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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to NRL three sixty rugby League from every angle
joining me again, the Great Green Tallis has bring the
journals in Paul Crawley and Dean Richie special.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Mention tonight bulldog.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What's that for?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Beautiful shirt of you or you like it? Yeah? Brings
out your eyes aqua aqua.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It might have a couple of lengths on your brown.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, thank you very much. Yeah, all right. Jack Whiton
has arrived at Emerald HQ as he fronts.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The judiciary to fight a potential for match band for
a short of charge on Toby Rudolph. James Hooper is
covering proceedings and hoops.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's the latest, evening, brath Well.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
The Bunnies are absolutely adamant that Jack Whiton did not
shoulder charge the Kronella Sharks prop forward Toby Rudolph. Now,
so far the NRL prosecutor has said this case is
going to come downunder two critical factors. Was the contact
forceful and also was it careless? Now they are also
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mounting an extremely strong case that Jack did in fact
have his right arm tucked into his body, which would
constitute a Schilder Chouge South Sydney suit. Completely the opposite.
They are adamant that it was merely accidental contact. They
conceived that there was a fair degree of force involved.
Jack had planted his feet but then also managed to
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get leading with his outside shoulder which led to his
head then coming into contact with Toby Rudolph. Now there's
still a lot to play out for the Bunnies. This
is critical because Jack Whiten has been named their captain
this weekend. We know they're fighting to avoid the wooden spoon.
They have been decimated by injuries Latrell Mitchell, Cameron Murray,
Codie Walker, Campbell Graham, Keon Khlam a Tungey to name
(01:49):
a few. So we'll keep you updated over the course
of the evening. The men who will make the decision
ultimately will be ex referee Greg McCallum and also the
Champion Coinsland State of Origin forward Bob Linda. Will keep
you updated over the course of the night.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Breath only Who's would try and check in a little
later on. Now, Jack Whiton does he have a chance.
He's obviously fighting, he's scoredy what do you think he'd.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Have a slight change because it was a head clash.
I don't think that the shoulder charge was that bad,
so I do give him a slight chance of breath.
I thought the grading was wrong, but they don't normally
change their decisions.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Cross.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
I didn't think it was a shoulder charge, and the
moment I saw it, I thought immediately, and even the
commentators in the game, Kevin Waldas was there and forget
who the other person was, but they both thought it
was a head clash. So after the game I went
back and watched it multiple times, and I thought, when
you slow this tackle down, you will see that Rudolph
steps from his left to his right, and I reckon
that wrongfoot's Jack, And I reckon Jack was going in.
(02:48):
Sure you was going in and put a big shot,
but I reckon at that last moment, that's what tricked him,
and it was a head clash. I don't think it
was a shoulder charge. I think it was just a
good hit. Jack Whiton was trying to produce him inspire,
so that.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Just went wrong.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
He's saying it's head on head, and it clearly was
because you can see KB Rudolph here looks like he's
unconscious there. But the only reason it was head on
head because Jack was that close trying to produce a
shoulder charge. So I think the shoulder charge charge will
stand tonight, and I think it's a real challenge for.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Jack to get off.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
I saw it as a rugby league collision because of
the step Like you tell me if someone wrong puts
you like that, Like, he wasn't setting up for a
shoulder charge.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Now the only thing that goes against him is they
revert back to the onus is on the defender for
the safety of the attacker, you know, and it's up
to Jack to not go in so hard and careless,
because then the result may have not been this way.
Like like I'm watching it like you were and thinking, well,
that's an accident.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
There was no intent to take his head off or
to make contact with his head, and it was kind
of unavoidable. But then the argument from the ennerrol again
is well it's avoidable if he doesn't go in his
hard and is careless.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Is that but is that a a dangerous tackle of
another form or is it a shoulder charge, Because again,
if you go back to the charge of being a
shoulder change, I don't think it is saying it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Was the shoulder charge that led to the head collision,
so that's why they've got it as a shoulder charge.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Do you think you wrap his arms in?
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Because I honestly thought he got wrong footed, then he
was probably planning to hit Rudolph so on Rudolph's yeah right,
and he got his timing was out. Jack's got a
duty of care too, just because charge on the charge
of a dangerous tackle is different to a shoulder chain.
It is, but if a bloke puts a late step
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on you with some footwork, it's the duty of care
of the defender to alter his defensive style as well.
You can't just say you put a late step on me, sorry,
I've clugged in the melon. Doesn't work that way. So
you brote this story.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Belinda Sharp dropped after a fifteen to three penalty count
and six again count in sous loss.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
What's the mail?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
He yeah, Belinda's been demoted this week.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Braith was fifteen three, took Ronulla in six agains as
you said, and penalty count, but I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
That was the specific reason.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
There were times when perhaps the game got a little
too fast for perhaps she's little bit confused at times,
particularly around one tackle count. She won't be in the
bunk of this week either they've decided that she will
be asked and go onto the sideline as a touch judge.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So unfortunate for Belinda.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
But look, I think maybe in the last couple of
weeks her form has been modest at best, and with
the owner all going into the finals, we really start
to find out who are the elite referees because we
got finals just around the corner. Yeah, she was clearly,
clearly off the pace in that game, and it was highlighted,
like you mentioned with the tackle count where she just
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got it wrong. I thought it was a one sided
game when you watched it and you're watching the two
sides playing, and I know we spoke about this during Origin,
but a ten two penalty count and what was it?
Was it a one six again restart? It was just
it was that.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
They're consistent because Blinda, you know, she is trying it.
But just of course if any other referee struggles like that,
they get the same gear.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's a professional game.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
It's a professional game.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I totally agree, because the Titans thought they were probably
a little bit hard done by the week before it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like as well, watching the game, I thought the Bunnies
were hard done by with the officiating, and this was
one instance that you thought they got it wrong.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
You tell me, you tell me when you're looking at this.
Does he bubble that or not? It's and is there
a hand from south? So on it?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It was a contentious one.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I remember watching this and the only thing that swayed
me a little bit was.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That they awarded a try.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I'm looking, am I convinced one hundred to knock one?
Does his arm come off the ball completely?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was a bit. I wasn't sure that was my take.
I don't know what did you think?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
At a fair crack at it? Breath? This wasn't Blinda sharp.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
She awarded the try but the bunker obviously made the
final ruling there.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Look, there is separation there.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
The bunker ruled it. But does that not look like
a not.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You let me finish.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I'll say, I think there is separation there. But under
the current rules, does he lose total control? Is there
some part of his body on the ball? Both ways?
It both ways?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Is the rule?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
You don't need control, you only need downward pressure.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
Seration is what they said.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Correct separation, But it looked like that he's probably regained
it a little bit.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think they argue both ways with some con If
you had bloody the.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
NRL, that's a fifty to fifty. If you're a South
ven you say. If you're a Sharks fan, you say
to try.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
The NRL said that he remained in control of the
ball and there was no separation.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Yeah, come on, for all time. There's no question he bobbed.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
There is a bobble in there, but we could argue
or not.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jerome Hughes has turned his back on millions from incoming
expansion teams, doing a four year extension at the Storm.
The Superstar half says it was never about the money.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
Super excited and yes, grateful to have the opportunity to
stay here for a couple more years and here to
finally get it done. It's you know, I guess it's
been in the works for a little while.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Now.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Now that I've resigned, I'll definitely be in the ears
of those blokes to resign. I think Harry's off soon,
and I think Perhaps is off soon as well. Monks
has got a couple more years, but there's always going
to be rumors about that sort of stuff, and you know,
I hope, I hope that's not the case. I'm you know, personally,
I think it's all rumors, but you don't worry. I'll
get into his end and make sure he doesn't go
anywhere for Jonah. And you know the type of player
he is, he could you know, walk into you know,
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mostly narrow clubs and be the starting half back there.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So like you said, there might be a clause.
Speaker 9 (08:43):
In his contract to go elsewhere and a tough one
for Jonah. And I'm sure you know himself as family
and his management will sort something out.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
A huge announcement and a great signing for the Melbourne Storm.
Jerome Hugh's inking.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Another deal with the club, which you know he he's
been exceptional for them for a long time and he's
probably been at his best the last few years. So
no surprise that the Melbourne Storm have kept him well.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
And it's true to what they do, don't they.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
They sort of rely on their spine, you know, and
they pay them a lot of money and then they
sort of get the rest of the guys off the
scrap heap without disrespect. And Jerome's the first piece of
the puzzle, and Harry and Munster and perhaps would be
the next ones that you think that they'd want to.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Keep great kicking game, but his running game?
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Is it a better running half back in then a
rule you could probably argue no, if.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You really broke it down.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Look, I think it's a great achievement for Jerome Hughes.
But what about Craig Bellamy's contribution here. He's taken another
fullback as he did with Cooper Kronk and turned him
into the best half back in rugby.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
How many players you reckon? He's made millionaires? Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Dozens?
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Yeah, well, I agree.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
I agree with what Dog says from Bellamy. Like one
game at the Titans, one game at the Cowboys, he
goes to Melbourne, there was what three or four blakes
lining up for the fullback position at that point of
his career. He turns him into a halfback. The patience
that they've they've shown along the way, and it's just
great coaching. It's a great system. And look they've done
(10:09):
it with Cameron Munster. They do it with every bloke
that comes there and they make him into these multimillion
dollar players.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
But it's the system that does it for them.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
That's not about money, well everyone, because general it is
about money. Well, and you know what good luck to
them are getting the money, but it's not about somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Would be very handsomely paid him. I'm not being critical.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
I just wonder why every unerall player feels it his
obligation to say I'm not going or staying for the money.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It is about the money, and good.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Luck to them.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Okay, it's about the money because of the money. It's
because of your talent. What about Jerome? He spoke about
Peasant so that there may be a clause to get
out here.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So Jonah he signed a long term deal with Melbourne,
which the club put it on the faith and us
in him, and Jona has done the same. Because Joan
is ready, he's ready for first grade. And we put
a clause in there that if Jerome resigned, because we
weren't sure if Jerome was going to stay on or
night at that point, because there's a lot of rumors
about him going to either Perth or Gold Coast at
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one point and all that, and because I think and
we think that Janah is ready to be a full
time first grade seven, I put a clause in that
if Jerome re signs, he's off contract. So we're going
to catch up with Melbourne over the next a week
or so and discuss that. I know that Melbourne love him,
and I'm not so sure they want to let him go.
So it's just whether we can work that out so
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that he can stay or even a possibility of alone
next year for the year and then come back like
Harry did with West Tigers. So there's a bit to
play out there, but that's how it sits right now.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
It's interesting time though, for his career, isn't it Like
he's twenty two years of age. For at least three
years people have been describing him as the next big
thing and he just hasn't had an opportunity, through injury
or the players in front.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Of him to get that chance or not.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I kind of you look at a guy like Ethan
Strange when he was when he was in the Roosters
system and no one really knew about him. He took
a chance, he took a gamble, he went to Canberra.
I have no doubt if Ethan Strange were still at
the Roosters, he'd probably be struggling to play.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's a good point you make, because there is you know,
there's only so long he can wait and be patient.
You don't want that time to go past too where you're.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
In not playing against the best every week. You know,
you want to be tested.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And he has been really patient cruels, you know, but
it's time, you know, it's time for in a first
grade team, So you know, I want to give him
that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Monster.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I was going to ask you a Munster.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I know it's difficult for you to talk about because
he's art manager, but it all into twines down there,
because Peasant's move could depend on whether Monster goes or
how it all comes together.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
As a jigsaw puzzle.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
There is a bit of a puzzle to play out.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But just on that, I mean, there's been no contact
with the Bears and we haven't spoke to Melbourne about
them letting him go either. You know, obviously I would
think the Bears would be interested because take the management
had off, and even just as a league supporter, I
think they'd be interested in most clubs, you know, like
he he'd be perfect for them to a franchise around.
(13:13):
But again that's really nothing until we have a conversation,
if we have a conversation with Melbourne, because Melbourne might
not be interested in even having that, and we might
not even talk to them about it, so it's all
speculation right now. But obviously it's going to be a
talking point because you know the Bears are in. They
need players, and came to be a fair player to
start the club with. Wouldn't he know he's there twenty
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seven now he's got too more Ears, So that's the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's really a non event right now. But who knows
down the train.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
As Jerome said, it's not about the money, but it
is about the money because every team has a salary cap,
and when Cameron's next up, it becomes about the money
because he has to look after himself and do what's
in his best interest. The Bears would be a logical choice,
like what's Cameron thirty now? Two years time he's thirty two,
he's had an opportunity to win a couple more console
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or put himself in that position. But ultimately the Bears
do need a big, a big player like him to
go over there and be.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
The head of of course they're going to have interesting
he'd have.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
To get a year early release though CRUs of the
Bears twenty seven and the Bears are in in twenty seven,
so he'd met the Melbourne stim that first year the Bears.
I spoke to people in and around Melbourne today and
they were saying, there's absolutely no appetite whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
To let him go.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Well you would, I mean, he's Cameron Munster. Why would
you let him go early?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Unless, of course you know as we know Broth will
you know as being a manager. Circumstances changed very quickly
in ruguar League.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
All right now reports Ryan Papanhaw hasn't met with Rugby
Lee three to sixty.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
They've stolen our name their bosses. What do we make
of this?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
This is starting to pick up a bit of momentum.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
This what is it?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
The course yesterday I ran a few managers. There's a
lot of skep. This isn't out there as to whether
it will actually come off. But the more the time
goes on you start to feel that the tentacles are
getting into rugby league. I don't think it'll be a
mass exodus out of the game. The one advantage I
understand is that they are offering US dollars and it
could be well over a million dollars, so that becomes
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two million dollars a century with the dollar exchange.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Do you think they'd get the fringe players, wouldn't you
They wouldn't go after the big guys.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
If it is what it is, Yes, sixtens won't be
a problem.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
A problem, so you would go after the better players,
and like from a rugby league perspective, it's probably it's
not the biggest problem in the world because there's so
much talent out there. However, the names that have been
mentioned so far Uponga Pappenhouse and they target. Their target
is the superstars, which would be the concern for the game.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
It's not the first time with Gwendel and Lottie, Matt Rogers, Sonnybille,
William sam Burgess. We've lost through Israel, Philoo and Carmichael
Hunt to why a fellow games lost some really big
name but we've just right now it's the highest.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Raving we disrespect to Ryan paper Howson or even Kalen.
If one of them were to go, our game wouldn't suffer.
It'd only be if it was a handful or quite
a ten fifteen players, yeah, anything over five, but if
it's only one or two here or there, I don't
think it would. I'm the question I want to ask
(16:23):
if I was the r I would try and do this,
and I'm not sure if they're allowed, but if they went,
any player that went, could you say if you leave,
you can't come back?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Or is that I think legally you could say you
cannot come back to our game. That would be up
to the clubs or be at the eneral would have
to register the contract. I don't think you would be
able to lawfully say you cannot play in our game
because you've gone to a rival code.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
They could if they break a contract correct like that?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That would they go after their contract?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
They would be legal if.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
They went in the contract, you couldn't stop them coming
back both. You're right though, like Sunny Bills never going
to play.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
We lost Shawali, has the game suffered? Has the rooster?
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Some year they've lost a good player, But Robert Toyer
comes along, you know, Marky Mark comes along like jump
out of the ground. Every year that's game for years,
break there and you know what, we're always replaced because
it's got the best systems theft pathways in international football.
And from this R three sixty point of view too
that their main targets are going to be the European
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rugby players, aren't they from England.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
The people over there that what do you want?
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Right, So they're the fans that you want. Who are
you going to play for?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's really hard when you watch them to fall in
love with their side that you're not going to know
too much about.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
Have a couple of novels. He players. Yeah, but that's
what that's what it's even.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Like they live goals like that, they've they've done what
they've done over there, and it just doesn't compare to
the PGA.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
To it like they've made their millions in.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Good luck to them and say with perhaps and those
guys if they want to go, but it's it's what
legacy you want to leave too? Like you look at them,
all the majors, and it's the PGA too.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They live, guys of a lot of them are falling.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Off a cliff, you know, and they've got their money
and they set up for life.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But what legacy do you want to leave? Why do
you play the game? You know what?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, a lot of players don't just you know, I
know the money is important, but they play for grand finals.
They play it for achieving success and leaving a legacy
in whatever sport they play.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's just whatever you.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
You've been brutally honest too, like you push, what is
at the end of next year that this competition is
September potentially starting. But then Melbourne's got a guy like
so far ago who he's ready to go and how
much longer can you hold him back? And also, rugby
league salary cap will more than likely increase with the
next TV deal.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
It could go twelve to fifteen million. So the money
is in rugby league.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
So if the Saundis want to come in, sure they
let more money than what we do. But if they're
offering one point five, he'll get that to you.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Just get that with the jury cap with a new broadcast.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I don't do it for money, mate, Okay, you.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Would have brought some new clothes shirt, I'll have you know.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
This is Pierre Cardin for the lower I think it
says low Ben Hunt isn't.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Ben Hunt isn't concerned after the weekends lost, but a
midst the Broncos still.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Have a lot of work, have a lot of work
to do.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
I think we're in a pretty good position really, I
know where everyone wants to get into the top four.
But you know, we're still working out a few things
about ourselves. I've only been back for two weeks. We've
only had one week really with our full side together.
And the thing is with recent he's just an ultimate competitor.
When things are going right for a team, he feels like, yes,
a step up and they just staying in his role.
And yes he's overplays his hand now and then, but
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that's it's come from a good place. I wanted to
win and do what's right for the team. I think
he'll be a right the big follow. You know, he's
trained with us this week so far and I think
he's got a bit of a bump on his leg
and you'll be wrong r Rees Walsh.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I love the way that he plays. He's got so
much X factor and he's a star game. But you
know Ben Hunt mentioned there that he.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Kind of overplayed his hand a little bit the other night.
How do you go? I see this.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
He did a couple of vaccasions. But that's the way
he's played. Obviously, with the more experience he he gets,
he just wants to score for every play right, and
you've got to love that. You don't want to coach
it out of him, but he's just got to pick
his time and place and watching him in the last
couple of weeks. I watched the Broncos closely, and if
he didn't play some of those games, they wouldn't have won.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
He turned their season around when he returned from injury,
no question in the world. But then last weekend that
performance and all the great players always say you've got
to limit the difference between your best and your worst.
And with rece it's not even from game to game,
it's from moment to moment. Yes, and he's at that
stage now where he's twenty three years of age. I
think he's played close to ninety NRL games already, and
(20:39):
he owes it to the team to try and pull
back on moments where some of those bullet passes or
different things like I agree totally with what you say,
because his magic is what brought them to life this year.
But Gordy, if there to be a hope of winning
the comp this year or next year, Reese does have
(21:01):
to grow up a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But Crawls.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
He's an entertainer. I said today, he's like a David Warner.
He lit one hundred sixty odd balls, but he might
nick the next one. That's just what you're going to
get you can't lord him one.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Beak for being spectacular, the great, the great.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
When he's at that age now where it's probably time
for him to try and get some of those mistakes
out of his.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Gym with Bright it's a natural progression. Like Billy slated.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
He there is in his game, and he kind of
threw the pass a little bit too often when he
shouldn't have and played low percentage footy and then all
of a sudden he just put it all together over time,
matured into one of the greatest fullbacks to see.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It happens like it's part even in halves. Look at Galvin.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know he's biggest We said last night was overplaying
his hand. He goes out on the weekend. You can
tell he pulled it back a lot. And you know,
you still want to see all these brands, but you know,
and you don't take it away from him. But it's
up to him and just you know, his maturity, his
progression to change.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Now, if Madge sucks the spirit of that kid by
saying all back, I think it could ruin his career.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
I don't think it's necessarily Again, it's maturing dog.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
It's like and I think I think it's twenty three.
It's time that he can well.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Mag has had something to say about the way in
which they play. We have shown we are tough enough.
We've beaten the Bulldogs twice. We were trying to go
around Para and passing to go around them rather than
playing through them.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You can't play too cute in the NFL. You have
to earn the right.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
No, they're all that's one hundred percent. You've always got
to earn the right in rugby league. The Dogs aren't
the top of the tree. I think they're real challenges
against Melbourne in the next couple of weeks because that's
probably going to be the benchmark. You'd say Melbourne and Penrith,
so it's how they go against those guys. But they're
lacking in the fourth I said that earlier, and Pain
has is injured at the moment, so without Pain going
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through the middle, they're probably one real big guy short
in the middle. That's probably why they can't get That.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Was a critical loss on the weekend too, because when
you put it in perspective, it put some four points
still behind the Warriors, doesn't it. So you're running out
of rounds to pick up those points. Now the Panthers
have dropped jumped ahead of them. That could be season
defining in the fact that that ends in their top
four hopes.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It wasn't just that one game.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
I think you could probably go back to the start
of the season where they might have lost there.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
They won five in a row. I don't think we
shoul jump all over them right now.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Losing wont to go to Paramatta in a tight one.
But yeah, Cruls, you are right. The top four spot
might be just a mountain two high to climb right now.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
The boys were divided last night about paying Hers and
whether he should be rested.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do you guys have an opinion on this?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
One hundred percent. He looks like he needs a rest
before the game. There was that vision for weeks now.
We've spoken about this. I think that you know, like
we've spoken previously about the fact that Madge he flogs them.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
He flogs his.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Players, he works them hard. He did it at souths,
He's done it everywhere he's been. And he's got to
take that into consideration right now because he's digging his
heels in over this and he's saying there's nothing wrong
with pain. We're going to keep playing there is What
do you spoke about it?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I always say, I always say because it's a totally
different area than when I played. But when someone gets ahead,
clash father and son. Real if that's your son, would
you make him play? And that's the way And I
think Pain watching him play the way he's played the
last five years, he's been and everything, and he's done
a lot. And if they can't afford to give him
two weeks off, they're get himself right and find out
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his problem.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
They're not going to go deep into the finals.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So if he keeps on limp and off and getting
injections or whatever he's getting and can't get through the session,
Brisbane has no chance.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So they got to bite the bullet.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Now give him a rest, because if he's firing at
the end of the year, they're a chance.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I spoke to painhearse in Origin camp.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
He said he hasn't been right since round one, but
he doesn't require surgery, so he said it'd be a
long rehab that would get him fixed. So having one
week off in round twenty two, I don't think it's
going to fix the problem one week. He'd have to
have three or four off, and I don't think they
can afford to do that right now, give them we're
so close to the finals. The point I'm trying to
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make is one week, as you guys suggesting, won't help
nor fix.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
There's also an emotional rest too.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Like Buzz made the mention last night, I thought it
was a really good point about the Panthers, Like, did
I even.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Really want to rest them? Or did he do it
because it was in their best interest?
Speaker 7 (25:21):
When his players came back for Origin and Melbourne have
done that in the past, and you say, okay, well
they need pain out there to make the fall.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
He's grown as hamstring and he's out for six weeks.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
He's having the finals. If he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
At anyone can get injured.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Look, the Panthers rested their players, and good luck to Ivan,
but that's probably because a week did them.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The world are good.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I don't think pay Hars's lower back problem is going
to mend with a week out.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Well look, how good God he's come back after a.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Week two week off, dog, I think you need look
a million bucks, you need a month of beauty sleep.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
All right, let's take a look at the ins throughout
twenty two. The sports bed for Doggies, copying it year tonight.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
All right, that's how to look.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Papenhausen returns and wish out to seven with na Jerome
Hughes for Melbourne Storm, Cobbo to make his enteral return
for the Bronx. Dodd and Monroe both drop for the Bunnies.
The Dragons. Halves remain unchanged and Buller returns at fullback
for the Tigers, but Flanno resists making change in the
halves despite their losses.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Can I ask a question, does Carle Flanagan cop a
whack every week because of his ability or because he.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Is the son of the coach Gordon both?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I'd say both.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
What can lachless Lachlan bring them?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
So in the last ten years, anytime you side loses
you always blame the halves or your spine. That's one
of them, and his dad's the coach and he's had
a crack at other clubs and hasn't quite made it,
so that's pretty much it fairly targeted. I'd say no
at times with fans, but that's the NRL. If Luke
Brooks's dad coached, what was happening there? Everybody polled on
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that poor kid. It just happens.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I would argue if Flano wasn't the coach, I don't
think Cole would still be in the team because you've
got to own up to the fact that like he
tries his guts out. No one ever accuses him of
not trying his guts out. But he's kicking game hasn't
been great. His game management hasn't been great. He doesn't
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pose a great attacking threat. You've got Lachlan Ilius, who
Shane Flanagan brought to the club. He brought him to
the club to play halfback. He got dropped because of
his game management. He went back and he did what
he had to do. They've lost their last four games
and Flano's dug his heels in and he's not going
to change.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
He's just not going to change. But that is that
because Cole's his son.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Because Cole is just a player that he really believes
he's playing to the best of his ability and Lockie
can't come in and do something better.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Can I ask you how Lachlan's going emotionally and form wise.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's a tough one. That's a tough one to ask.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Put me on the spece you'd be struggling, right, So
if you put back and reserve, I can't win.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
On you because you ask me that question, and then
you know, Shane and the Dragons will think I'm having
a crack. But if you want my honest opinion that
he's been, he's gone back and did everything he's asked on.
You know, they won ten out of eleven games, you know,
and then pretty much because they lost one on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's why he's not playing this week.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But that you know, I don't cop that because you
know I've sat pretty quiet here and you know that's
because I don't want to get.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Involved because it's pretty hard for me.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
But he couldn't do anymore, and unfortunately for him, I'm
trying to keep him up because he's losing hope. And
I'm sure the other kid there is, Glover is as well.
But it's very rare, right that a USFRS Cup team
wins ten out of eleven and the first grade team
continues to lose. And a lot of it's based around
game management and defense in those positions, which I've watched
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over the past few weeks, and there's no changes.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So what hope do you have? And you know, I
could we speak. Maybe I shouldn't say this because but
I had to, because.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
That's how There's another layer to that too.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
There's another layer to the story in the fact that
you know, the Dragons senior management has come out in
recent weeks and said that they're chasing.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
A top line number seven. Well, you'd have to question.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Of the young guys coming through, would you want to
send a young seven like say Peasant as an example,
would you want to send him too? The Dragons knowing that, mate,
there's every chance Cole stays at seven. You know, they've
shown no trust in the bloke that they brought last
year to play seven. So I think it's doing the
club DAMMI And they might not want to admit it,
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but it's the truth
Speaker 1 (30:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Mention tonight bulldog.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What's that for?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Beautiful shirt of you or you like it? Yeah? Brings
out your eyes aqua aqua.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It might have a couple of lengths on your brown.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, thank you very much. Yeah, all right. Jack Whiton
has arrived at Emerald HQ as he fronts.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The judiciary to fight a potential for match band for
a short of charge on Toby Rudolph. James Hooper is
covering proceedings and hoops.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's the latest, evening, brath Well.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
The Bunnies are absolutely adamant that Jack Whiton did not
shoulder charge the Kronella Sharks prop forward Toby Rudolph. Now,
so far the NRL prosecutor has said this case is
going to come downunder two critical factors. Was the contact
forceful and also was it careless? Now they are also
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mounting an extremely strong case that Jack did in fact
have his right arm tucked into his body, which would
constitute a Schilder Chouge South Sydney suit. Completely the opposite.
They are adamant that it was merely accidental contact. They
conceived that there was a fair degree of force involved.
Jack had planted his feet but then also managed to
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get leading with his outside shoulder which led to his
head then coming into contact with Toby Rudolph. Now there's
still a lot to play out for the Bunnies. This
is critical because Jack Whiten has been named their captain
this weekend. We know they're fighting to avoid the wooden spoon.
They have been decimated by injuries Latrell Mitchell, Cameron Murray,
Codie Walker, Campbell Graham, Keon Khlam a Tungey to name
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a few. So we'll keep you updated over the course
of the evening. The men who will make the decision
ultimately will be ex referee Greg McCallum and also the
Champion Coinsland State of Origin forward Bob Linda. Will keep
you updated over the course of the night.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Breath only Who's would try and check in a little
later on. Now, Jack Whiton does he have a chance.
He's obviously fighting, he's scoredy what do you think he'd.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Have a slight change because it was a head clash.
I don't think that the shoulder charge was that bad,
so I do give him a slight chance of breath.
I thought the grading was wrong, but they don't normally
change their decisions.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Cross.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
I didn't think it was a shoulder charge, and the
moment I saw it, I thought immediately, and even the
commentators in the game, Kevin Waldas was there and forget
who the other person was, but they both thought it
was a head clash. So after the game I went
back and watched it multiple times, and I thought, when
you slow this tackle down, you will see that Rudolph
steps from his left to his right, and I reckon
that wrongfoot's Jack, And I reckon Jack was going in.
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Sure you was going in and put a big shot,
but I reckon at that last moment, that's what tricked him,
and it was a head clash. I don't think it
was a shoulder charge. I think it was just a
good hit. Jack Whiton was trying to produce him inspire,
so that.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Just went wrong.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
He's saying it's head on head, and it clearly was
because you can see KB Rudolph here looks like he's
unconscious there. But the only reason it was head on
head because Jack was that close trying to produce a
shoulder charge. So I think the shoulder charge charge will
stand tonight, and I think it's a real challenge for.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Jack to get off.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
I saw it as a rugby league collision because of
the step Like you tell me if someone wrong puts
you like that, Like, he wasn't setting up for a
shoulder charge.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Now the only thing that goes against him is they
revert back to the onus is on the defender for
the safety of the attacker, you know, and it's up
to Jack to not go in so hard and careless,
because then the result may have not been this way.
Like like I'm watching it like you were and thinking, well,
that's an accident.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
There was no intent to take his head off or
to make contact with his head, and it was kind
of unavoidable. But then the argument from the ennerrol again
is well it's avoidable if he doesn't go in his
hard and is careless.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Is that but is that a a dangerous tackle of
another form or is it a shoulder charge, Because again,
if you go back to the charge of being a
shoulder change, I don't think it is saying it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Was the shoulder charge that led to the head collision,
so that's why they've got it as a shoulder charge.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Do you think you wrap his arms in?
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Because I honestly thought he got wrong footed, then he
was probably planning to hit Rudolph so on Rudolph's yeah right,
and he got his timing was out. Jack's got a
duty of care too, just because charge on the charge
of a dangerous tackle is different to a shoulder chain.
It is, but if a bloke puts a late step
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on you with some footwork, it's the duty of care
of the defender to alter his defensive style as well.
You can't just say you put a late step on me, sorry,
I've clugged in the melon. Doesn't work that way. So
you brote this story.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Belinda Sharp dropped after a fifteen to three penalty count
and six again count in sous loss.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
What's the mail?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
He yeah, Belinda's been demoted this week.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Braith was fifteen three, took Ronulla in six agains as
you said, and penalty count, but I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
That was the specific reason.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
There were times when perhaps the game got a little
too fast for perhaps she's little bit confused at times,
particularly around one tackle count. She won't be in the
bunk of this week either they've decided that she will
be asked and go onto the sideline as a touch judge.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So unfortunate for Belinda.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
But look, I think maybe in the last couple of
weeks her form has been modest at best, and with
the owner all going into the finals, we really start
to find out who are the elite referees because we
got finals just around the corner. Yeah, she was clearly,
clearly off the pace in that game, and it was highlighted,
like you mentioned with the tackle count where she just
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got it wrong. I thought it was a one sided
game when you watched it and you're watching the two
sides playing, and I know we spoke about this during Origin,
but a ten two penalty count and what was it?
Was it a one six again restart? It was just
it was that.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
They're consistent because Blinda, you know, she is trying it.
But just of course if any other referee struggles like that,
they get the same gear.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's a professional game.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
It's a professional game.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I totally agree, because the Titans thought they were probably
a little bit hard done by the week before it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Like as well, watching the game, I thought the Bunnies
were hard done by with the officiating, and this was
one instance that you thought they got it wrong.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
You tell me, you tell me when you're looking at this.
Does he bubble that or not? It's and is there
a hand from south? So on it?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It was a contentious one.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I remember watching this and the only thing that swayed
me a little bit was.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That they awarded a try.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I'm looking, am I convinced one hundred to knock one?
Does his arm come off the ball completely?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was a bit. I wasn't sure that was my take.
I don't know what did you think?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
At a fair crack at it? Breath? This wasn't Blinda sharp.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
She awarded the try but the bunker obviously made the
final ruling there.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Look, there is separation there.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
The bunker ruled it. But does that not look like
a not.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You let me finish.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I'll say, I think there is separation there. But under
the current rules, does he lose total control? Is there
some part of his body on the ball? Both ways?
It both ways?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Is the rule?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
You don't need control, you only need downward pressure.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
Seration is what they said.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Correct separation, But it looked like that he's probably regained
it a little bit.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think they argue both ways with some con If
you had bloody the.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
NRL, that's a fifty to fifty. If you're a South
ven you say. If you're a Sharks fan, you say
to try.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
The NRL said that he remained in control of the
ball and there was no separation.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Yeah, come on, for all time. There's no question he bobbed.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
There is a bobble in there, but we could argue
or not.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jerome Hughes has turned his back on millions from incoming
expansion teams, doing a four year extension at the Storm.
The Superstar half says it was never about the money.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
Super excited and yes, grateful to have the opportunity to
stay here for a couple more years and here to
finally get it done. It's you know, I guess it's
been in the works for a little while.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Now.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Now that I've resigned, I'll definitely be in the ears
of those blokes to resign. I think Harry's off soon,
and I think Perhaps is off soon as well. Monks
has got a couple more years, but there's always going
to be rumors about that sort of stuff, and you know,
I hope, I hope that's not the case. I'm you know, personally,
I think it's all rumors, but you don't worry. I'll
get into his end and make sure he doesn't go
anywhere for Jonah. And you know the type of player
he is, he could you know, walk into you know,
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mostly narrow clubs and be the starting half back there.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
So like you said, there might be a clause.
Speaker 9 (08:43):
In his contract to go elsewhere and a tough one
for Jonah. And I'm sure you know himself as family
and his management will sort something out.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
A huge announcement and a great signing for the Melbourne Storm.
Jerome Hugh's inking.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Another deal with the club, which you know he he's
been exceptional for them for a long time and he's
probably been at his best the last few years. So
no surprise that the Melbourne Storm have kept him well.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
And it's true to what they do, don't they.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
They sort of rely on their spine, you know, and
they pay them a lot of money and then they
sort of get the rest of the guys off the
scrap heap without disrespect. And Jerome's the first piece of
the puzzle, and Harry and Munster and perhaps would be
the next ones that you think that they'd want to.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Keep great kicking game, but his running game?
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Is it a better running half back in then a
rule you could probably argue no, if.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You really broke it down.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Look, I think it's a great achievement for Jerome Hughes.
But what about Craig Bellamy's contribution here. He's taken another
fullback as he did with Cooper Kronk and turned him
into the best half back in rugby.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
How many players you reckon? He's made millionaires? Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Dozens?
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Yeah, well, I agree.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
I agree with what Dog says from Bellamy. Like one
game at the Titans, one game at the Cowboys, he
goes to Melbourne, there was what three or four blakes
lining up for the fullback position at that point of
his career. He turns him into a halfback. The patience
that they've they've shown along the way, and it's just
great coaching. It's a great system. And look they've done
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it with Cameron Munster. They do it with every bloke
that comes there and they make him into these multimillion
dollar players.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
But it's the system that does it for them.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
That's not about money, well everyone, because general it is
about money. Well, and you know what good luck to
them are getting the money, but it's not about somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Would be very handsomely paid him. I'm not being critical.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
I just wonder why every unerall player feels it his
obligation to say I'm not going or staying for the money.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It is about the money, and good.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Luck to them.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Okay, it's about the money because of the money. It's
because of your talent. What about Jerome? He spoke about
Peasant so that there may be a clause to get
out here.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So Jonah he signed a long term deal with Melbourne,
which the club put it on the faith and us
in him, and Jona has done the same. Because Joan
is ready, he's ready for first grade. And we put
a clause in there that if Jerome resigned, because we
weren't sure if Jerome was going to stay on or
night at that point, because there's a lot of rumors
about him going to either Perth or Gold Coast at
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one point and all that, and because I think and
we think that Janah is ready to be a full
time first grade seven, I put a clause in that
if Jerome re signs, he's off contract. So we're going
to catch up with Melbourne over the next a week
or so and discuss that. I know that Melbourne love him,
and I'm not so sure they want to let him go.
So it's just whether we can work that out so
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that he can stay or even a possibility of alone
next year for the year and then come back like
Harry did with West Tigers. So there's a bit to
play out there, but that's how it sits right now.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
It's interesting time though, for his career, isn't it Like
he's twenty two years of age. For at least three
years people have been describing him as the next big
thing and he just hasn't had an opportunity, through injury
or the players in front.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
Of him to get that chance or not.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I kind of you look at a guy like Ethan
Strange when he was when he was in the Roosters
system and no one really knew about him. He took
a chance, he took a gamble, he went to Canberra.
I have no doubt if Ethan Strange were still at
the Roosters, he'd probably be struggling to play.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's a good point you make, because there is you know,
there's only so long he can wait and be patient.
You don't want that time to go past too where you're.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
In not playing against the best every week. You know,
you want to be tested.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And he has been really patient cruels, you know, but
it's time, you know, it's time for in a first
grade team, So you know, I want to give him
that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Monster.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I was going to ask you a Munster.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
I know it's difficult for you to talk about because
he's art manager, but it all into twines down there,
because Peasant's move could depend on whether Monster goes or
how it all comes together.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
As a jigsaw puzzle.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
There is a bit of a puzzle to play out.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But just on that, I mean, there's been no contact
with the Bears and we haven't spoke to Melbourne about
them letting him go either. You know, obviously I would
think the Bears would be interested because take the management
had off, and even just as a league supporter, I
think they'd be interested in most clubs, you know, like
he he'd be perfect for them to a franchise around.
(13:13):
But again that's really nothing until we have a conversation,
if we have a conversation with Melbourne, because Melbourne might
not be interested in even having that, and we might
not even talk to them about it, so it's all
speculation right now. But obviously it's going to be a
talking point because you know the Bears are in. They
need players, and came to be a fair player to
start the club with. Wouldn't he know he's there twenty
(13:35):
seven now he's got too more Ears, So that's the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's really a non event right now. But who knows
down the train.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
As Jerome said, it's not about the money, but it
is about the money because every team has a salary cap,
and when Cameron's next up, it becomes about the money
because he has to look after himself and do what's
in his best interest. The Bears would be a logical choice,
like what's Cameron thirty now? Two years time he's thirty two,
he's had an opportunity to win a couple more console
(14:05):
or put himself in that position. But ultimately the Bears
do need a big, a big player like him to
go over there and be.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
The head of of course they're going to have interesting
he'd have.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
To get a year early release though CRUs of the
Bears twenty seven and the Bears are in in twenty seven,
so he'd met the Melbourne stim that first year the Bears.
I spoke to people in and around Melbourne today and
they were saying, there's absolutely no appetite whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
To let him go.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Well you would, I mean, he's Cameron Munster. Why would
you let him go early?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Unless, of course you know as we know Broth will
you know as being a manager. Circumstances changed very quickly
in ruguar League.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
All right now reports Ryan Papanhaw hasn't met with Rugby
Lee three to sixty.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
They've stolen our name their bosses. What do we make
of this?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
This is starting to pick up a bit of momentum.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
This what is it?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
The course yesterday I ran a few managers. There's a
lot of skep. This isn't out there as to whether
it will actually come off. But the more the time
goes on you start to feel that the tentacles are
getting into rugby league. I don't think it'll be a
mass exodus out of the game. The one advantage I
understand is that they are offering US dollars and it
could be well over a million dollars, so that becomes
(15:18):
two million dollars a century with the dollar exchange.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Do you think they'd get the fringe players, wouldn't you
They wouldn't go after the big guys.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
If it is what it is, Yes, sixtens won't be
a problem.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
A problem, so you would go after the better players,
and like from a rugby league perspective, it's probably it's
not the biggest problem in the world because there's so
much talent out there. However, the names that have been
mentioned so far Uponga Pappenhouse and they target. Their target
is the superstars, which would be the concern for the game.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
It's not the first time with Gwendel and Lottie, Matt Rogers, Sonnybille,
William sam Burgess. We've lost through Israel, Philoo and Carmichael
Hunt to why a fellow games lost some really big
name but we've just right now it's the highest.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Raving we disrespect to Ryan paper Howson or even Kalen.
If one of them were to go, our game wouldn't suffer.
It'd only be if it was a handful or quite
a ten fifteen players, yeah, anything over five, but if
it's only one or two here or there, I don't
think it would. I'm the question I want to ask
(16:23):
if I was the r I would try and do this,
and I'm not sure if they're allowed, but if they went,
any player that went, could you say if you leave,
you can't come back?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Or is that I think legally you could say you
cannot come back to our game. That would be up
to the clubs or be at the eneral would have
to register the contract. I don't think you would be
able to lawfully say you cannot play in our game
because you've gone to a rival code.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
They could if they break a contract correct like that?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That would they go after their contract?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
They would be legal if.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
They went in the contract, you couldn't stop them coming
back both. You're right though, like Sunny Bills never going
to play.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
We lost Shawali, has the game suffered? Has the rooster?
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Some year they've lost a good player, But Robert Toyer
comes along, you know, Marky Mark comes along like jump
out of the ground. Every year that's game for years,
break there and you know what, we're always replaced because
it's got the best systems theft pathways in international football.
And from this R three sixty point of view too
that their main targets are going to be the European
(17:20):
rugby players, aren't they from England.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
The people over there that what do you want?
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Right, So they're the fans that you want. Who are
you going to play for?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's really hard when you watch them to fall in
love with their side that you're not going to know
too much about.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
Have a couple of novels. He players. Yeah, but that's
what that's what it's even.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Like they live goals like that, they've they've done what
they've done over there, and it just doesn't compare to
the PGA.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
To it like they've made their millions in.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Good luck to them and say with perhaps and those
guys if they want to go, but it's it's what
legacy you want to leave too? Like you look at them,
all the majors, and it's the PGA too.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They live, guys of a lot of them are falling.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Off a cliff, you know, and they've got their money
and they set up for life.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But what legacy do you want to leave? Why do
you play the game? You know what?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, a lot of players don't just you know, I
know the money is important, but they play for grand finals.
They play it for achieving success and leaving a legacy
in whatever sport they play.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's just whatever you.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
You've been brutally honest too, like you push, what is
at the end of next year that this competition is
September potentially starting. But then Melbourne's got a guy like
so far ago who he's ready to go and how
much longer can you hold him back? And also, rugby
league salary cap will more than likely increase with the
next TV deal.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
It could go twelve to fifteen million. So the money
is in rugby league.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
So if the Saundis want to come in, sure they
let more money than what we do. But if they're
offering one point five, he'll get that to you.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Just get that with the jury cap with a new broadcast.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I don't do it for money, mate, Okay, you.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Would have brought some new clothes shirt, I'll have you know.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
This is Pierre Cardin for the lower I think it
says low Ben Hunt isn't.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Ben Hunt isn't concerned after the weekends lost, but a
midst the Broncos still.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Have a lot of work, have a lot of work
to do.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
I think we're in a pretty good position really, I
know where everyone wants to get into the top four.
But you know, we're still working out a few things
about ourselves. I've only been back for two weeks. We've
only had one week really with our full side together.
And the thing is with recent he's just an ultimate competitor.
When things are going right for a team, he feels like, yes,
a step up and they just staying in his role.
And yes he's overplays his hand now and then, but
(19:32):
that's it's come from a good place. I wanted to
win and do what's right for the team. I think
he'll be a right the big follow. You know, he's
trained with us this week so far and I think
he's got a bit of a bump on his leg
and you'll be wrong r Rees Walsh.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I love the way that he plays. He's got so
much X factor and he's a star game. But you
know Ben Hunt mentioned there that he.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Kind of overplayed his hand a little bit the other night.
How do you go? I see this.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
He did a couple of vaccasions. But that's the way
he's played. Obviously, with the more experience he he gets,
he just wants to score for every play right, and
you've got to love that. You don't want to coach
it out of him, but he's just got to pick
his time and place and watching him in the last
couple of weeks. I watched the Broncos closely, and if
he didn't play some of those games, they wouldn't have won.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
He turned their season around when he returned from injury,
no question in the world. But then last weekend that
performance and all the great players always say you've got
to limit the difference between your best and your worst.
And with rece it's not even from game to game,
it's from moment to moment. Yes, and he's at that
stage now where he's twenty three years of age. I
think he's played close to ninety NRL games already, and
(20:39):
he owes it to the team to try and pull
back on moments where some of those bullet passes or
different things like I agree totally with what you say,
because his magic is what brought them to life this year.
But Gordy, if there to be a hope of winning
the comp this year or next year, Reese does have
(21:01):
to grow up a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But Crawls.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
He's an entertainer. I said today, he's like a David Warner.
He lit one hundred sixty odd balls, but he might
nick the next one. That's just what you're going to
get you can't lord him one.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Beak for being spectacular, the great, the great.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
When he's at that age now where it's probably time
for him to try and get some of those mistakes
out of his.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Gym with Bright it's a natural progression. Like Billy slated.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
He there is in his game, and he kind of
threw the pass a little bit too often when he
shouldn't have and played low percentage footy and then all
of a sudden he just put it all together over time,
matured into one of the greatest fullbacks to see.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It happens like it's part even in halves. Look at Galvin.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know he's biggest We said last night was overplaying
his hand. He goes out on the weekend. You can
tell he pulled it back a lot. And you know,
you still want to see all these brands, but you know,
and you don't take it away from him. But it's
up to him and just you know, his maturity, his
progression to change.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Now, if Madge sucks the spirit of that kid by
saying all back, I think it could ruin his career.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
I don't think it's necessarily Again, it's maturing dog.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
It's like and I think I think it's twenty three.
It's time that he can well.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Mag has had something to say about the way in
which they play. We have shown we are tough enough.
We've beaten the Bulldogs twice. We were trying to go
around Para and passing to go around them rather than
playing through them.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You can't play too cute in the NFL. You have
to earn the right.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
No, they're all that's one hundred percent. You've always got
to earn the right in rugby league. The Dogs aren't
the top of the tree. I think they're real challenges
against Melbourne in the next couple of weeks because that's
probably going to be the benchmark. You'd say Melbourne and Penrith,
so it's how they go against those guys. But they're
lacking in the fourth I said that earlier, and Pain
has is injured at the moment, so without Pain going
(22:49):
through the middle, they're probably one real big guy short
in the middle. That's probably why they can't get That.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Was a critical loss on the weekend too, because when
you put it in perspective, it put some four points
still behind the Warriors, doesn't it. So you're running out
of rounds to pick up those points. Now the Panthers
have dropped jumped ahead of them. That could be season
defining in the fact that that ends in their top
four hopes.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It wasn't just that one game.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
I think you could probably go back to the start
of the season where they might have lost there.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
They won five in a row. I don't think we
shoul jump all over them right now.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Losing wont to go to Paramatta in a tight one.
But yeah, Cruls, you are right. The top four spot
might be just a mountain two high to climb right now.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
The boys were divided last night about paying Hers and
whether he should be rested.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do you guys have an opinion on this?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
One hundred percent. He looks like he needs a rest
before the game. There was that vision for weeks now.
We've spoken about this. I think that you know, like
we've spoken previously about the fact that Madge he flogs them.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
He flogs his.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Players, he works them hard. He did it at souths,
He's done it everywhere he's been. And he's got to
take that into consideration right now because he's digging his
heels in over this and he's saying there's nothing wrong
with pain. We're going to keep playing there is What
do you spoke about it?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I always say, I always say because it's a totally
different area than when I played. But when someone gets ahead,
clash father and son. Real if that's your son, would
you make him play? And that's the way And I
think Pain watching him play the way he's played the
last five years, he's been and everything, and he's done
a lot. And if they can't afford to give him
two weeks off, they're get himself right and find out
(24:27):
his problem.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
They're not going to go deep into the finals.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
So if he keeps on limp and off and getting
injections or whatever he's getting and can't get through the session,
Brisbane has no chance.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So they got to bite the bullet.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Now give him a rest, because if he's firing at
the end of the year, they're a chance.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I spoke to painhearse in Origin camp.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
He said he hasn't been right since round one, but
he doesn't require surgery, so he said it'd be a
long rehab that would get him fixed. So having one
week off in round twenty two, I don't think it's
going to fix the problem one week. He'd have to
have three or four off, and I don't think they
can afford to do that right now, give them we're
so close to the finals. The point I'm trying to
(25:05):
make is one week, as you guys suggesting, won't help
nor fix.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
There's also an emotional rest too.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
Like Buzz made the mention last night, I thought it
was a really good point about the Panthers, Like, did
I even.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Really want to rest them? Or did he do it
because it was in their best interest?
Speaker 7 (25:21):
When his players came back for Origin and Melbourne have
done that in the past, and you say, okay, well
they need pain out there to make the fall.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
He's grown as hamstring and he's out for six weeks.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
He's having the finals. If he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
At anyone can get injured.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Look, the Panthers rested their players, and good luck to Ivan,
but that's probably because a week did them.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The world are good.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I don't think pay Hars's lower back problem is going
to mend with a week out.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Well look, how good God he's come back after a.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Week two week off, dog, I think you need look
a million bucks, you need a month of beauty sleep.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
All right, let's take a look at the ins throughout
twenty two. The sports bed for Doggies, copying it year tonight.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
All right, that's how to look.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Papenhausen returns and wish out to seven with na Jerome
Hughes for Melbourne Storm, Cobbo to make his enteral return
for the Bronx. Dodd and Monroe both drop for the Bunnies.
The Dragons. Halves remain unchanged and Buller returns at fullback
for the Tigers, but Flanno resists making change in the
halves despite their losses.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Can I ask a question, does Carle Flanagan cop a
whack every week because of his ability or because he.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Is the son of the coach Gordon both?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I'd say both.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
What can lachless Lachlan bring them?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
So in the last ten years, anytime you side loses
you always blame the halves or your spine. That's one
of them, and his dad's the coach and he's had
a crack at other clubs and hasn't quite made it,
so that's pretty much it fairly targeted. I'd say no
at times with fans, but that's the NRL. If Luke
Brooks's dad coached, what was happening there? Everybody polled on
(27:09):
that poor kid. It just happens.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I would argue if Flano wasn't the coach, I don't
think Cole would still be in the team because you've
got to own up to the fact that like he
tries his guts out. No one ever accuses him of
not trying his guts out. But he's kicking game hasn't
been great. His game management hasn't been great. He doesn't
(27:35):
pose a great attacking threat. You've got Lachlan Ilius, who
Shane Flanagan brought to the club. He brought him to
the club to play halfback. He got dropped because of
his game management. He went back and he did what
he had to do. They've lost their last four games
and Flano's dug his heels in and he's not going
to change.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
He's just not going to change. But that is that
because Cole's his son.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Because Cole is just a player that he really believes
he's playing to the best of his ability and Lockie
can't come in and do something better.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Can I ask you how Lachlan's going emotionally and form wise.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's a tough one. That's a tough one to ask.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Put me on the spece you'd be struggling, right, So
if you put back and reserve, I can't win.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
On you because you ask me that question, and then
you know, Shane and the Dragons will think I'm having
a crack. But if you want my honest opinion that
he's been, he's gone back and did everything he's asked on.
You know, they won ten out of eleven games, you know,
and then pretty much because they lost one on the weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's why he's not playing this week.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But that you know, I don't cop that because you
know I've sat pretty quiet here and you know that's
because I don't want to get.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Involved because it's pretty hard for me.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
But he couldn't do anymore, and unfortunately for him, I'm
trying to keep him up because he's losing hope. And
I'm sure the other kid there is, Glover is as well.
But it's very rare, right that a USFRS Cup team
wins ten out of eleven and the first grade team
continues to lose. And a lot of it's based around
game management and defense in those positions, which I've watched
(29:13):
over the past few weeks, and there's no changes.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So what hope do you have? And you know, I
could we speak. Maybe I shouldn't say this because but
I had to, because.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
That's how There's another layer to that too.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
There's another layer to the story in the fact that
you know, the Dragons senior management has come out in
recent weeks and said that they're chasing.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
A top line number seven. Well, you'd have to question.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Of the young guys coming through, would you want to
send a young seven like say Peasant as an example,
would you want to send him too? The Dragons knowing that, mate,
there's every chance Cole stays at seven. You know, they've
shown no trust in the bloke that they brought last
year to play seven. So I think it's doing the
club DAMMI And they might not want to admit it,
(30:01):
but it's the truth
Speaker 1 (30:03):
All right, Thank you, Journals stick around Tonight, following an
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