Pac-12 Apostles - Championship Week

On this week's episode of the Pac-12 Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden break down an insane final week of conference play, and preview the Pac-12 championship game between Utah and USC. The transfer portal floodgates have opened, and the guys discuss who could benefit the most. Plus, Arizona State makes its head coaching hire, while Stanford and Colorado look to the future with David Shaw "resigning" and Deion Sanders considering a move to Boulder.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we goes Pack twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only
the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. I'm George Rice. There,
he's Ralph Amason, and this is the Pac twelve Apostles,

(00:21):
and college football chaos is a plenty, I mean insanity.
And when we think about where we were three weeks
ago to where we are now and understand that this
is the new normal, people, the new normal um Pack
twelve chaos, unbelievable, un freaking believable. I'm still in shock

(00:42):
to this day of the Heisman Trophy. There's a school
in the PAC twelve that's getting another one period unless
he lays an egg this weekend, and the transfer portal
is popping. It ain't even December five yet, and it
is already like people out there, they're like, oh, I'm
getting in, I'm getting in. And we have coaching vacancies

(01:05):
and we lost a legend and one of the vacancies
was filled. So we will start though with the chaos
that is college football. Ralph, I believe that this is
the new normal that we are going to continue to
see like that it's never been easier to be good
at college football, but also it's never been harder to

(01:27):
be elite at college football because of the transfer portal,
UH coaching salaries and the link that the contracts would
tie them to them and inn I all money one
million percent agree. UM. You had a really good Right
Start Wrong podcast about that earlier this week about how
it's never been easier to get good UM and use

(01:49):
Washington and usc as as examples of that. But it's
it's never been harder to stay elite UM, which is
why we've seen our Obama UM falling off a little bit.
And it's not just the two losses, it's a bunch
of one score games as well. So UM interesting interesting times.

(02:11):
I am not the biggest fan of the portal UM.
I like no and I like the fact that the
players have more control. UM. What I worry about and
and the dynamic that I've seen more recently that I
know a lot of college football players and their parents

(02:32):
is a lot of these decisions aren't even being made
by the players. It's parents getting that they're that their kids,
who are adult men at this point, aren't playing and
getting in their ears saying that like the whole holding
still is no longer growth right, like you grow over time,
your feet always have to be moving. They always have
to be moving. It's like the people who weave in

(02:54):
and out of traffic on surface streets. They cut you
off three times and then you end up at the
same stoplight to get there. They could have just stayed
in the flow of traffic, but they have to be
They have to feel like they're doing something. And I
don't necessary. I think kids have the ability to handle
waiting and growing. I don't think their parents do. And

(03:15):
I well, see, I think it's the parents that make
the kids impatient because they're saying, hey, man, you should
be out there. I we we sign up for this,
we didn't do this. And they all think that you
have to be playing early and often to get to
your destination. When I talked to a lot of former

(03:39):
NFL players, guys I play with against and all of that,
and that the thing is is that like, yes, ideally
you would like to play early, but sometimes the struggle
of not being able to play early is the thing
that prepared propels you to be great and willing to
do the great work. So and I remember after we

(04:03):
played in the Holiday Bowl my red shirt freshman year.
The first game of the season, we played at Wisconsin,
and mind you, I played in every single game, at
least probably like ten to twenty players. Every single game
that year. They threw a ball to me. Joey Harrington
threw a ball to me at the beginning of that season,
and I got absolutely demolished in Camp Randall Stadium. I

(04:26):
mean flipped upside down every it was bad and I
dropped the ball. I did not get another target, not
not another catch, not even an uncatchable ball thrown at
me that entire season. And I remember everybody was so
happy when we beat Texas in the Holiday Ball. They
were like every fireworks going off and uh a quality

(04:51):
calm at the time. And I was standing on the
field because it was dark and I was the only
well I don't know if I was the only player,
but I was on the field crying my little eyes out,
crying my little eyes out. Everybody was so excited except
for me, and I've made a mission. At that point,
I was like, this will never happen to me again.

(05:12):
I will never in my life finish another season. Because
I was like, the only way that people will know
that I even played, Like, I'm not even in the
stat book. I was like, the only way people will
even know I played is if they watched the game.
I didn't even get a penalty that that year, so
there was no unless you watched it. There was no record.

(05:34):
So and that was a thing that propelled me. Aside
from an ultra competitive having competitive people around you and
all of that and being talented, it was the thing
that was like, no, I'm I'm going to work. I
don't like this. I don't like this. And there is
a certain element of that uncomfortability that that needs to continue.

(06:00):
And there is an element like like, for instance, Ralph
texts me before the show today and he was like,
do you need a minute to grieve because, uh, Butterfield
from Oregon is in the transfer portal and he's a
dude that I don't have a problem with transfer. He's

(06:21):
been there for three years still he might still have
three years of eligibility left because of COVID, but I'm like,
he's a dude that has been in the system. It
didn't work there, and he's like, I don't want a
chance next year, like I've put in work. Maybe I
feel like I should be higher on the depth chart.

(06:42):
He probably yes, Oh, he's probably yes. He's probably graduated already,
and so he may be able to transfer twice because
he'll get a grad transfer and the and a the
one time free transfer. So I don't mind kids like
like that, but there are other kids like I was
prize that Dante Thornton from Oregon, the wide receiver who

(07:04):
had a huge game against what was it Utah. I
was surprised that he ended up in in the portal.
So I love the portal, but Ralph, I am also conflicted,
and we talked about this earlier because there are good
parts and there are bad parts to it. I mean
there are good parts and bad parts to anything in life.

(07:26):
So the good part is players get to move, teams
can get better faster, But then you're gonna have teams
lose players, and it also changes your fan experience on
how you root for those teams and players when now
you can't invest three to five years into him. It's
like a year to year proposition. Yes, yes, and that

(07:49):
and I don't know. I love the portal. I love
the control that players have. What I don't love is
um movement just for the same age of movement. But
then you know, you look at guys. So Isaiah Lewis,
Colorado safety, two time Pack twelve Honorable mention was hurt

(08:10):
this year head coaching change. Why wouldn't he? Yeah, why
wouldn't he? Right, But if you're doing it, if you're
jumping in the portal just to jump in the portal,
and last year, I think we saw a bunch of
people jump in just to see if their own team
would provide them with enticements to come back to school. Um,
which is fascinating. But you know, I don't know, man,

(08:34):
we're gonna see a ton of movement. I don't think
it's gonna be a lot of players that actually play
like it was last year. And if that does happen again,
then I think it's gonna be good riddance to USC.
A lot of people already feel that way anyway, right,
because you had a lot of people who were starting
and who were going to continue to start and star

(08:55):
on their teams in the Pac twelve, like Brendan Rice,
I'm sure or Die would have had a hundred and
fifty carries. I'm sure that Eric Gentury would have been
all Packed twelve as a linebacker with Arizona State. I'm
sure that Washington's past defense certainly could have used uh
some of the help that they lost to USC. Same

(09:17):
with Colorado, and so you know, it's one of those
things where it's and maybe Oregon becomes that team or
maybe Washington. I don't know, but I don't like it
when players that are already playing are bouncing. I don't know,
I don't I don't have to, like I can see
the benefit of Christian Gonzales to to Oregon or did

(09:40):
you not mind that because the coach got fired? Oh wait, no, no, no,
no, no no, no, no, Carl Carl do Rail was still
there this the beginning of this, right, But there were
a lot of staff changes right at Colorado UM, there
were a lot of staff changes. I think he waded
through a coaching change, possibly if I'm not mistaken, But

(10:03):
I know that the lead recruiter on a lot of
these guys was their offensive coordinator, who is now an
assistant at You see, like, coaching movement plays into a
lot of this. And I don't have a problem with
a coach who is getting paid somewhere else and doing
a good job taking one red cent more to go
do the same job somewhere else. So you would think
that I would not be a huge hypocrite and begrudge

(10:25):
players for doing that exact thing. But I and you
understand what it's actually like out there to be an
alumni of a school twenty years after you've graduated. And
I feel like some of these people that have bounced
around and done mercenary duty duty if they didn't get
their degree in their first place. Because to me, if

(10:46):
you've got a degree, to me, Jane Daniels is a
son devil forever. We have the same degree, who both
have a bachelor's from Arizona State, And there's probably a
lot of Arizona State football fans that consider us both
a huge depotment disappointment. Like what like if you got then,
if you got the degree, then it is what it is.

(11:08):
But I think you know that if you had bounced
for your final year, if you had played three years
at Oregon and then instead of going to the NFL,
you had done one year at TCU, Yeah, would your
connection with Oregon be what it is today, which is
a really important part of like your sports identity if

(11:28):
I did, yeah, uh yeah, yeah, it probably would be.
But probably probably not, probably probably not. How many State
Russell will Wilson fans are there? Three? I mean, but

(11:58):
there are probably some NC State fans that wanted him
to stay. They were they were like, yo, he should
not be leaving, he should not be leaving, and that
we need to keep him here. There were probably a
decent amount of those people. But but after he's gone,
because I talked to like guys from sc was talking

(12:18):
to guys from where all these other schools, and they
were like, you leave, bye bye, you are you are
now almost like exiled and excommunicated on some on some
level like like you want to leave, peace out, brother

(12:39):
and that, And so that's what I'm saying. You know,
he threw Russell Wilson to like seventy touchdowns for North
Carolina State, and he had the one really good year
at Wisconsin. But what do you think of when you
think Russell Wilson Wisconsin? Yea, And so you know, it's
that type of thing that I think you don't realize
it until you get further out that the four You know,

(13:00):
you're not making a four year decision, you're making a
forty year decision. You don't understand that unless you're actually
gonna go back and use the value of that alumni
network and be part of you know, there's not a
lot of guys go on to be like seven time
all pros, like like Russell Wilson. A lot of guys
go and have a cup of coffee and then their
opportunities that they have uh come with the town that

(13:23):
they played in, which I think it's always really important
to consider the community because could you go back there
and live there and be part of that you know,
business network or whatever. But are you going to be
even accepted back if you went and did something elsewhere?
And that's that's the new reality of it, and we're
not gonna know what it looks like until we're ten

(13:43):
years down the road. And and the bunch of people
that you typically would see come back to have a home,
talking about hanging out with business networking with the people
that are part of your alumni group until that's not
really even an option anymore because they were at three
schools in four years, you know, and that and that

(14:04):
that part of it, that part of it. I wonder
what it's gonna look like down the road. Um. And
Plus I do I do like to see people kind
of enshrined as having their era at the school that
they that they pick. So if you're playing, if you
are actually getting playing time, and you're playing at a
high level, maybe think through bouncing for a hundred k

(14:27):
two hundred k to spend one year at a place
that isn't gonna think twice about you because they're buying
up unless you do something spectacular like what like bow Nicks,
if he stays at Oregon again, he'll be an Oregon guy.
Oh for sure, he might be an Oregon guy. He

(14:48):
might be an organ guy anyway. But look at it,
what would Dalton King Dalton Kik would be just another
person that played at Alabama. He's a Utah legend. Now
he didn't take that Alabama money. He's a ute a legend.
And I want players to think, and there's value and
and and there is value to that. It doesn't feel
like monetary value in the short run, but I guarantee

(15:12):
when you actually get out in the real world, even
after your pro career finishes, if you are fortunate enough
to have that sort of thing, though, that's when it
really cashes in. Is actually while you're playing, business opportunities
even more money making opportunities, and when you're done, that's
when it really matters, Like, like who is who is
Travis die gonna be able to connect to He didn't

(15:35):
finish his season at USC because of injury. Oregon is
kind of like you left bro bye, So like you,
you lose on both sides, and especially with a one
year transfer. Now, Caleb Williams, who uh is now probably

(15:57):
going to win the Heisman Trophy. He's now a legend
at USC for sure. Yeah, a legend now. I thought
he won the Heisman Trophy this weekend. And granted, your
team's success should not necessarily mean whether you win the
Heisman Trophy or not, because it doesn't always go to
the best player, doesn't always go to the guy. It

(16:20):
goes to one of the best players on well sorry,
either the quarter nine times out attend a quarterback or
occasionally a running back on one of the top five
or six teams in the country, and that's it. Probably
wanted the top four. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you
got a factor in wins at some point because if not,

(16:41):
we're probably given the Heisman this year to a six
ft to white wide receiver at the University of Idaho
who who moved from tight end to white out and
had eight two catches yards and sixteen touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah,
he'd be invited to New York too, for sure. Yeah.
I think we do need to expand the position group
because the quarterbacks are not even always the best players

(17:03):
on the team. But I do believe that Caleb Williams,
this dude is freaking good. Bro. He is good. He
makes plays, He's got a special arm. This dude here
lies a ballplayer. Uh. I get more. I get more
text messages about his manicures than I do his play

(17:24):
on the field. Now, I don't. I'm he and it
And the one last week was like, what it's a
fuck Notre dame it did. I'm not a big fan
of that. Um, I'm not a big fan of that.
But I don't. I don't have a problem with him,
and he isn't. His mom is like a manicurist, so
it's like it's like a family thing. But yeah, I

(17:48):
get there's a lot of there's a lot of dudes
that are like, I don't know about him in the NFL,
And I'm like, what do you mean you don't know?
And they're like, well, he paints his Nails like, that's
not then what do you do? You know how many people? Well,
first of all, I don't think he's super likable, like
in terms of like, I don't think that he has
that super cool factor or the likability that that he

(18:10):
wants to necessarily have. I think that if he goes
in the end, well, when he goes in the NFL
next year, that people accept you if you're good, just
like carl Carlton Nassat, he comes out, are you getting
sacks or are you not? And if you are throwing

(18:33):
the football like Caleb Williams is doing, hey Man Paintion Neils,
you want to keep throwing around. None of those dudes,
none of those dudes worried about Cayley Williams nails would
not take prime Dennis Rodman on their on their favorite
basketball team. Damn. That is a great point. That is
a great, great point. Um. But the chaos so so

(18:53):
we've already covered the Heisman Trophy. We think it's going
to Caleb Williams after Ohio State lost, and and I
think it's the timing and the fashion that they lost,
and there's so much chaos over the last couple of
weeks in college football, and this last week it started
with Mississippi State beating Old Miss. That was the case

(19:16):
the last two weeks of Old Miss losing their lane.
Kiffin's fault for letting the rumors get out of control.
I was like, I've seen this movie before with Mario
Cristo Ball and meanwhile, meanwhile, the actual guy they hired
got blown out by New Mexico State, which is you
gotta try to get blown out by New Mexico State. Yeah,

(19:36):
you gotta try because the team knew he was lead.
It just changes when when your team, first of all,
they're already college kids. Stuff goes up and down. But
when they feel something off too, they're not playing for
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(19:58):
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Um n C State beat North Carolina State backup quarterback.
There still fourth string quarterbacks, fourth string quarterback beat a
Heisman contender Ben Ben Finley, who is their backup hunter
by the way, and Ryan Finley's younger brother who went

(20:20):
on to play for the Bengals. He comes in there.
He throws two touchdowns and he beats a Heisman contender
in Drake May. It was a nonsense weekend. Yeah, he
had a better I think he had a better completion percentage,
more yards, and more touchdowns and did not throw a pick. Yeah,
it was crazy. And then we also had so U
c l A went to it with with cal and

(20:42):
then the chaos superstarted. Now Ohio State Michigan. I I
thought so part of me thought Ohio State was gonna
win this game because I thought that they were gonna
be able to force Michigan to throw the ball. And
you know what Michigan did. They could not run the ball.
But then they started chunking it up over the top,

(21:05):
they made plays, they broke tackles and gage. I mean,
it was insanity. And then that was a blowout when
and honestly, and I know that this sounds outrageous, right,
but I'm telling you I know this for a verifiable fact.
Ryan Day, He's not getting fired, but he is definitely

(21:27):
on the hot seat. And if he gets offered an
NFL job, it might be time for him to take it.
He might he might want to come on over the
pack twelve. We got the money when we got the
school that has the money. He might want to make
his way over the Bay Area to to Stanford. Yeah

(21:47):
why not? M h See okay, So is Ryan Day
a great head coach or was he born on coaching
third base? With what Urban Meyer left looked, they've looked good.
Outside of two games, they've looked pretty good. Uh well, okay, okay,

(22:10):
see see here's the thing. Against Notre Dame, that game
was tight early right when when Notre Dame wasn't playing well.
So any time that they've played a decent team, I
mean even against pen Penn State, they started super slow.
Against North Northwestern that was a disaster. Um they all

(22:32):
that Maryland pushed them to the brink. This was not
a like their Their offense starting back to last year
when they played against Oregon goes to shambles. It's it's
it's like he can't get it going in the beginning
of the game. And then against Michigan and then Michigan
literally just ran them over. It was forty five to

(22:54):
twenty three, and it honestly didn't even feel that close.
I I'm not gonna speak down on somebody who uh
when eleven and won this year, Like I And I
think if you were presented with the option, and I'm
not talking about now when you've already spent a year

(23:14):
rooting for the guy, but if when when the coaching
job opened up in Eugene last year and you had
the choice between Ryan Day and Dan Landing, I think
you're probably taking Ryan Day. And all he's done is
win eleven games since then. Like it's not it's I
understand that, but do you do you understand Ohio States

(23:38):
fans a little bit of questioning is he the guy?
Because it's easy to win all of your games except
the big ones when you have that roster. Yes, there
are more big ones than just one game. But I
will say I will say they would not have had
those concerns if they beat me. If if you're concerns

(24:00):
are dependent upon one result, then they're not concerns. Then
you just over emphasized one thing. And I'm far be
it from me to tell any Ohio State fan that
the that the Ohio State Michigan rivalry isn't what it is.
And if TCU loses this weekend, then Ohio State's probably
gonna go to college Football playoff and get another opportunity.
And if you talk wins, that's probably the same thing
that's gonna happen as Ohio States that are gonna be

(24:22):
gonna be next in to get plugged in there. So
I don't know. I think it's fine. But if hey,
if he wants to come to Stanford, he wants to
come coach at Arizona Cardinals, I'm not gonna stop him,
all right. So and then there was more chaos. L
s U got beat by Texas A and M I
knew that was going to happen. I rarely bet on sports.
I bet big on that game money line, because you

(24:48):
know how sometimes you just know that something meant And
I bet on the South Carolina clemsing in. I knew
what was going to happen. You flat out told me
they were going to get run. I was supposed to
be at game, but I just needed a day to
a day, a day to chill. I'm happy for Spencer Rattler.
Uh South Carolina that lost Scott Sadderfield um and and

(25:10):
I've never seen South Carolina fans so um it was.
It was interesting to watch their grieving process over losing
their o C because it was like, well, he gave
us two good games there at the end, and then
he got himself another job at Nebraska. We wish you
the best because they spent all year hating his death.
I went to a couple of South Carolina games this year.

(25:31):
I hated him, So you know, um, but when they
look back on this season, they're gonna feel real good. Yes,
they put out like the funniest tweet earlier this morning
that said number nineteen in the college Football playoff voting.
That's our highest ranking ever. But college football playoff voting
has only been around for a couple of years, so

(25:52):
that made me laugh. But going back to your LSU thing, though,
former Arizona State quarterback Jade and Daniel everybody spent this
whole year talking about how like, oh they fixed him,
Jaden Daniels is back. YadA, YadA, YadA. Interesting stat breakdown
on Jaden this year looks a lot like his freshman year.

(26:13):
Oh my god, he only threwdowns but wait for this,
wait for this. In eleven games, in eleven games against
FBS opponents, So you got to throw that southern result
out playing a swack team, right, he had twelve touchdowns

(26:34):
twelve touchdown passes in eleven games. He's still the same
Jaden Daniels. Oh my god, he's never thrown Oh my gods,
he threw seventeen including that game, and that's the highest
that he's ever thrown. Yes, seventeen was his freshman year,
his senior stats. Look, oh my god, yes, I was

(26:57):
looking at it in reverse order and didn't look at
the years. Yeah, it's the same quarterback rating, the same,
Lord heaven. It's completion percentage went way up, but his
yards for a time went down. And uh and and
the rating is in the in the same territory. Now,
he effectively ran the ball in the sec, which I
think is going to give him some NFL looks. But

(27:18):
if I'm him at this point, do you leave school?
He did have a d touchdowns. He ain't no damn
running back though he's not a running back so and
and he's not Lamar Jackson either, So no, he better
take his ass back to back to school because if if,

(27:42):
if he goes out, he's gonna be like a what
like a fifth round, fifth rounder, sixth rounders I don't
know about. He's not gonna be hired in that. I'm
telling you right now, he's the fourth at the optimal
Like everything goes right, He'll be a fourth round draft
draft pick if everything goes right and breaks right for him,

(28:03):
and you do not want to go in in that
life if you have other options, hints, look at a
guy like Matt Correll. Matt Correll got drafted in it
I think the third round, and if Carolina ends up
high enough in the draft order, they're gonna take a

(28:23):
quarterback he spent. I mean, he got he got hurt
this year, but that's what I'm saying. But but if
he had been a first round draft pick, they don't
draft another quarterback, right, But Matt Correll had Matt Correll
had his time committed to US, but in his last
two years of Old Miss he threw forty touchdowns. Yeah,

(28:46):
so he you know, that's not that we're not talking about, no, no, no, no.
I'm just talking about like the draft status versus what
the team will do. That's what I'm saying. Like teams
don't typically do what the era Zona Cardinals did when
they uh punted on Josh Rosen, but then they also
saw Josh Rosen play, as opposed to if Josh Rosen

(29:09):
had been hurt his rookie year, they probably don't do
the same thing. You know what I'm saying, Like if
he missed his old rookie year, they don't do the
same thing, right, And only only nine quarterbacks were drafted
last year, only nine, and Brock Purdy, who had four
years of proving that he was a good passer at

(29:30):
Iowa State, was the Mr. Relevant. Yep, So would you
would you? Would you consider Jaden Daniels to be a
better quarterback than than Brock Purdy? I don't know if
I would, So maybe feels feel feels very same same
because if we're looking at the quarterbacks that are going

(29:51):
to be drafted this year, so Bryce Young is gonna
come out. C J. Stroud is gonna come out, right, Um,
people believe Anthony Richardson is gonna come out, and that
makes no sense to me, Right, I don't think he
can pass the ball good enough at this point in
point in time for him to be trying to come
out in the draft. Well, I'm sorry, passed the ball
consistent enough. I think that he's a dude that needs

(30:14):
to go back to school. Hendon Hooker's gone, obviously, Um,
Cameron ward is does he have one year left? Or
is this it? He's gonna he's got more eligibility. Oh,
he needs to stay as ass in school too. If
I'm Michael Pannox Jr. Holiday to player when you see
him in the streets, Buddy, I've shown that I can
throw the football at a very high level. He is

(30:35):
gonna be Sam Hartman recovered and through touchdowns. Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not taking I'm not taking Jane Daniels over Michael
Panics or Sam Hartman. Yep, I'm not. And then people
love will Will Levis. I mean, is Jaren Hall is

(30:56):
better than Jaden Daniels. Yeah. Oh, and then that's before
you throw in the great white white hope too, in
Tanner McKee or Jack Clumber who is kind of the
same yep, Kate k J. Jefferson at Arkansas like him
and Jade Daniels Field kind of you know, same, same, same, same,

(31:20):
And and don't forget like at this point, Dylan Gabriel
could leave school if you wanted to. He's been in
school forever yep. Rattler, Like, it's like it's gonna get
sticky around there, bro. So if you're not for sure
at the top of the pile, take yourself. I mean,
and I said, and I would say the exact same
thing to bow Knicks, who has been fabulous this this year.

(31:41):
But I do think that there is in some people's
mind still they still see bad bow Knicks or the
or the potential for bad bow Knicks, despite what he
showed all year and then two years of good bow Knicks.
Oh yeah, they're like, oh oh that was a that
was an Auburn thing. They sucked and we didn't even
we didn't even, we didn't even mention Max Dugan is

(32:04):
attend to one touchdown to interception ratio and probably going
to college football playoff Oh yeah, oh yeah him, oh yeah, exactly,
um and more college football chaos. And that leads us
to the pack twelve, and we will start with what
was God damn bro, you're having a migraine onset, migraine.

(32:30):
The most unbelievable game. Okay, do we need the Sarah
McLaughlin music in the background, dude? This one? Okay, speaking
of Angels, this was an Angels in the outfield performance
felt like because when when you watch this game, would

(32:53):
you would you say that Oregon State is better than
Oregon No? Right, I would tell you they looked really
good in that first quarter. Oregon State looked really good
in the first and then it was and then and
then talent took over and then you're like, what the
hell happened now, Oregon if you didn't watch this game

(33:20):
and only heard about it. So Oregon was up thirty
four to seventeen when the fourth with fourteen minutes and
fifty seven seconds after they kicked the the field goal,
they were up seventeen points to start the fourth quarter.
They lost thirty eight to thirty four. Yeah, and I

(33:40):
guess you would call it a turnover when they when
they dropped the punt because they got the ball in
the one yard line, three touchdown State. Yeah, and they
did not throw a pass from the middle of the
third quarter, and all Oregon needed to do Oregan State
was not gonna pass to pass the ball, you lit,
they didn't even attempt. They didn't even fake like they

(34:03):
were gonna pass it because they could not trust I mean,
I mean, and I told you this prior to the game.
I was like, they're gonna make make gold gold brands
and pass it. And he's better, I mean in Oregon's defense,
and dbs and linebackers are better than big being gold Brands,
He's gonna throw the ball to him, which he did twice.

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And the fact that they could not get a stop.
I thought that this was I thought that that was embarrassing.
And I thought that the way they lost it reminded
me of the Baltimore Ravens losing the game to the
Miami Dolphins in the beginning of the season. It was unbelievable.

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I mean, everything that could go wrong happened, and then
Oregon could not regain any momentum. But then they did.
It was thirty four thirty eight, three minutes in like
three minutes and fifty seconds left or whatever. Oregon has
the ball first and goal at the five yard line.

(35:06):
I was like, as long as we don't give up
a touchdown, this is a burrito buddy, mm hmm. And
they ran the same gap scheme, played to the left.
They back missed the whole once. He should have bounced
bounced out. But I thought that Kenny dilly Ham, who
may have had his mind on Arizona State too much,

(35:30):
put put together a a sequence and and and granted
I'm I'm getting ready, and and and let me put
my tinfoil hat on for a second, Okay, I think
Oregon fans deserve to be tinfoil I had about it.
I just don't think they're correct. I don't think that
we are correct either. But it's reasonable right that because

(35:52):
it's better for Kenny dilly Ham that he gets to
go work now as opposed to a week later, it's
better for for Arizona State, so especially with the signing
date coming up in three weeks, so so that that's
the tinfoil conspiracy. I don't think that he consciously was like,

(36:15):
I'm gonna run something. That's no. I think that he
was not at optimal decision making because he's a man
divided on something like like like I don't think that
he was deliberately like, oh I want to lose or so.
I think that when you're when your mind is on
something else and not singularly focused, that it can impact

(36:38):
what you necessarily would have done in that situation. Can
I give you a theory on what his mind might
have been on and not just Arizona State keeping Bonix healthy,
because that seemed to play a much bigger factor in
some of the choices that Organ has made as an
offense over the last couple of weeks than than the
fact that his mind has been on the play. I

(36:58):
just thought that you should tell you action. He could,
he could clearly play action. But when did herhim get fired?
September eight? Kenny dillings Ham's mind has been on a
s U since September. You are you are right? You
are right. That's a good point. So bow Knicks, you
can't use him the way that you've been using him
all year, but you can play action and just do

(37:19):
it like like he was good enough to do that. Yeah.
So I've heard, I've listened to, I've taken in every
possible national show that there is that brought up going
for it on your on your own twenty nine. I
have no problem. And I've heard a lot of people
say that, and one of the reasons that they give

(37:40):
is we couldn't get a stop, and here was the
play called bow Knicks made the wrong decision. If he
unders the ball off, it's a it's a easy first down, right,
And I get that, But I will say this, Oregon
did get a stop and then they fumbled upon So

(38:00):
I just I don't want to hear the Oregon couldn't
get a stop because they did. They literally did get
a stop and then they fumbled the punt. No no, no,
we didn't pune with a punt. No no, no no, no
on the one no no, no, no, no no, no, no
no no. We we were punting, Oregon was punting and
the punter dropped the ball. Didn't Oregon also lose a

(38:24):
punt on the punt return? No? No. There were two
major special teams issues for Oregon. They they they had
a punt blocked early in the game. Never mind, never mind, Yeah,
it was then block. Yeah, they got a punt blocked
early in the game. But then go Brandon throw it
through it right back the next play, So I'm off

(38:46):
my rocket and then I'm confused. But what I what
I will say is like I I just don't like
that excuse of like, oh, we can't stop them. No no, no, no,
I see see, you didn't make it. You didn't make
the excuse. But I've heard a lot of people say, well,
that's why you'd go for it on your own, on
your own winning by the way, while leading, I have
no do you understand I have no. There is not
a a part of my mind that question because you're

(39:11):
you're an ideologue on Fortune Favors the Bowl. That just
didn't work out your way this time. And and and
when you watch the play, if bow Knicks hands the ball,
what the what bow Knicks did is he anticipated what
the read was going to be instead of making the read.
Do you understand what I'm saying. Well, now I watched

(39:33):
him run towards three defenders, so so that's what I'm saying.
He anticipated. But but uh, but the but Oregon State
was like, we saw this movie last week. We're not
going for that. So if if he hands the ball
off first down, but he was thinking about what happened

(39:54):
against Washington when if ty Thompson keeps the ball, it's
a far down. So he anticipated instead of making the read.
And bow Nix, who has been fabulous all year, he
made a bad decision. And that's okay. It happens. So
I don't doubt that. I I do not. And when
when I talked to Dan Landing, I'm going to tell him,

(40:17):
do not switch up what you're doing, bro. What you're
doing is the right thing. Do not question those moves
you are You did this boldness that you are displaying
it is absolutely fabulous. And you've actually seen way more
coaches doing it too. When it's like fourth and inches
and they have not been able to stop you at

(40:38):
all running the football. Hey, move along, move along, or
but that that's also a thing. They normally would have
quarterback sneaked in that situation, but boat wasn't wasn't healthy.
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Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app
search f s R to listen live. So there's been
chaos in the Pac twelve throughout the last few few weeks. Um. Yeah,
it's just been absolute craziness, so much so that that

(41:22):
there was a chance that Washington, Oregon and Utah, and
it looked like two weeks ago it was clear that
Oregon was gonna make the to win the well yeah,
to be the even the one seed if you will.
In the Pack twelve, Bo Nicks hurts his hurts his ankle.
They lose to Washington, beat Utah, lose the Oregon State

(41:45):
and now they're sitting at home for the Pack twelve
championship over one over one injury really yeah, and now
the Pac twelve is upside down. You have Utah versus
usc usc P. Weill felt like they got jobbed in
the first game that they lost by one in Salt
Lake City. So for the PAC twelve championship, can you

(42:08):
be no, they have an argument. They have an argument.
I'm not I don't they should have won that game
by more. But they do have an argument. I don't
think that they're okay, they're they're complaining about pass interference
called I mean, and a bunch of other stuff. But
these are PAC twelve officials. I mean, it's just so
can they beat USC again? Yes? This is such a

(42:33):
weird situation because the best thing for everybody involved is
USC to beat Utah. Because I don't I don't think so.
I'm actively rooting on you because you're to your two
least favorite teams will benefit the most, but we'll all benefit.
Washington will go to a Rose Bowl if USC wins. No,

(42:54):
yes they will. If USC wins, Washington gets the Rose Bowl. Well,
it tip I don't know because that because because they
typically give it to the loser of the Pack twelve championship.
But in this case, it will be the highest ranked
team and that's gonna be Washington because they don't play
and that would give you, like their third or fourth
loss the year. Or whatever. So so Washington would go
to the Rose Bowl and USC would go to college

(43:16):
football playoffs. We all benefit financially from that, but you
personally would have to watch USC in the College Football
Playoff and Washington in the Rose Bowl. Oh, I wouldn't. Honestly,
the Washington Rose Bowl thing wouldn't bother me quite as much,
to be to be perfectly honest with you, it would
be more so if USC wasn't leaving the Pack twelve

(43:40):
and their fans weren't being so obnoxious about it, like
we're leaving the peons. We are we are, we are
better than them, you know. If they weren't being like that,
I would not care. But but because they got Lincoln
Riley and they have turned into this elitist we're better
than them at attitude, that's been my I guess disdain

(44:04):
if you will, for this season. Like I have no
problem with like I have no problem with their coaches,
no problem with you know, you know, I'm friends with
Lenard and Reggie, no problem with with USC kind of
in general. But it's been kind of how obnoxious that
the fans have been and for them to cash in
like like that and then say so we're cash in

(44:26):
and now we're leaving by we got it, we gotta
Himan and ay and the College Football Playoff told you
and what honestly like, most teams aren't gonna miss USC.
To be honest, it is what it is. Um I
enjoy having them as part of the fact. Well, if
they don't want to be here, bye, it's pretty simple
to me. I I can't tell what I'm more annoyed by, though,

(44:51):
USC fans pretending they didn't buy this, which you're allowed
to so yeah cool, or or or Utah fans who
are like going around saying build not but nobody's given
us any respect. First of all, shut up us, literally,
both of you. Shut up. Please please shut up Utah Utah.

(45:14):
I want to root for you, and I want to
What I want to say is the same thing I
said before the season, which is USC is leaving the
conference because they're ducking Utah. Everybody's afraid of Utah. Utah's
a new bully on the blood. I'm trying to give
you respect, but you're walking around here acting like an underdog.
You are not. You underperformed this year. You back George
your way into the PAC twelve championship and you absolutely

(45:35):
could run over this defense. In fact, in fact, I
consider Utah the favorite US favorite in this game. USC
is favorite in this game by two and a half
point two and a half point, right, which is nothing.

(45:58):
That's just the betters. That's just the betters who don't
know anything about the Pack twelve champion from last year,
which returned the majority of their roster. He's playing in THEA.
And here's the thing about Utah, this isn't the little
has very good coaches, and what went wrong against USC
last time, it won't go wrong on the same level again.

(46:22):
I I have a hard time believing that USC is
gonna be able to score forty two points against this
team again. I think the probably one, like like thirty
one is probably thirty one is probably the answer here.
My memory from the first time around is Kyle Wittingham

(46:44):
looking like he wanted to never coach another football game.
Every time they get two or three rushers through and
not even put a finger on Caleb Williams. Yeah, he
was like he looked like she was a child. Yes,
Caleb Williams head and be like and and you know, like, um,
like who is the X Men character that can just

(47:04):
vanish and then yes, that's he's that dude. He's the
one you made fun of me for for same was
my favorite X Man because he said, I I only
like peripheral characters. You are you are the French guy. Okay,
well maybe that's why I'm upset about the Pactol Championship
and the two best teams. But I expect you taught

(47:26):
to win this game. It's really there's no die this
time around. It's really Cayleb Williams versus what Morgan Scalley
is able to put together. That's what it comes down to.
If Morgan Scalley can figure out, if Morgan Scalley can
figure out how to slow down Kayley Williams, they might

(47:48):
keep him. I'm gonna tell you what they're going to do.
Instead of rushing and twisting and all that stuff on
pass downs, They're gonna take the lineman and just bull
will rush back. Because now Caleb Williams, who escape the pocket,
now has to go backwards as opposed to being able
to go through the pocket and now escaped towards the

(48:12):
line of primage. So what do you do? Do you do?
You do? You take your ends and do you rush
them wide and have them spy. No no, no, what
do you do is you bull rush? But everybody bull
bullrushes because we we did this when I was intended,
when I was in Jacksonville against Vince Young when he

(48:32):
was in Tennessee. And they do it against Hurts, they
do it against all the quarterbacks who can actually move.
They squeeze the pocket because Caleb Williams his favorite thing
is to extend plays when when it's not there immediately,
he's just extending the play. So now he is uncomfortable

(48:52):
when the pocket continues to squeeze and there's no way out.
So now his eyes have to go down to figure
away out. And if there's no way out or limited
ways out, now you're gonna end up with more of
those sacks because they're not trying to tackle him in
open space as opposed to being able to tackle him
in the phone book. Watch watch it. Watch watch that

(49:15):
coaching nugget. Do you like Utah on this game? No? No, okay,
what happens if Utah does win? Does you? So? Utah
would go to the Rose Bowl and usc would be
what they would end up in the No no, no no, no, no,
they would get a New Year's six Bowl, and then

(49:37):
oh and then yeah, and then you know Oregon, Oregon
State and so oh damn, Oreg's gonna end up in
like the Las Vegas Bowler somewhere to l a bowl
now holds bowl. Holy damn. Um yeah, bro, that's crazy.
So so I guess let's get to these let's get

(50:00):
to these coaching changes real quick, because we're gonna do
We're gonna do a team by teams season breakdown and
some awards stuff next week. I'm sorry we missed last week,
but I don't know if you guys knew this. It
was Thanksgiving, Um, so we were hanging out with the families.
But but the why, I it's not my fault that
you had to put it in a hundred twenty hours
of cooking Thanksgiving us Georgia's Super Bowl. Yes it is,

(50:26):
Yes it is. And there's a couple of people to
ask me for turkeys for next year. So that so
that like the ultimate side business. No, No, I just
it just feels like a compliment. Yeah, for sure. And
so but I'm actually considering doing it, like on a
on a serious note, is putting my is like putting

(50:49):
my Brian together and and just selling, selling the brine
to folks. Oh there you go. All right, let's get
into this. Let's get into the coaching stuff. And I
don't look Stanford. I'm looking right in the game. I
don't care what you call your head coaching position. He's
just the head coach. It is the it is the
Lincoln Riley and I'm sorry, it's the it's the David

(51:13):
clark uh position of football manager, head coached by brought
to you by David Shaw. We we've talked so much
about David Chawn this. He said that Thanksgiving came around,
he talked to his wife, He thought about it. He
said it was time. He said that he didn't spend
all years thinking about how this was going to be

(51:34):
his last year. I don't care whether you believe him
or not. He's just not the head coach anymore. My
question for you, George is is he the most successful
Pack twelth coach of all time? Do you consider him
to be because he had Him and Whittingham are really
the only ones that have the tenure of the full
run of coach in the Pack twelve. Okay, yeah, not

(51:58):
not Pac ten, that twelve, even with the last four
down years, would you consider him to be the most
successful packed twelve fatal expanded in twenty eleven. Right, yes,
I think it might be him. I can't see like
like the last four years make it not be able

(52:20):
to be him though, and then with winning him's first,
I would give it to winning him only because only
because he's his He started out in the mountain West
and he's going this way, Utah is going this way.
Stanford went this way, like when when he got the job,

(52:43):
they were up here, then they would they've been on
a they were like this and then it was like,
I mean they did a combat landing to like to
So I might give it to him. I will say
he certainly went out his way. You think that they're
gonna pay him the rest of that money because he

(53:06):
said that he is stepping down, but that don't mean
you're resigning. Why would they pay him He doesn't work
there anymore. And it was no no no no no
no no. There there are behind the scenes workings and
there is the act. Because they love David Shaw. He's

(53:26):
a family like, he's a Stanford family, so they could
have done him the honor of being of being like
because because remember they are a private university, so they
do not have to disclose these terms. So because they
may have been firing him, but are you are you

(53:49):
suggesting that they they're letting him go out on his
own terms and saying, what, we'll settle up with you
on the back end. No, I'm saying that they were
firing him, but they are allowing him publicly to just
because he's one of their own and everything that he's right.
So what we're saying the same thing is basically like, hey, look,

(54:11):
you go out there and resign, we won't fire you,
and you'll get to keep some of this money. Yeah,
so you're saying that that that could have taken place
behind closed doors. That is where do they go next?
Where they go next? There is good news for them

(54:32):
is that they're athletic. Director has now said, yes, we
will dabble in the portal a little bit, so so
he at least understands that they're going to have to
keep some fifth year seniors and be able to I mean,
it's gonna be so messed up, like the top eight

(54:53):
players from the IVY League every year just getting on
a plane flight to the West coast. That's see a
fair change for them. Damn, that's a cult, yes, because
because now you're like they were at the Ivy League school.
Come on over, guy from Dartmouth, Come on over, guy
from penn Come over your Harvard and yell guys, come
on over. Thinking about like like a few years ago

(55:16):
when uh um, when one of the best dbs in
the whole country was at Dartmouth, Isaiah Swan, Like seeing
him finish at Stanford would have been wild but maybe
maybe maybe, But who who do you think they would
who would be a good fit as a head coach
at Stanford because it only had really two coaches. Our

(55:39):
man floated a name out there, and I don't hate it.
I do not hate Chip Kelly because Chip Kelly is
academics and personal growth, like he matches the Stanford brand.
He's he's not a Stanford guy, but he does. But
he is on brand and they can pay him way

(56:01):
more if you put his recruiting requirements up with St.
Stanford's admission, they're gonna have like a recruiting class of
eight kids every single year. No, no, we used to
six with a four point five g p A and
a thirty s a T. Who sleeps nine hours a night,

(56:24):
and he's not allergic to shellfish. That's funny. I mean,
if anybody can recruit there is chip. But But on
a serious note, right, I think Chris Peterson would be
willing to do it because he's principled enough and they

(56:47):
can afford him. Yeah, but but I don't know if
he wants to, like, like he won't have to get
his hands messy in college football, which is I think,
what kind of hell to push him away too. But
he might just be be happy on television as well.
So those two names are good enough for me to

(57:09):
move on to Colorado. They've offered the job to Dion.
That scares the hell out of me, But at the
same time, I think it'd be fantastic forge if he
takes his job. I know who is going to be
his OC. I know who's going to be his o C.
If he takes this job. I think it's interesting that
it's taking so long because it leads me to believe

(57:33):
that I was right that he wants to stay in
the Swack, or he could have been using this as
leverage to like negotiate things with the Swack and to
get stuff in place. Just in general, whether it's at
just the state and in the conference as a as
a whole, and be like, look, I did all these

(57:54):
great things for the Swack. I will do more College
Game Day in week nine. The is rateed one in
thirteen years with Deon Sanders on it. So why on
earth do would you, if you're the Swack want him
to leave? So if you're them or want them to

(58:15):
I'm making all sorts of I am doing everything as
a conference now. If I'm Grambling State and if I'm Southern,
I want Dion to stay because a rising tide lifts
all ships. Oh. If I'm Eddie Robinson Jr. I'm I'm
making nice with Dion and kissing the ring. I don't
care what it takes. How how how can we fix
this Dion? But the problem is the longer that Dion waits,

(58:38):
the more of these jobs that come open. When I
saw Cincinnati come open, I was like, oh, beause to me,
that's like ready made for you know he will have
when whenever he leaves the Swack, it will I believe
it will be for a destination job. So you don't
think he's gonna go to Colorado, which means, are you

(59:00):
finally gonna get behind my uh my Illinois defense when
I'm I'm guessing that's their backup plan is Illinois defensive
coordinator who is the Colorado alum. Okay, okay, okay. Fox
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(59:21):
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s R to listen live. What percent a chance would
you give Dion to the back twelve. That's high, that's high. Yeah.

(59:43):
I think it's a legitimate. I mean because he's I
know for a fact he's called specific coaches about office
coordinator in defensive coordinator, specific coaches, So that means that
there is that it's real. But I do think that
that that it's kind of Lane kiffinish, which is Lane

(01:00:03):
wanted that Auburn job. He wanted the Auburn. If the
reporter had not leaked it, he was gonna leave. I
believe that. I don't think we're gonna get Dion. I
think it would be great, especially for our TV negotiations.
I think it'd be good for the Pack twelve overall.
I don't want to have to recruit against him. But
let me just be the first to say congratulations to

(01:00:24):
Colorado head coach Ryan Walters. Okay, well that's that's if
Deon calls. Oh, that's gonna be one of my first
calls from my kid though. I tell I tell you
that much for sure, and even more than a football
thing as a character thing, like, Bro, you can go back.
I'm so um Arizona State hired Kenny dilling Ham. He

(01:00:47):
is a young guy. How how does Kenny Okay, so
that's a very young head coach. I mean, well like
Lincoln Riley ish. Yeah, first first coach, first head coach
to ever be born in the nineteen nineties. Okay, So
the question though, is this, Yeah, can he because I

(01:01:09):
do think that he's a really good offensive coordinator. But
the challenge at like he feels like a guy that
you would have wanted to take over a that young,
take over a program that was not in shambles, and
do you know, I mean like, I don't think that

(01:01:29):
you would have, so I wonder I think Canty build it.
That's a great question because between the players they have committed,
this is gonna blow your mind, George, because you know
how many players it takes to fuel the football team.
Between the incoming freshman that they current have currently a
verbal pledges from, and the players that are going to

(01:01:50):
just be uh a red shirt freshman and or true
sophomore next year. So over the course of two classes
at this point in time, is we're recording this fourteen
players across two classes one four Wait what incoming freshman
and current red shirt freshman and or true sophomores? Oh

(01:02:12):
my god, exactly so so so the roster is in
complete shambles. So sure, that's why I wonder if a
person who hasn't rebuilt something before as a head coach,
because like you look at what Josh Hypel did at
UCF right, u c F was in great shape. When

(01:02:34):
when Scott Frost left he gets the job, they're they're
still doing good. So he wasn't able to learn and manage,
you know what I mean, like like like there was
nothing he had to fix. And I think that for
a young that it is a risky hire considering the
circumstances at a s U potential sanctions coming down, and

(01:02:56):
I think that that's gonna make it much tougher for
a young guy who is who has to navigate all
of that. Conversely, their options weren't all that great because
of those things. So going with a young guy who's
familiar with the state might be the wise move and
jill him and I don't think that he would leave

(01:03:18):
like like I don't. I think he feels like if
he can get it going at Arizona State, even the
way that Whittingham is at Utah. Right. I think that
if you offer him the Alabama job, he doesn't take it,
or do you or do you think you would take
that job ten years from now or five cars seven
years from now? Cartoon money is hard to turn down.

(01:03:41):
But I will say this, he's filling out his staff
with people who have Arizona ties. I wouldn't be shocked
if Brian Ward, the Washington State defensive coordinator who has
family in Arizona, ends up being their defensive coordinator. Pick
I wouldn't be surprised if your guy Scott Frost ends
up being the offensive cordina because he lives in Scottsdale.
Charlie Regel left. Arlie Regal left his head coaching position

(01:04:01):
at Idaho State to come be with his family and
aging parents in Arizona. Vince Amy, who played on the
Rose Bowl team and used to be the the defensive
line coach of of University of Arizona has been brought
back to be the defensive line coach. So there's all
these guys with valley connections. They're really trying to make
it a hometown thing. Kenny Dillingham from the state, born
in the state of Arizona, like, there aren't many people

(01:04:23):
like this, but he's a multigeneration Arizona like, so he's
what he's trying to do is get a bunch of
people that have buy in and truly love the valley.
They've not had that before. They've had people who love
being transplants to the valley because that's what the valley is.
It's a great place for transplants. And then they had
Herm whatever that was. But like, they have not had

(01:04:45):
people who are who have they Arizona grew really quickly
in the eighties and the nineties and the two thousands.
The kids of that era who grew up in Arizona
are finally old enough to be in power position, and
that's the people they have in charge there. If this
doesn't work, nothing will. If they go too heavy, If

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they go too heavy on the staffing locally and they're
not able to get kids out of California and the
portal and everything like that, then that's gonna be a
huge problem. But no matter I don't they're gonna have
huge problems, no matter what, because the roster is in
and again this isn't even the guys that are juniors
and seeing I'm talking about the The incoming roster is tiny,

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and the sanctions are coming, and I think the contract
language is such that, like, once we know what the
sanctions are, and there's rumors George that it's two hundred
violations deep, two hundred like it. We did, and I
don't feel good about it, but we did, and so
what comes next? I believe the contract language is pretty

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specific and that like when it comes out, if we
got a three year, if if if we get hit
with like three year bull band or something insane, those
three years we're not even gonna like count them towards.
You're gonna get your money. That's the way hype Hypel's
is and Tennessee it actually adds on when when when

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Nis comes down, it adds time onto his contract. Yeah,
and I hope Arizona State fans recognized that it's not
gonna be like Washington with the quick bounce back, and
they could have a good year next year, but like
MS had a full roster of players, and yes, had
a whole roster of players, and and then then they

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added a couple of important pieces. And you can't buy
your way back. You can't buy your So look a
SU is doing what Utah and Oregon State do. They're
fully staffed with people who are who are all about
the brand. Right they went to the school. They that
ship took time. There a long time for Oregon State.
They're in the infancy of being good. Yeah, the infancy

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of being good. So I hope Arizona State fans understand
they could get and this is exactly what we were
talking about about the transfer portal and the n I
l Oregon State as successful as they were this year. Yeah.
If I am Jonathan Smith, I'm telling my quarterbacks to

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kick rocks except for a throck Morton who's a freshman.
And then Aidan childs if I can hold on to
him to say to to signing because the kid from Downey,
I promise you, this kid from Downey who is committed
to Oregon State. He has been flying up the recruiting
rankings for months now, and he is going to be

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He is getting action from so many schools right right now.
If you can hold on to him, you you tell
everybody to kick Rock, You tell j you tell uh
Go Branson, you tell um who was the chance Nolan
Hollad a player when you see him in the streets.
But I keep Rock Morton just because he's young and

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I don't know fully about him. I'm keeping I'm holding
on to Aidan Childs and then I am going in
the portal and I am getting one of these quarterbacks.
I am getting my Michael Pinics. I'm getting somebody who
can competently pass. Like if you have shown that you
can competently pass the football, you are coming here because

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you was going to get raided because Martinez, he may
not be there next year because he's gonna have bigger options.
There are some of their linemen maybe gone, like its
their corners. I wouldn't be shocked if Arizona State didn't
try to poach their a line coach like they're they're

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they're in. This is when you start to have success,
you start to lose some of the things that made
you successful. Then you've got to be able to replenish.
And if you are a quarterback out there, please consider
Oregon State because last year there's a lot of really
good quote my god, what's his name from a pitch
should have been there, Jaden Davis, No, Janiel West Virginia. Yeah,

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they should have went to state. This year, Hudson Carr
leaves Texas, but consider corvallis my friend, mm hmm, somebody
something like I'm telling you and and it's not. It's
not Jonathan Smith. I promise you that if he gets
a quarterback that has a high ceiling, you're gonna see
that ceiling that I believe that. I think we're starting

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to get to the point where people think that maybe
that's not the case. It is the case. He has
Sean Sean Manyel No no, no, no, no no no no,
San Sean Maniel was after him. Um. Yeah, So as
soon as he gets a quarterback, he will be fine.
He will be fine. He's been dealt with. Um. But
but the question is he needs to get that quarterback

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as soon as the portal opens up, because that is
going to be a a key cog in keeping this
whole thing together. Because I know this is for uh,
for a fact, as well. It may have diminished just
a tabbit with that loss to Oregon State, but Oregon

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is going to be very active in the portal, like
on incoming guys. Yeah, and you're gonna see a couple
of guys exit. You you you already have by Byron Cardwell,
who's a good back. He's gonna be somewhere. So but
he already knows where where he's going. Um there are
I expect the Pack twelve to be the most active

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conference because with Dicker going into year four, full year
two at at Washington State, I'm sure he's got his
eyeb on a bunch of guys. Arizona State has no choice.
Arizona came out and said they were gonna do it.
Arizona came out and said that they were gonna push
a bunch of dudes out. And yes, because because they're
gonna be like, okay, look because Arizona, Arizona needs a okay,

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So they have a competent solution at quarterback, right with
with Delora is he great? No? Right? Because yeah, he spastic.
But if they can get enough players on defense and
some offensive line help, they are a problem, a major problem.

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Like that. I'm trying to take them from from oh
five game winner to eight game winner. Yeah, and I'm
excited because in the next week, you're gonna see a
bunch of people jump into the portal, which means that
the next time that we get together, Cord, we're gonna
know who the pactual champion is. We're gonna know the
Bowl invites, We're gonna do a team by team breakdown,
and we should have some awards for you. Next week's

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show is going to be fantastic. I cannot wait. Yes, sir,
I'm George Rice to He's Ralph Ampson and this is
the pack twelve Apostles