June 21, 2025 • 46 mins
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S1 (00:09):
Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open
Line with Doctor Michael Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America.
We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God and
the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray. I'm the
academic dean, and I'm also a professor of Jewish studies
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because if you have your Bibles open, we're ready to
talk about the scriptures, and we're going to talk with
Jeff in Minnesota listening on CTI. Welcome to Open Line, Jeff.
(01:19):
How can I help you today?
S2 (01:21):
Thank you. Michael. It's very much an honor to talk
to you today. My question is about the law. About
the law to understand the, uh, you know, it all
the that which, uh, the New Testament tells us Jesus
fulfilled the law. Did he? First off, is there a
definitive list? And did he fulfill just the sacrificial part?
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Certainly there's some law that we follow in the legal, uh, governmental, uh,
situation right now. Uh, basically the same, same thing. But
he didn't deliver us from from that. But just I
was trying to find out. Is there a definitive list
or where I should look to really get a full description?
S1 (02:07):
The passage you're talking about the the Lord fulfilling the law, right?
Is Matthew five okay? Right. That's what you're talking about.
Or am I telling you or are you. Are you
aware of that?
S2 (02:21):
Yeah, I'm aware of that. That's that's true.
S1 (02:25):
Okay. So Matthew five says this in verse 17. And
I think most people miss this. Are you ready?
S2 (02:32):
Yes.
S1 (02:33):
Don't assume that I came to destroy the law or
the prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
When he talks about the law of the prophets, he's
not talking about just the Law of Moses. He's talking
about the Old Testament. Now, later on, uh, the Jesus
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and Luke talks about the law, the prophets, and the writings,
or the Psalms. The threefold. But generally speaking, when people
talked about the scriptures, the Old Testament scriptures, they called
them the law and the prophets. And so when Jesus said,
I didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets,
I didn't. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill.
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He's saying, I didn't come to destroy the scriptures. I
came to fulfill the scriptures. He's talking more broadly than
just the Law of Moses. And then he goes on
to talk about the law of Moses in particular. But
he is talking about the whole Bible. Uh, that's the
first thing. Secondly, when we look at the Bible, people
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will say, are we under the law of Moses or
are we not? And I give the really clear answer
of yes and no. Uh, the the reason I say
no is when we use the word law, it's used
a number of ways. It's used of the Pentateuch from
Genesis through Deuteronomy, right? Right. Is that the word of God,
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or are we under its authority? Yeah, of course it is.
It's our authority. When when Paul talks about the inspired scriptures,
he's including that, right? That's our authority. So, uh, on
the one hand, yes, we're under that. Secondly, he also
uses it of the Sinai covenant, the laws, the 613
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commandments that were handed down. Now, many of those Sinai
covenant laws have been repeated in the New Covenant. So
if we're new covenant followers of Jesus, we have to
be obedient to those same laws. Uh, like nine of
the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament. So
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are we under that? But our lifestyle is sort of
an enhanced New Covenant law, meaning Paul keeps talking about
the law of Christ. You may have seen that the
Messianic Torah, the messianic law, that's that's how you could
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translate it. So we're we're operating our operating system is
the law of Messiah, but that encompasses, uh, the teachings
and the principles that are in the law of Moses. So,
for example, kosher laws, I think all foods have been
declared clean. People can eat whatever they want. Uh, people
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can keep kosher. They can not keep kosher. It's up
to them. You want to have bacon and eggs or
instead of turkey bacon, have actual bacon from a pig.
It's allowed. Right? However, there are principles that are in
that passage. So no matter what, we need to treat
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those individual laws as God's wisdom and find the wisdom
principle that governs our lives. And in that sense, we're
under it. We're not under the specific don't eat these foods,
but we are under the principle of that. God said
he wanted Israel to be holy in Leviticus 11. He
wanted Israel to be separate, and one of the ways
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they could separate themselves would be to carry, to keep
the kosher laws. So that's why, uh, it says be holy,
for I am holy there at the end of Leviticus 11.
Should we keep ourselves distinct and separate? Yeah, that's the
wisdom principle. And we have to be different in some
way than those people around us. Does that does that
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make sense?
S2 (06:35):
Yeah, it gives me a lot to think about, about
fulfilling all the scripture, uh, rather than just the first
five list, Leviticus and and whatnot. So, uh, yeah, I
appreciate that insight. Yeah, it gives me more. Yeah.
S1 (06:49):
Great. Uh, okay. Uh, we're going to, uh, we're going
to talk to Tony in West Chicago, uh, listening on Wmbi.
Welcome to Open Line, Tony. How can I help you?
S3 (07:06):
Thank you. Um, yeah. Um, my question, um, has been
something that's been on my mind for a while now.
And just to preface, uh, I am a strong supporter
of Israel. I hope and pray for their safety and success. However,
Old Testament Israel was disciplined by God for idolatry, by
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enemy nations, and news of Israel's secularism, like the abortion, uh,
counts and homosexuality, which is all idolatry, has been very
worrying to me. Could it be that the October 7th
massacre has been a wake up call to Israel? And
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if so, has there been a discussion on this perspective
in Israel regarding future concerns, and should we be praying
in this respect in this regard?
S1 (07:57):
Well, I would put it this way. You know what?
I'm going to be really blunt here. Where would I
rather be as a person who affirms God's and the
biblical expectations of human sexuality? I would rather be in
Israel than, for example, in Gaza, where Hamas kills people
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who have same sex relationships. Right? They throw them off
the roof. So I would I would rather be in
Israel where there's freedom, just like I think in America.
I think that I would rather be in a democracy
that has recognizes the humanity and human rights of of
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people like, engaged in, in same sex relationships. I'm not
in any way saying that we need to, to to, uh,
have anything but respect for those people, even if we
disagree with their lifestyle. I'm not endorsing anything about the lifestyle.
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I'm just saying people are made in the image of God.
And I appreciate that Israel doesn't do what happens in
many countries around Israel. Wouldn't you agree with that?
S3 (09:14):
Well, I think that's that's not only just one issue
of of idolatry. It's the whole issue.
S1 (09:19):
Well, I'm going to go on to talk about the others,
but I just want to know if you agree with
me about that.
S3 (09:25):
I think that, um, it's certainly good to be certainly
trying to find how to help those who are have
made these decisions. Absolutely. And in, in as a Christian,
I work I absolutely work toward that.
S1 (09:42):
Yeah. Okay. Good. Now, uh, Uh, the. That's a governmental perspective,
not a personal. Do you understand what I'm saying? Uh,
I think that we ought not to do anything unkind
or un. Uh, untoward, uh, to anyone. Even people who
don't know the Lord. I mean, what do you think? So, uh, now,
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the other thing I would say about this is. Yes. God. Uh,
so often people think there's, like, this tit for tat
thing going on, but God does this in our lives, too,
doesn't he? He brings difficulties and challenges in our lives,
either to make us more faithful or to correct us
when we've been unfaithful. Isn't that true? Right? That's what
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Hebrews 12 is about.
S3 (10:30):
So pretty. Pretty, uh. Painful?
S1 (10:33):
Yeah. And so not that there was any justification for what, uh,
for what Hamas did. Not that, uh, there's any endorsement
of it. Uh, and we shouldn't approve of it in
any way, shape or form. Uh, we should condemn it.
Hate it, uh, respect Israel's right to defend itself. All
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that's true. But don't you think it causes people to say, well,
I better seek the Lord? You know, it says in
Psalm 120, verse one, uh, that out of my distress
I cry to the Lord, and he heard me. And
so I've been talking to friends who are followers of
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Jesus in Israel, and they have been telling me they
have never seen Israelis quite as open spiritually as they've
seen them since 1011. That this has done something in
the land to bring a sense of searching, a searching
for the Lord, to see where God is at. So
that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to pray
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that God opens hearts and people will, uh, come to
know him because of the struggles that they're facing. I
think that's how I would pray for Israel right now.
Not only for deliverance from this difficulty. Difficult situation. For safety,
for protection, but also for spiritual pursuit of the Lord.
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And that God would reveal himself to them. I think
that would be great, don't you, Tony? I do, I
hope so. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. We'll be back with more
questions in just a moment. This is open line with
Michael Radulovic. Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael Radulovic.
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we're going to talk with Craig and Grand Rapids Michigan
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listening on WGN. Welcome to Open Line Craig. How can
I help you today.
S4 (15:15):
Hi. Um, thanks for taking me. And I'm kind of
I've been reading through the Bible and stuff. And then
with all the, all the wars and stuff going on
right now, and, and I just had the question, like
going through, um, in Matthew where Jesus says, um, to
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love your enemy. And then in Luke he says, do
good to them. I don't, it's how how would that
look if, say, Netanyahu said, I'm going like, I.
S1 (15:53):
I love Iran and so they can nuke me if
they want. They can nuke my people.
S4 (15:57):
Well, no, no, no, not if and I believe I
believe in Israel because it says in the Bible, um,
don't ever go against Israel.
S1 (16:06):
Well, here's here's the thing that you're asking about, first
of all, those verses about love your enemy. That's not
talking about international affairs, that's talking about, uh, into interpersonal conflicts.
And I think it's, uh, very important that we do
make enemies in life, and we have to love them
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and care for them and do good for them. That's
first of all. Right. Uh, secondly, uh, Uh, sometimes holding
people accountable is the most loving thing to do. I'll
think back to when there was some people. I was
leading a Bible study that was going to become a
congregation in Brooklyn, New York, and we were there, and
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some people came in to disrupt the meeting, and they
started turning over our tables and knocking over chairs and
knocking people down and doing all this. And one of
our guys working with the ministry I was with grabbed
one of those guys to protect the people and held them.
He was sort of a martial arts expert. He didn't
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hurt the guy. He just held him. We called the
police and the police said, uh, you know, when the
police were on their way, we called 911. Uh, this
guy says to us, I thought you were supposed to
be Jesus followers. What about loving your enemies? And we said,
we do love you. You have to learn not to
act this way. And the way you can learn that
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is by being held accountable. And so we're calling the
police in love, and we're going to press charges and
we're going to, you know, try and find every charge
we can. Press. So you learn not to behave this
way because that would be the most loving thing to do.
That's also loving and doing good for people. And then finally, uh,
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there's the responsibility of a state. According to Romans 13,
that it's not that it's not loving, but there still
is this accountability that other nations will have if they threaten, uh,
your nation with a nuclear weapon to eradicate it. A
government would be responsible to stop that. Uh, and it
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would be the most loving thing to do for all involved.
The same thing when Hamas acted that way and threatened
to have repeated, um, uh, assaults on Israel, repeated invasions.
They said that right away. This is not the first one.
We're going to do it again and again and again. Well,
then there had to be. The most loving thing to
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do is to hold them to account. And so it's
a lot of times we look at love as being
very soft. And sometimes love has to be very tough.
S4 (18:46):
That's not that's definitely not what I'm saying, but I'm
saying Jesus says so they came in the Hamas did
that horrible thing. And I can understand they threw your
tables over. You stopped the guy. Yes. That's defending immediately.
But they're done. They're gone. And now we plan. And
you look at Jesus and say, all right, Jesus, what
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do we do? We get over there. And I just
can't like, does Jesus say, yes, get over there and
kill them.
S1 (19:16):
He says, well, I'm going to tell you what he says. Okay, Craig.
S4 (19:20):
Greg can handle it.
S1 (19:21):
Craig. This is what he says. He is the New Testament,
the word of God.
S4 (19:28):
Yes.
S1 (19:29):
Yes. So it's the word of Jesus. In fact, it's
called the Word of Christ in Romans chapter 13. It
says that the government is a servant of God. Twice
it says the government is a servant of the Lord
to carry out vengeance appropriately. Now, I don't mean revenge.
S4 (19:52):
But that's a verse.
S1 (19:54):
Yeah. Here's what it says.
S4 (19:55):
Said to carry out vengeance.
S1 (19:57):
Here's what it is. Uh. An avenger. Listen to the verse.
Government is God's servant for your good. This is Paul writing.
But the word of God is the word of Christ, right? So.
But if you do wrong, be afraid.
S4 (20:12):
Right?
S1 (20:13):
Pardon me.
S4 (20:15):
Whether they believe or not. Believe.
S1 (20:16):
Yeah. Listen to this, okay? Government is God's servant for
your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid because
it does not carry the sword. That's the assault weapon
of the first century. For no reason for government is
God's servant and avenger that brings wrath on the one
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who does wrong. That's a governmental responsibility.
S4 (20:42):
Yeah, that does make sense. What verse was that?
S1 (20:44):
Romans 13 four.
S4 (20:48):
Okay. And then so would it be wrong to you
for a soldier in Israel, to a Christian soldier, to say,
I'm not going over there and killing those people?
S1 (20:58):
No, I think it would be wrong. Uh, a soldier
is under the government, and the government is authorized to
do this. And just like in Israel, in ancient Israel,
when God authorized, uh, the government of Israel to to
go to war.
S4 (21:17):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying, would
Jesus would that be he's using Jesus as to say,
that's my worst enemy.
S1 (21:23):
I think he I think I think.
S4 (21:25):
He's.
S1 (21:26):
I think what he would be saying would be misusing
the words of Jesus, which have to do with personal
enmity and not governmental responsibility.
S4 (21:37):
So you could hear Jesus only saying, get over there.
S1 (21:40):
And you know what, Craig? I'm trying to say to
you as clearly as I can, that I believe I
was once in a discussion with a pacifist who didn't
believe that anyone should ever go to war, and when
asked why wait, Craig. Wait when when when when he
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said that the question was why? And he said, what
would Jesus do? And I said, okay, read revelation 19
and revelation 19 says that the Lord Jesus himself will
go to war. So if we're going to do what
Jesus did, there may be circumstances that a government requires
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us to go to war. So that's all I'm saying.
And what you're doing is dealing with a non-governmental situation
and trying to make it into, uh, apply it to
a governmental situation, which is different.
S4 (22:45):
I know. Okay. We follow the government until it goes against.
And I'm not I'm not saying it's wrong.
S1 (22:50):
I'm talking about.
S4 (22:51):
I'm. I'm just confused.
S1 (22:53):
Craig. I'm talking Craig. I'm talking about a biblical responsibility
for government. Romans 13 four. So. Okay. That's what I'm
talking about.
S4 (23:03):
What happened when Babylon came in and took them?
S1 (23:07):
Babylon was held accountable for that. Read the book of Habakkuk.
S4 (23:12):
But yeah, but that's the I mean, God came in
and said, go, go with.
S1 (23:16):
Them, you know. Craig, listen, I'm going to just tell
you Babylon has really nothing to do with what we're
talking about here. Here's what it says. The Bible says
that that's a governmental responsibility. That's all I'm saying. Okay.
And that may be the most loving, loving thing to do.
And by the way, I do think it's loving, uh,
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to get Hamas out of Gaza. That would be the
best thing to do. So anyway, thanks for your call, Craig. Uh,
we're going to talk with, uh, David in Mentor, Ohio. Uh,
welcome to Open Line. David. How can I help you?
S5 (23:58):
Uh, good morning, doctor. Thank you for taking my call. Sure.
I have a question. Well, first, before I say anything,
I want to say to Craig, um, he needs to
learn what Jesus meant when Jesus said that no longer, uh,
you know, you would go bare handed that you would
need to pick up a sword. So you're allowed to
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protect yourself anyway?
S6 (24:22):
Yeah. Go ahead.
S5 (24:24):
Getting to my question.
S6 (24:25):
Mhm.
S5 (24:26):
And acts 1040. Verse 42 and says to him, uh,
which was ordained of God to be the judge of
the quick and the dead. I'm kind of curious if
the quick if he's referring to people who are physically alive,
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or is he talking about people who are spiritually quickened
and with the dead? Same thing. People were physically dead,
or people who are spiritually dead. It may be both.
S6 (25:01):
But I think he's talking about.
S1 (25:04):
The living and the dead just means all people for
all time. That's all it means.
S6 (25:10):
It's a it's a it's.
S1 (25:12):
A merism meaning that he is going to be the
judge of all people. People who have died, people who
are alive, people who will live, all people he will
be the judge of. Okay.
S5 (25:24):
You're here to talk that people are. People are saved,
that they will not be judged. But I believe.
S1 (25:31):
He.
S6 (25:32):
Is the judge of all people.
S5 (25:33):
For actions. Yeah.
S1 (25:35):
He's a judge of all. And now he's going to
judge believers differently. It'll be at the the Bema Seat
of the Messiah. Well, thanks for your call, David. We'll
be back in just a bit with more of your
questions right here on Open Line with Michael Ray Dolnick.
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Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Elnec, and
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What do you think?
S7 (27:02):
All right. Sounds great. We got a question on Facebook
from someone who says I'm a baker for farmers markets.
And last year, I began a farmers market in our
church parking lot with the support of the pastors, elders
and trustees and then the vendor fees that the people
selling things, um, pay goes back into the church and
needs there, which is kind of a cool deal.
S6 (27:22):
So it's.
S1 (27:22):
A fundraiser in a sense, for the.
S7 (27:24):
Church? Yeah. Several members of the church are vendors there, too.
And we've even had a hot dog lunch outreach as
a youth group fundraiser. An influential member has compared this
farmer's market, though, to the story of Jesus overturning the
tables in the temple and has told has told me
that we should know better. My vision was to use
it as an outreach, a collaboration with the church, creating
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connections in the community, and so many good things. But
instead it seems to be turning into a battle. I
don't want to continue this if it's a bad thing.
Is the market comparable to the temple money changers? And
I would even throw in like a church rummage sale
would be, I think, a similar thing.
S6 (28:02):
Well.
S1 (28:04):
This was not only did this come up once before
when I was a pastor in New York a long
time ago. Uh, we were going to a Bible conference,
and we had a lot of new Russian Jewish immigrants
in our congregation, and they couldn't afford to go to
this Bible conference at a Bible conference center in the mountains.
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And we were going to go. And so what we
did is we had a rummage sale in our parking lot.
Everyone brought everything, and we raised enough money to send
every single person that couldn't afford to go to this conference.
And what was so strange is there was one woman
in our congregation who just went crazy about it. She
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thought this was the end of the world. She thought
that what we were doing was turning our our temple
into a den of thieves. Uh, and so I've encountered
this before. Here's what I would say. The problem with
the money changers and what was going on in the
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temple is completely different. Here's what was happening. First of all,
they people had to bring a sacrifice so they would
go to the temple. No matter how spotless or perfect
their lamb was, if they brought one, the inspectors from
the priesthood would say, nah, that's not quite good enough.
We want the ones that we can be sure of.
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You have to buy one of ours. And it was
like at airport prices is the way I would describe it.
You know, you go to the airport and you want
to get a hot dog and it's $16 and you're like, wow.
Do they know what's going on outside of the airport?
So they would charge a great deal for those perfect
spotless lambs and goats and things in, in the temple.
And then you'd say, okay, I'll buy it because I
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have to bring my sacrifice. And then they would say, oh,
I'm sorry, your money's no good here. You've got to
go to the money changers. We only have temple currency.
You can't give us a shekel. You've got to give
us a temple shekel. And. Okay, so I'll go to
the money changers, and those guys would charge. Well, there's
a 20% fee to convert your money to temple money.
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And so they were making money in a corrupt way.
And that's what was upsetting the Lord. Not that there
were if they had just been a nonprofit and providing
the animals at at proper price, if they were converting
the money with a reasonable amount of, of a surcharge,
I don't think it would have spurred the, the, the, the,
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the conflict that that did come out because of it.
That's what made the Lord Jesus so righteously angry. And
so it seems to me. Go ahead with your parking
lot farmers market. It's it's a great way to raise money.
S7 (30:52):
Okay. All right. Thank you for that question. I hope
that helps. Um, as you continue to reach out in
your community. Uh, Michael wrote us in Indiana, listens to WGN,
and said, I'm leading a Bible study through the book
of acts. And as I have prepared, I have gotten
to verse two, chapter 16, verse three, which has raised
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two questions for me. One why would Paul circumcise Timothy?
Let me read the verse. Paul wanted Timothy to go
with him, so he took him and circumcised him because
of the Jews who were in those places. Since they
all knew that his father was a Greek. So why
would Paul circumcise Timothy if, as he states in first
Corinthians 718 and 19 and Galatians five six, the circumcision
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isn't what saves you, and it doesn't matter. Um, and
then perhaps more to the point, number two, how would
anyone even know that Timothy was circumcised?
S1 (31:53):
Okay. Uh, the verse, first of all, let me just
state that when Paul writes in first Corinthians 718, was
anyone already circumcised when he was called? In other words,
are you Jewish because Jewish people would be circumcised on
the eighth day because of an outward sign of the
Abrahamic covenant? He should not undo his circumcision. There was
actually a surgery that people were doing. So they compete
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in Greco-Roman World Games that demonstrated that restored the circumcision
or undid the circumcision, I should say. And so he said,
don't do that if you're Jewish, stay Jewish. Uh, he
should not get if someone is uncircumcised, if you're a
Gentile and become a follower of Jesus, don't get circumcised.
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You don't have to become Jewish to become a follower.
So when he says he should not get circumcised, he's
talking about Gentiles. Same thing in Galatians. What was the
problem in Galatians? They were telling Gentiles they had to
be circumcised in order to become followers of Jesus. It
was addressing Gentiles. He says in the Messiah, Jesus, neither
circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything. In other words, if you're
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a Gentile, you don't have to be circumcised to come
to faith. That's the point of that. And so. why
is it that Paul Circumcises Timothy? Is because Timothy's mother
is Jewish. He considers Timothy fully Jewish. The outward sign
of the Abrahamic Covenant. Not for salvation, but for the
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the God's faithfulness to Israel was through circumcision. And so
Paul did that as a mark of the Abrahamic covenant,
just as you would with any Jewish child. Uh, just
as Paul was circumcised on the eighth day. So that's
why he circumcised Timothy. He wouldn't have circumcised Titus. In fact,
he says he didn't. The reason he didn't was because
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Titus was a Gentile and there was a principle involved.
Don't want anyone to think that a person has to
be circumcised on the eighth day, or ritually, in order
to be saved. That's why it was for the outward
sign of the Abrahamic Covenant. How did they know? I
think people would ask, uh, are you are you are
you circumcised? Yeah. You know.
S7 (34:07):
Because they would know that he's Jewish.
S1 (34:10):
Yeah.
S7 (34:10):
Okay.
S1 (34:11):
Yeah. That's it. Okay. And they would also know that
his father wasn't Jewish. People would. And. And so they ask,
I don't think that they have an inspection.
S7 (34:20):
Okay.
S1 (34:21):
You know, I've been asked. Believe it or not, when, uh,
when I've met people, uh, in very observant Jews and
they find out I'm a messianic Jew, they'll say, well,
were you circumcised? Of course. Eighth day, you know.
S7 (34:37):
Okay.
S1 (34:38):
So no one ever would do anything other than that.
S7 (34:41):
Okay. And it wouldn't matter that that his father was
Greek because his mother was Jewish.
S6 (34:48):
Yeah.
S1 (34:49):
Either in the Bible, either parent being Jewish makes the
child Jewish.
S7 (34:54):
Okay. All right. And therefore, as a witness to the
Jewish people in those places where he was going to go,
this was also a witness to them.
S1 (35:04):
I would go even further. Not just a witness. Yeah.
But also because God commanded Jews to circumcise on the
eighth day. He missed it because obviously his father had
objected to it. So, uh, but as an obedience to Abraham,
the outward sign of the Abrahamic covenant.
S7 (35:20):
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. You want
to do one more?
S6 (35:25):
Yeah.
S1 (35:25):
Let's do it real quick.
S7 (35:26):
Okay. Anita in Indiana listens to WGN and says, first
John 516, which says if anyone sees his brother committing
a sin that does not bring death, he should ask
as in prayer, and God will give life to him.
To those who commit sin that doesn't bring death. There
is sin that brings death. I am not saying he
should pray about that. So Anita wants to know, is
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this saying not to pray for someone who has rejected
God in faith? How do we know that that person
won't repent and that we shouldn't pray for them?
S1 (35:58):
Yeah, this is not talking about whether a person, uh,
sealed their fate or if they're saved or anything like that.
This is talking about believers. And what it's saying is
that there are people, there are certain sins that mentions
it in first Corinthians 11, that there are some people
taking the Lord's Supper unworthily, and they were sick. Some
have even gone to sleep or died. Euphemism for death. Mhm.
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That there's a sin that can lead to death. Uh,
that there are certain sins, whether it's abusing, taking the
Lord's Supper, uh, inappropriately. Uh, there are certain sins. I'm
not sure what they all are, but we know that
there are certain sins that are more significant and that they,
the Lord, will take someone home. Um, and he said, here, uh,
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in this verse, if a person is involved in sin,
this believer, and it's not one of those sins that
they're not sick yet, they're they're not on the verge
of death, but pray for them that they would repent.
On the other hand, there may be a person who
is involved in a sin that brings death, and they're
already sick. They're on the point of death. Uh, it
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is clear that God has disciplined them. I'm not saying
he should pray about that, because the only thing that
can help this person is James five. I believe if
they call for the elders to pray, and that person
not only will be raised up from their deathbed, but
also their sins will be forgiven. So that person has
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to repent. This is just talking about temporal sin. Okay.
So temporal judgment for sin.
S7 (37:31):
Okay. All right. Thank you.
S1 (37:32):
Yeah. And sometimes it's God's mercy that he takes us
home rather than let us go on in our rebellious ways. Yeah,
it's hard for us to imagine that, but that's what
it is. We're going to. We're going to take a
break here. Tricia, thank you so much for putting the
mailbag together.
S7 (37:47):
You're welcome.
S1 (37:48):
I, I just I find it amazing how many you
get through and grateful for all of you who write
to Openlibrary.org by going to ask Michael a question. Really
appreciate that. That was Tricia McMillan asking the questions. I'm
Michael Ray. I'll be right back with more of your
questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. In
just a moment. Welcome back to Open Line. There's so
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listening on CRF. Welcome to Open Line. Jim. How can
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I help you today?
S8 (40:30):
Oh, thank you, doctor Ray. Um, it says in Luke
1040 to 42, but Martha was distracted in much serving,
and she approached him and said, Lord, do you not
care that my sister has helped me to serve alone?
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Therefore tell her to help me. And Jesus answered and
said to her, Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled
about many things, but one thing is needed, and Mary
has chosen that good part which will not be taken
away from her. I just wanted to make sure that
wasn't like, um, the Lord diminishing service of um, to him,
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except just the fact that she was worried and distressed.
S1 (41:19):
Well, I think this has to do with priorities that
so often, uh, what we do in our lives is
we get very busy with work and responsibilities and family
duties and so many things that we need to do.
It may be even making sure that everything is done
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on the house or in the garage is cleaned out
and all these different things that we prioritize that because
we want to run our households well and we neglect
that which is most important, which is spending time with
the Lord Jesus. It's not saying.
S8 (41:59):
That.
S1 (42:00):
Wait wait, wait, Jim, it's not saying that service is wrong.
It's not even saying that we shouldn't do those things.
It's just saying that what Mary has done is prioritize
her time with the Lord. And that's all it's saying. Uh,
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and what? Martha, Martha was kind of consumed with her tasks,
and as a result, uh, she wanted help. But sometimes,
you know, I often tell moms it's okay not to
sweep the floor every minute. Uh, if it means that
you're not going to have time with the Lord Jesus,
I tell guys, you don't have to make sure the
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garage looks perfect. What you have to do is make
sure that every day that we, we, uh, spend time
with the Lord and give that some priority. Does that help, Jim?
S8 (42:54):
Yeah, yeah. That did, um, I heard a sermon one time,
and they were saying how Martha was really, uh, good.
And they went on to say, you know, her service
to the Lord was was right, but they didn't balance
it with what Jesus said about Mary, which is really
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the point.
S1 (43:17):
Of, well, this is really about priorities, Jim. That's that's
what it is. And our first priority every day is
to spend some time at the feet of our Lord.
That's what we need to be doing. So hey, thanks
for your call. I really appreciate it. Jim. We're going
to talk to Ron in Elmwood Park, Illinois, listening on W-m-b-d.
Welcome to Open Line, Ron. Good morning.
S9 (43:39):
How are you?
S1 (43:40):
Good. How are you?
S9 (43:41):
I'm well, thank you. I have a very mundane question.
I believe in Joshua, uh, and specifically Joshua ten. They
speak about the sun standing still and near the end
of the, um, that chapter, I think it says that
the Israelites were invading Gibeah. And while they were doing this,
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the stunts played out for a day and a half
over Gibeah. Now, some thinks that thoughts were that, well,
maybe Israel needed more time. So that's why the sun
stood still. But in the Bible we're reading and in
the footnotes try to explain that if people had a
couple thoughts that no, God made the world stand still
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and or he had, um, reflective devices which reflected the
sun for this day and a half. Any comments or thoughts?
S1 (44:40):
Well, first of all, it says on the day the
Lord gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke
to the Lord in the presence of Israel. Sun, stand
still over Gibeon and moon over the valley of Ayalon.
Ayalon and the sun stood still, and the moon stopped
until the nation took vengeance on its enemies. Isn't this
written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stopped
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in the middle of the sky and delayed its setting
almost a full day. There is been no day like
it before, since when the Lord listened to the voice
of a man, because the Lord, the Lord fought for Israel.
Here's that's those are the verses you're talking about. I
think the simplest way is say, this is a miracle
that I can't explain. Uh, if the sun and moon,
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if the if the day really stopped that it didn't
proceed as it should have. You know, the sun we
revolve around the sun. The sun doesn't revolve around us.
But it looked like the sun stopped. I don't know
how that happens, because that that has to do with
the regulation of time and the world. I don't know
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how we would have stopped or the sun would have
stopped and I can't understand it. There are people who
propose scientific explanations, but frankly, I, you know, I just
live with it, that it was a miracle. God understands
how it worked. I don't need to, and I'm okay
with that. So I hope you are too. That's. That's
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how I live with it. Uh, Ronald, thanks for your call. Uh,
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Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open
Line with Doctor Michael Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America.
We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God and
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do you have your second cup of coffee? I hope so,
because if you have your Bibles open, we're ready to
talk about the scriptures, and we're going to talk with
Jeff in Minnesota listening on CTI. Welcome to Open Line, Jeff.
(01:19):
How can I help you today?
S2 (01:21):
Thank you. Michael. It's very much an honor to talk
to you today. My question is about the law. About
the law to understand the, uh, you know, it all
the that which, uh, the New Testament tells us Jesus
fulfilled the law. Did he? First off, is there a
definitive list? And did he fulfill just the sacrificial part?
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Certainly there's some law that we follow in the legal, uh, governmental, uh,
situation right now. Uh, basically the same, same thing. But
he didn't deliver us from from that. But just I
was trying to find out. Is there a definitive list
or where I should look to really get a full description?
S1 (02:07):
The passage you're talking about the the Lord fulfilling the law, right?
Is Matthew five okay? Right. That's what you're talking about.
Or am I telling you or are you. Are you
aware of that?
S2 (02:21):
Yeah, I'm aware of that. That's that's true.
S1 (02:25):
Okay. So Matthew five says this in verse 17. And
I think most people miss this. Are you ready?
S2 (02:32):
Yes.
S1 (02:33):
Don't assume that I came to destroy the law or
the prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
When he talks about the law of the prophets, he's
not talking about just the Law of Moses. He's talking
about the Old Testament. Now, later on, uh, the Jesus
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and Luke talks about the law, the prophets, and the writings,
or the Psalms. The threefold. But generally speaking, when people
talked about the scriptures, the Old Testament scriptures, they called
them the law and the prophets. And so when Jesus said,
I didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets,
I didn't. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill.
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He's saying, I didn't come to destroy the scriptures. I
came to fulfill the scriptures. He's talking more broadly than
just the Law of Moses. And then he goes on
to talk about the law of Moses in particular. But
he is talking about the whole Bible. Uh, that's the
first thing. Secondly, when we look at the Bible, people
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will say, are we under the law of Moses or
are we not? And I give the really clear answer
of yes and no. Uh, the the reason I say
no is when we use the word law, it's used
a number of ways. It's used of the Pentateuch from
Genesis through Deuteronomy, right? Right. Is that the word of God,
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or are we under its authority? Yeah, of course it is.
It's our authority. When when Paul talks about the inspired scriptures,
he's including that, right? That's our authority. So, uh, on
the one hand, yes, we're under that. Secondly, he also
uses it of the Sinai covenant, the laws, the 613
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commandments that were handed down. Now, many of those Sinai
covenant laws have been repeated in the New Covenant. So
if we're new covenant followers of Jesus, we have to
be obedient to those same laws. Uh, like nine of
the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament. So
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are we under that? But our lifestyle is sort of
an enhanced New Covenant law, meaning Paul keeps talking about
the law of Christ. You may have seen that the
Messianic Torah, the messianic law, that's that's how you could
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translate it. So we're we're operating our operating system is
the law of Messiah, but that encompasses, uh, the teachings
and the principles that are in the law of Moses. So,
for example, kosher laws, I think all foods have been
declared clean. People can eat whatever they want. Uh, people
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can keep kosher. They can not keep kosher. It's up
to them. You want to have bacon and eggs or
instead of turkey bacon, have actual bacon from a pig.
It's allowed. Right? However, there are principles that are in
that passage. So no matter what, we need to treat
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those individual laws as God's wisdom and find the wisdom
principle that governs our lives. And in that sense, we're
under it. We're not under the specific don't eat these foods,
but we are under the principle of that. God said
he wanted Israel to be holy in Leviticus 11. He
wanted Israel to be separate, and one of the ways
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they could separate themselves would be to carry, to keep
the kosher laws. So that's why, uh, it says be holy,
for I am holy there at the end of Leviticus 11.
Should we keep ourselves distinct and separate? Yeah, that's the
wisdom principle. And we have to be different in some
way than those people around us. Does that does that
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make sense?
S2 (06:35):
Yeah, it gives me a lot to think about, about
fulfilling all the scripture, uh, rather than just the first
five list, Leviticus and and whatnot. So, uh, yeah, I
appreciate that insight. Yeah, it gives me more. Yeah.
S1 (06:49):
Great. Uh, okay. Uh, we're going to, uh, we're going
to talk to Tony in West Chicago, uh, listening on Wmbi.
Welcome to Open Line, Tony. How can I help you?
S3 (07:06):
Thank you. Um, yeah. Um, my question, um, has been
something that's been on my mind for a while now.
And just to preface, uh, I am a strong supporter
of Israel. I hope and pray for their safety and success. However,
Old Testament Israel was disciplined by God for idolatry, by
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enemy nations, and news of Israel's secularism, like the abortion, uh,
counts and homosexuality, which is all idolatry, has been very
worrying to me. Could it be that the October 7th
massacre has been a wake up call to Israel? And
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if so, has there been a discussion on this perspective
in Israel regarding future concerns, and should we be praying
in this respect in this regard?
S1 (07:57):
Well, I would put it this way. You know what?
I'm going to be really blunt here. Where would I
rather be as a person who affirms God's and the
biblical expectations of human sexuality? I would rather be in
Israel than, for example, in Gaza, where Hamas kills people
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who have same sex relationships. Right? They throw them off
the roof. So I would I would rather be in
Israel where there's freedom, just like I think in America.
I think that I would rather be in a democracy
that has recognizes the humanity and human rights of of
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people like, engaged in, in same sex relationships. I'm not
in any way saying that we need to, to to, uh,
have anything but respect for those people, even if we
disagree with their lifestyle. I'm not endorsing anything about the lifestyle.
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I'm just saying people are made in the image of God.
And I appreciate that Israel doesn't do what happens in
many countries around Israel. Wouldn't you agree with that?
S3 (09:14):
Well, I think that's that's not only just one issue
of of idolatry. It's the whole issue.
S1 (09:19):
Well, I'm going to go on to talk about the others,
but I just want to know if you agree with
me about that.
S3 (09:25):
I think that, um, it's certainly good to be certainly
trying to find how to help those who are have
made these decisions. Absolutely. And in, in as a Christian,
I work I absolutely work toward that.
S1 (09:42):
Yeah. Okay. Good. Now, uh, Uh, the. That's a governmental perspective,
not a personal. Do you understand what I'm saying? Uh,
I think that we ought not to do anything unkind
or un. Uh, untoward, uh, to anyone. Even people who
don't know the Lord. I mean, what do you think? So, uh, now,
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the other thing I would say about this is. Yes. God. Uh,
so often people think there's, like, this tit for tat
thing going on, but God does this in our lives, too,
doesn't he? He brings difficulties and challenges in our lives,
either to make us more faithful or to correct us
when we've been unfaithful. Isn't that true? Right? That's what
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Hebrews 12 is about.
S3 (10:30):
So pretty. Pretty, uh. Painful?
S1 (10:33):
Yeah. And so not that there was any justification for what, uh,
for what Hamas did. Not that, uh, there's any endorsement
of it. Uh, and we shouldn't approve of it in
any way, shape or form. Uh, we should condemn it.
Hate it, uh, respect Israel's right to defend itself. All
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that's true. But don't you think it causes people to say, well,
I better seek the Lord? You know, it says in
Psalm 120, verse one, uh, that out of my distress
I cry to the Lord, and he heard me. And
so I've been talking to friends who are followers of
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Jesus in Israel, and they have been telling me they
have never seen Israelis quite as open spiritually as they've
seen them since 1011. That this has done something in
the land to bring a sense of searching, a searching
for the Lord, to see where God is at. So
that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to pray
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that God opens hearts and people will, uh, come to
know him because of the struggles that they're facing. I
think that's how I would pray for Israel right now.
Not only for deliverance from this difficulty. Difficult situation. For safety,
for protection, but also for spiritual pursuit of the Lord.
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And that God would reveal himself to them. I think
that would be great, don't you, Tony? I do, I
hope so. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. We'll be back with more
questions in just a moment. This is open line with
Michael Radulovic. Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael Radulovic.
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listening on WGN. Welcome to Open Line Craig. How can
I help you today.
S4 (15:15):
Hi. Um, thanks for taking me. And I'm kind of
I've been reading through the Bible and stuff. And then
with all the, all the wars and stuff going on
right now, and, and I just had the question, like
going through, um, in Matthew where Jesus says, um, to
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love your enemy. And then in Luke he says, do
good to them. I don't, it's how how would that
look if, say, Netanyahu said, I'm going like, I.
S1 (15:53):
I love Iran and so they can nuke me if
they want. They can nuke my people.
S4 (15:57):
Well, no, no, no, not if and I believe I
believe in Israel because it says in the Bible, um,
don't ever go against Israel.
S1 (16:06):
Well, here's here's the thing that you're asking about, first
of all, those verses about love your enemy. That's not
talking about international affairs, that's talking about, uh, into interpersonal conflicts.
And I think it's, uh, very important that we do
make enemies in life, and we have to love them
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and care for them and do good for them. That's
first of all. Right. Uh, secondly, uh, Uh, sometimes holding
people accountable is the most loving thing to do. I'll
think back to when there was some people. I was
leading a Bible study that was going to become a
congregation in Brooklyn, New York, and we were there, and
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some people came in to disrupt the meeting, and they
started turning over our tables and knocking over chairs and
knocking people down and doing all this. And one of
our guys working with the ministry I was with grabbed
one of those guys to protect the people and held them.
He was sort of a martial arts expert. He didn't
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hurt the guy. He just held him. We called the
police and the police said, uh, you know, when the
police were on their way, we called 911. Uh, this
guy says to us, I thought you were supposed to
be Jesus followers. What about loving your enemies? And we said,
we do love you. You have to learn not to
act this way. And the way you can learn that
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is by being held accountable. And so we're calling the
police in love, and we're going to press charges and
we're going to, you know, try and find every charge
we can. Press. So you learn not to behave this
way because that would be the most loving thing to do.
That's also loving and doing good for people. And then finally, uh,
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there's the responsibility of a state. According to Romans 13,
that it's not that it's not loving, but there still
is this accountability that other nations will have if they threaten, uh,
your nation with a nuclear weapon to eradicate it. A
government would be responsible to stop that. Uh, and it
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would be the most loving thing to do for all involved.
The same thing when Hamas acted that way and threatened
to have repeated, um, uh, assaults on Israel, repeated invasions.
They said that right away. This is not the first one.
We're going to do it again and again and again. Well,
then there had to be. The most loving thing to
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do is to hold them to account. And so it's
a lot of times we look at love as being
very soft. And sometimes love has to be very tough.
S4 (18:46):
That's not that's definitely not what I'm saying, but I'm
saying Jesus says so they came in the Hamas did
that horrible thing. And I can understand they threw your
tables over. You stopped the guy. Yes. That's defending immediately.
But they're done. They're gone. And now we plan. And
you look at Jesus and say, all right, Jesus, what
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do we do? We get over there. And I just
can't like, does Jesus say, yes, get over there and
kill them.
S1 (19:16):
He says, well, I'm going to tell you what he says. Okay, Craig.
S4 (19:20):
Greg can handle it.
S1 (19:21):
Craig. This is what he says. He is the New Testament,
the word of God.
S4 (19:28):
Yes.
S1 (19:29):
Yes. So it's the word of Jesus. In fact, it's
called the Word of Christ in Romans chapter 13. It
says that the government is a servant of God. Twice
it says the government is a servant of the Lord
to carry out vengeance appropriately. Now, I don't mean revenge.
S4 (19:52):
But that's a verse.
S1 (19:54):
Yeah. Here's what it says.
S4 (19:55):
Said to carry out vengeance.
S1 (19:57):
Here's what it is. Uh. An avenger. Listen to the verse.
Government is God's servant for your good. This is Paul writing.
But the word of God is the word of Christ, right? So.
But if you do wrong, be afraid.
S4 (20:12):
Right?
S1 (20:13):
Pardon me.
S4 (20:15):
Whether they believe or not. Believe.
S1 (20:16):
Yeah. Listen to this, okay? Government is God's servant for
your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid because
it does not carry the sword. That's the assault weapon
of the first century. For no reason for government is
God's servant and avenger that brings wrath on the one
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who does wrong. That's a governmental responsibility.
S4 (20:42):
Yeah, that does make sense. What verse was that?
S1 (20:44):
Romans 13 four.
S4 (20:48):
Okay. And then so would it be wrong to you
for a soldier in Israel, to a Christian soldier, to say,
I'm not going over there and killing those people?
S1 (20:58):
No, I think it would be wrong. Uh, a soldier
is under the government, and the government is authorized to
do this. And just like in Israel, in ancient Israel,
when God authorized, uh, the government of Israel to to
go to war.
S4 (21:17):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying, would
Jesus would that be he's using Jesus as to say,
that's my worst enemy.
S1 (21:23):
I think he I think I think.
S4 (21:25):
He's.
S1 (21:26):
I think what he would be saying would be misusing
the words of Jesus, which have to do with personal
enmity and not governmental responsibility.
S4 (21:37):
So you could hear Jesus only saying, get over there.
S1 (21:40):
And you know what, Craig? I'm trying to say to
you as clearly as I can, that I believe I
was once in a discussion with a pacifist who didn't
believe that anyone should ever go to war, and when
asked why wait, Craig. Wait when when when when he
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said that the question was why? And he said, what
would Jesus do? And I said, okay, read revelation 19
and revelation 19 says that the Lord Jesus himself will
go to war. So if we're going to do what
Jesus did, there may be circumstances that a government requires
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us to go to war. So that's all I'm saying.
And what you're doing is dealing with a non-governmental situation
and trying to make it into, uh, apply it to
a governmental situation, which is different.
S4 (22:45):
I know. Okay. We follow the government until it goes against.
And I'm not I'm not saying it's wrong.
S1 (22:50):
I'm talking about.
S4 (22:51):
I'm. I'm just confused.
S1 (22:53):
Craig. I'm talking Craig. I'm talking about a biblical responsibility
for government. Romans 13 four. So. Okay. That's what I'm
talking about.
S4 (23:03):
What happened when Babylon came in and took them?
S1 (23:07):
Babylon was held accountable for that. Read the book of Habakkuk.
S4 (23:12):
But yeah, but that's the I mean, God came in
and said, go, go with.
S1 (23:16):
Them, you know. Craig, listen, I'm going to just tell
you Babylon has really nothing to do with what we're
talking about here. Here's what it says. The Bible says
that that's a governmental responsibility. That's all I'm saying. Okay.
And that may be the most loving, loving thing to do.
And by the way, I do think it's loving, uh,
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to get Hamas out of Gaza. That would be the
best thing to do. So anyway, thanks for your call, Craig. Uh,
we're going to talk with, uh, David in Mentor, Ohio. Uh,
welcome to Open Line. David. How can I help you?
S5 (23:58):
Uh, good morning, doctor. Thank you for taking my call. Sure.
I have a question. Well, first, before I say anything,
I want to say to Craig, um, he needs to
learn what Jesus meant when Jesus said that no longer, uh,
you know, you would go bare handed that you would
need to pick up a sword. So you're allowed to
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protect yourself anyway?
S6 (24:22):
Yeah. Go ahead.
S5 (24:24):
Getting to my question.
S6 (24:25):
Mhm.
S5 (24:26):
And acts 1040. Verse 42 and says to him, uh,
which was ordained of God to be the judge of
the quick and the dead. I'm kind of curious if
the quick if he's referring to people who are physically alive,
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or is he talking about people who are spiritually quickened
and with the dead? Same thing. People were physically dead,
or people who are spiritually dead. It may be both.
S6 (25:01):
But I think he's talking about.
S1 (25:04):
The living and the dead just means all people for
all time. That's all it means.
S6 (25:10):
It's a it's a it's.
S1 (25:12):
A merism meaning that he is going to be the
judge of all people. People who have died, people who
are alive, people who will live, all people he will
be the judge of. Okay.
S5 (25:24):
You're here to talk that people are. People are saved,
that they will not be judged. But I believe.
S1 (25:31):
He.
S6 (25:32):
Is the judge of all people.
S5 (25:33):
For actions. Yeah.
S1 (25:35):
He's a judge of all. And now he's going to
judge believers differently. It'll be at the the Bema Seat
of the Messiah. Well, thanks for your call, David. We'll
be back in just a bit with more of your
questions right here on Open Line with Michael Ray Dolnick.
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Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Elnec, and
so glad to be with you. So grateful that you're listening.
And also so grateful that Tricia McMillan is coming in
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The Febc mailbag is there because the Febc Far Eastern
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Listen to it and be encouraged as the gospel is
spread through Febc. Hey, Tricia. Hey, we got a lot
of questions here. Let's see how many we can do.
What do you think?
S7 (27:02):
All right. Sounds great. We got a question on Facebook
from someone who says I'm a baker for farmers markets.
And last year, I began a farmers market in our
church parking lot with the support of the pastors, elders
and trustees and then the vendor fees that the people
selling things, um, pay goes back into the church and
needs there, which is kind of a cool deal.
S6 (27:22):
So it's.
S1 (27:22):
A fundraiser in a sense, for the.
S7 (27:24):
Church? Yeah. Several members of the church are vendors there, too.
And we've even had a hot dog lunch outreach as
a youth group fundraiser. An influential member has compared this
farmer's market, though, to the story of Jesus overturning the
tables in the temple and has told has told me
that we should know better. My vision was to use
it as an outreach, a collaboration with the church, creating
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connections in the community, and so many good things. But
instead it seems to be turning into a battle. I
don't want to continue this if it's a bad thing.
Is the market comparable to the temple money changers? And
I would even throw in like a church rummage sale
would be, I think, a similar thing.
S6 (28:02):
Well.
S1 (28:04):
This was not only did this come up once before
when I was a pastor in New York a long
time ago. Uh, we were going to a Bible conference,
and we had a lot of new Russian Jewish immigrants
in our congregation, and they couldn't afford to go to
this Bible conference at a Bible conference center in the mountains.
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And we were going to go. And so what we
did is we had a rummage sale in our parking lot.
Everyone brought everything, and we raised enough money to send
every single person that couldn't afford to go to this conference.
And what was so strange is there was one woman
in our congregation who just went crazy about it. She
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thought this was the end of the world. She thought
that what we were doing was turning our our temple
into a den of thieves. Uh, and so I've encountered
this before. Here's what I would say. The problem with
the money changers and what was going on in the
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temple is completely different. Here's what was happening. First of all,
they people had to bring a sacrifice so they would
go to the temple. No matter how spotless or perfect
their lamb was, if they brought one, the inspectors from
the priesthood would say, nah, that's not quite good enough.
We want the ones that we can be sure of.
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You have to buy one of ours. And it was
like at airport prices is the way I would describe it.
You know, you go to the airport and you want
to get a hot dog and it's $16 and you're like, wow.
Do they know what's going on outside of the airport?
So they would charge a great deal for those perfect
spotless lambs and goats and things in, in the temple.
And then you'd say, okay, I'll buy it because I
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have to bring my sacrifice. And then they would say, oh,
I'm sorry, your money's no good here. You've got to
go to the money changers. We only have temple currency.
You can't give us a shekel. You've got to give
us a temple shekel. And. Okay, so I'll go to
the money changers, and those guys would charge. Well, there's
a 20% fee to convert your money to temple money.
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And so they were making money in a corrupt way.
And that's what was upsetting the Lord. Not that there
were if they had just been a nonprofit and providing
the animals at at proper price, if they were converting
the money with a reasonable amount of, of a surcharge,
I don't think it would have spurred the, the, the, the,
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the conflict that that did come out because of it.
That's what made the Lord Jesus so righteously angry. And
so it seems to me. Go ahead with your parking
lot farmers market. It's it's a great way to raise money.
S7 (30:52):
Okay. All right. Thank you for that question. I hope
that helps. Um, as you continue to reach out in
your community. Uh, Michael wrote us in Indiana, listens to WGN,
and said, I'm leading a Bible study through the book
of acts. And as I have prepared, I have gotten
to verse two, chapter 16, verse three, which has raised
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two questions for me. One why would Paul circumcise Timothy?
Let me read the verse. Paul wanted Timothy to go
with him, so he took him and circumcised him because
of the Jews who were in those places. Since they
all knew that his father was a Greek. So why
would Paul circumcise Timothy if, as he states in first
Corinthians 718 and 19 and Galatians five six, the circumcision
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isn't what saves you, and it doesn't matter. Um, and
then perhaps more to the point, number two, how would
anyone even know that Timothy was circumcised?
S1 (31:53):
Okay. Uh, the verse, first of all, let me just
state that when Paul writes in first Corinthians 718, was
anyone already circumcised when he was called? In other words,
are you Jewish because Jewish people would be circumcised on
the eighth day because of an outward sign of the
Abrahamic covenant? He should not undo his circumcision. There was
actually a surgery that people were doing. So they compete
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in Greco-Roman World Games that demonstrated that restored the circumcision
or undid the circumcision, I should say. And so he said,
don't do that if you're Jewish, stay Jewish. Uh, he
should not get if someone is uncircumcised, if you're a
Gentile and become a follower of Jesus, don't get circumcised.
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You don't have to become Jewish to become a follower.
So when he says he should not get circumcised, he's
talking about Gentiles. Same thing in Galatians. What was the
problem in Galatians? They were telling Gentiles they had to
be circumcised in order to become followers of Jesus. It
was addressing Gentiles. He says in the Messiah, Jesus, neither
circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything. In other words, if you're
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a Gentile, you don't have to be circumcised to come
to faith. That's the point of that. And so. why
is it that Paul Circumcises Timothy? Is because Timothy's mother
is Jewish. He considers Timothy fully Jewish. The outward sign
of the Abrahamic Covenant. Not for salvation, but for the
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the God's faithfulness to Israel was through circumcision. And so
Paul did that as a mark of the Abrahamic covenant,
just as you would with any Jewish child. Uh, just
as Paul was circumcised on the eighth day. So that's
why he circumcised Timothy. He wouldn't have circumcised Titus. In fact,
he says he didn't. The reason he didn't was because
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Titus was a Gentile and there was a principle involved.
Don't want anyone to think that a person has to
be circumcised on the eighth day, or ritually, in order
to be saved. That's why it was for the outward
sign of the Abrahamic Covenant. How did they know? I
think people would ask, uh, are you are you are
you circumcised? Yeah. You know.
S7 (34:07):
Because they would know that he's Jewish.
S1 (34:10):
Yeah.
S7 (34:10):
Okay.
S1 (34:11):
Yeah. That's it. Okay. And they would also know that
his father wasn't Jewish. People would. And. And so they ask,
I don't think that they have an inspection.
S7 (34:20):
Okay.
S1 (34:21):
You know, I've been asked. Believe it or not, when, uh,
when I've met people, uh, in very observant Jews and
they find out I'm a messianic Jew, they'll say, well,
were you circumcised? Of course. Eighth day, you know.
S7 (34:37):
Okay.
S1 (34:38):
So no one ever would do anything other than that.
S7 (34:41):
Okay. And it wouldn't matter that that his father was
Greek because his mother was Jewish.
S6 (34:48):
Yeah.
S1 (34:49):
Either in the Bible, either parent being Jewish makes the
child Jewish.
S7 (34:54):
Okay. All right. And therefore, as a witness to the
Jewish people in those places where he was going to go,
this was also a witness to them.
S1 (35:04):
I would go even further. Not just a witness. Yeah.
But also because God commanded Jews to circumcise on the
eighth day. He missed it because obviously his father had
objected to it. So, uh, but as an obedience to Abraham,
the outward sign of the Abrahamic covenant.
S7 (35:20):
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. You want
to do one more?
S6 (35:25):
Yeah.
S1 (35:25):
Let's do it real quick.
S7 (35:26):
Okay. Anita in Indiana listens to WGN and says, first
John 516, which says if anyone sees his brother committing
a sin that does not bring death, he should ask
as in prayer, and God will give life to him.
To those who commit sin that doesn't bring death. There
is sin that brings death. I am not saying he
should pray about that. So Anita wants to know, is
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this saying not to pray for someone who has rejected
God in faith? How do we know that that person
won't repent and that we shouldn't pray for them?
S1 (35:58):
Yeah, this is not talking about whether a person, uh,
sealed their fate or if they're saved or anything like that.
This is talking about believers. And what it's saying is
that there are people, there are certain sins that mentions
it in first Corinthians 11, that there are some people
taking the Lord's Supper unworthily, and they were sick. Some
have even gone to sleep or died. Euphemism for death. Mhm.
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That there's a sin that can lead to death. Uh,
that there are certain sins, whether it's abusing, taking the
Lord's Supper, uh, inappropriately. Uh, there are certain sins. I'm
not sure what they all are, but we know that
there are certain sins that are more significant and that they,
the Lord, will take someone home. Um, and he said, here, uh,
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in this verse, if a person is involved in sin,
this believer, and it's not one of those sins that
they're not sick yet, they're they're not on the verge
of death, but pray for them that they would repent.
On the other hand, there may be a person who
is involved in a sin that brings death, and they're
already sick. They're on the point of death. Uh, it
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is clear that God has disciplined them. I'm not saying
he should pray about that, because the only thing that
can help this person is James five. I believe if
they call for the elders to pray, and that person
not only will be raised up from their deathbed, but
also their sins will be forgiven. So that person has
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to repent. This is just talking about temporal sin. Okay.
So temporal judgment for sin.
S7 (37:31):
Okay. All right. Thank you.
S1 (37:32):
Yeah. And sometimes it's God's mercy that he takes us
home rather than let us go on in our rebellious ways. Yeah,
it's hard for us to imagine that, but that's what
it is. We're going to. We're going to take a
break here. Tricia, thank you so much for putting the
mailbag together.
S7 (37:47):
You're welcome.
S1 (37:48):
I, I just I find it amazing how many you
get through and grateful for all of you who write
to Openlibrary.org by going to ask Michael a question. Really
appreciate that. That was Tricia McMillan asking the questions. I'm
Michael Ray. I'll be right back with more of your
questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. In
just a moment. Welcome back to Open Line. There's so
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listening on CRF. Welcome to Open Line. Jim. How can
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I help you today?
S8 (40:30):
Oh, thank you, doctor Ray. Um, it says in Luke
1040 to 42, but Martha was distracted in much serving,
and she approached him and said, Lord, do you not
care that my sister has helped me to serve alone?
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Therefore tell her to help me. And Jesus answered and
said to her, Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled
about many things, but one thing is needed, and Mary
has chosen that good part which will not be taken
away from her. I just wanted to make sure that
wasn't like, um, the Lord diminishing service of um, to him,
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except just the fact that she was worried and distressed.
S1 (41:19):
Well, I think this has to do with priorities that
so often, uh, what we do in our lives is
we get very busy with work and responsibilities and family
duties and so many things that we need to do.
It may be even making sure that everything is done
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on the house or in the garage is cleaned out
and all these different things that we prioritize that because
we want to run our households well and we neglect
that which is most important, which is spending time with
the Lord Jesus. It's not saying.
S8 (41:59):
That.
S1 (42:00):
Wait wait, wait, Jim, it's not saying that service is wrong.
It's not even saying that we shouldn't do those things.
It's just saying that what Mary has done is prioritize
her time with the Lord. And that's all it's saying. Uh,
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and what? Martha, Martha was kind of consumed with her tasks,
and as a result, uh, she wanted help. But sometimes,
you know, I often tell moms it's okay not to
sweep the floor every minute. Uh, if it means that
you're not going to have time with the Lord Jesus,
I tell guys, you don't have to make sure the
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garage looks perfect. What you have to do is make
sure that every day that we, we, uh, spend time
with the Lord and give that some priority. Does that help, Jim?
S8 (42:54):
Yeah, yeah. That did, um, I heard a sermon one time,
and they were saying how Martha was really, uh, good.
And they went on to say, you know, her service
to the Lord was was right, but they didn't balance
it with what Jesus said about Mary, which is really
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the point.
S1 (43:17):
Of, well, this is really about priorities, Jim. That's that's
what it is. And our first priority every day is
to spend some time at the feet of our Lord.
That's what we need to be doing. So hey, thanks
for your call. I really appreciate it. Jim. We're going
to talk to Ron in Elmwood Park, Illinois, listening on W-m-b-d.
Welcome to Open Line, Ron. Good morning.
S9 (43:39):
How are you?
S1 (43:40):
Good. How are you?
S9 (43:41):
I'm well, thank you. I have a very mundane question.
I believe in Joshua, uh, and specifically Joshua ten. They
speak about the sun standing still and near the end
of the, um, that chapter, I think it says that
the Israelites were invading Gibeah. And while they were doing this,
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the stunts played out for a day and a half
over Gibeah. Now, some thinks that thoughts were that, well,
maybe Israel needed more time. So that's why the sun
stood still. But in the Bible we're reading and in
the footnotes try to explain that if people had a
couple thoughts that no, God made the world stand still
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and or he had, um, reflective devices which reflected the
sun for this day and a half. Any comments or thoughts?
S1 (44:40):
Well, first of all, it says on the day the
Lord gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke
to the Lord in the presence of Israel. Sun, stand
still over Gibeon and moon over the valley of Ayalon.
Ayalon and the sun stood still, and the moon stopped
until the nation took vengeance on its enemies. Isn't this
written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stopped
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in the middle of the sky and delayed its setting
almost a full day. There is been no day like
it before, since when the Lord listened to the voice
of a man, because the Lord, the Lord fought for Israel.
Here's that's those are the verses you're talking about. I
think the simplest way is say, this is a miracle
that I can't explain. Uh, if the sun and moon,
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if the if the day really stopped that it didn't
proceed as it should have. You know, the sun we
revolve around the sun. The sun doesn't revolve around us.
But it looked like the sun stopped. I don't know
how that happens, because that that has to do with
the regulation of time and the world. I don't know
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how we would have stopped or the sun would have
stopped and I can't understand it. There are people who
propose scientific explanations, but frankly, I, you know, I just
live with it, that it was a miracle. God understands
how it worked. I don't need to, and I'm okay
with that. So I hope you are too. That's. That's
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how I live with it. Uh, Ronald, thanks for your call. Uh,
thanks for listening, everyone. That's the program for the week.
I can't believe that's two hours of of my life
I think of every week. Is being here with you?
Thanks to the Open Line team, uh, for being here
with us for all that you do. I really appreciate it.
And remember, keep in touch with Open Line during the
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week by going to our website, Open Line radio.org. It's
got all the links that you're looking for. It'll be
right there. Keep reading the Bible. We'll talk about it
next week. Open line with Doctor Michael Ray is a
production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.
See you next week.
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