September 16, 2025 • 33 mins
Catch up on all the Rugby League news from NRL 360, Tuesday September 16th, with hosts Braith Anasta and Gorden Tallis.
Braith and Gorden are joined by Paul Crawley and Andrew Webster to discuss the latest developments of the Brandon Smith substance scandal with Victor Radley's name now allegedly involved. The boys also chat through the Bulldogs decision to recall Toby Sexton at halfback.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to three sixty Rugby League from every angle, brought
to you by Regain Joining me again the great Gordon Tallis.
It's bring the journals in Poor Crawley and Andrew WebStar
breaking news tonight with reports from the Daily Telegraph and
Sidney Morning Herald of an alleged text exchange between Brandon
Smith and Victor Radley relating to alleged drug and gambling chargers. Journals.
(00:33):
What have you heard about this this afternoon?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh look, I was sort of surprises everybody when these
two stories broke about four o'clock this afternoon. Brace Brandon
Smith is due to appear in south Port Magistrates Court
on Thursday. I think both clubs probably more the roosters
than anyone was interested in the narel of course to
see what was said at that hearing, even though it's
(00:56):
just a mention. But these two stories, just two beforehand,
have shifted the focus from Brandon Smith to Victor Radley
in many ways, and we have to make it very
clear brand Victor hasn't been charged, there's no alleged allegation
of wrongdoing, but those text messages, those alleged text messages
are pretty damning and it raises questions for both the
(01:19):
NL and the Roosters about you know, what's going to
happen down the track.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, it's exactly what you just said. It's it's shifted
the focus because the Brandon Stiss Smith stuff's been out
for a while, Souse played.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Him the last game.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
South Sydney have decided, you know, they won't make any
statements at all about what's going on until the matter's cleared.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
From a Rooster's perspective.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
As you said, Victor Radley, no proof he's done anything
wrong though, claims that he's taken any drugs or bought
any drugs. But the text message exchange is what people
around the game are talking about. They're talking about the
fact that Nick polite Us has said previously he has
a zero tolerance and he will get rid of anyone
(02:04):
at the club who has been found to be involved
in drugs.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Go well, it's strange at this time of year, but
the courts will do the thing. I think South Sydney,
like Wayne Bennett and Old Copper right for him to
let Brandon Smith play. I'm not saying it's a storm
in the cup, but I think that'll run its course.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Generally, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Let's have a look at the small sample of alleged
text messages between the exchange. This is from the Dali Telegraph.
Bradley GT up your cousin in Sunny Coast for me
little shortball, short eight ball if you will Smith, yep,
sweet Bro. I'll give you the contact when I get it.
Next one Smith, just call him. That's from Goldie number.
(02:52):
He's got people in Sunny Coast, he said. To call
him and he will give you number. And at the
end of the exchange. Or good Bro, you sorted us?
Good man, yep, let me know. If you need anything,
I'll sort it for you.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, look, let's I've been around the books. That's a textbook,
you know, a drug dealing going.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Down allegedly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's you know, an eight ball is you know on
the street is about three and a half grams of coke,
So it's not like it's a tiny amount. But what
you know in terms of what the other text messages
say and where that leads for Victor Radley and the Roosters,
that's the big question.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
If alleged text has change is proven in court, what
could the fallout be for both Brendan and Victor.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Here you think from an NRL perspective, there's no proof
that anyone has taken drugs or had drugs. So the
question is does it bring the game into disrepute? Yes,
it does if it's proven. If anyone admits to anything.
From a Rooster's point of view, is the bigger issue
because it becomes the moral issue. And the moral issue
(04:01):
was outlined by Nick Politis earlier in the year, and
that is the issue for the Roosters because there are
no police charges, there's no suggestion the police are goun to.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Charge cross take it over. These are the quotes here
from Nicky.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Nick said earlier in the year, I think it was
in the Sunday Telegraph. He came out and said, if
somebody's caught doing cocaine or leaning over or snorting something,
were going to get rid of him.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Our stance is zero tolerance. We are very strong on it.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Trent Robinson is very strong on it, like that's a statement,
that's a statement about being tough.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And as a consequence from the moment this story broke
and the moment the Roosters and Victor Radley were implicated
in this investigation involving Brandon Smith, nick Politis behind the scenes,
was furious, absolutely furious, mostly because of that statement there.
I can tell you this that Victor Radley, this comes
from several people within the club, was absolutely devastated when
(04:55):
it happened. Was very emotional when talking to the club
about the allegations. So they're not I don't think they're
trying to swoop it under the carpet. I'm not suggesting no, no, no,
But but as I said, so Nick Nick politis at
the moment I've tried to contact him, he is actually
overseas on business. So it's about three him in the morning.
I dare say he won't be too pleased when he
(05:16):
wakes up in a few.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Hours and by surprise or do you don't know this
was coming? I, as I said, I haven't spoken to Nick.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Others that I've spoken to the Roosters had some inkling
that it was coming. They just didn't know the what
was in the text messages I actually read a few
hours to the person I spoke to tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Has there been a response from either South or the
Roosters of you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
The Roosters have said to me they're not making any comment.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
At all, and South's is the same.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
They won't.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They won't make a comment until it's Yeah, it's completed.
But yeah, that's that's the issue from a game perspective.
If the cops don't push forward with anything against Victor,
well there's nothing doing.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Hasn't been accused of anything or charged for anything. Do
you think Nick pulls the trigger though, after his.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Comments, that's a big that's a big question. I got
to say he was very Yeah, he was certainly contemplating
it when this story broke involving Victor.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Radley a few weeks ago court court or a picture
in Nick Politis's statement, if anybody's court.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And so when when when when Nick said that he
was throwing a jab at the broncos over Is remembered
how they handled it and south with how they handled
Latrell Mitchell and and in many respects these comments that
come back to bud him.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But do you think so no one's made it, call it?
Do you think.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
At the moment you can't break because their allegations, their claims,
and as we sit here.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Today, Victor Radley is guilty of nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No one's been accused. I have to say that it's
all alleged. But it does go back to the golf
trip of the Rooster's players and there seven of them, right,
do you think that they will be dragging to this now?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, I think they already have. And that's the thing
that's infuriated the Roosters, that's infuriated blokes like Chad Townsend
and the captain too Tesco. And that's that's what Trent
Robinson was alluding to when he did that press conference
and he talked about people joining the dots. He wasn't
so much. And I was guilty of miss reporting this
as well as as it was explained to me. He
(07:14):
was talking about joining the dots and implicating all those plays,
which I'm going to say is unfair. It is just
because there's seven of them there doesn't mean you know
that they partaking the drugs. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The text change you think though, because Robot seem very
confident in the situation when he was quoted and commented
about it probably a month or so ago.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He just shifting the focus.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So like, seriously, like, how does these text messages not
change anything? Like if you're in charge of the club
and you've got a zero tolerance, you've got a zero tolerance,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Like the text messages.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
That it's not going to pass the pub test exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And the thing is it's put the focus right on
the most powerful bloke in the club, and that's the
Champer Nikolas.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You've seem to be close to the Rusters at the
moment with this. Do you think any but what I
mean by will the other players you brought in it?
Will they be questioned? Have they been questioned? Is there anything?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm not entirely sure. I'm assuming the Roosters would want
to get to the bottom if they haven't already about
what happened on that weekend. But I think I think
they're like the rest of us and the ANA in
this too. Andrew Abdo said something similar to both the clubs,
like they can't do anything until the core process runs
its race.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
You would imagine from a Rooster's perspective too, because of
because of their way that they treat drugs at their club.
If there are seven blokes up there on a golf trip,
and I don't know how much cocaine that is, that is,
you know, I don't know how much it is, how
many people it feeds?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Who knows?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But to every person in and talk to them and
there has to be an honesty.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
From the Roosters to the Bunnies, and you said it earlier, Wayne,
he has back Brandon Smith to the club and so
they supported him his coming. I just mentioned. Does the
test text messages change the Rooster's approach and what happens there?
Does the text text messages now change where Brandon stands
with Wayne and South.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think Wayne has been very clear publicly on what
he thinks of this and what they've known previously has
basically been said here that you know, to to the
man in the street, maybe not to the police because
this is seen as drug traffic or what is it
drug supply, but to the blake in the street, it's
like it's passing on a phone, is it not?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Is that how you see?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Because that's how that's exactly how you would interpret he's
helping out a mate.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, so that I don't think SOAUS will change
their stands in that respect. And you know, the other
allegation against Brandon is telling a mate that have a
go at mere for score and first try. But again
in that respect, there wasn't any team strategy to help
him get the first try.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
That's serious, that's a player back in himself.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
What what I keep hearing out of South is that
none of this is surprising because Brandon was upfront about
his history when he joined the club, and he was
upfront with him when they seized his phone a Gold
Coast airport. So they don't seem they seem to be
standing behind their guys.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And this was days after he'd left the Roosters and
he just joined sous.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Wherever you spoke to the NRL, Yeah, have they put
a statement out?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Andrew Abdo just replied to me. His statement was this,
as it is a live core matter, we will not
be making public comment or take any action until the
matter is concluded. We're monitoring the process. Once the matter
has been concluded, we will consider any potential breaches of
NRL rules.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
All Right, they're standing back at the moment, the NRL
with this, So who makes the move here? Do they
make a call or do they leave it to the clubs.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
They'll make the call, they think, with the matter of
this serious, they'll come over.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They won't just allow the clubs to take this and
make their decision.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
They'll come over the top.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It seems to be. I don't think there's any hard
and fast thru all the way they do it. But
I'd to be surprised if the NRL.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
On the front foot. I reckon the NRL will stay
out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Sure, Okay, it's a serious breach, it's a serious criminal matter.
The ani URL we'll have criminal matter. I don't think
it's the worst crime, but I don't think it's the
smartest move from Brandon.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I don't think the NL would just be more fines,
not so much ripping up of contracts stuff like that.
I don't think it's that serious.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I can't not only be speculating.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's bringing if anything is proven, what it is is
bringing the game into distribute, because that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
The game's very forgiving. The game's very forgiving. We've had
a lot of bad boys over the years, you know,
a lot of redemption stories.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Drug policy is very forgiven.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Exactly. But that's right though, Like I mean, you know,
whether there's a strike against you know, any of these
players that's you know, under the three strikes policy, I
don't think you can all.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Right, before we move on, there is absolutely no suggestion
that Radley actually obtained or took illegal drugs. Brendan Smith's
case will go to the court on this Thursday. Smith
will plead not guilty and once again Radley has not
been charged. Now, let's take a look at the big
inns and out's for the semi finals. Thanks to sports Bet,
(12:19):
Stewart names unchanged side from the Broncos loss, for the
Raiders to the Sharks, they name the seventeen from the
Roosters win the Bulldogs Galvin and Yes Sexton new Harves combination,
and for the Panthers, Kenny is named, but it is
on the extended bench. Now the big one the Bulldogs,
(12:39):
Sexton is back in the seven jersey to partner the
men who took it from him, Galvin. This is big, big,
big news today after all the speculation, How do we
see these drawls?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
What took you so long?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Seriously, you know we watched the game all the week.
Can we watch the game on the weekend. We sat
here for months and they've tried to convince everyone that
Lachlan Galvin will mean more to their attack than Toby
sext And Toby Sexton walks on the field. First touch
was it scores a try?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Second touch goes.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Through like he completely changed the way the dogs Now,
they were so courageous in that game. They were and
they had to overcome so much adversity with kick How's
early injury and him leaving the field. Stephen Crichton, Toola
goes down in the second half, mate, and they pushed
the storm all the way.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But Sexton was the bloke out there that took charge.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
He was the half back. He was the chief playmaker.
He not only straightened up their attack, he scored a try,
He made runs, He took over the kicking duties. When
the team was standing in a huddle after scoring, if
he looked at what was happening, it was Sext and
barking the orders, pointing the finger, telling everyone how we're
going to do it. It was like Locke Galvin was
out there on work experience with him like it seriously.
(13:55):
He took charge of the team. He showed us why
he should be the half.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Back in his you know what I love, I loved it,
unlocked Galvin. But it's the best Galvin's looked all year,
and Burton as well. You know you've got too similar
players reckond In, Gavin and Burton. As you said, you've
got an organizing half look at the.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Thing that people underestimate is that we talk about sex
in his kicking game and and and how they they
just look like they need a genuine seven in that
team because Galvin is not it. Now. Most likely, when
you've got a genuine seven, it's not so much about
what they do, it's how they compliment the men around them.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
It's the balance.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's getting kick our quality ball one on one with
a half. It's getting Burton, Sherry and Crichton early ball
or ball in a good moment when they've got time
and space, everyone's focusing on Gavin Galvin Galvin. It's actually like, Okay,
put a genuine seven in there and let everyone else
around them flourish. I actually I love this move. I
love that he's made the course around. Of course kind
(14:52):
of had to be maybe right now, but I think
I give them a genuine chance now, I really do.
I think they can beat Penrith.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
They got it, like they've got a that's going to
get to the sets, get to the points on the field.
Galvin's o'ranna, Burton's are runner, Tracy's a runner out the back,
and I think read Marney too. I would start him
right they get through the first twenty minutes, you know
what Penwrith they're going to do. They're going to try
to bully you, blow you, blow you off the par
come through your front door, and then Hayward can come
(15:19):
on and that too.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, but Read Marty's named on the bench, so i'd
be starting.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
You know what, you spoke about it last night.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Young Hayward good player of the future, but at this
stage of his career, no one will convince me that
he's a better dummy half than the other Blake. And
you mentioned last night thirteen miss tackles. You know you
can't have that, and you've got the other Blake there.
It's a sudden death, knockout elimination semifinal.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Surely you've got to put your best teams.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
More like a starter than a bench player. And Bailey
can play a number of positions and come on the
when the defense is tiring, and he can you know,
he can weave his magic because he's a good ball player,
late footwork, and he's got small speed than Marny. It's
a no brainer for me, and I think if they
do start read that there will be better off for
especially against Penrith and Further.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
To it is that in the extended benches, Blake called
Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Who will you know?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
We thought at the end of that game he's no
chance of playing again, but the fact he's been named
on that bench. So if Stephen Crichton, let's just say
a miracle happens, that's.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Mind games and who knows who? It feels like.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It probably is because they've played so many mind games
with us this year.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
You wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
But let's just say, hypothetically Crichton was to make a miracle,
come back and play what is your heart's combination?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's a great question. That's my halve'st combination. You'd stick
with Galvan And all I know is that I'd have
sex and a seven and whenever you get Burton had
six and Gavernors as a fourteen. That's what I do
one hundred percent a question.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So fourteen then is not Bailey haywooded because if you're
starting to reading.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That's a good question, you know what I mean? Like
problem about that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Just as one man out what I learnt out, but
even to.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Be a problem all year, because it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
A problem point all these changes right then we talk
about it. But you know what, people weren't talking about
what the ratings are long when we talk about it,
because they are interested in it because it's fascinating. But
Rudi's had this big thing about the long term plan
and he's played it hard, right, but while they're planning
for the long term, have they taken their eyes off
(17:26):
the short term and possibly cost themselves a premiership. He's
been big on that. But and I was talking around Eyntore,
who's an ex We won the Comp together in four
and you know, we actually look back at it, we
go we only had a cup like one to two,
even in a team that we had chances of winning
a premiership. And you look at even the Dragons in
twenty ten Souse when they won the Comp twenty fourteen
(17:49):
was it. I never knew, Gordy. The window for premierships
are so small and when you get that window, they're
coming first. You know, like I just it's it's a
and it's not a surprise of me. This story so big.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, and Penrith, I don't know how they've jammed that
window open, but they jammed it open for like four years.
But it's going to be a small window where they were.
I'm just looking at where they were halfway through the year.
It wasn't broke, and then when they put it in
they might have got it right, but they haven't. So
I think it's the smartest movement for the Dogs, fans
and the Dogs moving forward for this game.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
In this season in particular, Like we've all spoken about
the fact that it's probably the closest competition that we
can recall and there is no genuine standout team and
they're one of the six that are still fighting for
the premiership.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
So why worry about next year? Worry about now this year?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
In next ye it's it's.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But you know what we haven't really spoken about too,
is that there's an umber of teams that are stumbling
a little bit, so the floodgates are opening, and if
they are stuck to their guns, who knows how they'd
be sitting right now. They could be one out, one
back instead. They're one of.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Those teams the best coaches in the history of the
game of all has been able to put there. They've
all had big egos, but they've all been able to
put it to the side for the better men of
the team. And if Cameron Serroudo and Gus can do
that for if that's if this looks like it's the
best way forward this season, then they've got to.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Stick with that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You mentioned Gus. Have we heard anything about what role
he's playing there at the moment? Is he letting it all?
Is he letting the coach ages take control?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
He's got a bit of history there doing some gold.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Honestly, wats his role because you talk to people at
Penrith right, You talk to people at Penrith and lately
I did and it was fascinating to hear their take right,
and you hear all the stories and you've written a
book on it with with Ivan.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Ivan knew he's in trouble when Gus was sitting just
sitting there, just sitting there in the stands and watching
for the whole session. That's always an ominous sign. So
I don't know what I'm not don't have enough of
a Canterbury to know the relationship between the two. I
do know that when I'm spoken to Cameron Surroundo even
this year about Gussie says he's been a massive support
for him.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So did even tell the story about James Segiaro and
Happy Corros?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
How but did he tell you the story?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You tell me, We didn't. We didn't talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So when it went when going back when probably around
twenty sixteen sort of time Appy was there, I think
the story goes, I haven't had a massive rap on
Appy and they you know, James Seguiaro is a very
good player, but Happy corros Hour was a step ahead
of him, and I think Ivan was of the belief
that Appy would be staying and Segiara would be going
(20:40):
until he heard a news report telling him that APPI
was actually on his way to Manly and Segiara was staying,
you know, like so that was the situation back then, and.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So that was the beginning of the end.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We look at it now and you wonder with the
you know, a couple of the curious decisions this year,
people naturally go back to, is Gus to it again?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Is he is he playing these mind games?
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Was big?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He came out hard and fast and said, no, this
is all my decision.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I own this. He did.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
He came out and we looked at it, we spoke
about it, we showed it. So you know, you'd like
to think it is but you know, as if Guss
isn't having some sort of input in.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The case every single part where he's been general manager
of football seven more years. I know it's a long contract.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
See if the relationship, but Lessen, you.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Cannot deny what he's built there and what's it's like
one of the one of the most the modern day
rugby league.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And like everywhere he goes, there's what he does the pathways,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And that's what he's done with and that's what he's
done with Canary But it's different with Canterbury to Penrith
because Penrith, you know why they had that big window
that you talked about, because they had nine thousand juniors
and Gus got that pipeline going. Canterby don't have those juniors.
But he's been able to recruit all over the place
and he's he's one of the smartest blokes in the
game and he's got some financial backers in the lawndies
and a big league player. It's very formidable what they've
(22:08):
done there in a short space of time.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Often with Gus their success, but there's also drama. Yeah,
is not riding off the dogs as the panther skipper
repairs to take on a number of his former teammates that.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
They're on their own journey.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
But it's obviously a certain certainly bit of a Penrith
flavor to it. But they've got different individuals, different strengths
in their team, and then they play to those. So
they just feel like we match up well against one another.
We both sort of play a similar style. We like
ball and play. We like grinding, trusting your defense, and
I think it makes me an exciting somebody final in
front of it. I'm assuming just about to pack that crowd.
Of the course, he's there.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
A rivalry between these two teams. Do the Bulldogs take
the Panthers players where.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They took some took the coach, you know, took kick
out burden little but you know, Penrith will never admit
this publicly, but they kept receipts. They kept receipts on it.
You know, they were very they're very cagy when you
ask them about it publicly, but privately that's you know,
I think it's noted by some people there, particularly those
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have been there for a long time.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Gives us a bit more in this game.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Spice, aren't cross and well Penrith of the Kings too,
aren't They like their they're good haters.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
It's almost like Penrith of time.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
They're run this year just to perfection and it's like
Makayabe Diver coming in the Melbourne Cup and the field's
just partner and they're coming through the center master first
because you watch them on the weekend and Nathan Cleary
is just a class above at the moment. He's the
way he can control a game and see a game
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for a bloke who's you know what is he twenty
eight twenty nine now and he's just at that stage
of his career where he sees the game a set,
if not two sets.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Ahead of everyone else.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And I wouldn't say it was that Panthers at their
clinical best, but the way he orchestrated this win with
his kicking game.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, it was methodic.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It was just like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And they're coming up against a team this week that
is playing extremely brave.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
They never ever give up. But have they got the
class in the key positions to hold these blokes out?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Those the best of Warriors have played in about eight
weeks too, so they had a fair bit against them.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, I look at it like, yeah, Penrith and I've
talked them up because I think they can win it
the competition, and yeah, because they've won the four Premierships.
I do feel like maybe we're over hyping their form
at the moment watching that game, you know, if you
if you go back and watch their last sort of
they've been winning, but they haven't played that good yet,
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and I think we're all like anticipating them to go
to that next level when you've got Nathan and the
squad they've gotten, they've won so much, it's like we
expect them to go to this next level. But if
they don't, if they continue to play like this like
they did against them, even though Nathan was bringing a
kicking game outstanding in those conditions, the dogs are a chance.
The dogs who are genuine chance, you know, especially with
the changes they've made. I wouldn't write off the possibility
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of Bulldogs.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
In no way in the world because and the Dogs
are so brave, but these Blakes are so methodical, and
little moments in that game like Dylan Edwards tapping the
ball back in and Alam getting out of in goal
and all those little things, it's like, I agree totally,
that wasn't them at their best.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
They can get the sense they get.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Building for them. I reckon they've got a massive chip
on their shoulder, which you wouldn't think of a ten.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
That's just one of the last four comps.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know, they have all the all these negative headlines
about you know, leading up to the to the final series.
They always like a theme, you know. I think they
when they decided to wrest all those players, like, we're
gonna have to grind this out.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
What could they do that they possibly use everyone because
respect so much done all of them that many fans
you heard people have written them off, but people will
bag them because they're they're defending premiers.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Outside the Dogs fans though the Pans as going as
the popular team this week or not?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Can they almost do across the code?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And I think that Isaiah Yoh just alluded to the
fact that there's a Penrith flavor to the Bulldogs that
has to be a motivation for them as well.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Once I get it, Like I don't understand the Panthers hate,
but there is a lot the arrogant copy but that's
the label.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And I would have had a crack at him a
few years ago because I think they changed their ways
along the way where I think in the early stages
of that team's rise, there was definitely an arrogance about
the way they played, and a little bit despiteful with
some occasions, I have no doubt in the last year
or two the Panthers have taken a more, you know,
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different approach to the.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Way they Despite all of the outrage, Hudson Young has
taken for responsibility for his reckless actions on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Obviously confronted recent and just laughed at one of the
mistakes that they're just made. And I feel like that
happens every week. But yeah, I need to respect the
rest decision and the Bunker's decision obviously went against us,
and I respect that and got to hold myself in
accountability there that I need to be better in them
situations as well, and I will be in the future
and respect their decision.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Responsibility there cruels you respect, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Well, I respect the fact that he respects their decision,
But I don't respect their decision. I don't respect the
fact that we see players every single weekend across the game,
all games get up in players' faces, and Hudson gets
sin bin the same penalty as Reese. And not only that,
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the Raiders don't get the penalty. The referee actually changed
his mind and went from being a Raiders penalty to
a Broncos penalty, Like how does that work?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And then that he sturred him up Cruels, he's sturd him.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, yeah, but you know what when you're outing your
car right and you're driving along and the cop a
copper's pul you have and they say, mate, you're going
seventy in a sixty zone.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You don't have to have a crash to cop the penalty.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So so when Ronaldo Mulataoo goes out this weekend, when
he goes out this weekend, if he gets up in
someone's face, do one of the Raiders have to turn
around and head buddy for Ronaldo to be penalized or
do the rest taken upon themselves. That's because they've said
the president, that's consistencyiculous.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, there was I saw a penalty. Nicko Hines gave
a penalty against Teddy in the play and Teddy got
right up in his face and that look that would
be you know, Nicko should head But.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
You say that that's not the norm and the referee
got it wrong. No, because I don't want to see
why we can. I actually don't want to see the players.
I don't want to see players getting.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I don't either, But we don't make the rules. The
NR rule makes the rules.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And what annoyed me last night it was hearing that
Ashley got a pass mark.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That's a pretty big stove.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
There's no real saying that you should be penalis if
you celebrate the difference.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The difference is the difference here is right. It led
to the headbart right, whereas in the other circumstances with
Maltala doesn't lead to anything. It's just there's nothing, there's
no incident. So I'm not defending it because I think
it was the wrong decision, But I'm saying that there
is a difference. He's in his face, gets to a
point that he reacts. And I said last night, often
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when there is a situation that occurs, like a headbut
or throwing of punches, whoever instigates the malay is given ten.
It's been done in the past. I don't think you
did much to instigate it, you know, but it has
been done before. I'm not defending the.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Fact that the penalty then goes the other way, and
they've admitted that, but it did on the day, big court.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
It's a big call.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Res walshing.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Off he got off. Head butts were all. You can
do whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
As soon as it happened, consistent head you think should
a week.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think he definitely should have got a week. It's
a head butt. And for the NRL to come out
and like calling no ridiculous, he should have got a week.
They didn't leak anything. We went through all that upstairs
were putting making. Don't you think that's insane that look
at a head butt? You got to play the game.
(30:31):
What a head but is just a fine? Come on,
there you go. They're rubbing blokes out for multiple weeks
for accidentally falling on the back of the ankles and
calling him a heap dropped. It was a head butt.
Someone sticks his finger up at the crowd and good
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as Goal is right to blake.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
But you know what, they couldn't have suspended him because
you look two seconds gurgling n r L head But
the first thing that comes up is the irony. Morgan
Smith is head budting someone this this year and getting
a fifteen hundred dollars from good the suspense.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But Gordon, you said it last night. If that was
Nelson a sofa, some moner or or Hudson Young, do
you tell me what you reckon? You reckon? It would
have been a great one or a great two.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Keep saying, what if it was the other way around
and it was Reese that dove like Hudson did what
everyone would have been saying to Dive.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, that doesn't matter, what doesn't matter. But still if
he'd like it, it's that's not a little that's not
a little. Do that's a bang?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I thought I thought it would.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Can I demonstrate a head butt on you?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
For that myself, but you know what, I think that
even the finger to the crowd, the finger to the crowd, mate,
you know, and the hulor balloo.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
About that that's followed.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Can I say this be okay?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You think it is, Gordy?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Because again you've got to go back to the fact
that I know former players maybe you don't want to accept,
but your role models out there, mate, and I don't
want to be doing stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
They bloody are you can say until.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
You blok textbook? I'll ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Three thousand kids turn up to get his autograph because
he is their role.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
Model, so they should admire him for what he does
on the field.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
But he's not a role model because because your parents
are your role model, you know, we'll see them every day.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
You see them every man.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
You say that people for five or fifty year old man.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
People aren't role models because there's no textbook you know
what they are.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
No, they are, they know they're not, but they are
to children, mate.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
People like around you don't do that. Parents stand over
them and say you don't do that.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Parents are I've seen it multiple times.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Every time something happens at n our royal level, it
infiltrates down to the bottom level.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Holy hell, he can play, you know, when he's angry
like I don't want to evoked it. I evoked these
names with like respect. But Wally and Joey like they
were at their best when they played angry. The way
that he played angry when he came back on was well,
that was unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
From a FLA's ten minutes break, is that really that's
one of the most clinical ten minutes clear his ten minutes,
Joey's first twenty minutes in the two thousand and one
that's just good at twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Guess what he's playing in the pre leu.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
How good?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, that's that's good. I just I just don't think
you should headbull me off.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
But he's not always beautiful Herd.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I love the headbut I was going to say something,
shouldn't I figure out journays in this Sursday. Following a
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It's bring the journals in Poor Crawley and Andrew WebStar
breaking news tonight with reports from the Daily Telegraph and
Sidney Morning Herald of an alleged text exchange between Brandon
Smith and Victor Radley relating to alleged drug and gambling chargers. Journals.
(00:33):
What have you heard about this this afternoon?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh look, I was sort of surprises everybody when these
two stories broke about four o'clock this afternoon. Brace Brandon
Smith is due to appear in south Port Magistrates Court
on Thursday. I think both clubs probably more the roosters
than anyone was interested in the narel of course to
see what was said at that hearing, even though it's
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just a mention. But these two stories, just two beforehand,
have shifted the focus from Brandon Smith to Victor Radley
in many ways, and we have to make it very
clear brand Victor hasn't been charged, there's no alleged allegation
of wrongdoing, but those text messages, those alleged text messages
are pretty damning and it raises questions for both the
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NL and the Roosters about you know, what's going to
happen down the track.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, it's exactly what you just said. It's it's shifted
the focus because the Brandon Stiss Smith stuff's been out
for a while, Souse played.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Him the last game.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
South Sydney have decided, you know, they won't make any
statements at all about what's going on until the matter's cleared.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
From a Rooster's perspective.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
As you said, Victor Radley, no proof he's done anything
wrong though, claims that he's taken any drugs or bought
any drugs. But the text message exchange is what people
around the game are talking about. They're talking about the
fact that Nick polite Us has said previously he has
a zero tolerance and he will get rid of anyone
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at the club who has been found to be involved
in drugs.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Go well, it's strange at this time of year, but
the courts will do the thing. I think South Sydney,
like Wayne Bennett and Old Copper right for him to
let Brandon Smith play. I'm not saying it's a storm
in the cup, but I think that'll run its course.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Generally, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Let's have a look at the small sample of alleged
text messages between the exchange. This is from the Dali Telegraph.
Bradley GT up your cousin in Sunny Coast for me
little shortball, short eight ball if you will Smith, yep,
sweet Bro. I'll give you the contact when I get it.
Next one Smith, just call him. That's from Goldie number.
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He's got people in Sunny Coast, he said. To call
him and he will give you number. And at the
end of the exchange. Or good Bro, you sorted us?
Good man, yep, let me know. If you need anything,
I'll sort it for you.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, look, let's I've been around the books. That's a textbook,
you know, a drug dealing going.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Down allegedly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's you know, an eight ball is you know on
the street is about three and a half grams of coke,
So it's not like it's a tiny amount. But what
you know in terms of what the other text messages
say and where that leads for Victor Radley and the Roosters,
that's the big question.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
If alleged text has change is proven in court, what
could the fallout be for both Brendan and Victor.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Here you think from an NRL perspective, there's no proof
that anyone has taken drugs or had drugs. So the
question is does it bring the game into disrepute? Yes,
it does if it's proven. If anyone admits to anything.
From a Rooster's point of view, is the bigger issue
because it becomes the moral issue. And the moral issue
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was outlined by Nick Politis earlier in the year, and
that is the issue for the Roosters because there are
no police charges, there's no suggestion the police are goun to.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Charge cross take it over. These are the quotes here
from Nicky.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Nick said earlier in the year, I think it was
in the Sunday Telegraph. He came out and said, if
somebody's caught doing cocaine or leaning over or snorting something,
were going to get rid of him.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Our stance is zero tolerance. We are very strong on it.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Trent Robinson is very strong on it, like that's a statement,
that's a statement about being tough.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And as a consequence from the moment this story broke
and the moment the Roosters and Victor Radley were implicated
in this investigation involving Brandon Smith, nick Politis behind the scenes,
was furious, absolutely furious, mostly because of that statement there.
I can tell you this that Victor Radley, this comes
from several people within the club, was absolutely devastated when
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it happened. Was very emotional when talking to the club
about the allegations. So they're not I don't think they're
trying to swoop it under the carpet. I'm not suggesting no, no, no,
But but as I said, so Nick Nick politis at
the moment I've tried to contact him, he is actually
overseas on business. So it's about three him in the morning.
I dare say he won't be too pleased when he
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wakes up in a few.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Hours and by surprise or do you don't know this
was coming? I, as I said, I haven't spoken to Nick.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Others that I've spoken to the Roosters had some inkling
that it was coming. They just didn't know the what
was in the text messages I actually read a few
hours to the person I spoke to tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Has there been a response from either South or the
Roosters of you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
The Roosters have said to me they're not making any comment.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
At all, and South's is the same.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
They won't.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They won't make a comment until it's Yeah, it's completed.
But yeah, that's that's the issue from a game perspective.
If the cops don't push forward with anything against Victor,
well there's nothing doing.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Hasn't been accused of anything or charged for anything. Do
you think Nick pulls the trigger though, after his.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Comments, that's a big that's a big question. I got
to say he was very Yeah, he was certainly contemplating
it when this story broke involving Victor.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Radley a few weeks ago court court or a picture
in Nick Politis's statement, if anybody's court.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And so when when when when Nick said that he
was throwing a jab at the broncos over Is remembered
how they handled it and south with how they handled
Latrell Mitchell and and in many respects these comments that
come back to bud him.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But do you think so no one's made it, call it?
Do you think.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
At the moment you can't break because their allegations, their claims,
and as we sit here.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Today, Victor Radley is guilty of nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No one's been accused. I have to say that it's
all alleged. But it does go back to the golf
trip of the Rooster's players and there seven of them, right,
do you think that they will be dragging to this now?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, I think they already have. And that's the thing
that's infuriated the Roosters, that's infuriated blokes like Chad Townsend
and the captain too Tesco. And that's that's what Trent
Robinson was alluding to when he did that press conference
and he talked about people joining the dots. He wasn't
so much. And I was guilty of miss reporting this
as well as as it was explained to me. He
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was talking about joining the dots and implicating all those plays,
which I'm going to say is unfair. It is just
because there's seven of them there doesn't mean you know
that they partaking the drugs. You know.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The text change you think though, because Robot seem very
confident in the situation when he was quoted and commented
about it probably a month or so ago.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He just shifting the focus.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So like, seriously, like, how does these text messages not
change anything? Like if you're in charge of the club
and you've got a zero tolerance, you've got a zero tolerance,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Like the text messages.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
That it's not going to pass the pub test exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And the thing is it's put the focus right on
the most powerful bloke in the club, and that's the
Champer Nikolas.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You've seem to be close to the Rusters at the
moment with this. Do you think any but what I
mean by will the other players you brought in it?
Will they be questioned? Have they been questioned? Is there anything?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm not entirely sure. I'm assuming the Roosters would want
to get to the bottom if they haven't already about
what happened on that weekend. But I think I think
they're like the rest of us and the ANA in
this too. Andrew Abdo said something similar to both the clubs,
like they can't do anything until the core process runs
its race.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
You would imagine from a Rooster's perspective too, because of
because of their way that they treat drugs at their club.
If there are seven blokes up there on a golf trip,
and I don't know how much cocaine that is, that is,
you know, I don't know how much it is, how
many people it feeds?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Who knows?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But to every person in and talk to them and
there has to be an honesty.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
From the Roosters to the Bunnies, and you said it earlier, Wayne,
he has back Brandon Smith to the club and so
they supported him his coming. I just mentioned. Does the
test text messages change the Rooster's approach and what happens there?
Does the text text messages now change where Brandon stands
with Wayne and South.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think Wayne has been very clear publicly on what
he thinks of this and what they've known previously has
basically been said here that you know, to to the
man in the street, maybe not to the police because
this is seen as drug traffic or what is it
drug supply, but to the blake in the street, it's
like it's passing on a phone, is it not?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Is that how you see?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Because that's how that's exactly how you would interpret he's
helping out a mate.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, so that I don't think SOAUS will change
their stands in that respect. And you know, the other
allegation against Brandon is telling a mate that have a
go at mere for score and first try. But again
in that respect, there wasn't any team strategy to help
him get the first try.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
That's serious, that's a player back in himself.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
What what I keep hearing out of South is that
none of this is surprising because Brandon was upfront about
his history when he joined the club, and he was
upfront with him when they seized his phone a Gold
Coast airport. So they don't seem they seem to be
standing behind their guys.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And this was days after he'd left the Roosters and
he just joined sous.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Wherever you spoke to the NRL, Yeah, have they put
a statement out?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Andrew Abdo just replied to me. His statement was this,
as it is a live core matter, we will not
be making public comment or take any action until the
matter is concluded. We're monitoring the process. Once the matter
has been concluded, we will consider any potential breaches of
NRL rules.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
All Right, they're standing back at the moment, the NRL
with this, So who makes the move here? Do they
make a call or do they leave it to the clubs.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
They'll make the call, they think, with the matter of
this serious, they'll come over.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They won't just allow the clubs to take this and
make their decision.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
They'll come over the top.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It seems to be. I don't think there's any hard
and fast thru all the way they do it. But
I'd to be surprised if the NRL.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
On the front foot. I reckon the NRL will stay
out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Sure, Okay, it's a serious breach, it's a serious criminal matter.
The ani URL we'll have criminal matter. I don't think
it's the worst crime, but I don't think it's the
smartest move from Brandon.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I don't think the NL would just be more fines,
not so much ripping up of contracts stuff like that.
I don't think it's that serious.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I can't not only be speculating.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's bringing if anything is proven, what it is is
bringing the game into distribute, because that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
The game's very forgiving. The game's very forgiving. We've had
a lot of bad boys over the years, you know,
a lot of redemption stories.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Drug policy is very forgiven.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Exactly. But that's right though, Like I mean, you know,
whether there's a strike against you know, any of these
players that's you know, under the three strikes policy, I
don't think you can all.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Right, before we move on, there is absolutely no suggestion
that Radley actually obtained or took illegal drugs. Brendan Smith's
case will go to the court on this Thursday. Smith
will plead not guilty and once again Radley has not
been charged. Now, let's take a look at the big
inns and out's for the semi finals. Thanks to sports Bet,
(12:19):
Stewart names unchanged side from the Broncos loss, for the
Raiders to the Sharks, they name the seventeen from the
Roosters win the Bulldogs Galvin and Yes Sexton new Harves combination,
and for the Panthers, Kenny is named, but it is
on the extended bench. Now the big one the Bulldogs,
(12:39):
Sexton is back in the seven jersey to partner the
men who took it from him, Galvin. This is big, big,
big news today after all the speculation, How do we
see these drawls?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
What took you so long?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Seriously, you know we watched the game all the week.
Can we watch the game on the weekend. We sat
here for months and they've tried to convince everyone that
Lachlan Galvin will mean more to their attack than Toby
sext And Toby Sexton walks on the field. First touch
was it scores a try?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Second touch goes.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Through like he completely changed the way the dogs Now,
they were so courageous in that game. They were and
they had to overcome so much adversity with kick How's
early injury and him leaving the field. Stephen Crichton, Toola
goes down in the second half, mate, and they pushed
the storm all the way.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But Sexton was the bloke out there that took charge.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
He was the half back. He was the chief playmaker.
He not only straightened up their attack, he scored a try,
He made runs, He took over the kicking duties. When
the team was standing in a huddle after scoring, if
he looked at what was happening, it was Sext and
barking the orders, pointing the finger, telling everyone how we're
going to do it. It was like Locke Galvin was
out there on work experience with him like it seriously.
(13:55):
He took charge of the team. He showed us why
he should be the half.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Back in his you know what I love, I loved it,
unlocked Galvin. But it's the best Galvin's looked all year,
and Burton as well. You know you've got too similar
players reckond In, Gavin and Burton. As you said, you've
got an organizing half look at the.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Thing that people underestimate is that we talk about sex
in his kicking game and and and how they they
just look like they need a genuine seven in that
team because Galvin is not it. Now. Most likely, when
you've got a genuine seven, it's not so much about
what they do, it's how they compliment the men around them.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
It's the balance.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's getting kick our quality ball one on one with
a half. It's getting Burton, Sherry and Crichton early ball
or ball in a good moment when they've got time
and space, everyone's focusing on Gavin Galvin Galvin. It's actually like, Okay,
put a genuine seven in there and let everyone else
around them flourish. I actually I love this move. I
love that he's made the course around. Of course kind
(14:52):
of had to be maybe right now, but I think
I give them a genuine chance now, I really do.
I think they can beat Penrith.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
They got it, like they've got a that's going to
get to the sets, get to the points on the field.
Galvin's o'ranna, Burton's are runner, Tracy's a runner out the back,
and I think read Marney too. I would start him
right they get through the first twenty minutes, you know
what Penwrith they're going to do. They're going to try
to bully you, blow you, blow you off the par
come through your front door, and then Hayward can come
(15:19):
on and that too.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, but Read Marty's named on the bench, so i'd
be starting.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
You know what, you spoke about it last night.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Young Hayward good player of the future, but at this
stage of his career, no one will convince me that
he's a better dummy half than the other Blake. And
you mentioned last night thirteen miss tackles. You know you
can't have that, and you've got the other Blake there.
It's a sudden death, knockout elimination semifinal.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Surely you've got to put your best teams.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
More like a starter than a bench player. And Bailey
can play a number of positions and come on the
when the defense is tiring, and he can you know,
he can weave his magic because he's a good ball player,
late footwork, and he's got small speed than Marny. It's
a no brainer for me, and I think if they
do start read that there will be better off for
especially against Penrith and Further.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
To it is that in the extended benches, Blake called
Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Who will you know?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
We thought at the end of that game he's no
chance of playing again, but the fact he's been named
on that bench. So if Stephen Crichton, let's just say
a miracle happens, that's.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Mind games and who knows who? It feels like.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
It probably is because they've played so many mind games
with us this year.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
You wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
But let's just say, hypothetically Crichton was to make a miracle,
come back and play what is your heart's combination?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's a great question. That's my halve'st combination. You'd stick
with Galvan And all I know is that I'd have
sex and a seven and whenever you get Burton had
six and Gavernors as a fourteen. That's what I do
one hundred percent a question.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So fourteen then is not Bailey haywooded because if you're
starting to reading.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That's a good question, you know what I mean? Like
problem about that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Just as one man out what I learnt out, but
even to.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Be a problem all year, because it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
A problem point all these changes right then we talk
about it. But you know what, people weren't talking about
what the ratings are long when we talk about it,
because they are interested in it because it's fascinating. But
Rudi's had this big thing about the long term plan
and he's played it hard, right, but while they're planning
for the long term, have they taken their eyes off
(17:26):
the short term and possibly cost themselves a premiership. He's
been big on that. But and I was talking around Eyntore,
who's an ex We won the Comp together in four
and you know, we actually look back at it, we
go we only had a cup like one to two,
even in a team that we had chances of winning
a premiership. And you look at even the Dragons in
twenty ten Souse when they won the Comp twenty fourteen
(17:49):
was it. I never knew, Gordy. The window for premierships
are so small and when you get that window, they're
coming first. You know, like I just it's it's a
and it's not a surprise of me. This story so big.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, and Penrith, I don't know how they've jammed that
window open, but they jammed it open for like four years.
But it's going to be a small window where they were.
I'm just looking at where they were halfway through the year.
It wasn't broke, and then when they put it in
they might have got it right, but they haven't. So
I think it's the smartest movement for the Dogs, fans
and the Dogs moving forward for this game.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
In this season in particular, Like we've all spoken about
the fact that it's probably the closest competition that we
can recall and there is no genuine standout team and
they're one of the six that are still fighting for
the premiership.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
So why worry about next year? Worry about now this year?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
In next ye it's it's.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But you know what we haven't really spoken about too,
is that there's an umber of teams that are stumbling
a little bit, so the floodgates are opening, and if
they are stuck to their guns, who knows how they'd
be sitting right now. They could be one out, one
back instead. They're one of.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Those teams the best coaches in the history of the
game of all has been able to put there. They've
all had big egos, but they've all been able to
put it to the side for the better men of
the team. And if Cameron Serroudo and Gus can do
that for if that's if this looks like it's the
best way forward this season, then they've got to.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Stick with that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You mentioned Gus. Have we heard anything about what role
he's playing there at the moment? Is he letting it all?
Is he letting the coach ages take control?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
He's got a bit of history there doing some gold.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Honestly, wats his role because you talk to people at
Penrith right, You talk to people at Penrith and lately
I did and it was fascinating to hear their take right,
and you hear all the stories and you've written a
book on it with with Ivan.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Ivan knew he's in trouble when Gus was sitting just
sitting there, just sitting there in the stands and watching
for the whole session. That's always an ominous sign. So
I don't know what I'm not don't have enough of
a Canterbury to know the relationship between the two. I
do know that when I'm spoken to Cameron Surroundo even
this year about Gussie says he's been a massive support
for him.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
So did even tell the story about James Segiaro and
Happy Corros?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
How but did he tell you the story?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You tell me, We didn't. We didn't talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So when it went when going back when probably around
twenty sixteen sort of time Appy was there, I think
the story goes, I haven't had a massive rap on
Appy and they you know, James Seguiaro is a very
good player, but Happy corros Hour was a step ahead
of him, and I think Ivan was of the belief
that Appy would be staying and Segiara would be going
(20:40):
until he heard a news report telling him that APPI
was actually on his way to Manly and Segiara was staying,
you know, like so that was the situation back then, and.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So that was the beginning of the end.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We look at it now and you wonder with the
you know, a couple of the curious decisions this year,
people naturally go back to, is Gus to it again?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Is he is he playing these mind games?
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Was big?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He came out hard and fast and said, no, this
is all my decision.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I own this. He did.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
He came out and we looked at it, we spoke
about it, we showed it. So you know, you'd like
to think it is but you know, as if Guss
isn't having some sort of input in.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The case every single part where he's been general manager
of football seven more years. I know it's a long contract.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
See if the relationship, but Lessen, you.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Cannot deny what he's built there and what's it's like
one of the one of the most the modern day
rugby league.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And like everywhere he goes, there's what he does the pathways,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And that's what he's done with and that's what he's
done with Canary But it's different with Canterbury to Penrith
because Penrith, you know why they had that big window
that you talked about, because they had nine thousand juniors
and Gus got that pipeline going. Canterby don't have those juniors.
But he's been able to recruit all over the place
and he's he's one of the smartest blokes in the
game and he's got some financial backers in the lawndies
and a big league player. It's very formidable what they've
(22:08):
done there in a short space of time.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Often with Gus their success, but there's also drama. Yeah,
is not riding off the dogs as the panther skipper
repairs to take on a number of his former teammates that.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
They're on their own journey.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
But it's obviously a certain certainly bit of a Penrith
flavor to it. But they've got different individuals, different strengths
in their team, and then they play to those. So
they just feel like we match up well against one another.
We both sort of play a similar style. We like
ball and play. We like grinding, trusting your defense, and
I think it makes me an exciting somebody final in
front of it. I'm assuming just about to pack that crowd.
Of the course, he's there.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
A rivalry between these two teams. Do the Bulldogs take
the Panthers players where.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They took some took the coach, you know, took kick
out burden little but you know, Penrith will never admit
this publicly, but they kept receipts. They kept receipts on it.
You know, they were very they're very cagy when you
ask them about it publicly, but privately that's you know,
I think it's noted by some people there, particularly those
(23:10):
have been there for a long time.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Gives us a bit more in this game.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Spice, aren't cross and well Penrith of the Kings too,
aren't They like their they're good haters.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
It's almost like Penrith of time.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
They're run this year just to perfection and it's like
Makayabe Diver coming in the Melbourne Cup and the field's
just partner and they're coming through the center master first
because you watch them on the weekend and Nathan Cleary
is just a class above at the moment. He's the
way he can control a game and see a game
(23:44):
for a bloke who's you know what is he twenty
eight twenty nine now and he's just at that stage
of his career where he sees the game a set,
if not two sets.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Ahead of everyone else.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And I wouldn't say it was that Panthers at their
clinical best, but the way he orchestrated this win with
his kicking game.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, it was methodic.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It was just like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And they're coming up against a team this week that
is playing extremely brave.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
They never ever give up. But have they got the
class in the key positions to hold these blokes out?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Those the best of Warriors have played in about eight
weeks too, so they had a fair bit against them.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, I look at it like, yeah, Penrith and I've
talked them up because I think they can win it
the competition, and yeah, because they've won the four Premierships.
I do feel like maybe we're over hyping their form
at the moment watching that game, you know, if you
if you go back and watch their last sort of
they've been winning, but they haven't played that good yet,
(24:43):
and I think we're all like anticipating them to go
to that next level when you've got Nathan and the
squad they've gotten, they've won so much, it's like we
expect them to go to this next level. But if
they don't, if they continue to play like this like
they did against them, even though Nathan was bringing a
kicking game outstanding in those conditions, the dogs are a chance.
The dogs who are genuine chance, you know, especially with
the changes they've made. I wouldn't write off the possibility
(25:06):
of Bulldogs.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
In no way in the world because and the Dogs
are so brave, but these Blakes are so methodical, and
little moments in that game like Dylan Edwards tapping the
ball back in and Alam getting out of in goal
and all those little things, it's like, I agree totally,
that wasn't them at their best.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
They can get the sense they get.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Building for them. I reckon they've got a massive chip
on their shoulder, which you wouldn't think of a ten.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
That's just one of the last four comps.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know, they have all the all these negative headlines
about you know, leading up to the to the final series.
They always like a theme, you know. I think they
when they decided to wrest all those players, like, we're
gonna have to grind this out.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
What could they do that they possibly use everyone because
respect so much done all of them that many fans
you heard people have written them off, but people will
bag them because they're they're defending premiers.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Outside the Dogs fans though the Pans as going as
the popular team this week or not?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Can they almost do across the code?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And I think that Isaiah Yoh just alluded to the
fact that there's a Penrith flavor to the Bulldogs that
has to be a motivation for them as well.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Once I get it, Like I don't understand the Panthers hate,
but there is a lot the arrogant copy but that's
the label.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And I would have had a crack at him a
few years ago because I think they changed their ways
along the way where I think in the early stages
of that team's rise, there was definitely an arrogance about
the way they played, and a little bit despiteful with
some occasions, I have no doubt in the last year
or two the Panthers have taken a more, you know,
(26:45):
different approach to the.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Way they Despite all of the outrage, Hudson Young has
taken for responsibility for his reckless actions on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Obviously confronted recent and just laughed at one of the
mistakes that they're just made. And I feel like that
happens every week. But yeah, I need to respect the
rest decision and the Bunker's decision obviously went against us,
and I respect that and got to hold myself in
accountability there that I need to be better in them
situations as well, and I will be in the future
and respect their decision.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Responsibility there cruels you respect, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Well, I respect the fact that he respects their decision,
But I don't respect their decision. I don't respect the
fact that we see players every single weekend across the game,
all games get up in players' faces, and Hudson gets
sin bin the same penalty as Reese. And not only that,
(27:41):
the Raiders don't get the penalty. The referee actually changed
his mind and went from being a Raiders penalty to
a Broncos penalty, Like how does that work?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And then that he sturred him up Cruels, he's sturd him.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, yeah, but you know what when you're outing your
car right and you're driving along and the cop a
copper's pul you have and they say, mate, you're going
seventy in a sixty zone.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You don't have to have a crash to cop the penalty.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So so when Ronaldo Mulataoo goes out this weekend, when
he goes out this weekend, if he gets up in
someone's face, do one of the Raiders have to turn
around and head buddy for Ronaldo to be penalized or
do the rest taken upon themselves. That's because they've said
the president, that's consistencyiculous.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, there was I saw a penalty. Nicko Hines gave
a penalty against Teddy in the play and Teddy got
right up in his face and that look that would
be you know, Nicko should head But.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
You say that that's not the norm and the referee
got it wrong. No, because I don't want to see
why we can. I actually don't want to see the players.
I don't want to see players getting.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I don't either, But we don't make the rules. The
NR rule makes the rules.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And what annoyed me last night it was hearing that
Ashley got a pass mark.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That's a pretty big stove.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
There's no real saying that you should be penalis if
you celebrate the difference.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The difference is the difference here is right. It led
to the headbart right, whereas in the other circumstances with
Maltala doesn't lead to anything. It's just there's nothing, there's
no incident. So I'm not defending it because I think
it was the wrong decision, But I'm saying that there
is a difference. He's in his face, gets to a
point that he reacts. And I said last night, often
(29:31):
when there is a situation that occurs, like a headbut
or throwing of punches, whoever instigates the malay is given ten.
It's been done in the past. I don't think you
did much to instigate it, you know, but it has
been done before. I'm not defending the.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Fact that the penalty then goes the other way, and
they've admitted that, but it did on the day, big court.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
It's a big call.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Res walshing.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Off he got off. Head butts were all. You can
do whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
As soon as it happened, consistent head you think should
a week.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think he definitely should have got a week. It's
a head butt. And for the NRL to come out
and like calling no ridiculous, he should have got a week.
They didn't leak anything. We went through all that upstairs
were putting making. Don't you think that's insane that look
at a head butt? You got to play the game.
(30:31):
What a head but is just a fine? Come on,
there you go. They're rubbing blokes out for multiple weeks
for accidentally falling on the back of the ankles and
calling him a heap dropped. It was a head butt.
Someone sticks his finger up at the crowd and good
(30:51):
as Goal is right to blake.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
But you know what, they couldn't have suspended him because
you look two seconds gurgling n r L head But
the first thing that comes up is the irony. Morgan
Smith is head budting someone this this year and getting
a fifteen hundred dollars from good the suspense.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But Gordon, you said it last night. If that was
Nelson a sofa, some moner or or Hudson Young, do
you tell me what you reckon? You reckon? It would
have been a great one or a great two.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Keep saying, what if it was the other way around
and it was Reese that dove like Hudson did what
everyone would have been saying to Dive.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, that doesn't matter, what doesn't matter. But still if
he'd like it, it's that's not a little that's not
a little. Do that's a bang?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I thought I thought it would.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Can I demonstrate a head butt on you?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
For that myself, but you know what, I think that
even the finger to the crowd, the finger to the crowd, mate,
you know, and the hulor balloo.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
About that that's followed.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Can I say this be okay?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You think it is, Gordy?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Because again you've got to go back to the fact
that I know former players maybe you don't want to accept,
but your role models out there, mate, and I don't
want to be doing stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
They bloody are you can say until.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
You blok textbook? I'll ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Three thousand kids turn up to get his autograph because
he is their role.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
Model, so they should admire him for what he does
on the field.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
But he's not a role model because because your parents
are your role model, you know, we'll see them every day.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
You see them every man.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
You say that people for five or fifty year old man.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
People aren't role models because there's no textbook you know
what they are.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
No, they are, they know they're not, but they are
to children, mate.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
People like around you don't do that. Parents stand over
them and say you don't do that.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Parents are I've seen it multiple times.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Every time something happens at n our royal level, it
infiltrates down to the bottom level.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Holy hell, he can play, you know, when he's angry
like I don't want to evoked it. I evoked these
names with like respect. But Wally and Joey like they
were at their best when they played angry. The way
that he played angry when he came back on was well,
that was unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
From a FLA's ten minutes break, is that really that's
one of the most clinical ten minutes clear his ten minutes,
Joey's first twenty minutes in the two thousand and one
that's just good at twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Guess what he's playing in the pre leu.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
How good?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, that's that's good. I just I just don't think
you should headbull me off.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
But he's not always beautiful Herd.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I love the headbut I was going to say something,
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