July 19, 2025 • 46 mins
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S1 (00:09):
Hello, friends. It's time for the second hour of Open
Line with Doctor Michael Ray Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America.
We're going to be talking about your questions about the Bible, God,
and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray Melnick,
and I'm so glad to be with you today. We're
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the seminary, but only one that we called Prof. Because
he was the exemplar of a great teacher. He was
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for doing that. Well, we're going to talk to Josie
in Saint Petersburg, Florida, listening on welcome to Open Line, Josie.
How can I help you today?
S2 (03:12):
Good afternoon, Doctor Rinaldi. I got a question. I was
giving a Bible study in my church about, uh, the
wedding when Jesus made the wine. The problem that it
happened in the class, that somebody made a question about
the wine, about the percentage. Because we're talking about the
Jewish tradition that the wedding would take seven days of celebration.
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So half of the class agrees on drinking alcohol, and
the other half doesn't doesn't agree about drinking alcohol. So
I'm a little bit I need to get information because
I was explaining that the percentage of alcohol of that time,
the wine is not like fermentation at this time. So
that's why I'm calling you. If you could give me
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pointers where I could get more information, or if I
could buy a book to correct.
S1 (04:01):
Yeah. If I. If I were you, I'd go to
the library. And your library should have a copy of
Encyclopaedia Judaica. Uh, you can also get a copy online
or access a copy of Encyclopaedia Judaica online. I'd look
up wine. That's what I would do. Now, what we
know about wine in the, for example, Second Maccabees talks
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about everyday wine was watered down, diluted, uh, three, 3
to 1, uh uh, three parts water to one part wine. Uh,
it still had alcoholic content, but it was watered down. Uh, also, uh,
the the wine, uh, the Talmud, uh, the rabbinic writings
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talks about everyday wine being watered down. However, one of
the things you'll find as you study wine that at festivals,
on Shabbat, Sabbath and at celebrations like a wedding celebration,
the wine was not watered. So, for example, the wedding
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at Cana. Think about how the people responded when Jesus
turned the water into wine. They said, oh wow. Usually
you bring out the name brand first, and then later
on when people can't tell the difference, you bring out
the generic cheap brand. However.
S2 (05:30):
Yeah.
S1 (05:31):
Uh, when, uh, when the. Now they've, you know, we've
gone through the cheap stuff and now we've got the
name brand stuff because this is really good. Uh, the
implication there is that the wine affected the people at
the wedding to such an extent that they could no
longer tell the difference. Why? Because they were getting a
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little tipsy. So the the point is at weddings, celebrations, at, uh, festivals,
celebrations at Shabbat, the wine was not watered down. Okay.
S2 (06:06):
Okay. But in the Cyclopaedia will show like maybe the percentage.
Because I know when I.
S1 (06:13):
I just told you the percentage, the percentage for everyday
wine was 3 to 1.
S2 (06:20):
3 to 1. Okay. And for the festival, the percentage
could be, uh.
S1 (06:25):
Was not watered down at all. It was just wine.
S2 (06:27):
Yeah. Okay.
S1 (06:29):
Okay.
S3 (06:30):
Got it. Okay. Okay. Uh, Judea. Encyclopedia.
S1 (06:35):
Encyclopedia Judaica. Read what it says about wine.
S3 (06:39):
Okay. Thank you.
S1 (06:40):
Okay. Sure. Thanks so much for your call. Appreciate it.
We're going to talk to Theresa. And, boy, I don't
know if I can say it. Kahuta Okuda, Georgia, listening
on Wmw. Uh, hey, Teresa, how do you say the
name of the town you're in?
S3 (06:57):
Tahara.
S1 (06:59):
Kajana. Okay. Okay.
S4 (07:02):
Yes. It's an Indian name.
S1 (07:06):
Okay. Well, I am so glad you called. How can
I help you today?
S4 (07:10):
Okay, well, I'll look forward to sitting at Jesus feet
and hearing him when I go to heaven. And I
think I'll get to hear you and Miss Eva, too.
And I look forward to that. But even though I've
forgiven some people, I know there's people there that I
don't want to be around. What's going to be our reaction?
Do we have to deal with them or what do
you think?
S1 (07:29):
There's probably some people there that wouldn't want you around too,
don't you think?
S4 (07:33):
That's right. And I apologize for that. I want to
ask for forgiveness.
S1 (07:38):
I know there's a whole lot of people that are
going to say, am I really going to spend eternity
with that guy? I don't think so. But here's. I.
I actually believe that, uh, first of all, there's two
things I would say. The lesson of Jesus is if
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there are people here that we think we wouldn't like
to spend eternity with, is what we should do is
before we go to worship, before we leave our before,
what we need to do is leave our gift at
the altar as Jesus teaches and and go see them
and reconcile. Yes. Don't wait. Uh, do everything in our
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power to reconcile. Now, there. You know, I think that's
interesting that Paul says to everything. That everything, as long
as it's within you, be reconciled. Uh, be at peace
with all people. But sometimes people just don't want it.
We can't help it. Uh.
S4 (08:35):
Right.
S1 (08:36):
In that case, I'm going to say that after the
Bema Seat, after the. When we're in eternity with the Lord,
it'll be all over. Uh, you know, what? Maybe we'll
learn to accept each other's that we were fallen and
had made obviously made mistakes. Or maybe our blind side that,
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you know, we we may have had some blindness and
thought someone was making a mistake when they weren't. Uh,
we'll learn. We'll be transformed, we'll be glorified, and we
won't have that sin nature that holds grudges any longer.
And I think we'll be okay. Okay.
S4 (09:17):
Okay. Thank you so much.
S1 (09:20):
Yeah. Thank you. Teresa, thanks for the call. Really appreciate it.
We're going to speak with al listening in Seattle, Washington online.
Welcome to Open Line, al. How can I help you today?
S5 (09:31):
I got a question related to dispensationalism. At least the
way I believe. God is not done dealing with the
Jewish people or Israel. Yet the church is not replaced.
That and there are some people who reject the dispensational belief,
and they also reject the rapture of the church. Is
this whole thing?
S1 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah. But what's your question, al?
S5 (09:54):
That's my question about that. Is that what's your understanding
of that particular, um, area? Dispensationalism.
S1 (10:02):
Well, uh, Moody Bible Institute, where I've taught for 32 years,
is a dispensational school. Uh, there are varieties of dispensationalism.
I don't think that there's only one kind. There's, you know,
it's on a spectrum. Uh, I'm kind of eclectic in
my view, of dispensationalism, but I think that, uh, the
main thing about dispensationalism, it is a method, a mode
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of biblical interpretation that reads the Bible progressively and is consistently, uh,
takes things, uh, in a literal sense, in a consistent way.
In a normal sense, I would say, uh, in a,
in a consistent way, even when it comes to prophecy.
So when it talks about Israel in the future, I
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think it's talking about Israel in the future, not the church.
And I think that that's what's crucial when the Bible
promises the regathering of the Jewish people to the land
of Israel, when the Bible says that that's going to
happen and it has happened before our eyes. We take
that literally. When the Bible says that Jesus is going
to reign in Jerusalem over Israel and the world for
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a thousand years, we take that literally. So it's not
just a long time. And it's not just that's that's
what really dispensationalism is. It's I'd like to change the
name of it. I'd like to call it faithfulness theology. Uh,
we trust God that he is going to be faithful
to all his promises, not just the promises that he
made to the church, but which are wonderful promises, but
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also his promises that he made to Israel that one
day he would bring them, uh, the nation will believe
in Jesus at the return of Jesus. Uh, and then
all Israel will be saved. And not all Israel from
all time, but all Israel that believe in him. And
he'll fulfill all his promises to them. That's what I
believe about it, al. Does that help?
S5 (11:53):
Yes, I believe the same thing. Is there a good
book that deals with this subject outside of the Bible?
S1 (11:59):
Yeah. There's a. There's a starting book, a book that
I would start everyone with on it by Michael Vlock. Uh,
I think it's something like Essentials of Dispensationalism. Trish is
going to look it up. It's a little booklet about, uh,
75 or 80 pages. Uh, that's a good one. Michael
Vlock V as in Victor l H.H. uh, we're going
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to take a break here. And what, uh, Tricia is
going to do over the break is she's going to
find the name of that book. Uh, and when I
come back, you keep listening, al, because I'll. I'll mention
what the name of the book is. Uh, but and also,
there's a great book. It's not specifically dispensationalism. It's. Has
the church replaced Israel by block. So those are great books.
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I'll be back to talk about that in a moment.
This is Michael Ray Dolnick on Open Line. And we're back.
And I am drinking from my coffee mug with the.
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Everything about me is Moody Bible Institute. I'm sure you
know that I've taught at Moody forever, but I'm also
an adjunct professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, and I am
drinking coffee this morning from my Dallas Seminary mug, which
is kind of fun, because Dallas Seminary is the place where, uh,
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I think the main school that teaches dispensationalism, uh, and seminaries.
And why do I say that? Because our last caller
was asking about a book. About a basic book about dispensationalism.
And of course, I recommended a book, but Trish had
to look up the title. This is the title. It's
called Dispensationalism Essential Beliefs and Common Myths, and it's a
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very simple, easy to read, almost a booklet. It's about
80 pages long. I like it very much. It's written
by Michael Vlock. V as in Victor H.H. and Michael
Vlock did a wonderful job on that book, and also
he wrote a book called Has the Church Replaced Israel?
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It's a little bit goes more in depth. It's not
really about dispensationalism so much as it's about this idea
of replacement theology, which dispensationalism obviously disagrees with, and makes
the case for a theology that doesn't replace Israel. And
it's a really great book. Has the church replaced Israel?
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And Trish tells me she has linked it on our website.
Am I right about that, Trish? Uh, it's on the web. Well,
she's working on it right now. So those are two
books that you can find, uh, uh, dispensationalism, essential beliefs
and common myths. And then also, uh, the other book
that I think is so helpful is Has the Church
replaced Israel? In fact, when I read that book in 2010,
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it was the first time in my life I felt like, man,
I wish I'd written that book, but okay, uh, I,
I liked it so much, I, I found Michael Vlock
and we became friends because of it. I liked it so,
so much. Uh, we're going to talk to Daniel in
Grand Rapids, Michigan, listening on w g b. Welcome to
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Open Line. Daniel. How can I help you today?
S6 (15:27):
Well, I was wondering, at 70 AD, the, uh, the
temple was torn down. What happened to the Pharisees? And
are there any Pharisees today we could call Pharisees.
S1 (15:39):
No, there are no Pharisees today, although I think we could.
If we if there were Pharisees, we'd find them probably
in local churches, uh, because of the issue sometimes of becoming, uh,
not all Pharisees were hypocrites. Uh, we shouldn't think that.
But they were sometimes, uh, but, uh, I think that
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sometimes when we look at the religious leadership in Israel
in the first century and we see Pharisees, the the
next thing that happens is that we want to blame
all Jews and we don't look at ourselves. I think
those of us who are in religious leadership need to
take a look at ourselves before we start complaining about
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Jewish people, but let me tell you about the history
of the Jewish people. Okay? Daniel, uh, before A.D. 70, uh, uh,
Jewish people had a lot of different, uh, I don't
want to say it's its factions, but there were varieties
of Judaism. So, for example, there were Sadducean Judaism. Um,
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and there were parties like the Pharisees. So there were
the Sadducees, who were the priests and the Levites mostly.
And then there were the Sadducees, who there were about
5000 of them. And they were like the religious, the
the experts on the law and kind of the, the
party that led the, the leadership of the people. But
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it was only about 5000 who were actually Pharisees. And
then there were other sectarian groups. Uh, like, uh, the Essenes, uh,
or the Qumran community that went to the wilderness. And
they thought that the religious leadership had become corrupt. So
they were hiding out in the wilderness. Uh.
S3 (17:29):
Wow.
S1 (17:30):
Uh, in in 30, somewhere in the 30s you developed
this group called the Nazarenes. These were Jews who believed
in the Nazarene. Uh, the they believed in Jesus, the Messiah.
They were the early Messianic Jews. Uh, and so you
had that sect in Judaism in the first century. All
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these different sects. And then there was also a sect
called the zealots. They were the, the party of the
revolt against Rome. So there's all these varieties. Well what happened?
The Sadducees were temple oriented because they were priests and
they were pro Rome. They were supportive of Rome after
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the Roman destruction of the temple. They didn't have a temple,
and they lost a lot of credibility because they had
supported Rome. And so they kind of disappeared as a
leader of Jewish people. Uh, then the, uh, What happened
next was the, uh, uh, the Essenes had been hiding out.
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And the Qumran community, they had been hiding out in
the wilderness and sectarian groups like that. Uh, they certainly, uh,
didn't have any kind of, uh, credibility because they'd been
hiding out. So they'd kind of disappeared from the scene.
The Nazarenes had fled Jerusalem in AD 70 because of
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the prophecy of Jesus that when you see Jerusalem surrounded,
you need to get out of town. And so they
got out of town, uh, they went to a place
up on the other side of the Jordan. Uh, and
now who is left? You've got. And the zealots, they
led Israel into a terrible war, and so they lost
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all credibility. The Pharisees had everything going for them because
they had been opposed to the war, but they'd also
have been opposed to Rome, so they had credibility that way.
They were more focused on the Torah, on the law,
than they were on the temple. So as a result,
they still had the Torah, and that became a portable
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temple for them, something they could take with them. And
because of that, the leader of the Pharisees, his name
was Yohanan Ben Zakkai. Rabbi Yochanan went to a town
on the coast of the Mediterranean called Yavneh, and there
they reformed Judaism to be a religion without sacrifice, and
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out of that came not Pharisaic Judaism, but Rabbinic Judaism.
So Rabbinic Judaism, that formed between the late first century
and up until about the fifth century, that was, uh,
they are the heirs of the Pharisees. Uh, okay. Is
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that does that help? Daniel?
S6 (20:27):
Wow. It fills me with a lot. But, um, with
the wars you talk about, the Jews went against the.
Is that the Jewish war is that they talk about
in Antiquities of the Jews.
S1 (20:38):
Yeah. There's the first Jewish revolt in A.D. 70 or
66 through 73. And then there was a revolt between
132 through 35 against the Romans, uh, against the Roman
emperor Hadrian, which also was a terrible destruction.
S6 (20:52):
So we learned a lot more than I was expecting.
So I really appreciate that.
S1 (20:57):
Okay. Well, yeah, I kind of taught some Jewish history
in my life so I can give you.
S3 (21:02):
Well, I can.
S6 (21:02):
Imagine, you.
S3 (21:03):
Know. So thank you for.
S6 (21:06):
Your answer there.
S1 (21:08):
Okay. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. We're going to
talk to, uh, Mary in California. Glad you're listening. All
the way in California. I'm guessing you're listening online. Welcome
to Open Line, Mary. How can I help you? Hey, Mary,
are you there? Hello. Go ahead with your question.
S7 (21:27):
Hi, I'm Mary in Pennsylvania. Are you talking to me?
S1 (21:32):
Oh, yeah, it says California. But go ahead with your
question wherever you are. Okay?
S3 (21:36):
Okay.
S7 (21:37):
So this, um, I'm particularly interested in first Corinthians six
nine through 11 from a general response from you. I've
gone through commentaries trying to understand it more, but specifically
for a family member who was introduced, sadly, to pornography
as a child. Uh, I've seen it affect their life,
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their thinking, and you probably know how I can just
destroy you. Uh, they say they're saved. Uh, I do
not see the behavior of, um, non-Christian.
S1 (22:13):
Let's not talk about, uh, your your this person. Let's
just go ahead and ask me a question about this verse, okay?
S7 (22:21):
Mary, I want you to. Well, the reason I'm presenting
the person is because it's my son and it affects me.
S1 (22:27):
I appreciate that, but just go ahead with a question.
S7 (22:30):
In general, in general goes through this verse for me
and the many meanings of whether they go to heaven
or not. And that's where I'm coming from.
S1 (22:39):
Okay. Let me read the verse for people who are listening.
It says, don't be deceived. No sexually immoral people, idolaters,
adulterers or anyone practicing homosexuality. No thieves, greedy, greedy people, drunkards,
verbally abusive people or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. So
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when we read these verses, it's pretty clear that there
are some immoral practices, not just sexually immoral. I mean,
being a swindler, being verbally abusive, being a drunkard, those are, uh,
lifestyle choices that people are making, that are sinful, that
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keep them from believing in Jesus. And then he says
in verse 11, and some of you used to be
like this, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you
were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus the Messiah,
and by the spirit of our God. What he is
saying is you used to have these terrible lifestyle choices,
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but then you came to faith and you were forgiven. Now,
does this mean that once a person, uh, comes to
know the Lord, they'll never sin again in these ways?
I don't think that's what it's saying. It's saying you're
forgiven of these sins. Romans six tells us that should
we sin, that grace might abound. Of course not. May
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it never be. Uh, God's going to work and transform
our lives. But then there are people who are forgiven,
who will lapse, who will fall. And as a result
of that, we need to remember that they are still forgiven. Uh,
and allow God to work in their lives to transform
For them. They need to work in their lives as well, uh,
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by practicing spiritual disciplines. Uh, but here's the thing I'm
going to say. If a person has put their trust
in Jesus, even someone who has made these terrible lifestyle choices,
then they are washed, sanctified, and justified, declared righteous not
because of their own righteousness, but because of the righteousness
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of Jesus. And they are saved. What if they lapse?
They are going to confess their sin. They're going to
be restored. They're going to practice spiritual disciplines that God
can use to help them to grow. But it doesn't
mean that they won't ever sin in this area again.
It what it means is they are forgiven. Uh, I'm
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not here to justify this behavior after someone becomes a believer.
I don't think that's good. Uh, but reality tells me
that people will fall, and God still forgives them. Does
that help Mary?
S7 (25:25):
It does. And one more specific question. I totally agree
with you. If they fall back for 25 or 30
years and don't turn around. How can you?
S1 (25:35):
Well, you don't know if they've fallen back for 25
or 30 years. What you find is that they are
probably struggling for 25 or 30 years. We'll, uh, we'll
be back in a moment with the mailbag, so don't
go away. This is open line with Michael Ray Zelnick.
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But let's see what we can dent it right now.
S8 (29:11):
Okay. All right. Okay. Um, our first question. We've got
a couple questions from First Corinthians. So Lisa lives in Illinois.
S1 (29:19):
I got my Bible and it has First Corinthians in it.
S8 (29:22):
Fantastic. We're we're in good company. Then first Corinthians seven
is where we're going. Lisa in Illinois listens to the
podcast and says, in light of First Corinthians seven verse 14,
which says, for the unbelieving husband is set apart for
God by the wife. And the unbelieving wife is set
apart for God by the husband. Otherwise your children would
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be corrupt, but now they are set apart for God.
Lisa says, I'm born again, was baptized as a child,
but lived apart from God in my 20s and married
an unbeliever. After I had children, I started taking them
to church and working with them. They're now teens and
are also born again Christians, although not baptized yet. For
my unbelieving husband, does this verse qualify him to spend
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eternity in heaven or would he be left behind?
S1 (30:08):
Well, let's really be clear. Jesus said, I am the way,
the truth and the life, and it's not enough for
someone to be related by marriage or by parenting to believers.
First Corinthians seven is making the case that a believer
who is married to someone who is not a believer,
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that they should, as long as the non-believer, the person
who has not yet trusted Jesus is willing to stay married.
Stay married. Don't. Don't try and break up that relationship.
That's what it's about. And I just want to be
really clear. John 824 says this, uh, it says, uh. Um,
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let's see if I got the right verse. I've got
the wrong book. John 824 says, unless you believe that
I am he, you're still in your sins. Unless you
believe that I am is literally what it says. Unless
you believe in me. Jesus says, you're still in your sins.
And why is that so crucial? Well, it's. This is
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what I'm reading it. Ready? If you do not believe
that I am he, you will die in your sins.
And the. The Greek actually says, unless you believe I am.
You have to believe in all that Jesus says he is,
that he is deity, that he died, died for us,
that he rose again. We have to believe or we're
still in our sins. That's individually for every person. So
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know first Corinthians seven is not saying, by virtue of
being married to a believer, that the husband or the
wife will be automatically saved. What it is saying is
that it is more likely for that person to become
a believer, as long as he stay. Remember, it's the
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idea stay married as long as that person who isn't
a believer is willing to stay with you, because this
sets up a much better situation, where that spouse would
be much more likely to believe and come to faith
in Jesus, and that's how they're set apart. They're in
a good situation by staying in in that marriage relationship.
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And so if you're concerned about your husband coming to
know the Lord, stay married to him, stay married to
him and win him as first Peter three talks about that.
And and when it says you're set apart, they're in
a better a better setting. If if you stay married
than if, if you end up divorcing.
S8 (32:46):
Okay. And even I think about the stories I've heard
of the influence of the believing spouse on the unbelieving spouse.
Like I think of Lee and Leslie Strobel.
S1 (32:55):
That's exactly what I thought.
S8 (32:57):
They've shared their story, um, of just seeing that person
set apart. And we even have talked about it. Um,
you know, with that, Romans 1111 for the the Jewish
person watching the Gentile like Act toward them in such
a way that they ask you, why are you living
this way? Why are you different? That your spouse can
see you living differently and ask those questions and see
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that in the the the? I'll say the worst, like
you're not on display outwardly to everyone else, but you
are on display to your spouse all the time. Well.
S1 (33:29):
You know, first Peter three where it talks about the
wife winning her husband without a word. I think what
it is is that saying, don't badger your spouse, uh,
but love your spouse. And in that way you win
him without a word. Now, obviously, it'll take words. You'll
have to be able to talk about it, but you'll
open his heart. He'll want what you have. And and
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that's why God says stay married. If the non-believer is
willing to stay with you.
S8 (33:56):
And pray for them, pray for your spouse. Yeah.
S1 (33:59):
I have dear friends. Uh, really? I thought of Lee
immediately because Lee Strobel, his wife's. Yeah, his wife's changed life.
But I have a dear friend and his wife's changed life. Uh,
also won him over. And there was actually, uh, at
their church. They had a a Bible study they started
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called Beloved Unbeliever, and they invited the unbelieving spouses to
come and try and figure out what your, your spouse
is believing so that you can understand your spouse better.
And that was a great thing. What a great idea. Yeah.
You know, we're only inviting you if you don't believe
so that you can understand what this thing your spouse
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has fallen into. Yeah. And and I have a friend
who came to the Lord through that. Isn't that something?
S8 (34:47):
Wow, that's really cool. Yeah. Well, we got one more question. Uh,
from First Corinthians. This goes to chapter 11. Rachel in
in Illinois listens to WBA and wants to know about
women covering their heads and the cultural context of that
in first Corinthians 11, as far as how it was
practiced in the early church. she said. The church that
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she attends now practices this in public worship, and the
chapter is confusing to me, but it's clear God would
be glorified in this. What are your thoughts on if
this chapter is referring to women having their heads covered
in public worship only, or any time they pray?
S1 (35:27):
Here's how I understand first Corinthians 11. The principle that
Paul was teaching is that the attitude of deference that
women were supposed to give to their leadership, to their husbands,
and it was one of the in the the cultural
way that they showed that was by being veiled in public.
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So the veiling in public was an outward sign of
a submissive heart. Now, today, if a woman veiled herself
completely in church, no one would say, oh, yeah, she's
she's deferring to the leadership. The veil was a external
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cultural expression of an internal heart attitude. As a result,
I don't think women need to veil themselves in church anymore.
But for example, I remember saying how a woman dresses
in church if if she's going to dress in a
modest way, in a way that's reflective of that internal
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commitment to God. That submissive, deferential heart. Uh, well, that's
how they should express it. It doesn't have to be
with a veil. It has to be with some sort of.
And I think women can be very stylish, um, but
still dress in a way that reflects modesty. And I
would say that's what that's talking about in first Corinthians 11. Okay.
S8 (36:56):
Okay. All right. Thank you.
S1 (36:58):
Well, we're going to break here. Thanks so much for
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Open Line, Jason. How can I help you?
S2 (40:30):
Thank you.
S9 (40:30):
Doctor. Uh, I appreciate your help on this question. Um,
my question is, is when Jesus was being. No. Thank you. Um,
my question is, is when Jesus was being baptized, was
the significance of the dove descending on him more for John?
And if not, was there any significance for Jesus?
S1 (40:52):
I have no idea.
S9 (40:57):
I don't believe it. I don't believe.
S3 (40:59):
It.
S1 (41:00):
Well, no, I really don't know. What I know is this, uh,
it's written in the text. The significance wasn't for Jesus
or for John, but in the text, it was written
for the reader. And it was to say that the
the Spirit of God descended on Jesus, and it was a, uh,
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affirmation of his spirit empowered ministry. So for those of
its it was the original reader. And for you, Jason,
and for me, it's to say the Lord Jesus earthly
ministry was fully empowered by the Holy Spirit of God.
In other words, what this is saying is his ministry
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wasn't just his deity taken over, but he was the
God man. And what he was doing was being empowered
by the Spirit of God, not himself. That's what it's
saying to the reader. So, you know, so.
S9 (42:01):
Often.
S1 (42:01):
So often I, I think people we ask, what was
the significance of this for the characters in the story
and the narrative that we're reading before us? And I
think we ought to be asking, what is the significance
for the reader, because that's why it was written down
for us. Okay.
S9 (42:20):
Okay. Yeah.
S1 (42:22):
Does that.
S9 (42:22):
Help? I looked at when Jesus said it does, but
I get I'm a little unclear because Jesus was fully God.
And so, John, I guess I'm looking at John needing
more understanding of this is Jesus's ministry. And now he's
going to proclaim it. Um, but I guess the dove
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is not something Jesus needed. He was fully God.
S1 (42:45):
Yeah, he he knew that. But I was saying to
the reader, uh, you and me when we read this,
that Jesus wasn't just doing this because he's God. he
self limits himself and he's operating as a generally speaking,
I mean, he obviously in John he knows he's omniscient,
but he self limits himself so much and does things
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by the power of the Holy Spirit. That's what it's saying.
S3 (43:11):
Perfect.
S1 (43:11):
Okay. Okay. Thank you Jason. Appreciate it. We're going to
speak with Victor in Milner, Georgia listening on WMV. Welcome
to Open Line, Victor. How can I help you?
S10 (43:23):
Thank you so much for having me.
S1 (43:26):
Sure. How can I help you?
S10 (43:28):
Um, I'm. I have a question about revelation three nine. Um,
you know how everything's going on, and a lot of
people are being divided, um, about the support of current Israel. And, um,
I want to know if I, as a Christian, am.
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Supposed to, um, back the government of Israel.
S1 (43:58):
Oh, this is the whole thing with, uh, Tucker and, oh,
the government of Israel. He he just doesn't understand it.
You're talking about what you're trying to do is call
by saying this. By asking this, you're saying that Israel
is the synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews
and are not. Is that what you're saying about revelation
three nine?
S10 (44:18):
I haven't heard that. I honestly, um, no, my family
is split in half. So I've been I've been trying
to find, um.
S1 (44:26):
Okay, you know what? I only got a minute. Let
me just tell you this. Revelation three nine is not
talking about the state of Israel. It's not even I'm
going to tell you who it's talking about.
S3 (44:38):
Okay?
S10 (44:39):
I come with this with.
S1 (44:41):
Let me let me tell you who it's talking about. Uh,
it's it's talking about, uh, people, likely Gentiles Miles who
were teaching that they that in order for someone to
be saved, they had to convert to Judaism and be circumcised.
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And they were adding a work is what Galatians forbids.
And so he says, take note. I will make those
from the synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews
and are not they're not even Jewish. But they took
the circumcision as a prerequisite for salvation before faith. Uh,
they are Jews. They claim to be Jews, but are
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not and are lying. Note this I will make them
come and bow down at your feet. In other words,
what Jesus is saying. These Gentiles who have converted to
Judaism so they could be believers in Jesus, and they're
adding a work to salvation. They're wrong. That's in a
community or teaching a false teaching which is sourced in
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the enemy. It's not talking about Israel. It's not talking
about Jewish people. It's talking about people who claim to
be Jewish but are not, uh, because they've gone through
this ritual circumcision. They just claim to be Jewish. So
it's not talking about Israel at all, so you don't
have to worry about that. Okay, well, that's the program
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Synagogue of Satan thing. Uh, I'm glad that we had
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How can I help you today?
S2 (03:12):
Good afternoon, Doctor Rinaldi. I got a question. I was
giving a Bible study in my church about, uh, the
wedding when Jesus made the wine. The problem that it
happened in the class, that somebody made a question about
the wine, about the percentage. Because we're talking about the
Jewish tradition that the wedding would take seven days of celebration.
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So half of the class agrees on drinking alcohol, and
the other half doesn't doesn't agree about drinking alcohol. So
I'm a little bit I need to get information because
I was explaining that the percentage of alcohol of that time,
the wine is not like fermentation at this time. So
that's why I'm calling you. If you could give me
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pointers where I could get more information, or if I
could buy a book to correct.
S1 (04:01):
Yeah. If I. If I were you, I'd go to
the library. And your library should have a copy of
Encyclopaedia Judaica. Uh, you can also get a copy online
or access a copy of Encyclopaedia Judaica online. I'd look
up wine. That's what I would do. Now, what we
know about wine in the, for example, Second Maccabees talks
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about everyday wine was watered down, diluted, uh, three, 3
to 1, uh uh, three parts water to one part wine. Uh,
it still had alcoholic content, but it was watered down. Uh, also, uh,
the the wine, uh, the Talmud, uh, the rabbinic writings
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talks about everyday wine being watered down. However, one of
the things you'll find as you study wine that at festivals,
on Shabbat, Sabbath and at celebrations like a wedding celebration,
the wine was not watered. So, for example, the wedding
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at Cana. Think about how the people responded when Jesus
turned the water into wine. They said, oh wow. Usually
you bring out the name brand first, and then later
on when people can't tell the difference, you bring out
the generic cheap brand. However.
S2 (05:30):
Yeah.
S1 (05:31):
Uh, when, uh, when the. Now they've, you know, we've
gone through the cheap stuff and now we've got the
name brand stuff because this is really good. Uh, the
implication there is that the wine affected the people at
the wedding to such an extent that they could no
longer tell the difference. Why? Because they were getting a
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little tipsy. So the the point is at weddings, celebrations, at, uh, festivals,
celebrations at Shabbat, the wine was not watered down. Okay.
S2 (06:06):
Okay. But in the Cyclopaedia will show like maybe the percentage.
Because I know when I.
S1 (06:13):
I just told you the percentage, the percentage for everyday
wine was 3 to 1.
S2 (06:20):
3 to 1. Okay. And for the festival, the percentage
could be, uh.
S1 (06:25):
Was not watered down at all. It was just wine.
S2 (06:27):
Yeah. Okay.
S1 (06:29):
Okay.
S3 (06:30):
Got it. Okay. Okay. Uh, Judea. Encyclopedia.
S1 (06:35):
Encyclopedia Judaica. Read what it says about wine.
S3 (06:39):
Okay. Thank you.
S1 (06:40):
Okay. Sure. Thanks so much for your call. Appreciate it.
We're going to talk to Theresa. And, boy, I don't
know if I can say it. Kahuta Okuda, Georgia, listening
on Wmw. Uh, hey, Teresa, how do you say the
name of the town you're in?
S3 (06:57):
Tahara.
S1 (06:59):
Kajana. Okay. Okay.
S4 (07:02):
Yes. It's an Indian name.
S1 (07:06):
Okay. Well, I am so glad you called. How can
I help you today?
S4 (07:10):
Okay, well, I'll look forward to sitting at Jesus feet
and hearing him when I go to heaven. And I
think I'll get to hear you and Miss Eva, too.
And I look forward to that. But even though I've
forgiven some people, I know there's people there that I
don't want to be around. What's going to be our reaction?
Do we have to deal with them or what do
you think?
S1 (07:29):
There's probably some people there that wouldn't want you around too,
don't you think?
S4 (07:33):
That's right. And I apologize for that. I want to
ask for forgiveness.
S1 (07:38):
I know there's a whole lot of people that are
going to say, am I really going to spend eternity
with that guy? I don't think so. But here's. I.
I actually believe that, uh, first of all, there's two
things I would say. The lesson of Jesus is if
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there are people here that we think we wouldn't like
to spend eternity with, is what we should do is
before we go to worship, before we leave our before,
what we need to do is leave our gift at
the altar as Jesus teaches and and go see them
and reconcile. Yes. Don't wait. Uh, do everything in our
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power to reconcile. Now, there. You know, I think that's
interesting that Paul says to everything. That everything, as long
as it's within you, be reconciled. Uh, be at peace
with all people. But sometimes people just don't want it.
We can't help it. Uh.
S4 (08:35):
Right.
S1 (08:36):
In that case, I'm going to say that after the
Bema Seat, after the. When we're in eternity with the Lord,
it'll be all over. Uh, you know, what? Maybe we'll
learn to accept each other's that we were fallen and
had made obviously made mistakes. Or maybe our blind side that,
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you know, we we may have had some blindness and
thought someone was making a mistake when they weren't. Uh,
we'll learn. We'll be transformed, we'll be glorified, and we
won't have that sin nature that holds grudges any longer.
And I think we'll be okay. Okay.
S4 (09:17):
Okay. Thank you so much.
S1 (09:20):
Yeah. Thank you. Teresa, thanks for the call. Really appreciate it.
We're going to speak with al listening in Seattle, Washington online.
Welcome to Open Line, al. How can I help you today?
S5 (09:31):
I got a question related to dispensationalism. At least the
way I believe. God is not done dealing with the
Jewish people or Israel. Yet the church is not replaced.
That and there are some people who reject the dispensational belief,
and they also reject the rapture of the church. Is
this whole thing?
S1 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah. But what's your question, al?
S5 (09:54):
That's my question about that. Is that what's your understanding
of that particular, um, area? Dispensationalism.
S1 (10:02):
Well, uh, Moody Bible Institute, where I've taught for 32 years,
is a dispensational school. Uh, there are varieties of dispensationalism.
I don't think that there's only one kind. There's, you know,
it's on a spectrum. Uh, I'm kind of eclectic in
my view, of dispensationalism, but I think that, uh, the
main thing about dispensationalism, it is a method, a mode
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of biblical interpretation that reads the Bible progressively and is consistently, uh,
takes things, uh, in a literal sense, in a consistent way.
In a normal sense, I would say, uh, in a,
in a consistent way, even when it comes to prophecy.
So when it talks about Israel in the future, I
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think it's talking about Israel in the future, not the church.
And I think that that's what's crucial when the Bible
promises the regathering of the Jewish people to the land
of Israel, when the Bible says that that's going to
happen and it has happened before our eyes. We take
that literally. When the Bible says that Jesus is going
to reign in Jerusalem over Israel and the world for
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a thousand years, we take that literally. So it's not
just a long time. And it's not just that's that's
what really dispensationalism is. It's I'd like to change the
name of it. I'd like to call it faithfulness theology. Uh,
we trust God that he is going to be faithful
to all his promises, not just the promises that he
made to the church, but which are wonderful promises, but
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also his promises that he made to Israel that one
day he would bring them, uh, the nation will believe
in Jesus at the return of Jesus. Uh, and then
all Israel will be saved. And not all Israel from
all time, but all Israel that believe in him. And
he'll fulfill all his promises to them. That's what I
believe about it, al. Does that help?
S5 (11:53):
Yes, I believe the same thing. Is there a good
book that deals with this subject outside of the Bible?
S1 (11:59):
Yeah. There's a. There's a starting book, a book that
I would start everyone with on it by Michael Vlock. Uh,
I think it's something like Essentials of Dispensationalism. Trish is
going to look it up. It's a little booklet about, uh,
75 or 80 pages. Uh, that's a good one. Michael
Vlock V as in Victor l H.H. uh, we're going
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to take a break here. And what, uh, Tricia is
going to do over the break is she's going to
find the name of that book. Uh, and when I
come back, you keep listening, al, because I'll. I'll mention
what the name of the book is. Uh, but and also,
there's a great book. It's not specifically dispensationalism. It's. Has
the church replaced Israel by block. So those are great books.
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I'll be back to talk about that in a moment.
This is Michael Ray Dolnick on Open Line. And we're back.
And I am drinking from my coffee mug with the.
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Everything about me is Moody Bible Institute. I'm sure you
know that I've taught at Moody forever, but I'm also
an adjunct professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, and I am
drinking coffee this morning from my Dallas Seminary mug, which
is kind of fun, because Dallas Seminary is the place where, uh,
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I think the main school that teaches dispensationalism, uh, and seminaries.
And why do I say that? Because our last caller
was asking about a book. About a basic book about dispensationalism.
And of course, I recommended a book, but Trish had
to look up the title. This is the title. It's
called Dispensationalism Essential Beliefs and Common Myths, and it's a
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very simple, easy to read, almost a booklet. It's about
80 pages long. I like it very much. It's written
by Michael Vlock. V as in Victor H.H. and Michael
Vlock did a wonderful job on that book, and also
he wrote a book called Has the Church Replaced Israel?
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It's a little bit goes more in depth. It's not
really about dispensationalism so much as it's about this idea
of replacement theology, which dispensationalism obviously disagrees with, and makes
the case for a theology that doesn't replace Israel. And
it's a really great book. Has the church replaced Israel?
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And Trish tells me she has linked it on our website.
Am I right about that, Trish? Uh, it's on the web. Well,
she's working on it right now. So those are two
books that you can find, uh, uh, dispensationalism, essential beliefs
and common myths. And then also, uh, the other book
that I think is so helpful is Has the Church
replaced Israel? In fact, when I read that book in 2010,
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it was the first time in my life I felt like, man,
I wish I'd written that book, but okay, uh, I,
I liked it so much, I, I found Michael Vlock
and we became friends because of it. I liked it so,
so much. Uh, we're going to talk to Daniel in
Grand Rapids, Michigan, listening on w g b. Welcome to
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Open Line. Daniel. How can I help you today?
S6 (15:27):
Well, I was wondering, at 70 AD, the, uh, the
temple was torn down. What happened to the Pharisees? And
are there any Pharisees today we could call Pharisees.
S1 (15:39):
No, there are no Pharisees today, although I think we could.
If we if there were Pharisees, we'd find them probably
in local churches, uh, because of the issue sometimes of becoming, uh,
not all Pharisees were hypocrites. Uh, we shouldn't think that.
But they were sometimes, uh, but, uh, I think that
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sometimes when we look at the religious leadership in Israel
in the first century and we see Pharisees, the the
next thing that happens is that we want to blame
all Jews and we don't look at ourselves. I think
those of us who are in religious leadership need to
take a look at ourselves before we start complaining about
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Jewish people, but let me tell you about the history
of the Jewish people. Okay? Daniel, uh, before A.D. 70, uh, uh,
Jewish people had a lot of different, uh, I don't
want to say it's its factions, but there were varieties
of Judaism. So, for example, there were Sadducean Judaism. Um,
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and there were parties like the Pharisees. So there were
the Sadducees, who were the priests and the Levites mostly.
And then there were the Sadducees, who there were about
5000 of them. And they were like the religious, the
the experts on the law and kind of the, the
party that led the, the leadership of the people. But
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it was only about 5000 who were actually Pharisees. And
then there were other sectarian groups. Uh, like, uh, the Essenes, uh,
or the Qumran community that went to the wilderness. And
they thought that the religious leadership had become corrupt. So
they were hiding out in the wilderness. Uh.
S3 (17:29):
Wow.
S1 (17:30):
Uh, in in 30, somewhere in the 30s you developed
this group called the Nazarenes. These were Jews who believed
in the Nazarene. Uh, the they believed in Jesus, the Messiah.
They were the early Messianic Jews. Uh, and so you
had that sect in Judaism in the first century. All
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these different sects. And then there was also a sect
called the zealots. They were the, the party of the
revolt against Rome. So there's all these varieties. Well what happened?
The Sadducees were temple oriented because they were priests and
they were pro Rome. They were supportive of Rome after
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the Roman destruction of the temple. They didn't have a temple,
and they lost a lot of credibility because they had
supported Rome. And so they kind of disappeared as a
leader of Jewish people. Uh, then the, uh, What happened
next was the, uh, uh, the Essenes had been hiding out.
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And the Qumran community, they had been hiding out in
the wilderness and sectarian groups like that. Uh, they certainly, uh,
didn't have any kind of, uh, credibility because they'd been
hiding out. So they'd kind of disappeared from the scene.
The Nazarenes had fled Jerusalem in AD 70 because of
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the prophecy of Jesus that when you see Jerusalem surrounded,
you need to get out of town. And so they
got out of town, uh, they went to a place
up on the other side of the Jordan. Uh, and
now who is left? You've got. And the zealots, they
led Israel into a terrible war, and so they lost
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all credibility. The Pharisees had everything going for them because
they had been opposed to the war, but they'd also
have been opposed to Rome, so they had credibility that way.
They were more focused on the Torah, on the law,
than they were on the temple. So as a result,
they still had the Torah, and that became a portable
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temple for them, something they could take with them. And
because of that, the leader of the Pharisees, his name
was Yohanan Ben Zakkai. Rabbi Yochanan went to a town
on the coast of the Mediterranean called Yavneh, and there
they reformed Judaism to be a religion without sacrifice, and
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out of that came not Pharisaic Judaism, but Rabbinic Judaism.
So Rabbinic Judaism, that formed between the late first century
and up until about the fifth century, that was, uh,
they are the heirs of the Pharisees. Uh, okay. Is
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that does that help? Daniel?
S6 (20:27):
Wow. It fills me with a lot. But, um, with
the wars you talk about, the Jews went against the.
Is that the Jewish war is that they talk about
in Antiquities of the Jews.
S1 (20:38):
Yeah. There's the first Jewish revolt in A.D. 70 or
66 through 73. And then there was a revolt between
132 through 35 against the Romans, uh, against the Roman
emperor Hadrian, which also was a terrible destruction.
S6 (20:52):
So we learned a lot more than I was expecting.
So I really appreciate that.
S1 (20:57):
Okay. Well, yeah, I kind of taught some Jewish history
in my life so I can give you.
S3 (21:02):
Well, I can.
S6 (21:02):
Imagine, you.
S3 (21:03):
Know. So thank you for.
S6 (21:06):
Your answer there.
S1 (21:08):
Okay. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. We're going to
talk to, uh, Mary in California. Glad you're listening. All
the way in California. I'm guessing you're listening online. Welcome
to Open Line, Mary. How can I help you? Hey, Mary,
are you there? Hello. Go ahead with your question.
S7 (21:27):
Hi, I'm Mary in Pennsylvania. Are you talking to me?
S1 (21:32):
Oh, yeah, it says California. But go ahead with your
question wherever you are. Okay?
S3 (21:36):
Okay.
S7 (21:37):
So this, um, I'm particularly interested in first Corinthians six
nine through 11 from a general response from you. I've
gone through commentaries trying to understand it more, but specifically
for a family member who was introduced, sadly, to pornography
as a child. Uh, I've seen it affect their life,
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their thinking, and you probably know how I can just
destroy you. Uh, they say they're saved. Uh, I do
not see the behavior of, um, non-Christian.
S1 (22:13):
Let's not talk about, uh, your your this person. Let's
just go ahead and ask me a question about this verse, okay?
S7 (22:21):
Mary, I want you to. Well, the reason I'm presenting
the person is because it's my son and it affects me.
S1 (22:27):
I appreciate that, but just go ahead with a question.
S7 (22:30):
In general, in general goes through this verse for me
and the many meanings of whether they go to heaven
or not. And that's where I'm coming from.
S1 (22:39):
Okay. Let me read the verse for people who are listening.
It says, don't be deceived. No sexually immoral people, idolaters,
adulterers or anyone practicing homosexuality. No thieves, greedy, greedy people, drunkards,
verbally abusive people or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. So
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when we read these verses, it's pretty clear that there
are some immoral practices, not just sexually immoral. I mean,
being a swindler, being verbally abusive, being a drunkard, those are, uh,
lifestyle choices that people are making, that are sinful, that
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keep them from believing in Jesus. And then he says
in verse 11, and some of you used to be
like this, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you
were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus the Messiah,
and by the spirit of our God. What he is
saying is you used to have these terrible lifestyle choices,
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but then you came to faith and you were forgiven. Now,
does this mean that once a person, uh, comes to
know the Lord, they'll never sin again in these ways?
I don't think that's what it's saying. It's saying you're
forgiven of these sins. Romans six tells us that should
we sin, that grace might abound. Of course not. May
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it never be. Uh, God's going to work and transform
our lives. But then there are people who are forgiven,
who will lapse, who will fall. And as a result
of that, we need to remember that they are still forgiven. Uh,
and allow God to work in their lives to transform
For them. They need to work in their lives as well, uh,
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by practicing spiritual disciplines. Uh, but here's the thing I'm
going to say. If a person has put their trust
in Jesus, even someone who has made these terrible lifestyle choices,
then they are washed, sanctified, and justified, declared righteous not
because of their own righteousness, but because of the righteousness
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of Jesus. And they are saved. What if they lapse?
They are going to confess their sin. They're going to
be restored. They're going to practice spiritual disciplines that God
can use to help them to grow. But it doesn't
mean that they won't ever sin in this area again.
It what it means is they are forgiven. Uh, I'm
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not here to justify this behavior after someone becomes a believer.
I don't think that's good. Uh, but reality tells me
that people will fall, and God still forgives them. Does
that help Mary?
S7 (25:25):
It does. And one more specific question. I totally agree
with you. If they fall back for 25 or 30
years and don't turn around. How can you?
S1 (25:35):
Well, you don't know if they've fallen back for 25
or 30 years. What you find is that they are
probably struggling for 25 or 30 years. We'll, uh, we'll
be back in a moment with the mailbag, so don't
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But let's see what we can dent it right now.
S8 (29:11):
Okay. All right. Okay. Um, our first question. We've got
a couple questions from First Corinthians. So Lisa lives in Illinois.
S1 (29:19):
I got my Bible and it has First Corinthians in it.
S8 (29:22):
Fantastic. We're we're in good company. Then first Corinthians seven
is where we're going. Lisa in Illinois listens to the
podcast and says, in light of First Corinthians seven verse 14,
which says, for the unbelieving husband is set apart for
God by the wife. And the unbelieving wife is set
apart for God by the husband. Otherwise your children would
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be corrupt, but now they are set apart for God.
Lisa says, I'm born again, was baptized as a child,
but lived apart from God in my 20s and married
an unbeliever. After I had children, I started taking them
to church and working with them. They're now teens and
are also born again Christians, although not baptized yet. For
my unbelieving husband, does this verse qualify him to spend
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eternity in heaven or would he be left behind?
S1 (30:08):
Well, let's really be clear. Jesus said, I am the way,
the truth and the life, and it's not enough for
someone to be related by marriage or by parenting to believers.
First Corinthians seven is making the case that a believer
who is married to someone who is not a believer,
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that they should, as long as the non-believer, the person
who has not yet trusted Jesus is willing to stay married.
Stay married. Don't. Don't try and break up that relationship.
That's what it's about. And I just want to be
really clear. John 824 says this, uh, it says, uh. Um,
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let's see if I got the right verse. I've got
the wrong book. John 824 says, unless you believe that
I am he, you're still in your sins. Unless you
believe that I am is literally what it says. Unless
you believe in me. Jesus says, you're still in your sins.
And why is that so crucial? Well, it's. This is
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what I'm reading it. Ready? If you do not believe
that I am he, you will die in your sins.
And the. The Greek actually says, unless you believe I am.
You have to believe in all that Jesus says he is,
that he is deity, that he died, died for us,
that he rose again. We have to believe or we're
still in our sins. That's individually for every person. So
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know first Corinthians seven is not saying, by virtue of
being married to a believer, that the husband or the
wife will be automatically saved. What it is saying is
that it is more likely for that person to become
a believer, as long as he stay. Remember, it's the
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idea stay married as long as that person who isn't
a believer is willing to stay with you, because this
sets up a much better situation, where that spouse would
be much more likely to believe and come to faith
in Jesus, and that's how they're set apart. They're in
a good situation by staying in in that marriage relationship.
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And so if you're concerned about your husband coming to
know the Lord, stay married to him, stay married to
him and win him as first Peter three talks about that.
And and when it says you're set apart, they're in
a better a better setting. If if you stay married
than if, if you end up divorcing.
S8 (32:46):
Okay. And even I think about the stories I've heard
of the influence of the believing spouse on the unbelieving spouse.
Like I think of Lee and Leslie Strobel.
S1 (32:55):
That's exactly what I thought.
S8 (32:57):
They've shared their story, um, of just seeing that person
set apart. And we even have talked about it. Um,
you know, with that, Romans 1111 for the the Jewish
person watching the Gentile like Act toward them in such
a way that they ask you, why are you living
this way? Why are you different? That your spouse can
see you living differently and ask those questions and see
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that in the the the? I'll say the worst, like
you're not on display outwardly to everyone else, but you
are on display to your spouse all the time. Well.
S1 (33:29):
You know, first Peter three where it talks about the
wife winning her husband without a word. I think what
it is is that saying, don't badger your spouse, uh,
but love your spouse. And in that way you win
him without a word. Now, obviously, it'll take words. You'll
have to be able to talk about it, but you'll
open his heart. He'll want what you have. And and
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that's why God says stay married. If the non-believer is
willing to stay with you.
S8 (33:56):
And pray for them, pray for your spouse. Yeah.
S1 (33:59):
I have dear friends. Uh, really? I thought of Lee
immediately because Lee Strobel, his wife's. Yeah, his wife's changed life.
But I have a dear friend and his wife's changed life. Uh,
also won him over. And there was actually, uh, at
their church. They had a a Bible study they started
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called Beloved Unbeliever, and they invited the unbelieving spouses to
come and try and figure out what your, your spouse
is believing so that you can understand your spouse better.
And that was a great thing. What a great idea. Yeah.
You know, we're only inviting you if you don't believe
so that you can understand what this thing your spouse
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has fallen into. Yeah. And and I have a friend
who came to the Lord through that. Isn't that something?
S8 (34:47):
Wow, that's really cool. Yeah. Well, we got one more question. Uh,
from First Corinthians. This goes to chapter 11. Rachel in
in Illinois listens to WBA and wants to know about
women covering their heads and the cultural context of that
in first Corinthians 11, as far as how it was
practiced in the early church. she said. The church that
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she attends now practices this in public worship, and the
chapter is confusing to me, but it's clear God would
be glorified in this. What are your thoughts on if
this chapter is referring to women having their heads covered
in public worship only, or any time they pray?
S1 (35:27):
Here's how I understand first Corinthians 11. The principle that
Paul was teaching is that the attitude of deference that
women were supposed to give to their leadership, to their husbands,
and it was one of the in the the cultural
way that they showed that was by being veiled in public.
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So the veiling in public was an outward sign of
a submissive heart. Now, today, if a woman veiled herself
completely in church, no one would say, oh, yeah, she's
she's deferring to the leadership. The veil was a external
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cultural expression of an internal heart attitude. As a result,
I don't think women need to veil themselves in church anymore.
But for example, I remember saying how a woman dresses
in church if if she's going to dress in a
modest way, in a way that's reflective of that internal
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commitment to God. That submissive, deferential heart. Uh, well, that's
how they should express it. It doesn't have to be
with a veil. It has to be with some sort of.
And I think women can be very stylish, um, but
still dress in a way that reflects modesty. And I
would say that's what that's talking about in first Corinthians 11. Okay.
S8 (36:56):
Okay. All right. Thank you.
S1 (36:58):
Well, we're going to break here. Thanks so much for
those questions. Thanks for sending them in. All you have
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knows which ones she wants to ask. And so your
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mailbag program coming up. This is Michael Radnich. That was
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with Jason in Cleveland, Ohio, listening on CRF. Welcome to
Open Line, Jason. How can I help you?
S2 (40:30):
Thank you.
S9 (40:30):
Doctor. Uh, I appreciate your help on this question. Um,
my question is, is when Jesus was being. No. Thank you. Um,
my question is, is when Jesus was being baptized, was
the significance of the dove descending on him more for John?
And if not, was there any significance for Jesus?
S1 (40:52):
I have no idea.
S9 (40:57):
I don't believe it. I don't believe.
S3 (40:59):
It.
S1 (41:00):
Well, no, I really don't know. What I know is this, uh,
it's written in the text. The significance wasn't for Jesus
or for John, but in the text, it was written
for the reader. And it was to say that the
the Spirit of God descended on Jesus, and it was a, uh,
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affirmation of his spirit empowered ministry. So for those of
its it was the original reader. And for you, Jason,
and for me, it's to say the Lord Jesus earthly
ministry was fully empowered by the Holy Spirit of God.
In other words, what this is saying is his ministry
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wasn't just his deity taken over, but he was the
God man. And what he was doing was being empowered
by the Spirit of God, not himself. That's what it's
saying to the reader. So, you know, so.
S9 (42:01):
Often.
S1 (42:01):
So often I, I think people we ask, what was
the significance of this for the characters in the story
and the narrative that we're reading before us? And I
think we ought to be asking, what is the significance
for the reader, because that's why it was written down
for us. Okay.
S9 (42:20):
Okay. Yeah.
S1 (42:22):
Does that.
S9 (42:22):
Help? I looked at when Jesus said it does, but
I get I'm a little unclear because Jesus was fully God.
And so, John, I guess I'm looking at John needing
more understanding of this is Jesus's ministry. And now he's
going to proclaim it. Um, but I guess the dove
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is not something Jesus needed. He was fully God.
S1 (42:45):
Yeah, he he knew that. But I was saying to
the reader, uh, you and me when we read this,
that Jesus wasn't just doing this because he's God. he
self limits himself and he's operating as a generally speaking,
I mean, he obviously in John he knows he's omniscient,
but he self limits himself so much and does things
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by the power of the Holy Spirit. That's what it's saying.
S3 (43:11):
Perfect.
S1 (43:11):
Okay. Okay. Thank you Jason. Appreciate it. We're going to
speak with Victor in Milner, Georgia listening on WMV. Welcome
to Open Line, Victor. How can I help you?
S10 (43:23):
Thank you so much for having me.
S1 (43:26):
Sure. How can I help you?
S10 (43:28):
Um, I'm. I have a question about revelation three nine. Um,
you know how everything's going on, and a lot of
people are being divided, um, about the support of current Israel. And, um,
I want to know if I, as a Christian, am.
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Supposed to, um, back the government of Israel.
S1 (43:58):
Oh, this is the whole thing with, uh, Tucker and, oh,
the government of Israel. He he just doesn't understand it.
You're talking about what you're trying to do is call
by saying this. By asking this, you're saying that Israel
is the synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews
and are not. Is that what you're saying about revelation
three nine?
S10 (44:18):
I haven't heard that. I honestly, um, no, my family
is split in half. So I've been I've been trying
to find, um.
S1 (44:26):
Okay, you know what? I only got a minute. Let
me just tell you this. Revelation three nine is not
talking about the state of Israel. It's not even I'm
going to tell you who it's talking about.
S3 (44:38):
Okay?
S10 (44:39):
I come with this with.
S1 (44:41):
Let me let me tell you who it's talking about. Uh,
it's it's talking about, uh, people, likely Gentiles Miles who
were teaching that they that in order for someone to
be saved, they had to convert to Judaism and be circumcised.
(45:01):
And they were adding a work is what Galatians forbids.
And so he says, take note. I will make those
from the synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews
and are not they're not even Jewish. But they took
the circumcision as a prerequisite for salvation before faith. Uh,
they are Jews. They claim to be Jews, but are
(45:24):
not and are lying. Note this I will make them
come and bow down at your feet. In other words,
what Jesus is saying. These Gentiles who have converted to
Judaism so they could be believers in Jesus, and they're
adding a work to salvation. They're wrong. That's in a
community or teaching a false teaching which is sourced in
(45:45):
the enemy. It's not talking about Israel. It's not talking
about Jewish people. It's talking about people who claim to
be Jewish but are not, uh, because they've gone through
this ritual circumcision. They just claim to be Jewish. So
it's not talking about Israel at all, so you don't
have to worry about that. Okay, well, that's the program
(46:07):
for the week. I just needed to be clear about that.
Synagogue of Satan thing. Uh, I'm glad that we had
an opportunity to talk about that. Uh, next week, we'll
be back. Talk about more of your questions about the Bible, God,
and the spiritual life. Uh, thanks to, uh, Tricia McMillan
and to Lisa and to Omar and Reena, uh, for
(46:28):
all that they've done today to make this program possible,
keep in touch with us by going to our website,
Openline Radio.com, and you'll find all the links you're looking
for there. Keep reading the Bible. We'll talk about it
next week. Open line with Doctor Michael Melnick is a
production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.
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