Opening Kickoff 9-24-25 Back in Black

On this sho: Dave Steinwedel, Payton Girod, David Miles, and Kevin Pearce are back to discuss:

Who should win the AL MVP (1:13-4:00)
Bunch of College football news including Mike Gundy, Clemson, Oregon/Penn State, Ole Miss, and much more. (4:31-26:30)

A break down of the Lions-Ravens, Bengals woes, Buccaneers, Eagles, and so much more. (26:31-END)

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hello and welcome to this week's edition of the Opening
Kickoff Podcast. We are back uh missing last week. Very
uh sad to be missing that life happens you know,
sometimes you can't plan on things and tragedies and all
that stuff, and full disclosure, we were well within two

(01:36):
hours of getting ready to tape when I had to,
uh had to bail because life happens.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it happens in the many times
I had to text you guys last minute about something
that's happened to man. I just gotta keep going, gotta
keep going with it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
But you know what, We're back a little sadder, but
we're back. I mean, just Dave, some little Peyton is
here with me. Peyton, how are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Looking good in those AFC North stands. It's all I'm saying.
We're looking all right. We're hanging in there by a threat,
but we're looking good.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
A lot of NFL to get to three weeks into
the season, and some shocking things. Russell Wilson has already
been pinched, the Raven defense looking abysmal last night against
the Lions. Uh, kicking was horrendous in the NFL this week,
and Joe Burrow we didn't get to talk about the
Joe Burrow injury, and the Bengals go out and get embarrassed.

(02:32):
We'll talk about all of that a lot to get
to in college football as well. Kevin Pierce, our guy
KP will be joining us here in a couple of minutes,
but David Miles is here with us in the meantime. David,
great to see you, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm happy to be here. It's a great time to
be a Philadelphia fan. In most part, Phillies are doing well.
Eagles are doing well, even though they they had us
in the first hand. But you know, we're all doing
well over here. And I'm ready talking sports for a weekend.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's right.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
We're in the last week of the Major League Baseball season.
The NBA preseason gets started soon, NHL's preseason already underway,
but Baseball in the final week, and the biggest question
whether Aaron Judge or Cal Raley will be the al MVP. Well,
the Tigers hold on after they had a fourteen and
a half game lead, and they play a three game

(03:22):
series with the Guardians. But I'm gonna ask you this question.
If you're picking the al MVP between Aaron Judge and
Cal Rawley, David, who would you take.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'll pick based off the fact of Aaron Aaron.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's how you know.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I'm used to not talking. I'm not used to talking baseball.
Aaron Judge. This is kind of a standard that he had,
he lives up to. No, this is his norm. I think.
I think you have to look at you know, where
their teams are in ales. I don't. I'm also over
the whole Aaron Judge hype. I'm not going to say
I'm an Aaron Judge hater, but you know, give somebody,

(04:00):
give it to someone who's not usually here, you know,
give it to someone who stands out.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Also, Aaron Judge, you're like six seven, you should be
demolishing baseball. Very fair.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I also think what cal Riley is doing is I
mean it's sick. I mean the fact that there are
I mean it would probably be hard for him to
break the records now, but I mean just as close
as he's gotten is insane. I mean he'll probably have
to get tested and that's sick, solid Like that's the
coolest thing. If you're like, we gotta test you every day,

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and they'd be like, bring it on, I'm fine, I'm
fucking clean. Yeah, I don't know. I'd give it to
cal Riley Raley. I always want to say, Riley, I
don't know. Why. I don't know why. It's literally Raleigh.
I think it's like, I'm never heard anybody with that
last name before. It's just like, that's such such a
weird last name. Yeah, just change it. Just change it

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to Riley. You're like in Seattle, you get like, I.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Don't know, I am absolute with you. It should be
cal Ray because it is unprecedented to see a catcher,
one of the hard the hardest position literally in baseball. Yeah,
to go out and do what he's doing. I know
the average isn't pretty, but the guy hits home runs.

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The guy drives guys in that at the end of
the day is what matters. And to David's point, He's right,
Aaron Judge has done this. This is not like, Wow,
Aaron Judges come out of nowhere to do this. This
is Judge's standard. But cal Raley just set the record
for catchers home runs in a season. He's gonna pass

(05:38):
potentially Mickey Mantle's regular season home run record. Like he's
got a chance to get close to Aaron Judge's record, Like,
unprecedented to do it at that position. Be a switch hitter,
that's the other thing. This guy's doing it from both
sides of the plate very weird.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't imagine being that coordinated at anything. Like I
would fall over at some point. I would get like confused.
I would be like, wait, all right, so how do
I do this again? All right? Okay? Yeah, Like like
it would just be like the guys that are like
ambidextras like that, Like with anything, it's weird. I mean,
I think guys that are like right handed to that

(06:16):
play golf lefty is fucking weird. That doesn't make sense
to me at all.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But you know, whatever, it requires you to swing a
club or or a bet, it never feels natural to
me because I have not done that the majority of
my life. No, so like to me, swinging a bet
as a righty, it doesn't feel natural all the way,
or even swinging a golf club. But also I'm just

(06:40):
a naturally tight muscle person. I don't have loose flex
of mobility.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
So yeah, you gotta get that. You gotta be flexible
to be all that. It's actually surprising how like flexible
those dudes are. You know, you're just swinging a stick,
and you're like you got to be like able to
like turn your shoulders like almost more than ninety degrees.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, all right, Well we'll have a little baseball discussion
next week with the postseason getting underway. But a lot
to get to because we've missed two weeks on this
show in the college football in the NFL world, and
we're talking about this pre show before we got on
the John Matti injury to an Oklahoma team that has

(07:22):
kind of surprised everybody here at three and oh they
beat Auburn.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
This guy's grind KP has joined the podcast and he's
got his full on setup in his car. He is
mobile with it.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
And he is still more.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Absolutely, I was gonna wait for the official introduction, but hello, fellas,
I didn't know we were gonna y'all already recording. I
was gonna explain why I was currently in my vehicle.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
But this is amazing, man.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, listen, man, this sports media grind has been a lot,
a lot of which I can't talk about publicly at
the moment. Yeah, but literally, my at a meeting go
until seven, I'm running out, and because I didn't want
to wait the twenty minute drive to go home by then,
who knows how deep y'all would have been. I was like,
you know, what, Kevin. Let's be smart. Let's take your

(08:19):
recording stuff into the car. You have mobile Wi Fi.
You'll be fine. So if at any point I sound
like I'm talking through a calculator, it's because the hot
spot on my phone and I'm messing up. But yes,
we're here. We're podcasting. Hello everybody, how are we doing?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
This is amazing, This is podcasting. This is what it
looks like right here.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
You can't any Dave when it rains over there in Westminster.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh my god, Yeah that's you think. I'm literally doing
the show from a middle the middle of the monsoon. Yeah,
all right. We were just talking KP about Oklahoma three
to oh. But now the news today, John Matteer's injury,
Peyton Putty huge bet down on John will I.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Did not say huge. I did not say it was
twenty five bucks. I mean, come on, it was not huge,
but it was a lot. He was a long shot guy,
and I felt like a genius. I felt like I
prophesized this. And now this is happening at the worst time,
right before Red River Rivalry, which would be another great
signature win to get tough, tough, tough, tough.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
So what you're saying, is you jinx him and you're
the reason he's hurt in Oklahoma fans, should you hate mail?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think so, yeah, yeah, I think it's good. It's
a good point. I also, I mean, this is me.
I was saying this right before the show. He I
saw the injury. Pete Famill tweeted it out like it
was in the first quarter, and he looked fine the
rest of the game. So I'm kind of like just
fucking tough it out for me, you know, I'm kind
of being selfish here. But but if it's only gonna

(09:50):
be a month, Uh, they got they got depth. I
guess their defense is solid. I'll say that the refs
definitely helped him out. I saw the uh, the uh,
you know, the substitution thing kind of happened, and apparently
that was a big thing that SEC officiating was gonna
crack down on. But SEC officiating has been terrible for years,

(10:10):
so not surprised they missed that. But uh, if I
was Hugh Freeze, that would be mad. But you know,
I don't really care for Hugh Freeze too much, so
not gonna like shed too many tears about it.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I would say that for the next couple of weeks.
It is kind of a bad sign. Yeah, just just
looking at the next four games, I mean, you bought
you had kn't stay. That's a real challenge right there.
And then you got Texas, South Carolina and Old Miss.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
You picked a great time to sit out, buddy, but medical,
medical reasons happened. I think that Oklahoma is not gonna
make the playoffs because I don't think they're gonna survive
these those two, the two losses, at least the Texas
in South Carolina, you know that Old Miss game. I
think by that point, people are gonna know where they're
gonna not gonna land. Here him coming back in, you know,

(11:02):
I hope he can make a difference in you know,
better the season as much as you can. But I
don't see them getting out of Texas and they're in
their home so which even then, still that's what we
don't want to miss. I'm not beating myself up for forgetting,
but you're not getting out of that and you're not

(11:23):
getting I don't see them getting passed off Carolina because
I think South Caroline is a team that has some questions,
but I think that those questions aren't as loud as
them as Oklahoma losing their starting quarterback. But Oklahoma does
have a solid defense. I watched them when they play Temple,
and for the first half, I couldn't tell Temple was
just that good or they're playing with them. Turns out no,

(11:46):
they're just playing with them. In the second half, you
see what this team does.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
They're just trying out two point plays at one point,
like for no reason, They're like, we're gonna be the point.
I respect that. I get real life practice, got to get.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
The first quarter. In the first quarter, no.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I do too.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
That was well, would you rather be that? Or when
they're up forty two to seventh, that wouldn't be good.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean forty two and seven at that point, I'd
imagine got their second team in and now you're playing
the whole we're just trying things out to see even works. Yeah,
that that's sort of my life. Like the first quarter, Oh,
you just want to be a dicade and at that point,
now now I got to see what the fifties. But yeah,
second half, you're doing that. You're up by thirty forty.
Oh he's just trying to shoot up. Yeah, you're still
gonna be an ansle, you're not going to be as much.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I see it. I see it for both sides. Yeah,
it's a really bummer for Oklahoma because I think like
this is this has been the first year where I
know Venables two years ago went ten to two, but
he kind of like lucked into that one like it
was that due.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Was loaded with Like he came into a loaded situation. Now, yeah,
if you're Venable, this is your team. Yeah, and he
wasn't great the last two years. The two years after that, yeah, exact.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
So like I think, like especially with sec play involved now,
like I don't know, I think they've been a very good,
pleasant surprise, but I'm not like super confident kind of
what David was saying, Like South Carolina is gonna be
a team. It's gonna suck. They're gonna lose more games
than I kind of thought they would. I just think
they're like defense isn't there. But like the North Sellers

(13:23):
is gonna get like he will get all the credit
for the successes throughout, like the plays and things of
the re markable things he does on the team, but
like I don't know, getting through that will be tough.
I mean, Ole Miss will be tough all that, so
maybe they can make it through. If they can make
it through with like one moss there, they still have
a chance, I think, maybe at the end of it,

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to make a run.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
But yeah, well I'm curious to see this Old Miss
team playing LSU this week because like I kept looking
at Ole Miss's schedule and I kept saying, Okay, well,
maybe Tulane gives them a game and then Old Miss
just goes and just blows them out of the water.
But I still look at this Old Miss team and
I say, I don't know if I buy their four

(14:10):
and oh, like I buy Oklahoma being unbeaten because you
beat Michigan, you beat Auburn, LSU, You've beat Florida. Now,
of course Florida. We all know about Florida and how
they're playing, But like I just haven't been wowed with
their schedule. I know they've they haven't really gotten into

(14:32):
the SEC play yet, so I'm interested to see what
happens out of it. But like, you played Georgia State,
you played Kentucky, you played Arkansas, and Arkansas gave you
a game for a little while, so.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
They had the backup. Though I will say that I
was gonna.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Say they had the injury a quarterback and he played
against Tulane and looked good. But what have you done
if you're Old Miss? Now, how you got a chance
to sort of prove, hey, this is what we can be.
Because after that, it's Georgia at Oklahoma, which, like we said,
we don't know what that Oklahoma team's gonna look like.

(15:11):
And then it's South Carolina, the Citadel, Florida and Mississippi State.
Like it doesn't get hard for Old Miss after that.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, you know, I feel like we have the same
conversation about Old Miss every single year. It's, oh my god,
look at them, the undefeated beating up on these East
Minnesota school little blind teams and lower ranked SEC teams,
and then they start SEC play and they look like
Old Miss again. Like we we have these conversations about

(15:40):
Lane Kiffin, Okay, Old Miss teams every single year, Like
I feel like it's all on repeat, and I expect
the same thing to happen again against LSU just this Saturday.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah it is it is at LSU. I mean it
is at Old Miss, which, by the way, I did
like Lane Kiffin's comment to the SEC COMMISSIONI he's like
if we're at LSU, this is a night game. When
you're at Ole Miss, we get a middle of the
day game. Doesn't seem fair, which which is funny because
like Death Valley always gets like it does numbers no

(16:11):
matter how LSU is, Death Valley at Knight gonna do numbers.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You gotta do.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Put it out, put it out there. We gotta make
some money. But yeah, I don't know. I think I
think it's gonna be a good game. I think it's
gonna be pretty close. I to Also, we're gonna look
back at this. Was that Clemson win that good? We're
gonna look back at that for LLSC, was that that impressive?
You know the Florida game. They the Brian Kelly interview
after the guy the reporter did he started it and

(16:38):
Brian Kelly fell for the bait. But like you know,
they didn't play great in that game either. So I'm
interested to see both these sides. Really. I mean, it's
gonna be a big pivotal moment in like both their seasons.
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Fun Check, I just looked up because you were you
brought up a good point about you know, if it's
at LSU, it's the night game. I looked up the
last nationally televised game at Old Mits and guess when
it was, Oh.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
It's got to be it's gotta be like it's oh.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Are October fourth, nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
No, No, you know what, blank, Kevin got a gride,
he's got he's got something to stand on here, he
got a.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
It was Old Miss It was Old Missing Alabama. It
was aired on ABC. Yeah, Shah, Alabama won in a
thrilling contest thirty three thirty two.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Wow, they just stopped playing segregation ball at that point.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah. I can't even believe.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I can't even believe ABC is the one that televised it.
Thought it would be like a fake network that's not
even around anymore. Jesus, I can't I believe it was televised. Actually,
now you say that, that's right now?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, Ship, Well you brought up Clemson. I want to
talk about Clemson because Clemson died.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Clemson Donson died. Cleanson bad. Yeah, Clemson bad. Also, it
hurts because Dabo did his press conference right before that
and he was like, y'all, y'all don't y'all don't like winning.
And I was like, I mean, y'all, y'all ate Winnen,
So what's happening? You know what I mean? Like he cried,

(18:22):
I mean, I don't know if people saw it. He
he put his head down, he wiped a tear away.
He was devastated after that because I think fran Brown
was on the Clemson staff. Am I correct in saying
that before he took that job or was he at Georgia?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I believe that Georgia.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
You can look it up. But I mean, anyways, I
mean the fact that Syracuse quarterback, also their starting quarterback,
went down with the achilles, and then they did that
bad luck, bad look, bad offense, bad defense. And the
thing is they have guys that are gonna go to
the NFL, like regardless of this just fascinating.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
But it's fair to ask this question that clearly Clemson
can't play intoday's college football market. Yeah, Dabo doesn't believe
in the transfer portal.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
This was the biggest year he did. I think he
got five guys.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
But yeah, he but.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Dave, But Dave, Clemson's program is built in Jesus's name,
image and likeness. I thought that was gonna guide them
to another nacental championship, Like Dablo said.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, well the school, the school that the school that
literally puts all the broadcasters out there just whooped their
ass in Death Valley, Like it's not working. You can't
try to be old school in this day and age
of college football. It doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I got staff for you, Dave. The top these are
the top seven teams in the transfer portal this year
or like going into this year, l SC, Texas Tech, Miami, Ole,
miss Oregon, Florida State, Missouri all their combined record all
seven of those teams is twenty seven. No.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Exactly. To win in this era of college football, you
have to be willing to spend, to bring the prospects
and the recruits, and if you're not willing to spend,
you are not gonna win. And that Dabo's gonna die
on this hill and he's gonna kill Clemson. I mean, look,
Florida State in his own conference went out and was

(20:29):
more aggressive, and look, Florida State has turned it around.
Miami goes out against Carson Beck and Miami's one of
the best teams in the country. And I don't think
there's anyone here that would.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Disput They're violent. I like it. They're just they're killers.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I mean, without those two schools, there's nobody in the
acc carrying it.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
M h.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
What's the name of the Miami ed rusher who's probably
gonna end up being the number one overall pick in
the draft? If I can everybuddy's name. But he's a
monster and I love I enjoy watching him play football
very much. I can't remember remember his name at the moment,
but everyone on this call knows exactly who I'm talking about.
And he plays immaculine football and the fact that he's

(21:17):
a transfer portal guy as well, and that kind of
speaks to Day's point if you're not willing to go
out and get you some guys. And some of that's
probably on the boosters at Clemson as well, because they're
probably looking at him and saying, all, I, Dabbo, you
keep saying you don't need us to dig in our pockets.
You better come back with some wins.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
And he can't.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I want to follow up on that fran Brown point
we were talking about earlier. He was from Georgia, not
the guy from Syracuse. He actually has a quite extensive
history coaching history. He coached a temple UH he left
with when was it Arch Bowls? I think yeah, Arch

(22:01):
Miles left Temple to come to go over to Baylor.
He then spend a year. Bayley, went back to Temple,
went to Rutgers for two years, and then went to
Georgia and is now it's.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
There we go by the way. Let's talk about the
big news out Oklahoma State lose to Tulsa and you'll
lose your job.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Apparently I could see that coming a mile away. I
said that like on the weekend. I was like, he's
gonna get fired. I mean, he you know what I mean,
like Mike Gundy obviously, like you know, it's amazing he's
had a job. From the standpoint of all the DUIs
and outlandish things he said to this point, but he was,
to his credit, he was a character of college football.

(22:44):
He I mean, I literally watched like a seven minute
video of all his like interview montages, and they're just hilarious.
I Mean, the shit he would say is insane. I'm forty,
I'm a man is still my favorite. It'll go down
as like one of the greatest things I've ever heard
of guy say. After the thing, but like that guy's
gotten I think three DUIs since he's been there. I

(23:05):
mean they ever since they lost that Big twelve championship
to Baylor at the last second, they've just gone downhill,
like they just stay are bad. They are not recruiting well,
they don't win their state. Especially when Oklahoma switched to SEC.
It's like, oh, I can go to Oklahoma and play
the SEC. Absolutely, I'm gonna do that. Way more people

(23:26):
looking at me, way more people respect me if we
do well. Like he just hasn't nailed it. And he
also has been like notorious for keeping quarterbacks that are
like fifth and sixth and seventh to year guys, and
it's just been terrible, like just so bad. I mean,
they're just disgusting, Like so it was due. I mean,

(23:46):
he played there, he's from there. Like I guess it's
tough to part ways for them, but so needed, so
needed for them, and there's so many other guys that
can do a better job today's football in college for them.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
My favorite about this story is you listed some of
the things Mike Gundy's been through in his what was
it twenty one years he's been in Oklahoma State. The
fact that losing to Tulsa was the final straw.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, hilarious, Hilo, they got domit dominated.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Oh yeah, they got the belt to ask for sure.
But at the same time, like the fact that that
was the final straw. They're like ay Man de Wise
and all the type of other arrests and some hilarious
mugshots and an egregious haircut. Okay, we'll let that go. Yeah,
we draw the line at Tulsa. You gotta go, you
gotta leave.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, you can't. You can't lose like you losing like
sixty to like three against Oregon. We could deal with that. Tulsa,
not a chance, no way. It's bad, very bad. Speaking
of sixty something to nothing, Indiana, that was a fucking
ass kicking. I don't know if anyone watched it. I mean,

(24:56):
for Illinois to be number nine in the country, which
is crazy. They got up to that high. And I
think in the Illinois or Illinois will be uh, they'll
be okay down the stretch, but they're not gonna compete
for the Big Ten championship, I don't think. But man, Indiana,
they just laid it on them. I mean, the quarterback
was twenty one to twenty three for five touchdowns. His

(25:17):
quarterback rating was two to oh six. That's disgusting. I
didn't even know you could get that high of a rating.
I think they might have had to be like, we
have to redo this. The scale is wrong. This is
we got to create a whole new scale. So like, yeah,
it was impressive, very impressive.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, not to mention that Illinois has a good defense. Yeah,
this wasn't a bad defense. In Indiana shredded Ela Mavol.
They crushed a very good defense. And honestly, you know what,
there's a part of me that's very happy for Kurtzinetti
and Indiana because you know, it got so tiresome there

(25:54):
last year and even in the beginning of this year
about Indiana. Well, they didn't play anybody that didn't play
and Illinois may prove to be a five hundred team,
but that was a statement to say, hey, we are
a good team, we are a good program. We have
built this into something that's gonna be sustainable. And to
go out and on a big stage in prime time,

(26:17):
go out and just handle a team that everybody thought
was gonna be the Indiana of this year. Very impressive.
Indiana deserved this win for the statement that they have
been able to make I do want to ask this
question because you mentioned Oregon they got a big game
with Penn State. I'm not gonna ask you to pick
the winner. I'm gonna ask you, though, KP. I'll start

(26:38):
with you who needs the game more?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
It's always Penn State because how often is James Franklin
gonna keep losing to these quality opponents? Like how how
long is he gonna keep losing some better competition or
equal to competition before we got a looking and be
like a gang like you gotta you gotta figure something
out with all this NFL talent you keep turning out
to keep losing to the other NFL factories. At some

(27:04):
point it's you, m so he got he gotta pull
this one out.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Man.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I don't know if he will, but he gotta pull
this one out.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, I mean, I mean safe schedule moving forward. You
have between Oregon, Ohio State, and I'll even go in Indiana. Yeah,
you those are the three people keeping you out of
the playoffs. But if you're being honest, State always drops
one game because somebody, somebody, they have no business dropping
a game.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Usually either I will produce or or Wisconsin. One of
the three, and so let.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Me tell you, Wisconsin is the worst team I've ever
seen the big ten. Maryland throttled them. They were a
ten point favorite.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Throttle.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I can't believe Luke Fickle. I didn't get that announcement
that he was fired today.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I was shocked.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It was suned. I mean, they got embarrassed. But yeah,
Penn State needs to win, I mean so bad. And like,
I mean, they made it. They finally they finally made
it a like a white out game. They've they've they've
been doing white out games the last two years. That
were chumps. No offense in Illinois, but they were. They
were the chump last year. I think I was the

(28:17):
one before. Like, those are not what you want to
use the white out game for. This is what you
want to try to do it for. Like respect, I respect, yeah, absolutely,
But I'm just saying is like, if you're gonna use
the crowd to your advantage, you should use it against
one of the hardest ones at home, and Oregon is

(28:38):
probably the hardest one. They're gonna face it home. And
I'm sure Big New Kickoff already stole the Indiana one.
It's those guys, they just steal the dumbest games, like
I can't even imagine Utah and Texas Tech kicked off
ten am local time. I couldn't imagine playing a fucking
football game at ten am, ever, unless I was like
in like fourth grade, like that's I used to play

(29:00):
those games like I'm gonna get ready, Yeah, like disgusting.
So yeah, seriously, but like, uh no, I think Penn
State really needs it, and I will say Oregon has
looked very good. Dante Moore, I think has. I mean,
it's it's almost like Dan Lanning and his staff there

(29:22):
turning into the Kevin O'Connell's like of the college, like
we're gonna refix these quarterbacks from the Bonixes. Dylan Gabriel's
like we're gonna make you guys studs, you know what
I mean. So, I don't know, it's impressive what they've done.
It'll be a good game. I think it will be good.
Penn State hasn't looked great, though, I will say that
I have not impressed me as much. If anybody else

(29:44):
has a different opinion on that, they've played nobody too.
But I don't know that's.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Where I did net where I think that you're confusing
the fact of they have not had a true test
where they had to turn it onto the into the
second half, kind of like I would talking out with
Oklahoma Temple. It's not a matter of this is your
first actual tense if you want to, you're really this
is your first actual game, and so you know you're
really gonna see who they are versus Oregon. Who is

(30:12):
They had that thing going, they had, they have it ready,
So uh, it's gonna be a great game. It's gonna
be a great day. But if you're asking who does
who needs it more, it's always going to be Penn State.
No matter who it is, Oregon's the rest of their
schedule they can easily win out. That's how good Oregon
always is. Penn State's the one that usually is dropping

(30:33):
one and fighting for a playing spot. But we'll see
how it goes.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Good week, I.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Will I will contend. I will contend it's Oregon because
of their schedule, because they don't play another tough team
outside of Indiana, where Penn State you have two more
opportunities with Ohio State, with Indiana left on your schedule
after this. For Oregon, they go, they get Indiana at home,
and that's their last rank opponent. Outside of that, they're

(31:01):
playing Minnesota Wisconsin like they're not playing cream of the
crop in the Big ten. They don't even get USC
and they don't get Illinois.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
So huh, well, that's not what I it's.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Not what right now. The remains of the right now
is Penn State, Indiana, Rutgers, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, USC and Washington.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
But by then do we think USC is ranked? And
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean USC. I'm gonna give USC flywers. I think
they look a lot better than I thought they would
right at this to this point, let's transitions. Would you
say KB.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
For the bar for USC is in hell?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Man?

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Like ever since they got to a Big ten, I
haven't been this backing much.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, very fair.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Let's transition to the NFL lot to get to Let's
start with probably the most shocking game of the weekend,
Minnesota's beat down of Cincinnati, and really starting with the Bengals.
We didn't get a chance to talk about it last week.
The Joe Burrow injury, and if you're Cincinnati, can you

(32:27):
survive with this current team and be competitive and win
enough games to maybe be the seventh seed in the AFC.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
M No, Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean,
I don't think. I don't know. The thing is, I
don't know if Joe Burrow were there, if they would
survive it, like they were not, like he was getting killed.
I mean they're I know they went up against Miles Garrett.
I know they who they played Week two? Cleveland or

(33:04):
they played Week one? Sorry week one? Uh No, Week
one was Cleveland? Week two is Jacksonville. Okay, Well they
got some good ad dressers, I guess, But like I
don't know. I I think ultimately like the gauntlet of
going through the AFC North, going against some other tough matchups,
like I don't know if they're this team was built
for that. They spent all that It was very funny,

(33:26):
like they spent all that money and then Jamar Chase fumbles,
T Higgins dropped the touchdown like it's just it always
happens when you do that, and like that, the spotlight's
gonna be even bigger because that happened. Like we were
gonna like hound on that. But I mean, I wouldn't
say like it was shocking. The Vikings would have beat
the Bengals. It was just like obviously the things that
happened and how bad it was was it got out there.

(33:49):
But Isaiah Rodgers, I mean, hats off, maybe the greatest
defensive half I've ever seen the guy play. I mean, Jesus,
the guy was a ballhawk. I mean he punched the
ball out. I've also, I think I said this a
couple of weeks ago, I've never seen so many punch
outs in in football from college to the NFL than I
have to the start. It's insane. Just so many people

(34:10):
getting the ball out. It's impressive. It's awesome to see
peanut punch at full tilt right now. So yeah, I
don't I don't know. I don't know if they can
make it. I don't know if they can survive.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
About about Rogers, he actually posted the he was the
first person to have it picked six and a fumble
recovery for a touchdown. And he also posted like the
highest grade ever in UH in defense And I believe it,
And so, you know, shout out to him. I'm happy
for his success, him being a former Eagle. But at

(34:45):
the end of the day, I think that it was
more of like you said, they it wasn't a matter
of are they gonna win? It was it was more
of just like, damn, you lost like that much.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
You got nothing right, not a thing I did see.
I want to I'm gonna pull it up, but I
think I saw go ahead, go ahead, KP. I want
to pull something up while you talk.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Okay, So let's not overreact to the Bengals losing just yet,
because there was zero universe where a backup quarterback was
going to beat the Brian Floores defense. And it looked
exactly the way you thought it was gonna look after
that game. And I'm not sure if Joe Burrow would
have played that game, it would have looked much different.
I'm gonna be honest. Brian Floores will blitch you. He'll

(35:30):
blitch your mama, he'll blitch your daughter, he'll blitch your
sister like Brian Flores loves to blitz everyone in your
general vicinity. And if you don't have an offensive line
that's built for Cuban links, then you're gonna go out sad.
And the Bengals what we all know is their offensive
line is tublin of paper mache set on fire. Yeah,

(35:51):
so what were so what were we really expecting against
the Vikings of all teams that they went as I'm
surprised Dave said this was the most shocking result of
the weekend, when the most shocking result that I saw
of the NFL weekend was one Baltimore Ravens the Lions

(36:13):
of Detroit. When Ravens offensive line let up, I think
it was thirty pressures or something like that, seven sacks,
and somehow the defense was worse. I don't know how
that wasn't the most shocking performance day, Dave, If you will, sir, we.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Get what about sorry?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Way before we transition, I wanted to bring up one
more thing about the Bengals. I saw this on Twitter
today and I didn't think it was real. Chase Brown
right now has forty seven carries for ninety three yards.
Think about that, Like that is so bad. He is

(36:56):
tied for tenth in most carries and he is tied
for or he's forty fifth in yards. Forty fifth. Yeah,
think about that. So that's bad. Yeah, So like the
other line is bad for both ways passing in running
the ball, they fucking and I've watched the Steelers and
they can't run the ball. These guys actually can't run

(37:16):
the ball. They might as well, take a knee and
they would do better. So yeah, the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
The Bengals hold all my thought real fast on this
before Yeah, we talk about the Raven game. Is this
is the poor roster construction. And the other team that
I will throw right under that bus with it is
the Dallas Cowboys. Oh yeah, because you have two teams
that are run by owners that want to have sayson

(37:42):
things and look at the roster that's built. The rosters
are not built to win. Cincinnati's back end is not great.
They have wide receivers were running all over to goddamn
place against them. You have an offensive line that couldn't
protect worth a damn You can't run the ball because
of it. This is gonna sound kind of oddly familiar

(38:03):
to what I'm about to say with the Raven defense.
But the difference is I trust the coaching staff of
the Ravens to eventually make some changes to at least
get it to a passable defense. I don't trust anyone
on that coaching staff in Cincinnati to be able to
do that. If Lou Amarillo was still there as the DC,
I would say, Okay, there's a chance that Cincinnati can

(38:25):
right it and be competitive. But that's not gonna happen.
That's just not gonna happen because you went and spent
money in the wrong places and it's finally caught up
with you. It's got your quarterback hurt again. You have
no run game because you traded Joe Mixon because you
thought Chase Brown, who's a nice back, could do it.
But guess what, it don't matter who's back there. Hell,

(38:48):
you could put Eric Dickerson back there with that offensive line.
He ain't getting through it. Like, it's not gonna matter.
Cincinnati's is bad. Now to the Ravens, let me address this.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I am not Oh my god, Sky's falling. This raven
team can't go win a super Bowl. There is too
much talent on that team to lose your mind over
the fact that they lost to the Lions. Their two
losses are two arguably two of the best teams in football.

(39:23):
Let's not like lose perspective. Now here's the thing. This
is what bothers me. And this comes from the coaching side.
You can't get out physical like the Ravens did. And
the defense. I'm gonna cut the defense some slack here
because you lose your best interior pass rusher, you lose
your best outside pass rusher, and Justin Mattabeeka and Kyle

(39:46):
van Noy, I don't think they've done a great job
drafting edge rushers. I think it showed in a game
last night. I didn't like the scheme. I don't like
the play calling from Zach Orr right now, but I
didn't like it at the beginning of li last year
when the defense was one of the worst in football,
and they turned it around and they had a bad start.
Here's another thing to keep in mind. They didn't play

(40:10):
in the preseason, and guess what they look like a
team that didn't play in the preseason. They looked slow,
they looked out physical, they didn't look as in condition,
and you had a team in Detroit that did play
their starters. They had more rhythm, they were more organized.
If if one part of the Ravens, and I was

(40:30):
saying this with a couple of people earlier, I'm more
concerned about the offensive line than I am about that defense.
You change some of the play calling, you change some
of the schemes. I think you can get to a
serviceable defense when you get healthy. I think you can
get back to that defense that played well at the
end of last year. I don't have any doubt about

(40:51):
that because there is the proven track record of talent there.
When you look at this Raven offense and particularly this
offensive line, this is where the problem is. This is
now three games where they've been out physical at the
point of attack, three games where you haven't really been
able to establish Derrick Henry, three games where Lamar Jackson's

(41:12):
had to be scrambling around making who Deni plays. And
I know Pro Football Focus and a lot of the
Raven fans have grabbed one of the numbers and said, well,
it's not nearly as bad. Watch if you watch it.
They didn't block, well, they got pushed and this isn't
like this isn't a monstrous defensive line Detroit has. It's

(41:35):
a good one, but not great. And they got pushed.
They got owned all night. You can't win if your
offensive line is getting owned like that. So defensively concerned, yes,
but I think you can fix that. I don't think
you can fix the problems with the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think you kind of you kind
of now, I mean I will I will give you
some grace because you had to play the bills and
the lines, but I won't be at the same time
of that, because you're gonna have to play those types
of teams in the playoffs, like you gotta You're gonna
have to be able to out physical d And I
know that's weeks and weeks and weeks away, but like
this is a good litmus test, like how physical are

(42:19):
we and things like that. You obviously just said they're
not physical at the point of attack. I mean I
watched Mark Andrews get blown off the ball trying to block,
like multiple times, and it was funny because that's where
last night was where he came out and started catching passes,
score two touchdowns. One was late, but still did was
getting open. So he had like retroly like one part

(42:41):
of his game was great when he was in the
like on the line of scrimmage bad like getting blown
off the field. Like I don't know if he's slow,
and maybe Likely will help with that, but like I
would always consider Mark Andrews the more blocker in that
situation because likely is way more athletic, I think, and
you probably won't well, and you.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Also didn't that power card. Yeah, but and that's a
that's a bit, but that's a big walls to a
power run game to not have a true full back.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Okay, let me ask you this, and I'm not gonna
buy into it yet. The Derrick Henry fumbles are concerning,
like very because I've never seen it, and he looks confused.
I mean, you saw the meltdown.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Theory.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Go ahead, I like theory.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
I have a theory.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Only person on this show that's gonna be able to
relate to this theory. But it's fine. I'm used to
being on the island. Okay, it's because he cut his locks.
M It's because he cut his locks and went to
the straight backs. Derrick Henry when he had locks never
fumbled like this. Never, it was never an issue. Until
he cut his locks. He lost his aura. He got

(43:48):
straight backs like he's Kawhi Leonard in the Year of
Our Lord twenty twenty five, and now he's out here
fumbling the game away for his team like this. Gentleman,
if whoever's listening to this, if you have locks right now,
until your hairline fails, you do not cut them off.
Don't do it. You're gonna end up like Derrick Henry.
You're gonna, yeah, Brian until keep your hair because it happens.

(44:12):
This is the thing. I'm telling you, this is my theory.
I have zero science to back this, but I know
gooda will I'm never cutting my locks after watching what
has happened to Derrick Henry because he's it's it's remarkable.
We went for watching a two thousand yard rushier and
some of the most reliable fourth quarter Derrick Henry dominating
in the fourth quarter was a thing. It was what

(44:35):
it was, and now he fumbling.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, that's honestly, I like that.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I like that thought process. That's fun. I'm gonna I'm
gonna I'm gonna let people know that's probably what it is.
I'm gonna cry at you. I'm gonna tell him to
go listen to you for more stuff like that. Damn,
I believe me.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Given Sunday. And I'm also not gonna sit here and
actuate the allions aren't good. But I think the call
to say that the said Derrick Henry is having a
Samson moment right now is hysterical and for those for
those of you who don't know who Samson is, asked
to be happy. Except but I think that it comes

(45:18):
to a point where there you have to look at
what is causing these issues and it's just something that
can stop before the bye week, because the bye week
is when you have to really evaluate yourself. I don't
think that the Ravens are really going to I think
this is what stops them from reaching the super Bowl,
but I don't think stopped them from winning their division.
I don't see the Steelers really making a push to

(45:41):
really be that deciding factor we just talked about. The
Bengals and the Browns will always be drowned. So I
don't think that there's I don't think there's any immediate
oh my god, this is going to kill us. But
I do think that's something where come third fourth quarter
of the first round playoff game or second round playoff game,
in your fumbling bro if you if we gotta give

(46:03):
you some fake some fake locks, I'm sure plenty of
Barbers and Baltimore wout do it and do it for
the love for the free promo. You have to figure
out what is going on, and Kev's theory is right
by god locks.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Before we get to Dave's thoughts on the lock theory,
outside of outside of the lock theory, which is obviously
me being tongue in cheek and Derek Henry fumbling. Dave,
weren't we having this exact same conversation about the Ravens
a year ago, about damn, what's wrong with the secondary?
Damn what's wrong with the offensive line? And that's why
all of us were so high on the Ravens coming

(46:38):
into this year, because damn it, we thought they were
past this, we knew were better than this, and then
we did it. And the frustrating part.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
It is, and I also go back to they fixed
it last year, and that's why, like I don't understand
why all of a sudden, we're like raven fans are
ready to jump off buildings like guys. Vision is history.
They did this last year. They were really bad at
the beginning of the year. Last year too, they were
zero to two going into Dallas. They're one and two.

(47:10):
Guess what. They had the same record last year. The
other thing is the AFC is not nearly as good
as we thought it was. Buffalo's great AFC South. I
don't believe in the Colts because let me see the Colts.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Actually shroud I don't know what it is. I did
see the picture graphic.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
You know what it is. They traded his whole damn
offensive line. Wow, I mean he's got nobody buying. Yeah,
that's true. But year one, Yeah, but year one.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
He wasn't doing great. I mean he had the same
I mean he had the same offensive line for the
most part. Right, he had.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Laramie tunseell on Shack Mason.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
You know what, I'll say this, I watched Larrymy Tunsall.
I feel like Laramie Tunsel's overra at this point. He was.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
He was better in Houston than he like, he was
a great offensive lineman in Houston. I don't know, I
don't know what you what else you want us to say?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
He was there last year.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, and they traded two of the guards last year,
and then this year they got rid of Tunseel like
they have tosive line.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah maybe right. I didn't know that. I know that
about the Guards. I was just saying he was there
last year and they weren't.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
They have five different starters on offensive line than CJ.
Stride's rookie year, and they have got worse at all
five positions.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Well that's not I might do it.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
They got worse at all five positions. They got worse
at every wide receiver spot except Nico Collins. Like that,
like the offense around them is worse. They got worse
at the running game, Like everything around CJ. Stroud is worse.
I know, we're so used to talking about quarterbacks as
the end all be all on the offense, and I'm
a quarterbacks wins guy, I know. But like at the
same time, guys like we gotta look at this arounding

(48:48):
at some point and be like, Yeah, this guy's falling
in Houston around this man.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Actually I changed my tune then. I didn't know. I
didn't know the whole entire off line change. I thought
it was. I thought Laramie Tunsels only got changed.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
We are. It's okay, Peyton, don't worry.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
So I will say him and him and Trevor Lawrence
were having they're just missing throws last week and they
was pissing me off them. I was like, God, damn it.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
But you know what, I still think Jacksonville wins that division.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I don't, I don't. I don't buy the Colts. I
really don't.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's easy.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
It's easy.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
They're doing great. Jon.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
They played, they played, they played a bad Dolphin team
dominated them, played a bad Tennessee team dominated them. I
forget who they played Week two.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
But when Denver got bailed out in the game because
of the they did get it's called like once every
six years, Dave, I'm with you. I don't believe in
in Indy either, but they may win this division by
default because I don't believe in Jackson either. But the
Colts are currently three to.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Oh well, And let me say this, I do want
to say this. I don't want to take away from
Daniel Jones because it's not Daniel Jones. That doesn't give
me the confidence. I don't trust their defense in big games.
I just don't. And now you don't have Kenny Moore,
who is one of your more reliable defensive backs. Your

(50:25):
front seven is not stellar like they Their front seven
has been better in the past than it is now.
I don't have a lot of faith in them. I
think offensively, as long as Daniel Jones continues to protect
the football and be able to take some shots down
the field, as Jonathan Taylor says, he that offense is
gonna win them games. I just don't trust their defense

(50:49):
in big games against the better teams in the AFC.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
If their defense were to get healthy again, I feel
a little better about it because their defense is built
from the back, from the back to the front, Like
the back seven can't bind them, kennymore like you said,
like they they're pretty all right, Like they they got
it handled. They're able to generate turnovers if that front
seven is able to even almost generate pressure so that
they're able to hold it down. The offense is essentially

(51:14):
that twenty nineteen Giants team where Daniel Jones had that
stellar season, Yeah, with better receivers, Like it's essentially the.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Same team, much better receivers.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Which was just better receivers like Jonathan Taylor's playing the
saquon roll and Daniel Jones is somehow managing to remember
what color his team wears on a week two week basis. Granted,
with three weeks in, we're three weeks in. At some
point he may forget again, But so far, I gotta
give the man credit for playing really well so far.
We'll see what happens by the time we reached like November.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
But yeah, so far.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
If I had to pick a team to win this
god awful division, it would be them at like nine
to eight.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, they gotta go you know what.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
You know, look, they're playing for the Saturday afternoon four
thirty ESPN time slot and nobody wants to watch.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Actually, South guarantees it.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
They gotta go six and eight the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I mean, they.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Could have a losing record the rest of the year
and make the playoffs. If I had to bettle on a team,
that would be them.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I want to I do want to get out of
here on this. As we get ready to wrap up
this podcast, we need to give flowers I think a
little bit here to Tampa Bay when we talk. When
you talk about the great teams in the NFC, to me,
Tampa does not get mentioned. And I don't understand why.

(52:46):
It's Philadelphia, and Philadelphia deservedly so. It's the Rams, it's
the Lions, it's the Packers. Why not Tampa Bay? Like,
to me, I can see them winning a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Yeah, somebody on this show predicted them to go to
the Super Bowl. I don't know who that day he did,
but somewhere on this show predicted them to go to.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I'm not gonna lie the Texans game last week when
I like just got home and I saw Texans score obviously,
and I saw him with his eyes closed on the
sideline and then he just like opened them so calmly.
I was like, Oh, they're fucked. He's going down this field,
and like when they got to fourth and ten, I'm like,
he's gonna get this. I don't know how he's gonna

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get it. And then he steps in the pocket, gets it,
you know what I mean. Like he's just him and
a Mecca Buca. I mean talk about like the front
office knowing you need to go get a first round guy,
Like right then, Mike Evans immediately hamstring Classic. He'll be
back in like eight weeks. He'll still somehow maybe get

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close to a thousand yards, though this year might be
the year it kind of ends. Unfortunately. Chris Godwin's getting healthy.
But like that kid is so and special, like man,
like the confidence for you to be able to throw
the ball when you get obviously the block kicks and
I don't know what the fuck's with the block kicks.
That was insane on Sunday. It was absolutely out of

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this world. Like for your confidence to be like I'm
coming to you this entire drive and you need to
catch the ball and He's like, fuck it, I got you.
I mean he made insane throw, insane ketch after insane catch,
and it was like a veteran. I mean, yeah, I'm
with you, Dave. I mean, they're they're stacked. I like them.
I like them to make NFC South.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
You're not.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
It ain't that bad, like it's a it's I mean,
the Falcons, Jesus Christ, they talk about taking a step
back where I thought they could be this year. I mean,
I don't know why did I do whatever year with
the Falcons a little bit, but yeah, I don't know.
They look good. They look very good.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I went a.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Table with my conversay, in my input on the conversation
about the Buccaneers until after this week, mainly because I
don't I never buy that they're up there. I know
that they're more of like a trapped team, trap game team.
But the team that traps you at the wrong time, you.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Think they're a trapped team.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I think for someone, for someone who's an Eagles fan, guess.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Oh, you think that playoff game was a trap game?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
No, the playoff game that team was with the dumpter
fart before we even got Okay, all right, but I'm
saying on a regular season game at the end of
the season, when you need to have wins to get
that number one overall seed, I never want to see
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because they always seem to have
our number one we need when we need to have
a win. And so I look at this from a
lens of they're capable of doing great. I'm just gonna

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hold off until they until I see how they play
this week, because I think this is the ultimate test
of how they will they will they survive the season
and how far will they give Because you're saying you're
they're gonna make a Super Bowl, and I find that offensive.
I find it extremely offensive.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
So no, you should. You should find that defensive exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And in fact, we didn't talk about the Eagles today.
I'm a love mated too, but I say, I know,
I know they wants to they want to go in
another direction. That's fine. Canon is very upset as well.
So you know we're gonna sit here. We're just gonna
wait till next week. Before there we're gonna have to
talk about it because that's a game that everyone's gonna
be watching.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
What time is that game?

Speaker 6 (56:21):
O'clock lame in Tampa lame, which is which is which is.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Historically a hard game for us to win anything. But hell, yep,
everyone's always scramping and you have people like like we
have questions on our regarding like is laying gonna be okay?
Is a Dorry Jackson going to get okay and not
get burned?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Dorry Jackson, I want you to know, is a problem
and you should be very concerned about that. Guy.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Oh, I've been I since the since the first since
the first nap in the first game, I would no, yeah,
I don't feel right.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I actually couldn't believe he was he's twenty nine years old.
I thought he was at least thirty four.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But I do think that I would love Grenna. You
have to figure out how it's gonna work. I would
love for the Union to bring back Gardner Johnson. I
think that he could add some stability and some experience
in the secondary, because we are very young and in
the secondary, and as you see, we are getting cooked

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by anyone who actually is able to run a good route.
And so I think that when you have that, because
I'm not gonna have Mike Gathering, but when you have
a quarterback like Baker Mayfield who can make things happy.
And when you have guys who are looking to make
a name for themselves, exactly tell them can It's gonna
be a recipe for disaster for a team's not ready.

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So I will hold off my Buccaneers take and uh
intil next week. As you can see, she is very
much a li.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Sten if you're a Bucks fan. If you're a Bucks fan,
that's the greatest vote of confidence you can have. Davi
is scared. I think that's what that just told me.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
He's scared. He's scared.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
From You have to look at it from the lens
of how the Eagles have play the last couple of
weeks are supposed to how they usually play, and you
also to look at this is a new offensive coordinator
as well. So I don't know if they're going to
be able to iron out everything that they worked on,
that that they adjusted to in the second half for
another game, because personally, I think you can come up
with a whole new game plan. Your conservative game plan

(58:27):
does not work. I think that last year they had
a they had a mindset of going to the past
too much and then realized we need to run, and
the running was with opening up the rest of the office.
I think this year everyone's tuning into their running because
the quantitative force that now you need to start forcing
the bass to a J to deve on to to Jahan.

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You have to use your receivers to get something.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
Going, and I think that week four of you trying
to do that, it's an insiding that Week one or
two is going to be a storyline within this week
and within this game.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Are the Eagles able to activate that second, that that
second and third during option and receiver when they inevitably
triple team A J. Brown.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
We do have to wrap up this edition of the
Opening Kickoff Podcast. Uh next be on the lookout. In
the next couple of weeks. We have a very special
guest we're working on mining some things up that will
be joining us. That's a bit of a throwback for us,
but we'll just kind of tease that out for right now.
For Kevin Pierce, for David Miles, for Peyton Drawn, I

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am Dave stialmental. This has been the Opening Kickoff Podcast.