Pac-12 Apostles - Deion Sanders Making Noise

After a February hiatus, the Pac-12 Apostles Podcast is back! George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden discuss what the recruiting trail has been like for George's son, and how the comments Deion Sanders made about wanting a certain type of quarterback hits close to home for the Wrighsters. Will the Pac-12 ever find a media partner, or should we be making funeral plans for the conference? The guys get into some of the staff changes at Cal, UCLA and Oregon as well as Bo Nix, Michael Penix Jr. and Caleb Williams being 2023 Heisman favorites, before talking about Jaden Rashada's path to Arizona State.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go PAC twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the PAC twelve Apostles and only
the Truth lives here Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. We're back

(00:22):
Pack twelve Apostles. I'm George Reiser, He's Ralph Ams that
we got a lot to talk about. People, We got
a lot to talk about. But of course we always
have to catch you up on what has been going on.
So what what's been up with you? Ralph's this last episode? Well,
I don't know what things are like out where you're at,

(00:45):
but here in the Southeast, we are experiencing record heat,
which triggered an early spring. So gardens, blooming, trees are
blooming two months earlier than they should have, which means
everything's probably gonna get old off again when it gets cold.
And uh in March. So it's been kind of wild.
Everything's green, there's bees and birds. There was a mole

(01:09):
that I caught in my in my yard yesterday. They
don't even wake up until spring. We got toads hopping
around because their hibernation ended early. It's like, uh, there
are some weather anomalies happening, and I heard it might
be the same out by you. Yeah. Well, well first
thing is, yo, did you, um, did you create a

(01:31):
froged situation over where you're at your your house. I
sent you the video of the of the dude and
the frog and the fits. Yeah, so I uh, every
once in a while at TikTok comes along that you
have to watch about fifty times. And you said that
one to me last night. And it's like a guy
with a three D printer who found a frog in

(01:53):
his fence and he built it a home, and then
other frogs came and he built damn homes, and then
apostle m came and he built them a place to stay. Um,
it is incredible what some people can do with their
with their free time. That is a that is that's

(02:14):
something that would like make people download TikTok and then
everything else on TikTok would make you immediately remove it
from your phone. Dude, I'm getting into TikTok. Bro getting
into TikTok because, um, apparently there's a lot of useful
information and cool, cool stories on there that's different than reels.
Because like my kids don't watch Instagram, they they are

(02:37):
and I became an Instagram watcher. And now I'm slowly
integrating into TikTok Instagram's ruined. Instagram is completely like it.
It's all suggested posts. So if you've got if you
got an Instagram for the purpose of following your friends
and family and people that you're interested in, too too bad.
Almost drop that bomb right there, too too bad, because

(03:00):
it's just what Mark Zuckerberg wants you to see instead
of what you actually we're choosing to follow. I went
through my son just got Instagram. He's fourteen, and I
went through his feed, and one in every six posts
is somebody he follows. One in six the rest are
suggestions or ads. The ads I don't mind. But like,

(03:23):
we're really subjecting. And I know people are gonna say, well,
you're a terrible parents for letting your kid on Instagram.
It's on my phone, Like I'm it's on my phone.
I'm monitoring it. But like the whole thing is that,
I promise you that is not what parents are gonna
say to you, because some of these parents are letting
their kids run run wild on Bill Gates Interweb. Yeah right,

(03:44):
That's what I'm saying is people are so mad at
the school the school systems in doctrine any of my kids. Meanwhile,
your kids over on Instagram, like Zuckerberg's just putting whatever
he wants in their feed. At least on TikTok, you
know exactly what you're getting, which is like content from
everywhere sent to you based on an algorith him. I
think that's why people sign up for TikTok. I think
that's the point of TikTok. Instagram is supposed to be

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the stuff that you chose to follow. Twitter is getting
like that too, turning into like an old man, get
off my wrong. Well for me being kind of busy,
been hitting up a couple of colleges on visits. Been
to Colorado, Colorado State, So you're going back to school? No, No,

(04:26):
absolutely not my now seventeen year old son. We are
doing the whole recruiting thing. Just picked up a few offers.
We've been visiting places. A lot of places are interested
because he's a because he's a kid. I wouldn't call
him a late bloomer. Would you call him a late bloomer? No, Like, like,

(04:49):
I don't even know what to call him because he
was I guess late to playing. He didn't play his
first tackle football game. Till twenty twenty one, and now
he's a junior. So it's so it's like an experience.
He's new, but in talent he's not new. But he
played basketball at a high level. He's at it. He

(05:11):
was out of Sierra Canyon the baseball Boys, James and
baseball you said was one of his favorite sports, and
he played that for a long time, So it wasn't
he wasn't locked in. I don't think that's late Bloomer.
I think that's That's exactly what every coach in America
is telling you to do, is to like make sure
your kid doesn't specialize, make sure they have an appreciation

(05:31):
for the way that you use different muscle groupings and
stuff like that. Your son did the thing that you're
supposed to do, but because nobody does what you're supposed
to do, it makes your son look like he's behind
the eight ball, which in the recruiting game can be
tough because a lot of these quarterbacks get their biggest
offers is sophomores that has to live up to them.
Your son's going into the spring of after his junior

(05:52):
year and his stuff is just starting to ramp up. Yeah,
and I'm actually kind of happy about that. To be honest,
it just creates a lot less pressure. I mean, he
probably feels some pressure in terms of, oh man, I
want these offers, this, this, this, But at the same time,
like worst case scenario, he goes to Old Dominion or

(06:13):
Yale like like what are we talking about here, like
like that's the floor right now? Yeah? Yeah, And I mean,
I'm sure that you spent a lot of You're you're
somebody who kind of more so than me, and you've
and you've you've probably worked with me on this, but
you like envision what the future could be like, and

(06:33):
you put yourself in that situation so that when it arises,
you're not surprised. For me, every day's an adventure. But
like you, you do a good job. Some people call
it manifesting, some people just you know, setting goals or whatever.
But your son is going through some of the stuff
that you envisioned would be happening at this point, maybe
not at the speed that you thought it would be happening,

(06:54):
maybe not some of the same schools that you thought
would be involved, but you're you're in it. You you
were in it mentally a while back, and now you're
actually in it physically? Is it? What is it like
being a big time recruits dad? Right? Like what is
that experience like for you? Okay, So I don't know
what the I guess I've been around enough five stars

(07:17):
now to understand what their life is like to like
understand what his life is like, you know what I mean?
And so for Damon, I kind of take the lead
kind of with the recruiting stuff the way he doesn't
have to, Like he doesn't mind talking to the coaches,
And there are some kids that just love it, right,

(07:38):
that love the process, love talking to the coaches every day.
And he's like, hey, yo, Dad, just just tell me
where we're going and we'll go, you know what I mean? Like,
and I mean, I talk to him about what schools
he's interested in, teams he wants to throw, for stuff
that he actually wants, right, And then my job is
to figure out how to either make that happen or

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to direct the path to where it is. Because there's
because there's some people in the recruiting game that are
so hyper focused on the name on the front or
the back of the jersey, like that you know, big state.
They want to go to USC only or UCLA or

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Oregon or or you know, Florida State, Ohio, State of Alabama.
And if you end up at Colorado State, or you
end up at Rice, or you end up like that,
they feel like that's a failure. You know, they end
up at Mississippi State instead of you know, uh LSU,
they feel like that's a failure or some kind of

(08:47):
reflection on them as a parent, like that they didn't
do a good job. Oh my god, my kids at
Houston instead of Texas. That's fine. He all, he's winning.
And if you look at that as a blessing instead
of looking at it as a disappointment. I mean, all
their hard work, it didn't go in vain, and truth

(09:08):
be told, they are no further away from their dream.
If their dream is to be a professional athlete, they
are no further away from it at Houston then they
are at Alabama. I mean, And that's what like, they're
no further away from their dream at North Dakota State,
which has had two quarterbacks taken, they have one where

(09:31):
trade lessons number two right three overall, I think. Yeah,
so they've had Carson Wentz yeah, which went two two. Okay, Yeah,
So like you're no further away from your dream at
North Dakota State, then you are at USC. Because a
bunch of quarterbacks that came through USC recently, they they

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ain't been number two overall. So so and that's the thing,
is that if we can get comfortable as parents making
sure that our kid goes where they fit and chasing
coaching and the best college experience, then that's where you win.

(10:19):
Like it's not about the jersey on the front or
the back of the of the of the of the thing.
And so that's something that I've constantly reiterated to my
son is we're not worried about the logo, buddy, we
are going to get Like it's nice to feel wanted
by the logos, but even bigger than that, it's more

(10:40):
important that he gets to the optimal place for him
the way we don't have to hop into portal, the
way we don't have to you know, do any of
that get where you need to be? Think about it.
You got some vacation time, you worked your ass off,
you you accrue some vacation time. You decide you want
to take the family to a theme park. You could

(11:00):
go to Disneyland, you could get those Mickey Mouse ears,
you could wait in line with everybody else. But if
that weekend, you know for a fact there's not a
single soul at Knoxbury Farms except for the people that
are there to strap you in and put you on
those roller coasters, where are you going to have a
better time? Nut's very far right, because as long as
there are as long as there are roving packs of

(11:21):
wild kids. But like, but like that that's the truth
is like, yeah, yeah, you want to be able to
tell people you went to Disneyland. You want to pose
for a picture and put on Instagram with the mouse
ears or whatever. But where are you going to have
a better time? Like, where is all of the work
that you put in to get you to this point?
Where is it going to pay off the most? I

(11:43):
rock two schools. My mom went to University of Wyoming.
I had multiple uncles go to University of Wyoming. I
went to Arizona State. My wife went to Arizona State.
I love them both. There are more people in the
NFL from Wyoming than there are in Arizona State. That's
just that's the fact that matter ended. Josh Allen end Up,

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what was he the tenth pick in the draft? Seventh.
They think, does he end up the seventh pick in
the draft if he goes to Ohio State, or do
we never hear about him? That's yeah, that's a great point.
That's a great point. It depends. He kind of opened
the door for a guy like Anthony Richardson to not

(12:24):
have the greatest stats in the world and be looked
at as a top overall pick based on But I
think that that's different. And you're coming and you're talking
to a guy who was completely wrong about Josh Josh Allen,
and but comparing Anthony Richardson, because I went back and
watched some Josh Allen take his wide receiver. He was

(12:45):
completely outmatched on the outside every time he played a
good team, when they played Oregon, when they played other
good teams, his players were completely outmatched. That's why he
looks so bad. Yeah, Josh and Anthony Richardson, they won
to make him Josh Allen. But as was Florida's talent
as good on the outside as it was, I mean,

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as it usually is, No, but they weren't outmatched to
that level, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the Ricky,
that's Ricky. Piersall would have been the best receiver that
Josh Shallon ever had. Like that's a that's a difference.
But my whole thing is like if but if you
go somewhere where you actually get to play, get to

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face adversity, get to overcome it, maybe be in some elements,
but you get to play right, you'll get reps. That's
that's super important. Um. And that doesn't mean that you
have to go to a lower level school. You should
just go where where it's the best fit. But these coaches,
these coaches will say things they don't believe to get

(13:47):
you in the door. Yes, they really will. And if
you know what's funny is you know sounder though. Two,
if they approach me differently then they do some of
their parents. I wonder if my conversation with some coaches
is different than other parents. Probably, Well, what do you

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think the question is that parents who don't have the
experience that you had. What do you think their primary
question is for a position coach or coordinator or head coach? Um,
what do you think? What do you think the burning
question is when if if it's a place they know
that they're interested in, they know that their kids interested in,
and there's mutual interest on that side, and you could
ask one question, what do you think those parents are asking?

(14:35):
Oh now nowadays in il or playing time, one of
the two. I think maybe that's what dads are asking,
That's not what moms are asking. Moms are asking, are
you going to take care of my kid? Are you
gonna take care of my kids? One hundred percent of
the time that is that is the only thing, or

(14:58):
the predominant thing that the are concerned with. Are you
going to and take care? Could mean a million different
things depending on who you are in your situation, but
I think that's the overarching concern of most parents going
into this who don't have the experience you have of
being a recruit of going through this process. Not in
the social media era, but you still went through the process,

(15:20):
and you've been alongside Harlan Rashatta as Jade Rashatta went
through everything. You know Bryce Young's dad really well, you
know Nico's family. You've been around all these people. There
are people who go in saying like, no, this is
what my son needs to succeed. I'm going to give
you the book on my son and you you take

(15:43):
it and run with it. You I'm gonna give you
the baton and you take it and run with it.
But I think most parents are just like, hey, is
my son gonna be okay in your program? And every
coach is gonna be like, of course, but that's not
the truth facts. And me, I feel like I can
see through some of that because understanding the situations and
the landscape and where where coaches are maybe in their career,

(16:07):
they're knowing the hot seats, the temperature of the universities,
having some insights because of a bunch of players that
I played with and against our coaches now that I
can pick up the phone and talk to Yeah. So,
so it is very interesting to see how all of

(16:27):
this really shakes shake shakes out. But then, but then
one of the biggest questions is is you know, like
what these coaches really think about you and necessarily your situation.
And part of that was the Dion Sanders comments, right, yeah, um, well,

(16:51):
which ones we got? We gotta clarify because it seems
like he's become quite a lightning rod um And I,
you know, I think he definitely puts himself in a
situation where, you know, he demands a certain level of
attention based on on his history. He knows that the
stuff he says is going to make news or be

(17:13):
misconstrued intentionally or unintentionally. He knows all that stuff. Um, so,
what which comments are you referring to? Oh, the one
about the ones about the parrots, like like what he's
looking for from certain position groups, talking about like the
a quarterback needs to be a two two parent home

(17:37):
high GPA, but you're but your your defensive lineman, gotta
have a single mama, go to bed hungry, uh, trying
to buy their mama house. That whole thing, yes, that
was now that rubbed people the wrong way all together.

(18:00):
I understand why people are upset about Dion's comments because
it feels like an attack on black families to some people.
And I like, he didn't say that at all. It's
like as soon as somebody says something about single mothers

(18:24):
or anything like that, they automatically associate that with black folks.
But that ain't the case. That is not the case.
And if you look at Deon's situation, his kids didn't
grow up in a two parent home, and the way
that it comes across in the way that people took it.
But I believe the way that Deon Minted was that

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that you want them to be coming from an emotionally
healthy and stable home. That way, they don't have to
worry about the outside stuff, Like they don't feel as
much pressure to go get it, you know what I mean,
Because there's already enough pressure at the quarterback position. Okay,

(19:10):
but there's grievance merchants out there who are looking for
reasons to be upset every single day. Sometimes Dion Sanders
comes in, he gives them a free meal, right like that.
But you're in a different situation. You have a son
who's a seventeen year old quarterback who's been out to Boulder.
It's on his list. You like Colorado, you cover the
Pack twelve. You hear Dion say this when it first

(19:33):
hit your ear, did you have to go through the
thought process of like, oh is he talking about me? Yes? Yes,
I did, because we have a blended family and it's
and that's the reason why I guess some people were
triggered because the media narrative is, oh, so many unweed
black black mothers, and the statistics show that that there

(19:56):
are more in terms of a higher percentage of unweed
black mothers then there are white white mothers right. However, However,
when you look at the amount of black fathers who
are involved in their kids life on a very high level,
that number is like exkews the thing because it's not

(20:19):
just that fathers are completely absent. For instance, we have
a blended family. I'm with my kids like like in
some sort of capacity four or five days a week,
every single week or or that entire week. You know
what I'm saying, because we do a week on week
off sation situation. But then I see them at practice,

(20:42):
I see them at their games. We talked. I was
just like, for instance, he's with his mom this week.
I was at him with at his doctor's appointment this morning.
So it's so I understand everybody's circumstances different, but you
but you know my son and you know our situation.
Was Dion talking to to us because he's a kid

(21:03):
that doesn't get in trouble. We just got an offer
from Yale. Grades are really good, he's a leader all that,
it works really hard. So was he was deon talking
to me and my family? I didn't feel that way.
And when you die, you called me and you're like,
would he consider me to be a two parent home.
I was like, you probably consider yours to be a
four parent home. You you have like that. It takes

(21:26):
a village mentality like what parenting used to be when
we were a little bit more, you know, tribal up
before the last few hundred years or whatever. But here's
here's my thing. A blended family can often represent the
best of what a family can be because in order
to have a functional blended family, you have to operate
with grace. Grace is the only thing that keeps a

(21:47):
family together. Yes, that's a fact, Jack. The blended family
that I grew up in might as well have been
put it in a blender family because it was chaos, right,
it's better. It's sometimes a nuclear family, a traditional nuclear
family can be a blender too, or or a nuclear
bomb family exactly. It really just depends on and So

(22:09):
I think that people take things personally, they process things personally.
Maybe take things personally gives the wrong connotation. Like I
did say that people do look to get offended, But
there's people that were offended that don't look to get
offended because they process things personally. When they when they say, like, oh,
so it does Dion think that there's something wrong with
me or my family or my Patrick situation Paris together.

(22:34):
I don't know. I don't know, but I do know that, Like,
there are quarterbacks that people pointed to saying like, oh,
Dion wouldn't take CJ. Strout, Yeah, because his father went
to went to jail when when he was in when
when he was in like yeah, early high school. They're
right before high school started. But conversely, he said he

(22:58):
wants single mom, hungry dog d Lineman, which is how
I've heard every coach talk in private that has those
types of you. I've not every coach in the world,
but like I hear enough coaches talk like that in
private to know that Dion's just saying publicly, what yeah,
the quiet part out loud and and now that does

(23:20):
that mean he wouldn't take Aiden Aiden Hutchinson J Watt. Yeah.
So so here's the situation, and I want people, hopefully
people can hear it the right way is that in
certain positions, particularly a quarterback, you do want a kid
that gets good grades in school because you want him

(23:42):
to be set. But because it's an indication. It's not
always right, but it's an indication typically that you are
self motivated, that you're organized, that you kind of know
how to handle your time and energy, and then you're
not riff riff raffing because if you are getting getting

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your grades, if you have a very high GPA, you're
probably missing out on some of the parties, some of
the things to make sure that your school work is
where it needs to be. So that's the first thing.
Second thing is with the amount of pressure that comes
at the quarterback position, the amount of good decisions that
have to be made, the leadership that you do have

(24:26):
to display. That I mean, and how many studies show
that kids that come from two parent homes are typically
you know that you're more likely to not get arrested,
you're more likely to not do drugs, like that that yes,
there are outliers to all statistics, but that those things
are kind of a good jumping off point to like

(24:52):
to like to help like that that that should be
your template and not necessarily your like your criteria if
that makes sense, of course, And I want I want
people to say, like, oh, does that mean that like
single moms or single dads can't do the job. And
it's not it's not like that. It's that single parent

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homes are often no parent homes because you have to
take care of your family, which takes you away from
your family. Yeah, that's that's the burden. I mean, that's
that's the burden of parenthood and the blessing of of
of COVID, which put a lot of people in situations,
situations that might be driving them insane. But like, I

(25:36):
love being around my kids, and I love being around
my wife. And since people have been allowed to work
from home, I see my kids and I see my
wife all day every day. Do they like it as
much as me? Probably not, But like I love, I
love it, right, I love just spending the time with them,
getting to be around them because they're not always going
to be here. They age quick. When you and I

(25:57):
started doing shows together, your oldest was the age that
my two oldest are, right, and it happened so fast,
and so you know what, I just I just want
people to understand that, Like it seemed like he was
doing a comedy bit. Most comedy bits have one foot

(26:18):
in truth, one foot in stereotype. And you know, is
he gonna take two parent home? Five star d Lineman?
Of course? Yep. If the best quarterback in the country's
dad got cancer, when he was five and passed away
or mom's incarcerated. Is he gonna take that quarterback if

(26:38):
he's a good fit a Colorado Of course, a lot
of the stuff that Dion says you have to take
with a grain of salt. But if any other quarterback,
if any other coach in the country is saying this stuff,
we're probably not talking about it as much because Dion
just commands this attention. There's thirty thousand people going to
Colorado spring game, George. How many games did they not

(26:59):
have third thousand people at their actual game? Probably probably
at least half of their home games. It's the effect
that he's having on Colorado football is enormous, and I
applaud Colorado for taking this risk, but it is a risk.
He does talk like a youth football coach who is

(27:19):
coaching at the highest level. He's very informal with the
stuff he says. But I will say that when he
told those players face like when he faced and he said,
I'm gonna some of you guys aren't going to be here,
That's how coaches talk. When he talked about the type
of when it because it comes down to like if
you have two players of equal talent, you're going to
start looking at peripheral things, and in a meeting room,

(27:40):
if it's NFL scouts or if it's college coaches, they're
gonna say, what's his home life? Like how is dealing
with his parents? Are they Are they okay to deal with?
Are they going to stay out of our way? Like
they go through all these peripheral things. They're much more serious,
non flippant conversations like this one appeared to be. But
you know, he's going to continue to say things and
people are going to contin you to to be weirded

(28:02):
out by the way the way he does things. But
he's not on an island. Dion is a And here's
the other part that people really have to understand about
Dion Sanders. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at
Fox sports Radio dot com and within the iHeart Radio
app search f SR to listen live. Dion's about Dion

(28:26):
like like that that that like, yes, he will help
other people along the way, But this is about the
brand of coach prime that that that and that yes
he wants to win, Yes he wants to help people
while he's there, Like like like I do believe that
he does have a heart to help people, that he's

(28:48):
well intentioned. But at the end of the day, Dion
gonna make the best decision for Dion. Yes, And everybody
knows someone or knows of someone that is delusional. They
have delusions of grand injured, right, Deon Sanders has realities
of grandeur. That's a fact that's making and he makes

(29:09):
it happen. He's the head coach of University of Colorado.
Dion Sanders is the head coach of a Pac twelve
football team, not even ten years after, yes, not even
ten years after, you know, everything going going weird over
at prime prime. Yeah, yeah, that's that is wild, incredible, incredible.

(29:35):
All right, Um, now, the Pac twelve survival of the conference,
I think the conference's own life support at this point
point in time with the media rights deal and you're
trying to pull the plug. I saw your Twitter. What
do you what do you mean? You said it's time

(29:55):
to go. It is for for Oregon and watching this
time to go? I acute? Do you understand that Wilner,
who is super plugged in, who's been on this program
multiple times, has talked about the number for the conference
has probably high twenties, high twenty million dollars a year.
You can't even pay the freaking coaching staff. You can't

(30:17):
pay the coaching staff, support staff and all of that
at twenty some million dollars. How are you supposed to
keep coaches when you got to pay them three million
dollars a year and then the next year after they
have success and show promise, here comes Rutgers man like, hey, yo, yo,
we'll pay you six and a half million, and your

(30:38):
staff will get double their salaries too. If the whole
building is gonna walk out the building except for the
guy who gets the head coaching job and the guys
who are lower level than get you know, promoted to
OC and DC, everybody else is going out the door.
And we've heard rumors about Ion TV, Apple TV all

(31:01):
it is and I am not an Ion TV Home
of Law and Order SVU by the way, Yeah, and
you did a deep dive on what's on ion t TV,
So tell tell the people for those who don't know
what's on Ion t TV, even though it's available on
most providers, what's on it? There are days when they

(31:21):
have several days a week, not just days. There are
several days a week when they have ten hour marathons
of either Blue Bloods, which is a Tom tom Selleck show,
I believe, like a police Procedures and if and Tom
Selleck is like Brad Pitt for octogenarians. My grandfather, if

(31:43):
he was still alive, he'd be in his eighties. Batman
loved Tom Selleck. So that as Blue Bloods, and then
Lawn Order SVU, which has been on for like twenty
three years. Yeah, so we're talking about reruns where Richard
Belzer was still alive and didn't have to color his hair.
And that's ten hours a day of that, followed by

(32:05):
Washington State at Oregon State. Yeah, you're like, what what
is the lead in? You know what I mean? What
is the lead in? And and and then there's the
Apple t TV, which is significantly more intriguing, right, Yes.
And I heard Josh Pete talk about this and I
responded to his tweet he said that listen, you guys

(32:26):
can stop. It's not going to all streaming sports live
sports will never go to all streaming, and I tweeted him,
I set hold on, I think you're confusing streaming only
with the medium that the that they are delivered in
so Comcast, UM Direct TV other providers like that. They

(32:48):
are dying slowly, but they are being replaced by streaming
only options, which are like Hulu TV and YouTube TV.
They are traditional. I mean they're they're There's no difference
between Hulu TV, YouTube TV, and Comcast or direct TV
except for the ease and accessibility. Like there literally is

(33:11):
no difference. So when you say streaming only, it's not
just like it's is it available on television per providers Like,
do I think that live sports in the near future
will be on that you could have NBA games only

(33:34):
on Peacock or only on ESPN plus no, No, because
that limits the amount of eyeballs that can see it.
But do I believe that they will be available on
all of them? Absolutely, that they will come up with
some partnership for live sports, like the Big ten is
done with Peacock, NBC all of that because Peacock is NBC. Yeah.

(33:58):
I think the PAC twelve is afraid of jumping into
the streaming pool for a couple of reasons. And you
you brought up the High, the high twenty millions, And
the funniest thing about that is, like, imagine you live
on a block where everybody has a Hummer, right, and
you save and you save and you save so you
can keep up with the Joneses. And finally one day
you come home with a Hummer and you park it

(34:21):
in the driveway and you look around and everybody has
a Tesla and you look over and gas is five
dollars a gallon. That's gas is sixty dollars a gallon. Yeah, yeah,
And so that's the position I feel like the PAC
twelve is in right now. Well, I think one of
the reasons they're afraid to go all in with a
with a streaming provider, which is what I would do

(34:42):
in an attempt to just save the confould, I would not.
It's like, that's the problem is that maybe Oregon State
and Washington State would go for that, But if you're
Oregon and washinges it, who are premier brands out in
the country, right, Yeah, why on earth would you sign
up for that for such little money? Because the most

(35:05):
important ability in sports for the PAC twelve at this
point in time is availability. And we've talked about that
because I had said that I would just give stuff
away for free at this point because but what I
think the PAC twelve is afraid of is the real
numbers because when they talk about PAC twelve network, they
talk about the homes it's available in, not who's watching
it correct, not who is watching it. They are basically saying, like, hey,

(35:33):
and we I've said this a million times, there are
like six Applebee's in an airport in Orlando that are
still open at two in the morning and have PAC
twelve network on because there's nothing else to have on
those count But that's not active viewership and that's not
doing anything for you. Your concern always should have been

(35:55):
access in your footprints. We yelled at Larry Scott for
five years before Yes, yes, CBS, yep the channel that
your TV is just on, Yes, exactly, magically turn it
on exactly CB like getting on Like Larry Scott's biggest

(36:20):
crime was his two biggest crimes were number one because like,
you could have dealt with the length of the contract everything,
because you had Washington and Oregon make the college football playoff, right,
So you could have dealt with the length of the
contract if either one of two things had happened. If

(36:41):
you had done whatever you needed to do to close
Texas and Oklahoma, which was essentially give Texas the Longhorn network. Okay,
so that would have been one thing, And the second
biggest crime was not getting on erect TV, because whatever

(37:04):
deal that you needed to make for the PAC twelve
networks to get on direct TV, that's what you needed
to do. The idiocy of saying, oh, man, yeah, but
we're we're gonna own a one hundred percent of our
media rights? What good? How long have I been saying this, Ralph?
What year do we meet? We have been doing stuff.

(37:26):
I think since like twenty eighteen. Okay, so five freaking years.
I've been screaming this at the clouds. So if I
could see this coming, why couldn't the president see it coming? Why?
I mean? I mean, I do fashion to myself as
a Ford thinker. I'm technology driven. But I can't be

(37:47):
the only one that saw this, or can I be
the only person who saw this in twenty eighteen? And
then when the SEC signed that deal with ESPN two
three years ago, I was like, it's over. It is
literally over. You better go get CBS right now. If
you're the PAC twelve, like, fuck this contract. The PAC

(38:10):
twelve networks are not making money, they will be fine
if you can pay them because if you can pay
to get out of a grant of rights like Texas
and Oklahoma did early, you can pay to get out
of these PAC twelve network contracts. Because they ain't nearly
that much money they wanted. They wanted to spend that
money on rent. Yes, oh, the rent on the building.

(38:34):
Like the craziest part if you guys don't remember the
PAC twelve building that they were in in San Francisco.
They signed a lease right, and as soon as they
signed the lease, the building was immediately sold. And turns
out the PAC twelve paid more rent in those ten
years then the building actually costs. So then you could

(38:58):
have had an asset that you could so for two
hundred million dollars now instead of instead of paying ninety
million dollars in like dummies, right, and then you had
the SEC commissioner making like eight times less than Larry
Scott for salary. Will you talk about like you were
like Larry Scott's two biggest crimes, We're out here building
a rico case like he Uh, it's tough too, because

(39:24):
you know, I've listened to other PAC twelve podcasts. I
listened to other people who comment and talk about the
Pac twelve regularly, and they Everyone's kind of always got
this question of like, at what point do we start
holding George Clouds accountable for not being able to hum

(39:45):
adequately land the plane that Larry Scott pointed directly at
the ground before he jumped out, it was ten feet
off the ground. When when when when he took control
of the plane, there was nothing he could do to
keep usc in U c l A. They left like
thirty minutes after after literally like thirty minutes after he
took the job. You were like, oh damn, they go

(40:07):
so so at that, And then people are like, well,
you could have merged with the Big twelve, the Big twelve.
What's it gonna merge with the back twelve? What about now?
Do you think we're gonna see Baylor's talking about maybe
taking the bailish president. I don't know if you have
that quote, but that they were talking about the possibility
of maybe taking more teams or yes, I don't know

(40:28):
if because they're talking about the damn corner schools. They're
talking about Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State. But Arizona State
won't move unless Arizona moves. But which is which is
weird because you wouldn't think that Arizona would be more
powerful than Arizona State. But I guess the basketball thing
kind of uh yeah, gives them a bitch. This is

(40:51):
the thing that breaks my heart about the Arizona Arizona
sports media, um I of of which I was one
for a long time. Their soft as hell. I'm out
here in Charlotte Kevin Durant debuts tonight. There is one
member of the media that traveled that isn't like a
beat reporter for Kevin Durant's debut. Name any other major

(41:14):
American city where Kevin Durant was having a debut where
one media member would show up, it's oh god, non existent.
Phoenix medium has always been like Charman, Charman, Charman soft,
which allows people in power to get away with a
whole lot and the idea that no one out here
is trying to hold Michael Crowe accountable for the fact
that he is the one who held up Larry Scott

(41:37):
for years and aggressively, so talking down to people who
would ask about whether or not you know, the conference
should move on from somebody who is actively harming them,
and even I mean, look at something as wild as
herm Edwards probably quit right after they got beat by

(41:58):
Eastern Michigan. He probably quit. He most likely quit. When
you quit, you don't get any money. But Ray Anderson,
the athletic director, said that it was a mutual agreement
and they paid him half of what he was owed.
So her Medwords probably quit and they gave him millions

(42:22):
of dollars even though he was owed absolutely nothing. He
wrecked and ravaged the program through negligence that was enabled
by Ray Anderson. I put this on Ray Anderson way
more than I do on on her Edwords. But Ray
Anderson made sure that his friend and former client was
paid out after probably quitting. And then any time it

(42:46):
has arisen that Kenny Dillingham might be a good hire,
Ray Anderson says, well, you know, I knew we had
to make that move, so I made it. So now
he's implying that he fired her. If he fired her
and he owes him twice as much money as he got. Hey,
there's nobody in air Zona to ask any of these questions.
And I would love, I would love for somebody in
the Arizona media to put the screws to the president

(43:07):
of Arizona State University because if ASU does, if ASU
jump ship, they're all following. Yep. Because that's the thing
about being last in line is when you decide to
be first, everybody else was already ready to go. So
if Arizona State makes the decision to put the nail
in the coffin of this conference after actively participating to

(43:28):
kill the conference through their leadership, like, that's something that
people should have been calling bullshit on all along, and
I've just never I've never seen it happen, and it's
it's very, very frustrating to me. But you don't, so
you don't see it as like, and what about this
ACC thing, oh, with the potential merger with the ACC, right,

(43:52):
not gonna happen. Not gonna happen. Bro, I mean, I
guess that's a last ditch life raft because because the AC, like,
if you are Oregon in Washington, well, actually, if you
are every other team except for Oregon in Washington, Okay, yeah,

(44:12):
you're gonna get paid in the thirties of millions per
per year, but you're still gonna be uh like fifty
percent less than the big ten in the big ten
in the SEC. But okay, that's that's reasonable. But if
you are Oregon and Washington, why on earth would you

(44:32):
get into another grant of rights that's that's through twenty
thirty six. It's literally the that's worse than the situation
that you just came out of. You might as well. Yes,
if Florida State already wants out, like they're calculating costs
of like, oh, if we spend one hundred and twenty
million dollars to get out, can we get our grant

(44:56):
of rights with that one hundred and twenty million million dollars?
Because it would be more beneficial to them to pay
a hundred and twenty million dollars to get out of
a contract and go to the SEC and the PAC
twelve's talking Are people talking about the PAC twelve are
talking about? Like, Yeah, let's jump into that situation, the

(45:18):
one that the one of the cornerstone schools of the
Florida Yeah, where Florida State and Clemson one out and
North Carolina all one out. Yeah here here, I love
I love the conference. Uh, it's sort of being ruined
by the LA schools leaving, But I think you could
survive with the addition of a couple of decent schools.
I think San Diego State and SMU could be those schools.

(45:40):
I really do. Oh, I don't think they saved No,
I don't think they saved the conference. I think that
like they that they they'd be. It'd be like hospice
for Do you realize that even if USC and UCLA
were here in the conference? Right? Yeah, yes, there would
be a media deal done, but it would not It

(46:02):
still would not even come close to what it needs
to be. That's true or tier teams. Here is the
simple fact. I'm gonna put it as simply as I
possibly can. University of Oregon and University of Washington and
University of Utah have every right to believe that their

(46:26):
football team on television is worth Vanderbilt on television, Perdue
on television, Iowa stayed on television, have every right and
reason to believe that. And because they have every right
and reason to believe that it's possible that the death
of our conference is imminent, Oregon has every right to

(46:49):
believe that they are as valuable as a television property
as Perdue. Yeah, that's nothing against Purdue. I'm saying they
have every right to think they're equal. Yep. You are
one hundred percent right, brod percent right. Maybe not everybody
else has the right to think that way. That's going

(47:10):
to be left in the PAC twelve after the LA
schools leave, But certainly Arizona Basketball, certainly Arizona Basketball has
to believe that they are worth what any other school
in the countries worth. That's the way they treat themselves. Yeah,

(47:34):
there are there are more reasons to leave than reasons
to stay right now, which brings us to the statement
that we're all united statement that was put out by
by the ten PAC twelve schools that are left. Yeah,

(47:54):
who was that for? George Coffs ego, Dude. Any time
you put out a statement of of that's like the
dreaded vote of confidence from the general manager. Any statement
of any kind is typically bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep,

(48:18):
unless you're making a statement we extended Kirby smart today,
all right, cool, I mean not in your own household,
Like here here's my statement on why I ate your
pint of ben and Jerry's and mine over the last week.
You're not issuing a statement on how you didn't write

(48:38):
like yeah, You're typically in trouble if you're having issue
some kind of a. This is very true. This is
very very true, and so I don't get it. Who
is it for? It added nothing, It gave us absolutely nothing.
It was basically just said, nothing's changed. Why did we
need everybody's signatures on that? Is that for TV networks
to let them know, like, hey, we're we're not breaking up.

(49:01):
If you want to invest, come invest well? And why
can't use negotiations be done behind closed doors? Well? Now, okay,
so we know that Fox is out, right, we know
that ESPN is definitely out. They have plenty of inventory, Like,
they don't even want you for the late games because
now the big the Big twelve can take all the

(49:22):
late games. Like, you don't have options at this point
because you weren't pro proactive. So I guess we can
finish this part of the conversation of what's the finish line?
But yeah, I just want to clarify. You're saying you
would rather die than stream. Um, I no, no, no, no,

(49:46):
if I'm if I'm the conference, no, I would not
rather die than stream. I'm saying that as a person
who loves the Back twelve with all my heart, right,
but also loves the Oregon a little bit more, right,
so I mean, at some point it co comes out
for self preservation. USC and UCLA took the lifeboat already,

(50:10):
they took the first escape hatch, And now I wish
that Oregon and Washington, who who are bitter rivals, right,
I've been very vocal about how I feel about Washington, Like,
for instance, Jen Cohen is now on the College Football
Playoff Committee, and I'm like, oh man, she ain't gonna

(50:31):
vote for Oregon, but you know what, at this point
in point point in time, she has to believe, just
like all Oregon fans have to believe in all Washington
fans have to believe. Because I've been on Twitter defending
Washington when when people like, oh they're not a yes,
they are major browns, shut your face, because this is
a East coast West coast. This is crips and Blood's

(50:55):
treaty right right here, we must act in like there's
a difference between an ally and what a friend like.
We are aligned for this moment in time on this
one subject, and then after that we'll get back to it. Right,
the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and right

(51:17):
now the ultimate enemy is irrelevance. Yes, yep, it's it's irrelevance,
So what So, what do you think the Finnish line
looks like? Now that we have presidents talking? I hate
that question. I hate that question because when you say
finish line, it's like, what do you think our last
breath looks like? No? No, no no, no, no, no no
no, no no, screaming wall falling off a cliff like no.

(51:41):
I'm asking what do you think the Finnish line looks like?
Because we've had presidents saying that the middle of March
is kind of the deadline. So what do you think
happens in the middle of Well, actually March started first.
Where will we be at well? Ray Anderson said that
he hoped that this would be settled in the next

(52:04):
couple of weeks. I don't listen to anything Ray ray
Anderson says in terms of dude, go post quickly. You
figure he'd be invested. Man, it's a Stanford graduate, ASU president.
He seems tired. He just seems tired of it all.

(52:25):
M okay, So let's forget what he said. Although it
does match up at the timeline that you presented, if
things are not done before the tournament, tips, I would say,
let's start writing the obituary. Yeah, what does it mean?

(52:47):
Can you help me understand what it means if they
don't come to some type of agreement for media rights,
is that some teams in the conference just have to
look to turn the page. And if they public look
to turn the page, did they lose leverage? Or do
you think there's already back room contingency stuff in place?

(53:08):
Because if you're if you're not, and this is why
I don't like the statement of the ten colleges, because
if you're not already looking for your backup plan, you're
in trouble because you will lose any leverage that you
have on saying that like, yeah, I'm committed to seeing
what the PAC twelve is going to do, but if
it doesn't reach my number, I am going to go
with you. If you do it in any order, but
that exact thing, then you give every other conference out

(53:30):
there the right to say, like, we're going to put
you on a five year escalator. Yes exactly, So are
you saying that it's possible? Oregon and Washington already know
that if the PAC twelve, Because this is what makes
me wonder, has the PAC twelve not announced a new
TV deal because it doesn't meet that threshold that will
keep other teams in this conference. That to me feels

(53:53):
like the only thing that would delay this moving forward
unless it is just the cold, hard truth is that
no one cares about this conference at all. Yeah, but
this is live sports, and it's live sports in a
time slot that's yeah, but there's no bro, bro, it's
not a premium time slot. There are no do you
do you understand that you that the SEC is taking

(54:13):
up pretty much all the oxygen on ESPN and ABC
They've paid too much money. You The CBS Game of
the week is now going to be the ABC Game
of the week. Um, we have Fox and the Big
Big ten taking up a lot of oction and CBS

(54:34):
already already gone to So the question is where is
there a home? And now the only way to go
in UPN is to join somebody else and and and
if you're Oregon and Washington, you have to make a
move first, right because if the corner schools leave and

(54:59):
go to the Big twelve, if they're like forget it,
we're out right. Yeah, now you're screwed, because the SEC
or the Big Ten, they'll be like yeah, come on,
come on, come on, but listen you see the way
our pockets is set up. We can't give you a

(55:23):
hundred percent. We might be to give you like ffy five.
You know, do you know what I would do if
I was George Quiavkov and I know this would never work,
and I know it's pipe dream. I get it. You
could criticize it all you want. I would call the
Mountain West and I would say, let's set up a
promotion and relegation league. Nobody else has anything like it,
nothing like it. It would only be for football. We

(55:45):
would we would have agreements to play in every other sport,
but not. Every Mountain West school has sports. Every PAC
twelve school has. But I would say, let's enter into
a promotion and relegation agreement where the top two teams
in the Mountain West get bumped up and the bottom
two teams in the PAC ten or PAC twelve, whatever

(56:08):
whatever it may be, go down. It is the only
thing that I could see that would make the PAC
twelve unique and stand out, add a level of risk
that networks would possibly want to get behind. That's the
only thing I could come up with. Is if the

(56:29):
idea that you have Washington State, I keep bringing up
watching it. Let's say Washington State and Colorado are playing
in November and the loser is gonna have to go
to the Mountain West for a year. But you talk
about like soccer relegation. Hell yeah, and Boise is playing
Utah State and the winner is going to get to

(56:50):
come to the PAC twelve. Bro, boy, but what does
Boise do? Nobody wants to watch Boise on TV? Like
in terms of it in mass nobody wants to watch
Arizona on TV or uc nobody wants to watch UCLA
in person. George, it's true day, Okay, like eighty percent

(57:17):
of our conversations. Aren't you being happy that you could
park easily at the Rose Bowl? Oh damn? Oh my god? Hey,
oh god, Bro, that is hilarious. Um uh. Before we
finished this this talk, Sideline Sports Network they put out

(57:40):
a map and they said, thanks to Pete Dam's new
article on ESPN, the possibility of arguably the stupidest conference
to ever exist has entered the ram of possibility in
acc Pack twelve merger, and that would be Washington, Washington State, Oregon,
Oregon State, Stanford, and cow So it's essentially both coasts

(58:03):
like up and down plus Kentucky where where Louisville is,
and then every single other piece of the map not involved. Yeah, yeah,
and it would be I would tell you, like, if
you think people are struggling to watch PAC twelve, now,
how about a thirteen to three game between Virginia and

(58:24):
cow like like just players on the field comparing SAT scores.
Yeah exactly. Um, so all right, now now that the
mood is destroyed, yes exactly? Is that? What what percentage?

(58:46):
What percentage for the remaining PAC twelve teams plus two
exists in twenty twenty six? M M wait wait, wait, wait,
what's the what's the question again? What is the what
are the odds that in twenty twenty six, the pack

(59:10):
the ten teams that are left in the PAC twelve
are still in some iteration of the PAC twelve all ten,
all ten? Give it a two percent chance? Like the milk?
What are we even taught when we probably? Yeah, yeah,
probably two percent? And I'm being generous. We just spent

(59:34):
twenty minutes talking about a thing that you're saying is
literally impossible. Yeah, all right, Well on to the next thing.
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(59:57):
f SR to listen live. Oh and UCLA and Oregon
State have made massive staff moves. Rap rap his looking
at me like I like he like he hates it
here like he's like he is. Bro, I've come to
the realization that it's it's it's over. It is absolutely over,

(01:00:21):
and we're gonna have to rebrand the podcast. It is
just gonna go all college college football and we will be,
you know, the the tag team version of what Josh
Josh Pate's doing. Bro. Like it just is what it is.
It's okay, Well, we're the pac twelve Apostles, and I
guess that at one point it went down to eleven apostles,
right and uh and then and then the eleven kind

(01:00:47):
of went down from there. Yeah, Like things didn't go
really well for a lot of those men, uh in
the in the following so maybe we should not have
Maybe us naming this podcast is what set this whole
thing in motion. Yes, that may have been a mistake,
but it is all right. Well then now let's pretend

(01:01:09):
everything's fine and get into staff change. Yes, sir, cow
Cow made a move. They hired Jake Spavital as their
new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. So new new asterisk, Yes,
because he was there with Sunny Dikes as well, but

(01:01:31):
so and then he was most recently the head coach
of Texas State for what nineteen twenty two, yea for
four seasons before that offensive coordinator and quarterback coach over
at West Virginia's. So you think he was at A
and M with Kyler and Kyle Allen too. Okay, here

(01:01:52):
is here is the thing that so we both know
that Cow's offense has been hot garbage right. If that
wasn't the case, they would not have made multiple changes
at offensive coordinator over the last few years. Yeah. There,
they consistently put out a good defense. Justin Wilcox is

(01:02:14):
a good, good coach. I'm not sure it doesn't feel
like they put the same energy into recruiting as they
need to. Because you can get kids in Cow if
you can get the Shawn Jackson and um Marshawn Lynch
in the cow. And I'm not saying that they're idiots
or anything like that because they're because because they're not.

(01:02:37):
But you can get them in the cow. You can
you can you can play in the margins a little
bit on that three point zero you, I mean, you
certainly can't. I don't know if you saw the Taylor
Lawan interview that he did this week on Busting with
the Boys, said he went into his senior season with
a one point six GPA, went into his final exam
of his senior year in Spanish with a thirty five percent.

(01:02:58):
Somehow got into mission in yeah, and somehow, yeah, exactly. So,
so we're not getting ready to sit here and act
like that that that that doesn't go on regularly, right,
and and so he needs to put a little bit
more energy in the recruiting. Their office of line was

(01:03:19):
horrible last year. Was a freeway to the quarterback, so
much so that both quarterbacks left. They were like, I'm
not getting I mean because we felt bad for the kid.
Last last year he was getting his teeth kick dead.
And now they changed from Bill Musgrave, who was my
office of coordinator at at Jacksonville my first year. He

(01:03:41):
has good concepts all of that stuff. I'm not sure
whether we're dealing with a situation like went on with
Mario crystal Ball where he puts his thumb on the offense.
So much that then it slows things down because they
want to play defensive are certain ways, so they don't
want to have three in outs. They they're more concerned

(01:04:04):
with ball control than putting points on the board. And
now with Jake spabbatall, I am concerned because Texas State
where he was the head coach, and remember he's by
by trading offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. So for that,
if you're an I mean that would that would be
like Dan Landing putting together a terrible defense four years

(01:04:27):
in a row, you know what I'm saying. And Texas
State averaged twenty one point to game last year. They
were like bottom ten percent of all of college football.
So this scares me for cal If I'm being honest.
Are you scared him more of the same? Yes, But
he was with Sunny Dikes and all they did was score,

(01:04:51):
So I'm not sure what to make of it. Yeah,
And It'll be interesting because you know, it is the personnel.
Do they have enough experienced personnel to go out there
and be competitive right away? I think they're going to
be one of the more fascinating teams of the upcoming
season because I think on paper, you're like, what are

(01:05:13):
they what are they throwing out there? They were already
kind of thin. They lost a bunch of people to
transfer portal. It is wild to lose your quarterback and
your backup. Yes, yep, like that is that is genuinely wild.
I think it speaks to a certain level of either
dysfunction or mistrust, or maybe it's just Wilcox getting everybody

(01:05:37):
the hell up out of there. But when you've been
there long enough, you built the building, and you're going
to tear the building down, Like, Okay, I guess that's
your prerogative. But at the same time, like you're you
don't own Cow, You're not Mark the Mark Cuban of Cow.
You have bosses and if they care, eventually this is

(01:06:00):
going to start to be an issue. So I mean,
if they don't have an upswing gere uh, it's going
to be a problem. Um, he is justin Wilcox. Is
is somebody who has a good enough reputation where where
he's probably going to be paid seven figures ten seconds

(01:06:23):
after if he was to ever lose that couch come
in and run their defense. Yep, So he you know,
I think he can operate with a certain level of impunity.
Knowing that he's going to be fine. Um, but I'm
concerned for the health of the program for sure. And
you know, this is kind of an interesting addition for him.

(01:06:44):
And we'll see what spavitt All can do because he
you know, he was there once before. And maybe that's
the best of both worlds because cal was dissatisfied with
with only having an offense and no defense, and now
they're dissatisfied with only having a defense and no offense.
Maybe this is the peanut, butter and jelly. Maybe this
is what they need, hopefully man, because they do have

(01:07:06):
a shot and all of that. UM ucla new defensive coordinator,
Danton Lynn, who is the son of a man that
I that was former Chargers head coach and a man
who was our dB coach when I was out in Jacksonville.

(01:07:28):
And this dude is thirty three years old, right, so
he was born in nineteen eighty nine. He had he
played for the Jets for He was on the practice
squad Tiger Hamilton Hamilton Tiger Cats the next year in
two thirteen, next year in two thousand and fourteen, he
was a seasonal mind. He is he got out of

(01:07:53):
college in two thousand and twelve out of Penn State.
Twenty fourteen, he was a seasonal in turn with the Jets,
Buffalo Bill's assistant fifteen sixteen, defensive assistant with the Chargers
with his pops in seventeen, Houston Texans assistant secondary coach
nineteen and twenty I'm sorry eighteen nineteen Houston Texans, Oh,

(01:08:18):
I'm sorry, yeah, and then Houston Texans secondary coach in
twenty twenty, Ravens safety coach in twenty one twenty two.
This is a dude who's on his way. He's on
he on his way, he's arrived. Yes, he's well, true,
he's a defensive coordinator. Ed right, yeah? Right? Is this?
Does this kind of surprise you with You know, Chip

(01:08:41):
Kelly only wanted to coach with people he'd been around
for thirty three years, and now he's hiring thirty three
year olds for one of the most important responsibilities that
there is. Is Chip of changing, Maybe, dude, maybe it is.
This is a positive sign. Obviously, Jerry Asinara was like

(01:09:04):
a thousand years old and Chip's best friend, and now
it is time to get to somebody who has young,
innovative concepts. He's been in the NFL, which probably means
he might say he might not be there for long
because guys who go to the NFL don't typically want
to come back to college. Well, one of the reasons
that they don't want to come back to college is

(01:09:24):
because they'll have to recruit, but Chip Kelly doesn't. All
you have to do is go off chips chart. Is
a kid? Is the kid six four with a six
eight wingspan? And does he sleep eight and a half
hours a night? Is he allergic to shellfish? No? Sign
him up? Don't. You don't even have to go out
and find kids. If they fit the chart, then that's

(01:09:45):
who you go after. So maybe he won't have to
do as much recruiting and he won't get sick of it. Yeah,
it'll be interesting to see how this season works out
for them, because I thought they underachieved the last year
by only winning nine games. I thought ten was the

(01:10:06):
like the number that they needed to win. And this
year they started out the season with Coastal Carolina the
Shanta clears. Uh say, that's not a guaranteed, w man,
A little listen, you UCLA ain't losing a Coastal Carolina.

(01:10:27):
Then they play at San Diego State unless San Diego
State has fixed it fixed their quarterback problem. You said
Lasia win that one. Um, North Carolina Central, they better
not lose that game under that, Like like that's yeah,
no Homer, Am I gonna get to see UCLA man
that HBCU. Yeah in a twenty thousand seat stadium. No,

(01:10:50):
it's at the Rose Bowl, So I knew you were
gonna say that. Um, then they play at Rice Eucles.
They have a bye week. Now, they could win at
Rice Eccles depending on whose quarterbacking, because we know that
their quarterback as a torn a cl his third right

(01:11:13):
torn a cl for cam Rising. Yep. Um, Washington they
go Washington State at Oregon State at Stafford, Colorado at Arizona,
Arizona State at USC and cow Oh my god, bro,
they got it. They got it light. They avoided Oregon
and Washington. Are they going to be playing an eighteen

(01:11:37):
year old at quarterback? Um? I think Justin Martin might
still be eighteen, but but he might be nineteen when
the Caesar starts. So it's fo. You think Justin Martin's
gonna beat out Ethan Garber's and Dante Moore? Yes, I hope.
So I like Justin Martin, I like, I like all
three of those quarterbacks. They have the st What is

(01:12:00):
crazy is there is no excuse for Chip Kelly as
far as not having stability at quarterback posis. I just
talked to Justin on Saturday, right when Dante Moore came
in and the kid from Kent State. There wasn't even
an ion of discussion with him or his family. And
I talked to his mom too about transferring. That didn't

(01:12:24):
even come up in the conversation. He was like, oh, yeah, bro, brother,
this competition, I understand how it is. They'll see and
he believes that Chip, which is the most important thing.
He believes that Chip will play the best person to
win the game. And and he was like, I believe

(01:12:49):
that'll be me. Well, I wish UCLA the best next year,
but I honestly don't care if they go in twelve.
They're not yeah, yeah, they're not Pack Pack twelve people anymore.
And truthfully, even if Oregon and Washington we're going to
the Big ten, I wouldn't still care because now now

(01:13:11):
we're all mercenaries, there's no there's no back to pack,
there's no back to Big Ten. It is killer be
killed at that point. I mean at the same time,
like with uc USC last year, obviously you were you
were not going out of your way to root for USC.
Had they brought had they brought a natty to the

(01:13:34):
PAC twelve, I would have claimed it. No, no, no,
because they wouldn't have let you claim it. Okay, they
would have said no, no, no, we are USC, we
are a separate entity. We we don't belong to you.
But they would have been touting their resume as reason
for getting into college Football Playoff, which was we would

(01:13:55):
have been running through the PAC twelve. Yeah, all right,
Uh Oregon Oregon State, what did they do? Uh that
says Oregon I think, oh yeah, it was Oregon staff
on our notes. Oregon State did nothing. They've managed to retain,
which is crazy defense. Yeah, so that maybe that's news

(01:14:20):
in and of itself that Oregon State still has bray
and and and uh what's their OC's name that is
always rumored to be going to Arizona State and never
does they still have everybody, is what I'm saying is
and so so nothing for Oregon State. Oregon big changes though. Yeah,
office A coordinator Will will Stein, who came from UTSA

(01:14:43):
now unlike cow Utsa had one of the better offices
in the country, and and like when Washington State just
added a Western Kentucky's co offensive coordinator. So you have
people drawing from that is what it. Cal did what
they did based on past success, and Oregon and Washington

(01:15:04):
State did what they did based on current success. Yeah,
and um and and Oregon because Adrian Clem left Oregon
and went back to the Patriots. And we also, um

(01:15:26):
oh side note, just found out and saw that Gary
Bryant is visiting Oregon. I didn't know he was still
on the market. He was a really really big deal
coming out of coming out of high school. Just didn't
fit in the Lincoln Riley's plans, I guess. Yeah. So,
um so Oregon then had to find uh a new

(01:15:50):
offensive line coach, and they went with a young a
young man, a young man. They went with elite Terry,
who had been in a assistant there previously, it was
former grad assistant and now he's their office of line coach. Now,
so why can you explain to me why so many

(01:16:10):
former Oregon players were like, oh, they they cashed in
with this one, because I don't even know who league
Terry is. Yeah, they did bring in Mike Kavanaugh to
oversee him. Yes, Mike Kavanaugh has like been doing this
for thirty years. He was at ASU for the last
few years. But like, what is it about a league
terry that has like Panay Sule and all these other
people saying that that out it was smart? I think

(01:16:35):
he's smart, He's energetic, and clearly he's going to connect
on the recruiting level, on the recruiting trail because when
players respond like that, that means that recruits are going
to respond with that same energy too. So this is
I mean, this is a guy that like Calvin Throckmorton

(01:16:56):
and Shame mu and pay yeah, all the all the
all the NFL guys swear by him. Interesting, so listen.
So with that and then adding Kavanaugh, you would believe
that there is a high chance for success. Obviously, nothing
is guaranteed, but you know, and Oregon this year is

(01:17:17):
going to be sporting a new offensive line. But that
kind of hasn't really matter because they've recruited, well, they've
gotten good guys out of the portal, got a bunch
of guys who are in the NFL and guys that
are going to the NFL. So you know, all right,
we'll see Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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app search f SR to listen live. The new Heisman
odds are out and Caleb Williams is plus four hundred
best odds. Drake May second best odds. Tied for a

(01:18:00):
third are Jordan Travis Bownicks and Michael Pennocks Jr. And
then and then Brock van de Griff and then Quinn
Eelers and Clay kay club Nick. What are we doing here?
This is interesting because so we have on the Heisman odds,

(01:18:22):
oh and Jayden Daniels plus two thousand, because we do
have to pay attention to good old Jayden. There's zero
chance to Jaden Daniels is winning a Heisman. They're not
going to give a quarterback that throws eighteen touchdowns in
a season a Heisman because he rushes for twelve touchdowns
if they go undefeated. Maybe, but like I just that's
not Those aren't the kind of like stats to get you.
I think he may get invited to the ceremony if

(01:18:46):
he does what he did last year again I still
don't know, because some of these guys put up crazy numbers.
But so with three of the top five are in
the PAC twelve, three of the top five in the
PAC twelve, I think that's huge, right yep. Um. What's
interesting about this is that Bo Nix and Jordan Travis

(01:19:07):
to Kenny Dillingham, guys that Kenny Dillingham doesn't coach anymore.
Do we think that maybe Arizona State one of their
fifty million quarterbacks that came in should be included on
this list somewhere? Is Kenny Dillingham the quarterback Whisperer? Because
it's crazy that's people had given up on on on

(01:19:27):
Jordan Travis and bow Knicks and now they're two of
the top five in the in the Heisman odds leading
into twenty twenty three. Yeah, what do they have in common? Yeah?
You are? You are right about that. Now? The question
is ken is Caleb Williams talented enough to win the
Heisman Trophy again? Absolutely, with one hand tied behind his back. Probably, Yes,

(01:19:51):
he's a freak. The problem is is that the Heisman
has typically gone like something in that second year when
you win it early, it just doesn't go right. There.
I mean like even when you still have a very
successful season like Lamar Jackson did the next year, or
Matt Liner did, or who whoever else, because there's been

(01:20:14):
a bunch of people that have gotten invited to the
ceremony a second time. But the voters want to be surprised, yes,
and you can't surprise somebody when you're the defending Heisman winner.
It's very hard to say, yeah, like you have to
go over and above which was a stupid season last year,
and it makes it like it's very difficult to outdo it.

(01:20:35):
And and if you even even when you look at
Archie Griffin's numbers, the numbers his second year weren't that
great comparison to the first time he won it, so
so people were voting that year like, oh, he's the
best player. Yeah, And now you're gonna always have somebody

(01:20:56):
that is going to have a stellar season on a
on a Max Duggin type team or something like that,
like a guy that comes that wasn't at the ceremony
last year. So you might have Michael Pennox junior, who
we all expect to have another good, good year, right,
But but what typically happens Ankle Sprain. Uh, you know,

(01:21:20):
wide receivers get hurt, the defense plays bad, you drop
a couple of games, like you, It doesn't necessarily mean
that the player didn't play as well or wasn't fantastic.
It just means that you just had such an outlier season.
And then imagine that, right, Imagine Caleb Williams doing what

(01:21:41):
he does and having a season that's comparable to last year,
but then USC drops two or three games, and then
you have Michael Pennox Junior or Bonnicks do the exact
same thing stat wise that the Williams did last year.
Who is going to win in es scenario one of

(01:22:05):
those two dudes. Yeah, I agree with you, and I
do think that the voters just want to be they
want to be surprised. All so these odds do no
favors to Cable Williams. He's gonna have to play perfect.
He is so good that he's capable of it. And
so that's one of those things where it's like maybe
I could absolutely see him repeating, and I think he
deserves to be the favorite. Drake May Drake May is

(01:22:28):
on this as somebody who you know that North Carolina
offense is very friendly but Drake May is almost on
here is like who people believe will be a top
five NFL correct, correct? You know whereas I see Michael
Pennis Bonix and Jordan Travis and I'm like, oh, those
guys all have the chance to be the best college
football player, but you you know for a fact, sorry,

(01:22:49):
you mean the best quarterback of the season, not necessarily
the best football player, right right, You are correct, man.
This is It's fascinating because there's not too many people.
Usually I all have two or three guys that are
in the back of my head. As you know, this
is a guy that could absolutely go off. I do

(01:23:11):
love mikey Keane at Fresno State, but no one's ever
gonna give anybody at Fresno State at Heisman bro Bro,
do you realize what so so Fresno State would have
to be ranked inside the top fifteen, so that means
they would have to go eleven and one plus the
conference championship twelve and one, and he would have to
have the most ridiculous season that has ever happened. Yes,
I am aware, I am They would have to throw

(01:23:35):
for like sixty touchdowns and five interceptions and his team
be and have like ten heisman moments, what would hey,
has it ever happened? Where like there's no FCS players allowed,
right because they because they have their own heisman. Because

(01:23:57):
I'm just thinking, like what if Sam Humard comes out
and oh over at cow Poly Yeah yeah? Or or
or what if Dju lives up to his five star
ranking under the under the tutelage of Jonathan Smith at
Oregon State. He could He's a He's a guy that
could not be on that list and then be on
the list. Do you know who's not on the list

(01:24:19):
that I'm fascinated by because they usually have bait names,
guys that have a big name that they just want
you to cast a bet toward. Like to me, Devin
Brown is on this list as a bait name because
he could win the job at Ohio State. Therefore, someone's
gonna you're gonna post. Somebody's gonna put yeah, someone, somebody's
gonna put nice money. I'm sorry, somebody's gonna put up

(01:24:42):
nice stats. Whoever's the quarterback out of the Ohio State's
gonna put up good stats. I might do it. You
and I will be in Vegas this weekend. I might
put money on Devin Brown just because five thousand and one.
Why not? But like the there, I'm surprised you door
Sanders name isn't on here just as a bait name.
That's that's a jack. That's a good call, right, he

(01:25:02):
definitely should be on it. But Colorado was so freaking
bad last year. Bro, they were bad. They were bad.
You are correct? I cannot oh, can I talk about
the energy at Colorado right now? What are you talking about?
Like from in person? Yes, yeah, go ahead. First of all,
the stadium is amazing, like it's inside of a building.

(01:25:23):
I'd never been to Colorado. I've only seen games there.
They weren't in the Pac twelve. When I was in
the Pac ten, i played Colorado, but we played them
in the Fiesta Bowl. Obviously understand their fans are tremendous.
They wilted away the cool. Yeah, campus is cool. They
wiltered away the program, giving coaches one year deals and

(01:25:43):
like they did a bunch of administrative nonsense. But when
you go in there, you can feel the energy. Everybody
is walking around there, like Willie Tagger said, with an
enthusiasm that is unknown to mankind. It is or and
that Jim Harbo says the same thing. Their Their energy

(01:26:05):
is wild, like everybody is excited to be there. And
that's why I talked about um. Like some some people
ask me, they said, so, do you think Dion's gonna
be able to win there this this year? What do
you think the record is going to be? And I
was thinking, like, I feel it doesn't feel right to
give them a record for a prediction. That the most

(01:26:28):
important thing that needs to happen for Dion in Colorado
this year is to keep hope alive. That they need
to at the end of the because there's a lot
of hope around. There were season tickets everything else. Yeah,
Number one, they need to not get blown out. Aside
from if they play you know, like maybe Oregon or

(01:26:48):
Washington or USC like that can kind of be the
only ways that you get blown out. They need to
not get blown out just because I don't want to
find out who Don is after a seven touch down
blowout loss. Oh, let USC put up. Let them win
like fifty to seventeen. I mean, because the beginning of

(01:27:15):
his season, bro, that is not for play. Like, so
they have at TCU, which is gonna be a tough
game because it's in Fort Worth. Then they played Nebraska,
who's gonna be significantly better and Nebraska hates Colorado and
always has ye, both of those two teams wish they

(01:27:38):
were still in the same conference together. They hate each
other yep. And then they played Colorado State, which is
right down the street from them, went to went to
both schools. Colorado State's offense they how mummy is the
OC They literally run what Leech runs because his dad

(01:27:58):
and Leech did the air raid thing. Then they play
at Oregon and then USC. Is there a team that
has a tougher start to the season than that? I
don't think so, but that is insane. And then they
play did you say they play in Lincoln? No? No, no,

(01:28:21):
they play Well, if it was in Lincoln, then like guarantee,
I'm like, wow, they really have to go to the
team that played in the College Football Payoffs. They're gonna
have crazy energy. Then they had to go to Lincoln.
Then they have to go to Eugene. That's insanity. But
what do you think their first steam is gonna be read? Yeah?
So what is? And then they play at a s
U which is gonna have a lot of energy too.

(01:28:42):
So for their first six games TC and they have
no bye weeks in between TCU Nebraska, Colorado State at
Colorado at Oregon, USC at Arizona State. What will their
record be after the first six games. I think it
will be two and four. I think two and four
is which two? Which? Two? I think they beat Colorado State,

(01:29:07):
even though I can guarantee you Jane Norvelle is stays
up at night thinking about beating Colorado again. I guarantee
you that Jane Norvelle sees Deon Sanders got that job
after Jane Norvell put in thirty five years in this
profession and wants to beat deonzap. I guarantee you Jane

(01:29:28):
Norvelle thinks about this every day. Guarantee. Yes, I do
think they beat Colorado State, though, because that program is
not in good shape, and oh gosh, Nebraska is not good.
So to me, that's a toss up, and as us
a toss up, so two toss ups, I'll give him

(01:29:49):
one win. So to me, that's two and four. Two
and four I think would be considered surviving. They do
have Travis Hunter. Would you like to name somebody that
can cover him or that can uh well not? And
they and they got a freshman and they got a
freshman too, Yeah, Kirk Cormanie McLean, Clay Cormanie McClain. Yeah.

(01:30:13):
And if he's half the player Travis Hunter is, then
that's one of the most talented defensive backfields in the country. Yep.
So they're gonna be in some of these games. I
do not have There's a lot of people that doubt
should her. I don't. I think he's gonna be fine.
I think it's gonna be great. Here here, Here's the
thing that I truly believe, right, is that there's going

(01:30:37):
to be a learning curve for Dion out in in Boulder.
There's gonna be a learning curve. There's a big difference
from going to play in Jackson State in terms of
schemes that work all of this stuff, to when you
come into Pack twelve. Because at Jackson State, his teams
were more talented by year two than everybody else that

(01:30:59):
they played. Again, right, like they always had the most
talented team. But when you go into the Pac twelve
and you play Nebraska and you play TCU, your team
is not going to be the most talented team weekend

(01:31:19):
and week out. It's just not And you're probably only
gonna have the most talented team. Probably three games on
your schedule this year. I'm talking about with the talent
assembled this year, maybe three games. Yeah, he's he's probably
thinking they're gonna be five and one six zero. He
doesn't think like that, so well, well, if fire were him,

(01:31:43):
I wouldn't be thinking about the damn record. I'm I'm
grind and trying to just Yeah, but but that's for
us to talk about. Yeah, all I know is Nebraska
fans are gonna they're gonna buy up every seat in Boulder,
and then you're gonna have to go out to Eugene
and you give Eugene fans a reason to be that
loud in that stadium that early in the season. Yep,

(01:32:08):
that's gonna be interesting. Yeah, I'm I can. I'm thrilled
that Colorado is relevant and Dion did that, like when
he goes to La La Loves Stars. People are going
to come out to see Colorado. They are Yep, exactly,

(01:32:28):
they they are gonna go. Um, Now, what other big
transfers do we need to talk about within the conference
or well? DJ, First of all, I want to get
into the Jaden rashot A thing because I don't think
we've we've recalled all that went down. Did I miss that? Oh? Yes, yes,
yes I did miss that. You know you you're close

(01:32:48):
to the situation, so I don't you know, it is
what it is. But I feel like the media has
done a pretty decent job outside of one Athletic article
that I thought was highly irrespondible. They had Ari Wasserman
out at the Elite eleven, Yeah, the Elite eleven finals
in Tennessee as a as a reporter, and then they

(01:33:10):
say that an Athletic reporter reported seeing Jaden roshot of crying.
But like, why would you hide your own reporter as
a source in your story? So I've I have issues
with the Athletic for them. I thought that the cornballshit
from the Athletic the same way that they decided to

(01:33:31):
when they wrote an article about Russell Wilson this last week,
said said from the Athletic staff with the inflammatory stuff
in it. Oh so so why. I Also, it's the
public's job to tell you whether or not you did
a good job. And one of the things that I'm
sick of from the Athletic is like they'll put out
an article which is their job, literally their job, and

(01:33:54):
then all of them will get on a podcast together
and pat each other on the back before the reaction
to what they didn't even have, Like, can you believe
that we were able to put this together? Yeah, dude,
it's your job. It's literally your job to write things.
And so you know, they just kind of exist in
this in this circle jerk bubble and it's but though

(01:34:15):
Jaden were shot a thing, you know, they had the numbers,
they didn't want to implicate Darren, They couldn't implicate Darren Heyner.
But Darren Heyner came off looking pretty terrible. Um, if
somebody The thing that I appreciated was it seems that
the overwhelming majority of the reaction from even people with
with non functioning brains was that if somebody offers you

(01:34:38):
thirteen million dollars, you're going to agree to it. Yes,
So that's and then when that money's not there, then
it is what it is. You told me this was
happening before it every went down. And the fact that
he ended up at Arizona is Arizona State is interesting
because Arizona State's got a bunch of quarterbacks. Well, here

(01:34:58):
here is the here's the thing that I have learned
over the last two months, and I will detail this
a lot more after my son signs is a letter
of intent. And because there have been some things like

(01:35:19):
there's a there is one coach that I know very well, right,
his office coordinator wanted to his office coordinator quarterbacks coach
wanted to offer my son a scholarship. That head coach,
he approves all of the offers that go out turn

(01:35:39):
on the film. Oh is that is this kid related
to George Reister? Yes? Oh no, we're not even looking
at this kid. We're not even looking at this kid
because he didn't like something that I said about him
on which was and you know who this is. So
do you think I said anything unfair or untrue about

(01:36:02):
him or his program? No, no, I don't. But I
also understand that people are sensitive, and if you are sensitive,
then you know that that's going to be the result.
So to take it out on your but I've also
called him as a good but I've also said he's
a good coach too. Yeah, But to take it out

(01:36:23):
on your kid, or to take it out on yourself
by not giving yourself the best opportunity to win, would
reinforce maybe saying some additional things about that coach exactly exactly.
So um, yeah, I'm not going to be totally obvious
about it. So what we will have this conversation at

(01:36:46):
a later date. For sure, I'm sure Harlonard Shotta has
a million stories about how crazy this whole thing was. Well,
and if he was a father, he wanted the best
for his son period. Yeah, And people would like on
different message boards constantly say, oh, it's about the money
with the Rashot, it's it's about the money that it matters.
But the thing is, if you have value, when is

(01:37:08):
it not about the money, Like like when when you're
going to go get a job and you're trying to
figure out the optimal place for you to work out. Obviously,
everybody wants to be in geographically desirable location. For some
people that's Iowa, some people that's Florida, some people it's
New York, some people it's California. So geographically desirable with

(01:37:32):
good work conditions, right, So like those are and where
your family is going to be happy like that. Those
are the three constants. But now the differentiator between those,
which adds a sliding scale to some of those metrics,
is money. So if you have value, so for anybody
to say, Oh, it shouldn't be about the money. If

(01:37:54):
you have value, why would you go somewhere that may
be equal in your mind to another place for free? Well,
just think about it this way. Let's take a guy
like Beijean Robinson. Right, this is one of the most
talented running backs I've ever seen, And yes I'm being

(01:38:14):
a homer about it, but also objectively he is up there.
Yeah for sure, all time leader in yards per carry
at University of Texas. Do many running backs have gone
through University of Texas? Yes, you had Ricky Williams. Uh oh,
the kid in Carolina this year, Cedric Benson. Yeah, like

(01:38:37):
they have a dude's after dude after dude after this
is a dude in Carolina? Now, um, well Carolina has
a no besides Hubbard. Yes, there were going, Um yeah,
so there's you know, let's say that the best thing

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for Beijan's a rear, long term for the next forty
years of his life would be to slip to twenty
seven and go to Buffalo. Yeah, let's say that that's
the best thing for his career. Okay, do you think
that that means that Beijan if a team calls and
says we're going to take you at nine. That Beijean
will be like, actually, I was hoping to fall to
twenty seven. No, right you. So you immediately are like, God,

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that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
Exactly right. So why is it not different for Jaden
Rashata for University of Florida to come to him and say,
we think you're the most valuable quarterback in the country.
We're going to prove it. When you say like, well, actually,
I think it's probably better for my future to not
get more money in college than most quarterbacks make over

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their rookie deal. Yeah, And the reality is is that
if the money gets paid out, And that's part of
the thing that I wanted to talk about about this
is that so there are some schools and and I
know that people are gonna say I'm a homer and
all this stuff, right, but one of the schools that
recruits consistently talk about that is doing well in NIL

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is the University of Oregon. They are not having kids
on the campus unhappy. And one of the things that
makes and granted there are the schools that are paying
some of their kids more money than they are at Organs,
So I'm not denying that. However, one of the things
that sets expectations and frustrations is unfulfilled promises, and Oregon

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has not been making unfulfilled promises. You have USC who's collective,
from what I understand, paid out Caleb Williams like fifteen
thousand dollars last year that the boulevard which is now
since the now since is the defunct boulevard. It's gone.

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They're trying to create a new one with Keyshawn Johnson
and Alex Holmes. So so their collective is done. Like
there's so many of these ones that were promising kids
money and all this stuff, and the money ain't showed up.
So you are going to see and this is why
when people freaked out, oh, inducements, inducements, listen, the market

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will correct itself because these are shrewd businessmen and they
are not just going to keep throwing good money after bad.
And now Arizona State might blow this, but their current
strategy is retention over inducement, so that you actually can
come to campus and have people say like, yeah, this
is what I got for coming back for year two
or year three. Yep, I think that that's probably the

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future of this. Yes, but the money has to be there.
People are promising money that's not cash in hand, yes, correct,
they're doing it based on investment portfolios that go up
and go down. It's very possible that money is promised
to kids based on what people thought that cryptocurrency was
going to do. All of a sudden, Sam Free Bankman
or whatever his name is behind bars. You know, markets changed,

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You don't have them the cash that you said to have.
So what's gonna go? Your promise is gonna go? Yep, Right,
you've dealt with this, just even at the high school level.
You've dealt with this. I'm seeing people make big cash
promises and not you know, and and and situation changes.
This stuff happens. So you have to understand that, like

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what somebody says they have in an nil collective unless
it's cash on hand, is completely meaningless. You are one right,
right it is. It is fool's gold. And it just
doesn't work, man, It just does not work at all. Um.
But uh yeah, so we are going to see some

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drastic changes. So don't you get your little panties in
a bunch of people. Yeah, that's since we do. We
went along on Rashada. Do you think how do you
think he's gonna be? Okay, Arizona State. I think it's
a good situation for him. Yeah it is. He turned
down TCU. They they visited Arizona State, TCU and what
other school and they did like so. And it was

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funny because when people are like, oh, Washington is his
most like, he was like, yo, we didn't even heard
from Washington yea like on that on that level at all,
so that that was just hogwash. But yeah, since we
went long on Rashana, let's get into transfers next time. Okay,
tune in next week or tweeks from now or whenever
we record. But it's it's a long offseason. You gotta

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let us have our personal lives. We don't even know
if this conference is coming back. It's the end of
the world party. We're up on the roof like Independence
Day with a sign yeah saying welcome, welcome, people, welcome.
All right, I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Ampton. This is
the PAC Twelve Apostles