to take up a
hell of a lot of their cap.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Do you think that's a good decision.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Well, that's a good question, Brath. I think in the
in the long for the long term future, it's a
one year sorry for Sam Walker and Suga Sah.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
I think it's going to benefit those guys immensely next year.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The townshend, didn't they right?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
So he'd been a premiership winning half back, not to
the same level of players D, but the same experience
being there.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They brought him. He was straight, then he fell off
a cliff and Saturn reserve grade. I just got a
text message, can you please slap Brent read on D.
That takes me to the Roosters all right now?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You said last week Barz, there's a chance that he
could go and just coach because he had his contract
wasn't registered with the NRL.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I want to know are the Roosters regard adding their decision.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
We talk about DC making the decision to retire, but
they might want him to retire.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I don't know. I'm just throwing out there.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Have we heard anything from them about where they sit
in this situation.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I think if I could answer the question this way,
if they had their time over again, and if they
knew back in round four when they first approached Cherry
Evans that they weren't going to need him at the
end of the year because of Savella and Walker. I
don't think they would have done the deal. However, Trent
Robinson I think drove the deal. Nick Polyd has supported
(10:33):
him with the deal like he does with all his players.
I think there is a touch of regret there, not
that I'll publicly say anything, and they're hoping what Reidy said,
that he will have something to offer him.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Do they have to do though? Is my question too?
Do they registered? Could they pull the.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I would be of the opinion and with no law
experience whatsoever, that a letter of intent or a contract
has been so which hasn't been registered with the n
r L. So as far as their salary caps concerned,
I think they just don't lodge it and they come
to an arrangement with Cherry Evans and Cherry Evans and
go look for another I.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Don't know that.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
I would imagine there would be some issues cap if
they pulled pulled out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now, but they haven't registered the content. I haven't admitted
they've signed him there still, yeah, but we know they have.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
I think there'd be some drama. If they look, I'd
be stunned with the back now on it. Now, the
interesting thing is a deal, don't Gord. You can't just
back out of that. You've got a football.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You've got a football, You've got.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Daly committed one of the great ones. But you've got
to it's basically destroyed a football club, which is what
Daly is in effect and his management have done this year.
And you're going to tell me he's going to then
walk away from the deal that he has taken, knowing
the manly it's.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
A really interesting story that Braith questioned, Braith House, you
do the Roosters eight hundred thousand dollars half back? Now
what I'm wondering if the Roosters for some reason decided
to walk away from the deal, would any other club
pay him eight hundred k? Would change floating and take
mi Its and George? Would the Titans take him? Or
(12:20):
they are with me in that now.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm asking you were the Titans thinking, I'm not sure? Now, well,
that might be a bad no.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
I'd no, like I probably think that there's still a
bit of bad blood there for what he did last time.
And I know it's probably ten years ago now, But
some things you never forget.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The merely see was that they're criticize when this all
happened from a lot of people, not everyone, not everyone,
but that they were for letting him go or not
re signing or upgrade and extending his contract.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Are they seeing back now looking pretty good? Well?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
If I had the choice right now whom my starting
half back at Manly is, which is Fogging at Camber
or Cherry Evans, I'd be taking Foggery every day of
the week.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Based on the form we've seen out of the past
two months.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, right, decision.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
I think it was a manly decision. Gordy Day made
the decision for them, and I'm sure if things are
gone the other way, I know Dahi will be playing
the way he is now.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think Manly only offered him seven fifty originally.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's what caused the bow up. I think Manly read it.
When we look back in hindsight, they read it well.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
All right, Speculation ramps up around Anthony Sea Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Is he safe or not? Should we get the meter out?
Oh yeah, have you got the meter?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, you love the met You've adjusted the meta today,
I've noticed, Well, I've still got theirs on a ten
and I think that's a pretty obvious one.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And by in the three rounds.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Time, he'll finish up there at the Titans, and I'm
tipping Josh Hannay might be the man. Adam O'Brian has
stayed the same at nine. Peter Parr, I speak to
him all the time. The CEO insists is safe for now.
I reckon the precious building th body. Peyton desperately needed
yesterday's win. Now you've seen I've dropped Benji to zero
(14:05):
because I had to.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's nice man. Yeah, I'm glad. So you're sorry you've
got You've only got Sea bowled at three. I'll tell
you what I've got him at.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Three because I made a lot of calls today to
powerbrokers there and they.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Insist it's not their opinion of yours. Well, my opinion
is he should be on about a seven.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But I'm trying to inform the people watching this show
right now and from my phone calls I made today,
he will line up as coach for Manly in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think he shall be under the cable. Let's get
another gate. How many weeks will he last? Next week,
next year. Yeah, Gordy, but what do you think I'm
asking you? This is your not a lot popularity contest opinion. Well,
he's going to be there at ten or.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Twelve unless they're going to write in the first eight
to ten weeks next year.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The pressure we see, we heard that if they didn't
make finals is going to be gone this year.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
There's some pretty extenuating circumstances for the American audio. No
one saw, you know, Jake struggling like he has this
year and suffering the head knock. No one saw Tommy
struggling a little bit like he has, and no one
saw it out my daily. So there's And they lost
Taniel at Paseca in round three. Josh l a season
has been over. They got destroyed through the middle on
the weekend they had no middles. Tigers just dismantled them
(15:24):
through the middle of the park.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The big edge forward.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
Has been injured as well. So there's been some circumstances.
Life really difficult for Manly and I think the club's
doing You're happy with him keeping definitely don't think they've
under perform this year, not given what that he should
be a seven. So there are notes for second since
round three.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
As I said, go and have a look at South's injuries.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
What sort of comparisons that.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, I'm just saying clubs two weeks ago they've had
injuries manly, but all clubs have had injurious.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
They've had neificant injuries, buzz and and I've had the
day Van side.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Let's not that I totally understand what you're saying, and
I agree, but what about when one week is with
these injuries, you see a team that just absolutely murder Melbourne,
then the week after Broncos they're pathetic.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, so how do you explain that.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
I don't know how to explain that, broth And I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Answer all your excuse without the window.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
I'm sure Sieves would love to have the answer to
it as well.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I thought Sieves yesterday I saw just there Jake Duke
on Sunday ticket interviewing.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And he was edgy. You said, you know, he got
his back up and that's okay. It's been a tough question.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But the only reason I point this out is because
normally when you see Anthony Sebill before and after games,
regardless of the result, he's always the same, always really
controlled and measured and positive. You know, and I hadn't
seen him like that, So to me, that sort of
showed me maybe he's under a bit of pressure there,
and you know that was him before the game.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Well he's und he is under pressure.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean I.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Could see and I think he knows there's pressure there
and he knows whe're talking about it on this show
on a Monday night, right and a Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
There.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
So you saw Andrew Webster over there in New Zealand.
He's under the same amount of pressure they were on top.
They've had injuries. He just did a press conference. Blue
Whistle had a bit of fun about it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You can't take it.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
You can't take they're going to play finals.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Also saw the situation you say you should get a whistle. No,
but I'm just saying that and feeds straight down into
your club break.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You also saw what Jason Riles did, who's on a
similar contract, Dylan Brown, and he dropped him to give
someone who's at that club an opportunity. And I would
have thought, now they're out of finals contention, that next
year planning should start now.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Well, I asked the question today about that buzz and
I think given not because my belief is Jerry Wats
the young kid, young back up half. I think you
give him to go now if not this week fifty
so not this week right now, three fiftieth, but next
week if they lose this week and they're completely out
of finals contention, I think in some way you've got
(18:14):
to incorporate Joey Walsh into that team, whether it's off
the bench, and you tell Daily made after thirty.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Minutes, make this DC's last game, three hundred and fifty,
that's where you're going to finish.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
No, I don't think. I don't think you throw Darlian
reserve grade. You can't do that. Goody not to I
think I think you're either starting in Joey Walsh on
the bench, or you put Daily on the bench. We
start Joey Walsh, but you're putting you on the bench
because we're planning for the future. Buzz, and they're out
of finals contention.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But he didn't want to be there.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
He he didn't reckless see somebody upset and you know,
fractured that club in round.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Understand that, and you you know it's not no, it's
not me saying that, Buzz. I'm telling you that's what
the club's telling me, and look, one thing Seems has
done this year is backed daily to the hill. People
like you were saying take the captaincy off him, and
lots of people agree with you on that. Seves wouldn't
do it. People are now saying, mate, maybe give someone
else to start in first grade. I don't think Seeds
(19:12):
will do it because I think he appreciates what Dull
has done for that club for three hundred and fifty games.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Can I just give it a quick example of the
West Tigers. They let the hook go and they let
Galvin go.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yesterday they fielded seventeen men who were committed to that jersey,
to the logo, to their fans, their sponsors, and all
their stakeholders.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's the difference. When you get seventeen.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Players there want to be there, want to be their
long term, want to work with Benji to become a
top eight club. Manly found out after round four this
year that Cherry Evans did not want to be part
of that.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'm not, But I'm using as an example. If Blake's
some wanted to be there, whoshka ot you go?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, no talking to the Tigers ready, great, gap fly
and Benji's got his swagger back.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
He is.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
He was in a very chirpy mood in the press coom.
Just there, Benji. And I've said it on the show
several times, but I reckon they've been one of the
great improvers this season. I think Benji has done an
amazing job. I think Rich is doing a great job.
And they're going to be better next year. They've got Kit, Pierce,
Paul coming, Taylor Male male of the full pre season.
They're going to be a better team next year. I
think they play finals footed next year. The kool Aid
(20:24):
do you think they do? You think they can play
it this year? Well they did they look they did
a lot of things to go their way with the
good good run, home break, Cowboys, Laders, Raiders, my rest players, Titans,
They've got a good run. They might finish his share
of eighth, may make it end.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm just looking at my table now. I don't We'll
get to come back to you. I bring a premiership table,
so I got one to answer your question.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I don't think they can make the top eight break
but in a miracle, but there's a first Air West
Tigers fans ready says you're gonna make the followers.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Grand Final rematch between the Panthers and.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Storm was one of the most highly anticipated games of
the season, and boy did he deliver.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So I arguably matched the year's Storm and Panthers. To
kick off round number twenty four, Here we go, our
stack will play had Audam Toby half on the last.
I think he's gone, grit we shut. Here we go.
Coats feet off, coats to god him over the top.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Edwards Weather Cleari Weather goes.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
To the line and ball.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Turn the line and clina water for to Lugi pass
and hope can't swim a ball. Catch me if you
can save your coats. Cleaner's teleg save your coats. He's
got another one. Beckon will come here he goes Cleari
shut penalty.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't like it. He hasn't done a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And Grant has played for the pedal Harry, Grant's played there, okay,
but that is the rule.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
If I was in the field of play and you
run the block shape, it wouldn't be an instruction.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Harry played for it because he knew he was going
to get the penalty.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Pedroick Trader on the field, No surprise back and goes
to Clarie and flots outs out again right in front
of the posts.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's great, who done him?
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Harry grad magician, Paul's a whole family.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Of rabbits out of a hat. That is absolutely all
time from Harry.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Grant, Full time Melbourne twenty two from Penroth eighty.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That was the moment around thanks to Ford.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So much controversy around the finish, but first of all,
that game that was it, It really was.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It was a screamer. I thought Penrith be home, but
Storm just kept coming back. Grant at the end with
the try.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Yeah, they were great in the second half. Member the
first half they struggled, struggled out of their own end,
but the second half they were.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
They were brilliant.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Semifinals come earlier. I just wanted to say that first,
but that was that was a cracking game when when
either way and both sides had a chance to win
it in the end Golden pointing, Harry.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Pendris were great.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That first forty got relentless I think it was nineteen
from nineteen completed citsy. The speed of the line nyled ruthless.
I thought Melbourne were in some trouble, but they he
brought a fire back the bars, buzz bars, you're filthy.
I'm happy with these dives. I hate dives.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I hate them. I think they're a blight in the game.
I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And what we saw there with Harry Grant the other
night when he charged out of dummy half to.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Put pressure on Cleary, that was never ever his aim.
His aim when he.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Left dummy half was to run towards Moses Leoda, fling
his arm out fall to the ground milk a penalty. Now,
the NRL put out a real sheet at the beginning
of this year saying they're going to be ticularly looking
out for players who take dives, try to deceive a
referee and get a penalty from it. I don't think
anyone at this table called argue what I'm saying. He
(24:08):
took a dive and you.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Makes it was Moses lead directly in his line.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
It's a penalty. It's a penalty every day of the week.
The contact, the contacts and he walks towards it. Whether
Harry played up to it or not, it's a different issue.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well, I don't say whether he did. You know he
played up so he ran straight for him.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Still man's a bit on the fence, but it's a
dead penalty every day of the week because he's not
supposed to be there. And he moved, even at the
last minute, he moved, moved a fraction. Well that's what
he got.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The bottom line is, the bottom line is you know
as well as I do, Grant had no intent to
put pressure on Cleary.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, he played for a penalty. He took a dive. Somehow,
the NRL, the.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
People down there in the football department have got to
stop this from happening, not just in these sort of situations.
In high tackles, they go down, they're not hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Wait for the bark. I agree with the high tackles.
It's too much and we've got to crack down on that.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
The referees, they come up as hard to believe, but
they didn't bring in this because, like you're saying here,
yours you said is black and white. A few others
don't you know? The odor does move. He is in
the way of the of Harry Grant. How can you
define that as a definite dive.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
But by the fact he's stuck his arm out braking,
he still the one flung himself and he exaggerated the move,
but he still was in his way, you know, And
I still did move that little bit to get on
the out a little bit, I know, But this is
the thing, that's a great move. So but with the
high shots, like if you stay down, I think, what
are you bringing in the bringing the red card or
(25:45):
the yellow card?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, what I want to do in the same team.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
When they had a diving epidemic in global soccer, particularly
the EPL, they produce a ylow card when they can
determine the players taken over.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The Panthers were filthy. But here is one that we've
seen there around my last year where Nathan does a
similar thing.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Right, Nathan plays for the penalty in this situation.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So every team does it, all the smart players.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
The only thing in this he ran straight into him,
purpose and spun and look straight at the reference to this.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
He can run around him.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So what's the difference there, bus Well, I'm not saying
there's the difference at all, And I'm not being critical
Harry Grant because he played to the Royals, did nothing ilegal.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's the gad he took it. Yeah, that's the gray area.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
But what I hate ready, I cannot stand Blake's getting
accidentally topped high and then they fall to the deck.
There in their eyes they're looking for the trainer, waiting
for the bunker to have a laugh at it.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Now not hard because it wasn't a problem in my era, right,
and I don't want to keep on going back and
being the old dinosaur. They used to move the ball
over three meters and play on and the trainer deals
with it, and if and if there was foul play,
they go to the judiciary on a Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's the way I played the game. Wasn't bad back then.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
It wasn't broke me this and this isn't an issue
for the NRL. The NRAL, I don't think can fixes.
This is a club, a coaching and a player issue.
Coaches and players need to own this. If they don't
want to say, well, they need to. If we want
to see diving out the game, they need to take ownership.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
With the premissure on the line and the grand pole.
You don't think the scores are level, tend to go
someone's hit.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
I'm saying that, but they need to not do it.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But they were in the club. But you can't.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
NRL to make decisions on whether guys are injured or
not injured. It's too hard, Brody.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
If a man, I just want to say this card.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If there's a high tackle and the player can't immediately
get up at normal speed to play the ball, he
should automatically there's something wrong with him, he's days, so
he's taken a high shot. He should leave the field
and play straight away for an assessment, and that will
stop blokes going down. Not an interchange, not need to change,
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but a sideline examination.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
But the buzz Also, coaches and players need to take
some responsibility. This is their doing. They're making a consciousness
to this. Well, they need to gordon. They need to
probably not because they want to win. They need to
change ownership.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
But as I said, one of the top coaches in
the game told me on Saturday that a coach is
derelict in his duties if he does not tell his
players to lie.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
He needs to have a good look at himself in
the mirror.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, no he doesn't, because I was in the damage.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Look at the damage it's doing the game.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That stuff, Well, everyone's got the damage. They've got they've
got a competition.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Jayden Campbell the one honorable act I've seen on the
football field with this situation two weeks ago, probably cost
his side golden point.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
The referee did. Because the referee didn't see it. So
Jaden did the head, pulled up the great eye and
given them Jeffrey misses it. We've got to learn to
live with it. And I said it on that day.
So Jaden right here, this was the penalty is I
actually think Jayden did the right thing. It gets collected
(29:17):
in the head. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't a
reportable offense. And said it was fifty to fifty. No,
adamant wasn't. That was wrong. No, you're wrong, said it
was fifty fifty. I spoke. We must spoke to people. Yeah,
he spoke to the boss. Yeah. No, they were about
adamant that it wasn't. Well, you don't think there's a
(29:38):
diving problem, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
It's like it's embarrassing. The coach would say that he's
derelicting his duty if he doesn't tell his players to dive.
That's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, but it's up bold players will tell you. What
can I tell you why? You can tell you why.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
It's all orchestrated by coaches and players.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Can I make you stop it?
Speaker 8 (29:55):
They've got the power stop it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You think you know what? You stop it?
Speaker 8 (29:59):
Take some personal responsible and accountability, you know, telling yourself
like when stay down.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
I can't we just name and shame the players I
do and just put them up on a clipboard like
an honest Benny Hill music or something tiny.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Brody because he hates it as much as anyone else.
Had on hold on he he hates it as much
as anyone else. But the bottom line is he has
to win football games Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Hates can I guarantee you? I guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
All the other coaches do the same thing, except as
Hasler because Campbell jumped straight to his feet.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Or maybe Campbell didn't listen too much at stake Guys
on your coaches it is yeah, maybe they should start diving.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
We support you, We support before the break Monday, buzz
you you got Friday on your mind?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
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Storm Bulldogs to.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
What you do?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Fifteen to go in the first game, You're alredo your
tied takeaway Jungle chicken curry. I'll get the six beers
out there, mate. That is the best I drink the
little twist tops. That is the best Friday night of
rugby league in history.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Beautiful two games free from the shaft, they make piez
at home, figure around journals and after a thrilling ten
twenty series, Australia take on South Africa in the first
ode tomorrow from two pm and you can catch all
the action exclusively live on Fox Cricket
Welcome to hour old three sixty rub League from every angle.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Baught to you by fort Everest.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Joining me again the great Gordon tealist. It's been the
journal is in Buzz Rothfield and Bret Reid, and we've
got a very special guest, your mate, CEO of the Sharks,
as a test to coming up when heavy hitters.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Great to have the Sharks here tonight, mate. A few
wishes at the club. The footy team's going well well
and do you know be interesting listening to.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Still getting three tickets Buzzle.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am a fully paid up member and have been
for probably twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
If you must have what a bet, a scarf, a beanie, nothing.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I get a hearty pie, A chairman Steve Mace's sweet
every now and then.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's all you get a party, That's all I take.
You're telling poor Pie so much, sweet, so much to say.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You could feel the pressure at Alliance Sunday afternoon after
three straight losses being the finals, hopes were heaned by
a thread and one more loss would be fatal.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Anthony, thank you so much for your time. You've lost
three in a row. Now you need to keep winning
to have any chance of making finals.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
How do you keep your season alive today? I think
that that you could reality check that.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Jacob Oh, he's quick, he's got Spain. He got away
from Corasu, he got away from Connor. Wanna start Coroswe
off a quick playing the ball by.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Out of debby, sir, he.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Ever closes the ball, Tigers come up with that, you know,
and then tell her and now fine and Connor to
lo Li Chick not tied by family, corrosal.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Very wide may Toruma He'll get them.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, with everything on the line, with regardless season, not
to perform like that, which was way blow our best
was disappointing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's how West performance for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Jerry Evans watch at John said, you'll take himself cut
it over the fence. The Tigers have one note for
the season and Cholsey.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We're now hoping to make the finals, which is not
where you want to be. So definitely wanted to finish
with the finals campaign. But yeah, that's obviously looking really
unlikely now.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Tigers twenty six, Seagulls twelve.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That was a turning point.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Thest to actually Mr Mental Center's a crushing blow for
Manly and doubts growing over.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Dce's moved to the roosters.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We've got a bit to unpack here with DCE and
coach Anthony Sebow. Let's start with DCE and yesterday, GORDI
wasn't a good day for you.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Yeah, called the game on triple M and about three
quarters of the way through. You know, not often you
can watch a game and don't know the answers and
watch your many I didn't know the answers. They weren't connected,
they weren't playing for each other, and all the little
one percent of stuff that normally the players pack just
weren't there. So I don't know where they go from there.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Look, Gordie, I'm really worried now about the Cherry Evans
situation at the roost So I know we're going to
get to that, but I am now coming to an
opinion that it might be. I want to start up
by saying I hate seeing champions and great players struggle
at the back end of their careers and not knowing
the appropriate finish line. And I would love to see
(03:33):
Cherry Evans right now consider retirement, retire as a one
club champion legend at the Manly.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Seagulls don't go to the Roosters.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It will cost him a few Bob, don't go there
and knock a young local journeys on eighty grand out of.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The rooster's side. I think.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
PR wise would be a much wise decision for Cherry
Evans to pull up and read it. I just don't
think he's playing well enough for next year at thirty
seven years of age.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
The PR battles lost us. It was lost months ago.
The PR battle he's lost. That that's gone. You can't
win that back. And I think at the moment he's
in a toxic environment and it's a toxic environment of
his own doing because of the way he's handled it.
I think he's playing like a bloke who knows that
that he hasn't handled well and the situation hasn't been
(04:26):
handled well. And I think when he gets out of
Manly and ends up at the Roosters, I think he'll
be a completely different football. I think you'll see more
of the Dali Cherry Evans than normally.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
So you said it's a PR right, that's off the field,
But yeah, on the field, normally, when stuff doesn't go
your way, you can go out there and that's you know,
and that's your solace. That's where you've got your teammates.
You can go there and you can prove everybody.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
Cord I think you know, it's pretty clear that not
every player in that football club is happy with what's
happened and the way it got handled. And maybe it's
maybe to some players when they've got the support of
the entire playing group. It is the solace. But I
don't think he's got a decision and done what well,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Well already I said at the time it happened in
round four, he got on another television show in his
civilian clothes announced he was quitting man at the end
of the season.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Did not want to be there and that was it right.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Tom and Jake Traboi Bitch were a little bit critical
at the time, said it was a decision they wouldn't
have made. The Roosters jumped in after round four. They'd
been white by the They're beaten thirty to twelve by
the Titans, and they were the opinion they needed a
Cooper Cronk style player to come into that football I
just want to go.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Back, he buzz. You mentioned retirement. No one's really gone there,
but you're saying he should retire.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well, I'm saying he's thirty seven next year and from
what I've seen in the last three weeks and he's
sacking from the Queensland state of origin side. I said
to you, I hate seeing old players and I have
seen them over the years, played.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
One season two. It's a realistic chance it would be.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Because of the money involved, and there's talking eight hundred
thousand dollars at the Roosters, it would be a hard decision.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Look, he Undergreen's a lot of money. Day doesn't need
the money. He's flying man. I mean, I don't think
money is a big issue for Daily. I think he's
going all right and regardless of what happens when all
said and done, I think at the end of his
career he'll find a job somewhere. He's not going to
have to struggle for cash. I think for Daily the
big thing is I think he's got something left. I
know we're not seeing it now right because I think
(06:37):
the environment is in and it's stress. It's an environment
he has created. The environment he is is not conduced
and him playing good football. I think when he gets
the Roosters, I think he's going to be so good
for Sam Walker and Hugo Savala. I've seen him a
training with Joey Walsh be good for one half second,
both not from good, I mean Joey Walls the young
(06:58):
half is back up. You go to mainly train. See
how much time Darly spends with Joey Walsh. Just think
he's doing that is a good going and he's going
at the end of this year.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You think he's defensive reads and.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Areas where he's really struggling an attack as well, and
all that is just because of the environries.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
I think that's played a big partner break here.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do you think he's gone, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Did you watch Friday Night the way Savala and Sam
Borker combined.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Since Sam came.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Back, the Bruisters have found their hearts they really had,
and they're about to sit down with Hugo Sabala and
substantially upgrade him for next He's a local junior.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He and Sam worker the future of that club.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Cherry Evans has done nothing in the last three or
four weeks to show that he's going to make much different.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
It's nothing the last three four weeks. Buzzby, you know
what he's done plenty over the last fifteen years. The
show is a hell of a football and right now
he's a better player.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
He's DC at eight hundred thousand dollars better than Hugo
Savalla at eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
Well based in the past month. No, but I think
the past month. You can't measure DC on the past month.
Break it fair.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
He's it's downhill. You don't get another spike at that
if he's twenty five.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
I think he also consider the environment he's in Gordy
and I just as I've said over and over again,
I think the environment at the moment, not the en
was going to.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Be a lot better At the Roosters.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I know how popular Sam Walker and Hugo are amongst
the group.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They've got a really tight knit squad.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
They're knocking off Canterbury, they're storming towards the finals.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
A lot of teams are fearing them now and they're
a very very happy club.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Really, do the Roosters need an eight hundred thousand dollars
half right now, who's who is aging and not playing
his best footy and he's going to take up a
hell of a lot of their cap.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Do you think that's a good decision.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Well, that's a good question, Brath. I think in the
in the long for the long term future, it's a
one year sorry for Sam Walker and Suga Sah.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
I think it's going to benefit those guys immensely next year.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The townshend, didn't they right?
Speaker 7 (09:28):
So he'd been a premiership winning half back, not to
the same level of players D, but the same experience
being there.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They brought him. He was straight, then he fell off
a cliff and Saturn reserve grade. I just got a
text message, can you please slap Brent read on D.
That takes me to the Roosters all right now?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
You said last week Barz, there's a chance that he
could go and just coach because he had his contract
wasn't registered with the NRL.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I want to know are the Roosters regard adding their decision.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
We talk about DC making the decision to retire, but
they might want him to retire.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I don't know. I'm just throwing out there.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Have we heard anything from them about where they sit
in this situation.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I think if I could answer the question this way,
if they had their time over again, and if they
knew back in round four when they first approached Cherry
Evans that they weren't going to need him at the
end of the year because of Savella and Walker. I
don't think they would have done the deal. However, Trent
Robinson I think drove the deal. Nick Polyd has supported
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him with the deal like he does with all his players.
I think there is a touch of regret there, not
that I'll publicly say anything, and they're hoping what Reidy said,
that he will have something to offer him.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Do they have to do though? Is my question too?
Do they registered? Could they pull the.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I would be of the opinion and with no law
experience whatsoever, that a letter of intent or a contract
has been so which hasn't been registered with the n
r L. So as far as their salary caps concerned,
I think they just don't lodge it and they come
to an arrangement with Cherry Evans and Cherry Evans and
go look for another I.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Don't know that.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
I would imagine there would be some issues cap if
they pulled pulled out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now, but they haven't registered the content. I haven't admitted
they've signed him there still, yeah, but we know they have.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
I think there'd be some drama. If they look, I'd
be stunned with the back now on it. Now, the
interesting thing is a deal, don't Gord. You can't just
back out of that. You've got a football.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You've got a football, You've got.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Daly committed one of the great ones. But you've got
to it's basically destroyed a football club, which is what
Daly is in effect and his management have done this year.
And you're going to tell me he's going to then
walk away from the deal that he has taken, knowing
the manly it's.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
A really interesting story that Braith questioned, Braith House, you
do the Roosters eight hundred thousand dollars half back? Now
what I'm wondering if the Roosters for some reason decided
to walk away from the deal, would any other club
pay him eight hundred k? Would change floating and take
mi Its and George? Would the Titans take him? Or
(12:20):
they are with me in that now.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I'm asking you were the Titans thinking, I'm not sure? Now, well,
that might be a bad no.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
I'd no, like I probably think that there's still a
bit of bad blood there for what he did last time.
And I know it's probably ten years ago now, But
some things you never forget.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The merely see was that they're criticize when this all
happened from a lot of people, not everyone, not everyone,
but that they were for letting him go or not
re signing or upgrade and extending his contract.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Are they seeing back now looking pretty good? Well?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
If I had the choice right now whom my starting
half back at Manly is, which is Fogging at Camber
or Cherry Evans, I'd be taking Foggery every day of
the week.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Based on the form we've seen out of the past
two months.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, right, decision.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
I think it was a manly decision. Gordy Day made
the decision for them, and I'm sure if things are
gone the other way, I know Dahi will be playing
the way he is now.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think Manly only offered him seven fifty originally.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's what caused the bow up. I think Manly read it.
When we look back in hindsight, they read it well.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
All right, Speculation ramps up around Anthony Sea Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Is he safe or not? Should we get the meter out?
Oh yeah, have you got the meter?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, you love the met You've adjusted the meta today,
I've noticed, Well, I've still got theirs on a ten
and I think that's a pretty obvious one.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And by in the three rounds.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Time, he'll finish up there at the Titans, and I'm
tipping Josh Hannay might be the man. Adam O'Brian has
stayed the same at nine. Peter Parr, I speak to
him all the time. The CEO insists is safe for now.
I reckon the precious building th body. Peyton desperately needed
yesterday's win. Now you've seen I've dropped Benji to zero
(14:05):
because I had to.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's nice man. Yeah, I'm glad. So you're sorry you've
got You've only got Sea bowled at three. I'll tell
you what I've got him at.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Three because I made a lot of calls today to
powerbrokers there and they.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Insist it's not their opinion of yours. Well, my opinion
is he should be on about a seven.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But I'm trying to inform the people watching this show
right now and from my phone calls I made today,
he will line up as coach for Manly in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think he shall be under the cable. Let's get
another gate. How many weeks will he last? Next week,
next year. Yeah, Gordy, but what do you think I'm
asking you? This is your not a lot popularity contest opinion. Well,
he's going to be there at ten or.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Twelve unless they're going to write in the first eight
to ten weeks next year.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The pressure we see, we heard that if they didn't
make finals is going to be gone this year.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
There's some pretty extenuating circumstances for the American audio. No
one saw, you know, Jake struggling like he has this
year and suffering the head knock. No one saw Tommy
struggling a little bit like he has, and no one
saw it out my daily. So there's And they lost
Taniel at Paseca in round three. Josh l a season
has been over. They got destroyed through the middle on
the weekend they had no middles. Tigers just dismantled them
(15:24):
through the middle of the park.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The big edge forward.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
Has been injured as well. So there's been some circumstances.
Life really difficult for Manly and I think the club's
doing You're happy with him keeping definitely don't think they've
under perform this year, not given what that he should
be a seven. So there are notes for second since
round three.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
As I said, go and have a look at South's injuries.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
What sort of comparisons that.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, I'm just saying clubs two weeks ago they've had
injuries manly, but all clubs have had injurious.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
They've had neificant injuries, buzz and and I've had the
day Van side.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Let's not that I totally understand what you're saying, and
I agree, but what about when one week is with
these injuries, you see a team that just absolutely murder Melbourne,
then the week after Broncos they're pathetic.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, so how do you explain that.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
I don't know how to explain that, broth And I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Answer all your excuse without the window.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
I'm sure Sieves would love to have the answer to
it as well.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I thought Sieves yesterday I saw just there Jake Duke
on Sunday ticket interviewing.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And he was edgy. You said, you know, he got
his back up and that's okay. It's been a tough question.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But the only reason I point this out is because
normally when you see Anthony Sebill before and after games,
regardless of the result, he's always the same, always really
controlled and measured and positive. You know, and I hadn't
seen him like that, So to me, that sort of
showed me maybe he's under a bit of pressure there,
and you know that was him before the game.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Well he's und he is under pressure.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I mean I.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Could see and I think he knows there's pressure there
and he knows whe're talking about it on this show
on a Monday night, right and a Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
There.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
So you saw Andrew Webster over there in New Zealand.
He's under the same amount of pressure they were on top.
They've had injuries. He just did a press conference. Blue
Whistle had a bit of fun about it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You can't take it.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
You can't take they're going to play finals.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Also saw the situation you say you should get a whistle. No,
but I'm just saying that and feeds straight down into
your club break.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You also saw what Jason Riles did, who's on a
similar contract, Dylan Brown, and he dropped him to give
someone who's at that club an opportunity. And I would
have thought, now they're out of finals contention, that next
year planning should start now.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Well, I asked the question today about that buzz and
I think given not because my belief is Jerry Wats
the young kid, young back up half. I think you
give him to go now if not this week fifty
so not this week right now, three fiftieth, but next
week if they lose this week and they're completely out
of finals contention, I think in some way you've got
(18:14):
to incorporate Joey Walsh into that team, whether it's off
the bench, and you tell Daily made after thirty.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Minutes, make this DC's last game, three hundred and fifty,
that's where you're going to finish.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
No, I don't think. I don't think you throw Darlian
reserve grade. You can't do that. Goody not to I
think I think you're either starting in Joey Walsh on
the bench, or you put Daily on the bench. We
start Joey Walsh, but you're putting you on the bench
because we're planning for the future. Buzz, and they're out
of finals contention.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But he didn't want to be there.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
He he didn't reckless see somebody upset and you know,
fractured that club in round.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
Understand that, and you you know it's not no, it's
not me saying that, Buzz. I'm telling you that's what
the club's telling me, and look, one thing Seems has
done this year is backed daily to the hill. People
like you were saying take the captaincy off him, and
lots of people agree with you on that. Seves wouldn't
do it. People are now saying, mate, maybe give someone
else to start in first grade. I don't think Seeds
(19:12):
will do it because I think he appreciates what Dull
has done for that club for three hundred and fifty games.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Can I just give it a quick example of the
West Tigers. They let the hook go and they let
Galvin go.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yesterday they fielded seventeen men who were committed to that jersey,
to the logo, to their fans, their sponsors, and all
their stakeholders.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's the difference. When you get seventeen.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Players there want to be there, want to be their
long term, want to work with Benji to become a
top eight club. Manly found out after round four this
year that Cherry Evans did not want to be part
of that.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'm not, But I'm using as an example. If Blake's
some wanted to be there, whoshka ot you go?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, no talking to the Tigers ready, great, gap fly
and Benji's got his swagger back.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
He is.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
He was in a very chirpy mood in the press coom.
Just there, Benji. And I've said it on the show
several times, but I reckon they've been one of the
great improvers this season. I think Benji has done an
amazing job. I think Rich is doing a great job.
And they're going to be better next year. They've got Kit, Pierce,
Paul coming, Taylor Male male of the full pre season.
They're going to be a better team next year. I
think they play finals footed next year. The kool Aid
(20:24):
do you think they do? You think they can play
it this year? Well they did they look they did
a lot of things to go their way with the
good good run, home break, Cowboys, Laders, Raiders, my rest players, Titans,
They've got a good run. They might finish his share
of eighth, may make it end.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm just looking at my table now. I don't We'll
get to come back to you. I bring a premiership table,
so I got one to answer your question.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I don't think they can make the top eight break
but in a miracle, but there's a first Air West
Tigers fans ready says you're gonna make the followers.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Grand Final rematch between the Panthers and.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Storm was one of the most highly anticipated games of
the season, and boy did he deliver.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So I arguably matched the year's Storm and Panthers. To
kick off round number twenty four, Here we go, our
stack will play had Audam Toby half on the last.
I think he's gone, grit we shut. Here we go.
Coats feet off, coats to god him over the top.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Edwards Weather Cleari Weather goes.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
To the line and ball.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Turn the line and clina water for to Lugi pass
and hope can't swim a ball. Catch me if you
can save your coats. Cleaner's teleg save your coats. He's
got another one. Beckon will come here he goes Cleari
shut penalty.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't like it. He hasn't done a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And Grant has played for the pedal Harry, Grant's played there, okay,
but that is the rule.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
If I was in the field of play and you
run the block shape, it wouldn't be an instruction.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Harry played for it because he knew he was going
to get the penalty.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Pedroick Trader on the field, No surprise back and goes
to Clarie and flots outs out again right in front
of the posts.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's great, who done him?
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Harry grad magician, Paul's a whole family.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Of rabbits out of a hat. That is absolutely all
time from Harry.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Grant, Full time Melbourne twenty two from Penroth eighty.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That was the moment around thanks to Ford.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So much controversy around the finish, but first of all,
that game that was it, It really was.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It was a screamer. I thought Penrith be home, but
Storm just kept coming back. Grant at the end with
the try.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Yeah, they were great in the second half. Member the
first half they struggled, struggled out of their own end,
but the second half they were.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
They were brilliant.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Semifinals come earlier. I just wanted to say that first,
but that was that was a cracking game when when
either way and both sides had a chance to win
it in the end Golden pointing, Harry.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Pendris were great.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That first forty got relentless I think it was nineteen
from nineteen completed citsy. The speed of the line nyled ruthless.
I thought Melbourne were in some trouble, but they he
brought a fire back the bars, buzz bars, you're filthy.
I'm happy with these dives. I hate dives.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I hate them. I think they're a blight in the game.
I really do.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And what we saw there with Harry Grant the other
night when he charged out of dummy half to.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Put pressure on Cleary, that was never ever his aim.
His aim when he.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Left dummy half was to run towards Moses Leoda, fling
his arm out fall to the ground milk a penalty. Now,
the NRL put out a real sheet at the beginning
of this year saying they're going to be ticularly looking
out for players who take dives, try to deceive a
referee and get a penalty from it. I don't think
anyone at this table called argue what I'm saying. He
(24:08):
took a dive and you.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Makes it was Moses lead directly in his line.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
It's a penalty. It's a penalty every day of the week.
The contact, the contacts and he walks towards it. Whether
Harry played up to it or not, it's a different issue.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well, I don't say whether he did. You know he
played up so he ran straight for him.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Still man's a bit on the fence, but it's a
dead penalty every day of the week because he's not
supposed to be there. And he moved, even at the
last minute, he moved, moved a fraction. Well that's what
he got.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
The bottom line is, the bottom line is you know
as well as I do, Grant had no intent to
put pressure on Cleary.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, he played for a penalty. He took a dive. Somehow,
the NRL, the.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
People down there in the football department have got to
stop this from happening, not just in these sort of situations.
In high tackles, they go down, they're not hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Wait for the bark. I agree with the high tackles.
It's too much and we've got to crack down on that.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
The referees, they come up as hard to believe, but
they didn't bring in this because, like you're saying here,
yours you said is black and white. A few others
don't you know? The odor does move. He is in
the way of the of Harry Grant. How can you
define that as a definite dive.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
But by the fact he's stuck his arm out braking,
he still the one flung himself and he exaggerated the move,
but he still was in his way, you know, And
I still did move that little bit to get on
the out a little bit, I know, But this is
the thing, that's a great move. So but with the
high shots, like if you stay down, I think, what
are you bringing in the bringing the red card or
(25:45):
the yellow card?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, what I want to do in the same team.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
When they had a diving epidemic in global soccer, particularly
the EPL, they produce a ylow card when they can
determine the players taken over.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
The Panthers were filthy. But here is one that we've
seen there around my last year where Nathan does a
similar thing.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Right, Nathan plays for the penalty in this situation.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So every team does it, all the smart players.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
The only thing in this he ran straight into him,
purpose and spun and look straight at the reference to this.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
He can run around him.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So what's the difference there, bus Well, I'm not saying
there's the difference at all, And I'm not being critical
Harry Grant because he played to the Royals, did nothing ilegal.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's the gad he took it. Yeah, that's the gray area.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
But what I hate ready, I cannot stand Blake's getting
accidentally topped high and then they fall to the deck.
There in their eyes they're looking for the trainer, waiting
for the bunker to have a laugh at it.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Now not hard because it wasn't a problem in my era, right,
and I don't want to keep on going back and
being the old dinosaur. They used to move the ball
over three meters and play on and the trainer deals
with it, and if and if there was foul play,
they go to the judiciary on a Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's the way I played the game. Wasn't bad back then.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
It wasn't broke me this and this isn't an issue
for the NRL. The NRAL, I don't think can fixes.
This is a club, a coaching and a player issue.
Coaches and players need to own this. If they don't
want to say, well, they need to. If we want
to see diving out the game, they need to take ownership.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
With the premissure on the line and the grand pole.
You don't think the scores are level, tend to go
someone's hit.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
I'm saying that, but they need to not do it.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But they were in the club. But you can't.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
NRL to make decisions on whether guys are injured or
not injured. It's too hard, Brody.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
If a man, I just want to say this card.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
If there's a high tackle and the player can't immediately
get up at normal speed to play the ball, he
should automatically there's something wrong with him, he's days, so
he's taken a high shot. He should leave the field
and play straight away for an assessment, and that will
stop blokes going down. Not an interchange, not need to change,
(28:01):
but a sideline examination.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
But the buzz Also, coaches and players need to take
some responsibility. This is their doing. They're making a consciousness
to this. Well, they need to gordon. They need to
probably not because they want to win. They need to
change ownership.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
But as I said, one of the top coaches in
the game told me on Saturday that a coach is
derelict in his duties if he does not tell his
players to lie.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
He needs to have a good look at himself in
the mirror.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, no he doesn't, because I was in the damage.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Look at the damage it's doing the game.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
That stuff, Well, everyone's got the damage. They've got they've
got a competition.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Jayden Campbell the one honorable act I've seen on the
football field with this situation two weeks ago, probably cost
his side golden point.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
The referee did. Because the referee didn't see it. So
Jaden did the head, pulled up the great eye and
given them Jeffrey misses it. We've got to learn to
live with it. And I said it on that day.
So Jaden right here, this was the penalty is I
actually think Jayden did the right thing. It gets collected
(29:17):
in the head. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't a
reportable offense. And said it was fifty to fifty. No,
adamant wasn't. That was wrong. No, you're wrong, said it
was fifty fifty. I spoke. We must spoke to people. Yeah,
he spoke to the boss. Yeah. No, they were about
adamant that it wasn't. Well, you don't think there's a
(29:38):
diving problem, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
It's like it's embarrassing. The coach would say that he's
derelicting his duty if he doesn't tell his players to dive.
That's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, but it's up bold players will tell you. What
can I tell you why? You can tell you why.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
It's all orchestrated by coaches and players.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Can I make you stop it?
Speaker 8 (29:55):
They've got the power stop it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You think you know what? You stop it?
Speaker 8 (29:59):
Take some personal responsible and accountability, you know, telling yourself
like when stay down.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
I can't we just name and shame the players I
do and just put them up on a clipboard like
an honest Benny Hill music or something tiny.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Brody because he hates it as much as anyone else.
Had on hold on he he hates it as much
as anyone else. But the bottom line is he has
to win football games Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Hates can I guarantee you? I guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
All the other coaches do the same thing, except as
Hasler because Campbell jumped straight to his feet.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Or maybe Campbell didn't listen too much at stake Guys
on your coaches it is yeah, maybe they should start diving.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
We support you, We support before the break Monday, buzz
you you got Friday on your mind?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Mate, Fever six o'clock Panthers Raiders at Mudgy eight o'clock
Storm Bulldogs to.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
What you do?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Fifteen to go in the first game, You're alredo your
tied takeaway Jungle chicken curry. I'll get the six beers
out there, mate. That is the best I drink the
little twist tops. That is the best Friday night of
rugby league in history.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Beautiful two games free from the shaft, they make piez
at home, figure around journals and after a thrilling ten
twenty series, Australia take on South Africa in the first
ode tomorrow from two pm and you can catch all
the action exclusively live on Fox Cricket
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