February 15, 2025 • 47 mins
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S1 (00:08):
Hello, friends. Welcome to Open Line with Doctor Michael Clinic.
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and professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible
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now it's time to get yourself a cup of coffee
and grab your Bible for a very special Open Line
in 2023. We took Open Line on the road to
Eden Prairie, Minnesota, a suburb of Minneapolis, as part of
a Chosen People Ministries conference called Finding Shalom Peace in
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a Troubled World. Now our world is still troubled, and
that's why it's so important to keep studying the scriptures,
to see how the gospel speaks into all areas of
our lives. Seeing how the SA Shalom, the Prince of Peace,
can bring peace to a hurting and troubled world. What
we need to do is keep studying the scriptures, peace
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for our own souls, peace with God, peace with one another,
and around us is centered in Jesus, the Messiah, the
Prince of Peace. At the conference, I answered the questions
of the live audience there, and we met a few
of the people who were involved in the conference. So
before we get to these questions, I want to let
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it's time you can join me as we travel back
to 2023. To our first question asked at Wooddale Church
in Eden Prairie, Minnesota.
S2 (02:55):
I'm Walt from Bloomington, Minnesota. And what does it mean
that Jesus is God's begotten son? He's not created.
S1 (03:03):
Mhm. Yeah. He's definitely not created. He's the eternal Son
of God. I believe the concept of begotten ness comes, uh,
in Scripture from Psalm two, in Psalm two, a messianic
psalm which predicts the coming of the Messiah. It says, uh,
that the Lord said to me, uh, you are my
son this day I have begotten you. And it sounds like, oh,
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I've given birth to you, or you began. However, it's
a royal psalm. It's about an enthronement of a king. And, uh,
if you look at the ancient Near East in Egypt,
in various places, when Pharaoh became king, when they were enthroned.
And this is important as we're listening, uh, today is
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the day that Charles King Charles is being, uh, Crown. Right. Coronet.
It's his coronation day. Well, in the ancient Near East,
it was declared that a person, when he, uh. When
he had his coronation, he was declared the Son of God.
But the word that was used was I've begotten you.
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He was declared the Son of God and begotten of God.
It doesn't really mean I gave birth to you because
he was obviously born, but rather declared the Son of God.
It's an enthronement term. It indicates coronation. Uh, and particularly deity. So, uh,
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in that culture to say, uh, you're the begotten of God,
it means you are the eternal God. You have just
taken your throne. And of course, when you think about
the throne of Jesus, he. When is he going to
take his throne? He's taking his throne right now. He's
seated at the right hand of the father. He will
take his throne on the throne of David in the future. So.
And in the past. He's forever the Son of God.
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This is an eternal situation. He's been on the throne
of God forever. So therefore, this is sort of an
eternal statement. He's he is eternally enthroned as God, God
the Son. And so that is the concept it has
actually has to do with coronation as king and enthronement
as the Son of God, rather than giving birth to him. Okay.
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Of course, that makes him I love at Psalm two
at the end. This is really an important concept since
he is the son at the end of Psalm two.
It says this, uh, kiss or pay homage to the son,
lest he become angry. And you will, and you perish
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in your rebellion. That sounds bad, right? If you're. But
then it says. Blessed are all those who take refuge
in him. There's this great offer that we can put
our trust in him. Take refuge in him. Find protection
in him. And that's how we will bring joy and
happiness into our lives. Blessedness into our lives. So it's
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not enough to know that he's the eternally enthroned Son
of God. It's important to know that we need to
take refuge in him first, by putting our faith in him,
and then by living within his, uh, walking with him
as our King. So that's Psalm two.
S3 (06:20):
Yes, I'm Linda from Ely, Minnesota, and I've been wondering,
when did Moses write the Pentateuch? Was he in Sinai,
the wilderness? Did he have some of that knowledge when
he lived with Jethro? Um, just kind of wondering how
he put that all together.
S1 (06:35):
Yeah. Me too. Uh, you know, why did you think
he had to get the 70 elders there with him and.
And that whole system of tens of. Because he was
so busy writing the Bible. You know, I write books,
and I know I can't find any time. I can't
imagine what it would be like to be writing books
in the wilderness, right? Uh, people knock on his door. Moses,
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we have a question. He says, leave me. It's my
writing time. Uh, I think that he probably was writing.
There are different segments when he was writing, when he
had direct revelation, and he would write those things down. Also,
there were probably other times when, uh, he had resources
of some sort, things that he may have remembered from
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his upbringing, from, uh, Jochebed. Uh, you know, he was
raised in a in a nice Jewish home, even though
he was adopted by the Pharaoh's daughter. So he must
have had some materials that he had from that, I
think oral traditions that he had received from, uh, his
family about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And then he wrote
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these down as they were traveling. I think there was
a song by Keith Green that, you know. So you
want to go back to Egypt? Do you remember that song?
It was a long time ago. But he says what?
Moses sitting around writing the Bible. Well, that's exactly right.
That's what he was doing. So as he found time,
he wrote, I think, different segments. And by the end
of his wilderness wanderings, that's when he put it together.
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And one of the things that's really important when we
read the Pentateuch, this is not just the Daily Journal
of Moses. Uh, it's really clear that there is structure
in the Torah, in the in the Pentateuch, the Five
Books of Moses. It's really one book. And it's kind
of interesting because it follows a structural pattern. There's story
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or narrative followed by a poem, followed by an epilogue.
And it follows this structure four times through the Pentateuch.
So you can go Genesis one through 48. That's the
story of creation and the patriarchs. And then chapter 49,
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you've got this poetic piece by Jacob when he blesses
the 12, uh, 12 sons. And then chapter 50, The
Death of Jacob and Joseph. And that's the epilogue, and
that's the structure. And then with Exodus, you start the
narrative again. You get the the Exodus narrative, the story
of the departure from Egypt. You have the Song of Moses,
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and then you have traveling to Sinai as an epilogue.
And this continues through the Pentateuch. So you have narrative
poem epilogue. And why is this important? It shows that
Moses took all these materials that he was writing, and
structured them in a very clear way to lead us
to the end of the book, which has a double
poem by Moses, the two songs of Moses, and then
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the epilogue, which is the the, the death of Moses
at the end, and the reminder to keep looking for
the prophet like Moses. So that's that's the structure of
the book. Okay.
S3 (09:42):
Thank you.
S1 (09:43):
Um.
S4 (09:44):
Hi, I'm Aaron from Rogers, Minnesota. Question is from Zephaniah
three nine. What is the pure language or pure? Pure speech?
Could it be Hebrew?
S1 (09:54):
Yeah. It's a language of heaven, don't you think? Yeah.
Uh uh, I often wonder what was the original language
before the. The Tower of Babylon? Right where they all
were broken up. I'm guessing they were all speak in Hebrew,
because that's what Adam and Eve were speaking in, in Genesis, right? Actually,
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we don't know. That's how Moses wrote it. I don't
know what the pure speech is. Uh, I have a
lot of jokes that Russian Jews used to tell. I
won't tell them on the radio about about learning Hebrew
versus speaking Russian. I won't repeat them. But the they
were so much oppression in Russia. They were really looking
forward to the language of heaven in the land of Israel.
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And so when they were trying to get out. So, uh, yeah, I,
I don't know what the language of heaven is, but, uh,
or the original language, the IR language. I would guess
it may may have sounded a lot like Hebrew if
it wasn't Hebrew. Okay. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take
a break here. And when we come back, we're going
to take more of these questions from this wonderful live
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audience here in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. My name is Michael Redlich.
This program is called Open Line, and it's our Bible
study across America. So keep listening because there's more questions
coming up straight ahead. We'll be right back. Welcome back
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to Open Line with Michael Riedel. We're pre-recorded today, so
don't call in. We're listening to a program from 2023
when Open Line traveled to Minnesota at a Chosen People
Ministries conference called Finding Shalom in a Troubled World, hosted
by Wooddale Church. Let's listen in.
S5 (11:51):
I'm David Johnson. I actually know the answer. I wrote
this for others. What is a completed Jew? Okay, and
there's two of them sitting at the table.
S1 (11:58):
Okay. I am a completed Jew. Uh, that's a term
that some people use. It's actually a reactionary term. Uh,
because so often Jewish people have been called who come
to faith in Jesus. In Yeshua, we are called converted Jews.
And the problem with the word converted is for Jewish people.
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That means that I've converted from being Jewish, and I
have now become a Gentile. And that's not true. I
will always be Jewish. In fact, my faith is now
complete because Jewish people are looking forward to. I was
raised to look forward to the coming of the Messiah,
and now I understand the Messiah has come. My faith
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is complete. I've put my trust in Yeshua. I once
heard someone say, I've converted from my sin, not from
being Jewish, and it's no sin to be a Jew. So, uh,
that that's, uh, one, one approach. And some people call
some call Messianic Jews, call ourselves Messianic Jews. Uh, some
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call ourselves fulfilled Jews. Some people say we are Jewish
followers of Yeshua. There's all sorts of terms that we use,
but the term that we stay away from, if we can,
is converted Jews, because that is different. It when Jewish
people hear it, it's it says something different than when
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other people hear it. We hear we cease to be
Jews and that will never be the case. God made
us Jewish and our destiny as Jews. That makes us, uh,
complete in our in our faith is faith in the
Jewish Messiah, Jesus. And so that's that's why we use
those other terms.
S5 (13:41):
May I put in a plug for Marty.
S1 (13:43):
Yeah. Put Marty gets us here.
S5 (13:45):
I've heard him many times at community Bible study with
Tom Berkowitz. Always dragged him in here. And I've got
several CDs, and I'll be shocked if he doesn't have
CDs to sell out there.
S1 (13:55):
Okay, there we go. They're going to sell CDs for
Marty gets. Marty gets is my friend everyone listening on
the radio? Marty gets is my friend for, oh, 35,
36 years. And I was just noting that he'd never
listened to Open Line before. And now this is my
really good friend, is all I'm saying. Okay. So anyway,
thank you, Marty, for doing that. And thanks for the plug.
S5 (14:17):
We're going to go away. I'm not getting a commission.
S1 (14:19):
Okay, good. Thank you.
S6 (14:21):
Hi, I'm Nancy from Waukesha, Wisconsin. So I guess this
is another language question here. But in John 21 when
Peter and Jesus are talking, Jesus asks Peter, do you
love me? And the Greek words are agape and phileo,
denoting different levels of love. In the original language, you know,
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maybe Hebrew or Aramaic. What would those words be, do
you think for agape?
S1 (14:46):
And let me just say that the only thing we
have to interpret are the Greek words. And so I
am a firm believer that we ought not to try
to go back to the Aramaic words that might have
been spoken that happened in the events there. But what
what is inspired? What is inspired? Revelation is the written text.
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You know, it doesn't say that those events were inspired.
It says all Scripture is inspired or God breathed. So
we're going to stick to those words. Now, what I
will tell you is this in John 21, uh, this
is actually one of my favorite passages because it gives
hope to all failures like me, because Peter really failed.
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How many times did he deny the Lord? Three times.
Peter always had to do everything in threes. You know,
how many times did he have to be told to
eat later on when he had that vision of the
unclean animals three times. He's just a three time kind
of guy. And it took a lot to get into
his head. Well, anyway, he denied the Lord three times.
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And then three times he's asked, do you love me?
And each time he says, yes, Lord, you know I
love you, I love you. And a lot of people
want to make a big deal that the Lord is
using the word agape or agapao, because that means unconditional love.
And Peter answers with the word phileo, which means friendship, love. However,
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that is what those words meant in classical Greek. By
the time you get to Koine Greek, the language of
the New Testament. They are absolute synonyms. There is no difference.
And so all those sermons you may have heard about
agape versus Phileo. They were misinterpreting those words. Wow. Uh,
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but there is significance because three times the Lord asks Peter,
do you love me? And three times he's given an
opportunity to affirm his love for the Lord. After his
three denials, remember what he does. He's he's seen the
risen Lord. He says, I'm going back to where I
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used to be. Uh, and he he goes back to
being a fisherman. I'm going fishing. It leads the other
disciples with him. Remember, he was the one that Lord
said to him, I will make you fishers of men.
And now he's going back to being a fisher of fish.
And the Lord looks at him and says, do you
love me more than these? A lot of people mistakenly
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understand him to be pointing at the other disciples. Do
you love me more than them? Does that sound like
like the Lord Jesus? I'm going to compare your love
to the other disciples. No, he's pointing at the fishing boat.
At the nets. Do you love me more than all these?
Accouterments of fishing. And three times Peter gets to say
I love you. And then each time he's commissioned. Feed
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my sheep. Tend my sheep. Shepherd my sheep. What is
he doing? He's restoring him to ministry after his great failure. That's.
It's a great passage. But it has nothing to do
with the words agapao and phileo.
S6 (18:00):
Thank you so much.
S7 (18:02):
I'm Stephanie from Maple Plain, Minnesota. I have a family
member who struggles to accept that God designed a system
or a reality where we are destined to be born
sinful and we must ask to be saved. He likens
it to throwing a baby in the pool and expecting
them to ask for help. The idea of our free
will being essential for a love relationship doesn't satisfy him
because he says, God set it up that way, and
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he gave me my rational mind to question this and
to struggle. I think that he hasn't been overwhelmed by
God's good goodness so he can trust God's sovereignty and
his plan. And so I pray for him. But do
you have an answer for this confusion that he has?
S1 (18:38):
Just clarify again, what's his objection that that.
S7 (18:41):
God set up this system. So I'm born sinful and
I have to accept forgiveness or request forgiveness. He agrees.
It's a free gift. Salvation is offered to us. But
why did God set it up this way?
S1 (18:52):
Did you ever think that God didn't set it up
this way?
S7 (18:55):
I don't know.
S1 (18:56):
Well, think about it. He created Adam and Eve, told them.
Don't eat from this tree over here. You can eat
from every other one. And they opted not to listen.
And that's how the system got started. So God's intention
was for them to obey him. However, they didn't. And
as a result, we all sin in Adam. He. He's
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our our head. He's our leader. He's the one that
voted for us to be sinful. Now, I'm not saying
that God didn't know that would happen, because the scriptures
say that Jesus is the lamb slain before the foundation
of the world. So before the first brick was laid
in this world, the Lord knew what they were going
to do and knew he was going to plan a
plan a redemption, uh, for us. But, you know, it
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was not his desired will for Adam and Eve to sin.
And yet they did. And as a consequence, we sin. Um, but,
you know, I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
If you're going to think. I don't want to believe this.
I don't want to trust in this, we'll say, oh, boy,
this is a bad plan that God has set up. However,
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if we think I am desperate and I am drowning,
and God has given me a life preserver here, and
he has planned this life preserver from eternity past, and
he wants me to grasp Ahold of it. Uh, and
he's going to even as and this is what's really
amazing is he opens our hearts to believe, just like
he did with Lydia in Acts 16. Uh, how is it, uh,
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that that's how as, uh, there was a movie I saw,
Count of Monte Cristo. How was this a bad plan?
It seems like a good plan. However, I know the response. Well,
if God has to open my opened my heart for
me to believe this. He needs to give me the enablement,
divine enablement to believe. Then, just like in Romans nine, well,
why does he still find fault with those who don't believe?
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Who can resist his will? And I don't have the
answer for that. When I read that in Romans nine,
the very first time, I was like, wow, I'm really
going to get the answer I've always wanted. And then
then the next verse says, who are you, O man,
to talk back to God? And the answer God has
about his sovereign plan for opening hearts and choosing and
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predestining and all that is, uh, don't talk back to God.
That's it.
S7 (21:11):
And so pride comes into play.
S1 (21:13):
Yeah. Yeah. But God opens our hearts and we trust
in him. And it's sort of a mystery, I believe
how those two factors work together. Our responsibility to believe.
But God opening our hearts and enabling us to believe. Uh,
but I think, amazingly, you know, maybe I would suggest
for your friend, have him read The Lion, the witch
the witch and the wardrobe. Uh, I just listened to.
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I recently listened to The Lion, the witch and the
Wardrobe on Audible books, and the reason I did it
is because some students told me that they think of
my wife and I on campus as Mr. and Mrs. Beaver,
and so I thought I got it, I got to
go back and listen to that. But the thing is,
when you hear Aslan's willingness to take Edmund's sin and,
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and go through that humiliation and take the punishment that
he deserved, I don't believe that. You know, the deep
magic is that we are owed to Satan, the ransom
to Satan. But I just would say to your friend,
look at what the Lord Jesus did, and maybe take
it out of the Gospels and put it in the
Chronicles of Narnia, and maybe he'll get a grasp about
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God's great love for him for this plan. Okay.
S7 (22:26):
Thank you.
S1 (22:27):
Um.
S8 (22:28):
Hi. My name is Kevin from Austin, Minnesota. I'd like
to know how far different are the original boundary lines
of the Promised Land from the modern day borders of Israel?
S1 (22:39):
They're really different. I can't give you miles, but I
will tell you, uh, the biblical boundaries as found in
Genesis 15, as you go north, they encompass, uh, Lebanon,
Syria and most of Iraq. So that's how far it
goes up to the north. It goes down just about
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where it is in the south. It encompasses Gaza, which is, uh,
no longer governed by Israel, but it goes all the
way to the river of Egypt or the Wadi el Arish,
down by El Arish, Egypt, in the northern part of
the Sinai Peninsula. And that's by Kadesh Barnea. That that's
as you head eastward. So I wish I could show
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you a map on the radio, but I can't. But, uh,
it goes from there, and it encompasses all the way
up north. It's much bigger than than what Israel ever
has been, even in the times of David and Solomon,
which tells me that one of the reasons we have
to have confidence that God's going to fulfill the Abrahamic
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covenant is so that those boundaries can be fulfilled which
have never been fulfilled. So when God, God promised to
Abraham a land seed blessing, all those things must come true.
When the Lord Jesus returns, he will establish a kingdom
with those boundaries for Israel. Okay. Okay, we're going to go.
One more question. Let's see if I can answer it.
S9 (24:08):
Good morning, I am Carmen, I was born and raised
in San Antonio, Texas. I'm a Texas midget.
S1 (24:15):
Oh.
S9 (24:16):
And my question is, God has chosen the Jewish people
as his special people, the chosen ones. And I was wondering,
after hearing the different testimonies that I've heard the last
couple of days. How can we pray for the Jewish
people from our heart, not just, you know, Lord, bring
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them to salvation, but to really pray?
S1 (24:41):
I would say Romans ten one is the only example
of praying, evangelistic praying in the whole Scripture. And it's
for the Jewish people. It says where Paul says, my
heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that
they might be saved. So we can pray for God
to open hearts among Jewish people. We can pray for
God to raise up a genuine, godly followers of Yeshua
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of Jesus, to be near them, that they would have
opportunities to talk, that they would take. They would be bold,
yet sensitive when they talk. Those are all specific prayer
requests that we can pray for the salvation of the
Jewish people today in this time of antisemitism. We can
pray for the God's protection and preservation of the Jewish people. Uh,
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we can also pray for ourselves, that we would meet
Jewish people and God would give us opportunity to boldly
yet sensitively speak with them, and that God would open
their hearts. That's what I would say. Well, we're going
to take a break here. When we come back, we're
going to talk a little bit with Mitch Glazer, president
of Chosen People Ministries. I might ask him that very
same question, but we'll see. Uh, my name is Michael Ray.
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S10 (28:35):
You're welcome. Michael, it's been more than a privilege.
S1 (28:37):
Thank you. Now, why in the world would you do that?
That's the question I have always wondered.
S10 (28:41):
Well, it helps us raise money.
S1 (28:43):
Yeah, I know.
S10 (28:43):
But. The main reason we did it was because you asked.
And because I love you. And you've been my friend
and co-laborer in ministry for many, many years. But to
have a Jewish believer as the voice for answering Bible
questions that Christians have, and knowing that biblically and theologically,
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you would make sure that people understood the important role
that Israel and the Jewish people play in God's ongoing plan.
And you would emphasize Jewish evangelism and all the things
that we love and have shared together for so many
years was just like a little bit of a dream, Michael.
I mean, to have you as our voice was just fabulous.
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And so we praise God for Moody and we praise
God for you.
S1 (29:30):
Well, I I'm really grateful. And, you know, I think
one of the most amazing things is moody and, you know, this,
but maybe our audience doesn't. I am the fifth Jewish
studies professor at Moody, so that must be like ten years.
But no, I've been there 30 years. But the Jewish
Studies program at Moody Bible Institute just this year is
celebrating its 100th anniversary, 100 years of Jewish studies. So
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it wasn't really hard to think about Moody having those themes.
Moody Bible Institute has had a great heart for Jewish people,
always concerned theologically. In fact, when it's it's a fairly
small major. People don't know that. They think there are
hundreds and hundreds of Jewish studies students. But it's a
it's a small major. It's had a great impact for
Jewish ministry, I believe, as you look at the people.
S10 (30:19):
But when I started counting how many missionaries who have
worked with chosen people went to the Moody Jewish Studies program.
I stopped counting at 200.
S1 (30:27):
Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, it's had a great impact. And
I'm really grateful to God that I got to play
a little part of it. But when I interviewed, the
provost said to me that he's the head of education
at Moody. He said this would be a good time
to shut down the program. Did you ever wonder why
we're not? And I'm like, ah, no. I think, why
am I here for this interview? And he said, because
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we have a a biblical, theological and practical commitment to
reaching Jewish people.
S10 (30:55):
Absolutely. And it was wonderful to be part of the
celebration at the missions conference, to have a whole missions
conference at Moody Bible Institute, dedicated and focused on Jewish missions,
was one of the great privileges of my life.
S1 (31:07):
Yeah, it was it was great. Loved it. Thank you
for being there.
S10 (31:09):
And the food was good.
S1 (31:10):
The food was really good. So now it's the first
time at Moody. I think they had Jewish food for things.
But anyway.
S10 (31:17):
Bagels for all.
S1 (31:18):
Bagels for all. for all. Exactly. Let's talk about this conference.
It's called finding Shalom in a troubled World.
S10 (31:24):
Yes.
S1 (31:25):
Why would you choose this theme?
S10 (31:27):
Because we're living in a very fractured, divided wall world
right now. Unfortunately, it's also impacted the church and it's global.
We just did a conference like this in the UK
because they're having the similar problems and also in Australia.
And I think that the answer to our lack of unity,
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the answer to our being divided within ourselves and within
our families and churches is the Prince of Peace. And
so we want to focus on the peace that we
can have, not only peace in our own soul, but
of course, peace with God, peace with one another, and
peace within the greater body of Messiah. Because that unity
was supposed to be, according to John 17, was supposed
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to be a testimony of the very nature of God.
And so it's vitally important that we have peace with
ourselves and peace with one another, so that the world
can see that God is indeed true and Jesus is
the Messiah.
S1 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm really excited. I get to preach tonight on
one of my favorite passages at this conference. It's, uh,
I'm speaking on Isaiah nine one through seven about finding
peace or shalom through the Prince of Peace. So I'm
pretty excited about that.
S10 (32:38):
Yes. Well, that was my choice, Michael.
S1 (32:41):
I know, yeah. I didn't have any choice. Uh, we
have a question here for us.
S11 (32:45):
Hi. My name is Gaye Rieger, and I'm from Savage, Minnesota,
and I am. I would love to hear both of
you share how you came to Messiah. How you found him.
S1 (32:56):
Wow. Well, I'm going to just say that I did
a whole program. I think. What date was it on?
If people want to go back and listen to the podcast,
I think it was like April 17th or 15th or
something like that. Uh, you can go back to the
podcast in mid-April if you go to Moody Radio. Uh, and,
and you can find the podcast. And because it was,
it was a was a rebroadcast actually from last year.
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It had, uh, we took over an hour because it
was my 50th spiritual birthday last year when I did
that program. So we rebroadcast it and actually, Chris Fabry
from Moody Radio came on and interviewed me about how
about my whole faith story. And so that was pretty exciting.
So I've been a follower of Yeshua for 51 years quickly.
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My parents were Holocaust survivors. I never dreamed I would
believe in Yeshua. And when I was confronted through the
Chosen People Ministries Brooklyn director, a woman named Hilda Kozar,
we argued the scriptures. I wouldn't say we studied them.
We fought over the scriptures. But through her explanation of
messianic prophecy, I became convinced that Yeshua was the Messiah
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and became a follower of Yeshua. When I was in
high school. It was the broadcast, by the way I
just heard in my headset was April 8th. There we go.
So you can go back and listen to that.
S10 (34:15):
Well, I was raised a good Jewish boy. Became a
bad Jewish boy after my bar mitzvah. Went to college.
Dropped out of college all before I was 17. Majored
in unregistered pharmacy and minored in marketing. And then? And
then I went. Then I went, like all good Jewish boys.
I went out to San Francisco looking for. For truth.
No flowers in my hair. But it was long. My
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two best friends betrayed me and became believers in Jesus.
I tried to talk him out of it and lost.
And so I read a New Testament that I found
in a phone booth in the middle of the redwood
forest and discovered, unbelievably, that Jesus was Jewish. I thought
he was the chief of anti-Semitism. And I fell in
love with Jesus and accepted Jesus. And he transformed my life.
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And like Michael, I'm a 51 year veteran of the
of the spiritual warfare.
S1 (35:06):
So, you know, I just, I just, I just. Watched
For the second time. Jesus. Revolution. And you know, I
was just the first time I saw that movie. I
was thinking about, you know, I was on the East Coast,
not on the West Coast, but how many.
S10 (35:26):
Were much younger?
S1 (35:27):
I was much younger. Uh, better looking too. Uh, but no, uh, I,
I was amazed when I started thinking about how many
people in Jewish ministry came to faith in that period,
between 1967 and 1973, which was sort of the Jesus
Revolution period. And it was you and me and my
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friend Larry out in California and, uh, our friend Jan
Moskowitz and Bruce Goldstein and and there were so many
of us, uh, that went to Jewish ministry. So that
that movie didn't really hit the revival among Jewish people.
The revolution. But it was there.
S10 (36:06):
Yeah. Uh, you know, my interest in, in church history
and Messianic Jewish history, every time there's been an outpouring
of the Holy Spirit, people have been drawn to the scriptures.
And actually the role of Israel and the Jewish people
in God's plan has become prominent. And a lot of
Jewish people have become believers in Jesus. So whenever you
see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, if there are
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Jewish people around, Jewish people.
S1 (36:30):
Hit them too.
S10 (36:31):
Jewish people are being touched. It happened between World War
One and World War Two in Europe, and it happened
incredibly during the early, late 60s and early 70s. And
so whenever there is a movement of the Holy Spirit,
Jewish people get saved. So pray for a movement of
the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and there's a big one coming,
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according to Romans 11. So we're going to see the
best yet.
S1 (36:54):
Yep, yep. Greg Laurie was on a moody radio program
and a Jewish believer I know, who also is a
product of the Jesus Revolution. She called up and said,
how come you didn't mention all the Jewish people that
came to faith there at Costa mesa and all that?
And he said, forgive me. We were just kind of
focused on what happened there at that time with me. So, uh, but, uh,
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he then he laughed and he acknowledged that there was
even then in California, the back story of that movie
was there were many Jewish people who came to faith,
even there.
S10 (37:24):
So a lot of the leaders of the modern messianic
movement in Israel came to faith outside the country during
the Jesus movement. And I remember my first trip to
Israel in 1976. There may have been a half a
dozen congregations. Today there's probably between 150 and 160. And
I mean, this is the ongoing fruit of the Jesus movement.
S1 (37:44):
Yeah. And that's how, you know, it was a real
revival because it has ongoing fruit. So let's ask, uh, Jason,
why don't you come up and see if you have
a question? Great. Jason Rose is. I'm going to give
your last name. I think it's okay. Is it not? Yeah.
Jason Rose is a former student of mine who graduated
from Jewish Studies and serves with Chosen People Ministries.
S12 (38:05):
So my question is, since you lead tours to Israel,
what's the most theologically or biblically significant site, in your opinion?
S5 (38:13):
Well.
S1 (38:14):
I would say the Temple Mount, the Western Wall. I
don't usually go on the mount because it's a little bit, uh, touchy.
But I think the Western Wall that what people used
to call the Wailing Wall, it's not the Wailing Wall.
The Western wall, the supporting wall of the Temple Mount.
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I think that's the most significant because, uh, God said, well,
that's where on that mount is where Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. Uh,
it's where when the temple was built. The spirit of God.
The first temple, the Spirit of God was the Shekinah.
The the presence, the Shekinah glory was present there. Ezekiel
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ten describes its departure before the Babylonian conquest. Uh, but
Ezekiel also talks about the day when the temple is
rebuilt in the Messianic kingdom, when the Spirit of God
will be present there again. Uh, and so it is
a remarkable place, the Lord Jesus. A lot of people say, well,
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you know, now that you believe in Jesus, it wouldn't
matter because, uh, you know, we are the temples today,
you know, and I think there's a sense of truth.
Doesn't matter where you worship. We need to worship God
in spirit and in truth. But it says the Lord
Jesus had zeal for his father's house. He cared about it.
Do you have a quick one minute answer of your
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favorite place to take people?
S10 (39:40):
You know what I usually say about the Garden Tomb
is that if it wasn't there, it was like there.
And I'd say taking communion at the Garden Tomb, which
is a part of many tours, is still, for me personally,
the most meaningful moment of my trips to Israel. I
highly recommend you come to Israel. You can go with
Michael or you can go with Chosen People Ministries. Take
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your pick.
S1 (40:02):
I don't care how you go, just go. That's what
I think.
S10 (40:05):
And I hope that you get to take communion at
the At the Garden Tomb. It's so incredibly powerful.
S1 (40:10):
Yeah, I love that. I think that's a really exceptionally
special place. I agree with Mitch. Uh, what's your favorite place?
S12 (40:19):
My favorite place is Capernaum. Actually, because of the significance
of the beginning of the Messianic Jewish followers of Jesus.
It's the oldest site where you can see, uh, Jewish
community of fellowship.
S1 (40:33):
Yeah, that's the hometown of Jesus. And it's also that
some go to that synagogue there, and they think that
may have been actually a messianic Jewish synagogue, not necessarily
a traditional synagogue. So that's that's pretty amazing. We're going
to come right back with more questions in just a moment.
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to Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Melnick. No phone calls
today because we're listening to a program first aired in
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2023 at a Chosen People Ministries conference in Eden Prairie, Minnesota.
Let's go back to the conference. We're going to have
a question here. Who are you, miss?
S13 (42:16):
My name is Tricia. I produce Open Line and you
went out to the break. I have a question for you.
You went out to the break saying Jesus hometown was Capernaum.
And I said, wait, wait, wait what? I thought his
hometown was Nazareth.
S1 (42:28):
He was born in Nazareth.
S13 (42:30):
He was born in Bethlehem.
S1 (42:31):
Born in Bethlehem. Raised? Yeah, right. Born in Bethlehem. Raised
in Nazareth. So that was his hometown in that sense.
But when his public ministry began, he switched over to
Capernaum and lived in Capernaum.
S13 (42:43):
Okay.
S1 (42:43):
And so, uh, when you go into Capernaum, there's a
sign that says the hometown of Jesus right there. But
it really wasn't his hometown so much as his adopted hometown,
born in Bethlehem. Right, I remember that. Okay.
S14 (42:57):
Okay.
S1 (42:58):
Raised in Nazareth, but adopted Capernaum as his hometown.
S15 (43:03):
Hi, I'm Lisa from Richfield, Minnesota. With the interfaith dialogue
happening in the world, how do we make sure we
as Christians are not being deceived, but that we are
following the truth of the Lord?
S1 (43:17):
Well, I think interfaith dialogue is great. You know, one
of the things that I believe about interfaith dialogue is
that we should always express if we're interfaith, we should
be able to express what we believe as well. Listen
carefully to people. I always think that one of the
best things we can do when we're dialoguing about interfaith,
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instead of telling people, you know, that, you know, believe
on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
That's probably not what I would do in an interfaith dialogue,
but I would look for every opportunity to tell my
faith story, how it is that I came to faith,
what it was that God did in my life, how
he worked in my life, how it is that I
came to believe in the Lord Jesus the Messiah, and
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how he forgave my sins. And the reason I would
do that is it's interfaith and it's a dialogue. You
want to hear my part, I'll listen to yours. And, uh,
hopefully that would as we talk about what God has
done in our lives, when we dialogue, people will be
challenged and want to hear more, uh, part from the dialogue.
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So that's what I would do, uh, if I were
engaged in interfaith dialogue, it would be to learn what
people think. To learn how they feel. But always looking
for an opportunity to tell my faith story as well.
S15 (44:33):
Yes. Thank you.
S14 (44:33):
Um.
S1 (44:36):
Okay. Here we go.
S16 (44:38):
Linda from Minneapolis. Uh, we have some acquaintances, friends who
are Russian Jews. And English is their fifth language. They're
extremely intelligent, sophisticated people. Do you have any advice on
how to share with people who are rather intimidating, but
very dear.
S1 (44:59):
Oh, boy. Well, uh. they you don't don't be intimidated.
They're just people. And, uh, I think they Russian Jews
were raised in an atheistic culture, and they would they
would like to experience a real God. The thing that
I do is, uh, when I talk to anyone, but
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particularly Jewish people, uh, I do something I call raising
the flag. I'll. I'll mention something that God has done
in my life. If I'm friends with them, I can
talk about what God is doing in my life. They're
talking about their lives. I might say that, you know,
someone was ill. I prayed and God was working and
provided this doctor and they're better or something that God
has done that, uh, that I feel like just raise
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that flag. Uh, God is, uh, if they're having a problem, say,
can I pray for you? Something like that. Raise that flag.
And then as time goes by, they'll want to hear
more because they are searching for a real experience with God,
not religion, not, you know, going to this place or
doing that thing. They can't hardly believe that there's someone
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who's experiencing God working in their lives. So keep raising
those flags. And then as you have opportunity, tell your
faith story. And before you know it, they'll want to
know more and more. Okay.
S14 (46:15):
Thank you. Yeah.
S1 (46:17):
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in 2023. We took Open Line on the road to
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a Chosen People Ministries conference called Finding Shalom Peace in
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a Troubled World. Now our world is still troubled, and
that's why it's so important to keep studying the scriptures,
to see how the gospel speaks into all areas of
our lives. Seeing how the SA Shalom, the Prince of Peace,
can bring peace to a hurting and troubled world. What
we need to do is keep studying the scriptures, peace
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for our own souls, peace with God, peace with one another,
and around us is centered in Jesus, the Messiah, the
Prince of Peace. At the conference, I answered the questions
of the live audience there, and we met a few
of the people who were involved in the conference. So
before we get to these questions, I want to let
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it's time you can join me as we travel back
to 2023. To our first question asked at Wooddale Church
in Eden Prairie, Minnesota.
S2 (02:55):
I'm Walt from Bloomington, Minnesota. And what does it mean
that Jesus is God's begotten son? He's not created.
S1 (03:03):
Mhm. Yeah. He's definitely not created. He's the eternal Son
of God. I believe the concept of begotten ness comes, uh,
in Scripture from Psalm two, in Psalm two, a messianic
psalm which predicts the coming of the Messiah. It says, uh,
that the Lord said to me, uh, you are my
son this day I have begotten you. And it sounds like, oh,
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I've given birth to you, or you began. However, it's
a royal psalm. It's about an enthronement of a king. And, uh,
if you look at the ancient Near East in Egypt,
in various places, when Pharaoh became king, when they were enthroned.
And this is important as we're listening, uh, today is
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the day that Charles King Charles is being, uh, Crown. Right. Coronet.
It's his coronation day. Well, in the ancient Near East,
it was declared that a person, when he, uh. When
he had his coronation, he was declared the Son of God.
But the word that was used was I've begotten you.
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He was declared the Son of God and begotten of God.
It doesn't really mean I gave birth to you because
he was obviously born, but rather declared the Son of God.
It's an enthronement term. It indicates coronation. Uh, and particularly deity. So, uh,
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in that culture to say, uh, you're the begotten of God,
it means you are the eternal God. You have just
taken your throne. And of course, when you think about
the throne of Jesus, he. When is he going to
take his throne? He's taking his throne right now. He's
seated at the right hand of the father. He will
take his throne on the throne of David in the future. So.
And in the past. He's forever the Son of God.
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This is an eternal situation. He's been on the throne
of God forever. So therefore, this is sort of an
eternal statement. He's he is eternally enthroned as God, God
the Son. And so that is the concept it has
actually has to do with coronation as king and enthronement
as the Son of God, rather than giving birth to him. Okay.
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Of course, that makes him I love at Psalm two
at the end. This is really an important concept since
he is the son at the end of Psalm two.
It says this, uh, kiss or pay homage to the son,
lest he become angry. And you will, and you perish
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in your rebellion. That sounds bad, right? If you're. But
then it says. Blessed are all those who take refuge
in him. There's this great offer that we can put
our trust in him. Take refuge in him. Find protection
in him. And that's how we will bring joy and
happiness into our lives. Blessedness into our lives. So it's
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not enough to know that he's the eternally enthroned Son
of God. It's important to know that we need to
take refuge in him first, by putting our faith in him,
and then by living within his, uh, walking with him
as our King. So that's Psalm two.
S3 (06:20):
Yes, I'm Linda from Ely, Minnesota, and I've been wondering,
when did Moses write the Pentateuch? Was he in Sinai,
the wilderness? Did he have some of that knowledge when
he lived with Jethro? Um, just kind of wondering how
he put that all together.
S1 (06:35):
Yeah. Me too. Uh, you know, why did you think
he had to get the 70 elders there with him and.
And that whole system of tens of. Because he was
so busy writing the Bible. You know, I write books,
and I know I can't find any time. I can't
imagine what it would be like to be writing books
in the wilderness, right? Uh, people knock on his door. Moses,
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we have a question. He says, leave me. It's my
writing time. Uh, I think that he probably was writing.
There are different segments when he was writing, when he
had direct revelation, and he would write those things down. Also,
there were probably other times when, uh, he had resources
of some sort, things that he may have remembered from
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his upbringing, from, uh, Jochebed. Uh, you know, he was
raised in a in a nice Jewish home, even though
he was adopted by the Pharaoh's daughter. So he must
have had some materials that he had from that, I
think oral traditions that he had received from, uh, his
family about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And then he wrote
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these down as they were traveling. I think there was
a song by Keith Green that, you know. So you
want to go back to Egypt? Do you remember that song?
It was a long time ago. But he says what?
Moses sitting around writing the Bible. Well, that's exactly right.
That's what he was doing. So as he found time,
he wrote, I think, different segments. And by the end
of his wilderness wanderings, that's when he put it together.
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And one of the things that's really important when we
read the Pentateuch, this is not just the Daily Journal
of Moses. Uh, it's really clear that there is structure
in the Torah, in the in the Pentateuch, the Five
Books of Moses. It's really one book. And it's kind
of interesting because it follows a structural pattern. There's story
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or narrative followed by a poem, followed by an epilogue.
And it follows this structure four times through the Pentateuch.
So you can go Genesis one through 48. That's the
story of creation and the patriarchs. And then chapter 49,
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you've got this poetic piece by Jacob when he blesses
the 12, uh, 12 sons. And then chapter 50, The
Death of Jacob and Joseph. And that's the epilogue, and
that's the structure. And then with Exodus, you start the
narrative again. You get the the Exodus narrative, the story
of the departure from Egypt. You have the Song of Moses,
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and then you have traveling to Sinai as an epilogue.
And this continues through the Pentateuch. So you have narrative
poem epilogue. And why is this important? It shows that
Moses took all these materials that he was writing, and
structured them in a very clear way to lead us
to the end of the book, which has a double
poem by Moses, the two songs of Moses, and then
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the epilogue, which is the the, the death of Moses
at the end, and the reminder to keep looking for
the prophet like Moses. So that's that's the structure of
the book. Okay.
S3 (09:42):
Thank you.
S1 (09:43):
Um.
S4 (09:44):
Hi, I'm Aaron from Rogers, Minnesota. Question is from Zephaniah
three nine. What is the pure language or pure? Pure speech?
Could it be Hebrew?
S1 (09:54):
Yeah. It's a language of heaven, don't you think? Yeah.
Uh uh, I often wonder what was the original language
before the. The Tower of Babylon? Right where they all
were broken up. I'm guessing they were all speak in Hebrew,
because that's what Adam and Eve were speaking in, in Genesis, right? Actually,
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we don't know. That's how Moses wrote it. I don't
know what the pure speech is. Uh, I have a
lot of jokes that Russian Jews used to tell. I
won't tell them on the radio about about learning Hebrew
versus speaking Russian. I won't repeat them. But the they
were so much oppression in Russia. They were really looking
forward to the language of heaven in the land of Israel.
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And so when they were trying to get out. So, uh, yeah, I,
I don't know what the language of heaven is, but, uh,
or the original language, the IR language. I would guess
it may may have sounded a lot like Hebrew if
it wasn't Hebrew. Okay. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take
a break here. And when we come back, we're going
to take more of these questions from this wonderful live
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audience here in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. My name is Michael Redlich.
This program is called Open Line, and it's our Bible
study across America. So keep listening because there's more questions
coming up straight ahead. We'll be right back. Welcome back
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to Open Line with Michael Riedel. We're pre-recorded today, so
don't call in. We're listening to a program from 2023
when Open Line traveled to Minnesota at a Chosen People
Ministries conference called Finding Shalom in a Troubled World, hosted
by Wooddale Church. Let's listen in.
S5 (11:51):
I'm David Johnson. I actually know the answer. I wrote
this for others. What is a completed Jew? Okay, and
there's two of them sitting at the table.
S1 (11:58):
Okay. I am a completed Jew. Uh, that's a term
that some people use. It's actually a reactionary term. Uh,
because so often Jewish people have been called who come
to faith in Jesus. In Yeshua, we are called converted Jews.
And the problem with the word converted is for Jewish people.
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That means that I've converted from being Jewish, and I
have now become a Gentile. And that's not true. I
will always be Jewish. In fact, my faith is now
complete because Jewish people are looking forward to. I was
raised to look forward to the coming of the Messiah,
and now I understand the Messiah has come. My faith
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is complete. I've put my trust in Yeshua. I once
heard someone say, I've converted from my sin, not from
being Jewish, and it's no sin to be a Jew. So, uh,
that that's, uh, one, one approach. And some people call
some call Messianic Jews, call ourselves Messianic Jews. Uh, some
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call ourselves fulfilled Jews. Some people say we are Jewish
followers of Yeshua. There's all sorts of terms that we use,
but the term that we stay away from, if we can,
is converted Jews, because that is different. It when Jewish
people hear it, it's it says something different than when
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other people hear it. We hear we cease to be
Jews and that will never be the case. God made
us Jewish and our destiny as Jews. That makes us, uh,
complete in our in our faith is faith in the
Jewish Messiah, Jesus. And so that's that's why we use
those other terms.
S5 (13:41):
May I put in a plug for Marty.
S1 (13:43):
Yeah. Put Marty gets us here.
S5 (13:45):
I've heard him many times at community Bible study with
Tom Berkowitz. Always dragged him in here. And I've got
several CDs, and I'll be shocked if he doesn't have
CDs to sell out there.
S1 (13:55):
Okay, there we go. They're going to sell CDs for
Marty gets. Marty gets is my friend everyone listening on
the radio? Marty gets is my friend for, oh, 35,
36 years. And I was just noting that he'd never
listened to Open Line before. And now this is my
really good friend, is all I'm saying. Okay. So anyway,
thank you, Marty, for doing that. And thanks for the plug.
S5 (14:17):
We're going to go away. I'm not getting a commission.
S1 (14:19):
Okay, good. Thank you.
S6 (14:21):
Hi, I'm Nancy from Waukesha, Wisconsin. So I guess this
is another language question here. But in John 21 when
Peter and Jesus are talking, Jesus asks Peter, do you
love me? And the Greek words are agape and phileo,
denoting different levels of love. In the original language, you know,
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maybe Hebrew or Aramaic. What would those words be, do
you think for agape?
S1 (14:46):
And let me just say that the only thing we
have to interpret are the Greek words. And so I
am a firm believer that we ought not to try
to go back to the Aramaic words that might have
been spoken that happened in the events there. But what
what is inspired? What is inspired? Revelation is the written text.
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You know, it doesn't say that those events were inspired.
It says all Scripture is inspired or God breathed. So
we're going to stick to those words. Now, what I
will tell you is this in John 21, uh, this
is actually one of my favorite passages because it gives
hope to all failures like me, because Peter really failed.
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How many times did he deny the Lord? Three times.
Peter always had to do everything in threes. You know,
how many times did he have to be told to
eat later on when he had that vision of the
unclean animals three times. He's just a three time kind
of guy. And it took a lot to get into
his head. Well, anyway, he denied the Lord three times.
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And then three times he's asked, do you love me?
And each time he says, yes, Lord, you know I
love you, I love you. And a lot of people
want to make a big deal that the Lord is
using the word agape or agapao, because that means unconditional love.
And Peter answers with the word phileo, which means friendship, love. However,
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that is what those words meant in classical Greek. By
the time you get to Koine Greek, the language of
the New Testament. They are absolute synonyms. There is no difference.
And so all those sermons you may have heard about
agape versus Phileo. They were misinterpreting those words. Wow. Uh,
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but there is significance because three times the Lord asks Peter,
do you love me? And three times he's given an
opportunity to affirm his love for the Lord. After his
three denials, remember what he does. He's he's seen the
risen Lord. He says, I'm going back to where I
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used to be. Uh, and he he goes back to
being a fisherman. I'm going fishing. It leads the other
disciples with him. Remember, he was the one that Lord
said to him, I will make you fishers of men.
And now he's going back to being a fisher of fish.
And the Lord looks at him and says, do you
love me more than these? A lot of people mistakenly
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understand him to be pointing at the other disciples. Do
you love me more than them? Does that sound like
like the Lord Jesus? I'm going to compare your love
to the other disciples. No, he's pointing at the fishing boat.
At the nets. Do you love me more than all these?
Accouterments of fishing. And three times Peter gets to say
I love you. And then each time he's commissioned. Feed
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my sheep. Tend my sheep. Shepherd my sheep. What is
he doing? He's restoring him to ministry after his great failure. That's.
It's a great passage. But it has nothing to do
with the words agapao and phileo.
S6 (18:00):
Thank you so much.
S7 (18:02):
I'm Stephanie from Maple Plain, Minnesota. I have a family
member who struggles to accept that God designed a system
or a reality where we are destined to be born
sinful and we must ask to be saved. He likens
it to throwing a baby in the pool and expecting
them to ask for help. The idea of our free
will being essential for a love relationship doesn't satisfy him
because he says, God set it up that way, and
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he gave me my rational mind to question this and
to struggle. I think that he hasn't been overwhelmed by
God's good goodness so he can trust God's sovereignty and
his plan. And so I pray for him. But do
you have an answer for this confusion that he has?
S1 (18:38):
Just clarify again, what's his objection that that.
S7 (18:41):
God set up this system. So I'm born sinful and
I have to accept forgiveness or request forgiveness. He agrees.
It's a free gift. Salvation is offered to us. But
why did God set it up this way?
S1 (18:52):
Did you ever think that God didn't set it up
this way?
S7 (18:55):
I don't know.
S1 (18:56):
Well, think about it. He created Adam and Eve, told them.
Don't eat from this tree over here. You can eat
from every other one. And they opted not to listen.
And that's how the system got started. So God's intention
was for them to obey him. However, they didn't. And
as a result, we all sin in Adam. He. He's
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our our head. He's our leader. He's the one that
voted for us to be sinful. Now, I'm not saying
that God didn't know that would happen, because the scriptures
say that Jesus is the lamb slain before the foundation
of the world. So before the first brick was laid
in this world, the Lord knew what they were going
to do and knew he was going to plan a
plan a redemption, uh, for us. But, you know, it
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was not his desired will for Adam and Eve to sin.
And yet they did. And as a consequence, we sin. Um, but,
you know, I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
If you're going to think. I don't want to believe this.
I don't want to trust in this, we'll say, oh, boy,
this is a bad plan that God has set up. However,
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if we think I am desperate and I am drowning,
and God has given me a life preserver here, and
he has planned this life preserver from eternity past, and
he wants me to grasp Ahold of it. Uh, and
he's going to even as and this is what's really
amazing is he opens our hearts to believe, just like
he did with Lydia in Acts 16. Uh, how is it, uh,
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that that's how as, uh, there was a movie I saw,
Count of Monte Cristo. How was this a bad plan?
It seems like a good plan. However, I know the response. Well,
if God has to open my opened my heart for
me to believe this. He needs to give me the enablement,
divine enablement to believe. Then, just like in Romans nine, well,
why does he still find fault with those who don't believe?
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Who can resist his will? And I don't have the
answer for that. When I read that in Romans nine,
the very first time, I was like, wow, I'm really
going to get the answer I've always wanted. And then
then the next verse says, who are you, O man,
to talk back to God? And the answer God has
about his sovereign plan for opening hearts and choosing and
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predestining and all that is, uh, don't talk back to God.
That's it.
S7 (21:11):
And so pride comes into play.
S1 (21:13):
Yeah. Yeah. But God opens our hearts and we trust
in him. And it's sort of a mystery, I believe
how those two factors work together. Our responsibility to believe.
But God opening our hearts and enabling us to believe. Uh,
but I think, amazingly, you know, maybe I would suggest
for your friend, have him read The Lion, the witch
the witch and the wardrobe. Uh, I just listened to.
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I recently listened to The Lion, the witch and the
Wardrobe on Audible books, and the reason I did it
is because some students told me that they think of
my wife and I on campus as Mr. and Mrs. Beaver,
and so I thought I got it, I got to
go back and listen to that. But the thing is,
when you hear Aslan's willingness to take Edmund's sin and,
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and go through that humiliation and take the punishment that
he deserved, I don't believe that. You know, the deep
magic is that we are owed to Satan, the ransom
to Satan. But I just would say to your friend,
look at what the Lord Jesus did, and maybe take
it out of the Gospels and put it in the
Chronicles of Narnia, and maybe he'll get a grasp about
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God's great love for him for this plan. Okay.
S7 (22:26):
Thank you.
S1 (22:27):
Um.
S8 (22:28):
Hi. My name is Kevin from Austin, Minnesota. I'd like
to know how far different are the original boundary lines
of the Promised Land from the modern day borders of Israel?
S1 (22:39):
They're really different. I can't give you miles, but I
will tell you, uh, the biblical boundaries as found in
Genesis 15, as you go north, they encompass, uh, Lebanon,
Syria and most of Iraq. So that's how far it
goes up to the north. It goes down just about
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where it is in the south. It encompasses Gaza, which is, uh,
no longer governed by Israel, but it goes all the
way to the river of Egypt or the Wadi el Arish,
down by El Arish, Egypt, in the northern part of
the Sinai Peninsula. And that's by Kadesh Barnea. That that's
as you head eastward. So I wish I could show
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you a map on the radio, but I can't. But, uh,
it goes from there, and it encompasses all the way
up north. It's much bigger than than what Israel ever
has been, even in the times of David and Solomon,
which tells me that one of the reasons we have
to have confidence that God's going to fulfill the Abrahamic
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covenant is so that those boundaries can be fulfilled which
have never been fulfilled. So when God, God promised to
Abraham a land seed blessing, all those things must come true.
When the Lord Jesus returns, he will establish a kingdom
with those boundaries for Israel. Okay. Okay, we're going to go.
One more question. Let's see if I can answer it.
S9 (24:08):
Good morning, I am Carmen, I was born and raised
in San Antonio, Texas. I'm a Texas midget.
S1 (24:15):
Oh.
S9 (24:16):
And my question is, God has chosen the Jewish people
as his special people, the chosen ones. And I was wondering,
after hearing the different testimonies that I've heard the last
couple of days. How can we pray for the Jewish
people from our heart, not just, you know, Lord, bring
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them to salvation, but to really pray?
S1 (24:41):
I would say Romans ten one is the only example
of praying, evangelistic praying in the whole Scripture. And it's
for the Jewish people. It says where Paul says, my
heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that
they might be saved. So we can pray for God
to open hearts among Jewish people. We can pray for
God to raise up a genuine, godly followers of Yeshua
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of Jesus, to be near them, that they would have
opportunities to talk, that they would take. They would be bold,
yet sensitive when they talk. Those are all specific prayer
requests that we can pray for the salvation of the
Jewish people today in this time of antisemitism. We can
pray for the God's protection and preservation of the Jewish people. Uh,
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we can also pray for ourselves, that we would meet
Jewish people and God would give us opportunity to boldly
yet sensitively speak with them, and that God would open
their hearts. That's what I would say. Well, we're going
to take a break here. When we come back, we're
going to talk a little bit with Mitch Glazer, president
of Chosen People Ministries. I might ask him that very
same question, but we'll see. Uh, my name is Michael Ray.
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Michael Redlich. Open line was part of a Chosen People
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get to the questions, I want to talk with our guest,
the sponsor of Open Line and this conference, uh, the
president of Chosen People Ministries. But before that, I wanted
to remind you that Bob from Orlando. This is something
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Once a week, we talk about your questions about the Bible.
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going to introduce my friend Doctor Mitch Glazer, president of
Chosen People Ministries. I'm not going to give you a
big introduction. I'm just going to say thank you. 11
years now, you have had an open line underwritten by
Chosen People Ministries from the very first week we were
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on the air. And I want to say thank you.
S10 (28:35):
You're welcome. Michael, it's been more than a privilege.
S1 (28:37):
Thank you. Now, why in the world would you do that?
That's the question I have always wondered.
S10 (28:41):
Well, it helps us raise money.
S1 (28:43):
Yeah, I know.
S10 (28:43):
But. The main reason we did it was because you asked.
And because I love you. And you've been my friend
and co-laborer in ministry for many, many years. But to
have a Jewish believer as the voice for answering Bible
questions that Christians have, and knowing that biblically and theologically,
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you would make sure that people understood the important role
that Israel and the Jewish people play in God's ongoing plan.
And you would emphasize Jewish evangelism and all the things
that we love and have shared together for so many
years was just like a little bit of a dream, Michael.
I mean, to have you as our voice was just fabulous.
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And so we praise God for Moody and we praise
God for you.
S1 (29:30):
Well, I I'm really grateful. And, you know, I think
one of the most amazing things is moody and, you know, this,
but maybe our audience doesn't. I am the fifth Jewish
studies professor at Moody, so that must be like ten years.
But no, I've been there 30 years. But the Jewish
Studies program at Moody Bible Institute just this year is
celebrating its 100th anniversary, 100 years of Jewish studies. So
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it wasn't really hard to think about Moody having those themes.
Moody Bible Institute has had a great heart for Jewish people,
always concerned theologically. In fact, when it's it's a fairly
small major. People don't know that. They think there are
hundreds and hundreds of Jewish studies students. But it's a
it's a small major. It's had a great impact for
Jewish ministry, I believe, as you look at the people.
S10 (30:19):
But when I started counting how many missionaries who have
worked with chosen people went to the Moody Jewish Studies program.
I stopped counting at 200.
S1 (30:27):
Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, it's had a great impact. And
I'm really grateful to God that I got to play
a little part of it. But when I interviewed, the
provost said to me that he's the head of education
at Moody. He said this would be a good time
to shut down the program. Did you ever wonder why
we're not? And I'm like, ah, no. I think, why
am I here for this interview? And he said, because
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we have a a biblical, theological and practical commitment to
reaching Jewish people.
S10 (30:55):
Absolutely. And it was wonderful to be part of the
celebration at the missions conference, to have a whole missions
conference at Moody Bible Institute, dedicated and focused on Jewish missions,
was one of the great privileges of my life.
S1 (31:07):
Yeah, it was it was great. Loved it. Thank you
for being there.
S10 (31:09):
And the food was good.
S1 (31:10):
The food was really good. So now it's the first
time at Moody. I think they had Jewish food for things.
But anyway.
S10 (31:17):
Bagels for all.
S1 (31:18):
Bagels for all. for all. Exactly. Let's talk about this conference.
It's called finding Shalom in a troubled World.
S10 (31:24):
Yes.
S1 (31:25):
Why would you choose this theme?
S10 (31:27):
Because we're living in a very fractured, divided wall world
right now. Unfortunately, it's also impacted the church and it's global.
We just did a conference like this in the UK
because they're having the similar problems and also in Australia.
And I think that the answer to our lack of unity,
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the answer to our being divided within ourselves and within
our families and churches is the Prince of Peace. And
so we want to focus on the peace that we
can have, not only peace in our own soul, but
of course, peace with God, peace with one another, and
peace within the greater body of Messiah. Because that unity
was supposed to be, according to John 17, was supposed
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to be a testimony of the very nature of God.
And so it's vitally important that we have peace with
ourselves and peace with one another, so that the world
can see that God is indeed true and Jesus is
the Messiah.
S1 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm really excited. I get to preach tonight on
one of my favorite passages at this conference. It's, uh,
I'm speaking on Isaiah nine one through seven about finding
peace or shalom through the Prince of Peace. So I'm
pretty excited about that.
S10 (32:38):
Yes. Well, that was my choice, Michael.
S1 (32:41):
I know, yeah. I didn't have any choice. Uh, we
have a question here for us.
S11 (32:45):
Hi. My name is Gaye Rieger, and I'm from Savage, Minnesota,
and I am. I would love to hear both of
you share how you came to Messiah. How you found him.
S1 (32:56):
Wow. Well, I'm going to just say that I did
a whole program. I think. What date was it on?
If people want to go back and listen to the podcast,
I think it was like April 17th or 15th or
something like that. Uh, you can go back to the
podcast in mid-April if you go to Moody Radio. Uh, and,
and you can find the podcast. And because it was,
it was a was a rebroadcast actually from last year.
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It had, uh, we took over an hour because it
was my 50th spiritual birthday last year when I did
that program. So we rebroadcast it and actually, Chris Fabry
from Moody Radio came on and interviewed me about how
about my whole faith story. And so that was pretty exciting.
So I've been a follower of Yeshua for 51 years quickly.
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My parents were Holocaust survivors. I never dreamed I would
believe in Yeshua. And when I was confronted through the
Chosen People Ministries Brooklyn director, a woman named Hilda Kozar,
we argued the scriptures. I wouldn't say we studied them.
We fought over the scriptures. But through her explanation of
messianic prophecy, I became convinced that Yeshua was the Messiah
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and became a follower of Yeshua. When I was in
high school. It was the broadcast, by the way I
just heard in my headset was April 8th. There we go.
So you can go back and listen to that.
S10 (34:15):
Well, I was raised a good Jewish boy. Became a
bad Jewish boy after my bar mitzvah. Went to college.
Dropped out of college all before I was 17. Majored
in unregistered pharmacy and minored in marketing. And then? And
then I went. Then I went, like all good Jewish boys.
I went out to San Francisco looking for. For truth.
No flowers in my hair. But it was long. My
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two best friends betrayed me and became believers in Jesus.
I tried to talk him out of it and lost.
And so I read a New Testament that I found
in a phone booth in the middle of the redwood
forest and discovered, unbelievably, that Jesus was Jewish. I thought
he was the chief of anti-Semitism. And I fell in
love with Jesus and accepted Jesus. And he transformed my life.
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And like Michael, I'm a 51 year veteran of the
of the spiritual warfare.
S1 (35:06):
So, you know, I just, I just, I just. Watched
For the second time. Jesus. Revolution. And you know, I
was just the first time I saw that movie. I
was thinking about, you know, I was on the East Coast,
not on the West Coast, but how many.
S10 (35:26):
Were much younger?
S1 (35:27):
I was much younger. Uh, better looking too. Uh, but no, uh, I,
I was amazed when I started thinking about how many
people in Jewish ministry came to faith in that period,
between 1967 and 1973, which was sort of the Jesus
Revolution period. And it was you and me and my
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friend Larry out in California and, uh, our friend Jan
Moskowitz and Bruce Goldstein and and there were so many
of us, uh, that went to Jewish ministry. So that
that movie didn't really hit the revival among Jewish people.
The revolution. But it was there.
S10 (36:06):
Yeah. Uh, you know, my interest in, in church history
and Messianic Jewish history, every time there's been an outpouring
of the Holy Spirit, people have been drawn to the scriptures.
And actually the role of Israel and the Jewish people
in God's plan has become prominent. And a lot of
Jewish people have become believers in Jesus. So whenever you
see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, if there are
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Jewish people around, Jewish people.
S1 (36:30):
Hit them too.
S10 (36:31):
Jewish people are being touched. It happened between World War
One and World War Two in Europe, and it happened
incredibly during the early, late 60s and early 70s. And
so whenever there is a movement of the Holy Spirit,
Jewish people get saved. So pray for a movement of
the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and there's a big one coming,
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according to Romans 11. So we're going to see the
best yet.
S1 (36:54):
Yep, yep. Greg Laurie was on a moody radio program
and a Jewish believer I know, who also is a
product of the Jesus Revolution. She called up and said,
how come you didn't mention all the Jewish people that
came to faith there at Costa mesa and all that?
And he said, forgive me. We were just kind of
focused on what happened there at that time with me. So, uh, but, uh,
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he then he laughed and he acknowledged that there was
even then in California, the back story of that movie
was there were many Jewish people who came to faith,
even there.
S10 (37:24):
So a lot of the leaders of the modern messianic
movement in Israel came to faith outside the country during
the Jesus movement. And I remember my first trip to
Israel in 1976. There may have been a half a
dozen congregations. Today there's probably between 150 and 160. And
I mean, this is the ongoing fruit of the Jesus movement.
S1 (37:44):
Yeah. And that's how, you know, it was a real
revival because it has ongoing fruit. So let's ask, uh, Jason,
why don't you come up and see if you have
a question? Great. Jason Rose is. I'm going to give
your last name. I think it's okay. Is it not? Yeah.
Jason Rose is a former student of mine who graduated
from Jewish Studies and serves with Chosen People Ministries.
S12 (38:05):
So my question is, since you lead tours to Israel,
what's the most theologically or biblically significant site, in your opinion?
S5 (38:13):
Well.
S1 (38:14):
I would say the Temple Mount, the Western Wall. I
don't usually go on the mount because it's a little bit, uh, touchy.
But I think the Western Wall that what people used
to call the Wailing Wall, it's not the Wailing Wall.
The Western wall, the supporting wall of the Temple Mount.
(38:35):
I think that's the most significant because, uh, God said, well,
that's where on that mount is where Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. Uh,
it's where when the temple was built. The spirit of God.
The first temple, the Spirit of God was the Shekinah.
The the presence, the Shekinah glory was present there. Ezekiel
(38:56):
ten describes its departure before the Babylonian conquest. Uh, but
Ezekiel also talks about the day when the temple is
rebuilt in the Messianic kingdom, when the Spirit of God
will be present there again. Uh, and so it is
a remarkable place, the Lord Jesus. A lot of people say, well,
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you know, now that you believe in Jesus, it wouldn't
matter because, uh, you know, we are the temples today,
you know, and I think there's a sense of truth.
Doesn't matter where you worship. We need to worship God
in spirit and in truth. But it says the Lord
Jesus had zeal for his father's house. He cared about it.
Do you have a quick one minute answer of your
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favorite place to take people?
S10 (39:40):
You know what I usually say about the Garden Tomb
is that if it wasn't there, it was like there.
And I'd say taking communion at the Garden Tomb, which
is a part of many tours, is still, for me personally,
the most meaningful moment of my trips to Israel. I
highly recommend you come to Israel. You can go with
Michael or you can go with Chosen People Ministries. Take
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your pick.
S1 (40:02):
I don't care how you go, just go. That's what
I think.
S10 (40:05):
And I hope that you get to take communion at
the At the Garden Tomb. It's so incredibly powerful.
S1 (40:10):
Yeah, I love that. I think that's a really exceptionally
special place. I agree with Mitch. Uh, what's your favorite place?
S12 (40:19):
My favorite place is Capernaum. Actually, because of the significance
of the beginning of the Messianic Jewish followers of Jesus.
It's the oldest site where you can see, uh, Jewish
community of fellowship.
S1 (40:33):
Yeah, that's the hometown of Jesus. And it's also that
some go to that synagogue there, and they think that
may have been actually a messianic Jewish synagogue, not necessarily
a traditional synagogue. So that's that's pretty amazing. We're going
to come right back with more questions in just a moment.
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copy of Israel, The land and the people. Welcome back
to Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Melnick. No phone calls
today because we're listening to a program first aired in
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2023 at a Chosen People Ministries conference in Eden Prairie, Minnesota.
Let's go back to the conference. We're going to have
a question here. Who are you, miss?
S13 (42:16):
My name is Tricia. I produce Open Line and you
went out to the break. I have a question for you.
You went out to the break saying Jesus hometown was Capernaum.
And I said, wait, wait, wait what? I thought his
hometown was Nazareth.
S1 (42:28):
He was born in Nazareth.
S13 (42:30):
He was born in Bethlehem.
S1 (42:31):
Born in Bethlehem. Raised? Yeah, right. Born in Bethlehem. Raised
in Nazareth. So that was his hometown in that sense.
But when his public ministry began, he switched over to
Capernaum and lived in Capernaum.
S13 (42:43):
Okay.
S1 (42:43):
And so, uh, when you go into Capernaum, there's a
sign that says the hometown of Jesus right there. But
it really wasn't his hometown so much as his adopted hometown,
born in Bethlehem. Right, I remember that. Okay.
S14 (42:57):
Okay.
S1 (42:58):
Raised in Nazareth, but adopted Capernaum as his hometown.
S15 (43:03):
Hi, I'm Lisa from Richfield, Minnesota. With the interfaith dialogue
happening in the world, how do we make sure we
as Christians are not being deceived, but that we are
following the truth of the Lord?
S1 (43:17):
Well, I think interfaith dialogue is great. You know, one
of the things that I believe about interfaith dialogue is
that we should always express if we're interfaith, we should
be able to express what we believe as well. Listen
carefully to people. I always think that one of the
best things we can do when we're dialoguing about interfaith,
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instead of telling people, you know, that, you know, believe
on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
That's probably not what I would do in an interfaith dialogue,
but I would look for every opportunity to tell my
faith story, how it is that I came to faith,
what it was that God did in my life, how
he worked in my life, how it is that I
came to believe in the Lord Jesus the Messiah, and
(44:01):
how he forgave my sins. And the reason I would
do that is it's interfaith and it's a dialogue. You
want to hear my part, I'll listen to yours. And, uh,
hopefully that would as we talk about what God has
done in our lives, when we dialogue, people will be
challenged and want to hear more, uh, part from the dialogue.
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So that's what I would do, uh, if I were
engaged in interfaith dialogue, it would be to learn what
people think. To learn how they feel. But always looking
for an opportunity to tell my faith story as well.
S15 (44:33):
Yes. Thank you.
S14 (44:33):
Um.
S1 (44:36):
Okay. Here we go.
S16 (44:38):
Linda from Minneapolis. Uh, we have some acquaintances, friends who
are Russian Jews. And English is their fifth language. They're
extremely intelligent, sophisticated people. Do you have any advice on
how to share with people who are rather intimidating, but
very dear.
S1 (44:59):
Oh, boy. Well, uh. they you don't don't be intimidated.
They're just people. And, uh, I think they Russian Jews
were raised in an atheistic culture, and they would they
would like to experience a real God. The thing that
I do is, uh, when I talk to anyone, but
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particularly Jewish people, uh, I do something I call raising
the flag. I'll. I'll mention something that God has done
in my life. If I'm friends with them, I can
talk about what God is doing in my life. They're
talking about their lives. I might say that, you know,
someone was ill. I prayed and God was working and
provided this doctor and they're better or something that God
has done that, uh, that I feel like just raise
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that flag. Uh, God is, uh, if they're having a problem, say,
can I pray for you? Something like that. Raise that flag.
And then as time goes by, they'll want to hear
more because they are searching for a real experience with God,
not religion, not, you know, going to this place or
doing that thing. They can't hardly believe that there's someone
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who's experiencing God working in their lives. So keep raising
those flags. And then as you have opportunity, tell your
faith story. And before you know it, they'll want to
know more and more. Okay.
S14 (46:15):
Thank you. Yeah.
S1 (46:17):
Uh, well, can't believe it. That's the first hour, but
there's a second hour coming up on most of these stations. Remember,
if your station doesn't carry open line, you can always
listen online or with the podcast during the break. Check
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links that you'll like. How to ask a question or, uh,
(46:37):
how to get our current resource or become a kitchen
table partner. When we come back, there'll be more questions
from this great audience here in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. Uh,
we'll be talking about the Bible, God and the spiritual life.
Open line with Michael Ray is a production of Moody Radio,
the ministry of Moody Bible Institute.
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