April 19, 2025 • 46 mins
On this weekend's Open Line with Dr. Michael Rydelnik, Michael welcomes Larry Feldman of Chosen People Ministries to explore the meaning of the Passover and how that points to Messiah Jesus.
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S1 (00:09):
What does Passover have to do with our lives today?
What's the link between the Lord's Supper and Unleavened bread?
Between the Jewish festival of Passover and the observance of
Good Friday and Resurrection Day? We'll explore these questions and
more in just a moment. Hello, friends. Welcome to Open
Line with Michael Riedel. Moody Radio's Bible study across America.
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My name is Michael Riedel. I'm the dean and professor
of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. And
I'm coming to you from the Moody Radio Studios in
downtown Chicago. I'm glad to be sitting around the radio
kitchen table with you, where every week we talk about
your questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life.
But today is a special pre-recorded Holy Weekend edition of
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Open Line. So please, no phone calls today. Thanks to
Omar Mendoza for handling all the technical issues of this
pre-record and for Tricia McMillan for producing. Tonight starts the
last night of Passover, and tomorrow is the day when
followers of Jesus celebrate the resurrection. So I needed someone
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to help us to delve deep into the Jewish and
biblical roots of the celebration this weekend. So joining me
to talk about the Messiah in the Passover is Larry Feldman.
Larry Feldman has been working with Chosen People Ministries since 1974.
He earned degrees at Moody Bible Institute in Jewish Studies.
He also went to Dallas Seminary. We were there together.
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It was a great time together, and that's where we
became great friends. He's been a believer since 1972. Larry
also contributed a chapter to the book Messiah in the Passover,
linked at our website at openline. Most of you know
that Larry is my friend who's closer than a brother.
I don't know anyone who has a more holistic or
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thorough knowledge of Scripture than Larry does. And I want
to say thank you for joining me today, Larry.
S2 (02:07):
My pleasure to be back on the show. I always
enjoy being with you and the listeners for the show.
S1 (02:13):
Yeah, it's always great. Particularly, I know your expertise about
Passover because you wrote a chapter in a book. It's
actually it appears in two books, a bigger book, which
is going to be our featured resource today. It's called
Messiah in the Passover. But you also wrote a chapter
in a book, the same chapter. It's called The Gospel
in the Passover. And your chapter, sharing the gospel through
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the Passover is just such an exceptional chapter, such an
exceptional piece of work, that really I thought that as
we go through that, we're going to talk about it
and we'll be able to help our listeners really have
a better understanding of the bridge between Passover and the
celebration that is happening this weekend for them. So let's
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get started. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about what
Passover is. What how would how can we describe Passover
in just a few words? What would you say?
S2 (03:10):
Well, I would say actually I begin it in my
chapter that Passover, the if you're going to think of
one word, you think of redemption. Passover is the story
of redemption. God purchasing us from our sin with the
blood of the Passover Lamb, which was a picture of
Yeshua Jesus dying for our sins. And so we're the
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redemption purchase of the Jewish people out of Egypt was
a picture of the Lord's redemption for Jew and Gentile
for the whole world. So really, short word. It's redemption
for all people.
S1 (03:44):
You know, a lot of times people ask me if
if I celebrate Passover and I say always, it's actually
it's it's the best holiday of the year for me.
And the reason is it's just what you're saying. It's
a celebration of redemption. And I say I get double
celebration because you and I, when we celebrate Passover, we
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celebrate redemption from slavery in Egypt, and we also celebrate
redemption from slavery to sin through our Lord Yeshua. Our
Lord Jesus, our the the Messiah. And so the Passover Lamb.
And so that's why it's a double celebration for those
of us who know Messiah, right?
S2 (04:25):
Well, well, you know, also from our Gentile friends, they
sort of look with envy upon us because when we
become believers, when we accept Yeshua Jesus as our Messiah,
the Passover becomes real. It's just it's real for us
every year. But now we understand the full meaning of it,
and it just doubles our blessing and our abundance and
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our joy when we realize that our Messiah that we've
always seen, actually the redemption story is fulfilled in Yeshua
or Messiah. So it's a real blessing for us. And
and it's just the story of our salvation.
S1 (05:00):
I think that's why so many of the non-Jewish friends
that we have who love Yeshua, love the Messiah, Jesus,
they want to celebrate Passover like here at Moody Bible Institute.
I lead a Passover celebration for the student body. And
obviously we have a few Messianic Jewish students. But the,
you know, hundreds of non-Jewish students come because they want
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to learn, they want to celebrate. It is so meaningful
to them, too. So that's what we're going to talk about.
You know, when I say we have a Passover celebration,
what I mean is we have a Passover, a messianic
Passover Seder, and so much of what we're talking about
revolves around the Seder. So the word seder means order
or service. But what are we talking about when we're
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talking about a Passover Seder?
S2 (05:48):
Well, as we go through the Seder, it's the story
actually found in Genesis. I'm sorry. Exodus chapter 12. When
God brought our people out of Egypt and they sacrificed
the blood of the lamb and that lamb, that blood,
was to redeem them from the slavery of Egypt. So
when we go through this story, almost all the elements
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are a picture, really, of that redemption that we've fulfilled
in Yeshua, the Messiah. So it's but now a lot
of times the Gentiles. non-Jewish people ask me why they
should be doing it, and I really enjoy that when
they ask that, because it's so not just meaningful for me,
but I tell non-Jewish people that they should be celebrating
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the Passover for a number of reasons. Actually, I give
a very short if I can, Mike, just a couple
of reasons. One is that it's going to be a
blessing to you. As promised in Genesis chapter 12, verse three,
I will bless those who bless you, and I will
curse those who curse you. And the non-Jewish people should
realize that The Passover comes about because somebody tried to
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curse our people. Pharaoh tried it. And I sometimes joke
about it that Pharaoh tried it. And then Haman tried
it and Antiochus tried it. And I said, so now
we have enough Jewish holidays. Now it's time to just
bless our people. But there was a great blessing for
them to realize it all came about because someone actually
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tried to curse our people. But also in first Corinthians
chapter five, the Apostle Paul applies his holiday to non-Jewish
people as well, and where he brings out the idea
of leaven being evil and malice and wickedness. He says
to clean out your life. So in some sense, where
Jewish people would clean out the leaven, Gentile people, non-Jewish
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people should also search out when they become believers to
change their life and clean up their life. And also
I tell them finally in Luke chapter 22, that they
should know that when they take the Lord's Supper, they're
really taking a miniature Passover feast. Yeah. It proclaims the
death of Messiah.
S1 (07:53):
So every time they have a Lord's Supper, they're celebrating Passover.
In a sense, right? Yeah. Right now. But the ceremonial meal,
the Seder, I think is interesting because there's a book
that goes with the ceremonial meal, the Haggadah, which has
all the traditions. And there's a plate that has that.
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The book kind of follows what's on this plate, and
there's these ceremonial objects that before we ever eat any food,
we're eating and interacting about these different ceremonial foods on
the Seder plate. And, uh, and so let's talk about
one of the elements on the Seder plate that you're
going to find. And I think that this is really
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crucial because it seems like such a inconsequential bit of food.
It's called parsley. Why is there parsley on on a
On a Seder plate.
S2 (08:49):
Well, I do want to mention that you're going to
mention a number that in this book they have some
great chapters, but also one of the chapters takes them
through the whole Passover Seder themselves. Yeah. So they if
they get this book, they'll be able to follow the
whole Seder. But the party is really interesting because it's
a sponge like plant that it represents a sponge like
plant called hyssop from the ancient biblical times, the hyssop.
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And it was like a sponge like plant that when
the Jewish people would sacrifice the lamb and shed the
blood and put it in a bowl, they would dip
this sponge like plant in the blood and place it
on the doorposts in the upper portion of the door,
so that when the angel of death came, they would
see the blood they put on the door, and they
would pass over that person's house, and they would pass
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from death into life. When Jewish people today take that,
they explained it in a number of different ways because
they would say, first, it's green, which represents the green
of springtime when God brought forth our Jewish people out
of slavery, out of Egypt, and set them free, but
also they dip it in a saltwater solution and they
dip it twice, once just to remind us of the
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tears of our forefathers in Egypt. And second, they dip
a second time to remind, remind themselves that they went
through the Red sea, which was also salty. And so
it's very, very symbolic of the events that took place.
But even finally, what where Jewish people are supposed to
remember is what I said before, that it's a dipping
in the blood of the Passover lamb and which would
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cover them, and they would. I don't think they fully
understood back in Moses time what they were doing, but
they did it by faith. And today, when we accept
Yeshua Jesus as our Messiah, it's as if we've taken
that parsley, dipped it in the blood of Messiah, and
he covers us with his death, his blood, and that
we passed from death into life.
S1 (10:39):
Yeah. You know, the Seder plate has so many wonderful
pictures that we need to talk about in just a moment.
So what we're going to do is we're going to
take a little break here, uh, and we're going to
come back in a moment to talk to Larry Feldman
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Welcome back to Open Line with me. Doctor Michael Ray.
This is a special pre-recorded holiday weekend edition of Open Line.
And this special Passover hour has my guest, Larry Feldman.
He's a messianic rabbi. He leads Congregation Shuva Yisrael in Irvine, California.
He also is the Western regional director for Chosen People Ministries,
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So remember go to Open Line Openline radio org. Well, Larry,
let's let's, uh, pick it up. We're talking about the
Seder or the service plate. The Seder plate that has
different elements on it. We've talked about parsley, but I
find in my life the most significant element on the
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Seder plate is a shank bone of a lamb. And
that's interesting to me because I come from a tradition
in my family where we never ate lamb for Passover,
even though that was the biblical food that we were
supposed to eat. Since the destruction of the temple, many
Jewish people don't eat lamb at Passover, but we have
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the the shank bone of a lamb on the Seder
plate to make us think of the lamb. What's up
with that?
S2 (13:29):
Well, we we as well, like you in our tradition,
we did not eat lamb. It is taken from the
command in Exodus chapter 12. We see it also in
Deuteronomy chapter 16, where Moses tells the Jewish people on
a certain day of the month they shall take the lamb,
and they shall sacrifice it. And so and then they
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shall eat the whole lamb that night at Passover. So
today we traditionally our families would go to the butcher
and get a shank bone of a lamb, and we
would have that on our plate. And the father would
traditionally hold up that lamb, and he would say that
we don't have a lamb today. We don't have the
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sacrifice anymore. All we have left of the ancient sacrifice
is this shankbone. And so, symbolically, the shankbone is supposed
to represent the lamb that was slain at Passover. And
so where they would say the shankbone is symbolic of
the Lamb of Passover, we would say that the Messiah,
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that that lamb, Passover, was symbolic of the Messiah yet
to come.
S1 (14:37):
Yeah. And even more significantly, when we celebrate Passover, we
hold up the shankbone of the lamb, and we're reminded
of what John said. Yochanan, John the Baptist, the Immerser, said,
when when he saw Yeshua coming to be immersed, he said,
Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin
of the world. That lamb was spotless, had no fault
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or blemish. Yeshua was sinless. That lamb was slain and
so was the Messiah, Jesus slain on our behalf. And
just as God passed over the the, the, the, the,
the sentence of death on the firstborn, on those homes
that had the blood of the Passover lamb on their doorposts.
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So when we apply the blood of Messiah Yeshua to
the doorposts of our heart, God passes over judgment on us.
It is a wonderful picture of what Paul says that Messiah,
our Passover, has been sacrificed for us. It is, I
think that's the. Wouldn't you say that that is the
most crucial part of the.
S2 (15:43):
I would say. Yeah. I see, I happen to be
an evangelist and I love sharing the good news of
the Messiah. And so I love the whole Passover meal,
but I love when we do get to that shankbone.
And I'm able to focus in on the importance of
the sacrifice. And as you said, I love holding it
up very high and showing the people that when John
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Yohannan walked and he saw the Messiah, he pointed to him,
and I hold up that shankbone and said, behold, the
Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.
It all points to our Messiah Yeshua. That's the beauty
of this whole holiday, and that Shankbone is the centerpiece
of it.
S1 (16:23):
And, you know, there's a couple of other things on
the Seder plate that that are significant. There's salt water
and there's horseradish or bitter herb. Uh, and it's become
almost a little bit of a joke at seders, you know.
How hot is the horseradish? And.
S2 (16:40):
Right.
S1 (16:40):
And. Right. And oh, if it gets really hot, people
run up and down. I once led a Seder at
my home, and I had a student at Moody, and
when he took some of the horseradish, we had some
of the hottest horseradish that year that I've ever had.
And he couldn't breathe. He ran out of the house.
He was choking it up. And, you know, that's kind
of funny, but there's a very serious part of having horseradish.
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What's the point of that?
S2 (17:05):
Well, you know, it's funny, because if the horseradish isn't
strong to make you cough. And I joke, I said
it's for a few reasons that we take it, but
one of the reasons I say is to clear out
our sinuses. But if it's not really, really strong, I
don't really feel like we've had a good Passover.
S1 (17:22):
Yeah, it's got to be strong. Yeah. What's that? It's
got to be strong. Yeah.
S2 (17:26):
Very, very strong. So you can really feel part of it.
But the idea is that it's supposed to remind us
of the tears and the suffering of our people in slavery,
and it's supposed to remind us of the bricks and
the mortar and the. And the what? They were working
for the Egyptians by slavery. And so it's supposed to
remind us of the harsh bitterness of slavery in Egypt.
S1 (17:50):
Yeah. That's the it is supposed to bring tears to
our eyes, which is why we also have salt water.
We dip the parsley in the salt water because it
reminds us our lives were immersed in tears when we
eat the horseradish, to remind us of the bitterness and
the tears of of slavery. But there's another element. It's
called charoset. And charoset is a mixture of apples and
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nuts and honey and wine, and it's all mixed together
into sort of a pasty consistency. And the apples are
obviously are graded and, and it's called charoset, which means mortar.
And obviously that fers to the mortar with which we
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built bricks when we were in Egypt. And there's a
certain point in the Seder, we take it off the
Seder plate and we eat it, and we actually eat
it on top of horseradish. I think that's a great picture,
don't you?
S2 (18:43):
Yes, I do. I love doing that part because the
people usually when I'm doing the Seder, first they have
the bitter herbs, the horseradish, and they're choking. And then
I say, now I'm going to give you another mixture.
And I know they don't trust me or believe me.
And so we mix it together with the horseradish, and
I try to assure them it'll be okay. The apples
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do help us. And I love the idea that almost
everything we do in the Seder, it's God doing repetition
all the time, reminding us of different things. And so here,
as we dip it in the sweet, uh charoset, we
remind ourselves that in the midst of our suffering, in
the midst of our slavery and remembering the the bad,
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we also remember that it was sweetened with the hope
of freedom that comes with Messiah.
S1 (19:30):
Mhm. Yeah. It shows how the sweetness of redemption overpowers
the bitterness of slavery. And the same way we put
the sweet on top of the horseradish, the sweet rosette,
even though it represents something that was so bitter, which
was the mortar with which we built bricks, even though
it represents that, it shows how the sweetness of God's
redemption overpowers the bitterness. And so, you know, a lot
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of times believers will say, oh, my life was better.
Before I knew the Lord, I didn't have any restraints,
I didn't. I could do whatever I wanted. I, you know,
moral freedom. No, no, no, that was slavery. And and
we don't want to go back to the tears. And instead,
we want to celebrate the sweetness of redemption. That Messiah's
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sweetness that that he's turned our. He's brought us from
the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his beloved son.
That's what God has done for us. So yeah, that's
I think that's a wonderful picture. But, you know, okay,
I want to shift here for a moment off the
Seder plate, and let's talk about what most people think
when they think of Passover, which is matzah. You know,
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some someone once said, oh, you revel in in celebrating Passover.
And I thought, revel. And they said, yeah, you probably
sit in a room going, matzo, matzo, matzo. No, no.
But I do love celebrating Passover. But matzo is like
a dry, crusty cracker. Right. So what is it? Talk
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about that, Larry.
S2 (20:59):
Well, um. Well, talk about the matzo. I it's another
part of this. I just love the whole Seder and
everything about it. But when I get to the matzo,
I really, really do like to preach the good news
of our Messiah because of the picture of the matzo.
And I have everyone look at that matzo, which when
we know.
S1 (21:17):
Well, let me just say, Larry, matzo is unleavened bread.
It is like a cracker, but it's unleavened bread. Yeah.
So go ahead.
S3 (21:23):
You're right.
S2 (21:23):
It's unleavened bread. And so when you look at it,
first of all, you notice a few things I tell people.
One is it's it's until 11, which is 11, was
a symbol of sin. So the masa is a picture
of our Messiah who had no sin. But also when
we look at that masa, we see their stripe marks
on it. And then there's two major things. We see
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their stripe marks and there's pierce marks. And this is
a picture of our Messiah. And I, I remind the
people that we see this in the Scripture in a
few different places specifically, and in Psalm 22, which speaks
about the death of our Messiah. It says that they
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pierced my hands and my feet, and we hold up
that masa. And you see those pierce marks? I remind
them that in Isaiah chapter 53 it said he would
be despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows
and acquainted with grief. And it goes on to say
that that he would be pierced through for our transgressions,
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he'd be crushed for our iniquities. And I'm holding that
masa up, showing them it's such a picture of our Messiah.
And then finally, the last verse I always love to
quote is in Zechariah chapter 12, when the Lord returns
and God says, I will pour out on the house
of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of
grace and supplication, so they shall look upon me whom
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they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as
one mourns for an only son. So this masa is
such a great picture of our Messiah, and I look
for every opportunity to take out the Bible verses and
share the good news of our Messiah.
S1 (23:03):
Yeah. So we look at a piece of masa and
we see the stripes. We're reminded of Isaiah 53 that
by his stripes we are healed, the stripes of a
Roman whip. And when it talks about he was pierced
through for our iniquities. That's the piercings of Roman nails
and a Roman spear. Uh, and and the, the bumpiness
of it. The bruises that were were given to our Messiah.
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What a picture. You know, and I love to tell
people that. And we're going to talk a little bit
more about the Lord's Supper. But symbols have meaning. And
when when Yeshua held up matzah and said, this is
my body, it wasn't some random piece of bread. He
wasn't picking up a piece of Italian loaf bread. He
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was picking up a piece of matzo because of this symbolism.
Don't you think that's why he chose that?
S2 (23:57):
Yeah, definitely. We see God always has symbols throughout all
the scriptures with the prophets. And so these the mass
is just such a perfect picture of our Messiah. And being,
like you said, bruised and pierced. There's such a great verses,
as I just read in Isaiah and Zechariah, he would
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be pierced. And so it's very moving during the Seder
to actually hold up that matzo and show the stripe
marks that we see in Isaiah 53 and see those
pierced marks and pointing everyone to our Messiah. People really
get moved and see the true meaning of Passover, even
through the matzah.
S1 (24:35):
Yeah, the matzah is it's very, very significant. We're going
to talk about the very important piece of matzo called
the afikomen when I'm back with Larry Feldman. This is Michael,
right on open line. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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and he is also my longtime friend. We became friends.
We met actually, oh, I don't know about 1975 or 6,
but then went to seminary together starting in 1979 and
became great friends right that year in seminary and have
remained gotten just closer and closer all through these years.
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I was just joking, Larry, that you are the person
whom I consider to have the the most broad, holistic
knowledge of Scripture. And that's because you read the Bible
every day and you said it's because you are obsessive. Right.
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But you know what? I think the Lord uses that.
I wish I had that kind of obsession with reading
scripture every day. And so that's what gives you that
special ability. Okay, Larry, let's talk about the matzo tash.
That means the matzo bag. There's a of all the
different things on the ceremonial table for Passover. There's this
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kind of bag that has three compartments, and it's called
a moustache, Tash. And it's got a piece of matzo
in each of the compartments. Now, the rabbis say it's
represents either Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or perhaps it represents
the three categories of Jewish people priests, Levites and laymen,
the Israelites. But Messianic Jews, we give it a special meaning,
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don't we?
S2 (28:22):
We do. We give it a special meaning. And I
like to share with people that most Jewish people don't
really know the three categories that you just said. And
so a lot of times when I'm sharing with you people,
I mentioned that that among our Jewish people, there's various
traditions of what it means, and they're not clear on
what it means, whether it's Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or
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the priests, the Levites and all the Jewish people. But
I say it's a very, very interesting thing that where
there's three of them, they're not allowed. When they come
to this ceremony, they're not allowed to take out the
top matzo, which there's three, and they have to take
out one, and they're not allowed to take out the
bottom one. So in a very dramatic ceremony, the father
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takes out the middle piece of matzo. He breaks it
and he holds it up high. He wraps it in
a linen cloth and he buries it. And interestingly enough,
it comes back where was resurrected actually, at the end
of the meal, during the third cup of redemption, in
which our Messiah said that that was the new covenant
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in his blood. But as they break this metal matzo
and he wraps it up, we realize probably over the years,
rabbis had added things to the Seder, and probably in
this instance, maybe the disciples and people way back put
it into the Seder to remind themselves of the second
person of the triune nature of God, the Messiah. And
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it has stayed as one of our Jewish traditions. So
we think that the middle matzo is symbolic of the Messiah.
The top one being the father and the middle one
the son, and the bottom one, the Holy Spirit.
S1 (30:00):
You know, the founder of Chosen People Ministries, Rabbi Leopold Cohen,
who came to the Lord when he came looking for
life and meaning in in the about 1890. He came
to the Lord, and then he founded Chosen People in 1894.
But his wife, Rose Cohen, she had. She couldn't believe
that her husband, this rabbi, had come to faith in Yeshua,
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in Jesus. And it was at their Seder, and she
had this real block against the triune nature of God.
And it was at their Seder, he held up the
matzo tash, the matzo bag, and he talked about it,
representing 3 in 1 father, son, and Holy Spirit, 3
in 1 right there. And it's just an object lesson.
But that's what convinced Rose to put her trust in
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the Messiah.
S2 (30:44):
And so that's really the only explanation when you when
you see it. And why the middle one? Why would
anyone pull out the Levites? Why would anyone pull out? Well, Isaac,
I can understand because there's a little picture of Messiah
from Genesis, but they pull out the middle one, the sun,
and he's broken. He's wrapped in a linen cloth. He
is buried. That is a perfect picture of our Messiah.
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And that's probably the best explanation for it.
S1 (31:09):
Yeah. And particularly what the bringing it back, you know,
at a at a regular Seder, A traditional Seder. It
was said that in ancient times, the rabbis encouraged leaving
a piece of the lamb that you ate like an
olive sized piece, and keep it separate and make that
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the dessert. So after you've finished the whole meal, you
ate the piece of lamb. Now, at the last Supper,
the last Seder, I like to call it the Lord
Jesus Yeshua. He took not a piece of lamb, but
a piece of matzo. And he held it up and said,
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this is my body which is given for you. And
I mean, obviously, we've talked about the symbolism of the matzo.
What a perfect symbol of his body. Uh, and then
he takes the third cup. There's four different cups at
a Seder meal. The third cup is the cup of redemption. Uh,
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which reminds us of the blood that was poured out
by the lamb and placed on the doorposts and bringing redemption.
And so he takes the third cup and says, this
is the new covenant in my blood. I mean, that
is remarkable to me, but let's just focus on the
piece of matzo that was broken, wrapped in linen, hidden away,
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brought back. And it is called the Afikomen. I am
convinced that that tradition began with early Messianic Jews, and
many Jewish study scholars agree with this, not just Jewish
followers of Yeshua, but that early Messianic Jews started this
tradition of taking the piece of matzo just like Yeshua
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had taught them. The the broken matzo, the little matzo
wrapped in linen, bringing it back at the third cup.
And they they would have that as their last piece of,
of food that they ate to remind them of Messiah.
And then this kind of found its way when the
when there was no longer a Passover sacrifice. This piece
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of matzo, the wrapped, wrapped in linen and brought back.
It became part of the traditional ceremony, which just remarkable,
especially because what it's called, it's called the afikomen, which
means Larry.
S2 (33:31):
Well, there's a couple definitions. One, one of the definitions
is just as a dessert, but I think there's probably
a tradition, a Greek tradition that means that I have come.
S1 (33:41):
Yeah. The one who has.
S3 (33:42):
Come have come back.
S1 (33:43):
That's the.
S3 (33:43):
Amazing thing.
S2 (33:44):
And I think what the beauty of this whole Seder
and the beauty of what God does in the scripture,
his repetition constantly to to get truth into us. He
I believe Yeshua was there at that Seder, and he
pointed to the lamb, and he said, This lamb is
my body. And he says, when we take this, you're
remembering me. And then at the end of the meal,
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when he takes that cup of redemption, he's basically saying
that every time you take this cup, every time you
take this Afikomen this dessert, it's me again. The body
of Messiah, which is given for you. You don't have
to wait once a year for Passover, but every time
you take this cup and every time you take the bread,
you are celebrating the Passover of Messiah. And that's what
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the beauty to tell non-Jewish people that they are remembering
the Passover. That's the roots of it. And there's such
beautiful roots to our faith. And so that when we
take that matzah at the end, that dessert, we remember
that he's come back and he's died for our sins,
and he was resurrected so that we might have life.
S1 (34:46):
Yeah, it's a great picture of the resurrection. It's a
great picture of Messiah's offering with that body and the
cup of redemption. You know, what I think is interesting is,
you know, different people in the past have gotten caught
up in what does it mean? This is my body
and this is the new covenant in my blood, and
that some people actually believe that the matzah turns mystically,
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or the bread turns mystically to the body of Messiah,
Or it turns the the cup turns mystically, the the
wine turns mystically into his actual blood. But no one
who has ever been to a Seder would think that.
S2 (35:22):
No, no. The. Yeah. The symbolism of the the lamb
symbolic of the Messiah, the the the cup symbolic of
the Messiah. It's a symbol that's trying to teach us something.
The body was the Messiah, his body, and the third
cup of redemption. Yeshua instituted this. And a lot of
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believers don't realize that the Lord's Supper was instituted at
the Last Supper, with Yeshua reminding us that there would
always be reminding us of Him and His death and
his shed blood.
S1 (35:54):
Yeah, and so no one thinks when we hold up
the salt water and say, these are our tears. No
one thinks that they literally become tears. And so when
we hold up the matzo or the cup, when we say,
this is the Messiah's body and this is Messiah's blood,
we're not saying it mystically becomes that which is saying
this is a symbol of Messiah's body and a symbol
of his blood. Well, I'll be back with Larry Feldman
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in just a moment to talk about the fourth Cup
and other important parts of Passover. So don't go away.
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Welcome back to Open Line with me. Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick.
And this is again a special Passover edition of Open Line.
Next hour we're going to talk about the resurrection narratives.
My guest this hour is Chosen People Ministries, Western regional director, leader,
rabbi of congregation Shuva Israel, Larry Feldman. Larry, how do
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you keep all those things balanced? My goodness.
S2 (37:36):
It's sometimes not easy, but the Lord is good.
S1 (37:40):
Well, we're going to keep talking about the Passover. One
of my the song. I think if people know one
song from Passover, even if they're not raised in a
Jewish home, it's the song Dayenu, which is just one
word in Hebrew. Uh, so we sing it over and over.
I'm not going to sing it for our listeners. Uh,
nor will you. I know how you and I sound
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on the radio singing, but we sing dayenu and it goes, die,
die die die die die die die, ya know? Over
and over and over again. So long that I always say, uh.
People are surprised. And that's the chorus. And then there's
a verse, and then we sing it about 25 times.
Dai dai dai dai dai inu. And I always say
it's because when they find out what it means, it
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means enough already. So enough singing. But that's not really
what it means. So. Uh, you love singing, don't you?
S2 (38:30):
I do, I love singing the song because it's just fun.
And the kids get into it. And the parents, everyone
gets into it. But the there is rich meaning in it,
because throughout the whole song, it's really. If God just
brought us out of Egypt, that would have been good.
We're thankful if God just gave us his law, his word. Diana,
that would have been enough if God just gave us
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the Sabbath. I know he does, but the whole idea
of the song is he goes way beyond. God does
way beyond what we ever ask or think. And so
of all people who should be able to say dayenu,
it's Its messianic believers, Jew and Gentile, who put their
trust in Yeshua. If the Lord just saved us and
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took us home immediately, we decided to say Diana for
all eternity. A lot of times I joke that when
I'm in churches, usually a big scrappy man comes up
and says, brother, I'm just praising the Lord. I woke
up today and I look at him and go, you
praise him more if you didn't.
S3 (39:29):
But aside from.
S2 (39:30):
That, that if he just took us on. But the
promise in the scripture is I came to give you
life and give it abundantly. At the beginning of our salvation,
it would have been enough right there. But he goes
on to give us a whole great life of faith
in him and a changed life. So it's a tremendous
blessing for us. The idea of Diana.
S1 (39:51):
Yeah. You know, it would have been enough had he
saved us. But he's given us the abundant life. It
would have been enough had he gave us abundant life.
But he also gave us the Holy Spirit to indwell us.
It would have been enough had he given us the
Holy Spirit. But he's given us gifts to serve him with.
It would have been enough to give his gifts to
serve him with, and it would have been all for,
you know, we were unworthy servants. But he promises us
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rewards if we'll serve him faithfully. I mean, every time
we think God has done enough and we want to say, Diana,
what does he do? He gives us abundantly far more
than we ever asked.
S3 (40:23):
Well, Michael.
S2 (40:24):
Um, when I say Diana, I tell people also that
when I first became a believer, when we first become believers,
back in 1972, when I did, one of the first
things we do is we ask, Lord, just save my mom,
save my dad, save my sister. That'll be enough. If
you just do that, I will be happy and content.
And so I shared with my mom for 20 years
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who had, uh, emphysema. And she struggled tremendously with it.
And she really, really struggled with it. And finally, she
prayed to receive the Lord toward the end of her life. And, uh,
and my father, an Orthodox Jewish man grew up Orthodox.
It took him 20 years and he with me prayed
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twice to receive the Lord. And then my sister. She
also prayed to receive the Lord. And the beauty of
all this of them accepting the Lord. Dayenu. It would
have been enough, but he goes beyond. He saved them.
And I say, Diana, for the rest of my life,
because he's been so good in my life, saving my
family and allowing me to share the good news.
S1 (41:30):
Yeah. You have these two wonderful daughters who are adults now,
and they both know the Lord and love and serve him.
It is God. Boy, it is true. When God does
those kinds of things, we sing over and over. Diana.
S3 (41:42):
Diana. Yeah.
S1 (41:44):
Okay, let's let's move on to near the end of
the set or near the end of the Seder. We
go to the door and we open it and to
see if Elijah is there to announce the Messiah, because
it's traditional that Messiah will come at Passover. And there's
actually a whole cup and a place setting for Elijah,
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who is the special guest we're going to invite in
at this point. So far, no one has gone to
the door and found Elijah. But it's interesting because at
the last Seder, they drank the third cup, and there's
still a fourth cup. The cup that's related to Elijah. Now,
when we opened the door for Elijah, the fourth cup
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is the cup of the kingdom or the cup of Praise?
The cup of blessing. The idea that there's going to
be a messiah coming. He's going to establish his kingdom.
And yet the disciples, they went out. They. It says
they they ate the meal. They had the matzo, they
had the third cup. And then they sang a hymn,
which are the praise psalms, the halal. And then they
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went out and they didn't drink the fourth cup. What's
up with that? Why did they leave the fourth cup standing?
S2 (42:53):
Well, in the scripture, actually, it tells us that, you know,
Elijah will come before the day of the Lord And, uh,
a lot of times people say we're still waiting for him.
But it's interesting that Yeshua did tell us and compare
John the Baptist to Elijah and where John actually, uh,
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was like Elijah. He was out in the wilderness. He
had a special outfit. He wore a special garment, a
special belt. He preached a special message. And Yeshua said
at two different points, if they had cared to accept it,
John was Elijah. He was playing the role of Elijah.
He was preparing the people for Elijah. And the sad
thing today is that our people missed John or missed Elijah,
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and they missed who the Messiah was. And so this
fourth Cup standing there and where we take it, it's
we take it for a number of reasons where we
sometimes they leave it standing because it reminds us of
we thank him for what he's done in this Passover,
but it reminds us of the future kingdom of him returning.
And so Yeshua said at that Passover that this couple
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would be left standing. And I will not drink it
again with you until I come, and I drink it
with you. And so it's a picture of when the
Messiah comes and the blessing that we will have with
him entering into the kingdom. And as we leave it standing,
we say, when our Messiah returns, we will drink it
together with him entering into the kingdom. A great, great
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final finish for the Seder.
S1 (44:22):
Yeah, it's great to me when I think about what
Yeshua said, that he won't drink it again until he
comes into his kingdom. And so at my Seder, I
know some people, some Messianic Jews finish the Seder with
drinking the fourth cup as a reminder that we will
drink it with him again in the future. But I
leave it standing, and we don't take it at the Seder,
because I want to remember that the Lord has been
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raised from the dead. He's ascended and he is coming back.
And then there's going to be a great messianic seder,
a great messianic banquet together with him. Yes. And then
we're going to drink that, that cup. And you know,
that's what Paul's talking about there in first Corinthians 11
when he talks about in this way, we show forth
the Lord's death until he comes, because we're not looking
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for his first coming now. We're looking for his return.
You've got 40s last comment, Larry.
S2 (45:14):
It's just great. And to celebrate the Passover, I encourage
Jewish and non-Jewish people to celebrate it. Learn the full
meaning so you can share it with people. Share the
joy of Passover and the true meaning of our Messiah
and the redemption he brings for all people.
S1 (45:29):
Yeah. You know, I just think, you know, no one
is obliged. You don't have to have a Seder. Our
redemption is in the Messiah, the Passover lamb. But if
you can get to a Passover Seder and see a
messianic Seder with all its significance, I think it will
really greatly benefit you, because it is a great celebration
of what Messiah Yeshua, the Lamb of God, has done
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for us. What a great thing. Thank you for being
my guest today, Larry.
S2 (45:56):
My pleasure. Mike. It's always good to.
S3 (45:57):
Be with you.
S1 (45:58):
Yeah. As I say, Larry Feldman. No one knows the
Bible better. And that's why not only. I mean, I'm
glad he's my friend, but that's why I have him
on the program. Thanks for listening, everyone. The first hour
of this special Passover edition of Open Line is a wrap.
Stay by your radio. There's a second hour of Open
Line on most of these stations, and we're going to
be talking about the resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus, as
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What does Passover have to do with our lives today?
What's the link between the Lord's Supper and Unleavened bread?
Between the Jewish festival of Passover and the observance of
Good Friday and Resurrection Day? We'll explore these questions and
more in just a moment. Hello, friends. Welcome to Open
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My name is Michael Riedel. I'm the dean and professor
of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. And
I'm coming to you from the Moody Radio Studios in
downtown Chicago. I'm glad to be sitting around the radio
kitchen table with you, where every week we talk about
your questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life.
But today is a special pre-recorded Holy Weekend edition of
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Open Line. So please, no phone calls today. Thanks to
Omar Mendoza for handling all the technical issues of this
pre-record and for Tricia McMillan for producing. Tonight starts the
last night of Passover, and tomorrow is the day when
followers of Jesus celebrate the resurrection. So I needed someone
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to help us to delve deep into the Jewish and
biblical roots of the celebration this weekend. So joining me
to talk about the Messiah in the Passover is Larry Feldman.
Larry Feldman has been working with Chosen People Ministries since 1974.
He earned degrees at Moody Bible Institute in Jewish Studies.
He also went to Dallas Seminary. We were there together.
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It was a great time together, and that's where we
became great friends. He's been a believer since 1972. Larry
also contributed a chapter to the book Messiah in the Passover,
linked at our website at openline. Most of you know
that Larry is my friend who's closer than a brother.
I don't know anyone who has a more holistic or
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thorough knowledge of Scripture than Larry does. And I want
to say thank you for joining me today, Larry.
S2 (02:07):
My pleasure to be back on the show. I always
enjoy being with you and the listeners for the show.
S1 (02:13):
Yeah, it's always great. Particularly, I know your expertise about
Passover because you wrote a chapter in a book. It's
actually it appears in two books, a bigger book, which
is going to be our featured resource today. It's called
Messiah in the Passover. But you also wrote a chapter
in a book, the same chapter. It's called The Gospel
in the Passover. And your chapter, sharing the gospel through
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the Passover is just such an exceptional chapter, such an
exceptional piece of work, that really I thought that as
we go through that, we're going to talk about it
and we'll be able to help our listeners really have
a better understanding of the bridge between Passover and the
celebration that is happening this weekend for them. So let's
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get started. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about what
Passover is. What how would how can we describe Passover
in just a few words? What would you say?
S2 (03:10):
Well, I would say actually I begin it in my
chapter that Passover, the if you're going to think of
one word, you think of redemption. Passover is the story
of redemption. God purchasing us from our sin with the
blood of the Passover Lamb, which was a picture of
Yeshua Jesus dying for our sins. And so we're the
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redemption purchase of the Jewish people out of Egypt was
a picture of the Lord's redemption for Jew and Gentile
for the whole world. So really, short word. It's redemption
for all people.
S1 (03:44):
You know, a lot of times people ask me if
if I celebrate Passover and I say always, it's actually
it's it's the best holiday of the year for me.
And the reason is it's just what you're saying. It's
a celebration of redemption. And I say I get double
celebration because you and I, when we celebrate Passover, we
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celebrate redemption from slavery in Egypt, and we also celebrate
redemption from slavery to sin through our Lord Yeshua. Our
Lord Jesus, our the the Messiah. And so the Passover Lamb.
And so that's why it's a double celebration for those
of us who know Messiah, right?
S2 (04:25):
Well, well, you know, also from our Gentile friends, they
sort of look with envy upon us because when we
become believers, when we accept Yeshua Jesus as our Messiah,
the Passover becomes real. It's just it's real for us
every year. But now we understand the full meaning of it,
and it just doubles our blessing and our abundance and
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our joy when we realize that our Messiah that we've
always seen, actually the redemption story is fulfilled in Yeshua
or Messiah. So it's a real blessing for us. And
and it's just the story of our salvation.
S1 (05:00):
I think that's why so many of the non-Jewish friends
that we have who love Yeshua, love the Messiah, Jesus,
they want to celebrate Passover like here at Moody Bible Institute.
I lead a Passover celebration for the student body. And
obviously we have a few Messianic Jewish students. But the,
you know, hundreds of non-Jewish students come because they want
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to learn, they want to celebrate. It is so meaningful
to them, too. So that's what we're going to talk about.
You know, when I say we have a Passover celebration,
what I mean is we have a Passover, a messianic
Passover Seder, and so much of what we're talking about
revolves around the Seder. So the word seder means order
or service. But what are we talking about when we're
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talking about a Passover Seder?
S2 (05:48):
Well, as we go through the Seder, it's the story
actually found in Genesis. I'm sorry. Exodus chapter 12. When
God brought our people out of Egypt and they sacrificed
the blood of the lamb and that lamb, that blood,
was to redeem them from the slavery of Egypt. So
when we go through this story, almost all the elements
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are a picture, really, of that redemption that we've fulfilled
in Yeshua, the Messiah. So it's but now a lot
of times the Gentiles. non-Jewish people ask me why they
should be doing it, and I really enjoy that when
they ask that, because it's so not just meaningful for me,
but I tell non-Jewish people that they should be celebrating
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the Passover for a number of reasons. Actually, I give
a very short if I can, Mike, just a couple
of reasons. One is that it's going to be a
blessing to you. As promised in Genesis chapter 12, verse three,
I will bless those who bless you, and I will
curse those who curse you. And the non-Jewish people should
realize that The Passover comes about because somebody tried to
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curse our people. Pharaoh tried it. And I sometimes joke
about it that Pharaoh tried it. And then Haman tried
it and Antiochus tried it. And I said, so now
we have enough Jewish holidays. Now it's time to just
bless our people. But there was a great blessing for
them to realize it all came about because someone actually
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tried to curse our people. But also in first Corinthians
chapter five, the Apostle Paul applies his holiday to non-Jewish
people as well, and where he brings out the idea
of leaven being evil and malice and wickedness. He says
to clean out your life. So in some sense, where
Jewish people would clean out the leaven, Gentile people, non-Jewish
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people should also search out when they become believers to
change their life and clean up their life. And also
I tell them finally in Luke chapter 22, that they
should know that when they take the Lord's Supper, they're
really taking a miniature Passover feast. Yeah. It proclaims the
death of Messiah.
S1 (07:53):
So every time they have a Lord's Supper, they're celebrating Passover.
In a sense, right? Yeah. Right now. But the ceremonial meal,
the Seder, I think is interesting because there's a book
that goes with the ceremonial meal, the Haggadah, which has
all the traditions. And there's a plate that has that.
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The book kind of follows what's on this plate, and
there's these ceremonial objects that before we ever eat any food,
we're eating and interacting about these different ceremonial foods on
the Seder plate. And, uh, and so let's talk about
one of the elements on the Seder plate that you're
going to find. And I think that this is really
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crucial because it seems like such a inconsequential bit of food.
It's called parsley. Why is there parsley on on a
On a Seder plate.
S2 (08:49):
Well, I do want to mention that you're going to
mention a number that in this book they have some
great chapters, but also one of the chapters takes them
through the whole Passover Seder themselves. Yeah. So they if
they get this book, they'll be able to follow the
whole Seder. But the party is really interesting because it's
a sponge like plant that it represents a sponge like
plant called hyssop from the ancient biblical times, the hyssop.
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And it was like a sponge like plant that when
the Jewish people would sacrifice the lamb and shed the
blood and put it in a bowl, they would dip
this sponge like plant in the blood and place it
on the doorposts in the upper portion of the door,
so that when the angel of death came, they would
see the blood they put on the door, and they
would pass over that person's house, and they would pass
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from death into life. When Jewish people today take that,
they explained it in a number of different ways because
they would say, first, it's green, which represents the green
of springtime when God brought forth our Jewish people out
of slavery, out of Egypt, and set them free, but
also they dip it in a saltwater solution and they
dip it twice, once just to remind us of the
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tears of our forefathers in Egypt. And second, they dip
a second time to remind, remind themselves that they went
through the Red sea, which was also salty. And so
it's very, very symbolic of the events that took place.
But even finally, what where Jewish people are supposed to
remember is what I said before, that it's a dipping
in the blood of the Passover lamb and which would
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cover them, and they would. I don't think they fully
understood back in Moses time what they were doing, but
they did it by faith. And today, when we accept
Yeshua Jesus as our Messiah, it's as if we've taken
that parsley, dipped it in the blood of Messiah, and
he covers us with his death, his blood, and that
we passed from death into life.
S1 (10:39):
Yeah. You know, the Seder plate has so many wonderful
pictures that we need to talk about in just a moment.
So what we're going to do is we're going to
take a little break here, uh, and we're going to
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This is a special pre-recorded holiday weekend edition of Open Line.
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let's let's, uh, pick it up. We're talking about the
Seder or the service plate. The Seder plate that has
different elements on it. We've talked about parsley, but I
find in my life the most significant element on the
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Seder plate is a shank bone of a lamb. And
that's interesting to me because I come from a tradition
in my family where we never ate lamb for Passover,
even though that was the biblical food that we were
supposed to eat. Since the destruction of the temple, many
Jewish people don't eat lamb at Passover, but we have
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the the shank bone of a lamb on the Seder
plate to make us think of the lamb. What's up
with that?
S2 (13:29):
Well, we we as well, like you in our tradition,
we did not eat lamb. It is taken from the
command in Exodus chapter 12. We see it also in
Deuteronomy chapter 16, where Moses tells the Jewish people on
a certain day of the month they shall take the lamb,
and they shall sacrifice it. And so and then they
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shall eat the whole lamb that night at Passover. So
today we traditionally our families would go to the butcher
and get a shank bone of a lamb, and we
would have that on our plate. And the father would
traditionally hold up that lamb, and he would say that
we don't have a lamb today. We don't have the
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sacrifice anymore. All we have left of the ancient sacrifice
is this shankbone. And so, symbolically, the shankbone is supposed
to represent the lamb that was slain at Passover. And
so where they would say the shankbone is symbolic of
the Lamb of Passover, we would say that the Messiah,
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that that lamb, Passover, was symbolic of the Messiah yet
to come.
S1 (14:37):
Yeah. And even more significantly, when we celebrate Passover, we
hold up the shankbone of the lamb, and we're reminded
of what John said. Yochanan, John the Baptist, the Immerser, said,
when when he saw Yeshua coming to be immersed, he said,
Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin
of the world. That lamb was spotless, had no fault
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or blemish. Yeshua was sinless. That lamb was slain and
so was the Messiah, Jesus slain on our behalf. And
just as God passed over the the, the, the, the,
the sentence of death on the firstborn, on those homes
that had the blood of the Passover lamb on their doorposts.
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So when we apply the blood of Messiah Yeshua to
the doorposts of our heart, God passes over judgment on us.
It is a wonderful picture of what Paul says that Messiah,
our Passover, has been sacrificed for us. It is, I
think that's the. Wouldn't you say that that is the
most crucial part of the.
S2 (15:43):
I would say. Yeah. I see, I happen to be
an evangelist and I love sharing the good news of
the Messiah. And so I love the whole Passover meal,
but I love when we do get to that shankbone.
And I'm able to focus in on the importance of
the sacrifice. And as you said, I love holding it
up very high and showing the people that when John
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Yohannan walked and he saw the Messiah, he pointed to him,
and I hold up that shankbone and said, behold, the
Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.
It all points to our Messiah Yeshua. That's the beauty
of this whole holiday, and that Shankbone is the centerpiece
of it.
S1 (16:23):
And, you know, there's a couple of other things on
the Seder plate that that are significant. There's salt water
and there's horseradish or bitter herb. Uh, and it's become
almost a little bit of a joke at seders, you know.
How hot is the horseradish? And.
S2 (16:40):
Right.
S1 (16:40):
And. Right. And oh, if it gets really hot, people
run up and down. I once led a Seder at
my home, and I had a student at Moody, and
when he took some of the horseradish, we had some
of the hottest horseradish that year that I've ever had.
And he couldn't breathe. He ran out of the house.
He was choking it up. And, you know, that's kind
of funny, but there's a very serious part of having horseradish.
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What's the point of that?
S2 (17:05):
Well, you know, it's funny, because if the horseradish isn't
strong to make you cough. And I joke, I said
it's for a few reasons that we take it, but
one of the reasons I say is to clear out
our sinuses. But if it's not really, really strong, I
don't really feel like we've had a good Passover.
S1 (17:22):
Yeah, it's got to be strong. Yeah. What's that? It's
got to be strong. Yeah.
S2 (17:26):
Very, very strong. So you can really feel part of it.
But the idea is that it's supposed to remind us
of the tears and the suffering of our people in slavery,
and it's supposed to remind us of the bricks and
the mortar and the. And the what? They were working
for the Egyptians by slavery. And so it's supposed to
remind us of the harsh bitterness of slavery in Egypt.
S1 (17:50):
Yeah. That's the it is supposed to bring tears to
our eyes, which is why we also have salt water.
We dip the parsley in the salt water because it
reminds us our lives were immersed in tears when we
eat the horseradish, to remind us of the bitterness and
the tears of of slavery. But there's another element. It's
called charoset. And charoset is a mixture of apples and
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nuts and honey and wine, and it's all mixed together
into sort of a pasty consistency. And the apples are
obviously are graded and, and it's called charoset, which means mortar.
And obviously that fers to the mortar with which we
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built bricks when we were in Egypt. And there's a
certain point in the Seder, we take it off the
Seder plate and we eat it, and we actually eat
it on top of horseradish. I think that's a great picture,
don't you?
S2 (18:43):
Yes, I do. I love doing that part because the
people usually when I'm doing the Seder, first they have
the bitter herbs, the horseradish, and they're choking. And then
I say, now I'm going to give you another mixture.
And I know they don't trust me or believe me.
And so we mix it together with the horseradish, and
I try to assure them it'll be okay. The apples
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do help us. And I love the idea that almost
everything we do in the Seder, it's God doing repetition
all the time, reminding us of different things. And so here,
as we dip it in the sweet, uh charoset, we
remind ourselves that in the midst of our suffering, in
the midst of our slavery and remembering the the bad,
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we also remember that it was sweetened with the hope
of freedom that comes with Messiah.
S1 (19:30):
Mhm. Yeah. It shows how the sweetness of redemption overpowers
the bitterness of slavery. And the same way we put
the sweet on top of the horseradish, the sweet rosette,
even though it represents something that was so bitter, which
was the mortar with which we built bricks, even though
it represents that, it shows how the sweetness of God's
redemption overpowers the bitterness. And so, you know, a lot
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of times believers will say, oh, my life was better.
Before I knew the Lord, I didn't have any restraints,
I didn't. I could do whatever I wanted. I, you know,
moral freedom. No, no, no, that was slavery. And and
we don't want to go back to the tears. And instead,
we want to celebrate the sweetness of redemption. That Messiah's
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sweetness that that he's turned our. He's brought us from
the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his beloved son.
That's what God has done for us. So yeah, that's
I think that's a wonderful picture. But, you know, okay,
I want to shift here for a moment off the
Seder plate, and let's talk about what most people think
when they think of Passover, which is matzah. You know,
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some someone once said, oh, you revel in in celebrating Passover.
And I thought, revel. And they said, yeah, you probably
sit in a room going, matzo, matzo, matzo. No, no.
But I do love celebrating Passover. But matzo is like
a dry, crusty cracker. Right. So what is it? Talk
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about that, Larry.
S2 (20:59):
Well, um. Well, talk about the matzo. I it's another
part of this. I just love the whole Seder and
everything about it. But when I get to the matzo,
I really, really do like to preach the good news
of our Messiah because of the picture of the matzo.
And I have everyone look at that matzo, which when
we know.
S1 (21:17):
Well, let me just say, Larry, matzo is unleavened bread.
It is like a cracker, but it's unleavened bread. Yeah.
So go ahead.
S3 (21:23):
You're right.
S2 (21:23):
It's unleavened bread. And so when you look at it,
first of all, you notice a few things I tell people.
One is it's it's until 11, which is 11, was
a symbol of sin. So the masa is a picture
of our Messiah who had no sin. But also when
we look at that masa, we see their stripe marks
on it. And then there's two major things. We see
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their stripe marks and there's pierce marks. And this is
a picture of our Messiah. And I, I remind the
people that we see this in the Scripture in a
few different places specifically, and in Psalm 22, which speaks
about the death of our Messiah. It says that they
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pierced my hands and my feet, and we hold up
that masa. And you see those pierce marks? I remind
them that in Isaiah chapter 53 it said he would
be despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows
and acquainted with grief. And it goes on to say
that that he would be pierced through for our transgressions,
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he'd be crushed for our iniquities. And I'm holding that
masa up, showing them it's such a picture of our Messiah.
And then finally, the last verse I always love to
quote is in Zechariah chapter 12, when the Lord returns
and God says, I will pour out on the house
of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of
grace and supplication, so they shall look upon me whom
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they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as
one mourns for an only son. So this masa is
such a great picture of our Messiah, and I look
for every opportunity to take out the Bible verses and
share the good news of our Messiah.
S1 (23:03):
Yeah. So we look at a piece of masa and
we see the stripes. We're reminded of Isaiah 53 that
by his stripes we are healed, the stripes of a
Roman whip. And when it talks about he was pierced
through for our iniquities. That's the piercings of Roman nails
and a Roman spear. Uh, and and the, the bumpiness
of it. The bruises that were were given to our Messiah.
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What a picture. You know, and I love to tell
people that. And we're going to talk a little bit
more about the Lord's Supper. But symbols have meaning. And
when when Yeshua held up matzah and said, this is
my body, it wasn't some random piece of bread. He
wasn't picking up a piece of Italian loaf bread. He
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was picking up a piece of matzo because of this symbolism.
Don't you think that's why he chose that?
S2 (23:57):
Yeah, definitely. We see God always has symbols throughout all
the scriptures with the prophets. And so these the mass
is just such a perfect picture of our Messiah. And being,
like you said, bruised and pierced. There's such a great verses,
as I just read in Isaiah and Zechariah, he would
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be pierced. And so it's very moving during the Seder
to actually hold up that matzo and show the stripe
marks that we see in Isaiah 53 and see those
pierced marks and pointing everyone to our Messiah. People really
get moved and see the true meaning of Passover, even
through the matzah.
S1 (24:35):
Yeah, the matzah is it's very, very significant. We're going
to talk about the very important piece of matzo called
the afikomen when I'm back with Larry Feldman. This is Michael,
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became great friends right that year in seminary and have
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I was just joking, Larry, that you are the person
whom I consider to have the the most broad, holistic
knowledge of Scripture. And that's because you read the Bible
every day and you said it's because you are obsessive. Right.
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But you know what? I think the Lord uses that.
I wish I had that kind of obsession with reading
scripture every day. And so that's what gives you that
special ability. Okay, Larry, let's talk about the matzo tash.
That means the matzo bag. There's a of all the
different things on the ceremonial table for Passover. There's this
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kind of bag that has three compartments, and it's called
a moustache, Tash. And it's got a piece of matzo
in each of the compartments. Now, the rabbis say it's
represents either Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or perhaps it represents
the three categories of Jewish people priests, Levites and laymen,
the Israelites. But Messianic Jews, we give it a special meaning,
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don't we?
S2 (28:22):
We do. We give it a special meaning. And I
like to share with people that most Jewish people don't
really know the three categories that you just said. And
so a lot of times when I'm sharing with you people,
I mentioned that that among our Jewish people, there's various
traditions of what it means, and they're not clear on
what it means, whether it's Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or
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the priests, the Levites and all the Jewish people. But
I say it's a very, very interesting thing that where
there's three of them, they're not allowed. When they come
to this ceremony, they're not allowed to take out the
top matzo, which there's three, and they have to take
out one, and they're not allowed to take out the
bottom one. So in a very dramatic ceremony, the father
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takes out the middle piece of matzo. He breaks it
and he holds it up high. He wraps it in
a linen cloth and he buries it. And interestingly enough,
it comes back where was resurrected actually, at the end
of the meal, during the third cup of redemption, in
which our Messiah said that that was the new covenant
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in his blood. But as they break this metal matzo
and he wraps it up, we realize probably over the years,
rabbis had added things to the Seder, and probably in
this instance, maybe the disciples and people way back put
it into the Seder to remind themselves of the second
person of the triune nature of God, the Messiah. And
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it has stayed as one of our Jewish traditions. So
we think that the middle matzo is symbolic of the Messiah.
The top one being the father and the middle one
the son, and the bottom one, the Holy Spirit.
S1 (30:00):
You know, the founder of Chosen People Ministries, Rabbi Leopold Cohen,
who came to the Lord when he came looking for
life and meaning in in the about 1890. He came
to the Lord, and then he founded Chosen People in 1894.
But his wife, Rose Cohen, she had. She couldn't believe
that her husband, this rabbi, had come to faith in Yeshua,
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in Jesus. And it was at their Seder, and she
had this real block against the triune nature of God.
And it was at their Seder, he held up the
matzo tash, the matzo bag, and he talked about it,
representing 3 in 1 father, son, and Holy Spirit, 3
in 1 right there. And it's just an object lesson.
But that's what convinced Rose to put her trust in
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the Messiah.
S2 (30:44):
And so that's really the only explanation when you when
you see it. And why the middle one? Why would
anyone pull out the Levites? Why would anyone pull out? Well, Isaac,
I can understand because there's a little picture of Messiah
from Genesis, but they pull out the middle one, the sun,
and he's broken. He's wrapped in a linen cloth. He
is buried. That is a perfect picture of our Messiah.
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And that's probably the best explanation for it.
S1 (31:09):
Yeah. And particularly what the bringing it back, you know,
at a at a regular Seder, A traditional Seder. It
was said that in ancient times, the rabbis encouraged leaving
a piece of the lamb that you ate like an
olive sized piece, and keep it separate and make that
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the dessert. So after you've finished the whole meal, you
ate the piece of lamb. Now, at the last Supper,
the last Seder, I like to call it the Lord
Jesus Yeshua. He took not a piece of lamb, but
a piece of matzo. And he held it up and said,
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this is my body which is given for you. And
I mean, obviously, we've talked about the symbolism of the matzo.
What a perfect symbol of his body. Uh, and then
he takes the third cup. There's four different cups at
a Seder meal. The third cup is the cup of redemption. Uh,
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which reminds us of the blood that was poured out
by the lamb and placed on the doorposts and bringing redemption.
And so he takes the third cup and says, this
is the new covenant in my blood. I mean, that
is remarkable to me, but let's just focus on the
piece of matzo that was broken, wrapped in linen, hidden away,
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brought back. And it is called the Afikomen. I am
convinced that that tradition began with early Messianic Jews, and
many Jewish study scholars agree with this, not just Jewish
followers of Yeshua, but that early Messianic Jews started this
tradition of taking the piece of matzo just like Yeshua
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had taught them. The the broken matzo, the little matzo
wrapped in linen, bringing it back at the third cup.
And they they would have that as their last piece of,
of food that they ate to remind them of Messiah.
And then this kind of found its way when the
when there was no longer a Passover sacrifice. This piece
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of matzo, the wrapped, wrapped in linen and brought back.
It became part of the traditional ceremony, which just remarkable,
especially because what it's called, it's called the afikomen, which
means Larry.
S2 (33:31):
Well, there's a couple definitions. One, one of the definitions
is just as a dessert, but I think there's probably
a tradition, a Greek tradition that means that I have come.
S1 (33:41):
Yeah. The one who has.
S3 (33:42):
Come have come back.
S1 (33:43):
That's the.
S3 (33:43):
Amazing thing.
S2 (33:44):
And I think what the beauty of this whole Seder
and the beauty of what God does in the scripture,
his repetition constantly to to get truth into us. He
I believe Yeshua was there at that Seder, and he
pointed to the lamb, and he said, This lamb is
my body. And he says, when we take this, you're
remembering me. And then at the end of the meal,
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when he takes that cup of redemption, he's basically saying
that every time you take this cup, every time you
take this Afikomen this dessert, it's me again. The body
of Messiah, which is given for you. You don't have
to wait once a year for Passover, but every time
you take this cup and every time you take the bread,
you are celebrating the Passover of Messiah. And that's what
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the beauty to tell non-Jewish people that they are remembering
the Passover. That's the roots of it. And there's such
beautiful roots to our faith. And so that when we
take that matzah at the end, that dessert, we remember
that he's come back and he's died for our sins,
and he was resurrected so that we might have life.
S1 (34:46):
Yeah, it's a great picture of the resurrection. It's a
great picture of Messiah's offering with that body and the
cup of redemption. You know, what I think is interesting is,
you know, different people in the past have gotten caught
up in what does it mean? This is my body
and this is the new covenant in my blood, and
that some people actually believe that the matzah turns mystically,
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or the bread turns mystically to the body of Messiah,
Or it turns the the cup turns mystically, the the
wine turns mystically into his actual blood. But no one
who has ever been to a Seder would think that.
S2 (35:22):
No, no. The. Yeah. The symbolism of the the lamb
symbolic of the Messiah, the the the cup symbolic of
the Messiah. It's a symbol that's trying to teach us something.
The body was the Messiah, his body, and the third
cup of redemption. Yeshua instituted this. And a lot of
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believers don't realize that the Lord's Supper was instituted at
the Last Supper, with Yeshua reminding us that there would
always be reminding us of Him and His death and
his shed blood.
S1 (35:54):
Yeah, and so no one thinks when we hold up
the salt water and say, these are our tears. No
one thinks that they literally become tears. And so when
we hold up the matzo or the cup, when we say,
this is the Messiah's body and this is Messiah's blood,
we're not saying it mystically becomes that which is saying
this is a symbol of Messiah's body and a symbol
of his blood. Well, I'll be back with Larry Feldman
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in just a moment to talk about the fourth Cup
and other important parts of Passover. So don't go away.
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Welcome back to Open Line with me. Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick.
And this is again a special Passover edition of Open Line.
Next hour we're going to talk about the resurrection narratives.
My guest this hour is Chosen People Ministries, Western regional director, leader,
rabbi of congregation Shuva Israel, Larry Feldman. Larry, how do
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you keep all those things balanced? My goodness.
S2 (37:36):
It's sometimes not easy, but the Lord is good.
S1 (37:40):
Well, we're going to keep talking about the Passover. One
of my the song. I think if people know one
song from Passover, even if they're not raised in a
Jewish home, it's the song Dayenu, which is just one
word in Hebrew. Uh, so we sing it over and over.
I'm not going to sing it for our listeners. Uh,
nor will you. I know how you and I sound
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on the radio singing, but we sing dayenu and it goes, die,
die die die die die die die, ya know? Over
and over and over again. So long that I always say, uh.
People are surprised. And that's the chorus. And then there's
a verse, and then we sing it about 25 times.
Dai dai dai dai dai inu. And I always say
it's because when they find out what it means, it
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means enough already. So enough singing. But that's not really
what it means. So. Uh, you love singing, don't you?
S2 (38:30):
I do, I love singing the song because it's just fun.
And the kids get into it. And the parents, everyone
gets into it. But the there is rich meaning in it,
because throughout the whole song, it's really. If God just
brought us out of Egypt, that would have been good.
We're thankful if God just gave us his law, his word. Diana,
that would have been enough if God just gave us
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the Sabbath. I know he does, but the whole idea
of the song is he goes way beyond. God does
way beyond what we ever ask or think. And so
of all people who should be able to say dayenu,
it's Its messianic believers, Jew and Gentile, who put their
trust in Yeshua. If the Lord just saved us and
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took us home immediately, we decided to say Diana for
all eternity. A lot of times I joke that when
I'm in churches, usually a big scrappy man comes up
and says, brother, I'm just praising the Lord. I woke
up today and I look at him and go, you
praise him more if you didn't.
S3 (39:29):
But aside from.
S2 (39:30):
That, that if he just took us on. But the
promise in the scripture is I came to give you
life and give it abundantly. At the beginning of our salvation,
it would have been enough right there. But he goes
on to give us a whole great life of faith
in him and a changed life. So it's a tremendous
blessing for us. The idea of Diana.
S1 (39:51):
Yeah. You know, it would have been enough had he
saved us. But he's given us the abundant life. It
would have been enough had he gave us abundant life.
But he also gave us the Holy Spirit to indwell us.
It would have been enough had he given us the
Holy Spirit. But he's given us gifts to serve him with.
It would have been enough to give his gifts to
serve him with, and it would have been all for,
you know, we were unworthy servants. But he promises us
(40:12):
rewards if we'll serve him faithfully. I mean, every time
we think God has done enough and we want to say, Diana,
what does he do? He gives us abundantly far more
than we ever asked.
S3 (40:23):
Well, Michael.
S2 (40:24):
Um, when I say Diana, I tell people also that
when I first became a believer, when we first become believers,
back in 1972, when I did, one of the first
things we do is we ask, Lord, just save my mom,
save my dad, save my sister. That'll be enough. If
you just do that, I will be happy and content.
And so I shared with my mom for 20 years
(40:48):
who had, uh, emphysema. And she struggled tremendously with it.
And she really, really struggled with it. And finally, she
prayed to receive the Lord toward the end of her life. And, uh,
and my father, an Orthodox Jewish man grew up Orthodox.
It took him 20 years and he with me prayed
(41:08):
twice to receive the Lord. And then my sister. She
also prayed to receive the Lord. And the beauty of
all this of them accepting the Lord. Dayenu. It would
have been enough, but he goes beyond. He saved them.
And I say, Diana, for the rest of my life,
because he's been so good in my life, saving my
family and allowing me to share the good news.
S1 (41:30):
Yeah. You have these two wonderful daughters who are adults now,
and they both know the Lord and love and serve him.
It is God. Boy, it is true. When God does
those kinds of things, we sing over and over. Diana.
S3 (41:42):
Diana. Yeah.
S1 (41:44):
Okay, let's let's move on to near the end of
the set or near the end of the Seder. We
go to the door and we open it and to
see if Elijah is there to announce the Messiah, because
it's traditional that Messiah will come at Passover. And there's
actually a whole cup and a place setting for Elijah,
(42:04):
who is the special guest we're going to invite in
at this point. So far, no one has gone to
the door and found Elijah. But it's interesting because at
the last Seder, they drank the third cup, and there's
still a fourth cup. The cup that's related to Elijah. Now,
when we opened the door for Elijah, the fourth cup
(42:24):
is the cup of the kingdom or the cup of Praise?
The cup of blessing. The idea that there's going to
be a messiah coming. He's going to establish his kingdom.
And yet the disciples, they went out. They. It says
they they ate the meal. They had the matzo, they
had the third cup. And then they sang a hymn,
which are the praise psalms, the halal. And then they
(42:47):
went out and they didn't drink the fourth cup. What's
up with that? Why did they leave the fourth cup standing?
S2 (42:53):
Well, in the scripture, actually, it tells us that, you know,
Elijah will come before the day of the Lord And, uh,
a lot of times people say we're still waiting for him.
But it's interesting that Yeshua did tell us and compare
John the Baptist to Elijah and where John actually, uh,
(43:13):
was like Elijah. He was out in the wilderness. He
had a special outfit. He wore a special garment, a
special belt. He preached a special message. And Yeshua said
at two different points, if they had cared to accept it,
John was Elijah. He was playing the role of Elijah.
He was preparing the people for Elijah. And the sad
thing today is that our people missed John or missed Elijah,
(43:37):
and they missed who the Messiah was. And so this
fourth Cup standing there and where we take it, it's
we take it for a number of reasons where we
sometimes they leave it standing because it reminds us of
we thank him for what he's done in this Passover,
but it reminds us of the future kingdom of him returning.
And so Yeshua said at that Passover that this couple
(44:00):
would be left standing. And I will not drink it
again with you until I come, and I drink it
with you. And so it's a picture of when the
Messiah comes and the blessing that we will have with
him entering into the kingdom. And as we leave it standing,
we say, when our Messiah returns, we will drink it
together with him entering into the kingdom. A great, great
(44:20):
final finish for the Seder.
S1 (44:22):
Yeah, it's great to me when I think about what
Yeshua said, that he won't drink it again until he
comes into his kingdom. And so at my Seder, I
know some people, some Messianic Jews finish the Seder with
drinking the fourth cup as a reminder that we will
drink it with him again in the future. But I
leave it standing, and we don't take it at the Seder,
because I want to remember that the Lord has been
(44:44):
raised from the dead. He's ascended and he is coming back.
And then there's going to be a great messianic seder,
a great messianic banquet together with him. Yes. And then
we're going to drink that, that cup. And you know,
that's what Paul's talking about there in first Corinthians 11
when he talks about in this way, we show forth
the Lord's death until he comes, because we're not looking
(45:08):
for his first coming now. We're looking for his return.
You've got 40s last comment, Larry.
S2 (45:14):
It's just great. And to celebrate the Passover, I encourage
Jewish and non-Jewish people to celebrate it. Learn the full
meaning so you can share it with people. Share the
joy of Passover and the true meaning of our Messiah
and the redemption he brings for all people.
S1 (45:29):
Yeah. You know, I just think, you know, no one
is obliged. You don't have to have a Seder. Our
redemption is in the Messiah, the Passover lamb. But if
you can get to a Passover Seder and see a
messianic Seder with all its significance, I think it will
really greatly benefit you, because it is a great celebration
of what Messiah Yeshua, the Lamb of God, has done
(45:52):
for us. What a great thing. Thank you for being
my guest today, Larry.
S2 (45:56):
My pleasure. Mike. It's always good to.
S3 (45:57):
Be with you.
S1 (45:58):
Yeah. As I say, Larry Feldman. No one knows the
Bible better. And that's why not only. I mean, I'm
glad he's my friend, but that's why I have him
on the program. Thanks for listening, everyone. The first hour
of this special Passover edition of Open Line is a wrap.
Stay by your radio. There's a second hour of Open
Line on most of these stations, and we're going to
be talking about the resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus, as
(46:20):
recorded in the New Testament Gospels. I have a special
guest next hour as well. During the break you can
check out the web page Open Line radio.org. That page
has links to past programs to email, Facebook, Twitter, whatever
you need. It's there. There's also a link to my
personal web page so you can find out what I'm
up to and even about trips to Israel. There's a
(46:41):
link also to the Chosen People Ministries free resource. Open
Line with Michael Radonich is a production of Moody Radio,
a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.
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