141 Paul Hutchinson on the film ”Sound of Freedom” and human trafficking

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Today we have a special rebroadcast of the Jordan Harbinger Show. Jordan interviews Paul Hutchinson about the film "Sound of Freedom" and the human trafficking trade. In the full show, Jordan threads the needle to disclaim the interview from any political bents and conspiracy theories that cloud the topic and just wanted to expose the trade and damage it causes. 

As we work overseas on foreign policy issues, I suspect our soldiers, diplomats, development officers, and field agents will cross paths with this growing illicit trade. To help the team, in the show notes, I'll add the Department of State, DOD and UN contacts who can help you respond.

Show background and contacts:

Jordan Harbinger: https://www.jordanharbinger.com/ 

Sound of Freedom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_of_Freedom_(film)

Paul Hutchinson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulhutch/

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to the One CA Podcast. Today we have a special
rebroadcast of The Jordan Harbinger Show.
Jordan interviews Paul Hutchisonabout the film Sound of Freedom,
and the human trafficking trade.In the full show, Jordan threads
the needle to disclaim the interview from any political
bents or conspiracy theories that cloud the topic and just
wanted to expose the trade and damage it causes.

(00:21):
As we work overseas on foreign policy issues, I suspect our
soldiers, diplomats, developmentofficers, and field agents will
cross path with this growing illicit trade.
To help the team in the show notes, I'll add the Department
of State, DoD, and UN contacts. They can help you respond.
So now on with the show. Coming up next on the Jordan

(00:41):
Harbinger Show. Today on the show we're talking
about the movie The Sound of Freedom.
The movie, if you haven't heard of it, or if you haven't seen
it, tracks. Tim Ballard, who was actually on
this show a long time ago, and this is, you know, sort of based
on the true story, but really isis highly dramatized in finding
trafficked children who are being sold, usually for sex.

(01:03):
In other countries. And rescuing them.
So this is a movie that is controversial, but not seemingly
for a ton of good reasons. A lot of people just having the
same reaction that I did, which is that the lead actor and Tim
Ballard now, who was on the showonce again, are really out there
sort of saying this is very political and it's.
It's it's that. Furniture companies are selling

(01:25):
them and the children's blood isbeing drank just, you know,
stupid Q and on BS nonsense. And I just didn't want to
contribute to. That so I am really glad we get
to cover it here with somebody who is not going to embarrass
themselves or the show and is actually going to deliver what I
hope is real vetted on the ground information.
Now there are some spoilers for the movie Sound of Freedom

(01:46):
discussed in the episode. If you've seen it great, if not,
no problem. This again is not overly graphic
but it is about child trafficking so maybe no super
young kids in the car for this one if you are not comfortable
with them hearing about this. So here we go with Paul Hutch.
The sound of freedom. It's been in a box office smash

(02:07):
to say the least, right? The budget was what, 15,000,000
and it's at 130. Something like that.
Almost 130,000,000, yeah. We made a $14 million our first
day and our budget was only 14.5and we beat out guys that had
$300 million budgets with Indiana Jones and others.
So phenomenal success for three weeks.
So does that mean that Sound of freedom is really good, or that

(02:28):
Indiana Jones is really bad? What does that mean?
Well, for a long time, Jordan, Ithought that sound of Freedom
must have sucked because we had this done five years ago and
nobody would take our distribution.
I'm like, you know, what am I the only guy that thinks this is
amazing movie just because I'm the investor in it and I thought
maybe this will end up being a CD on my table as a coaster for

(02:51):
my drinks. I, you know, I think he was
going to go anywhere. But now, with the success of the
movie, I really believe people are seeing as I did and as our
team did, and it's beautifully made.
And it has a super awesome message to it that we need to
all get behind and say, how can we fix the world?
It is a really. Harrowing story about these
young kids who are sold trafficked often for sex, which

(03:12):
is really gross. And I have questions, of course,
as to how true to life, how accurate all this is.
But first, of course, I want to back up the truck.
You're selling yourself short a little bit, right?
You're not just an investor in the movie.
This is something that's been near and dear to your heart for
a while before this. Very much.
My character in the movie is played by Eduardo Verastigi by
the producer. Halfway through, when the

(03:33):
Homeland Security agent is frustrated, he wants to leave
his job and go help rescue thesekids and he needs somebody who
can not only help to fund it, but to fly down and physically
be there in front of the traffickers.
That was me in the movie is Pablo because when we filmed the
show. I was still undercover, thought
that I'd be undercover for the next 1020 years.

(03:53):
And so we didn't have him play Paul Hutchinson.
We had him play Pablo Delgado, that billion dollar fund manager
who quits his job to go help rescue children.
So that's my personal experience, and that was the
first of Now 70 undercover rescue missions in 15 countries
has changed my entire life and transformed everything for me.
70 undercover missions. You thought you would do it for

(04:15):
20 years. I would imagine you get quite
tired of being undercover because.
How long are these operations? When you say 70, it's not just
70 afternoons, right? There's a lot going on here.
Yeah. Now when I say 70, I will say
this, every single sting operation requires multiple
times going in as a specific operation to identify more

(04:37):
traffickers. We don't want to take down a
trafficking ring and end up having three or four more in the
city that fills in. So I'll usually go in on five or
six or seven, plus sometimes 8 or 10 different times.
Into a region to connect with all of the trafficking rings
that are there for a single sting operations.
I count those as individual undercover operations to set up

(04:59):
for one sting. That of course makes sense.
Multiple times we've had traffickers kill other
traffickers on. How do you explain to one set of
traffickers while you're talkingto their competition in the same
city or same region? I would imagine they find out,
right? Because it's organized crime,
they have eyes everywhere. The mission or after we left or
they've got in fights. I've got videos of some of them

(05:21):
getting fights over turf wars type of thing.
And so the answer is this. I go in and for the first year I
went in as the buyer, I was in as not as Paul Hutchinson.
I went in as Paul Stone and I had a fake Facebook and profile
and all of this stuff. Web page for Paul Stone Capital
All this crap. And I have pictures of me with
Lamborghinis and Ferraris and all this stuff.

(05:42):
That doesn't matter, but to the traffickers matter.
You're like an Instagram influencer, basically.
Exactly, exactly. So these guys would go to in the
morning, downtown, Port-au-Prince, Haiti or
whatever, they would connect with these traffickers and they
would then show them this profile of this Playboy and
saying, hey, this is the guy that funds these parties and
stuff and he's coming down. And so then when they see me in
real life, they're like, oh shit, this guy's real.

(06:02):
I saw these pictures online and that we had taken everything of
the real me down South. There was nothing there.
But after a year and a half I was asked to start going deep
cover. This would be dangerous if I was
a wealthy Playboy. And so instead I'm working for a
guy and would go in and say, listen, my boss is looking for a
big party. He wants to pull in a bunch of
his rich buddies and come here to Dominican Republic and have a

(06:24):
big party over Super Bowl Sunday, whatever it is.
And he wants a bunch of models that are there.
So you have your inventory, you have others.
And we'll connect with all of the traffickers who currently
have inventory in that area. That was just the sting like
what we did in Columbia, the party.
We had different types of operations as well depending on
what kind of traffickers were there.

(06:44):
I had multiple times where they got mad.
I was in a border city in Mexico.
There was traffickers that were trafficking children across the
border in Mexicali, Tijuana. And I was asked by the head of
the federal police to come and check out what was going on.
And so I did. I went in with the team,
connected with a couple traffickers.
One of them got mad that we wereworking with the other one and
called his buddy who was the pretty high up in the Police

(07:07):
Department there who ended up arresting us and asking for a
bride money and the whole thing all fell apart that was there.
So it gets challenging when you have multiple traffickers that
both want to control and especially if we're coming in
with. The desire to bring all of their
current inventory to one place, Then yeah, they start fighting
with each other. That makes sense.

(07:28):
And I know you say inventory, but so people are really clear.
We're talking about child sex trafficking, which is just gross
to keep saying. So we'll say it a few times and
then we'll use euphemisms because it is repulsive.
I remember talking about this onthe show before episode 369 with
Tim Ballard, who the movie is loosely based on.
We'll talk more about that in a second, but one of the things
that I asked him was. I know you're undercover, right?

(07:49):
It's part of the job. But how do you fragilize with
these guys? Pretend that you like screwing
small kids. Talking about it is gross and
revolting, so how do you? Stay in that identity for what?
Weeks at a time? Days at a time, over and over
again. Do you just become desensitized?
To that somehow? The deep cover, the ones that
are finding the kids, it's important that the identity that

(08:11):
I took when we were in that place was not one of a consumer.
Okay. I'm working for a boss and
they're like, once you try out this 12 year old, no, you know
what? My boss will kill me and my
whole family if I taste the candy before the party.
It's really his. He pays me really well for it.
That way we keep ourself out of a situation.
We have to prove ourselves or whatever we say.
No, this isn't for us. We're setting this up.

(08:32):
He pays us well for doing so andwhatnot, so that helps a bunch.
I was talking to a motorcycle gang guy.
He's in this dark alley and he pulls his shirt up and there's a
gun that's just sitting there tucked in his pants.
And I'd pull out a bill and I give it to him and he says,
what's that for? I says that's for you, you keep
it. I said I have another one for
you. You can get me in touch with
somebody. I have a boss coming in couple

(08:53):
weeks looking for a party. He likes 10 year olds and he
said to me right there your bossis effed up.
I said I know he is, he'll pay you well if you can get me in
touch with somebody who can provide what he is looking for.
And so boom, he got me in touch with a female trafficker who was
running a strip club, who who isselling children on the side for
her primary income. Strip club is more of a front
so. It happens all the time.

(09:14):
These guys are grossed out by itas well.
In fact, one of our contacts in one of the undercover missions
was a drug Lord in the area. And he said, listen, he said you
may not agree with how I do business, but I've got children
of my own and those guys are evil and I'm going to kill them.
And if I do, you got 20-30 kids and you don't know where they
are or I tell you everything I know.

(09:36):
You go in there, you get those kids back to their families, you
make sure he goes to jail and I'll take care of it from there.
It's interesting. Even the thugs on the street,
the guys selling cocaine stuff, they're not into this either,
but they know who is. And if you're able to get into a
place where you're with those super dangerous people, you can
connect with the ones you're selling, yes.
That makes sense, right? So now you're merely posing as a

(09:57):
disgusting amoral psychopath as opposed to an actual pedophile.
It's like those drug dealers. I've spoken to undercover cops
and DEA agents and stuff on the show, and sometimes they have to
pose as people who consume drugs, but I think occasionally,
depending on the cover, they canget.
Away with hey, I don't do this. I'm a recovering addict and some
of the dealers are like, hey, respect The stuff is addictive.

(10:17):
That's why we have businesses that are worth millions of
dollars because people can't getoff the meth or the cocaine or
whatever. This is 1 where probably
everybody would understand if you don't consume the product
that you're selling because it'svery specific and 99.9% of
people find it completely disgusting. 100%, but it allows
us to find the guys who are supplying them and then either

(10:39):
geotag their location. Which the majority of the
rescues didn't take place, like on the Sound of Freedom move,
right. The reason for that was to get a
lot of footage, to have the stories and to somewhat
sensationalize it. There was a number of other ones
that I did in those early days where the purpose was.
We went in, we found the kids, and we had to bring them all

(11:01):
together for a big party thing. Why?
Because there'd be undercover cameras there and they could
tell the story. We agreed early on on that very
first Columbia mission. We, meaning me and Dave and a
bunch of the undercover operators.
We agreed we will do the work, we will find the kids, we will
bring them to a place, You guys bring the cameras, you tell the
story. And that story can involve us

(11:23):
because we don't want the world to know who we are.
And so that happened for a number of years, but after that
we found it was a lot more effective and a lot safer to not
have those parties like that instead.
We did what we were doing, we got in touch with the
trafficker, said same kind of a story, we've got a boss coming
in town, etc. And we say, listen, my boss will
kill me if I taste the candy, but I have to verify you have

(11:44):
the candy, so. If you're willing to take me to
wherever they are, I'll give you$100 for each one just so that I
can see them and verify that youhave them so my boss will come
down South. They'll either, if they don't
trust us enough, they'll bring the kids to a central place, to
a restaurant or something, that undercover agents that are
tailing us at the time will tag their vehicles and find out
where they're taking the kids. Or in most cases, we're able to

(12:08):
work our way up to what I call aLevel 3 trafficker, the ones
that are physically holding. The children in captivity, Geo
tagged that location and then once we're out of country, then
the federal agents of that country do their job, arrest
them, and we don't have anythingto do with it.
There's no cameras and there's no sensationalism around it.
But we're taking down pedophiles, we're taking down

(12:28):
trafficking rings, and we're saving the kids.
We say, listen, we'll do all thework and we'll pay for
everything. All we ask is that the bad guys
stay in jail for good. They don't get around your
system #2. We have full access to the
children and getting them rehabilitated back to their
families, so. That's the rest, the back story.
How do you? Ensure that governments in
places like Honduras, Mexico areactually going to follow rule of

(12:52):
law and not just the guy who wasin this had $1,000,000 in
cryptocurrency, so he's out and all of us got new cars.
How do you make sure that happens?
Well, sadly you can't make sure on anything.
We will work with only vetted people that are vetted by some
of the US intelligence agencies that some of our guys have
worked with just to make sure that we're not going to get shot

(13:13):
while we're undercover by somebody that the local cops
never even know that we're there.
They have no idea that we're in country.
The only people that really knowis usually the head of the
federal police. The president knows were there
we have. Authorization to work under
their laws. And we say, listen, we will do
the work, We'll work under your laws and you tell us what we can
and can't do and we'll present it to you.
You'll look like heroes to your people.

(13:34):
I will say, though, that there were a number of operations that
unfortunately fell apart either during the operation or
afterwards because of that kind of corruption.
There's a documentary called Operation Toussaint.
Tousaint is the name of the airport in Port-au-Prince.
Hey. Now that was while I was still
deep cover. The only time that you see me,
my face is blurred and I'm laughing with the traffickers.

(13:56):
And you would hate my guts if you didn't know who I really
was. Now, I led the entire undercover
operation to find those 34 children that were highlighted
in that film. And that film also goes into
what happened afterwards. We got to the head of the
Dragon, some really bad traffickers, and these
traffickers ended up paying $80,000 to be let out of prison.

(14:19):
Now, to put that in perspective,the average income in Haiti is
like $500 a year, $80,000 like millions.
And these four corrupt judges got paid off.
And so we're like, crap, these kids were now being
retrafficked. It was crazy.
And so we flew the first lady, the attorney general, the top of
the federal police. We flew him to the US And here's

(14:40):
the crazy thing about that. During the operation, there was
one thing that kind of went squirrely on it as I was getting
arrested. Usually my passport.
We send all of our luggage to the airport beforehand and when
we get arrested, I get arrested with the traffickers.
I get hauled off and they think I'm going to jail.
I end up going straight to the airport, but I keep my passport

(15:01):
on me. The agent who was searching me
down didn't know I was a good guy.
He ends up taking my passport, putting it up on the evidence
pile with the other traffickers stuff and I'm laying there.
I'm like, this is my real passport.
I can't say anything. They pick us up.
Locals are throwing rocks and everything else.
So Fast forward. When those corrupt judges let

(15:21):
those guys out, they had to say why.
The reason why is they're like the real bad guy got away and
the real bad guy, it wasn't PaulStone, it wasn't Paul Steele, it
wasn't Paul Black, It was Paul in Hutchinson.
I didn't realize that it was already entered in before we got
it back. There's a lot of situations like
that where things ended up goingbad because of bribery, because
of money. But the fortunate thing is they

(15:41):
went back in, rearrested those guys, took out those judges and
made sure the kids were in a safe.
This is where. Haiti that was in Haiti, Yeah.
Port-au-Prince, Haiti. I assume that you have to be
careful. Between men and the rearrest and
squaring this away, you couldn'tgo back to Haiti because they
would be like, hey, you're on a wanted list for human
trafficking. Oh yeah, I was for a while.

(16:01):
It was funny. In fact, after they cleared it
all up, the head of the federal police guy I hit, Wendy, was
ahead. He was named his name Jim
Pototti. He ended up getting killed,
Goodman. But he called me up and he said
Paul. He said we need you back here in
Haiti. You were the closest to some of
these rings that we need to continue to take down this after
we rescued the 34 kids and I said, Jim, that I was on Haiti's

(16:22):
most wanted list for a little while, he said, yeah, He said
now you're Haiti's most protected.
I said. That doesn't make me feel good.
Of a switch. Don't worry because if you can
get protected that quick, you could probably get unprotected
that quick. You mentioned that he was
killed. Was that in relation to what
we're talking about now? I believe so.
On record, he died of a heart attack at the same two weeks

(16:44):
span that three other political leaders died of the same heart
attack. We and the family believes he
was poisoned. We were getting some pretty high
level stuff. He was just mad.
He was mad as hell that these four corrupt judges were let
out. A lot of the burning of the
tires in the streets and all that unrest that was happening a
number of years ago, that was atthat time.
He stood up when we were in the US after everything had come

(17:05):
down, the first lady was here. He stood up and he said, I don't
care if I lose my life, I don't care if I lose my job.
I'm going to fix the corruption in this country.
And so unfortunately, I believe he was in a precarious position
because he was identifying really who was top of it.
And by the way, the movie Operation Tucson, we can link in
the show notes because it's freely available and watchable

(17:27):
on YouTube. So that's.
Tou S aint We're saying it in the French way.
Operation to. Salt, so we'll link it in the
show notes. How did you get?
Trained to do this kind of thingbecause you're not a cop.
Even in the movie they're like, oh, here's this hedge fund guy
likes to play cop, Which is funny that you let them say that
about you. Why not?
It's true. I'm good with it, yeah.

(17:49):
We just like, hey, real estate portfolio is great and all that,
but what I would love to do is something slightly more boots on
the ground. For.
Decades and decades I've had a passion for hand to hand.
Combat training, gun training. I'm really good with a firearm
and got hundreds of them myself.But undercover, you don't take

(18:09):
firearms, but the majority of the skill set isn't the fact you
know how to fight. And 70 undercover rescue
missions. We've seen the traffickers
fight. We've been in some very
dangerous positions, very dangerous and times where I
thought we're gonna have to use it.
I've trained for a long time in something called Krav Maga.
Yeah, the Israeli self-defense. For the listeners that aren't

(18:30):
familiar so regular martial arts, karate and others bout
your sensei 3 points when you kick him in the leg.
Krav is brick to their head and go home to your family.
It's Israeli special forces handto hand combat.
It's the most lethal I know of on earth.
Every move. A lot of them are illegal in the
ring and you know where to hit them, where to punch them, that
it's lights out. They don't walk, they don't
breathe, They don't talk anymore.

(18:51):
And I can take away a gun fasterthan they can pull the trigger
every time. I've trained thousands and
thousands of iterations of beingable to handle other people's
weapons when presented, So that kind of thing.
A lot of our undercover operators, the guys who were
just trained with night vision goggles and their Navy SEAL
stuff, they weren't as good. The guys who knew how to handle
themselves in any situation withtheir bare hands were super

(19:14):
valuable. So that from a security
standpoint, that was important. From the other part of the
equation though. So I'm going to back you up.
About a year before the ColumbiaRescue Mission, I was, I
actually called Sean Reyes. He's the attorney general, and
he and I became friends years before I was serving on the
board of directors for the FBI Citizens Academy.
I'd gone through a bunch of training with them and crap.

(19:35):
And so I called him up. I said right, I got front row
tickets to the Miss America pageant.
You want to go, in his exact words, he said.
Hutch, unlike you, I have a reputation to uphold.
He said I can't be seen front row Miss America just doesn't
work. I said no, it's not like that.
I said I'm sponsoring a bunch ofthe children who lost their
fathers in military battle. And we're paying for the dresses

(19:58):
and hair and transportation of these little girls and their
moms to come. And we're having them crowned to
Miss America on stage. And he goes, wow, that's pretty
dope, I'll come to that. So we fly out to this Miss
America thing because it was a fallen soldier charity.
The Pentagon had sent a representative down.
His name was John. John worked for the CIA for
about 25 years as a top recruiter.

(20:20):
After three days, John says to me, we're sitting at a table, me
and Sean and couple former Miss Americas and John says he said,
Mr. Hutchinson, I've been watching you for the last three
days and I think your country can use your talents and I said
what talents are those? He said you're about one in
every 12 million has what I see in you, he says.

(20:42):
We call it a chameleon. He said your ability to
immediately break down the barrier of communication and
become best friends with that billionaire, a bum on the street
or a runway model is something we don't see very often at all,
he said. Imagine this, we fly you to
Dubai, we line you up with some dirty money guys, You get the
information we need, you'll havethe perfect backstop.
You run a multi billion dollar fund and I ended up turning them

(21:04):
down when they called a few months later because I didn't
want to put my life in danger for some white collar crime guys
in Dubai. Fast forward a year later,
Sean's in a meeting with Tim andsome others and they're like,
OK, we need somebody who can help fund this and who can play
this role. And that's when Sean said, well
have you ever met Paul Hutchinson?
Romney's son was there and I wasn't there in the meeting but

(21:25):
I heard and Josh said, oh, Paul would be perfect.
And I told him both. I said you know what, I don't
think that's a compliment. You guys both think that I'd be
a good undercover pedophile. Who looks like a pedo.
And is really convincing Paul Hutchinson.
It's a funny compliment indeed. You're listening to the Jordan
Harbinger Show with our guest Paul Hutchinson.

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Now back to Paul Hutchinson. How do you?
Even begin to get in touch with the right people, the
traffickers, right? I would imagine you can't just
walk down the streets of Cartagena and be like, hey, I'm
looking for some underage kids, no.
Where does it begin? It begins #1.

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Coming into country, meeting with the head of the federal
police and the guys that you cantrust and say, okay, where is
the most dangerous area of the city at the most dangerous time?
Those are the guys that you wantto connect with.
Those are what I call level one guys.
They're the guys selling cocaineat 2:00 in the morning in the
Super dangerous areas. You've got to be able to handle

(25:45):
yourself in those spaces. And so you're a white guy in a
third world country in the most dangerous area at midnight.
There's something on, right? Yeah.
These guys are like, OK, this guy is effed up and you're
acting like you're on something.You're not normal to be in that
area. So you're acting like you're
somewhat drunk or high or whatever else and you're like,
what up, What are you doing? Hey, what do you want some
drugs? I said no, no, we're out of

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that. But hey, I'm looking for
something. Maybe you can connect me with
who has what I'm looking for andthen you get to a Level 2.
The level 2 are usually pimps, the level Two's own women and
have access to children. For example, in a recent one
this pimp, she was a Madam and she had about 8 girls working
for, but she was also selling children to the Chinese and she

(26:29):
had access from some other places from where these children
were coming from. What do you mean selling
children to the Chinese? You have to expand that.
Yeah, I say selling, renting them out.
So the Chinese in the area were flying in and she was renting
out children to the Chinese. She was at what we call Level 2.
And every situation, every single city that we go into, we
get to those really dark level twos, usually from the guys in

(26:52):
the Super dangerous areas, thoseLevel 2 guys, they have access
to the kids, but we've got to find where they're getting them
from. We've got to get to that Level
3. And so the Level 3 will be the
one who is physically holding the children.
And so in Haiti, for example, couple drug dealer guys at a
super dangerous area, the guy onthe motorcycle with the gun and

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he makes a phone call, gets us in, he got us to this Level 2.
Her name was D she was running the strip club.
She was renting out kids, but she had too busy of a life.
She wasn't holding the kids. So we had to get from her to
wherever she was getting the kids.
So a Level 3 physically holds them.
We have to get there so we can geotag the location of wherever
they're holding the kids or get them to bring them to something

(27:37):
so that we can do the same, because that's the whole goal.
You've got to arrest the pedophiles, you've got to
takedown the trafficking networks, and you've got to
rescue the children. You've got to pull them out of
hell. But that was what we did for 10
years. Now my biggest focus is fixing
the demand side, because just doing all of that's not going to
fix the problem. It's not going to fix it.
Right. It's like burning a cocaine

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field. OK, fine.
There's plenty of other places we can get the same type of
product, cocaine or children. You have to fix the demand side,
which seems impossible. I was going to say it was
probably easier to fix. Demand side for pedophiles than
cocaine because demand is lower.But I don't even know if that's
true. Trafficking.
Human trafficking is the fastestgrowing criminal enterprise in

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the world. And now the second most
profitable. Surpass the illegal arms trade.
It's soon going to surpass the drug trade.
And you you see this on the movie we had, Jim Cavies will
say this line. You can sell a bag of cocaine
once. You can sell a child 5 or 10
times a day for the next 5 or 10years.
And the demand is there. That's what's sick.

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There was more money made last year in human trafficking than
all of the airlines of the planet combined.
It's billions and billions they figure in.
Human trafficking as a whole is about 100 billion. 100.
And $50 billion per year business 150.
Billion. But that includes all
trafficking. This is where people who are
either misinformed or disingenuous.

(28:59):
And I'm by the way, I'm not accusing you of this.
I'm just saying it's all over the Internet.
They'll say it's $150.00 per your business Selling kids for
sex. No, that's all human
trafficking. So adult labor trafficking,
people smuggling the others across borders for economic
reasons. It's not selling kids for sex.
That's actually a relatively small part of it.
The problem is. What if it's only a billion
dollar per year business? That's still way too big of a

(29:23):
business for way too disgusting of a crime.
Absolutely. When people ask me questions
about, oh, tell me about a Drainer chroma, is that true?
I said, listen, I'm not going down any roads of anything that
I haven't seen myself, but what I have seen is bad enough.
An 11 year old being sold to me as a virgin by itself is bad
enough. That's something that we can

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fix. So yeah, even if it's a billion
dollar a year industry, that's bad enough.
But the thing that nobody's talking about, because we're all
thinking all this is the thing we need to send Rambos down to
Columbia to fix the problem. Guess what the problem is likely
in your own home or in your neighbor's home or whatever.
The problem with child sexual abuse is rampant is everywhere.

(30:06):
And so people ask me, what do wedo about this?
Hug your kids. Why?
Because the highest likelihood of a child that gets traffic,
traffic is one that's a runaway,a broken family, things like
that. So having that healthy
relationship, and even more thanthat, having a relationship with
your kids where you can communicate with them where they
feel comfortable coming in and saying, hey, you want Dad, I

(30:26):
don't like hugging Uncle Harry. Having that relationship with
them where they can be in tune with their feelings and be OK
with sharing when they're uncomfortable with something,
that's way more important than sending money for some Navy
Seal's to go into Columbia. Yeah, I agree.
I'm glad to hear you say that. Because what I was shocked to
learn when I started researchingthis more is that a large amount
of trafficking, of course, happened to the United States,

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and a large portion of those kids are what are called
throwaway kids who are trading. Sex for a place to stay.
Food because they were kicked out of their house, because they
came out as gay to their parents, or they ran away
because they're in an abusive situation And most kids were
actually trafficked by family orsomebody that they knew, or
somebody who was pretending to be someone they could trust,

(31:07):
like a boyfriend or other sort of family member and a.
Lot of the kids. Who are trafficked in the United
States. They actually go to school,
which I found really surprising because what you think is it's,
oh, it's a kid from. Central America?
Who's been illegally smuggled in?
Not really. There was a.
Woman who gave a Ted talk on trafficking.
She went to my high school, which was in like an affluent

(31:27):
area of Michigan. She had good parents, but some
boyfriend She had got her drunk,dirty pictures of her when she
was in high school and was like,I'm going to get your dad fired
from his job if you don't do what I say.
So she snuck out every night andwas turning tricks and giving
this guy the money. Basically, that's what most
trafficking looks like. And this is while she was in
high school. So most trafficking looks like
that. I guess that's where some of the

(31:49):
criticism comes in for Sound of Freedom, which I would love to
discuss with you. I know we talked about a pre
show, which is a lot of experts.They're challenging Sound of
Freedom. They're saying, hey, this paints
an inaccurate, sensationalized picture of child trafficking.
It's not kids stolen from a modeling shoot from Honduras and
smuggled to Colombia or some other place.
It's the stuff happening at homeor near home.

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What do you think about that? Absolutely.
Now, I will say this, the thingsthat we showed on the movie
happened. No, Tim didn't kill that guy.
In fact, that's a whole other stories, a whole other country,
whole other child and a whole other team that went in there.
For them, however, those things do happen, but they're not the
norm. Everybody that was there were
really bad guys. The stories of the children

(32:33):
really happened on different rescue missions that we did of
how those children were taken and brought in.
But the majority of children that are being trafficked today,
the majority of them actually sleep in their own bed at night.
That's something that people arelike, what?
They're sleeping. No.
Yeah, they do. They sleep in their own bed at
night. They're being trafficked by
their mom. They're being groomed by their

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uncle. Their babysitter is telling
them, hey, you're going to lose your virginity anyway if you
lose it through these guys, you can make some money.
That's what's really going on, and that's what we have to be
aware of. And yes, I'm happy that the
sound of Freedom is doing so well, primarily because I'm part
of it and an executive producer and investor, but more
importantly so that it can at least start the conversations so

(33:15):
that people can say, OK, now I'mmotivated, what do I do?
The worst thing that you can do is go try to be a Rambo in Latin
America and go find kids. That is the absolute worst thing
you could do. Second worst thing you can do is
decide you're going to just randomly fund whatever
organization says that they're being Rambos and going and
rescuing kids because half of them that money is going to pay
for somebody's ego and somebody's logo and not

(33:37):
necessarily directly to where the problem is.
But the best thing you can do istake a look at what's going on
in your own neighborhood with your own kids.
Maybe your kids friends who suddenly have a change of energy
and they're super low self esteem and everything changed
about their outgoing nature and you're wondering what's really
going on there. Maybe talking to their parents
and maybe their parents have thechallenge or it's an uncle,

(33:59):
whatever. That's the most common thing and
that's what we need to be aware of as parents.
I think there's something to that.
Also, I looked at some of these.Organizations, a lot of them are
not nonprofits, which is alreadysketchy, and some of the ones
that are nonprofits, you can look on Charity Navigator and
find what the executive compensation is, and it's a
little gross. A lot of times people say like

(34:20):
my parents the other day were like I can't believe the CEO of
the Red Cross makes $698,000 andI had to explain that that
person could work at a Fortune 500 company and you'd be adding
a 0 or maybe more than one zero to that figure for their
compensation. Because the International Red
Cross is a massive organization,there's a lot of moving parts.

(34:41):
That person is a lot of specialized knowledge.
They're probably coming off a 20or 30 year career running
companies and they took a massive pay cut, like 90 plus
percent to. On something like the
International Red Cross. But a lot of these organizations
that do this that rescue kids are really small.
And then the compensation is still $600,000 and you go, wait
a minute, this is like a large double digit percentage of the

(35:03):
operating budget goes to the salary of one or two people.
That to me is very grifty. So you have to be very careful
where you put your money if you're donating to these causes,
100%. In fact, for the last five
years, my foundation, the Child Liberation Foundation, didn't
have overhead. Now granted I wasn't bringing in
outside money either. It was a 501C3 that I would put

(35:25):
my own money and whenever I wanted to donate and then it
would go there and it would donate money from it as a fund
to fund type of a thing to otherfoundations that were vetted and
specifically to operations. I hate writing checks for just
putting it into their foundationbecause I don't know where it
goes. I don't have the see through.
And so instead I have them present to me, OK, this is what

(35:45):
the plan is. We're going to build this
healing retreat or this safe house for the kids, or we're
going to do this operation. This is our Intel on it, and
it's going to take this many guys to go in and take down this
pedophile ring or whatever it is.
Those things. I'll say, OK, I'll fund that.
I'll give you 20,000 for that. I'll give you 50,000 for that
because I know that it's going directly to the cause.
It's not going to pad somebody'spocket.

(36:06):
Yeah, I think that's important. But not everybody has the
ability to do that, right. They just Google.
Child rescue. Or they see somebody on a
podcast like this and they're like, oh, let me donate to this
guy. And I also got duped by this
kind of thing in the past where I'll have somebody on and
they'll say, oh, we're doing allthis stuff.
And then you find out they're making 600 grand a year.
Their wife and kids are also on the board of the organization,
getting paid, and they travel byprivate jet and they're like,

(36:28):
wait a minute, I thought, you'resupposed to be?
Kicking down doors. And then you realize this is
part of the criticism of the movie, right?
As they say, hey, this is the sensationalized version of this
problem. It covers less than 1% of the
issue. And I don't necessarily agree
with that criticism. Yes, it's probably a small part
of it, but it's hard to do a movie where the trafficking is
really boring in milquetoast andmundane, yet really damaging,

(36:50):
because nobody wants to go and see that.
So I understand. I get it well and understand
this. The movie was actually toned
down from some of the things that really happen when you're
going in and you're meeting withpeople who are selling children.
These are not nice people. Now, yeah, they did a good job
with the jungle scene. But these guys, there's been

(37:10):
multiple cases where we have metwith some super bad people.
There was guys that had eyes on us, that had guns on us and one
wrong move. I had one situation.
I'm telling you what Jordan, this was the closest I came to
diet. I was with this trapper.
He was super high level trafficker and everybody is
referring us to one guy who thenworked for him.
He says this is my boss's boss, This guy was smart and he says

(37:32):
to me after we told him what we're looking for and he already
had a bunch of these kids, he said give me your business card.
And so I hand him my business card and him looking at my
business card, he said tell me your phone number now.
If I didn't have my undercover phone number memorized like my
own, I would have been shot for sure right there.
And it had my phone number, a fake phone number, a web page

(37:52):
and everything else. And then he said, take out your
phone. And I took out my phone.
He used to show it to him, and I'm showing him his, my phone.
And he dials my undercover phonenumber on my card.
Fortunately, I was smart enough to have everything tied in,
where boom, his phone number rings on my phone and he smiles.
He goes, I like you, he says, Now let me show you.
And he took us where the kids were, etcetera, the federal

(38:14):
agents in that country. When I typed up the report that
night, the next morning, I'd miss 9 phone calls.
They're like, get out. I'm like what we've been trying
to get with this guy for three years, and you got his phone
number within 24 hours in the country.
These are the kind of things that happen when you're going up
against these guys who are really, truly selling trafficked

(38:35):
and kidnapped children. But the reality is the majority
of the problem that we need to fix this society is not just
liberating a 10 year old from the trafficker's hands in
Honduras. It's liberating the 10 year old
inside of every twenty 3040 yearold man or woman who's dealing
with childhood trauma. And dealing with this fact that
most of our children at some point in their childhood are in

(38:58):
a precarious position with somebody who potentially could
be a pedophile or could be harming them physically or
verbally. I did see quite a bit of
criticism before I went to go see the movie, and a lot of it
hinges on hey. The film portrays children being
snatched and kidnapped by strangers.
And of course that. But it's like you said, a myth

(39:18):
that most traffickers target victims that they don't know.
And I verified this. the US National Human Trafficking
Hotline actually said most victims are trafficked by
somebody that they do know, so it's not where somebody gets
nabbed in a Target parking lot. I think the criticism is
well-intentioned though, right? It's the idea that if human
trafficking or child traffickinginvolves forceful kidnapping and

(39:39):
imprisonment, it makes it harderfor people to grasp.
More complex trafficking cases, just from a legal perspective,
if you've got a case of, let's say, coercion or psychological
manipulation, which is usually what gets people trafficked,
children especially, and the jury is expecting a Liam Neeson
movie. You're not going to get a
conviction, and it makes it harder for survivors.

(40:02):
Wait, so this person just said they were going to do bad things
to you, but you were related to them and then you did all this
stuff? I don't know.
That doesn't sound like that doesn't sound like what I have
in my head. We have the same problem with
DNA evidence in trials, right? Everybody's seen so much damn
CSI that when somebody has a bunch of evidence, the
prosecutor has a bunch of evidence, they'll go, where's
the DNA evidence? But DNA evidence?

(40:23):
We don't need DNA of evidence. We have a body.
We have a weapon. We have a motive.
The alibi doesn't hold up in thelike.
If there's no DNA evidence, thenyou should be able to get that
really easily. Because I watched CSI Miami and
they always have DNA evidence. They found a hair in the parking
lot. And it's like, that's the
criticism that people. Are leaning into, but I get it,
Paul. I get it.
Because we want to believe that the people who are selling

(40:44):
children and trafficking children for sex are the people
in the movie, right? Scorpion tattoo on the face.
It makes people really uncomfortable to think.
And, myself included, it makes me uncomfortable to think that
some of these things happen in your own neighborhood by the
person that you think is probably just a normal guy in a
normal house with normal kids, or somebody run into it at

(41:06):
Starbucks. Yeah, it is.
And a lot of times this family members, you have to be super
careful. And I have family members that
were raped by their father, by their grandfather that nobody
even knew about until they were adults.
In fact, the average age of somebody who comes out and says
and admits or tells other peoplethat they were sexually abused

(41:26):
as children, the average age is 52 years old.
That's my age. I've got grandkids.
If you've held on to that kind of trauma your whole life, how
does it come out? Was it coming out in verbal
abuse? In in anger issues?
In sometimes physical abuse? Literally two out of every three
people, God bless them. If they were abused as children.
Two out of every three are able to grow up and never pass that

(41:49):
on. In fact, most of them use it as
a motivation to make sure that children are protected in their
life. However, 1/3 of people who are
abused in any way as children become contact offenders
themselves pass that abuse on and so.
People ask me a lot, Jordan, Paul, how can you go face to
face with somebody selling you achild and not have them see your

(42:12):
anger and your hatred? And my answer surprises them and
it pisses them off sometimes. And this is what it is.
There's a part of me that feels some compassion.
You have compassion. They're selling you a child.
No. I will do everything in my power
to ensure they never hurt another child again.
But what I wish more than anything is that I had a time
machine could go back ten years or 15 years or 20 before they

(42:35):
ever hurt a child or touched a child.
What if we could go back to thatpoint and say, okay, what is it
about your childhood that we need to work through?
What do we need to fix in your life that's leading you down
this dark road? Now, that's not an excuse for
anybody who's ever passed it on.There's no excuse there.
However, there's no such thing as a time machine.
But there are hundreds of millions of people today.

(42:58):
Who have not yet passed on theirtrauma in any way that if we
could have a compassionate heartand come forward and say okay
these kids in elementary school and junior high school and high
school that had some challenges,were abused as children.
Can we help them? Can we put together programs for
them so that they can truly let go of that trauma and not bring

(43:21):
it into their adulthood where they could ever pass it on?
Those are the ones that we should have compassion for and
help. Then the next generation won't
have this massive amount of generational trauma being passed
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I went to see the movie. A lot of people were like, oh,
this is Q and on adjacent. And I was like, oh gosh, I'm not
gonna go see that. And then I I went to go see it
because I needed to sort of hearfor myself.
I actually didn't get that messaging at all.
As people know from the show, I am not interested in Q and on

(48:23):
conspiracy theories, we debunk that disinformation all the
time. I'm very vocal that those people
are batshit crazy believing in. A lot of this stuff I've
researched when this movie was produced and filmed is actually
produced before Q, and one was really a thing.
If it is skewing on adjacent, it's purely coincidental because
the whole movement started afterthe movie was produced.

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There's no tie within the movie itself or the original
producers. There's nothing.
The only ties that people are getting is the fact that Jim
Cavisel, who plays the Homeland Security agent in the movie,
Jim, has spoken at some of thoseconferences.
And Jim believes a lot of those things.
And I'm not dishing him for his beliefs there.
But when people ask me, do you believe that stuff, I say,

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listen, I'm sorry. But I'm going to tell you
exactly what I have seen, and that's bad enough.
So all of this other crap about people drinking blood and
adrenachrome or even the Q Anon stuff where now understand this.
I've voted right pretty much my whole adult life.
But this is not a political issue.

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It's not. And anybody that would make this
a political issue is going down the wrong path.
It shouldn't divide us. This subject should unite us.
All of us can come together and say, okay, this motivated me and
woke me up about, hey, there's probably problems out there.
Let me get some more informationabout really what's going on and

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how can we come together in a spirit of unity to truly help to
liberate humanity as a whole from whatever this dark play is
that's affecting our children. That's not political.
So yeah, the only reason why people are tying it is because
some of the people involved in the movie have spoken at some of
those conferences are involved with that.

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Yeah, that's very diplomatic wayof putting it.
And good job, because this is definitely where the audience
was going to decide if you're insane or not.
But it's also a tough one, because on the one hand, and I'm
not, again, I'm totally not accusing you of this, It helps
sales when tons of conspiracy theorists buy tickets for your
movie. So do I want to discourage that?
But on the other hand, it does damage the cause that you're
passionate about. When people say there's

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trafficking, but then they follow it up with an insane
theory about how Hillary Clintonis drinking kids blood in the
basement of a pizza. Parlor in order to stay young or
whatever and people will throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I was almost one of these people, they'll say.
Well, crazy Uncle Frank is the one who told me about the
trafficking problem. But then she thinks there's
microchips in every vaccine and that chemtrails are changing our

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DNA so we can write off anything.
That crazy Uncle Frank. Says it's a logical fallacy to
do this, but that's how people operate.
It's the genetic fallacy. But at the same time, if
somebody says crazy shit all thetime and they get one thing, you
don't go. Oh, let me investigate that.
You just go. I don't even want to hear it
anymore. Frank, have a good day.
And that's the worst thing that can happen with this division.

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Is for people to, as you say, throw out the baby with the bath
weather. We can't allow the crap that's
out there that's trying to divide us on this principle.
The kids are something that we can all come together.
I tell people I don't care if you're white or black or rich or
poor or fat or skinny or it doesn't matter.
We are all one people. We are all one, in fact the very

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thing that is at the root. Of trafficking and of sexual
exploitation, of children. The thing at the root, it starts
with when we look at each other as anything other than that
divine light of God that is in each one of us, I see everybody
as an equal. It doesn't matter if they're a

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woman, if they're a different color than me, if they're a
different country, it doesn't matter.
And This is why pornography is challenging for people is
because when you take a woman from a divine feminine to an
object, and you start objectifying that, and you
dehumanize that intimacy and that connection, that's what
takes people down this road of now dehumanizing more.

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And so when we're looking at each other and seeing each other
as anything other than the divine light that's in us, then
we start going down that road. And this division is not going
to help this problem. It's going to exacerbate.
You said exacerbate. But I feel like we should leave
that in, because that is a funnythat is a funny flub in the
context of this, yes. How much?

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How much does it cost to do these rescue operations?
Changing the subject because I'mgoing to start giggling.
In fact, I'll answer that with this question.
This is a beautiful story. I just got married two months
ago. And I met my wife about five
years ago. We were in Haiti.
I had done the undercover work for the 34 kids that were there.
Did you meet your wife in Haiti?We met in Haiti.

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You don't hear that every day. Yeah.
Well, and here's the thing. Meeting a beautiful Colombian
actress is cool, but when she's donating her time at an
orphanage in Haiti, that's badass.
And I've been to Haiti a lot andgirls like that aren't there.
The girls have beautiful hearts there, but you don't find it.
Actress level, just gorgeous. But she had a heart, like a huge
heart and it was like, wow, OK An example of that in terms of

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how much it costs for the kids is a few months later we were
going to a gala. It was one where I needed my
tuxedo. She didn't have a gala dress, so
I took her shopping and we foundthis beautiful dress.
It was a huge expense. It was about $2000 and she looks
at the tag and she said Paul, what's the average cost of
rescuing one of these traffic children?

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I said average. It cost us average about $2000 A
child is what it cost, she said.I'm not wearing a child.
She said you can buy me a $200.00 dress and stick and we
can donate the rest of the moneyto the foundation.
I'm like, oh, that's my girl right there because my my past
relationships all were all aboutLouis Vuitton shoes and all this
crap and she's like, no, I'm notwearing a child.

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That's the average cost. In fact, one of my undercover
operators, one of the best ones,he came into my office years ago
and he said, Paulie said I want to fund a mission.
What does it cost? I said the average cost is about
$25,000 per mission. And we we're averages 10 to 15
kids that were able to get on a mission.
He writes a check right there. He said here's 25,000, I want to
fund the mission and he hands itto me and he's now I want to go

(54:25):
with you on the mission. I gave him the check back.
I said, bro, you can't buy your way on a mission.
This is really, I said I've beentraining for decades, this is
super dangerous. You can't just show up here I
am. And he said, listen, you tell me
what I have to do. I don't care if it takes me 10
years to get to the point where I'm ready.
And so I gave him the phone number of my Krav Maga trainer.
And this guy, my trainer, he's one of the best.

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He's like one of only 10 that's qualified to go back to Israel
and train the trainers every year.
And so his name is Joseph. And Joseph calls me like 5-6
months later, he said Andy has been in every single day.
He's been training 2 to 3 hours a day.
He hits like a freight train. He said he's probably safer
undercover than most of your Navy Seal's.
So that's that two stories to answer the question of what it

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costs to rescue a child. That's just in our undercover
stuff. In 3rd world countries it's
about $2000. Who trains the undercover where
cuz Krav Maga hitting like a freight train is great, but the
idea is not to get caught and have to use Krav Maga to get out
of a sticky situation right likethat would be the most important
skill set, followed very distantsecond by the ability to not get

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killed doing it. Yeah, absolutely.
In fact, your goal is to not ever get in a place where you
have to use self-defense to dealwith it.
And so. Years ago we had about 350 guys
try out that were all people that wanted to do undercover.
The most of these guys were former special Forces.
These are Green Berets, Navy Seals, just badasses.
And they all came out to Utah and we had like a two week

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training type of a thing. There was only three of them out
of the 300 that ended up going undercover with this because
most people can't do that. We had one of our former CIA
guys who had been doing trainingwith them.
OK now. I want you to have a
conversation with me about, and it's a dark conversation, one
too dark for the radio, right, for us to be talking about here,
he said. I want you to say this and this

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without throwing up. And most of them can't.
Those are dark conversation. The very first time I went
undercover. And this trafficker leans
forward halfway through this meeting and he says, Pablo, I
have a gift for you. I said, really, what's your
gift? And he hands me his phone and
there's a picture of an 11 year old girl on the phone now in the
movie. That was depicted as Tim giving

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me the photo of the little girl and that convinced me in
reality, I was already there. I was already in that first
meeting with the traffickers. But that galvanized my
commitment. When he shows me this phone and
there's an 11 year old girl and he says she's still a virgin.
We call her Princess and he starts going down this road of
things I could do to this littlegirl.

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And I was like and the Navy SEALthat was behind me, he had to
excuse himself. He's like, I'm going to go check
out the perimeter, make sure that we're good.
He said later. He said I almost unholstered my
weapon and shot him right there.That girl looked like my
daughter at home, but I knew if I did would never get to the
rest of the kids. Yeah, you need acting chops and
you need to be able to think on your feet.
We've done many an episode with an undercover agent here and by

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the time your weapon is. Out, the cover is blown and
you're probably seconds from dying depending on how far your
team is away from you. Slash wherever you are, and that
makes a lot of sense. So the movie's just massive.
I know you're down in Honduras right now in Central America,
trying to spread the word about the movie itself.
How's that going? Yes, everybody here has already

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heard of it. The movie's been out three
weeks. Every TV station has already
heard about it. All the people at the
restaurants and this guy that's hosting me, he's running for
president down here, he introduced.
Everybody's already heard of themovie down here, and they're so
excited to see it, So excited. So what's next for me?
First of all, continuing to touraround and doing these
screenings with the film, that'spriority number one, is to make

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sure that the momentum that we saw in the US continues
everywhere so that we can start having the conversations that
could be had before. I was with a gal last night and
she said the thing that I like best about what you're doing
here is the fact that this is opening up the ability for us to
have conversations. Nobody wanted to talk about
trafficking before in any way. Now she was one that.

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Understands really what's going on in terms of the grooming and
the house and the 90 plus percent of people who are
trafficked or by a familiar member, etcetera, So she
understands that, she said. But I could never talk about it
because it was too dark for polite conversation.
Now this movie is making it so that the conversation is
somewhat palatable. So by continuing with this

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process, going around the world with this, now realize this.
I had zero social media for 10 years.
Zero. I couldn't.
I was doing all the undercover work and so.
I shut down Facebook, Instagram,all of this stuff, and it was
about six months ago where I decided I had just finished some
rescue missions in Ecuador. And I looked at the numbers and

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I realized there was more children being sold today than
there was 10 years ago. So if my goal.
Was to eradicate child trafficking.
If that's the commitment that I made when I'm sitting in front
of that little girl that was crying in Columbia, if that's
the commitment that I made, I wasn't doing a very good job
because there's still children and it's growing faster than

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what we're doing. And so I thought about it.
And I thought, you know what? First of all, I'm now in a
relationship that I really enjoyand I don't want to get shot.
And #2, everybody was pressuringme.
They're saying, Paul, you need to go out there and be the
voice. And I said, listen, I don't want
to be. I would be super happy with a
cabin on a river, with a garden and a gun, not having to deal

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with people. I don't want to do that.
But can it just be about the message and not the messenger?
Can I not be the messenger because that puts my family in
danger with me going public? And everybody, including my
family, is like, no, Paul, you have been there.
You've been in the pit of hell. You have seen the depravity of
what happens when people continue down this dark road.

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And you've got the credibility with the business world, with
the fun that you've built and the credibility in the
philanthropic world. Here.
You need to be the voice. And I told him.
I'm not interested in people coming to Paul Hutchinson
official calm. I'm not.
That's not me, OK? We're going to focus on
liberating humanity. So that's the answer to your
question. Where to from here is liberating

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humanity, whatever that looks like.
I'm pulling together anybody whohas programs they've already
created to help people overcome childhood trauma, to help them
overcome sexual addictions, pornography, addictions, etc.
If I can pull together all of these tools in place and put
them on a platform of liberatinghumanity, then I can give people

(01:00:47):
the ability to break free from this low vibration that is
creating all of these challengesright now.
So that's what my goal is. I'm going to start speaking.
I haven't really spoke a lot, but I'm going to start speaking
on podcast. I actually had my personal
podcast just open today, very first day.
We'll see how it works. I'm just here just saying God

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lead me whatever I need to do. It's an admirable mission.
I really appreciate you coming on all the way from Honduras.
At GLAD we were able to clinch this one right in the middle of
the PR fury over Sound of Freedom and I really appreciate
your time. Thank you, Jordan.
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