September 24, 2025 • 29 mins
Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Wednesday September 24th, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
Braith and Gordy are joined by Dan Ginnane and David Riccio to chat through the Broncos preliminary final against the Panthers and Madge's call to leave Ezra Mam on the bench. The boys also touch on the Sharks chances at having a serious run at winning the Grand Final.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In fact, doesn't get the juices flowing. Nothing will.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to all three to sixty rugby league from every angle,
brought to you by a regame joining me again the
great Gordon Tallas. Both Dan Ganaine and Dave Riccio sold
our crowd Sunday a record ratings.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Could this be the biggest pre Limb of all time?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh well, I think on Sunday and Brisbane that game.
It's the most I've been asked for tickets in the history,
even more than State of Origin from people just Texans.
So it's going to be huge. You've got Brisbane. It's
a Grand Final replay from twenty three. It's sold out,
so fifty whatever it is, fifty two five hundred people
and they probably could have sold it out twice.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
And that's how big that game is. And Amy Parks
the same.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
How big is this game game? I don't want to
overblow it. It might be the game of the century.
I think of it pre Limb, some court daylight, twenty
eight degrees, revenge, redemption versus the Dynasty. There's nothing more
you can add to this game. The personalities Penroth and
now back to their best's questions over Brisbane with the reshuffling,
(01:04):
but they've been dead good.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Reece.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well there is nothing more. The only thing missing browth.
It's not the Grand Final. Yeah, but I think it
will break every ratings record there is when it comes
to this game.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's I guess we have hyped this, but with good reason.
Sunday afternoon footy boys, how good?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
And semi finals Sunday afternoon footy and you know the
NRL have They've been kicked in the teeth a bit
as far as turnaround times into the Grand Final Friday
night compared to Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But this one on Sunday should be an absolute cracker.
You mentioned the Grand Final in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
How much will the ghosts of that Grand Final be
driving the Brisbane Broncos to win this one against the Panthers.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You would think that they've sorted it and dealt with it,
but it's how they start. If they lose, I'll say
the ghost bet them. But if they win, the monkeys
off there.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
These are the papers from that day three years ago.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, they had it one.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It was a bit like the Raiders down there the
other week, right, So they'd won it and then they
lost it. So are they thinking about it, I'd say no,
do we keep on bringing it up? Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
God, I'd be disappointed if it still wasn't burning inside
them that you don't get these chances too often, as
we've seen with the Broncos, they have had to go
through so much heartache to get back to this point
in time. I would be disappointed if back at the
back of walsh Man Reno's mind during.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
It's in the back of the head breath.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yes, yes, whether they actually thinking about it or subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's there.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
When if they beat the Panthers they walk off and
they they extra satisfied the exercise, it is there and
it will be there for the rest of their lives.
You cannot erase the memory of this night. Whether they
win or lose, even on the weekend against Penrith, this
will could haunt them forever. But win against Penrith, winning
(03:00):
the GF the week after it does erase this.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Our colleague James Graham has said for a year they
were in mourning all of twenty twenty four, such was
the devastation of this loss. And it's hard to argue
with that's given how far they sunk and then the
fact that they've risen this year. I wonder, though you
talk about the ghost of twenty twenty three, that game
is two years ago. The ghosts of Magic Ground this
year because Penrith smashed him. Remember Penrith were really struggling,
(03:26):
but they turned up Marquee game. Penrith, Penrith need an occasion.
Now they've got to that point. Your Broncos were like this,
you need something to rev up, and Magic Ground they
came out and thump them.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, we saw it on Sunday. Penrith surprised me a
little bit because they have been flat, they have been dead.
They will come and last the round twelve I didn't
really know, but the level they played it, I went, well,
they are champions, right, and now they've got to go
up there Sunday with a side full of cops.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I think we all expected them to go to another
level final time, but not like about first forty minutes
last week.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Now Ben has no problem being shifted into the middle.
If that means Ezra Man can cause some damage against
the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
No, I think it'll be fine, mate.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
It's you're bringing in Reno's play a three hundred games,
very experienced leads us around it does allow kicking, so
it has a half. I still want to play my
game and keep the same role, and then when I
go into the middle, it's a it's a position that
I'm definitely used to it. He's an excell runner of
the ball as he knows the game really well and
could probably be a bit of an X factor for us,
you know, bring some energy off the bench. So if
he's on his game that, yeah, I think he's you know,
(04:35):
he can come out and really help us in that area.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I'm absolutely loving he says ra Man back, and
I think he's got so much X factor.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He's such a dangerous player and if he's fit, he
should be in the team any years he's coming off
the bench. Now you've got some day doubts over this, Dave,
do you know something that I don't know?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, No, there's none of that going on, Brake.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
I just feel as though to your point, this guy
was a match winner.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
He's a game breaker. We saw his impact on.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
The ground only a couple of years ago. If he's fit,
isn't in the starting team when we picked. When we
see players picked on the bench as fourteen's, it's as
a role with less minutes. It's to provide impact from
the bench. It's a utility role, so that there will
be a time throughout this match that we're waiting for
(05:22):
Ezra to get onto the fee.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
But he will come on. You think that ben huntle
go to nine, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You would think so potentially.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Because that's what Dog said last night. It's like he might.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is a prelim Gordon waiting for Avantes is that
they've got such an experienced bind.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They've got Reese Walsh at the back who is so lethal.
They can pick and choose when they use Ezra. They
might need to use him early, you know, if they
don't get off to a good start or they need
points early, they may be able to hold him back
and and and execute him and push him into the
game in the second half.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But you know you don't have a loaded gun like
him and not shoot it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yes, that's my point. That is my point. He's going
to get so he's going to be sure out of
his can I.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Get I know who's coming onto the field. So it's
a hamstring that cost him six weeks. So he's coming
back after six weeks out, So there's nothing tentative about that.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Look, there's nothing I have and coming off the bench
is probably the right thing to do, you know, because
you can monitor it to a degree, usually only if
you have to.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But if he wants to be right for the Grand Final,
it is do or die.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They need to win and it could be at the
expense of him doing the injury again or making it
worse for a Grand Final day. But this is the
big hurdle they got to get through against the best
team in the comp.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But what if it works right?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What if Brisbane go with their normal plan, which is
the starting hooker plays fifty minutes right now all season
or most of the season. Billy Walters has been dynamite
coming on for the last half hour, so obviously been
Hunt goes into that role.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Thirty minutes of.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Ezra Man running at tiring Penrith players on a twenty
eight degree Sunday afternoon. If it works, you imagine that
game's twelve all and Ezra Man comes into the game.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's a weapon.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Yeah, what else would you do? Just quickly I'm starting,
it starts. I think I think he's that dynamic.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Your issue is more you'd started more, so, why we
hold he's insurance Adam Reynolds and like they haven't played
for six weeks.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Ham strings you never know youself. Adam Reynolds pulls a hamstring,
Ben Hunt goes to seven. He comes in, sport spoils luxury.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You mentioned Adam Reynolds.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Can you slop back into this team without upsetting what
they have got going on at the moment?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Firstly, I'll stay. I think you can, and I've said
that on the show. How do you guys see it?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Well, Brak, I know you're confident about that, and I
get it. Adam's a class player. But you have seen
an elevation in Rhys Walsh's game as a byproduct of
the more responsibility and the more touches he's had to
play in this climb towards the premiership.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And so therefore, how can that.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Be possible with Reno coming back in Like Reynolds, he's
the conductor, he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It can be possible. I mean, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He's gone to another level since Adam hasn't been there.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
There's no denying that. You watch the games, it's there
for everyone to see. I just think his experience is
class and he's poise in the way that he does play.
I think that he'll be fine and he'll give him
the ball at the right times in the right spots
on the field.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Well, the Hunt Reynolds combination hasn't exactly been dynamic and
that I think they were five and five to start
the season when they were.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Together, and then Azra Man came back.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And Reynolds is on hiding nothing here because if they win,
they're just going to keep on the run and probably
Ruch Walsh's going to start. But if they get bid,
he's probably going to cop some of the blame here.
If Walsh doesn't get enough ball that comes with the
jump of that. I understand that, and I understand that,
but you would think his role does his role change
in that given what's happened in the last five weeks,
(09:07):
he's got more responsibility to make sure whenever Reese wants
that ball he gets there and is still it.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Again looking for it, because that's why he's been so good.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He's just been on the ball, energetic both sides of
the rock, swinging left, right, you name it.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
He's still got to do that now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bulldog Richie has started another uproar yet again, it's to
do with the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And he's had a good year Bulldogstairs, he's had a
great I think he's m mediate.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
No rookie, so I just got.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
The evaded on my rookie of the y thirty years ago.
But he has fired the debate up about Ivan Cleary.
If he wins five straight, is he the greatest coach
of all time?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, it's it's a fun debate because there's no answer.
You can look at all the I watched the show and.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Have an opinion. Buzz, I mean by normally race can
my opinion be? There is no right answer.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Jack Gibson went to had one of the greatest sides
ever assembled at East and they had two extraordinary years.
PARAMOUNTA couldn't win a comp and then he got them
over the line and once they got going, they couldn't stop.
Craig Bellamy twenty years, What do you want twenty years
of consistency. That's Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bennett greatness had a
(10:23):
fair team, but they all had pretty fair teams.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I don't know what the correct answer is. Okay, sorry, no,
I'm with hey b I'm with them. I agree that's
the advantage of being in this season. The question, folks,
he was great.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
The point is is the long jetty of longevity of
Craig Bellamy over twenty years, the consistency of that Melbourne
storm machine.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And that's that's nothing to understate what the pen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It is the greatest achievement of any of those fours.
Doesn't mean he's the best. It is the greatest achievement.
No one could win back to back comps on till
the Roosters a few years ago, spot on, And you
know something, can I rightly talk about four in a row?
And I think it's been adequately celebrated because we all
understood they've won fourteen straight finals, Like can you think
(11:15):
about think about that, that's more than half a season
against top eight teams the whole way.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
They have won fourteen straight with thirty seven different players.
Only four players have played all fourteen. But the turnover,
which has been spoken about.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Fair town over a fair replacement.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, I understare, Gordy, but that's that's unbo seven players.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I want saying that they're not. I just think it's
unfair when they don't play it. And you like in basketball,
Jordan or Lebron or whatever. They don't play against each other,
so I think it is really hard and when you go,
you know who's better, is it Andrew Johns or this?
I think it is unfair on the guys that went
through in the past, and it's unfair on the guys
in the future, like I really do.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
All right, Sharks are on the plane in Melbourne and
Nico him to address the media from Sydney Airport a
short time we got.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
You know, we deserve to be here. We wouldn't be
here if we didn't know that the respects. That's all
other people's opinions.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Obviously.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
We've probably used that a little bit in that first
final with motivation, but at the moment, I just want
to get the job done for the team. And you know,
if someone this is your family, I think anyone would
go out of their way to say something and speak
up about it. And the Sharks is my family and
I take things personally when people try and diss my family.
And maybe I've just had a little bit enough of
it over the last few years with people disrespecting the Sharks,
(12:34):
and yeah, I'll fight for the Sharks until I go,
until I stopped wearing these jerseys.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, interesting take there from Nikohwans very entertaining. I'm finding
these press conferences lately.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Dissing the family.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I wasn't sure where that was here, but then we
got there eventually, and okay, I'm still a bit perplexed,
b White. But what I liked about it was that
they did use the disrespect for that file on the
weekend because no one has really I wouldn't say no one,
but majority of people haven't shown them any respect. And
I love that, love the fact that they galvanize the
(13:09):
news that as motivation to win against the Raiders. I
didn't think they would use it this week because everyone
is respecting them now. Everyone now is saying they are
genuine title contenders. They're not the favorites, but they have
they have a damn good chance of winning the competition
because of how much they have improved. But again, you
listen to Nico and you know he still holds things
(13:33):
from the past. You know, it's clear dissing his family,
which his family. Now I've worked out, he's the canal Sharks.
Do how do we take this?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't even know how to respond.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I think I think they are genuinely using the chip
on the shoulder in relation to lack of respect.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
The playing group. And I was interesting.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I was listening to Mattie John's talk about how ultimately
the Sharks are a bunch of nice guys, right, that's
how we've seen Sharks for so long. Nice nice bunch
of of their coach, exactly extension of their coach. However,
Mattie said this, in the past four weeks, they've shifted
their personality. Yes, and they've become the you don't respect us,
(14:16):
We've got to chip on our shoulder about that.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And you can see it in their game.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
They're playing with ridiculous resilience on their line defensively, it's
showing in their football the way they'd win games with
less possession than their opposition in both semis and I
think that's it's a shifting.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Personality that's helping their course.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They've needed because they've been so we've said it all,
they've been so similar every year whatever, and they've had
similar results because of it. Even though they've been so
consistent and you know, of competed at a high level
now for a number of years.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They shift to that little bit of variance, don't we
just respect like the theme. You know how you saw Penuthen.
You know they've been reading about a samurai. It's this
and Nathan's ol samurai and you go that we've got
a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Whatever it is, right, and if that's their.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Theme for this final series and they don't want to
be mister nice guy anymore and Nick go and all
those guys. They do look like a really nice community byside,
but they've got to get a bit among them about them.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Two things.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Firstly, I'm pleasantly surprised how much respect they've been given
this week. I really thought people are going to come
out in the media and say that was Canberra's bubble adverse.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Lone ranger there, but really it hasn't met people have given.
You think they can win the camp.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
They can certainly beat Melbourney you want to they can
beat Melbourne win the comp, that's well, sure, they.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Can beat Brisbane the last one of the last four teams.
They can win the comp.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I just can I make this from the Sharks fan,
I'm not sure they've been disrespected. They should be as
aggrieved about the disrespect as much as they should.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Gordy's right, you've got the respect deserving game stopped talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I think the storyline.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Every team has a storyline that drives them through finals campaign.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And this is what's pushing them.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
I think it's working for them, and you can see
them the way they're playing the fight for each other,
super resilient.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's all about storylines and the one that's been around
for a long time is their halves, right and Nicko
Hines especially him. Now you're in the lab today and
you have you think the stability they've had in their spine, Blake, Brailey,
you name it, Kennedy. The stability that they've had for
such a long period of time now has held them
in good stead and is why they are without now.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, ultimately they've come through the other side to this
point in time, and it's taken some pain, no doubt, Raith.
But what I was seeing with these numbers is that
the Melbourne Storm spine of Papaau's and Munster, Hughes and Grant,
the best spine in the comp by a country mile,
have only played eight games together as a spine compared
(16:59):
to the Sharks, And I just wonder when we get
to Friday night under the and you know so much
respect for the Storm, but under the intensity of a
prelim final, just that cohesion, the combination, particularly Jerome, particularly Jerome,
whether that's an advantage to Coronullo.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What stands out to me there is And we spoke
about this quite about a month or so ago. We thought,
you know, they've been so consistent, they've had the same team,
but they actually hadn't had a hell of a lot
of success considering the spine they had. Winning the last
nine out of ten has significantly changed that. I look
at Melbourne, only seven, but their win.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Rate it's very high, it is, it's very high.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think the Sharks now, I said last night, you know,
their forwards are better. They've got no injuries, they're fit,
they're firing, they're playing with aggression. But the most important
thing is Brayley. But also they're seven and six.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Are not only playing well individually, they're playing well as
a combination and that's what they'll need if they are
to win this.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Cuts are good, but since round seventeen the Melbourne spine
hasn't played all thenther So.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
That comes back to my point about Cahosion comes out
absolutely make a.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Point about Cronoa. I think So much of this is
on Foranil Blake in that I looked at brayley stats. Right,
we worked this out last year. When he runs five
times in a game, they virtually win all the time, right,
five times, So you ask the question, why doesn't he
run it more often?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
We've got to have the opportunity to run.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What Fana Blake has done has got them on the
front foot. Last year Brayley ran it five times five
times in the game, I think five times, the year
before five, the year before six. This year he's run
it five times eleven occasions. Because this man is getting
him on the front foot. He's getting he's bringing forwards
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like Groodolph into his slipstream, Rudolph's career esque because of
him as a one one time. And then you've got
Heinz and Trindle when they're on the front foot, they
are damn good, they're creative, You've got the running of
Hinds and I think it all comes from Faneur Blake.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It all comes down to again, Ken the Sharks mine
deliver on the biggest stage of all when they've got
the most pressure on them. And we know that Melbourne
Ken the dogs are staying staunched despite straight sets finals exit.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Is there any regret here from the Bulldogs?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
We go on there again internally, Dave, you obviously you
had a good relationship with Kern surroundo. I'm sure you've
spoken to him before and after the weekend. Have they
got any regrets or is it still sort of?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
I think there's regrets in the relation to going out
the back door of the finals, for sure. I mean
they can't be disappointed. They can't not be disappointed.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Of course, but I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
We're talking about regrets around how the season unfolded, the
decisions they made and where they landed.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Kareron's not going to back away from those decisions both
and we all know that, and we've seen how staunch
is on it, and I think they would view it
as this is all out of the stepping stand towards
trying to create.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
The story or standing by a decision because we hear
that lately doesn't mean it's right, not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Do you think it's the right decision?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Like in hindsight, would you have made the same if.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Lachlan Galvin was available mid year and you could pick
him up.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I would pick him up. I think I think everyone
has agreed with that.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
I disagree with that, and so therefore I don't think
you can have any regretting that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No one question.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I agree with the belief that they had a charmed draw.
They they it was a false economy in relation to
the teams that they had to play early.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Set that on ear I got hammered on this show.
But yes, you are one hundred percent right. But first on,
it was a false economy on that they were so
high because it's a soft draw.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, they played Brisbane a couple of times and that hadn't.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They They played Brisbane and they got smashed by Brisbane.
They beat Cambro, they play the Raiders. Yes, they'd played.
They played all their gun games at the back end
of the season. Is the point I was fascinated by
gas was comments the other night that Galvin had never
played seven in his life.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Apparently, which makes a decision. Well, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Just one of the Bulldog's attitude has been we got
three months because they brought in galvity debut around fourteen,
so three months. We don't know how this is going
to work, but we've got three months to get the
will figure it out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And they never quite did.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So they figured it out with the likes of all
the number thirteens or number fourteens they had in the team,
and they worked out how to have everyone play in
this system. And it seems like they backed themselves. In
three months, we'll get this right. It'll be some teething problems.
The problem was the teething problems never ended.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
And I think they still had a successful season.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
If I'm a Bulldogs fan, I'd be happy, but I
just thought that the ending.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Could have been a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
All right?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Could Matt Burton be pushed out as Dogs try to
accommodate for Galvin? Now we've been told by Gas that
Mitch Woods will way half back, which means Galvin will
move to six because Gus spoke about that as well,
which therefore has three centers that go into two.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
What are we hearing here.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I don't think he's been pushed out. I think he's
I think there's a.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He's pushed out of the half. I don't think.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I don't think mitch Wood starts round one, I'll put
it that way. I think Matt Burton starts in the
halves round one.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And who's half back? We'll probably Galvin. Okay, right, he's
not a halfback. That's according to Gas.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Confused.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
He's so very frustrated.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Because people think I'm having a crack at the Bulldogs.
But really I'm trying to work out this what's going
on there, and I'm trying to trying to get to
the bottom of it.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
I just yeah, I think I think. I think Matt
Burton goes in the center's break.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Okay, let's just stop here.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
So you think that Galvin is going to start the
year as number seven?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Next year, I think Mitchell Woods will have to take
time unless he plays lights out preseason.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But don't think that's fascinating given the second changes issue
in the comments made.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
By going absolutely yeah, yeah I do.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
However, in the long run, I believe Mitch Woods will
be the half back, Galvan.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Will be six.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think Burn's a genuine chance to play center. So
read what happens to share. I think Crichton goes to
full back. Really, why not the attacks there anyway? Center
in the game get the ball.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
In his hands more is say, and we see him
attack twenty out anyway, he's been playing fullback.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Tracy goes to center. Tracy goes to center twenty out.
That's how they shift their attack. So interesting is Burton okay?
Speaker 8 (23:34):
With all that?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And if you think about those rookie halves that will
eventually be Woods and Galvin, you would think they would
need a dominant voice from the back in Crichton, who's
one of the best leaders in the game, helping steer
them around.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I think it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And I ask a quick question.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
All the fullbacks are amazing passes now, all the real
successful you watch how Tedesco has improved. Does Crichton have
that in his.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Gal that's for the coaches made on it. I mean,
it makes a freak.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
He's an outstanding Any truth to the Ponger rumors because
I kind of was thinking about it the last few
days and I thought, well, if Burton's kind of and
this is all speculation, but if Burton's on the outer
and they've got to try and fit three into two
and they don't have a fullback he was this is
the article you wrote, And I thought, you know, if Conda,
if they shifted Connor, Tracy on and Burton, and the
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rumors around even be going to perfect Burton, then they
could buy Ponger.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Is that it makes sense, right, you're putting your numbers
together and it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But look, all my inquiries suggest that.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Ponger's not heading there, and they do have a stockpile
of fullbacks, very talented young fullbacks coming through, and they've
got Kate Dikes, Aman Fitzgibbon, They've picked up David Brighton,
very young, talented Queenslander, and they've still got Connor on
their books. So there's a fair bit of work to
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be done at fullback.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think once obvious they have to be different next year.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
They have decided, rightly or wrongly, that the way they
went about it this year the first half of the
season didn't wasn't going to work. They made that decision,
that's why, which was Burton at six. Obviously Sexton has
been moved on anyway, but obviously what happened in the
back half of the sision didn't work either. So surely
they're going to have a different look about them. And
I worry a bit. We're placing a lot of heat
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on a kid who's never played first grade. Now he
made me Nathan Cleary, I don't know. I know the
raps on him are huge, but you're sort of you're
going to be a bit by beware with a young
young player.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Dan just wax lyrical about Adam Vanil Blake. We go
through the four remaining teams and we think about the
front rowers in those four teams, mostly out of pain
ass Big Stefano, who too, Komanu and Vanilla Blake.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
That's missing from the Bulldogs I.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Think are going to be easy. Top eight, probably top
four again. They are missing a forward, but geez, they've
got some decisions to make.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
We just spoke about him and where do we land.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
They've got big decisions in a key position. It's going
to be fascinating to see how it und Now you're
talking about Ponger whole brook as he managed to sit down.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
He has, Yeah, and that's important because we look what
was garnered out of Justin catching up with Kaylen. Only
time will tell because that's how Kaylen rolls like. He
sort of leads to his own drum. He's making all
the all the indications that all's rosy.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'll be there.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Next year.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, next year.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's starting pre season training. He was at training when
Justin went up to Newcastle last week.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
But the thing is, guys, we just don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
With Kaylen, we just keep if he goes, look, I
want to look elsewhere? Or will they go?
Speaker 6 (26:47):
God, if you've got a player that doesn't want to
be there, do you fight to keep him? If it
came to push push, came to shove that, Caylen said,
I'm looking elsewhere and at his salary, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You moving on reports Tommy Turbo could be super le
bound over a contract. Is it a stout or a
contract disagreement?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
What's happening? It's a stalemate.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
What's happen?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Can you talk? Sure? Well? Look, a formal offer was.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Put forward to Tom Trabovitch and his management, of which
wasn't formally ratified by the manly Board, of which then
a counter offer was put forward at three hundred thousand dollars,
less that the board were happy with. That has disappointed
the Traboyevitch camp. In the meantime, the UK Super League
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have been entertained. Warrington have put forward a two year
offer and where at this.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Point wasn't a rachet clause, it was they lowered the
offer load off.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
There was there was an intention to have a ratet
causing included.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
In the contract. It's ridiculous, It's messy.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I mean, mainly are not reliable in this area, given
what happened with So They're reputation in this field is
not particularly strong. DC goes on Channel nine and announces
he's leaving. And what does Manly do in response? They
call this show and make an offer on this show.
They make an offer on television. I mean, is this
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how you negotiate Tom Travoyevitch Tom Trible? If you think
he's injury prone or you think he's best.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Is behind him, you don't offer.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You allow him to go. You don't make an offer.
This is one of your favorite sons. The disrespect that
you make him an offer and then you go to
the board and reduce it by one hundred grands.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
So does that mean Tony mestrov his powers?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Essentially he is a puppet leader if that is the
case where he can't make a handshake deal because.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
He's going to go through to the board.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And if you actually want Tom, if you are genuine
about Tom, you pay one hundred grand. One hundred grand
out of eleven point five million. It's less than one
Have I got this right? It's less than one percent
of the salary cap. Have I got this right? I
tipped it into my calculator and I thought one hundred
thousand is one percent of the cap was massive, strong point.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
You know what it used to be, guys, I think,
he stays, Look I see what's unfolding here.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I just it'll be a PR disaster.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, exactly, all right, you boys, said you Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Dave up next to Legends Agenda with Craig Gower and
Ready Mature and the Cricket is Back Australia. Australia travel
to New Zealand for a three match T twenty series
and it all begins Wednesday, October one on Fox Cricket
In fact, doesn't get the juices flowing. Nothing will.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to all three to sixty rugby league from every angle,
brought to you by a regame joining me again the
great Gordon Tallas. Both Dan Ganaine and Dave Riccio sold
our crowd Sunday a record ratings.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Could this be the biggest pre Limb of all time?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh well, I think on Sunday and Brisbane that game.
It's the most I've been asked for tickets in the history,
even more than State of Origin from people just Texans.
So it's going to be huge. You've got Brisbane. It's
a Grand Final replay from twenty three. It's sold out,
so fifty whatever it is, fifty two five hundred people
and they probably could have sold it out twice.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
And that's how big that game is. And Amy Parks
the same.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
How big is this game game? I don't want to
overblow it. It might be the game of the century.
I think of it pre Limb, some court daylight, twenty
eight degrees, revenge, redemption versus the Dynasty. There's nothing more
you can add to this game. The personalities Penroth and
now back to their best's questions over Brisbane with the reshuffling,
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but they've been dead good.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Reece.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well there is nothing more. The only thing missing browth.
It's not the Grand Final. Yeah, but I think it
will break every ratings record there is when it comes
to this game.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's I guess we have hyped this, but with good reason.
Sunday afternoon footy boys, how good?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
And semi finals Sunday afternoon footy and you know the
NRL have They've been kicked in the teeth a bit
as far as turnaround times into the Grand Final Friday
night compared to Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
But this one on Sunday should be an absolute cracker.
You mentioned the Grand Final in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
How much will the ghosts of that Grand Final be
driving the Brisbane Broncos to win this one against the Panthers.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You would think that they've sorted it and dealt with it,
but it's how they start. If they lose, I'll say
the ghost bet them. But if they win, the monkeys
off there.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
These are the papers from that day three years ago.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, they had it one.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It was a bit like the Raiders down there the
other week, right, So they'd won it and then they
lost it. So are they thinking about it, I'd say no,
do we keep on bringing it up? Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
God, I'd be disappointed if it still wasn't burning inside
them that you don't get these chances too often, as
we've seen with the Broncos, they have had to go
through so much heartache to get back to this point
in time. I would be disappointed if back at the
back of walsh Man Reno's mind during.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
It's in the back of the head breath.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yes, yes, whether they actually thinking about it or subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's there.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
When if they beat the Panthers they walk off and
they they extra satisfied the exercise, it is there and
it will be there for the rest of their lives.
You cannot erase the memory of this night. Whether they
win or lose, even on the weekend against Penrith, this
will could haunt them forever. But win against Penrith, winning
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the GF the week after it does erase this.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Our colleague James Graham has said for a year they
were in mourning all of twenty twenty four, such was
the devastation of this loss. And it's hard to argue
with that's given how far they sunk and then the
fact that they've risen this year. I wonder, though you
talk about the ghost of twenty twenty three, that game
is two years ago. The ghosts of Magic Ground this
year because Penrith smashed him. Remember Penrith were really struggling,
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but they turned up Marquee game. Penrith, Penrith need an occasion.
Now they've got to that point. Your Broncos were like this,
you need something to rev up, and Magic Ground they
came out and thump them.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, we saw it on Sunday. Penrith surprised me a
little bit because they have been flat, they have been dead.
They will come and last the round twelve I didn't
really know, but the level they played it, I went, well,
they are champions, right, and now they've got to go
up there Sunday with a side full of cops.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I think we all expected them to go to another
level final time, but not like about first forty minutes
last week.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Now Ben has no problem being shifted into the middle.
If that means Ezra Man can cause some damage against
the Panthers.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
No, I think it'll be fine, mate.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
It's you're bringing in Reno's play a three hundred games,
very experienced leads us around it does allow kicking, so
it has a half. I still want to play my
game and keep the same role, and then when I
go into the middle, it's a it's a position that
I'm definitely used to it. He's an excell runner of
the ball as he knows the game really well and
could probably be a bit of an X factor for us,
you know, bring some energy off the bench. So if
he's on his game that, yeah, I think he's you know,
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he can come out and really help us in that area.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I'm absolutely loving he says ra Man back, and
I think he's got so much X factor.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
He's such a dangerous player and if he's fit, he
should be in the team any years he's coming off
the bench. Now you've got some day doubts over this, Dave,
do you know something that I don't know?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, No, there's none of that going on, Brake.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
I just feel as though to your point, this guy
was a match winner.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
He's a game breaker. We saw his impact on.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
The ground only a couple of years ago. If he's fit,
isn't in the starting team when we picked. When we
see players picked on the bench as fourteen's, it's as
a role with less minutes. It's to provide impact from
the bench. It's a utility role, so that there will
be a time throughout this match that we're waiting for
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Ezra to get onto the fee.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
But he will come on. You think that ben huntle
go to nine, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You would think so potentially.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Because that's what Dog said last night. It's like he might.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This is a prelim Gordon waiting for Avantes is that
they've got such an experienced bind.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They've got Reese Walsh at the back who is so lethal.
They can pick and choose when they use Ezra. They
might need to use him early, you know, if they
don't get off to a good start or they need
points early, they may be able to hold him back
and and and execute him and push him into the
game in the second half.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But you know you don't have a loaded gun like
him and not shoot it.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yes, that's my point. That is my point. He's going
to get so he's going to be sure out of
his can I.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Get I know who's coming onto the field. So it's
a hamstring that cost him six weeks. So he's coming
back after six weeks out, So there's nothing tentative about that.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Look, there's nothing I have and coming off the bench
is probably the right thing to do, you know, because
you can monitor it to a degree, usually only if
you have to.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But if he wants to be right for the Grand Final,
it is do or die.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They need to win and it could be at the
expense of him doing the injury again or making it
worse for a Grand Final day. But this is the
big hurdle they got to get through against the best
team in the comp.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But what if it works right?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What if Brisbane go with their normal plan, which is
the starting hooker plays fifty minutes right now all season
or most of the season. Billy Walters has been dynamite
coming on for the last half hour, so obviously been
Hunt goes into that role.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Thirty minutes of.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Ezra Man running at tiring Penrith players on a twenty
eight degree Sunday afternoon. If it works, you imagine that
game's twelve all and Ezra Man comes into the game.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's a weapon.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Yeah, what else would you do? Just quickly I'm starting,
it starts. I think I think he's that dynamic.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Your issue is more you'd started more, so, why we
hold he's insurance Adam Reynolds and like they haven't played
for six weeks.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Ham strings you never know youself. Adam Reynolds pulls a hamstring,
Ben Hunt goes to seven. He comes in, sport spoils luxury.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You mentioned Adam Reynolds.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Can you slop back into this team without upsetting what
they have got going on at the moment?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Firstly, I'll stay. I think you can, and I've said
that on the show. How do you guys see it?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Well, Brak, I know you're confident about that, and I
get it. Adam's a class player. But you have seen
an elevation in Rhys Walsh's game as a byproduct of
the more responsibility and the more touches he's had to
play in this climb towards the premiership.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And so therefore, how can that.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Be possible with Reno coming back in Like Reynolds, he's
the conductor, he's the guy.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It can be possible. I mean, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He's gone to another level since Adam hasn't been there.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
There's no denying that. You watch the games, it's there
for everyone to see. I just think his experience is
class and he's poise in the way that he does play.
I think that he'll be fine and he'll give him
the ball at the right times in the right spots
on the field.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Well, the Hunt Reynolds combination hasn't exactly been dynamic and
that I think they were five and five to start
the season when they were.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Together, and then Azra Man came back.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And Reynolds is on hiding nothing here because if they win,
they're just going to keep on the run and probably
Ruch Walsh's going to start. But if they get bid,
he's probably going to cop some of the blame here.
If Walsh doesn't get enough ball that comes with the
jump of that. I understand that, and I understand that,
but you would think his role does his role change
in that given what's happened in the last five weeks,
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he's got more responsibility to make sure whenever Reese wants
that ball he gets there and is still it.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Again looking for it, because that's why he's been so good.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He's just been on the ball, energetic both sides of
the rock, swinging left, right, you name it.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
He's still got to do that now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bulldog Richie has started another uproar yet again, it's to
do with the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And he's had a good year Bulldogstairs, he's had a
great I think he's m mediate.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
No rookie, so I just got.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
The evaded on my rookie of the y thirty years ago.
But he has fired the debate up about Ivan Cleary.
If he wins five straight, is he the greatest coach
of all time?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, it's it's a fun debate because there's no answer.
You can look at all the I watched the show and.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Have an opinion. Buzz, I mean by normally race can
my opinion be? There is no right answer.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Jack Gibson went to had one of the greatest sides
ever assembled at East and they had two extraordinary years.
PARAMOUNTA couldn't win a comp and then he got them
over the line and once they got going, they couldn't stop.
Craig Bellamy twenty years, What do you want twenty years
of consistency. That's Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bennett greatness had a
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fair team, but they all had pretty fair teams.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I don't know what the correct answer is. Okay, sorry, no,
I'm with hey b I'm with them. I agree that's
the advantage of being in this season. The question, folks,
he was great.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
The point is is the long jetty of longevity of
Craig Bellamy over twenty years, the consistency of that Melbourne
storm machine.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And that's that's nothing to understate what the pen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It is the greatest achievement of any of those fours.
Doesn't mean he's the best. It is the greatest achievement.
No one could win back to back comps on till
the Roosters a few years ago, spot on, And you
know something, can I rightly talk about four in a row?
And I think it's been adequately celebrated because we all
understood they've won fourteen straight finals, Like can you think
(11:15):
about think about that, that's more than half a season
against top eight teams the whole way.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
They have won fourteen straight with thirty seven different players.
Only four players have played all fourteen. But the turnover,
which has been spoken about.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Fair town over a fair replacement.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, I understare, Gordy, but that's that's unbo seven players.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I want saying that they're not. I just think it's
unfair when they don't play it. And you like in basketball,
Jordan or Lebron or whatever. They don't play against each other,
so I think it is really hard and when you go,
you know who's better, is it Andrew Johns or this?
I think it is unfair on the guys that went
through in the past, and it's unfair on the guys
in the future, like I really do.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
All right, Sharks are on the plane in Melbourne and
Nico him to address the media from Sydney Airport a
short time we got.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
You know, we deserve to be here. We wouldn't be
here if we didn't know that the respects. That's all
other people's opinions.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Obviously.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
We've probably used that a little bit in that first
final with motivation, but at the moment, I just want
to get the job done for the team. And you know,
if someone this is your family, I think anyone would
go out of their way to say something and speak
up about it. And the Sharks is my family and
I take things personally when people try and diss my family.
And maybe I've just had a little bit enough of
it over the last few years with people disrespecting the Sharks,
(12:34):
and yeah, I'll fight for the Sharks until I go,
until I stopped wearing these jerseys.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, interesting take there from Nikohwans very entertaining. I'm finding
these press conferences lately.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Dissing the family.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I wasn't sure where that was here, but then we
got there eventually, and okay, I'm still a bit perplexed,
b White. But what I liked about it was that
they did use the disrespect for that file on the
weekend because no one has really I wouldn't say no one,
but majority of people haven't shown them any respect. And
I love that, love the fact that they galvanize the
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news that as motivation to win against the Raiders. I
didn't think they would use it this week because everyone
is respecting them now. Everyone now is saying they are
genuine title contenders. They're not the favorites, but they have
they have a damn good chance of winning the competition
because of how much they have improved. But again, you
listen to Nico and you know he still holds things
(13:33):
from the past. You know, it's clear dissing his family,
which his family. Now I've worked out, he's the canal Sharks.
Do how do we take this?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't even know how to respond.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
I think I think they are genuinely using the chip
on the shoulder in relation to lack of respect.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
The playing group. And I was interesting.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I was listening to Mattie John's talk about how ultimately
the Sharks are a bunch of nice guys, right, that's
how we've seen Sharks for so long. Nice nice bunch
of of their coach, exactly extension of their coach. However,
Mattie said this, in the past four weeks, they've shifted
their personality. Yes, and they've become the you don't respect us,
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We've got to chip on our shoulder about that.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And you can see it in their game.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
They're playing with ridiculous resilience on their line defensively, it's
showing in their football the way they'd win games with
less possession than their opposition in both semis and I
think that's it's a shifting.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Personality that's helping their course.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They've needed because they've been so we've said it all,
they've been so similar every year whatever, and they've had
similar results because of it. Even though they've been so
consistent and you know, of competed at a high level
now for a number of years.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They shift to that little bit of variance, don't we
just respect like the theme. You know how you saw Penuthen.
You know they've been reading about a samurai. It's this
and Nathan's ol samurai and you go that we've got
a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Whatever it is, right, and if that's their.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Theme for this final series and they don't want to
be mister nice guy anymore and Nick go and all
those guys. They do look like a really nice community byside,
but they've got to get a bit among them about them.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Two things.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Firstly, I'm pleasantly surprised how much respect they've been given
this week. I really thought people are going to come
out in the media and say that was Canberra's bubble adverse.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Lone ranger there, but really it hasn't met people have given.
You think they can win the camp.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
They can certainly beat Melbourney you want to they can
beat Melbourne win the comp, that's well, sure, they.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Can beat Brisbane the last one of the last four teams.
They can win the comp.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I just can I make this from the Sharks fan,
I'm not sure they've been disrespected. They should be as
aggrieved about the disrespect as much as they should.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Gordy's right, you've got the respect deserving game stopped talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I think the storyline.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Every team has a storyline that drives them through finals campaign.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And this is what's pushing them.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
I think it's working for them, and you can see
them the way they're playing the fight for each other,
super resilient.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's all about storylines and the one that's been around
for a long time is their halves, right and Nicko
Hines especially him. Now you're in the lab today and
you have you think the stability they've had in their spine, Blake, Brailey,
you name it, Kennedy. The stability that they've had for
such a long period of time now has held them
in good stead and is why they are without now.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, ultimately they've come through the other side to this
point in time, and it's taken some pain, no doubt, Raith.
But what I was seeing with these numbers is that
the Melbourne Storm spine of Papaau's and Munster, Hughes and Grant,
the best spine in the comp by a country mile,
have only played eight games together as a spine compared
(16:59):
to the Sharks, And I just wonder when we get
to Friday night under the and you know so much
respect for the Storm, but under the intensity of a
prelim final, just that cohesion, the combination, particularly Jerome, particularly Jerome,
whether that's an advantage to Coronullo.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What stands out to me there is And we spoke
about this quite about a month or so ago. We thought,
you know, they've been so consistent, they've had the same team,
but they actually hadn't had a hell of a lot
of success considering the spine they had. Winning the last
nine out of ten has significantly changed that. I look
at Melbourne, only seven, but their win.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Rate it's very high, it is, it's very high.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think the Sharks now, I said last night, you know,
their forwards are better. They've got no injuries, they're fit,
they're firing, they're playing with aggression. But the most important
thing is Brayley. But also they're seven and six.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Are not only playing well individually, they're playing well as
a combination and that's what they'll need if they are
to win this.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Cuts are good, but since round seventeen the Melbourne spine
hasn't played all thenther So.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
That comes back to my point about Cahosion comes out
absolutely make a.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Point about Cronoa. I think So much of this is
on Foranil Blake in that I looked at brayley stats. Right,
we worked this out last year. When he runs five
times in a game, they virtually win all the time, right,
five times, So you ask the question, why doesn't he
run it more often?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
We've got to have the opportunity to run.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
What Fana Blake has done has got them on the
front foot. Last year Brayley ran it five times five
times in the game, I think five times, the year
before five, the year before six. This year he's run
it five times eleven occasions. Because this man is getting
him on the front foot. He's getting he's bringing forwards
(18:46):
like Groodolph into his slipstream, Rudolph's career esque because of
him as a one one time. And then you've got
Heinz and Trindle when they're on the front foot, they
are damn good, they're creative, You've got the running of
Hinds and I think it all comes from Faneur Blake.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
It all comes down to again, Ken the Sharks mine
deliver on the biggest stage of all when they've got
the most pressure on them. And we know that Melbourne
Ken the dogs are staying staunched despite straight sets finals exit.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Is there any regret here from the Bulldogs?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
We go on there again internally, Dave, you obviously you
had a good relationship with Kern surroundo. I'm sure you've
spoken to him before and after the weekend. Have they
got any regrets or is it still sort of?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
I think there's regrets in the relation to going out
the back door of the finals, for sure. I mean
they can't be disappointed. They can't not be disappointed.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Of course, but I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
We're talking about regrets around how the season unfolded, the
decisions they made and where they landed.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Kareron's not going to back away from those decisions both
and we all know that, and we've seen how staunch
is on it, and I think they would view it
as this is all out of the stepping stand towards
trying to create.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
The story or standing by a decision because we hear
that lately doesn't mean it's right, not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Do you think it's the right decision?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Like in hindsight, would you have made the same if.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Lachlan Galvin was available mid year and you could pick
him up.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I would pick him up. I think I think everyone
has agreed with that.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
I disagree with that, and so therefore I don't think
you can have any regretting that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No one question.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I agree with the belief that they had a charmed draw.
They they it was a false economy in relation to
the teams that they had to play early.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Set that on ear I got hammered on this show.
But yes, you are one hundred percent right. But first on,
it was a false economy on that they were so
high because it's a soft draw.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, they played Brisbane a couple of times and that hadn't.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
They They played Brisbane and they got smashed by Brisbane.
They beat Cambro, they play the Raiders. Yes, they'd played.
They played all their gun games at the back end
of the season. Is the point I was fascinated by
gas was comments the other night that Galvin had never
played seven in his life.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Apparently, which makes a decision. Well, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Just one of the Bulldog's attitude has been we got
three months because they brought in galvity debut around fourteen,
so three months. We don't know how this is going
to work, but we've got three months to get the
will figure it out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And they never quite did.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So they figured it out with the likes of all
the number thirteens or number fourteens they had in the team,
and they worked out how to have everyone play in
this system. And it seems like they backed themselves. In
three months, we'll get this right. It'll be some teething problems.
The problem was the teething problems never ended.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
And I think they still had a successful season.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
If I'm a Bulldogs fan, I'd be happy, but I
just thought that the ending.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Could have been a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
All right?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Could Matt Burton be pushed out as Dogs try to
accommodate for Galvin? Now we've been told by Gas that
Mitch Woods will way half back, which means Galvin will
move to six because Gus spoke about that as well,
which therefore has three centers that go into two.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
What are we hearing here.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I don't think he's been pushed out. I think he's
I think there's a.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He's pushed out of the half. I don't think.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I don't think mitch Wood starts round one, I'll put
it that way. I think Matt Burton starts in the
halves round one.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And who's half back? We'll probably Galvin. Okay, right, he's
not a halfback. That's according to Gas.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Confused.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
He's so very frustrated.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Because people think I'm having a crack at the Bulldogs.
But really I'm trying to work out this what's going
on there, and I'm trying to trying to get to
the bottom of it.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
I just yeah, I think I think. I think Matt
Burton goes in the center's break.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Okay, let's just stop here.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
So you think that Galvin is going to start the
year as number seven?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Next year, I think Mitchell Woods will have to take
time unless he plays lights out preseason.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But don't think that's fascinating given the second changes issue
in the comments made.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
By going absolutely yeah, yeah I do.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
However, in the long run, I believe Mitch Woods will
be the half back, Galvan.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Will be six.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think Burn's a genuine chance to play center. So
read what happens to share. I think Crichton goes to
full back. Really, why not the attacks there anyway? Center
in the game get the ball.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
In his hands more is say, and we see him
attack twenty out anyway, he's been playing fullback.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Tracy goes to center. Tracy goes to center twenty out.
That's how they shift their attack. So interesting is Burton okay?
Speaker 8 (23:34):
With all that?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And if you think about those rookie halves that will
eventually be Woods and Galvin, you would think they would
need a dominant voice from the back in Crichton, who's
one of the best leaders in the game, helping steer
them around.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I think it makes sense.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And I ask a quick question.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
All the fullbacks are amazing passes now, all the real
successful you watch how Tedesco has improved. Does Crichton have
that in his.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Gal that's for the coaches made on it. I mean,
it makes a freak.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
He's an outstanding Any truth to the Ponger rumors because
I kind of was thinking about it the last few
days and I thought, well, if Burton's kind of and
this is all speculation, but if Burton's on the outer
and they've got to try and fit three into two
and they don't have a fullback he was this is
the article you wrote, And I thought, you know, if Conda,
if they shifted Connor, Tracy on and Burton, and the
(24:26):
rumors around even be going to perfect Burton, then they
could buy Ponger.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Is that it makes sense, right, you're putting your numbers
together and it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But look, all my inquiries suggest that.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Ponger's not heading there, and they do have a stockpile
of fullbacks, very talented young fullbacks coming through, and they've
got Kate Dikes, Aman Fitzgibbon, They've picked up David Brighton,
very young, talented Queenslander, and they've still got Connor on
their books. So there's a fair bit of work to
(24:59):
be done at fullback.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think once obvious they have to be different next year.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
They have decided, rightly or wrongly, that the way they
went about it this year the first half of the
season didn't wasn't going to work. They made that decision,
that's why, which was Burton at six. Obviously Sexton has
been moved on anyway, but obviously what happened in the
back half of the sision didn't work either. So surely
they're going to have a different look about them. And
I worry a bit. We're placing a lot of heat
(25:23):
on a kid who's never played first grade. Now he
made me Nathan Cleary, I don't know. I know the
raps on him are huge, but you're sort of you're
going to be a bit by beware with a young
young player.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Dan just wax lyrical about Adam Vanil Blake. We go
through the four remaining teams and we think about the
front rowers in those four teams, mostly out of pain
ass Big Stefano, who too, Komanu and Vanilla Blake.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
That's missing from the Bulldogs I.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Think are going to be easy. Top eight, probably top
four again. They are missing a forward, but geez, they've
got some decisions to make.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
We just spoke about him and where do we land.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
They've got big decisions in a key position. It's going
to be fascinating to see how it und Now you're
talking about Ponger whole brook as he managed to sit down.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
He has, Yeah, and that's important because we look what
was garnered out of Justin catching up with Kaylen. Only
time will tell because that's how Kaylen rolls like. He
sort of leads to his own drum. He's making all
the all the indications that all's rosy.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'll be there.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Next year.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, next year.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's starting pre season training. He was at training when
Justin went up to Newcastle last week.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
But the thing is, guys, we just don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
With Kaylen, we just keep if he goes, look, I
want to look elsewhere? Or will they go?
Speaker 6 (26:47):
God, if you've got a player that doesn't want to
be there, do you fight to keep him? If it
came to push push, came to shove that, Caylen said,
I'm looking elsewhere and at his salary, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You moving on reports Tommy Turbo could be super le
bound over a contract. Is it a stout or a
contract disagreement?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
What's happening? It's a stalemate.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
What's happen?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Can you talk? Sure? Well? Look, a formal offer was.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Put forward to Tom Trabovitch and his management, of which
wasn't formally ratified by the manly Board, of which then
a counter offer was put forward at three hundred thousand dollars,
less that the board were happy with. That has disappointed
the Traboyevitch camp. In the meantime, the UK Super League
(27:36):
have been entertained. Warrington have put forward a two year
offer and where at this.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Point wasn't a rachet clause, it was they lowered the
offer load off.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
There was there was an intention to have a ratet
causing included.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
In the contract. It's ridiculous, It's messy.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I mean, mainly are not reliable in this area, given
what happened with So They're reputation in this field is
not particularly strong. DC goes on Channel nine and announces
he's leaving. And what does Manly do in response? They
call this show and make an offer on this show.
They make an offer on television. I mean, is this
(28:14):
how you negotiate Tom Travoyevitch Tom Trible? If you think
he's injury prone or you think he's best.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Is behind him, you don't offer.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You allow him to go. You don't make an offer.
This is one of your favorite sons. The disrespect that
you make him an offer and then you go to
the board and reduce it by one hundred grands.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
So does that mean Tony mestrov his powers?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Essentially he is a puppet leader if that is the
case where he can't make a handshake deal because.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
He's going to go through to the board.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
And if you actually want Tom, if you are genuine
about Tom, you pay one hundred grand. One hundred grand
out of eleven point five million. It's less than one
Have I got this right? It's less than one percent
of the salary cap. Have I got this right? I
tipped it into my calculator and I thought one hundred
thousand is one percent of the cap was massive, strong point.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
You know what it used to be, guys, I think,
he stays, Look I see what's unfolding here.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I just it'll be a PR disaster.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, exactly, all right, you boys, said you Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
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