Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Monday September 30th, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
The NRL 360 panel dives deep into the big talking points ahead of the Grand Final. The boys break down Michael Maguire's bold call to keep Ben Hunt at six, with Ezra Mam coming off the bench for that extra flair. They also discuss why Ashley Klein was axed from the Grand Final role and why Grant Atkins is the perfect fit for the job. Finally, the panel explores how the Penrith dynasty both started and ended with Adam Reynolds, completing a full-circle story.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to three sixty regular from every angle, brought to
you by Regain joining me again the Great Gordon Taller
broke in the journals in Paul Crowley and Dean, Ridgie
and Doggie.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You've done it again?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What have I done?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This time?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Queensland are set to dominate Grand Final day?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This was one of you call them?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Ah right, that is what you were talking about in the
green room behind my name right holidays for the Sunshine Case.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Did you ever happen to think that maybe.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I inspired Queensland to go to another level of excellence
because at that very point they were on their backsides
Gordon were we?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yes, you were? Look at the look at the percentages.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
It's sort of strange.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
You know how many New South Wales teams you have
in the finals this weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
New So Cup?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
How many is that? What is?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Know?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
You got one?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Did you call them the biggest loser?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
You've got one?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Was that another article?
Speaker 6 (01:03):
So dog I want you to buy a Rooster's jersey,
go there and support Well, you know I won't be
supporting queens Ans because I don't want to support anyone
where you came from, because I don't respect you.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Nor your state Wow, nemesis for forty years. That mob
up north and I think the storm will win.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Go to the storm eryld W two Brisboe.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
So where's Melbourne, Victoria? That's around south.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You're up north right, That's what they said on the platform, mate,
Melbourne Storm is.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
A bad You can't bury for anybody from your own Harry.
I don't need that Gordon run the legs.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You see it in the paper. You don't know who
to go for.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Do you think that new Southwest fans are going to
be a bit torn over this one?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think they will break.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I speak to my mates and they're a bit fifty
to fifty. A lot of people don't like Melbourne Storm
from the old days and they thought they wrestled too much.
Success also brings a lot of people to the point
where they get to be exasperated. The Broncos Queensland, except
it goes on and on.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It'll be split down the middle. But I think more people, well.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know, we'll go for the Broncos because of the
blake with green eyes in the number one jersey.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
I reckon on the contrary, I reckon, I reckon for
the first time in history. The storm almost going as
the people's team because of the state of Brisbane and
the fact that the origin comes into the equation. I know,
Storm We've got a few Origin Queensland origin players there.
I truly believe most people who don't have their team
in it will go for this.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And even though there aren't no New South Wales teams
in the Grand Fall, it is officially sold out.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That's huge, right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Well, I think it's just the style of footy. The
final series, as I mentioned last night, it's the best
that I've seen. So if this there's any indication of
you know where the finals are at, you think Melbourne
and Brisbane.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
It's funny you say that, though good unbelievable game because
you got.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You played in a great era like a lot of.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Old school journos like us go back to that ninety
four period as I remember that, as I look back
at that as the best era of rugby league, and
you actually think that the game right now is better
than it was it you look at.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
The Raiders Brisbane, you look at even like when Penrith
played the Bulldogs, that was still an unbelievable day. Yeah,
and just watching Penoth's dominance last Sunday, was as good
as any game.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We said last night, it's up there with one of
the best final series up to the Grand Final that
we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Do you guys agree with that?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And I think that's why break the crowd is sold
out already. You might not have your side in there.
You might have bought tickets being a Raiders fan or
a or a Panthers, but whoever has missed out the
fan will still go because of the standards.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When we've started the.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Football in that in that Raiders Broncos game really kicked
it off, didn't it. And then last Sunday was the same.
The Sunday before was the same. It's like the Sunday
foot has had a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I can't confirm people are still searching for tickets because
everyone's hitting me up, so there's none left to carry.
Let's take a look at the Grand Final teams thanks
to sports Bet. In the Melbourne Storm are unchanged. Ryan
Papenhou's in a fallback, go through all of them, Kemra Munster,
Jerome Hughes in the half, Stefano, you Toy Kaman who.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Has lit the fuse.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Harry Grant the captain there in the number nine Jersey
Josh Keen. The other front row on the bench is
unchanged for Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The tablock of the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
They have a change because Carrigan comes in, which I'll
get Torye Walsh fullback.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What a player he has been this year.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Ben Hunt and Adam Reynolds retain their spots in the halves.
Pat Carrigan comes into the team after that suspension and
Ezra Man is still on the bench. After we spoke
about it last night, which we'll get too soon. Tyson Smoothie.
He moves back to the bench and tlty is the
man that is out in our match, holds his nerve
(04:41):
with Hunt at six and man on the bench.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Is this the right call?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I think it is.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
I think, you know, keeping Ezra away, you know from
the first twenty minutes he come on last week and
it worked. You know, they were a little bit tied Penrith.
He started to run the ball and I hated a
running threat in front of me because they were so dangerous.
So I think if it worked last week against the
defendant parameters, but why not try it again this week
because it wasn't broken.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
They've come back from fourteen kneel down in back to
back finals, and I don't think that they can do
it again. I think they need to start fast. I
think to beat the Storm they need to start fast.
I would still not surprised. I would have had six
Jumper and I would have had Ben Hunting.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think that's their best team.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's a good point you make. It is a good point.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It's hard to keep coming back and that that that
win would take a lot out of them.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Even though that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And you know, adrenaline and the fans were pumped and
they've proven in themselves they can come back now and
they've done it so much this year, but.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It is hard to do it into Melbourne, very hard.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And especially three weeks in a row.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
And I think that, look, you didn't think mil Penrith
would give up a fourteen point league, but to do
it again, I think if I think the Broncos are
playing with such belief now that if they can start fast,
they're also going to be hard to beat.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
When they're on top.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
You'd have to be insane to change your halves between
the prelim and the Grand Final after you've just won
a big game.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I just think that that's their best team.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It may well be calls, but it's a seventeen man game.
Ezra was used so effectively off the bench last week
and he will be used effectively again this week. But
to change your two halves who have set the standard
during the final in the week of the Grand Final would.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Have been mad.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't disagree that, but there's an argument definitely to
change it, and we just heard it and it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Was a good argument. You know, the only won by
two points.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
They come from thee but Gordon, you said all the
time it wasn't broken brace, So why would you try
to change your winning.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Song saying they should.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm saying that there's a fair argument there with the
quality of players.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Let's call it for Ben Hunt, right, is a pretty
good half. He's a great hooker, That's how I see it.
When he plays for the Queensland side plays nine mates,
you lose punch off the bench.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
So if you start because was so good off the
bench last week, you know to one area, but you're
going to waken another area.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Of course it made a difference.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I just think from the comeback perspective, to try and
do it three times in a row, you could see
the game change when he came on the the threat
that he creates.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Could there be a laid switcher?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, I think there could be.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You never know, budd he spoke in the Mansion.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, I haven't spoken the mats this week, but I
don't think he'll change anything both.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I think they were so good last week.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
They're on such a high that their spirits are up,
their camaraderie is up there on a roll.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He won't change anything, fair Cornew.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Patrick Carrigan comes in Ben Tolty, the one that misses out.
This is the obvious one, right, But how good is
it that he's back in Carrygan the thin well.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
I thought he was going to be really missed, you know,
because he's the one two punch with pain has.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
But the Broncos for did a great job. He's probably
probably Rismond's greatest number thirteen.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
So to have someone like that the comeback in big
game player, you need him if they want to win.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
He is He's a big game player. That's what Pat
Carrigan is. He'll he'll make so difference. You've seen him
do it in Origins. He goes on the field and
he changes games. I think it's a massive massively for
the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I know we're going to talk about hears later in
the show, but what about him playing eighty minutes last
week essentially to cover for the loss of Karragan.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just extraordinary he is and we will talk about him own.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Thanks Doggy Green Atkins to the referee the Grand Final
and Kline is in the bunker.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Is this the right call?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Absolutely? You know why.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's a reward for a referee who's stuck his whistle
in his pocket.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I was getting worried with the whistle break. No, I
wouldn't go show.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But last Friday night kleinb twenty two minutes ball in
playing that first half down in Melbourne eighteen penalties. I
think Ashley Klein butchered his chances of referee a Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On Sunday we saw an epic game.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
This bloke decided to let it flow a bit like
Adam g did in the twenty twenty three Grand Final.
And there's a reward. That's a message, clean message to
all referees. Yes, you've got to pick up infringements, but
if you let the game flow, and you let it
roll along at its own speed, you have a feel
for the game and for the occasion you will referee
a first grade grand.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Final cliin blew It week on week. Go back to
the Raiders game. The biggest call in that match he
got wrong the following week. Look early in the game,
Dylan Edwards, you know that sin bin when he interfered
with kickout that ticks every single box for a sinbin,
Yet he chose to ignore it on that occasion.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And then in this Cronulla game, the penalties for.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Mine just ruined the game like it was just like
it was a constant stop start game. Then you watch
the Broncos on Sunday and admittedly Atkins didn't get.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Everything right, like he got a few wrong.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
They're probably on the precedent that Klein said in the
camera game there should have been a few sinbins there.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
But I like the fact that he didn't sinnbin.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
I'd rather watch thirteen on thirteen and the way this
bloke allowed the game to flow.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Do you think this should Yeah? I did.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Look, I know you give it to Buzz last night.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
I actually thought Cleary or.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Penriff should have got the penalty there.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
And I saw what you said how he got him
at the moment, I just say breath. There's been an
overprotection for playmakers this year and I don't necessarily agree
on it, but what we've seen over the course of
the season, I reckon that's a penalty more often than I.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Think they've got it right at the right time.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well, look, it's just a consistency factor.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
And you know, I had a crack at Cleary being
overprotected when they played the Knights, probably about a month
ago or so, and he got two penalties where there
was just incidental content.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If they blow the penalty there, right, and it goes
against the Broncos, and then we pause this like we
did last night, it shows that he's making contact before
he kicks it or as he's kicking it.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's the way to go. That's the way that it
got it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Wrong with because it was a critical it would be saying, well,
they've got that wrong because we're going to slow it down.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
And touches his leg. That's the thing. It's a penalty.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, that's around and what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
And he got there on time's right and the rules.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm glad it was.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's a brilliant final for exactly it's a preliminary final
and I know, you have to be the letter of
the laurel adjudicate to the letter of the law. But
surely in a big game we can just let a
little thing.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
That's been the problem though, because the bloody precedent, but
stuff clients now, I know, But but that's the consistency.
The consistency of the competition is why people will look
at that and say, well, Liam Martin should have gone,
Nathan should have and I.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Think Akins, I think, but I'm glad he did.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Most of the time you're watching the players sorted out.
I think the players get a chance to win the game.
Sometimes climb nothing just over.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You really picked it up, and I loving your last year.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I've got nothing to lose. But everything going all right.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Sure, absolutely, there's a long way to goin this whole
I manage the batement viral last night Crawls was we buzz.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Of course you think it's one of the great comebacks.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
You don't have to like Michael McGuire, but you have
to respect what he's achieved here because when he was
sacked by the Tigers in twenty twenty two midway through
the season, was his career was in tatters. His reputation
was in tatters as a future head coach. He was
going to struggle to get a job, and of course
that had come on the back of the you know,
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the mail that came out of South Sydney when he
was there. But since then he got handed a lifeline
by the Kiwis. He beat Australia thirty zero in that game.
He came back, he picked his wall with Billy Slater
the following year and he won New South Wales the
Origin Series. And what he's done at Brisbane this year,
for all the criticism, the fact that they've about his
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hard techniques and the spew buckets and the baseball bats
and everything else that goes with Madge, they've come back
the end of the season and won two finals games,
coming back from fourteen points behind. So all the work
that he'd done earlier in the season, you just can't
deny the fact what he's done. It's like it's an
(13:14):
incredible on the cusp of a Grand Slam.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
There it is. There's the headlines three easier you know.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
What, breath.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
That's as low as you can go to be dumped
by the Tigers who won three wooden spoons. Let's be fair, Nick,
you cannot go any lower. He then flumbs the new
South Wales job, wins the series and before we know it,
he's coaching the biggest rugby league team in Australia into
a Grand Final. It's an extraordinary comeback, it really is.
And I know Buzzer has been very anti Madge in
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terms of army camps and.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Spew buckets what you talked about.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But the fact they've come back from twelve points down
in two successive games or it's a fourteen points shows
you that the hard work that they did pre season
physically and the hard work he whacked into them up here.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I think that they're just fifty games older than the
last time they've been there. Possibly mean, so now Reese
Bolsh is getting old, he's still a bit. But whatever
Madge did, Gordy, you have to concede. I think done
it would have done what Match has done this year.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I look at the hypothetical you're saying, though, is a
valid point in that two years ago the maturity of
the Broncos team was very different to what it is now,
you know what I mean? And last year there were
a lot of injuries and Kevy did leave a great
squad behind, but that you still can't deny what Madge
has done is bloody incredible and it is a good squad.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, that's a great squad.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What about Madge and Belly Is.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
There any rivalry or history between?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
There is history. There was history early on. I think
it was twenty thirteen, and it's going back over old
grand because they get on well now apparently, But there
was history.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
There was story like each other.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Madge had the sheep with the story that got leaked,
and I think at the time there was an accusation
that it may have come from Melbourne how Southsovin had
employed a jiu jitsu coach and Bellamy took offense to
that because he didn't, and there was a heated exchange,
and my understanding is got pretty lively. But soon after
that Bellamy put it to Bett. He came out and
(15:16):
said it's all good. There've been made sense and I
don't think there's any drama ongoing. I do find it
interesting though, that we spend so much time analyzing Madge's
spew bucket coaching style, yet there's not a tougher coach
in the game than Craig Bellamy, who just has this
way of getting his team up year on year on
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year on.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Who traditionally has an army camp every single year.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
No one trains a team harder than Bellamy, but for
some reason he's seen as the master for doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Poor On Madge goes the other way.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Belli Aks sends his new recruits to work for a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Before every year they're out in the tools for four weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So that's really rolling the sleeves up and being taught
what an honest long day's work really is.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Good on it? Right?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
What about Reynolds's coming up on the show a little
later if he wins the Grand Final. Where does he
rate or sit amongst Bronco's recruits recruits.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I was thinking about it today, and you go back
to the early days of the Broncos when they had
to recruit basically a whole side, and you had the
likes of Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Gordy.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Alfie Kevin all these great players come.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
But of the NRL era, I can't think of a
person that's come as an established player. We're not talking
about young recruits like the Lachland.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Glenn Yeah, but of.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
The NRL era, Yeah, I think after ninety eight Reynolds,
two Grand Finals four years, if he wins, you're saying,
I think if well, I think he's hard to beat
as it is the fact that he's Can you think
of any others I can't. I can't think of a
guy that's had a bigger impact.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
On the.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Coming through And I haven't that came as an established
start and haven't gone like they haven't had to go
and buy a lot of players.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
But it'd be like Lazarus.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Probably Gil must have come back and Adam rend him
and yeah, because I've never had to go outside the farm.
They've had a lot of kids coming through.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
And I thought, this moment that's one of the bravest
that you've ever seen. Because as he lined up that
shot and he's taken like Reese Walsh's must miss the
goals and he's handed the ball over to Adam, every
single person that's watching that is thinking.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Oh, mate, I hope you get this.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Given what happened at South Sydney in twenty twenty one,
imagine the thought that was going through his mind at
that stage wasagine the pressure and he stooped up, he
stepped up and he took it.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
It was on his bad side too, wasn't it where
Reyes is the left foot would have on his good side.
So Reno is actually showing more courage by saying I'll
take it even though it's not on my good side. Look,
he's one. Sorry, he's been in two Grand finals in
four years now. His success straight up there is sixty percent.
That's pretty handy. I mean Reynolds were now on going
to Brisbane though, he's going into a very good football side.
(17:59):
Having said that, sixty percent that is a very very
good ratio.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And Debbey started the Panthers dynasty and now he's ended
it right, Well, I think he has ended the dynasty.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well, firstly, when you say he started and ended it,
this is to kick your referring to your breath.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It was in.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Twenty twenty one and he pushed it to the right
there so Penrith seventh won by two points. It started
their dynasty and of course he ended it last weekend
with another sideline kick up there.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
As it's just ending the street, not the dynasty, for sure,
That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It's it's words, Gordy.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Look to me, a dynasty is a street you lose,
you have ended the dynasty. When New South Wales meet
Coreensland in twenty fourteen, the dynasty ended just they bounced
back to start another dynasty, and Penrith may well do that.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But for me, the dynasty technically is over. It doesn't
work like that.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
He played for a team called the Broncos at one
ninety two ninety three, then one ninety seven, ninety eight
and then two thousand. That Broncos dynasty that era Canberra
was the same mate they had an interruption during their
run and then they came back in ninety four. I
think the dynasty goes on. I think I haven't got
it spot on with his assessment after the game that
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this is not the end of the dynasty. I'll guarantee
one thing. Penrith won't be sitting last after twelve rounds
next year. And Nathan clear is he twenty seven years
of age. Like the champion playmakers over the course of
our game's history, play their best football after that age.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
It's about time you picked on a New South Wales team.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Picking on them, I'm not picking on them at all.
I can't determine the word you.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Put a line through them for next year is incredible Already.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Define the word dynasty.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Then if they lose next year, we did well. If
they lose next year, is that the end of the dynasty?
Speaker 7 (19:47):
No, No, as I saidst dynasty is is these these
group of players what.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Edwards's that's their rear.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
That's the end.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Okay, I remember that. We've got it down in my diary.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Sure dynasty ends twenty thirty five.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Today's breaking news thanks to byd Shark six, Lewis Didde
has been released by the rabbit Os effective immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, we'll going back to Adam Reynolds again.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
God, you know Souse let him go at the end
of twenty twenty one and we've spoken about it chapter
and verse over the last few years, but it's just
it just reinforces what a rotten decision it was to
let Reynolds go at that time. There was question marks
about his body and him training in a pimp bib
and not being able to last and four years down
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the track, two Grand finals. This poor bugger's come over
from England and it just hasn't worked out for him.
It's been an unfortunate buy for the club. I'm glad
that he goes back home and he finds he finds
a future, but Souse is still looking for the answer.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I feel sorry for the twelve new so Whilst Cup
games six and a rule, but of those six only
one was a starting halfback, which his preferred position. I
don't know who's signing. No one's come forward to say it,
but I will say.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
This, Wayne Bennett good signing.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Wayne Bennett wasn't coaching saus at the time, but he
had been appointed South Sydney coach. You cannot tell me
that he was bought for eight hundred thousand dollars a
year and they did not consult Wayne Bennett, who was
coming in the following year as coach, so Wayne would
have had to given it some form of approval. I
think the situation was the deal had pretty much been
(21:32):
done and Wayne took their advice and said, that's what
you've done, that's what you've done. I don't think he
was the one that recruited Lewis did. I'm pretty perfident
I'm right in saying that I've heard the same thing.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
And you know, Doggie, like you know the fact that
people are still trying to push it the blame this way,
and this play shows that no one's taken ownership of it,
and they probably do an explanation because this kid has
gone back with his reputation intact. And I don't hold
it against Bennet not picking him too. You've got to
pick your best at all but cup.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Game, you know what you're playing with New South Wales. First,
he struggled, but he wasn't even much of a chance
one game in.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
His preferred position.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Do you think that's a fair I think one of
the greatest coaches in the history, if not the greatest,
he gave him a few chances and obviously worked out
he's not he's not there. Look whether or not he's
not going to keep playing him just to appease everyone
else or him.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Give him opportunity.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Go back to the start of the didn't get a chance.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
But you go back to the start of the season
right in the Charity Shield, it was Humphrey starts on
the bench, Dodd starts the game. They had that sin
bin at the time where they could go back retrospectively,
and he got taken off for the second half.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's when South started clicking.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
You can't then go and drop Humphreys and then this
guy has gone back to New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Cup.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
I think he got an injury after that, but maybe
he just didn't fire. Like you can't blame the coach.
It's a recruitment decision that has really gone belly up.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Story for everyone to move on.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Peter Blandy's house today shut down. Concerns over R three
sixty is speculation over the breakaway rugby competition continues.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Anything that doesn't have a business model or a finance
or a backer you can't take seriously. The clubs want
the NRL to take some pretty harsh action and we're
considering it because they're wasting their time with this one,
but there's probably going to be one in the future.
And who's to say that they're not using this NRL
three What is the cause for three sixty? That's just
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a stalking horse to get more money. If you've got
a contract with the NRL, we expect you to honor it,
you know, and if you don't, there's going to be consequences.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And R all three sixty. No R three sixty, Peter,
how good is he really? Does that mean he does
it with the AFL? What does he called the AFL? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
This is interesting because there has been rumors around Papa
here Nelson.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
As for Solomona, I've heard as well, and.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I've been doing a bit of digger lately around this
and talking to people close to R three sixty. You know,
I heard a rumor today from those people, and this
is pure speculation. But what I'm hearing is is that
Zach Lomax is about to sign a deal with them,
and there is a big chance that he played his
last game for paramatter. Now that, as I said, it's
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pure speculation. I've heard it from someone close to R
three sixty. I don't know if it's true or not,
but it's something that we've got to keep an eye
on here because I believe this is starting to get serious.
You know, there are rumors around Papaernows, and there's rumors
around Big Nelson. I've heard, but this one was the
strongest i'd heard yet.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yes, Dry Gray like, you can't ignore that there is
a threat there. And if it comes to fruition and
you had a player, and again it's speculation about Lomax,
but if you had a player that walked out on
a current NRL contract, I would like to think the
game drew a line in the sand and says that's fine, mate,
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Go and play this and I hope you have a
really good time because you're not coming back to our game.
You can't break a contract if the deals are of contract, contract,
no dramas, no dramas whatsoever. It's a free world, you
know what I mean. But if you're going to break
a contract.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
The last got to do this, Sonny bill Willis when
he went to France. Didn't he have to pay the
bull dog?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Did so?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Would that would that be the same situation?
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Look, I think I think because it is, it is
a threat, and we wait to see how big a threat,
you know what I mean. But I think we have
a great game here and we have so much talent
out there looking for an opportunity. I think we can
live without one or two players. But if they're breaking contracts,
don't let them back.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It's easy tough one because the players, you can't grabe
them for any double their wage, just like leave golf.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You know it's it's it's such a big tent.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Take can know if there's a contract in place, like wait,
wait till your contractors finished and then go What about compensation?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
If the clubs are willing to be compensated by R
three sixty.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Make some expensive players.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
These guys don't care about money. I mean, if you
talk about you look at that. I mean again I
refer to live golf. They don't care about money, you know,
I mean, where do you see live golf. You've got
to go on seven mates to even watch it, like
it's barely visible. It's not about TV, right, deals and
these guys, It's just about something bigger.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
You tell me, though, Broth, you're a manager, do you
see this as a genuine threat to our game or
taking quality players?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I didn't until recently when it's starting. The noise is
starting to get louder, and I'm starting to hear the
players signing non disclosures and you know, all that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Sort of thing at the moment. So I'm starting to
worry with it. But I still We've got the greatest
game in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm not worried about our game. Our game will survive anything,
which we've shown that. Look look at it right now.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
If we lose a few big guns, who cares? We
move on?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Like, We've got so many talented players in our competition
and the brand is so strong right now. I don't
think it's because it's rugby unit anyway, so they're only
going to take a handful of lead players.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
We will survive.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
If we do lose Zach Lomax and if your male
is right, Broth, that's a big loss. He is a
genuine rugby league star. He's a state of origin player.
He'll go on the Kangaroo tour or he was going
to the Kangaroo too, or I guess whether he is
picked may well break determine whether this depends. It's a
it's all speculation. I get that, but it's something we
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have to keep monitoring. But I'm with you, Cruls. If
they break a contract, it's disrespecting the game of rugby league.
Go and earn your money, but you're not welcome back.
Then the line in the sand, you are barred for life.
You go back over time. We've lost some pretty good
players over the years. Gordon Wendell, Sailor, Lottie Dakiri Israel
for low Carmichael Hunts Sawali last year.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (27:51):
The game goes on when we where someone goes, someone
replaces them.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
That's not a drama.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
It's a contract situation and you've got to stand for something,
all right, Up.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Next we cross live to Adam Reynolds and tomorrow Australia
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and Doggie.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You've done it again?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What have I done?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This time?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Queensland are set to dominate Grand Final day?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This was one of you call them?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Ah right, that is what you were talking about in the
green room behind my name right holidays for the Sunshine Case.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Did you ever happen to think that maybe.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I inspired Queensland to go to another level of excellence
because at that very point they were on their backsides
Gordon were we?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yes, you were? Look at the look at the percentages.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
It's sort of strange.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
You know how many New South Wales teams you have
in the finals this weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
New So Cup?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
How many is that? What is?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Know?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
You got one?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Did you call them the biggest loser?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
You've got one?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Was that another article?
Speaker 6 (01:03):
So dog I want you to buy a Rooster's jersey,
go there and support Well, you know I won't be
supporting queens Ans because I don't want to support anyone
where you came from, because I don't respect you.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Nor your state Wow, nemesis for forty years. That mob
up north and I think the storm will win.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Go to the storm eryld W two Brisboe.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
So where's Melbourne, Victoria? That's around south.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You're up north right, That's what they said on the platform, mate,
Melbourne Storm is.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
A bad You can't bury for anybody from your own Harry.
I don't need that Gordon run the legs.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You see it in the paper. You don't know who
to go for.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Do you think that new Southwest fans are going to
be a bit torn over this one?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think they will break.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I speak to my mates and they're a bit fifty
to fifty. A lot of people don't like Melbourne Storm
from the old days and they thought they wrestled too much.
Success also brings a lot of people to the point
where they get to be exasperated. The Broncos Queensland, except
it goes on and on.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It'll be split down the middle. But I think more people, well.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know, we'll go for the Broncos because of the
blake with green eyes in the number one jersey.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
I reckon on the contrary, I reckon, I reckon for
the first time in history. The storm almost going as
the people's team because of the state of Brisbane and
the fact that the origin comes into the equation. I know,
Storm We've got a few Origin Queensland origin players there.
I truly believe most people who don't have their team
in it will go for this.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And even though there aren't no New South Wales teams
in the Grand Fall, it is officially sold out.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That's huge, right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Well, I think it's just the style of footy. The
final series, as I mentioned last night, it's the best
that I've seen. So if this there's any indication of
you know where the finals are at, you think Melbourne
and Brisbane.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
It's funny you say that, though good unbelievable game because
you got.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You played in a great era like a lot of.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Old school journos like us go back to that ninety
four period as I remember that, as I look back
at that as the best era of rugby league, and
you actually think that the game right now is better
than it was it you look at.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
The Raiders Brisbane, you look at even like when Penrith
played the Bulldogs, that was still an unbelievable day. Yeah,
and just watching Penoth's dominance last Sunday, was as good
as any game.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We said last night, it's up there with one of
the best final series up to the Grand Final that
we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Do you guys agree with that?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And I think that's why break the crowd is sold
out already. You might not have your side in there.
You might have bought tickets being a Raiders fan or
a or a Panthers, but whoever has missed out the
fan will still go because of the standards.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
When we've started the.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Football in that in that Raiders Broncos game really kicked
it off, didn't it. And then last Sunday was the same.
The Sunday before was the same. It's like the Sunday
foot has had a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I can't confirm people are still searching for tickets because
everyone's hitting me up, so there's none left to carry.
Let's take a look at the Grand Final teams thanks
to sports Bet. In the Melbourne Storm are unchanged. Ryan
Papenhou's in a fallback, go through all of them, Kemra Munster,
Jerome Hughes in the half, Stefano, you Toy Kaman who.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Has lit the fuse.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Harry Grant the captain there in the number nine Jersey
Josh Keen. The other front row on the bench is
unchanged for Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The tablock of the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
They have a change because Carrigan comes in, which I'll
get Torye Walsh fullback.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What a player he has been this year.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Ben Hunt and Adam Reynolds retain their spots in the halves.
Pat Carrigan comes into the team after that suspension and
Ezra Man is still on the bench. After we spoke
about it last night, which we'll get too soon. Tyson Smoothie.
He moves back to the bench and tlty is the
man that is out in our match, holds his nerve
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with Hunt at six and man on the bench.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Is this the right call?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I think it is.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
I think, you know, keeping Ezra away, you know from
the first twenty minutes he come on last week and
it worked. You know, they were a little bit tied Penrith.
He started to run the ball and I hated a
running threat in front of me because they were so dangerous.
So I think if it worked last week against the
defendant parameters, but why not try it again this week
because it wasn't broken.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
They've come back from fourteen kneel down in back to
back finals, and I don't think that they can do
it again. I think they need to start fast. I
think to beat the Storm they need to start fast.
I would still not surprised. I would have had six
Jumper and I would have had Ben Hunting.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think that's their best team.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's a good point you make. It is a good point.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It's hard to keep coming back and that that that
win would take a lot out of them.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Even though that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And you know, adrenaline and the fans were pumped and
they've proven in themselves they can come back now and
they've done it so much this year, but.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It is hard to do it into Melbourne, very hard.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And especially three weeks in a row.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
And I think that, look, you didn't think mil Penrith
would give up a fourteen point league, but to do
it again, I think if I think the Broncos are
playing with such belief now that if they can start fast,
they're also going to be hard to beat.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
When they're on top.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
You'd have to be insane to change your halves between
the prelim and the Grand Final after you've just won
a big game.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I just think that that's their best team.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It may well be calls, but it's a seventeen man game.
Ezra was used so effectively off the bench last week
and he will be used effectively again this week. But
to change your two halves who have set the standard
during the final in the week of the Grand Final would.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Have been mad.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't disagree that, but there's an argument definitely to
change it, and we just heard it and it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Was a good argument. You know, the only won by
two points.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
They come from thee but Gordon, you said all the
time it wasn't broken brace, So why would you try
to change your winning.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Song saying they should.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm saying that there's a fair argument there with the
quality of players.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Let's call it for Ben Hunt, right, is a pretty
good half. He's a great hooker, That's how I see it.
When he plays for the Queensland side plays nine mates,
you lose punch off the bench.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
So if you start because was so good off the
bench last week, you know to one area, but you're
going to waken another area.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Of course it made a difference.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I just think from the comeback perspective, to try and
do it three times in a row, you could see
the game change when he came on the the threat
that he creates.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Could there be a laid switcher?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, I think there could be.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You never know, budd he spoke in the Mansion.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, I haven't spoken the mats this week, but I
don't think he'll change anything both.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I think they were so good last week.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
They're on such a high that their spirits are up,
their camaraderie is up there on a roll.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He won't change anything, fair Cornew.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Patrick Carrigan comes in Ben Tolty, the one that misses out.
This is the obvious one, right, But how good is
it that he's back in Carrygan the thin well.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
I thought he was going to be really missed, you know,
because he's the one two punch with pain has.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
But the Broncos for did a great job. He's probably
probably Rismond's greatest number thirteen.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
So to have someone like that the comeback in big
game player, you need him if they want to win.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
He is He's a big game player. That's what Pat
Carrigan is. He'll he'll make so difference. You've seen him
do it in Origins. He goes on the field and
he changes games. I think it's a massive massively for
the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I know we're going to talk about hears later in
the show, but what about him playing eighty minutes last
week essentially to cover for the loss of Karragan.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just extraordinary he is and we will talk about him own.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Thanks Doggy Green Atkins to the referee the Grand Final
and Kline is in the bunker.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Is this the right call?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Absolutely? You know why.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's a reward for a referee who's stuck his whistle
in his pocket.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I was getting worried with the whistle break. No, I
wouldn't go show.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But last Friday night kleinb twenty two minutes ball in
playing that first half down in Melbourne eighteen penalties. I
think Ashley Klein butchered his chances of referee a Grand Final.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On Sunday we saw an epic game.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
This bloke decided to let it flow a bit like
Adam g did in the twenty twenty three Grand Final.
And there's a reward. That's a message, clean message to
all referees. Yes, you've got to pick up infringements, but
if you let the game flow, and you let it
roll along at its own speed, you have a feel
for the game and for the occasion you will referee
a first grade grand.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Final cliin blew It week on week. Go back to
the Raiders game. The biggest call in that match he
got wrong the following week. Look early in the game,
Dylan Edwards, you know that sin bin when he interfered
with kickout that ticks every single box for a sinbin,
Yet he chose to ignore it on that occasion.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And then in this Cronulla game, the penalties for.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Mine just ruined the game like it was just like
it was a constant stop start game. Then you watch
the Broncos on Sunday and admittedly Atkins didn't get.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Everything right, like he got a few wrong.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
They're probably on the precedent that Klein said in the
camera game there should have been a few sinbins there.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
But I like the fact that he didn't sinnbin.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
I'd rather watch thirteen on thirteen and the way this
bloke allowed the game to flow.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Do you think this should Yeah? I did.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Look, I know you give it to Buzz last night.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
I actually thought Cleary or.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Penriff should have got the penalty there.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
And I saw what you said how he got him
at the moment, I just say breath. There's been an
overprotection for playmakers this year and I don't necessarily agree
on it, but what we've seen over the course of
the season, I reckon that's a penalty more often than I.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Think they've got it right at the right time.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well, look, it's just a consistency factor.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
And you know, I had a crack at Cleary being
overprotected when they played the Knights, probably about a month
ago or so, and he got two penalties where there
was just incidental content.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If they blow the penalty there, right, and it goes
against the Broncos, and then we pause this like we
did last night, it shows that he's making contact before
he kicks it or as he's kicking it.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's the way to go. That's the way that it
got it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Wrong with because it was a critical it would be saying, well,
they've got that wrong because we're going to slow it down.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
And touches his leg. That's the thing. It's a penalty.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, that's around and what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
And he got there on time's right and the rules.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm glad it was.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's a brilliant final for exactly it's a preliminary final
and I know, you have to be the letter of
the laurel adjudicate to the letter of the law. But
surely in a big game we can just let a
little thing.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
That's been the problem though, because the bloody precedent, but
stuff clients now, I know, But but that's the consistency.
The consistency of the competition is why people will look
at that and say, well, Liam Martin should have gone,
Nathan should have and I.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Think Akins, I think, but I'm glad he did.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Most of the time you're watching the players sorted out.
I think the players get a chance to win the game.
Sometimes climb nothing just over.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You really picked it up, and I loving your last year.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I've got nothing to lose. But everything going all right.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Sure, absolutely, there's a long way to goin this whole
I manage the batement viral last night Crawls was we buzz.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Of course you think it's one of the great comebacks.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
You don't have to like Michael McGuire, but you have
to respect what he's achieved here because when he was
sacked by the Tigers in twenty twenty two midway through
the season, was his career was in tatters. His reputation
was in tatters as a future head coach. He was
going to struggle to get a job, and of course
that had come on the back of the you know,
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the mail that came out of South Sydney when he
was there. But since then he got handed a lifeline
by the Kiwis. He beat Australia thirty zero in that game.
He came back, he picked his wall with Billy Slater
the following year and he won New South Wales the
Origin Series. And what he's done at Brisbane this year,
for all the criticism, the fact that they've about his
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hard techniques and the spew buckets and the baseball bats
and everything else that goes with Madge, they've come back
the end of the season and won two finals games,
coming back from fourteen points behind. So all the work
that he'd done earlier in the season, you just can't
deny the fact what he's done. It's like it's an
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incredible on the cusp of a Grand Slam.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
There it is. There's the headlines three easier you know.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
What, breath.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
That's as low as you can go to be dumped
by the Tigers who won three wooden spoons. Let's be fair, Nick,
you cannot go any lower. He then flumbs the new
South Wales job, wins the series and before we know it,
he's coaching the biggest rugby league team in Australia into
a Grand Final. It's an extraordinary comeback, it really is.
And I know Buzzer has been very anti Madge in
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terms of army camps and.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Spew buckets what you talked about.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But the fact they've come back from twelve points down
in two successive games or it's a fourteen points shows
you that the hard work that they did pre season
physically and the hard work he whacked into them up here.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I think that they're just fifty games older than the
last time they've been there. Possibly mean, so now Reese
Bolsh is getting old, he's still a bit. But whatever
Madge did, Gordy, you have to concede. I think done
it would have done what Match has done this year.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I look at the hypothetical you're saying, though, is a
valid point in that two years ago the maturity of
the Broncos team was very different to what it is now,
you know what I mean? And last year there were
a lot of injuries and Kevy did leave a great
squad behind, but that you still can't deny what Madge
has done is bloody incredible and it is a good squad.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, that's a great squad.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What about Madge and Belly Is.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
There any rivalry or history between?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
There is history. There was history early on. I think
it was twenty thirteen, and it's going back over old
grand because they get on well now apparently, But there
was history.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
There was story like each other.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Madge had the sheep with the story that got leaked,
and I think at the time there was an accusation
that it may have come from Melbourne how Southsovin had
employed a jiu jitsu coach and Bellamy took offense to
that because he didn't, and there was a heated exchange,
and my understanding is got pretty lively. But soon after
that Bellamy put it to Bett. He came out and
(15:16):
said it's all good. There've been made sense and I
don't think there's any drama ongoing. I do find it
interesting though, that we spend so much time analyzing Madge's
spew bucket coaching style, yet there's not a tougher coach
in the game than Craig Bellamy, who just has this
way of getting his team up year on year on
(15:36):
year on.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Who traditionally has an army camp every single year.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
No one trains a team harder than Bellamy, but for
some reason he's seen as the master for doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Poor On Madge goes the other way.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Belli Aks sends his new recruits to work for a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Before every year they're out in the tools for four weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So that's really rolling the sleeves up and being taught
what an honest long day's work really is.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Good on it? Right?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
What about Reynolds's coming up on the show a little
later if he wins the Grand Final. Where does he
rate or sit amongst Bronco's recruits recruits.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I was thinking about it today, and you go back
to the early days of the Broncos when they had
to recruit basically a whole side, and you had the
likes of Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Gordy.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Alfie Kevin all these great players come.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
But of the NRL era, I can't think of a
person that's come as an established player. We're not talking
about young recruits like the Lachland.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Glenn Yeah, but of.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
The NRL era, Yeah, I think after ninety eight Reynolds,
two Grand Finals four years, if he wins, you're saying,
I think if well, I think he's hard to beat
as it is the fact that he's Can you think
of any others I can't. I can't think of a
guy that's had a bigger impact.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
On the.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Coming through And I haven't that came as an established
start and haven't gone like they haven't had to go
and buy a lot of players.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
But it'd be like Lazarus.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Probably Gil must have come back and Adam rend him
and yeah, because I've never had to go outside the farm.
They've had a lot of kids coming through.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
And I thought, this moment that's one of the bravest
that you've ever seen. Because as he lined up that
shot and he's taken like Reese Walsh's must miss the
goals and he's handed the ball over to Adam, every
single person that's watching that is thinking.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Oh, mate, I hope you get this.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Given what happened at South Sydney in twenty twenty one,
imagine the thought that was going through his mind at
that stage wasagine the pressure and he stooped up, he
stepped up and he took it.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
It was on his bad side too, wasn't it where
Reyes is the left foot would have on his good side.
So Reno is actually showing more courage by saying I'll
take it even though it's not on my good side. Look,
he's one. Sorry, he's been in two Grand finals in
four years now. His success straight up there is sixty percent.
That's pretty handy. I mean Reynolds were now on going
to Brisbane though, he's going into a very good football side.
(17:59):
Having said that, sixty percent that is a very very
good ratio.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And Debbey started the Panthers dynasty and now he's ended
it right, Well, I think he has ended the dynasty.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well, firstly, when you say he started and ended it,
this is to kick your referring to your breath.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It was in.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Twenty twenty one and he pushed it to the right
there so Penrith seventh won by two points. It started
their dynasty and of course he ended it last weekend
with another sideline kick up there.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
As it's just ending the street, not the dynasty, for sure,
That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It's it's words, Gordy.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Look to me, a dynasty is a street you lose,
you have ended the dynasty. When New South Wales meet
Coreensland in twenty fourteen, the dynasty ended just they bounced
back to start another dynasty, and Penrith may well do that.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But for me, the dynasty technically is over. It doesn't
work like that.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
He played for a team called the Broncos at one
ninety two ninety three, then one ninety seven, ninety eight
and then two thousand. That Broncos dynasty that era Canberra
was the same mate they had an interruption during their
run and then they came back in ninety four. I
think the dynasty goes on. I think I haven't got
it spot on with his assessment after the game that
(19:13):
this is not the end of the dynasty. I'll guarantee
one thing. Penrith won't be sitting last after twelve rounds
next year. And Nathan clear is he twenty seven years
of age. Like the champion playmakers over the course of
our game's history, play their best football after that age.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
It's about time you picked on a New South Wales team.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Picking on them, I'm not picking on them at all.
I can't determine the word you.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Put a line through them for next year is incredible Already.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Define the word dynasty.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Then if they lose next year, we did well. If
they lose next year, is that the end of the dynasty?
Speaker 7 (19:47):
No, No, as I saidst dynasty is is these these
group of players what.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Edwards's that's their rear.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
That's the end.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Okay, I remember that. We've got it down in my diary.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Sure dynasty ends twenty thirty five.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Today's breaking news thanks to byd Shark six, Lewis Didde
has been released by the rabbit Os effective immediately.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, we'll going back to Adam Reynolds again.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
God, you know Souse let him go at the end
of twenty twenty one and we've spoken about it chapter
and verse over the last few years, but it's just
it just reinforces what a rotten decision it was to
let Reynolds go at that time. There was question marks
about his body and him training in a pimp bib
and not being able to last and four years down
(20:42):
the track, two Grand finals. This poor bugger's come over
from England and it just hasn't worked out for him.
It's been an unfortunate buy for the club. I'm glad
that he goes back home and he finds he finds
a future, but Souse is still looking for the answer.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I feel sorry for the twelve new so Whilst Cup
games six and a rule, but of those six only
one was a starting halfback, which his preferred position. I
don't know who's signing. No one's come forward to say it,
but I will say.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
This, Wayne Bennett good signing.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Wayne Bennett wasn't coaching saus at the time, but he
had been appointed South Sydney coach. You cannot tell me
that he was bought for eight hundred thousand dollars a
year and they did not consult Wayne Bennett, who was
coming in the following year as coach, so Wayne would
have had to given it some form of approval. I
think the situation was the deal had pretty much been
(21:32):
done and Wayne took their advice and said, that's what
you've done, that's what you've done. I don't think he
was the one that recruited Lewis did. I'm pretty perfident
I'm right in saying that I've heard the same thing.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
And you know, Doggie, like you know the fact that
people are still trying to push it the blame this way,
and this play shows that no one's taken ownership of it,
and they probably do an explanation because this kid has
gone back with his reputation intact. And I don't hold
it against Bennet not picking him too. You've got to
pick your best at all but cup.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Game, you know what you're playing with New South Wales. First,
he struggled, but he wasn't even much of a chance
one game in.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
His preferred position.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Do you think that's a fair I think one of
the greatest coaches in the history, if not the greatest,
he gave him a few chances and obviously worked out
he's not he's not there. Look whether or not he's
not going to keep playing him just to appease everyone
else or him.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Give him opportunity.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Go back to the start of the didn't get a chance.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
But you go back to the start of the season
right in the Charity Shield, it was Humphrey starts on
the bench, Dodd starts the game. They had that sin
bin at the time where they could go back retrospectively,
and he got taken off for the second half.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's when South started clicking.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
You can't then go and drop Humphreys and then this
guy has gone back to New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Cup.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
I think he got an injury after that, but maybe
he just didn't fire. Like you can't blame the coach.
It's a recruitment decision that has really gone belly up.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Story for everyone to move on.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Peter Blandy's house today shut down. Concerns over R three
sixty is speculation over the breakaway rugby competition continues.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Anything that doesn't have a business model or a finance
or a backer you can't take seriously. The clubs want
the NRL to take some pretty harsh action and we're
considering it because they're wasting their time with this one,
but there's probably going to be one in the future.
And who's to say that they're not using this NRL
three What is the cause for three sixty? That's just
(23:39):
a stalking horse to get more money. If you've got
a contract with the NRL, we expect you to honor it,
you know, and if you don't, there's going to be consequences.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And R all three sixty. No R three sixty, Peter,
how good is he really? Does that mean he does
it with the AFL? What does he called the AFL? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
This is interesting because there has been rumors around Papa
here Nelson.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
As for Solomona, I've heard as well, and.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I've been doing a bit of digger lately around this
and talking to people close to R three sixty. You know,
I heard a rumor today from those people, and this
is pure speculation. But what I'm hearing is is that
Zach Lomax is about to sign a deal with them,
and there is a big chance that he played his
last game for paramatter. Now that, as I said, it's
(24:26):
pure speculation. I've heard it from someone close to R
three sixty. I don't know if it's true or not,
but it's something that we've got to keep an eye
on here because I believe this is starting to get serious.
You know, there are rumors around Papaernows, and there's rumors
around Big Nelson. I've heard, but this one was the
strongest i'd heard yet.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yes, Dry Gray like, you can't ignore that there is
a threat there. And if it comes to fruition and
you had a player, and again it's speculation about Lomax,
but if you had a player that walked out on
a current NRL contract, I would like to think the
game drew a line in the sand and says that's fine, mate,
(25:06):
Go and play this and I hope you have a
really good time because you're not coming back to our game.
You can't break a contract if the deals are of contract, contract,
no dramas, no dramas whatsoever. It's a free world, you
know what I mean. But if you're going to break
a contract.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
The last got to do this, Sonny bill Willis when
he went to France. Didn't he have to pay the
bull dog?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Did so?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Would that would that be the same situation?
Speaker 7 (25:31):
Look, I think I think because it is, it is
a threat, and we wait to see how big a threat,
you know what I mean. But I think we have
a great game here and we have so much talent
out there looking for an opportunity. I think we can
live without one or two players. But if they're breaking contracts,
don't let them back.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It's easy tough one because the players, you can't grabe
them for any double their wage, just like leave golf.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You know it's it's it's such a big tent.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Take can know if there's a contract in place, like wait,
wait till your contractors finished and then go What about compensation?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
If the clubs are willing to be compensated by R
three sixty.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Make some expensive players.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
These guys don't care about money. I mean, if you
talk about you look at that. I mean again I
refer to live golf. They don't care about money, you know,
I mean, where do you see live golf. You've got
to go on seven mates to even watch it, like
it's barely visible. It's not about TV, right, deals and
these guys, It's just about something bigger.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
You tell me, though, Broth, you're a manager, do you
see this as a genuine threat to our game or
taking quality players?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I didn't until recently when it's starting. The noise is
starting to get louder, and I'm starting to hear the
players signing non disclosures and you know, all that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Sort of thing at the moment. So I'm starting to
worry with it. But I still We've got the greatest
game in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm not worried about our game. Our game will survive anything,
which we've shown that. Look look at it right now.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
If we lose a few big guns, who cares? We
move on?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Like, We've got so many talented players in our competition
and the brand is so strong right now. I don't
think it's because it's rugby unit anyway, so they're only
going to take a handful of lead players.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
We will survive.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
If we do lose Zach Lomax and if your male
is right, Broth, that's a big loss. He is a
genuine rugby league star. He's a state of origin player.
He'll go on the Kangaroo tour or he was going
to the Kangaroo too, or I guess whether he is
picked may well break determine whether this depends. It's a
it's all speculation. I get that, but it's something we
(27:27):
have to keep monitoring. But I'm with you, Cruls. If
they break a contract, it's disrespecting the game of rugby league.
Go and earn your money, but you're not welcome back.
Then the line in the sand, you are barred for life.
You go back over time. We've lost some pretty good
players over the years. Gordon Wendell, Sailor, Lottie Dakiri Israel
for low Carmichael Hunts Sawali last year.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (27:51):
The game goes on when we where someone goes, someone
replaces them.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
That's not a drama.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
It's a contract situation and you've got to stand for something,
all right, Up.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Next we cross live to Adam Reynolds and tomorrow Australia
face New Zealand in the first T twenty. You can
catch all the action live from four pm on Fox
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