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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only
the Truth lives here. Twelve Apostles, Possiles, Pack twelve, Pack twelve.
I'm George Rice. There, he's Rob Amason, and this is

(00:21):
the Pact twelve Apostles. Now today, we have a lot
of good talk for you guys. Um, we're gonna review
week seven, preview week eight. And there's also a lot
of stuff going on in the conference that David Shaw
save his job. What's going on with the Big twelve contract?
How does that impact the PAC twelve, the Big ten

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maybe staying standing, pats O, Oregon and Washington maybe staying
put at least for a little bit. Um. It seems
like when, not if, but it's just when is the question.
And also Pack twelve reps back at it again, bro,
they and that's where we will start. So Ralph PAC
twelve refs have found a way to after the beginning

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of the season, making no noise, making no noise, and
they were like, oh, hold on, people, hold on, we
have something to say. And first off, before we even
get into the specific calls from the specific games, I
cannot stand the way PAC twelve, the just San Francisco

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in general, adjudicates these targeting penalties like they are watching
the game in San Francisco been been like, Oh, that's
that's targeting. That's targeting, and then they'll call it in
instead of letting the referees call it on the field,
because you know, if they call it in from San Francisco,
it is one going that player is going to be

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kicked out of the game. There they're the referees have
no uh, nothing to say about it because they clearly
didn't call it. So they're gonna be like, what what
what are you talking about? We saw and and they
need to be more like the cricket as SEC officials
because Pack twelve officials are bad. SEC officials are cricket.

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That's the difference. So and and people are in USC
fans in particular, we can't wait to go to the
Big Tent Bro. They scream about their officials too. The
PAC twelves are just worse. I think PAC twelve athletes
are genuinely lucky that this conference is like the number

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one conference for social justice initiatives, because if they were not,
I guarantee you every time there's a borderline targeting penalty,
you'd have these refs calling the cops arrested at midfield.
We are a little weird, certainly a little bit soft

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when it comes to targeting, and I get wanting to
protect the quarterbacks. I think it's extremely important. Um, but
the Pack twelve conference really and I don't know if
you can break it, break it down or have different
rules than other conferences, but genuinely we need a situation

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in which, like you've brought up many times, you can
separate targeting and personal fouls into levels. And then now
you're just asking for more more interpretation and nuance from
officials that have not proven that they're worthy to handle
the responsibilities they have. Now sometimes that's true, that will

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cut down on the on the ridiculous nous, or that
actually may start the conference to call more of them
and be like, well we'll just put it just targeting one. Well,
and then there are just there are a lot of
these penalties where I feel like, so take Emery Jones
when he slid got hit, they picked up the flag

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and then they reviewed it anyway, and then they kicked
that player out for for targeting. Obviously there was a
concussion on the play. It was serious. Um, But that
that used to be something different when you hit a
quarterback into their slide. Like, that's the type of thing
that that you do need to work to get rid
of because if you see a quarterback slide and you

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gotta let up. Later in that game, Michael Pennox Jr.
Gets sandwiched between two A s U defenders, one of
which is b J. Green, who is short and had
his head down and the impact created the targeting. I'm
cool if you want to throw him out for the
rest of the game that that penalty happened in the

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second half, But he's gonna turn around and he's gonna
miss the first half of the next game two weeks
from now for something that was clearly an accident. And
so you know, there's certain things that you need to eliminate.
If a quarterback is gonna slide, you gotta let him slide.
They change the rules so that the Kenny Pickett stuff
can't happen anymore, right, because that's just asking to get

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blown up. Uh, you don't want people going after the
quarterback's knees if if they don't have to. Um. But
this whole thing of interpreting whether or not you put
your weight on a quarterback after they hit the ground,
or whether they flew too far if you sacked them
by throwing them, you know, like it's happening in the
NFL right now, or if you just tried to run

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through them and your head is located in the same
place as their head, because you're both human beings and
you both have heads on top of your shoulders, and
there's no way to hit somebody without your head being
in the vicinity of their head. That's the type of
stuff that needs some extra adjudication. Oh my god, dude,
it is so clear when I look at Twitter after

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these targeting penalties or after a missed targeting, people are screwed.
I'm like, it's clear you have never played foot football.
They're like, lead with he's leading with his head. How
are you supposed to tackle people without leading with your
head first? It is literally impossible unless you are going
to get lead with your shoulder first. If you lead

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with your shoulder, what do you have to do. Your
head has to go down to lead with your shoulder like,
so that means your head is going to impact first,
or if it's on the side of him. But then
what happens when the defender ducks down. It's I'm sorry
the offensive player ducks down. It is there. There's something

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called cognitive negligence. What did you do to to put
yourself in harm's way? And sometimes offensive players duck down
and the defenders trying to do the right thing, and
then and then the best thing they get jammed up
over it. It's stupid. The best thing that you could
do is a defense right now is have somebody who
is four ft one nine pounds walk on and have

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your d tackle lineup next to them at the line
of scrimmage, pick them up, throw them over the offensive
line at the quarterback like a trevorsch or whatever they're
called like, just throw throw a tiny human at the
quarterback and hope that they don't hit head first, because

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I I don't know, I don't know, man, Bro, you
gotta put on the ground first. You gotta put a
pillow on the ground first, pick him up gently, gently,
sent him down, and it's wild. And then and so
I want to go to You know, if you instituted
those rules, cal would still find a way to get
their quarterback sacked ten times a game. Bro, You are rude.

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You are rude. Soul soul cat is gonna be mad
at you. Um, he know, he knows, he knows, all right,
So USC fans, I have a message to USC fans
who are crying about the Utah result. Stop you damn crying. Please,
it's it's not cute. It is not it. Bro. You

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lost the game because you lost the game. You didn't
score enough points and you didn't get enough stops. You
were up twenty one to seven in the first quarter,
and then you had two more operations and you were
cutting through Utah's defense. You had two more opportunities to
go up seven, and then Cam Rising throws a pick

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and it was roughing the pastor they called roughing the path.
Oh my gosh, we're being cheated. No, you're not. Pack
twelve reps are bad. Are you watching NFL games? They
can't get passing it. They can't get rough in the
pass it right either. These are things that happened in
the games. People like these are normal occurrences. And you
you said, it's like, I can't wait to leave this

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cranky conference. They are beneath us. We are going to
the victen. We are going to just be so much better.
Everything would be better when we have to play Ohio
State in Michigan and and people where we belong, because
we don't be long with those with these peons on
the West coast and and they are just bothering us.

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It is clear the conference does not want us to win.
And I'm like, you know, the problem with that perspective
is what if you're right. What if you're right that
there's some vendetta against you, then what the hell did
you expect to happen when you decided to bounce? What
if you're right and you're not, By the way, you're not.

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This is incompetence, It's not. It was like, here's the
you're blaming something else exactly. You were winning in the
fourth quarter and had so many opportunities. You only scored
fourteen points in the second half. You had plenty of
opportunities to score more points plenty so and you were

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up seven going into the fourth quarter. You cannot blame
the refs like stopping They think George Cleavcoff is out
here with the Buffalo wild Wings button deciding to try
to cost the conference money by having one of your
undefeated teams lose at Utah trust me, that's not what's happening.
They would. They would much like that you're gonna leave,

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he's over it. He's more worried about U c l
A at this point, like you're gonna leave, he's over it.
But he'll take your money. If you're gonna make money
for this conference, he'll certainly take it, and the conference
will certainly be better off. This is an issue. This
is an issue of incompetence, and it's really tough to
hear from USC fans who have benefited from this incompetence

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in the past. They really have, and everybody at this point,
I feel like has been on both sides of it.
I've seen Washington State beyond both sides of it. The
stakes were a lot higher when they got jobbed, uh
than when they got a fifth down against Arizona State
at the police remember that one, um, But like they
there have been issues of incompetence for years in the

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Pact twelve, and the officiating, even if it starts strong,
seems to break down over time. And I used to
think that it was because of stylistic differences, but now
every conference is dealing with the exact same thing, and
every conference has officiating issues, but they don't affect the
outcomes of games the way that these do. And I
will I will give at least Alabama fans have this

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after where the special score UH review to play for
Tennessee and was like touchdown and then after pumped his fist.
You're like, that's I don't know what you're doing, but
that's a bad look, homie. That is a bad look. Yeah.
I would just I would just say that, like, good

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riddance to USC. If you if you think that you
can go to another conference and and have things be
more fair, but you've benefited. You might not get the
benefits of the incompetence the way that you you do here. Um.
But yeah, well we'll get into the Utah USC thing.
I do think that the officiating issues affected the outcome,

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but that's that's part of the course you have. I
do not do the there were some The crazy card
part about it is that the officials in the Utah
USC game were so bad that even Utah fans during
during the game, we're like, we're being cheated, We're being cheated,
and USC fans are like, well, yeah, there were bad

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calls against him, but ours were more consequential like bro,
stop all right onto the rest of Week seven, though,
we had a couple of good games. So we will
start with that USC Utah game. Cam Rising through for
four hundred and fifteen yards and he ran four another sixty.

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He had five total touchdowns, the same as Caleb Williams did. Um. Yeah, dude.
Cam Rising showed in that game that he's an absolute stud. Bro,
that he's an a salute stud and yeah, and Caleb
Williams like his trickery in the backfield, like extending plays.

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I like it, but it feels like it happens way
too often, and it makes me wonder if he's seeing
the field as clearly as he needs to, or if
he's kind of waiting to for, you know, for that
breakdown stuff to happen, almost like Camera Award does, except
for he's much better than Camera Award. Yeah. I think

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one of USC's issues is they gotta find a way
to get the ball out of his hands quicker. They
have playmakers on the outside, let them let them make
some plays. Uh. They're showing a lot of faith either.
Their offense is not scheming people open. I mean, because
they clearly have talent on the outside. So they're they're
not scheming people open or Caleb Williams is not getting

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the ball out of his hand fast enough, because there's
no reason why there should be that many plays that
have to be extended that much every game, like like
that's unusual. Yeah, And I don't want to give Kayle
Williams too much grief because they scored forty two on
the road and city with an electric crowd that was
you know, sering uh Low and Jordan's and and it

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was you know, that's a really tough place to play.
I will say that my takeaway from this game is
USC is who we thought they were on offense and defense.
We've been talking all season about how they're gonna get
exposed on defense at some point, and uh Utah is
a tough place to play. It's it's a really tough

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place to play. There have been a lot of instances
in Kyle Whittingham's tenure where you think you get one
over on Utah early, but it just gives them the
opportunity to adjust. They will rope a dope you Utah
will They did it to a s U last year.
They were down like twenty one. Nothing at the half
came back and blew a s U out like they

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they do have the ability to make adjustments on the fly.
It was funny because in the first half they kept
showing Kyle Whittingham on the sideline and Cayleb Williams had
that man in hell like he was is the most
frustrated I have ever seen Kyle Whittingham on a sideline
because they were doing a lot of the right things,
but Cayleb Williams was just They couldn't do anything about

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him per se. But once they realized that USC was
getting banged up, they couldn't handle the physicality on defense
and they had no answer for Dalton Kincaid. When I
say no answering him sixteen kid, two hundred and thirty
four yards, bro, I mean, and I mean, and we're
not talking about like a dude that runs like Vernon Davis.

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We're talking about he's He was more of their blocking
tight end because Brent Keithy was that what was more
of their pass catcher. Now now it's clear Dalton Kincake
can run and catch catch passes, but that was like,
like that may turn him into a first rounder because
he because he showed that if you feed the meter.
The meter will keep moving, buddy, And well, he's got

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he's got the size. And what happened because of this
massive game that he had, which is what like sixteen
catches for two yards or something like that, smashed Utah records, Uh,
got him on the Blitnikoff watch list. With one game
he scored two touchdowns can say s. So it's not
like the first time he's gone off. But one of
the other things that that this helped do is it

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reminded people of something that happened back in April. And
I don't know if you're aware of this, George, but
an Alabama n I L collective offered Dalton Kinkaid one
million dollars to jump to Alabama while he was still
enrolled at Utah. This story unfolded in April and May
we didn't talk that much about it, but Mark Harlan, well, yeah,

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and so Cam Rising I remember laughing about it back
in April because Cam Rising posted one of those Tom
Brady Gronk videos that we ain't going like that, that
whole thing, we ain't going nowhere like. He posted that
video with Dalton Kincaid three days after the report broke
from Alabama's in because this was back like right when

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the Jordan Addison thing was happening where you are. USC's
and i'll collected was going around trying to get players
off of teams that they were currently on, and they
succeeded with Jordan Addison. So when Alabama saw that, like,
well USC can do it, then they try to do
it as well, which makes you know, savings whole free
cattle James million dollars. So did I was asked this
on I was on PAC twelve today on PAC twelve network,

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yesterday on PAC twelve Radio, and they asked me about this,
and they were like, did he make the right decision
after this week? And I was like, it depends. I
don't know how much Utah gave him. If he got
in between zero and a hundred thousand dollars from Utah,
he made the wrong decision, wrong decision if he got
in between. But but but if he got in between,

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you know, five hundred thousand dollars, around five hundred thousand dollars,
and he wanted to be in Utah, that was a
sound choice. Buddy. Well here here's here's one of the
other things that happened. Uh, Greg Byrne, the Alabama athletic director,
is the former University of Arizona athletic director. Him and

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Mark Harlan have known each other for a long time.
So when this happened, Mark calls Greg that that wasn't
happening in the pit USC situation where you could have
an A D two A D conversation saying like you
don't want to go down this road, like you need
to get your boosters under control. He's still on our roster.

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If you want that kind of smoke, like, go for it,
but we're gonna make this ugly. For some reason, Pitt
didn't have that level of cash a uh and that
level of relationship, you know, to to stop what was
going on, Like it doesn't matter because because you know
there were their work has made, there were public accusations

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and you have USC was like we don't care, we
do not care about what And what's funny is how
many players I knew we're headed in the USC before
they disenrolled. Like I'm a Wyoming fan, I knew where
Solomon Bird was going. I cover Arizona State and have
an Arizona State degree. Where do you think they're middle linebacker?

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Like came from like they they there are players in
the Pac twelve that say they were approached by n
I'LL collectives in southern California to make that jump. You're
witnessing USC right now have the struggle between the Boulevard
and the the n I L groups they don't control,

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knowing that it could get them in some hot water.
You've brought up on this podcast repeatedly that they might
be making some monetary promises that they don't need have
the ability to deliver on. Like they have a situation
that's super messy. We know that to be true. I'm
not saying it's wrong, but I am saying that it
gets you in a position where it's a lot harder
to feel sympathy for you when there's a holding play

(20:06):
on a two point version that came rising puts you
up two and you don't get that call. Yeah yeah,
So anyway, long story short, I think that that if
that relationship between Mark Carlon and Greg Byrne didn't exist,
then I think that maybe that goes down because a

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million dollars is a lot of money, and Jordan Adison
kind of sept the precedent for what you could pull
off I mean, they were saying that Addison was headed
to USC while he was still enrolled at pitt and
he was able to do it. So I don't know, man,
I think that, uh, I think that when you take
the fact that he had all those catches, the fact

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that he's going to be featured even more because of
Keith's injury and the Alabama story resurfacing um in the
wake of the stuff that happened between Jim and Saban,
and they say it's making Saman look like a hypocrite.
But Saban wasn't saying that he didn't want to buy players.
He was saying that Texas A and M is doing
it and we're not doing it yet, so we need

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(21:33):
think we're gonna get any from USC fans. What are
you talking about there? There are some reasonable USC fans
out there that are like, Okay, they're telling the truth.
They're telling the truth. You can go to other podcasts
and they will just blow smoke up your ass. And
he's be like, yes, the refs cost us the game. Nah, man,

(21:54):
we cost ourselves the game. Like, yes, the refs weren't bad.
It would have been for us if USC had won
that game. So I don't know what. I don't know
what anybody's talking about here. Um, and they should have
they had control of it for dude. Dude. When I
was watching the game with my wife, she was like,

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so she knew. She she asked me. She was like, oh,
actually I brought up I said USC lost. She was
like really to to to Utah. I was like yeah,
and she was like, oh, I want to watch it.
And then we're in the first quarter. She was like, George,
you lied to me. There's no way they lost this game.
That's what she said. At the end of the first quarter,
she was like, George, they can't stop them, did okay, George,

(22:39):
Caleb Williams got got got hurt right? Nope? Wait, hold
on that quarterback, that quarterback right there that they cannot
stop finished the game and they lost. I was like yes,
and in heartbreaking fashion, she was like, oh, sign me up, buddy,
I'm watching this whole game. Yeah, and for anybody who

(23:01):
thought that Lincoln Riley was untouchable, this is some Big
twelve stuff. This was like the criticism that he got
while he was at Oklahoma is because he'd have one
of these games a year. Yeah, and it would it
would kind of break down over time, but usually they
get those wins. It would be like a two in
favor of Oklahoma. Right, But that's when people talking about
Big twelve football. This is exactly what they're talking about.

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And now you know, Texas and Oklahoma are gonna leave
the Big twelve and they're gonna leave you with Iowa
State scoring fifteen points a game the new SEC. But
that's another subject for another podcast. Hey, as bad as
Iowa State it is on offense, I was worse, which
is crazy. But um, they're they're the If you guys
need to know what's going on in Iowa, go look

(23:45):
on YouTube. Um on the YouTube page at George Rice
stir Um talking about what's going on there, the nepotism
there that is ruining their entire franchise in school. Oh
and also I think I think I think I told
you to row their director of recruiting is the son
in law too? How many pack twelve teams do we

(24:08):
have right now where there's like family members on staff,
where like the kids are are helping out. Uh not
at Oregon. Um well those all of those kids are
like five years older. You got a young staff. It
ain't posible for him, probably maybe like three or four chips.

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And Chip Kelly's nepotism is more like old school football,
like I don't want any new friends. I'm an old man.
He's like, no new no new friends. All right, Um,
now onto the game. Well, actually, let's let's finish up
because we were talking about this game. Um, this was
a so Eric Gentry went out of that game, the

(24:56):
seven ft twelve linebacker for USC. He went out of
the game after having you know, eight tackles, well eight
solo tackles, nine tackles. I was not impressed. I have
to be honest. I actually thought Utah's defense would be
able to scheme better against USC, and they did get

(25:16):
some timely stops, but they didn't. But they just couldn't
get stops in general. And USC with the way Caleb
Williams holds the ball back there, and I don't want
to sound like I'm just criticizing it because the kid
is fantastic, Like he's a good game manager, he's a
greater eracer, Like when stuff goes wrong, he's able to
erase it. I just don't understand why USC can't play

(25:39):
play on time more. I mean, yeah, yeah, So so
if this team played, if this game was played and
at the coliseum instead of in Rice Echoes, do you
think there would have been a different result? Yes, yeah,

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I think I think the energy of that place was helpful.
And and also like, there are six teams in the
Pack twelve right now, George that are still undefeated at
home halfway through the season. Home field in the Pack
twelve is huge. There are eight teams in the Pack
twelve that have a losing record on the road. Really

(26:19):
like that. Yes, there are eight teams in the Pack
twelve right now that have a losing record on the road,
and six teams in the Pack twelve that don't just
have a winning record but are undefeated. I think it.
I think it matters in that we can't even quantify
so oregons to u C. L As want to oh
on the road you see of U s C S

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two and one Oregons two and oh Oregon States too,
and one Utah's one and two they lost at Florida
and at u c l A Washington zo into Colorado, UM,
Colorado Cow oh and three Arizona State owing to Washington

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State in Arizona and stand for all one and two
on the road. Damn yeah, you can you play away
from home, right and and and look at the look
at the like home road split of a team like
Cal Yeah yeah. And they don't really even have that
bunch of an advantage in Berkeley. It's not like it's

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not like that place is rocking. So it just it's
a weird feature of the PAC twelve where your home
stadium gives you a huge boost. And it is a
long travel distance for anybody. I mean, it's I'm out
here in North Carolina and like the number of times

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that University of North Carolina or Wake Forest or Clemson
or South Carolina around me have to travel to what
would be the equivalent of eleven or twelve hours driving
the way that Arizona and Utah or fourteen hours like
University of Arizona and Utah. It maybe once a year
in conference, maybe once. And that's like the minimum distance
that you go in the Pact twelve. So I just

(28:11):
think that it's you know, it is not it's it's
not going to be helpful for USC and U c
l A to be in the Big ten. If they
think the travel stuff is hard now, it's only gonna
get harder. They're only gonna have an even bigger home
road split over time. I guarantee it all. Right. Now,
you mentioned Cal, and now Cal has the worst loss imaginable.

(28:35):
They lost to Colorado. First thing, they let Colorado scored
twenty points. Second thing, they only scored thirteen points against Colorado.
Cola freaking rodo. Yeah, with the same offensive coordinator who's
now the acting head coach, the interim head coach. This

(28:58):
is a dude, Colorado. They may give him the job now,
and if they give him the job, they'll be looking
for another head coach in two years. That's not funny
at all. Okay, so that's not even funny. That's not
even funny to joke about. Colorado scored one touchdown in

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regulation one and one one touchdown in regulation. They scored
thirteen total points and you couldn't manage more than thirteen
points against a mess of a defense, a mess of
a defense. This is by far probably I mean, like,

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how quantified this for a three and three team? How
bad this loss is for Colorado? It's terrible, honestly like it.
It could ultimately cost them Boil eligibility, It could cost
them in recruiting. And here's why. You dropped back to

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pass with Jack Plumber fifty five times on the road
against Colorado and you came away with two hundred sixty
two yards and one touchdown. He dropped back fifty five times.
Do you know how many carries that their running backs
had in this game? Eighteen? The split was fifty five

(30:39):
to eighteen against Colorado. I don't care. Somebody somebody pointed
out when I said that, like it is, this eighteen
split is criminal and should cost people their jobs. And
people were like, well, they were shutting down the run.
Who cares? Who cares? You can't run the ball against Colorado? You, yeah,

(31:00):
you keep running the ball. You don't have a three
to one ratio in a tie game, ye, dear God.
And the first half of this game was just unwatchable.
You gave Colorado every opportunity for their home crowd to
stick around. J T. Shrout came in and he made

(31:21):
a couple of nice throws. You had to know that
this is a This is a the one thing that
you can guarantee an interim coach will do in his
first appearance. Guarantee is run a trick play yep, guarantee
Jordan Tyson completes the thirty seven yard past. He's a
wide receiver. You they let Montaniel Alimonious Craig, who we

(31:42):
said before the season, he's their best player. The one
chance Colorado has to do anything is to get the
ball to Montanelimonious Craig. Guess what, eight catches Hunter ninteen yards,
one touchdown. So they're one star, has a star performance.
And it wasn't even like comparatively to the rest of
the act. Well it was. It is a kind of
a good game, and that's enough to beat you. The

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defense has to be so mad at the offense. Right now, Okay,
can can consider this that after the game, Okay, after
their game, Colorado is averaging fourteen points per game. That's
after scoring twenty. They are still even after not uh

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Colban under this, they are still lasting the back twelve.
In total defense, they're giving up almost five d yards
a game. They are lasting scoring defense, even after this
game where they only gave up thirteen giving up thirty
eight points per game, Like it makes and it makes
zero sense, bro, zero sense how this has gone. I

(32:53):
mean when when you look at their uh, they're rushing defense, Colorado,
even after the game has by they are the worst
rushing defense in the pack twelve by fifty yards per
game fifty they're giving up two hundred and fifty one
yards per game rushing. Now, next week when Oregon plays Caw,

(33:17):
how many of yards do you think they're gonna rush
for when Oregon plays Cal next week, next Friday, I
think it'd be I think it'd be fair to set
the over under it like one sixty at one sixty.
Dude has the best rushing offense in the conference. They're

(33:41):
gonna rush for. So Oregon averages two hundred forty one
yards rushing per game. Cal gives up to fifty one
a game. I'm sorry, color I'm sorry Colorado. I screwed
everything up. You're talking about Colorado? Are you talking about Colorado? Yeah? No,
that's gonna be bad. They may rust for three thousand
member us for four and fifty yards, but the but

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The whole point is, caw, how could you not rush
the ball against them? Like? It makes no sense because Cal? Well, well,
I guess could be because Cal only averages a hundred
and twenty eight rush yards per game and they are
third worst in the conference, so that may be. Why
how can you let Colorado dictate your game plan? No idea, bro?

(34:31):
And how are you in a situation to be kicking
to fifty yard field goals early in the game? You
miss them both? Yeah, it was. It was brutal. There's
no excuses for what happened. And I don't care what
low mumble stuff Justin Wilcox has to say, Uh what

(34:55):
emotionless drivel comes out of his mouth? He's throwing the
He's in a way you can't lose to Colorado. Like,
so you're telling me Colorado is better than University of Arizona. Wow, No, no,
they are not. And now, and here's the thing is
that would have given CAL four wins, right, four wins

(35:20):
they would have needed to left to get the Bowl eligibility.
Now Cal has left on and and with Oregon State
and Stanford still left under schedule, that was a possibility, right,
a possibility. But now with Washington, Oregon. You actually tell
tell me where they could find a win. Okay, they

(35:43):
have Washington left. Is that a potential win? No? No,
because Washington, even as bad as their defense is, uh,
they can score points. They're gonna put up forty points,
so uh and you can't score that many. So sorry.
Are they gonna beat Oregon? Are they gonna be usc No?

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Is it possible for them to beat Oregon State? Yes?
Where is that game at Oregon State? No? No, one? Okay, Stanford?
Can they beat Stanford? Maybe? Can they beat U c
l A. No? Okay, So there are only possibilities for

(36:35):
bowl games, whereas to beat Colorado, which is supposed to
be a layup, and then you get Oregon State and
Stanford and then you're at six and six and you're fine, right,
But now it is very possible that they have won
their last game of the season. That they won their
last game of the season in Week one to three

(36:56):
four against Arizona. Justin Wilcox, who just got a new contract.
Will will he survive a four win season there? Because
there are no excuses, there's no COVID, there's no restrictions,
none of that stuff. Will he survive with four wins.
I think yeah, because I think Cal's got themselves into

(37:16):
like battered wife syndrome right where they're like, who's gonna
want us? You know, and that that's got them like
just entrenched with Justin Wilcox, which which sometimes there's a
good result, but when you're when you're watching um Sunny
Dikes have the success that he's having right now, and
you're like, oh wow, we moved on from that for

(37:37):
this so that our defense could do its job and
hold Colorado to thirteen points and regulation and our offense
could also only score thirteen ft. I hope this defense.
I hope jackson sermon is ruining lives in practice this week.
I hope the defense isn't even talking to the offense.

(37:59):
I hope that locker room is so toxic. I told
you woke up in a bad mood. I just it it.
It was embarrassing. It's embarrassing. And I know that the
conference cannibalizes itself. I know the home field advantage matters.
I know that teams get energized every time they fire
a head coach that was just in it for the
buyout anyway. But Colorado didn't do anything different. Nope, they

(38:22):
still still there were just thirteen points. They still had
three players throw passes, They still average less than four
yards to carry, They still gave up eight tackles for
a loss. They still had in the outfield game like
like this is like this was not even oh oh
my god. They came out and they just pushed us

(38:43):
in the in the mouth. They hit us with a
couple of trick plays. We fumbled, they picked it up.
You know, they got a punt return. No, no, thirteen
points Like you say, oh, the Colorado played well. Colorado
gave up an average of fourteen yards a return on
five points. Even their special team just trash. And it
wasn't like that's buoyed by one long part return. They

(39:04):
were all long, every single one of them. Yea, the
two field goals that Cal actually made, we're from inside
to twenty. I just, oh my god, dude, I talked
to A. Killed them on defense, killed them. Make it
even worse. And to make it even worse, Colorado turned

(39:29):
the ball over three times. Yes, they they fumbled, they
lost two fumbles and throw a pig. Yeah, and Cal
decided to take those opportunities and throw the ball fifty
five times. Hey, hey, We're gonna show them we can

(39:51):
throw it. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Arizona Washington. I felt good that this this game went
exactly how I thought it was going to go. Washington

(40:14):
scoring a bunch of points, Arizona scoring a bunch of points,
just just not enough. I didn't think that that line
was appropriate at like thirteen or fourteen, what whatever it was.
I thought it was gonna be a ten point victory
for thirty nine, right and right in the wheelhouse, buddy,
right in the wheelhouse. Um, Jaden Delord twenty five or
thirty four, four hundred yards, four touchdowns, and that's what

(40:39):
I expected against Washington's defense and Michael pennockx Jr. Five
hundred and sixteen yards and four touch that was dude.
He is assaulting the Washington record books right now, assaulting it.
Klin de Board deserves all types of credit for what
he's doing with this offense. But this defense, on the

(41:00):
the hand, bro they are leaky as hell. They're leaky
as hell, but also they had the So this was
a fourteen seven game. With four minutes left in the
first half, Washington was doing some stuff, Arizona started to
figure it out, and then Arizona had quite possibly the

(41:23):
dumbest sequence I've ever seen, and then the game was over.
So the game is tied fourteen fourteen with two minutes
and thirty seconds left. Not only is Arizona in this game,
they actually looked like a couple of bad play calls
on offense away from actually having a lead at half.
They kicked the ball off to Washington with two minutes

(41:45):
and thirty seconds left. They don't bliss once. They dropped
seven into coverage every time, and they give up like
eight ten yard completions in a row. Washington scores a
touchdown with eight seconds left in the half, so it's
nothing in Arizona can do. Arizona has to kick off
to Washington. They on site it, which is like the ultimate,

(42:07):
like we don't trust our defense even though your defense
had held up relatively well. They gave up three yards passing. Yes,
they held up relatively well till there was about and
and it was all coaching. It was all like, hey,
let's play pre event, like We're up fourteen with two
minutes left. No, you are not put some pressure on
the quarterback. So Washington gets the ball at the fifty

(42:34):
and Arizona is like, let's blitz and they line up
in like a three three five and they don't disguise
it at all, not at all, and Panics goes over
the top to Roman Dunz for a touchdown and the game.

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Even though what like eight more touchdowns were scored after that,
the game was over, Arizona never stopped anything else Washington.
Washington's defense really kind of broke down to the fourth quarter.
They gave up fifteen points, but like, oh my god,
play like try at least on defense. And then jet

(43:15):
Fish was questioned about his defense after the game, and
some of the stuff he was saying was like grow up, dude,
Like grow up, Peter pan grow up bro. But it was.
Jet Fish was asked about it after the game and
he's like, well, that's just college football right now, Tennessee Alabama.
So we're just gonna have to score more points. Like, no,

(43:37):
you're gonna have to. You do have not be so soft,
you do. He's right in that points are at a
premium that if you are a team that can score points,
you're gonna have a chance. But the other problem is
you have to be able to get some stops, Like,
you have to be able to get some stops. That way,
the way you're scoring can put you up other Otherwise

(44:01):
you're you're at a stand still. You're like touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Let's let's get one stop a game, No, bro, you
need about four. If you can get four to five
stops a game and don't let the end, and that's
not even a good defense. Like, if you're like a
solid defense, four to five stops a game, and then

(44:21):
that will put you in a position if you have
a great offense to win. All I'm saying is if
you're gonna drop seven into coverage every single time, and
the Washington offensive line is feasting, feasting on you, they
were prepared for every single and then every single like
stunt was like elongated and took forever. Uh, Michael Pennox

(44:44):
navigated the pocket really well. It was just embarrassing. Right,
they had no pass rush whatsoever. If you're gonna drop
seven and keep everything in front of you and you're
gonna watch him get ten yards at a time and
just take exactly what you give and then the second
you make one adjustment, he goes over the top. If
that's gonna keep happening, don't even worry about a pass
for us, drop elevin yea, do something different. He was

(45:08):
embarrassing and like the stuff Jeff Fish was saying after
the game just doesn't make any It doesn't make any
sense to me, because he was pointing to the USC
Utah game being two like people were making plays on defense.
People were making plays in the Alabama game. They were
making plays, and you're also talking about having some of

(45:28):
the best athletes in the world. But you're also gonna
you you have to look at what happened with Cal Colorado,
you have to look at what happened with Stanford Notre Dame,
like you have to be able to stop somebody on defense.
At this point, I think Arizona has had some of
the best offensive performances in a loss of the season. Right.

(45:52):
They put thirty one up against Cal and lost by
three touchdowns. They they put thirty nine up against Washington
in in a three score loss. They put a ton
of yardage up on the board against Oregon in Mississippi
State and both of those games with three touchdown losses. No, no,
you have to play defense because you can't depend on

(46:12):
your offense to drop forty every single game. Yep, you
are right about that. And Arizona this could have been
an opportunity. Actually no, because I don't think that they
were gonna win this game. But they do have three
wins already. Arizona does have three wins already with Oh

(46:33):
Lord have mercy? Oh yuck. Well, they're not making with
three ranked teams the Territorial Cup and Washington State left.
Best case scenario they get five wins, best case three wins.
Three wins with a killer offense is an improvement, but

(46:54):
it doesn't feel like an improvement. But in the season
with one, six, seven straight, law, that'll just feel like
one all over again. They they have to get. If
they can get Washington State in the Territorial Cup with
Arizona State, they will be in good shape, like like
five five. A bowl game for them right now is tough.

(47:18):
Oh yeah, you can't even imagine a bowl game at
this point. The dude, there is no way they beat
usc Utah or u c l A, no way, which
which which team would you give them the best shot
of beating out those I would say USC. I would too,

(47:42):
because one it's at home and to like you said,
USC could play themselves into a to a game. Yeah,
I just don't don't trust USC on defense at all.
But I do trust Lincoln Riley Moore than I trust
jet Fish right now. Um, but I would say, of
those three games, because if Zach Charmon is still healthy,

(48:07):
would you go to UH to U c l A
on November twelve? When who knows U c l A
could be undefeated in the top five team in the
country at that point that Nope, it could be. The
possibility still exists. No, actually doesn't. It absolutely doesn't know
dot alright, okay, uh the next game up, um as

(48:34):
Stanford Notre Dame. This game left me so conflicted, so
so conflicted because, on one hand, so black coaches, it
is hard for them to get jobs. David Charles had
a job for a very long time. I don't know
how long he's gonna have this job with the way
that Stanford is performing, unless he makes some massive staff

(48:55):
and you know, philosophy changes. I think that Stanford will
stick with him if he's like, all right, bro, we're
gonna we're gonna be make some drastic changes, you know
what I mean. I'm gonna give up the play calling
and we're gonna do something a little bit different around
his joint. They don't need they need to introduce a
degree program at Stanford that is a six year bachelor's

(49:17):
That's what they need to do. Yep. The way they
can keep their older guys so they can rent shirt
some people. Yeah, because they're not going to change emission standards.
They need to and they're not going to change to
you just you just have to keep the guys for
their for their fifth year there. It's possible that if
you can, if you can maybe change portal standards, like

(49:40):
somebody can enter on academic probation, that maybe they'll be
able to participate in the portal. But right now they
can't participate in the portal. They can't participate with grad transfers,
they can't go all over the country and hand pick
their their recruits because of academic restrictions. Um. They I'm
sure have philosophies about n I L that are going
to be a little behind the times. Um, it's weird.

(50:03):
Do you ever hear anybody and you'll laugh about this
because I know I know you and I know your family,
but you do you ever hear people go on long
rants about how like landlords are evil? Yes, like how
like like how but first of all, no, nobody likes
the landlord or whatever, But like, but how like we
need to live in a more egalitarian society. Nobody should
have private property ownership, like everybody should be able to

(50:24):
participate in the in in the market in a way
that guarantees housing. Like you're listening to people go on
these long rants, and a lot of it makes sense,
and a lot of it points to what would be
a more fair and better society. But at the end
of it, you're like, Okay, cool speech. I gotta go
pay my rent, though, because that's not how the world works.
That's a cool idea, but that's not the world we

(50:47):
actually live in. That's how I feel about everything David
Shaw says. Everything David Shaw says is like, man, I
you know what, I think you have college football's best
interest in mind. I think you want a more fair
and equitable situation for everybody involved. Um, I can even
check this transferportal real quick, because we need help on
the D line. And our our backup quarterback bound. So

(51:09):
we got somebody point. Oh, I know somebody has a
three point eight three point nine somewhere at their school
that wants to go to Stanford and finished with a
Stanford degree. I know, I know it's somebody out there alright.
So Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame's head coach. The reason why

(51:29):
I was conflicted in this game because like, I don't
want him to get fired. I don't want him to
get fired. He just got this job there three fan
get fired after one year. Bro, Notre Notre Dame is
a special place, Bro, and I don't think they this year.
But like he's a Catholic now, Bro, it's just not

(51:53):
a good like like his seat went from oh we're
so happy to have him to inferno bro in in
six weeks. I get that Notre Dame special, but that's
just not like you gotta right now, then take that

(52:13):
angst down on Brian Kelly, who abandoned you created this
situation in the first place. Let Marcus Freeman build up
what he's gonna build and maybe get an offensive coordinator
in there that doesn't look like he's about to have
a stroke. But you got a credit Stanford in this game, though,
would you agree that seven out of the last eight quarters,
Stanford's defense has really looked like they were putting the

(52:39):
effort in. They might not have the most talent, but
they put in a ton of work seven out of
the last eight quarters. Of course, that eight quarter is
the fourth quarter against Oregon State and they lost that game.
But I wouldn't say things are trending up. But it's
a it's it's positive. Right lost his aim after beating Cow,

(53:02):
beating North Carolina, beating b y U. How did they
lose to Stanford? Like, it makes no sense? It was
sixteen to fourteen. I thought they fell in love with
the idea of chunk plays and they had a lot
of third down incompletions. That that was kind of the
way that I that I looked at it because they

(53:23):
they were averaging four and a half yards to carry.
Stanford could not run the ball at all in this No,
but they also didn't get rushes for ninety one yards.
Philkins rand the ball thirty two times for ninety one yards.
He was just two eight yards and carry. That was
that Edgar and James with the Cardinals stat line like

(53:46):
and we got him to a hundred yards, but he
carried it thirty six times. Um. They also uh and
unfortunately they had some They got some players banged up
because Notre Dame is a very physical team. But they
got Michael Wilson involved. He's probably out for the season now. Um.
They got Michael Wilson involved. They got Bryson Tremaine involved.
Benjamin you're a SEC had a costly fumble, but he

(54:07):
made a couple of really good plays. The passing game
looked really good for Stanford in this game. And I
still I'm a I'm a believer in God. Stop. Oh
I am stopped with the Tanner McKee. He is he
is Davis Mills Light. Davis Mills is a starting NFL
quarterback for now, what is your standard for quarterback play?

(54:28):
He is Davis. He's Davis Mills Light. He's the He's
the dollar store Davis Mills. I don't know about that.
He doesn't make a ton of bad decisions. They just run.
They And what's funny is he's actually kind of athletic. No, no,
he's not. He is not athletic. He is he is.

(54:50):
He is, dude. He runs like he has uh two.
Don Joey's on his knees and and and uh he
met shoes. He runs like Payton planning. What what are
you supposed to do out of a slow mesh if
you're not if you if you don't have that nas acceleration,

(55:13):
what are you supposed to do? I covered him in
high school. He could run. He could run. It's just
that they're not in a situation where they're gonna have
him run. He would look more athletic if he was
able to work the pocket like Michael Panics instead of
just he just stands. Yes, he can't move because quarterbacks

(55:33):
get out of the way. He can't get out of
Ralph if you were rushing, he couldn't avoid you. If
you were rushing. The play call is don't move canner,
that's the play call. And but but on drop back passes,
he just stands, stands back there, and he's just like, oh, oh,
I'm gonna die, like bro stop all right? Well, okay,

(55:55):
so is this enough? Though Stanford is now UM two
and four, Lord have mercies. Team is bad. Goodness, gracious,
they have games left against They have reached a part
of the season where their best players get hurt. They
get to this point every single year where they start

(56:17):
to figure things out on the coaching end, and then
you have to subtract all their best players, their best
receivers out, their best running backs out. It's a matter
of time before they lose Tanner McKee the way that
they use him. They they are experience. I think they
lost their best offensive lineman as well. They are at
the point of the season where even if their coaches
know what they're doing, they're doing it with third stringers

(56:38):
all right, Arizonas they have Arizona State, U c l A,
Washington State, Utah Cal, and b y You left are
they can they make a ball game? They can? They can't.
They they definitely can't. Will they do it? No? No,

(56:58):
they don't have to go three or three. They gotta
go four and two. Oh god, no, they're screwed. I
mean they can't. See. See, here's the thing is, they
can beat Arizona State, Washington State, Cow, and b y U.
They can beat all of those teams, right, But the
chance of them getting it right four times? Nope? Nope, yeah, nope.

(57:22):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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from last weekend was UM Oregon State Washington State. Oregon

(57:43):
State twenty four Washington State ten. And I didn't understand
this game, Ralph, when I was watching it, because I
didn't see the very beginning right and then I and
so the first thing I did was looked at the
stats because I really start following about halftime. And then
I went back and watched the beginning after the when

(58:07):
I when I first popped in on the stats, UM,
it was what about halftime, Oregon State was up ten
to three and I looked in camera ward had like
two somebody yards passing. I couldn't understand how Washington State
hadn't scored any points. And then as it got deeper

(58:29):
and deeper, I was like, hold up, Washington State ran
the ball? When when when I looked back at the
game and about the middle of the third the middle
of the fourth quarter, I was like, they haven't run
the ball. They have not run the football. And then
when after the game was like they ran the ball
nine times without their quarterback nine times, like they were

(58:53):
worse than cow. Nine total run plays do you know
how easy that makes it on the defense, They're like, oh,
pass covers the defensive corners like, oh, well, okay, let
me let me pull out my handy dandy play sheet here.
Oh past d yep, past defense. Passed down first and ten,

(59:18):
passed down third and third and one, pass down fourth
and fourth and sixteen. Oh no, sorry, fourth and one,
passed down fourth and inches, pass down. Everything was a
pass down. That makes you super easy to defend. Yes,
it does. They ran the ball I think twice in

(59:47):
the fourth quarter. It was both with Dylan Payne. So
I don't know. I don't know if their boy got
hurt or or what, but those are Dylan pains only
two carries. They ran the ball on first down. Uh,

(01:00:10):
not at all in the entire second half. No, they
ran the ball on first down on the first play
of the second half. They did not do it again
after that. It was in completion and completion, incompletion, in completion,
and then on the final drive eleven yard passed to
Ryan Peters. They ran eleven place for sixty seven yards,

(01:00:31):
had a turnover on down which included one, two, three,
four incomplete passes. Yep, I want to read you something George.
This is Washington State head football coach and enormous liar
Jake Dickert back in April, Your big man, he's a liar.

(01:00:58):
Running the ball is a mentality and a mindset that
we will always have. We will run the ball. That's
something I've told the team multiple, multiple multiple times, coach
Jake Dickard said after a spring camp practice last week.
That's a mentality and a mindset that we will always
have in this program. This is a take what they

(01:01:19):
give offense, said offensive coordinator um Eric Morris. Uh with
the run pass option, it just depends on the defense.
See see they see they told you, Ralph, they told

(01:01:40):
you what. They told you. What it what it is
man that they are making a But no, on a
serious note, he's gonna have to re revisit that because
hopefully somebody on his staff is like, hold on, hold on, player,
hold on, that was not it, Bro, that was not
it at all. We have to run the ball. And

(01:02:03):
and yeah, and I freaked out. What I freaked out
about a fifty to eighteen past run split right with
cal This was a sixty to fourteen pass run split
in a game that was uh hey, hold on, hold
on and remember where he said running the ball is

(01:02:26):
a mentality and all that stuff. Who is last in
the pack twelve in rushing? Uh, I'm assuming that's Washington
States the state at eighty nine yards a game. They're
they're putting up Mike Leach numbers. And and if running
the ball is a mentality, they have twenty less run

(01:02:49):
attempts then the next lowest, which is Colorado. So they
have a hundred and seventy four total rush attempts in
seven games. So let me pull out my hand. Jenkins,
Jalen Jenkins, They're running back is probably leading the entire
conference in yards per carry for anybody who has at

(01:03:10):
least forty carries, is my guess, because he's getting seven
yards every time he touched the ball. Utah is averaging
thirty eight rushing yard rushing attempts per game, the most
in the conference. Well, actually the well they have two
hundred and seventy attempts, which is oh wait no, that's
the second most in the conference. Uh, Oregon State has

(01:03:33):
to seventy one. So yeah, so they're averaging both averaging
thirty eight yard thirty eight carries a game. While Colin
while UM Washington State is averaging twenty four per game. Actually, Cow,
Cow might even be worse because they have a hundred
eighty two divided by six. Nope, Nope, they are not worse.

(01:03:57):
Jalen Jenkins had five carries for forty three yards in
the first half. Five carries for yards, so I had
one for negative one in the second half. Nice, nice
he got it was then it was the first touch
and then I don't know if he got injured, but
he never got the ball again. Hey, they didn't. They

(01:04:18):
didn't give it to anybody body else because Dylan Paine
only had three carries, so he was just like, we're
not well. In his final two carries were on the
last two drives of the game. Almost there. They ran
the ball on like third down on their last drive
of the game. Whatever. They lied their liars, Yeah they lied.
They haven't run the ball all season, so yes, So

(01:04:41):
running the ball is a mentality and mindset that we
will always have, always needs like a big F and
asterisk next to it. Okay, so now and then under
the athletic should say never. So Ken Washington State make
a bowl game though, because that'll salvage the season. They
play Utah this upcome a week. Yeah, uh no. They

(01:05:03):
play Utah next Thursday and they're gonna lose that game.
Then they play at Stanford, Arizona, State, Arizona at Arizona
and Washington. Can they win two with two of those games? Yeah?
They They will probably win three of those games. Don't
make a Bowl. They'll be liars at the Bull Game

(01:05:24):
where they get blown out, but they'll be representing us
in Las Vegas. I'm I'm just frustrated because they they
have the opportunity to be much better. Um USC obviously
can't defend the run, and they like they just they're
blowing opportunities. They're not who they said they were going
to be. This is just another air raid team. There

(01:05:46):
is no difference. This is no difference what we're seeing
from them than what we saw from Mike Lee to Rolovich.
There's nothing different, nothing at all. This is not a
power running team like Lincoln Riley does his version of
the air rate. Nope, not at all. Now the question
is does Oregon State have a quarterback with bing Go Branson. No,

(01:06:09):
not yet, he's chance. No like they like they like
this two spider man each other. They're the same guy.
He'll drop a dime every once in a while. He
definitely did last two weeks ago. Um not his final
touchdown pass against Stanford to win the game that was

(01:06:31):
I don't know what that was, but he he did
drop a dime earlier in that game. He just is young.
I don't think he's the guy, but he could be
good for them. He's the type of quarterback that would
be good if every piece around him was great. But
at Oregon State you don't get that. You have to
have everything sort of was so a quarterback. Oregon State

(01:06:53):
needs a quarterback to elevate what they're doing. Oregon State
needs like a Jake Hayner type or or Michael Panics
to to transfer in. Somebody out there, some quarterback dad
that you know makes every decision for their son needs
to say like, hey, if you want to stand out

(01:07:13):
and you're you know, third in line at Florida or
something like that, get out to Corvallis. You know, but
everybody everybody wants to uh, you know, nobody wants to
be on pac twelve network at nine thirty Pacific kickoff,
you know, because they But I promise you look at
the number of quarterbacks in Oregon State has put into

(01:07:35):
the NFL, they will find you. You don't have to
be on ESPN, you don't have to be UM on
the A C C network or whatever you you, you
don't have to I just it shouldn't be this hard
for Oregon State to find a quarterback that that is exciting,
um and which makes me wonder if a decision. It

(01:07:56):
makes me wonder if if decisions like the one that
airs on a state made this we to say that,
you know, Emery Jones is the guy. If there isn't
a guy like Trenton boorg Ay who could go up
to Corvallis and and take that offense to the next level. Yep, exactly. Now,
Now the games this week, now, um, we have some

(01:08:21):
interesting well well actually, before we get into the games
this week, the conference realignment stuff quickly is interesting because
the Big twelve is talking about that they're going to
announce a new TV contract between UH in the next
week or so. That could mean bad news for the

(01:08:42):
Pac twelve too, because depending on how those numbers look
and if it's set up like a Big ten deal
like oh, if you add more more teams, pot goes up,
blah blah blah. Are you gonna have Arizona and Arizona State,
which I think are more likely to defect then Colorado.
And actually, but then Colorado feels like it belongs in

(01:09:05):
the Big twelve anyway. Um, are they more likely to
defect if the money switches up because because it doesn't
increase travel like something stupid aside from the West Virginia trip. Yeah,
not for the corner schools. It doesn't like. Here's the deal.
If if the Pact twelve blew their negotiations with ESPN

(01:09:33):
and Fox to the point where ESPN and Fox are saying, fine,
we're gonna coordinate with the Big twelve to just bring
some of your teams in, then that spells trouble because
Colorado has never felt at home in this conference. Utah
doesn't care where they play as long as they can
maximize their their potential. And I think that University of

(01:09:58):
Arizona is open to the idea of weaving. So that's
three right there. You can use that to peer pressure
Arizona State into the into that situation, and then yeah,
that probably kills the Pack twelve unless they're willing to
just replenish with the four California. Unless the PAC twelve
is willing to do to the Mountain West what the
Big twelve is doing to the Pack twelve. But then

(01:10:19):
that's going to be a diluted product. But here's the
Amazon is now three or four weeks into their football experiment. Um,
it's just they're learning, going okay, they're they're they're learning
on the fly. They are learning on the fly. But
the Pack twelve has a whole network that they can

(01:10:39):
offer Amazon in conjunction with a partnership. Amazon just brought
in uh black Friday football, which hate it. But that
shows you that Amazon serious right about about having a
football products and that's strategic. That's just giving people a

(01:11:00):
reason to to to stay home. We'll just order it
off Amazon exactly exactly. Um, but I think that I
think I think Amazon could still keep the Pack twelve
alive in some form and use that as there because

(01:11:21):
the Pack twelve is without a home for its future contracts, right,
so you know, and what what would that mean? That
would mean m possibly Washington and Oregon as a cornerstone
of maybe a short term deal before Washington and Oregon
go off to do whatever they're gonna do next. Um,

(01:11:41):
but I don't I don't see Oregon going to the
Big twelve, do you know. No, I don't see Washington
and Oregon going to the Big twelve at all. I
think it's either Big ten or if something crazy happens
with this SEC expansion, because I actually think that they're
both going to be in the in the Big ten
in it, I think it's still early. They want to

(01:12:03):
see how all of this is going to work, and
then you're gonna have some more changes after because they
got to figure out how they're gonna do everything for
three first and then and I think that this time
next year, both because because I don't think that either
school wants to have a long runway to going like that.

(01:12:26):
They just want to be like, all right, cool, we're
out piece you as opposed to having to stay there
because they see what it's done to other you know
what I mean around the conference. Yeah, if I was
the Pack twelve, here's what I would do. I would
split the baby and I would give Amazon half of
our games and I would give the other half to Turner,

(01:12:49):
and I let them both use uh Pack twelve network
um structure as a way to broadcast those games. Because
then you're you're you're separated from Fox, you're separated from ESPN. Uh,
you have the ability to compete directly with them. We

(01:13:11):
know that Turner is putting their toe in the pool
of trying to get back into broadcasting football. They could
probably get it for a reasonable price and not have
to put a ton into production. Um, and Amazon is
trying to take over the whole world, and you're the
closest thing to the next step for them, you know,

(01:13:31):
because eventually Amazon is gonna try to get some SEC
games and stuff like that. But for the for now,
for life support, if you could split the baby between
Turner and Amazon. People will complain about being on Amazon,
but more people probably have access to Amazon Prime than
they do Pack twelve Network. If we're being on you,
you're probably being right, bro. That's and that's a damn shame.

(01:13:53):
But the problem is is that it's still a destination
to get there. But I guess it's yeah. But as
to get to Pack twelve for most fans anyway, too,
I'd rather have the other half of my games on
Turner than I would have half the games on PAC twelve,
half the games on ESPN, Amazon and Turner to me
is easier than ESPN and PAC twelve. Yeah, oh my god.

(01:14:16):
Um yeah, all right, um, now the games Charles Barkley
calling Oregon Washington State. I know, right, Um, So now
the games this weekend. First game we will we will
go with in order of gay of like I guess,
importance or goodness? So we will so which which game

(01:14:41):
is in the fourth spot? Washington Cow Colorado, Oregon State
or Arizona State, Stanford. Anything Colorado was involved with has
to be at the very bottom. Yeah, I totally agree that.
I was thinking the same thing. Colorado Oregon State. What's
the line in that game? The line in Colorado Oregon State?

(01:15:08):
I want to get your guests first, go with like
Oregon State minus six? You think it would be yes, yes,
you do. Okay, dude, Colorado has lost. They lost to
Arizona by twenty three, u c l A by basically, uh,

(01:15:30):
well by, They lost the Minnesota by forty two, They
lost the Air Force by thirty one, and Texas and
TCU by what's that twenty five? So okay, and this
game is in too, bro the yeah, the line is
not sixteen, it is three and a half. Oh yeah,

(01:15:51):
oh god god, it's a four score line. I'm gonna
take the under, I'm gonna take Colorado. I'm gonna take Colorado,
but not like I would not bet my own money
on this game. I would not because because I don't

(01:16:11):
trust organ States quarterbacks. If if organ State had a
consistent quarterback, I would absolutely take them. But you but
you know what Oregon State is gonna do. They're gonna
run the damn football and today that much. They're gonna
run the football down their throat, so an amazing concept
of what can happen when you do that. But they're

(01:16:32):
saying that if so, it's gonna be fifty seven degrees
in raining. Um, and if Colorado manages to get to
ten points, Oregon State's gonna have to score thirty five
to cover. They're gonna have to put up five touchdowns
or three touchdowns two field goals or four touchdown two
field goals. Um. That's a lot of scoring. So I'm

(01:16:54):
kind of tempted to go with you here and take
Colorado plus three and a half. Yeah, but it's also
possible that this game is like three and Oregon State
covers that way. I love the under, though the under
is uh forty and a half. Oh my gosh, they're
not barely even expecting him to score at all. Um, Yeah,

(01:17:18):
I'm gonna I'll go with you. I'll say Colorado plus
three and a half. Yeah, yeah, that feels That feels
like a lot, bro it feels like a lot. And
and that Cow score is just throwing me off. And
I don't trust Oregon State not to throw interceptions. So
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next game up, Arizona Stanford or Washington Cow. I think
that Washington Cow is matters because cows on life support

(01:18:00):
and Washington kids to juice going into Oregon. Yeah, yep, okay,
so I'm gonna go Okay, So then we'll go Arizona
State Stanford. What's the line in this game? Stanford is
actually favored by two and a half, but they're at home,
so they're basically saying, like, home field is the difference.

(01:18:20):
Give me Arizona State, Give me Arizona State. I don't
even know who the hell is going to be their quarterback,
but it's emory. It's emery. But because they said they
used the and I would love your take on this,
you can't lose your job due to injury. They couldn't
have a true competition because because Emery was in a
green no contact up until yesterday. Um so it's just

(01:18:43):
based on like you know, in Trent bore Gay looks
good in every practice. So it's a situation where there
they went with the old you can't lose your job
to injury. Do you think that's the right call to
go with the football guy code? Yeah? Would you? Would
you if you were a head coach, would you if

(01:19:06):
you had one guy throw three touchdowns in three and
two and a half quarters and another guy who's thrown
four touchdowns in five games and a quarter, would you
say he can't lose his job due to injury? Absolutely not,
Absolutely not. There's no such thing as you can't lose

(01:19:27):
your job to injury. It sucks, it sucks, it doesn't
feel right, but facts are facts, bro, Like there there
we We've seen it happen so many times. How do
you how do you think that you noted the name
Tom Brady slick? Yeah, I guess there's a difference between
a season ending injury and a and a and a

(01:19:48):
concussion that keeps you from practicing for a week. He
still he still had a chance to come back. Well,
I don't think a week is necessarily uh long enough.
Um yeah, I don't think a week is long enough
to to get it done. All right, Well, it'll be
interesting because now you have a new standard for what

(01:20:10):
the s U offense is supposed to look like. And
it doesn't look like that. And let's say a s
U is winning, George. Let's say a s U s
up ten seven in the third quarter, but Emery hasn't
done anything, and the a s U touchdown came on
like a punt return. Do you pull a quarterback when
you're up? No, when do you make the move? Like?
What does it take? What? What does it? Very poorly?

(01:20:32):
Very poorly? Like we're down fourteen at halftime, or or
even if we're down seven, it's just and we're not
moving the ball at all. Because Stanford's d you should
be able to score. They've been they've looked, they've looked lively,
not talented, but they've looked like they've been well coached,

(01:20:54):
and they put in the effort. And like I said,
seven out of the last eight quarters they've been pretty
damn good it yum, But yeah, I don't know. I
think that's a must win for both teams. I just
don't think it's that interesting of a of a game.
Considering that like that must win just leads to next
week being a must win and the next week being
a must win. Both teams are on life support. Yep,

(01:21:18):
all right, Washington, col. What's the line in this game?
Washington seven and a half? Oh, Washington all day. I
know the games at Cow and Cow's defense is good
enough to slow Washington down, but it doesn't matter how

(01:21:39):
much they slowed them down their offenses. Uh, but Washing
this defense is leaky too, and Cow and it's their
past defense that that's leaky, and Cow showed that they
won't thro, that they won't run the run the ball,
so that actually may work. I'm I'm still taking Washington.
I feel sketchy about at hook about that seven and

(01:22:01):
a half. If it were just seven, I would easily
take Washington. But the only thing that half is making
me reconsider because I think that that's gonna be the
margin of victory. But I'm still gonna take you, Dub.
I am taking University of Washington and I'm saying this
is the Braylan Trice game. Look out for him, like

(01:22:23):
three sacks, like an absurd stat line. He's going off.
This is gonna be the University of Washington pass rush
because I don't believe cal is gonna come back show
any dedication to the run whatsoever. I think they're gonna
be licking their chops at at Washington's past defense, not
realizing that you need to slow the game down and
limit Washington's possessions because you can't get into a passing

(01:22:45):
battle with this team. Yep, so you cannot. I think
I think Braylan Trice is gonna eat my boy Jack
Plumber Alive to Arizona Boys. So I'm only gonna enjoy
half of that. And uh, I think that. I think
this is the game that Braylan Trice, you know, in
a couple of years, when he's like a fourth round
pick or whatever. You're going to roll this to the
other Trices. Bro Is is he related to the other Trice?

(01:23:09):
I don't think so. I don't remember him having a sibling.
And oh wait, wait wait, I don't even know I
was thinking Trice. I was thinking Tryon who was at Washington.
But I just got gotten named winning Ham willing Ham.
Oh my god, I shouldn't have did that. I've been
so good this year. Um all right, last game up,
the most important game probably in the past. Well, it's

(01:23:32):
the most important game in the pack towl so so far,
even more important than U c L A Utah last
week and then the U c L A u USC
game could be bigger depending on what what happens going
going forward. But right now it is number nine u
c L A number ten Oregon in Austin Stadium. It's
supposed to be uh, it could be raining, and it's

(01:23:55):
gonna be in the low fifties. Who do you have?
What what's the line in this game? Because because I
remember it started off in like three and a half,
four six, it's up to six. Oh, giving him duckies, baby,
giving him duckies. They are murdering. They are four and

(01:24:18):
two against the spread this year, the the U and
five and one. If you throw away that sorry four
and one, if you throw away that nasty Georgia scrimmage.
And the only time they didn't was against Washington State,
and that was some reasons. But behind that, give me

(01:24:39):
the Ducks at home. The game day is gonna be there.
Auto Stadium is gonna be stupid, stupid, stupid. U c
l A has only played on the road one time,
and that was at Colorado and they jumped all over them.
Quiet crowd, It's been quiet in the Rolls Bowl they have.
This team has not experienced anything like they're going to

(01:25:01):
experience this weekend. Nothing, I mean, nobody on this roster
if you really think about I mean, well, I guess
some some actually no, no a at U c l A.
There have been no players who have experienced the type
of environment that they are going to experience because they
haven't been winning, so they haven't been able to they
haven't had environments like this, you know know. I mean like

(01:25:24):
the closest thing would be the USC game at the
Coliseum last year, but they haven't experienced this. This is
gonna be a lot. This is like what what what
people talk talk about when they're like, oh, going to
go play in Death Valley at night, going to go
play in the swamp. This is like that you guys

(01:25:45):
got Austen is your little Lamborghini in a trailer park
out there in Ugene. I know, what, what did you
just say? It's an it's nice. It's nicer than the
surrounding area. Said, it's a Lamborghini in a trailer park, dude,
f you from everybody in the state of Oregon. Oh,

(01:26:10):
would you would you rather have a Pinto in a
trailer park like you have a has you got a Lamborghini? Congratulations?
Eugene is not a trailer park, fool. It is a
it is a it's a it's ad how people, it's
a Ford Explorer? How alright? Alright? How how many former ducks,
high level recruit ducks you have making a life out

(01:26:31):
there in Eugene, Oregon right now? Well, a lot of
them are in Portland, thank you very much. They moved
to Portland. Okay. And depending on the traffic on the five,
that's like a thirty six hour drive. Sometimes it's it's
two hours, could be three. Al right, Okay, So I

(01:26:51):
don't hate Eugene, but that stadium is so it's like
meeting a librarian with a twenty carrot rock on her
where you like, where did you get this three hundred
thousand dollar ring from lady? Maybe she's a lady in

(01:27:13):
the in the streets and the opposite of that, you know,
but like what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is
like I I get it. I get all of that. However,
we're talking about Dorian Thompson Robinson. If he is half

(01:27:34):
as confident on the field on Saturday as you are
right now, it's over. Oh, Dudy. I I've said that
when he gets that Stuperman, if if he can handle Austen,
when he gets hot, over bro. When there is no
player in college football that impacts winning and losing more

(01:27:54):
than a hot Dorian Thompson Robinson. This dude is like
when when he gets it's hot, it goes up to
nuclear It's not even like there's nothing that you can
do if he gets If he gets hot, he will
make highlight plays. Oregon dudes to be bumping into each other.
Mr gold thirty, Will Will will have plenty of content

(01:28:16):
to talk about it. So so yeah, that that's the
key to the game. Keep Dorrian Thompson Robinson on an
ice box, buddy. Yeah. And I and I we even
thought we saw in South Alabama if some of his
teammates let him down, that's when he starts to get rattled.
So you go out there, you got Noah's school. I'm

(01:28:37):
picking u c l a um loser what a loser?
Six wouldn't have been enough to cover the last two
times the Chip Kelly coached against Oregon. This is a
better team, whole different head coach, Buddy Hold, different offensive coordinator.

(01:29:00):
That's fine. And again Kenny Dillingham is in the pressure
cooker right like, no matter what, no matter what happens
to Oregon defensively in this game, Oregon's got a score
and I think they will. I think they will. The
thing I worry about for Oregon's sake is that Dorian
Thompson Robinson seems to be able to have an easier

(01:29:21):
time tapping into whatever the hell he taps into every
once in a great while, and his floor for the
mistakes that he makes, it just keeps raising. He doesn't
he's noting where he used to kick the ball off
his knee. Just do weird over. Yeah. And for everybody

(01:29:42):
who says that he's like a six year player, he's not.
He's like the equivalent of a red shirt senior. And
you can throw the COVID year in there, so like
this is this. He's got a lot of experience, but
it's a normal amount of progression. Everyone's like, Oh, look
at all the stuff he's improved on. That's what happens
when we left quarterbacks like a four years. This isn't
like I don't know what people like All one player

(01:30:04):
can be one thing and then they can turn into
another thing. Like don't he had sixty plus games of
starting than yes, right, but he had the tools from
the jump. He was a high level recruit from the
jump football. He only started one one year. Yeah, And

(01:30:25):
the thing with him is he said I'm year one.
He was like, I'm gonna do it myself, and he
and he would be the reason they lose. Year two,
I'm gonna do it myself, he would be the reason
they lose. But you started to see like he was
doing some special things by this point when he says
I'm gonna do it myself. He he doesn't need to,

(01:30:46):
but he can. They built a nice offense around him.
I love U c l A. I think that Oregon
is a slightly better team from top to bottom. But
the star in this game is the star, and the
lights are the lights College game Days, College game Day,
and the last two results have just been a field goal.

(01:31:07):
So gimme U c l A. In the six Okay, now,
who do you think it's gonna win? Though probably Oregon. Uh, probably,
it's probably a similar situation. Really excited to see this
is the boat Nick's redemption game because you're gonna have,
you know, like I said, college game days, they're they're
gonna talk about his time at Auburn and they're gonna

(01:31:28):
talk about honestly, guy, he doesn't even look like the
same guy. Well, that'll happen when you never get sacked. Yeah,
he's been sacking one time this whole season, and that
and and that could have been a no game like
that could have been associated as a no game too,
because because it looks right and he tried to dive

(01:31:50):
the ball out just to make sure it wasn't gonna
be a sack. Cam Moore to Jack Plumber, gonna be
looking at bow Nicks right now, like my transferred to
the wrong school to acting bro, like if they're gonna
protect you like that? What's that called season? Good? God? Alright,
that's so the thing. And not to be boring football guy,

(01:32:10):
but like Oregon's old line is so big an athletic
and U c l as oh line is starting four seniors.
I can't wait for this game cannot wait. I'm super
excited you guys. Hopefully you guys were super excited about
this episode. I'm George Reiser, He's Ralph Ampston. This is
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