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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only
the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles, Apostles. I'm George Rice. There,
he's Ralph Amson, and this is the Pack twelve Apostles.

(00:22):
We had another great week of college football, another great
week of games. The Pack twelve acts. He had some
really big games. There are playoff implications and everything else,
and that's where we will start. Ralph. Does the Pac
twelve have a path to the playoff. That's a tough question.

(00:44):
It's a tough question because right now, Oregon is the
top ranked one lost team in the country outside of
one team, Alabama, Right, and they're not going to pass
Alabama unless Georgia beats Alabama in the UH in the

(01:05):
SEC Championship, Right, But all things being equal, if they
both stay with one loss, then it's not gonna happen.
But that means Georgia and Alabama are getting back in
the playoffs if so like, if Alabama runs the rest
of the table and then Georgia wins every game until
they get to the Pack to the SEC Championship, one

(01:28):
of those two teams is going to I mean, sorry,
both of those teams are going to the playoff. That's
just gonna be what it's what it's gonna be, unless,
like I don't even know if Clemson actually Clemson going
undefeated won't even be able to matter in that in
that case, because Clemson they don't look that good right
right right now. And I got to see them in

(01:49):
bashm this weekend. Yeah, I gotta see them in person
this weekend. They've had a decently tough schedule and they've
hung on in a lot of games. But eventually, you
play Russian roulette, you get shot. You played enough times,
and that that's that's kind of where they're at right now. Um.
The weird thing about the way that it's set up

(02:10):
right now is there's a path for three SEC teams
to get into the College Football Playoff. All it's gonna
take is for Tennessee to beat Georgia and then not lose.
I guess, well, I guess that would have whoever wins
the West is gonna have lost in the SEC Championship

(02:33):
and have a second loss. So now, so what it
would mean, So then let me let me rethink it.
It would be Georgia beating Tennessee and Alabama. Yes, yes,
that would be the nightmare scenario for because because even
even like me being an advocate for other conferences, I

(02:53):
wouldn't know how to argue three teams in the SEC
out of the College Football Playoff in that specific situation
because Georgia would have that win over Oregon and Oregon
would be right there. Uh Clemson, Um, you know, if
they don't lose, then they are going to stay ahead
of Oregon, but they also might not get in. Yeah,

(03:18):
and you know what, it's crazy about that. So I
don't think that Clemson is going to be able to
walk through the rain drops. But I mean we saw
Notre Dame do it a long time ago when they
ended up in the National Championship when everybody was like
Oregon's better that that year. But it's crazy how scheduling matters. Right,
So Michigan played Colorado State, Hawaii and Yukon in the

(03:42):
non conference and you're probably wondering, Okay, what does that
have to do with the Pack twelve. Because Michigan canceled
U c L a Ino and in So that's how
it matters. So now imagine and if Michigan had to
have played U c l A instead of Hawaii and

(04:08):
then next year with e c U, so their non
conference schedule is terrible next year too. So now imagine
if they had to play U c l A, which
could be a loss, right, or even if they played
Georgia and then Oregon switches that Hawaii game out that
Georgia game for Hawaii Georgia. That makes Oregon undefeated and

(04:33):
in the top because of where they came in in
the season, they're probably ahead of Michigan at this point, right,
So you're incentivizing week scheduling, which I'm I'm not a
fan of, which I think unless Michigan beach Ohio State
would be something that I would consider. Uh, if you're
looking at a one loss Oregon versus um a one

(04:57):
loss Michigan, like I in that you would give that.
But there's other issues with this. There's the possibility that
Clemson could run the table. I don't think they will.
There's the possibility that TCU could run the table. They
look fantastic, but they don't play defense. So it's it's
possible that because their schedule still has they gotta play

(05:18):
at West Virginia, who is not very good, but it's
still you have to go to Morgantown. Uh that I
think they have to play at Texas, and I think
the Texas game might be on the road. Yeah. And
the Big Ten is not that good this year. Outside
of Michigan and Ohio State, they got nothing. But if

(05:38):
Illinois is ranked, Illinois isn't play anybody. Yeah, I Illinois
is legit on one side of the ball, like very legit.
Like I would trade any defense in the Pact twelve
for Illinois defense. But oh absolutely, I absolutely watch them.

(05:58):
Watch them. Have you seen them? I've watched them. Bro.
There's not a chance, Bro, there's not a chance. First
thing is this is a team. Yes, they held Iowa
to six points. Everybody holds Iowa to six points. Um.
They beat Minnesota. Wisconsin is awful this year awful. Um.

(06:21):
And they lost to Indiana. Bro, No, absolutely not. That
has nothing to do with that. That has nothing to
do with their defense. There's defense is cool, but they
haven't played any good offenses either when they're just making
these offenses. Look, there is one team in college football, George,
that is giving up less than four yards to play one.

(06:44):
There is one. There are two teams. Two teams in
all of college football that have given up less than
nine offensive touchdowns. One of them is Georgia. One of
them is Illinois. They've both only given up five touchdowns.
Illinois is twenty yards ahead of next team in team
yards per game. Like, they're very, very good on one side,

(07:06):
Yes they are. I'm not doubt. I'm not. I'm not.
I'm not arguing with you that the Big ten's not. Yes,
you do you literally that is literally the argument that
you just may know they're not good and they haven't
played anybody, that their defense is good, but it is
not what you're making it out to be. I would
trade their defense in a heartbeat for any Pack twelve defense.

(07:28):
If you put this Illinois defense, Illinois defense on on U. C.
L A or Oregon, that's a national championship contender, period.
It's the truth. It's the truth they defro to keep
up with. When when if they make it to the
to the Big Ten Championship against Ohio State, they're gonna

(07:50):
lose by a million because football has played on two
sides of the ball. No, no, no no, I'm saying they're
going to get fifty points. Word on them. No, they're not. Okay,
all right, anyway, I'm telling you, I'm telling you this
defense is so good. I would trade every I would trade. Now,

(08:13):
I wouldn't say I would trade like an All Pac
twelve defense for an old Illinois Oregon in U c
l A. I would drop in a heartbeat for Illinois defense.
Oh my god, are you are you drinking right now? No,
it's that. So what you're saying is the statistical, by

(08:35):
far record number defense in the n C double A
isn't better than Oregon, who didn't force U c l
A to punt. Uh, that's actually a miss. I mean
they also got a turnover on downs as well, So
like that that that's actually better than him? But whatever, Okay,

(08:58):
Well U c l A almost scored as many touchdowns
in that game. They've definitely had as many scoring drives
in that game as Illinois has given up touchdowns all season.
This isn't a big tampo, not just Illinois. If they
play a good offensive team they are going to give
that team will look worse than they usually do because
Illinois defense statistically is the best in all of college

(09:21):
football this year. And so, so I was defense is
really good? Right? Yeah? They got points hung on them
this week. They turned the ball over on the first
two drives, I would did, I'm just saying they got
fifty points. Well, sorry, their their their defense got thirty

(09:43):
six points hung on them this week. Right, How your
offense runs is part of how your defense plays. Points.
Offense sucks, and they're still giving up three point seven
eight yards per play. All right, that's better nobody with
a pulse and and and that will that that will change.
Can you tell me the top Pack twelve team in

(10:03):
yards per play? I would say, oh, that's a that's
a good question. I am going to go with I'm
gonna go with Cal. Probably it's utah At tied for

(10:24):
thirty seven at five point nine yards per play. Yeah,
because they actually play play people who can score. The
Pack twelve has some of the best offenses in the country.
Then if you gave and if you gave you taught
Illinois defense this year, they would be very very good.
They would have beat Florida, they would have handled USC

(10:47):
and they probably would have beat U c l A. Okay, okay,
So so now you're caping for a bunch of three
star guys that are gonna beat the five star guys
at at other schools. No, I'm keeping. Oh no, I'm
keeping for the fact that I've watched this team play
and the statistics say that their number one. Yeah, it's
like literally every fact is on my side. There's not

(11:10):
a single thing that you could say besides uh no
and no is not an argument. Okay, what is what?
What is the best offense that they that they've played?
Who is it? Minnesota? Minnesota who was like number one
in the in the Big Ten up until last week. Okay,

(11:33):
in your yardage in a conference that includes Ohio State,
I'm just I'm just I'm just asking. Is two one
defensive yards per game is otherworldly? Yeah? It's otherworldly. It's
not It's not quite as otherworldly when you're playing against
teams they can't score. But that that's a whole You've
still gotta do what you do. You still gotta do

(11:55):
what you do. Nobody, I'm not gonna ship on Oregon's
offense because no one in the past twelve plays defense,
but Utah and Utah is not barely my U c
l A doesn't play defense. I know you watched their
game against all right, all right, okay, so now let's

(12:16):
move u c l A. U c l A is
not even the top fifty in yards. Yards. Yards don't
equal points, my friend, yards do not. Okay, okay, you
you have officially turned into Kirk ference. All right, so

(12:37):
the games this week actually, um, so the games this
week now? Actually, how would you judge this last week
of back twelve games? You know why? You know why
I went hard for Illinois, right because they probably have
somebody for Arizona in there. They do not. Who is

(12:57):
their week one opponent, Wyoming? And they trounced Wyoming And
I've spent that whole game like sitting on my living
room floor with my head in my hands. And so
I had to watch them against Indiana, and I had
to watch them against another team. I was like, is
Wyoming this bad? Or is Illinois is good? So I've
been watching Illinois every week just saying that Illinois does

(13:19):
not have a good defense. They don't have a defense
that that can that can hold up against good teams.
Is what is? What the point I'm making is, I'm
saying their defense is better than the twelve pack twelve defenses,
and it's by a lot. Okay, So this week in
the Pack twelve with with teams who can actually score points,
actually some of some of them. How would you judge

(13:42):
this week in the pack twelve where uh yeah, where
there was five four games. Uh. The one thing that
stands out above anything else that I watched uh this
week is that, um, I don't think U c l
A did very many things wrong against Oregon and it
didn't matter. That was an education for me because I

(14:04):
thought that if you, if you had just read me
the statistics of what U c l A was able
to do offensively against Oregon, I would have told you
that at a minimum, at a minimum, they dropped forty
in the game was close, but the game was not close.
Um is an eight team point death said at halftime,
I didn't think U c l A was at a
position on defense. I thought they tackled well, yeah, I

(14:28):
think they didn't even do anything terrible. They just got
run over. I thought that, um, they got Dorian Thompson
Robinson off schedule, but he still looked good. And I
thought that Zach charmon A cemented his position as probably
I mean head and shoulders, the best running back in
the conference. And none of it mattered. They got their

(14:50):
asses beat and it it just it. Oregon is that team,
and it took this long to figure it out. Um
that everybody, well you're always trying to tell everybody, trying
to tell no, dude, I don't go five and seven,
don't go five and seven. And you'll be like, what
point to these seven plays? Point find me a five

(15:12):
and seven Oregon record that that wasn't Mark Mark Helfridge's
la Leister. I challenged you to five me a five
and seven record, buddy challenge, and I and I'm telling
you that if we went back and we went through
that Mark Helfridge is last year, you would tell me
that it came down to like ten to twelve plays. No,
I didn't. I would tell you we needed a new

(15:33):
head coach. That's what I would tell you. Um So,
but so we'll we'll start with that U c l
A Oregon game. So you had, um Dorrian Thompson Robinson
throw for two sixty two, two touchdowns and a pick.
The only thing about his play in particular was there
were two other balls that could have been picked. Yeah,

(15:56):
or she could have should have been picked like in
the defender's hands, but the offensive guy broke it up
like that's it was one in the end zone and
so and so while Oregon's offense gave gave up thirty points, right,
they forced field goals like U C. L. A Is
a really good offense and sometimes that's the best that

(16:18):
you can hope for, Like you're not gonna get three
and ounce and all that stuff. Like in the Oregon
Georgia game. Oregon had like downs in that game. I mean,
people that the score didn't reflect how the game actually
went because it was those two picks in the red
zone or they were near the red zone because they

(16:42):
well they were both intercepted in the red zone. But um,
but that Oregon was moving the ball getting first first
downs and then they would and they had so many
penalties in that game, Like they just didn't play well.
It was Dan Landing's first game, new head coach, across
the country, new quarterback. They're trying to gain trust, believe

(17:04):
in the system, all of this stuff, and was Georgia,
and Georgia just came off a national championship, whale oil
machine all of that stuff, and it was basically a
home game for Georgia. They yeah, it would have been
like playing in Portland. Yeah, yeah, it was. It's snowballed early,

(17:26):
and the team has looked like that was the best
possible outcome for this team. I think, aside from aside
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(17:47):
I think sometimes because you look at um, there's a
Montana State. They got wrecked by Oregon State, right, Um,
I don't think they've lost since. Like you it some not.
It really helps to get out there and find out
what exactly it takes to be uh at that level.
I still didn't think that, Like my eyes were deceiving me.

(18:08):
I still didn't have them. There's a couple of weeks
where I had had them as the number one team
in the Pac twelve. But the more that I watched
U c l A. And the funny thing is U
c l A again, I want to stress I don't
feel like they did very much wrong in this game.
And I've heard other people say like, well, there's a
big momentum switch of Oregon having that on site. It
didn't matter, it was never gonna matter. It was I

(18:31):
like I appreciate that perspective and people who think of
it in in those terms. But this was from the
first play of the second quarter through the end of
the game. It was a route yeah, and and and
I would say in U c l A's defense as well.
This was their first real road game because because the

(18:54):
Colorado game does not count, so this was their first
time playing in any noise at all, any noise, and
Oregon is a hostile environment. Hostile it is. And Josh,
Josh pat the dude who always stays in the South
Lake Kick, he was out there for the first time

(19:15):
and I was talking to him. He was like, I
did not expect it to be like this. He said,
if you close your eyes when you're there, you wouldn't
know whether you were at in front even though it
was only sixty thousand people there. You couldn't tell the
difference between being in Death Valley at l s U
or being in Brian Denny Stadium in a big He

(19:37):
was like, you can't tell the difference if you close
your eyes, and honestly, there's there. I kind of put
auts in off by itself a little bit um, but
there are five environments in the Pack twelve that when
they really get going or like that, and you could
you could make an argument that, so who are those five?
I would say, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Yeah, um where else

(20:04):
Corvallis will give it to you, yes, and and the
years when uh, yep and yep. And if we ever
ever find out a schools yea, yeah, it's not all
of the California schools. Uh, which is funny because yeah,

(20:30):
if coloradover got good again, but there's they made what one,
They've had one winning record like the last twenty years,
so it's it's amazing that their fans still show up.
But the a Su notre dame. Uh when when they
came to visit, like a SU shown it can happen.
But unless you're winning, they're not going to come out.
And that's that's not necessarily the case. Like in Corvallis

(20:53):
they had like eight three win seasons in a row
and it's still a brutal place to go and play
a football game. But I would say that I would
say that maybe Washington States on the outside looking in
of that five, but Utah. I've been on the sidelines
late in a in a tight game in Utah, and
I felt like I was in absolute hell. Um I could.

(21:14):
I don't understand how the players could. And then it'd
be like cold and windy. Uh. And Washington is the
I mean Washington. You getting into November and that place
is a nightmare. Austen is always there. There were a
couple of years there with Helfrich and early on in
Justin Herbert's career that the fans weren't coming out. Um,
but they've been back and and it's been rocking ever since.

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And Corvallis has half the capacity right now and players
are still coming out of there saying like, oh my god,
that's a terrible place to try to play a football game.
So that when that stadium is finished. See, if I
were building stadiums, right, I would build a And I
know that you wanted to be aesthetically pleasing and autist stuff. No,
I'm cared about the acoustics more than anything else. Probably

(21:57):
acoustics number one. I want to place if, if, even
if it's twenty thousand people in it. I wanted to
sound like a jet engine. Yeah. And so I just
went to uh two games in one day. I went
to Clemson, Syracuse, two top fifteen undefeated teams. Noon kickoff,
no alcohol allowed in the stadium, felt like a golf tournament.

(22:18):
Clemson didn't get loud till eleven minutes and thirty eight
seconds left in the fourth quarter when they took their
first lead. So and then were front, and then yeah,
and then South Carolina the exact opposite, Like these people
had drank for twelve straight hours. The State Fair was
going on right outside the stadium at the exact same
time they were. The Aggies were there, but everybody was

(22:42):
in the same color. They were allowed for no reason.
The opening kickoff got returned for a touchdown, and you
know that that's the biggest thing that could set a
stadium off his you know, people still getting into their
seats and and and that happens, and that place was
just a party. And even then, like I was like, oh,
this isn't any different than than a game at Austin
or or or going to Seattle in November. Like it's

(23:05):
loud and cold, and like, you know, I would put
I would put a couple of those pack twelve schools. Now,
there's some that are just and we'll get into the
Stanford stuff, but like there's some that are a joke.
There's something that you could just take the stadium ount
and play in a park, but uh, there are some
very good environments. It's cool of Josh paid to to

(23:25):
Um to give the pack twelves some love that way. Alright,
So back to the game, Oregon U c l A thirty.
This was a game to where and and where. I
thought Dorian Thompson Robinson was good. But but remember I said,
Oregon has to keep him from getting hot, and that's

(23:45):
what they did. He was not able to get to
get hot. They they disturbed him and then in the
second half he missed some throws that he should have
made too. He was not the version of himself that
we talked about on this show. Yes, like he was
piste off. He was. He was just mad, if you
and it's very strange that like they kind of go

(24:08):
as his mood goes. Um, but he was rattled, and
that they they're not the same team when he's rattled,
even though he's still pretty good. Um and zach scharbon
Ai bro Lord have mercy. So like, I did not
discover anything new about zach scharbon Ai this game. Nothing.

(24:28):
Everything I thought about him is everything I thought about
him because because ever since that Georgia game. Oregon tacklers
have been powerful, like like when they hit people, people stop,
like the plays over and Zach Scharbonai. It ain't like that,
bro Now, granted, U c l A and Chip have
a good running system, a scheme, their officer line that

(24:51):
got basically all seniors there, but Zack Sharbonai. You give
him that ball and it's like fourth and one. He
ain't getting stopped. Bro, Hey, you stop and it was
down down three touchdowns. They didn't get away from a
commitment to the running game. And that's the messages we
were getting about, you know, shipping on cal and and
and other teams that got away from the run. I'm

(25:13):
just I want to point at that, like U c
l A is down three touchdowns, moving the ball, you know,
giving their quarterback a break, not putting everybody moved the
ball like it's not moved the ball. Because if you
can pick up eight yards and a running plate, that
is just as good as a passplay. Or just let
your defense stay on the sideline and get coached for
a minute instead of getting out on the field getting

(25:35):
torched by boone knicks. All right, so um oh, and
then on the Oregon side bow Knicks was two five touchdowns,
he escaped the pocket very well, eight carries for fifty one.
I mean, heat, I can't everything I said about bow

(25:56):
Knicks for four years. It's the complete opposite right now.
I mean I'm not sure. I mean, like, could you
vote anybody else as PAC twelve Player of the Year
right now? I think so? I mean, I I think
there's an argument to be made for a for a
couple of players. But if Oregon doesn't lose, then no, yeah,

(26:20):
all right, who would you give votes to? Because the
people who I think are in the running, like, seriously
for a PAC twelve Offensive Player of the Year Bo Nix,
Zach charbon, At Dorrian Thompson, Robinson um Caris huh oh yeah,

(26:42):
Kate Kelley Williams and Michael Pennocks Jr. But I think
that you have to x my Michael Pennocks Jr. Out
only because right now, because they have too many losses. Yeah,
I mean, but you you, I think you also have
to balance like because you're I guess you're right. Because
they did this to Washington State for so long, the

(27:03):
expectation was that their quarterback was gonna put up cartoon
numbers and so unless they were. Um, yeah, so I
guess I understand that systems oriented. It feels I mean
even though so I'm not trying to take anything away
from him, but but I'm saying that that that, like you,
that's a good example that Washington state that the numbers
feel more system oriented than actual you know, like damn,

(27:28):
this dude's out here just you know, lightening it, lightening
it up. Yea, but he is way out ahead in
in yards and like system but the completion percentage of
touchdowns and I don't think anybody would have thought of
Michael Panics is this type of system no quarterback. It's
gonna makes making Galen de Bor super attractive guy to

(27:48):
go play for because he can point to Michael Panics's
time in Indiana and say, like, look at look at
this athlete who is now a quarter But Michael Panics
like works the pocket. He he is a very good
or back and I think you'll have six mess at
the next level. Um, it's like it's it's like he's
got I don't know, I don't I don't want to
compare him to your boy, but he has like left

(28:10):
which is body but like the yes, but like the
broad shoulders. Um, do you know who he reminds me of?
Joey Harrington? He has the job. The deep ball is
the Joey Harrington deep ball. It's like kind of floats,

(28:33):
kind of slow, like slow spiral and just drops into
a bucket. Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think
we've even made that comparison before on this show. But
the two to four touchdown interception ratio, the yards passed
in the game sixty eight, you know, I think he
I don't think he's it, but I think he deserves

(28:55):
to probably be in the conversation. Yeah. Um, And can
I give some credit to a dude that I told
everybody that this dude is phenomenal, and that is Bucky Irving,
the running back from he looked Good, Bro. The dude
is the second best back in the pack twelve because
it's Zach Charbon a number one. He's the second best back.

(29:18):
And it ain't close. I don't know if it's not.
I I he's He's awesome. He's awesome. And I think
the one thing that Kenny Dillingham does really well is
make sure that he's using his players to his strength.
The other thing Kenny will dealing him does really well.

(29:38):
Is gives outlets for um has to bail on a
play like having people just out by the sidelines first
a crucial first down, just like that throwing the ball
to Bucky Irving, he looked like he was going to
go scramble and then he was like nope, all right,

(29:59):
and he dumped it off and and bo Nix can run.
But he can run like Buck youring can run. So
that's a guy who's you know, want you want the
ball in his hands Oregon looks good. Dude. I was wrong. Uh,
I was wrong because I I don't know, it's weird.
It was they're just better than U c l A.

(30:20):
Because again, I'm a point to the fact that defensively,
there weren't too many times and I know that I
listened to some other podcasts are like, not only is
U c l A not playing anybody, their defense is garbage,
but like the numbers weren't showing that that their defenses garbage.
There they don't have the most talented players on Earth,
but they've been coached well, they've been in position, they
made plays. I just thought they got out talented. It

(30:44):
kind of looked not on the scoreboard. But it kind
of looked like Oregon Georgia at the beginning of the season,
where it's like, well, you could point to all these
things Oregon did well, and then you look at the
scoreboard and you're like, jeez, exactly exactly, um And and
there's a lot of people who were trying to poop
poo you say, l A. After this game, I was like,

(31:05):
you don't. Can't. You can't. You can't poop poo the
loser of Alabama tennis Tennessee. You can't poop poo the
you know what I mean, Like, come on, bro, like
stop it. And I think and voters, we still have
four teams in the top fourteen, and I think that
voters are respecting what the Pack twelve has been up to. YEP,

(31:26):
I totally agree with that. Um. Now onto the next game.
We had Oregon State playing against Colorado and it was
forty two to nine in Oregon State is Bowl eligible
at six and two. Yes, five teams are Bowl eligible

(31:50):
in the Pack twelve, with Utah having the ability to
get there if they beat Washington State this week. I
think who would have thought, you know, eight weeks in
six Bowl vigible teams potentially, Um, that's huge. But I
had like a note that I made that because we
had some people criticize us saying that like we made
it all about Cow's bad decision making and didn't give

(32:12):
any credit to Colorado for their energy that they played
with or there um the change defensively in like schemes
that might have interrupted some of the stuff that cal
was trying to do. And I was like, you know what,
that is fair, and I'm gonna make a note to
bring that up on this week's podcast. And then Colorado

(32:33):
went out and Colorado harder than they've ever Colorado. And
now I don't really want to say any So now
you don't know what to say, right because if that
energy was really there, then then any point in time
this game would have looked competitive and it just did not. Yeah,
what we did talk on the phone though, do you

(32:57):
wanna let people know Jack Letto's nickname? Oh my gosh,
I forgot his nick nickname? Um because he's a linebacker, quarterback,
goal line, fullback, running back, tight end. Oh my god,
I forgot what what was it? Miles Pepperjack. Oh, yes,

(33:19):
Miles Pepperjack because it's like Miles Jack where he was
doing everything, but he's not my He's pepper Jack. But
the whitest of cheese is still spicy. Yes, it's it's
still spicy, but it's super white. Miles Pepperjack, love it,
Jack Coletto A Miles Pepperjack. Is there anything that you

(33:41):
saw in this game that made you think, like, uh,
that Oregon State's not going to make the switch back
at quarterback, because that's my that's my question. Now you
have your backroom. I'm not switching back to Chance for
interception against U C. L A New Lovelin. I'm just
I'm just not And because Go Go Branson is playing

(34:02):
well enough at this point in time that it feels
it would feel like Chance. You don't look at Chance
Nolan and you're like, oh my god, he's so much
better than than than gold Brandson. So I think I
think the upside is there, But like god, Branson has

(34:23):
a hundred past attempts this year and only three picks. Yeah,
Chance Nolan had a hundred picks in three pass attempts.
So I mean, like Chance, Chance Nolan's talent is better, right, Yeah,
but it's clear that I mean, they're just winning. So

(34:48):
what do you so how do you switch back right there? Three?
And oh you can't switch back interception? They quit getting
him sacked after that Stanford game has only been hit twice. UM.
So that's the point is that if I'm not switching back,
but I'm not committing to him being my my guy though,

(35:10):
I'll tell you that much. Yeah, I do wonder what
he's until. Like I'll be like, chance, look, you're you're
technically still my starting quarterback, but we're just gonna ride
this for right for for right now. First time he
has two picks and a I have and wearing a

(35:32):
dog fight. You're back in there, buddy. I'm letting you
know that situation. I don't know if they'll let him
throw enough to uh to even get to that point.
But holy cow, are they running the ball well outside
of Jack and seventy yards versus Colorado. Not that that
is like now, oh my gosh, yeah, and it's oh man,

(36:03):
they have four guys that can do damage, uh in
the running game because Jack Coleto's goal line presence. He's
got six touchdowns. But between their other three running backs,
we're talking about over five yards to carry on average. UM.
None of them are burners breaking huge runs and they've
got eleven touchdowns combined to They're just this is turning

(36:25):
out to be the most Oregon State of Oregon State seasons,
and UM, it's cool to see. It's it's really cool
to see. I do wonder, uh, sitting at six and two,
if they have what it takes to UM go into
that final game of the season nine and two, because
that would be the best way for Oregon to prove

(36:50):
that they're deserving of a UM of a spot in
the College Football Playoff would be to have you know,
a Washington Oregon State Pack twelve champion and chip run
of three games. UM. On the back end, I think
if Oregon State can run the table until they get
to Oregon, boy oh boy, boy oh boy, that would

(37:14):
that would set Oregon up in such a good spot. Yeah,
for because because at that point in time, they would
for sure be a top fifteen team. I mean at
I mean, they do have to play at Washington in
two weeks, but they get two weeks to prepare and
Washington defensive garbage and the Cow and the Arizona State

(37:34):
game are both manageable. Very the Cow game they're probably
winning UM and the Arizona State game. Like, the only
thing going against Oregon State right now is that it's
in Tempe. But they're the far superior team at this point.
So listen, big kudos to Jonathan Smith. Everything that he's

(37:56):
doing there, the fact that he's doing this without a
top tier quarterback. He's like a witch bro like, like
it makes you believe that if you gave him Colorado
that they would be better. Yeah. Not not Colorado be
better in Oregon State, but they would be better than
one win right now. I'll tell you that much. Fox
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they still stink. I mean there's, I mean there's they
got a couple of good players. They got a couple
of good players, but I don't I don't know what

(38:39):
to at this point, I really don't know what to say. Listen,
they are a farm system for the rest of the
Pac twelve right now, because what I'm worried about because
all they're good players, like Christian Gonzalez who's at Oregon
right right now, they're gonna be like, oh wait, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold on, Oregon has a has
a hole there, u c l A has a hole there.

(38:59):
Errors Zona. Huh, they're actually winning games. Let me go
play for Arizona instead. They are gonna be a farm
team for the rest that are packed twelve. And I
think that they're also probably gonna have to rely on
guys that played in other areas of the country to
come out and and fill the gap for them while

(39:21):
some of their good players leave. So like they have
Josh Chandler Smito, who is uh Elvis Dumerville body out
there and he's got ten tackles for a loss. He's good,
He's really good. But he's a West Virginia transfer, I believe,
and so you know, I think that's gonna be he
but it transferred. I think he did, and that I

(39:42):
think that he's he's a senior anyway, So I think
that's what they're gonna kind of have to do to
to fill out their roster. And I know that um
A s U has kind of taken that they've had
too because of the investigation, Colorado is going to have
to do it just because it's you know, anytime. I'm
worried about them right now, about Montana Aimonious Craig turning

(40:03):
his one good game into uh, you know, something to
send out to to one of the other Pack twelve
teams that needs assistance at receiver. UM. And I'd be
worried about that if I was Colorado. UM, one of
might be one of the motivations that if you know,
the Big twelve does come knocking, that Colorado would say, Man,
we gotta get the hell out of you know, people

(40:25):
wanting to leave Boulder for for l A or for Tempe,
or for Seattle or for Eugene just to just, um,
you know, get some more high profile playing time and
playmaking ability. YEP, I don't know all right, Arizona State, Stanford, Lord,
have mercy passed? I could to be. I couldn't finish

(40:48):
this game. I couldn't. I would prefer what's the next game?
We can we us to move on if you want to.
I have. I have things to say, but they're not
nice things. No go go going bro. Because there are
so many people that are in love with Tanner McKee,
I don't get it. I do not get the defawning

(41:12):
over Tanner McKee he's tall, yes, he his his arm
action is slow. He can't move I mean like he
is standard issue pocket quarterback that adds no value to

(41:33):
an NFL team, like like like he's I mean, it
makes it so tough because he's not a threat with
his with his legs. It gives the defense so many
more opportunities for defenses that they can call I don't know,

(41:54):
the kids not a bum. He's not because he can
throw the football, but like he's the h pin guy.
You gotta knock all the obstacles down around him, like
you you have to keep them clean, you have like
like he can't make anything special happen. M I guess,

(42:16):
I don't know. Because of the system that they're kind
of running, I think it. I think that that makes
him look worse than he is. And he still looks fine,
exactly fine. He looks fine. Here's the difference. So this

(42:37):
year they're running slow mesh. Right, he has forty carries
and the way you obviously college football works as they
take your rushing stats out of your sex and out
of your TFLs, he in the slow mesh forty carries
for negative sixty seven yards. Before they instituted the slow

(42:59):
mesh sixty carries for eight yards. Do you see the
difference he can't run? Is that? No? No, no, no no?
That that the slow mesh is that it allows you
to get sacked more if you're right. But like he's not.
They did run him against U. C. L A last year,

(43:22):
like that's the only time they really put him out
on the run, and he he looked functional. But he
is six ft six. He looks like his shoes on
bro like like he runs like he had like like
he wears double donjoys on. I don't know. He did
exactly what I thought he would do in this game,

(43:42):
which is, you know, Arizona State puts everything in front
of them, which makes life inside the thirty pretty hellish. Um.
I don't know why Stanford doesn't take advantage of the
fact that every single one of their receivers is also
Tanner mckie's size. Uh. That has not That has not
made a lot of sense to me. But Stanford moved
the ball at will in this game and then they

(44:04):
get to like the thirty yard line. And the way
the A s U. S defense is structured is that
they really make it tough on you and it's gonna
be like that for everybody that plays a s U.
There's just you know, that's just the way they do things. Um.
But they moved the ball well and when he had time,
he made all his throws. Jordan Clark's interception of him
was a feat of athleticism on his part. I think

(44:27):
he looks fine. You know. John Wilner says he's gonna
be a top fifty pick, not possibly, not possibly top forty,
not a I think that he's I think he's more
like a fourth, fifth round guy. And I think he's
gonna because he's gonna go to the combine and he's
gonna be thrown a T shirt and shorts and he's
gonna look like Josh Allen. What Wilner is thinking that

(44:50):
That's what happened with Davis Mills, right, So that is
what will happen with Tanner mckeek. Is they're kind of
the same guy. Nope. The difference is is that Davis
Mills had didn't play very much, Yeah, and so there
was still some intrigue there. Tanner McKee has a lot
more film on him, and people see what Davis Mills did,

(45:12):
They're like, I don't I don't want that despite how
good he can throw the foot football. I think that
Tanner McKee will be in the NFL for a bit.
I don't think he's a starter in the NFL. I
don't think, you know, a longer backup like a Josh
McCown or something like that. But it but a long
backup that that that's like the But it's even hard

(45:37):
for those guys to find a find a job where
like guys like p J. Walker are taking their spots. Yes,
I got to see him live this weekend to shout
out to the Houston Roughnecks legend, but I don't know.
I David Shaw is probably the only coach in college

(45:57):
football that could kick five field, not score a touchdown
and sleep like a baby and we're like, yeah, hey, hey, hey,
we did in front of a job done today. And
I don't think it's the money. I don't think it's
the money. I think I think he has that just
NFL mindset of like, we won, we won the game,

(46:20):
move on, you know, we'll address it later. But I
don't think he I don't think he was upset in
the slightest that they know every win that they get.
Right now they are three and four, They are three
and four, and they're like, listen, our goal we we
we can still make a bowl game. They play U

(46:42):
C l A. Now, now, mind you, They've scored thirty
one points in the last two weeks and have two wins.
How many touchdowns? Uh? They scored against Notre Dame? How
many did they scored? Twice? Yeah? Uh? Phil? No? No once?
Only only Phil can scored and then scored one touchdown

(47:05):
in two weeks and they yeah, uh, it's like Baltimore
Ravens two Ravens? Do you ever want to? Like? You
ever get? You ever want to? And maybe it was
earlier in the podcast we were talking about Illinois defense,
But do you ever just want to shake somebody? Yes,
that's how I feel about Arizona State. So now Arizona

(47:29):
State was four for thirt on third down. That's not
good enough. Emry Jones special Yeah, um eight penalty seventy
five yards? They ran yeah, ten negative plays. They don't
do anything from the five to fifteen yards down the field.

(47:50):
They're either running the ball or throwing a home run ball.
They are putred. Shawn Iguana has taken away play calling
duties from Glenn Thomas. Um your boys old O c
out at U and l v UM. I don't know
how he got this from. What I do was that
Killgott had to resign right before the season started. UM.
But so Glenn Thomas is out, the quarterback competition has

(48:13):
now opened up. UM process this bit of information. George
Trenton boorg Ay has played two and a half quarters. Okay,
let's say they give him the start against Colorado and
he duplicates what he did in two and a half
quarters against Colorado, one of the worst teams in all
of college football in the last five years. So he

(48:36):
just has his two hundred fifty yards three touchdowns. That
will mean that in six and a half quarters, Trenton
boorg Ay has more touchdown passes than Emery Jones in
six games. Damn right. That's that is the level of
quarterback production that a s U is getting out of Emory.
Like Zach Zack Wilson with the Jets right now, who's

(48:58):
throwing one touchdown past this entire season. Yeah, except without
the winning It's it's very frustrating and I cannot say
enough negative things about the way this a SU season
has gone. But n C double as back in their
back interviewing people. There was a rumor that Ray Anderson

(49:18):
was going to get dropped this week, and Michael Crowe
came out and said, no, he's our guy. So we
got the vote of confidence going for us UM. But
it's all it's all come to ahead, and Shawn Iguana
is one opportunity after what I thought was costing himself
the job by not making a quarterback switch. His one
opportunity is too Um is to call the place himself.

(49:41):
And and beyond that, I want to say shout out
to the Pack twelve refs because they almost had like
an all time screw up in this game. Uh Emery Jones.
After so the as you needed to get in field
goal range they did. Then they had like a seven
step drop ten yards sack, which was like the most
idiotic play calling I've ever seen in my life. Then

(50:02):
they throw a bomb to Elijah Badger on the sideline,
who scores should have been the game winning touchdown. His
toe was out. A s U ran to the line
to like dive over with three seconds left for the
game winning touchdown with Demory Jones, but they triggered a
review and Stanford gets to win, and the Pack twelve

(50:23):
almost almost took a win away from Stanford and got
very lucky to have not um because if a su
had snapped the ball, then then Amory Jones probably gets
the one inch over the line of scrimmage scores because
they blew the call twice. Elijah Badger was out of
bounds and he scored, so they blew the call twice,

(50:44):
put it on the inside the one and and if
that review is not triggered, then Stanford loses that game.
And who knows what David Show would have said. All right,
the last game of Washington Cow Washington Cow twenty one.
If I tell you these stats, okay, tell me, tell

(51:05):
me what you think that the score was. Washington had
twenty eight first downs to Cows. I'm sorry to cows.
Eighteen third downs ten for seventeen for Washington, six for
fifteen for Cow. Fourth down efficiency oh for one for Washington,
two for three for Cow. Total yards four seventy six
to three oh six. Yeah, and no turnovers for either team.

(51:32):
What what would you tell me? Blowout? Yep, And nothing
about this was a blowout at all? Actually, Cow. Yeah,
Cow had the opportunity to win this game and they
just don't have enough offense to punch their way out
of a paper bag. Yeah, you know how like sometimes

(51:52):
Navy seals go around like speaking to school kids about
like toughness and overcoming adversity. We gotta get Jack Plumber
on that speakers. Oh my god, dude, dude, he his
ass kicked. Bro. I mean, their offensive line is nonexistent.
Their their their offensive line is about as good as

(52:16):
you know those Uh Like when in in high schools
when they run through the banners at the beginning of
the game, that's their office line. It's the banner. So
I think you called me during this game and you're like,
their right tackles gonna get Jack Plummer murdered. Yea, dude,
he was And granted, Washing does have a good pass rush,

(52:37):
but cow's They're like, he's been getting the ship kicked
out of him all season. Bro, there's no other way
to say it. I don't even know how you played
quarterback under these conditions. Dude. He has to require an
Epsen salt bath, a normal tech, uh, everything just to

(52:57):
put him back together, put the home, put Humpty Dumpty
back together every week. And it's fun. It's because maybe
I think there's probably some people that want to see
Kay Milliner uh, because he's got no. I don't think
it is. He's like, he's lighter on his feet and
he can move around really well. Um but I I

(53:18):
I look at Jack Plumber and I'm like, what, tell
me what he's doing wrong? Tell me what Jack Plumbers
specifically is doing wrong. He's a little bit on the
slow right, he could run, he's big run better than
Tanner McKee. He got a big he got a big
wind up. He's got an excellent, excellent arm. But like, what,
what specifically is what problems is Jack Plumber causing for
your offense? I don't necessarily, Um, I don't see it.

(53:41):
And I get that Washington's defense is junk and that
might have you know, kept cal in this game, but also,
like you got you always throw out the rule book
when it comes to cal Uh and Washington. They play
some of the stranger games that we've ever had. I'll
tell you what was bizarre in this game is to
come home after going to two games in South Carolina,

(54:02):
pull into my driveway, I'm all sunburned, dehydrated, sit down
on the couch, turning the TV on, and I'm staring
at my own Twitter account on ESPN? What did you
catch that they did? They did a segment on how
Jack Plumber and Jake Plumber aren't related, and they used
my tweet about it to illustrate like when the mistake
was made. So I'm sitting there watching ESPN staring at

(54:25):
my own like Twitter avatar of a of a grizzly
bear in a cowboy hat. Wow, what the hell is
going on right now? It was a trip. I thought
I'd like fallen asleep on the drive home and and
and crashed and was having some type of fever dream
or something. But nope, nope, that was I didn't think
that that was the way I'd end up on ESPN.

(54:45):
But that was fun, alright. So Michael Pannox Jr. Assaulting
the record book still three seventy four yards passing. I mean,
Mike Mike Leach would love the way this offense is
being being run. They ran for a hundred and two yards,
which which they'd be like, Hell yeah, hundred yards rushing

(55:06):
in a total game. Hell yeah. Um. So here's my
question for you, because we almost got into it a
little bit earlier. Is Michael Pennocks Jr. For real or
is this an Anthony Gordon year, no disrespect Anthony Gordon.

(55:27):
Anthony Gordon, you think so? Yeah, Like, like I think
he's good, but I don't. Anthony Gordon through for fifty
hundred yards and forty eight touchdowns in his one season
as a starter, and I don't know if he ever
Like Michael Pennocks Jr. Is already at three thousand yards,
bro and they got five what four games left, so

(55:49):
that's another So another four hundred yards a game, that's yeah,
So he's gonna end up at forty yards passing and
but only thirty touchdowns. Though, do you think Michael pennockx Jr.
Will ever make an active NFL roster because Gordon was
on practice squads for the Seahawks, Chiefs and Broncos. Uh,

(56:12):
if he's in the right system and the right guy
get gets hurt, yeah, okay, like he'll he'll be a
practice squad guy might get elevant, Like if he can
hold on for long enough in the league to like
get a couple of years, like get two years of
practice time, then yes, you know, I mean like, but
right now is in an NFL quarterback now, Okay, I

(56:37):
don't have an opinion. I'm just I was curious to
what you thought. Yeah, but as I need like multiple
years of Caitlin to board data at the same time,
while while Washington fans will uh stamp their feet at that,
I'm not even sure that. Like about bow Knicks in

(57:00):
the NFL, Yeah, bo Nicks could be having an Anthony
Gordon year. Yeah, I mean because he's making a lot
of passes, but behind the line of scrimmage, guys are
making plays. But when he's given the opportunity to make
plays downfield, like, he's done well at that at that
as well. So I'm not I'm like, my like, I
have so much bow Knick's history that it takes more

(57:23):
to unwrite it. If that makes sense, Like he's obviously
playing extremely well. And if I'm Oregon, because he has
another year of eligibility, I'm like, how much n I
L money is it gonna take for you to come back?
Because yeah, you know what's crazy to me? That means
that your boy would be getting into portal And I
don't think that Oregon fans would care at that point.

(57:45):
If bow Knicks came back and you have Dante Moore
coming in, I don't think that bow Knicks has a
legitimate shot at ten thousand yards passing fift nd yards
rushing in his career. Yeah, I don't. I honestly, I
don't even know if that's been done before. Yeah, I

(58:06):
mean that's like some West the kid, the kid that
was at Hawaii. Uh, Timmy Chang, Yes, are you talking about?
Oh yeah, yeah, just the passing numbers, yes, yes, so
he but he does have the he does have the opportunity.

(58:26):
What's crazy is he has the opportunity to hit ten
thousand yards passing without ever going over three thousand yards
in a season. Uh, he'll go over three thousand this
year probably, Yeah, probably, but that would be ten thousand
yards passing yards rushing would be I just wonder if

(58:47):
anybody's ever done that well, because nobody really starts that long,
like like, if they're that good, they usually end up
in in the NFL. Already, Fox Sports Radio has the
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(59:08):
to listen live. All Right, um, let's get to our
pack twelve power rankings. Now, this has been a fluid thing.
We we have been more in lockstep this year, I
think than we ever have. Now where are now? Who

(59:30):
are your teams that are in the PAC twelve from
twelve to six? Well, I would know if you told
me I didn't know we're doing We do every all right,
so we we don't. We've done it twice all year
to total times this year we've done it. It's on
the tyra look at the bottom, right, but we do

(59:52):
show prep and you didn't bring it up. Oh it's fine,
Colorados at the bottom. So there that's my twelve. Uh,
I don't know, give me yours. I'll tell you if
I disagree with any of them. All right, I am
going to go, And I know that this is gonna
sound weird, but I'm going in Colorado twelve, Stanford eleven, Calton,

(01:00:23):
Arizona State nine, Washington State eight, Arizona seven, Washington six,
Oregon State. No, I'm sorry, USC number five, Oregon state

(01:00:46):
number four. And I know that USC beat Oregon State.
I got like four of those already, UM and tow
and you have Stanford or A SU over Stanford, you
TAW three, U c l A two, Oregon one. I

(01:01:07):
agree with your top three. I would switch four and five.
I don't think I could put Arizona over cal Um
and I have a hard time putting a s U
over Cal lost to Colorado. Cal lost to Colorado. That
automatically like erases that that makes what you did against

(01:01:28):
Arizona an accident where you scored forty nine points. How
house way, I guess my problem is using the word
power to describe the teams that are at the bottom
four of this conference. We should just brnk a top
eight and then we don't have to justify anything. But um, I,
but yeah, I don't know. Arizona can't play defense, Arizona

(01:01:50):
State can't play offense football football. Oh my god, dude,
But yeah, I don't know. You had you had so
many uh you completely ignored head to head throughout that
entire thing. So um, body that matters even like like,
if the body of work is pretty similar, then head

(01:02:10):
to head matters a lot. But like, well, a s
US body of work is they beat Northern Arizona and Washington,
while Stanford's body of work is they beat a s
U and they beat Notre Dame on the road and
they have one more wins. Stanford's terrible Like that, That's

(01:02:31):
all I know then you should be able to beat them. Yeah,
I mean they have three wins. They have three wins,
which is one more than a s U, and they
beat a s U. Okay, okay, you you have can
have argued. I've argued, it's you into the eleventh. Hold awesome,
I've devalued my degree correct y Colorado twelve, Arizona State eleven,

(01:02:54):
Stanford Ton then cal, Washington State, Arizona Washington, uh USC,
Oregon State, Utah, u C l A Oregon. So you
know what you just did with that adjustment? You created
a toilet bowl. What do you mean a SU plays

(01:03:15):
Colorado this week? Yes? No, yeah, thanks to you, we
have a true toilet bowl. Oh my god, dude. If
Arizona State loses that, dude, oh, I won't be here
next week. The worst thing that could possibly happen for
both of those schools is to lose that game. No, no, no, no, no,

(01:03:35):
I'm sorry the boast. The worst thing that can happen
to both of those schools is Colorado winning. It would
be the worst thing for Colorado too, Like they'd hire
the o C permanent. Yes, yes, they'd be like, look
he's he's winning games. Like like let's tire him and
it will be cheap. No, dude, I again, you will

(01:03:57):
have to have a different co host. I will be
seven weeks of sitting shiva or whatever. All right, let's
quickly get through the games this week and make our picks. Um.
I won't even ask what the score is because I
know I'm demolishing you. Brother. We're close in this. It's

(01:04:23):
it's like your two games ahead of me in the
other thing we do, which we didn't even do this
last week. Thank God for the break. Um, I'm I'm
like ten to fifteen games beyond you and we only
pick five games a week. All right, First game Thursday night, Utah,
Washington State. Utah goes to the police, takes their number

(01:04:46):
fourteen ranking up to UH to the corner of the earth,
one of the coldest places is gonna be forty six degrees,
but Utah doesn't care. It's the same temperature there. Um,
they're just not playing it outitude like that. What's the
line on this game? This is? Would you say that

(01:05:08):
this is a tavan his due game? It seems like
they've been going away from Tavian Thomas as much. Yeah. Well,
it's Utah minus seven UM at Washington State. They have
been able to score lately, back to back two touchdown

(01:05:30):
losses on the road, so it's gonna be different. I
think that they're at home, they had two weeks to prepare. Uh,
they're not fraudulent on the defensive side of the ball.
If they don't, well, I mean you, Clark Phillips is
going to have to because right now I think we're

(01:05:54):
you know, it's too eh too little PO two butchered
that and Clark Phillips probably UM in the running for
PacTel Defensive Player of the Year. Hold up or the
d lineman from from usc that Yeah, that's whose name
I ruined? Oh yeah I did. I did such a

(01:06:16):
bad job that you didn't even recognize Laura below too? Yeah, yes, correct, Yeah.
I was like, I was like, is he talking about
somebody or watching these things. I don't think they're gonna
give They're gonna give Clark Phillips a bunch of chances
to make plays in this game. It'll be interesting if
they run the ball um. I I think I think

(01:06:40):
Utah's got a big advantage here outside of it being
UM at Washington State. I like you taught by ten,
I like him by. Yeah, I like him by at
least ten as well. I think this is gonna be
a hunting in the zoo type of game that it's
evidentually just gonna snowball, like Washington Day is gonna put
up a fight, and then it's just gonna it ugly.

(01:07:00):
It's gonna be one of those you just can't. You
can't be one dimensional against uh Utah. You used to
be able to with with with Mike Leach before Washington,
before Utah had established themselves and they kind of built
their secondary around this idea that Washington State would kick
their ass every year. Right, Um, I don't think you
can be one dimensional against Utah anymore. All right, Um,

(01:07:26):
we have in order of kickoff time, we have Oregon
at Cow on Saturday. Yeah, that game's at Berkeley. Weather
is clear. Oregan's favored by seventeen points, and they have
demolished They are what is what is organs six and one?
Right now? They are five and two against the spread

(01:07:49):
because they've been favored in every single game except the
Georgia game, and the only game that they didn't cover
was against Washington State. Everybody else no matter how many points,
it didn't matter who's on this FS one crew? Oh Brando? Okay, okay,

(01:08:10):
Oh my god. He had a love fest for Washington
State that day. Would Oregon played against him? M hm?
Seventeen points spread fifty eight point over under and Vegas Like, basically,
what Vegas is indicating is that like every bit of
the money has been on Oregan to cover. Yes, so

(01:08:35):
what would you So who were I'm taking Oregon and
the and the points? Well, I'm taking Oregon giving seventeen points. Yeah.
I like the Cow being able to score enough points. Yeah,
And I think Oregan is gonna give them opportunities and
I don't know if they take them that because that

(01:08:59):
that that's just this in the best organ defense in
the world. And Jack Plummer's got a good arm and
Jaden is a good running back. So if they hold
Cow to like ten points, are you then gonna give
the defensive credit? Yeah? Okay? What at what? At what
amount of points? Will you stop giving them credit? Oh god,

(01:09:27):
oh god? If if Cow scores twenty four points, I
will come on here and criticize it. I will be
like this, this defense needs to get their ship together.
I'm not dumping on on Oregon's defense because I think
U c l A really is that good. And like
you pointed out, they made they made place right. Uh,

(01:09:47):
but they did not stop. You see, they did enough.
Mike d'antoni's philosophy. You know, the team with the most
points had the best defense. Um, they're a top three
defense in the pack twelve. Yeah, but yeah, no, there
shouldn't even be a contest seventeen. Um, you've had no

(01:10:10):
problem taking big spreads for Oregon this year, You've covered
most of them. Are you taking this? Yes? Yes, yes,
I think Cal scores thirteen points sixteen max. It's hard
to imagine Oregon not dropping forty. It's really hard, Which
means that even if Cal got twenty four, you're still

(01:10:33):
on the cusp of covering and Cal isn't Even if
you even if you went out there with eight players,
I don't think Cal could score no points. God, I
just don't think that's the way their offense is built. Yeah.
So and now if uh, justin Wilcox, Peter Sermon and

(01:10:54):
their officive coordinator who was my office of coordinator in Jacksonville. Uh,
here this they're gonna hate me more, but whatever, Well,
and that so that's that that does add the other
interesting wrinkle to this game, like you you turned down
the Oregon job because you didn't like the conditions that
were given to you, and then they turned around and
run the score up on you. Then you're gonna look ridiculous,

(01:11:15):
you know. And they have a three game losing streak
after also, and to lose your home field advantage that
you had going into the Washington game and you lost
the Colorado Yes, and we have to keep pointing that out.
Is is there any chance here for is there something
calculd do to expose a weakness on on Oregan's end? No? No, no,

(01:11:40):
there's no way to lose this game. This feels like
Alabama Alabama versus Like No, actually I can't even say
that one because that was a rivalry game. I'll go like, oh,

(01:12:01):
this feels like Alabama versus Missouri. Yeah. Like the best
they can do is make it interesting through three quarters? Correct?
All right? Um, next game up USC at Arizona. What's
the line on this game? I find this over I

(01:12:24):
think this over under is interesting. Is it less than
you would anticipated? No, it's more because the over under
an Oregon Cow game is fifty eight, So that says
that they do not even expect Cow to score very
many points. Right, this is almost twenty points higher. Yes, yeah,

(01:12:47):
I don't like so USC is favored by fifteen and
a half. Um. The most money of of anyone betting
on any favorite this week is on US season um.
But then again, there's just gonna be a lot more
USC betters than there is for Arizona. So I don't
think that should tell you anything. It just because it's

(01:13:09):
money doesn't mean it's smart money. Right. USC's defense is
not good. We waited for it to get exposed and
it and it did that. I think they probably still
feel like they should be undefeated, and there's an argument
for that, but it doesn't mean that they did what
they needed to defensively. Uh. So we we have pointed

(01:13:30):
out that USC's defense is very bad. They're giving up
two yards a game. Well, if USC's defense is really bad,
what about giving up eighty more yards than that? Because
that's where Arizona is at. Um. There, He's gonna be
a fun ESPN highlight. Yes, Yes, they're gonna have big Yes,

(01:13:50):
and you're gonna have This is Jaden Delora's opportunity. Now
where we talked about, there's no way that cal can
be to Oregon. There is a way Arizona can beat
usc and usc Is is injured right now too. I
think Gentry is out. Yeah, yeah, I think he's I

(01:14:13):
think I don't expect him to play. Um, he got
pretty beat up. But unless you force turnovers, there's no
because Arizona is going to turn the ball over and
usc really doesn't. So that that to me is the
only way. Right. Um, here's here's the thing I'm most
interested in. Because we've anointed Caleb Williams and I feel

(01:14:37):
like deservedly and I feel like you've given him a
ton of praise. Um, and we've said what we had
to say about Jaden de Laura, which is, if you're
not ready for him, he will kill you. If you are,
he's gonna embarrass himself. Um. So Jaden Dolores stacked up
against Caleb Williams, I think it's gonna be a fun
comparison to show you, of a what they actually have. Uh,

(01:14:58):
running back, it's no contest. Um, you know, better play yeah,
but at receiver, at number one receiver, I think this
is the this is the thing. Uh. Jordan Addison is
fresh off winning the blatnikof right, and I think he
was helped by Drake Lennon going down obviously. But um,
Jordan Aison, fresh off winning the Blatnikoff up against you

(01:15:19):
tep transfer Jacob Cowen, who at this point in the
season as fourteen more catches, has a hundred and fifty
more yards receiving and they both have the same number
of touchdowns. If Jacob Cowing looks better than Jordan Addison,
he's gonna make himself a ton of money, hey, because
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(01:15:41):
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to listen live. Now to go back to the Caleb
Williams thing, right, Yeah, Caleb Williams has got a lot
of praise and he deserves it, but he also deserves
a little bit of criticism too, because, for sure, there
are times where he holds onto the ball too long

(01:16:03):
and it's not clearly, not seeing the field as clearly
as he needs to be. But there's a difference between
holding them onto the ball too long because you know
you can get away with it, and holding onto the
ball too long and getting yourself destroyed like Emery Jones
does that. They both do the same thing, but one
of them can get away with it, and eventually that

(01:16:23):
could get him in trouble. But so far, name one person,
when name one defender in college football, there's maybe like
eight guys in the NFL that I could name where
I'd be like, all right, if they get him one,
maybe Michael Parsons, if they get him in his sights
one on one, they'll chase him down. Okay, here's the
thing that USC so Utah's defense is not as good

(01:16:45):
that this year's. That is, they have been. Okay, they
beat USC forty two. Now Oregon State, who I think
may have the best defense in the Pac twelve right now,
I mean it's possible, Like like they're they're really good
in the secondary. They are really good in the secondary,

(01:17:05):
so they make it tough on on on teams. Now,
Oregon State is second in the conference in total defense,
but they're really tied for first because it's a it's
percentage point. Utah is giving up three D fifty yards
a game. Oregan State has given up three D and
fifty yards a game. I mean, we're we're talking decimal

(01:17:26):
points and scoring defense, they're both averaging uh Utah giving
up twenty two points a game, Oregon State giving up
twenty two points a game, and USC giving up twenty
two points a game. So and then Arizona is giving
up thirty six points a game. Jesus, Yeah, sorry, there,

(01:17:47):
there's not really I mean, the only way is, like
if they can find a way to like get some
like drop ball turnovers, because Cayleb Williams doesn't really throw
you to football, So if they can get a well,
like they would need a couple like two turnovers two
to like stay in this game to win, like at

(01:18:10):
two game. I would like to see them because they
didn't really give the ball to Travis die that much
against Utah, but the week before against Washington State, he
he touched the ball twenty eight times, Right, I would
like to see them do that again and just give
Caleb Williams a break, allow him to make the plays
as they come to him and not have to like

(01:18:32):
run all over the field. This is like, this is
the one I hope I'm not putting any bad juju
out in the world, but like this is the type
of game where you like Caleb Williams doesn't have to
do that much, but could go out and try to
do too much, give himself hurt or something like that,
and I don't want to see that. You you should
try to be in a position where Miller Moss has
taken reps in the third quarter, Yes, in this game,

(01:18:53):
because you can run Arizona off the field if you
want to, which limits the amount of time that Jade
Dolora has the ball in his And here's the thing
out of Arizona though, I think that Arizona may have
learned a lot from that Oregon game. Now, it didn't
help him against Washington because they went on the road,
but I think that they've played two tougher teams and

(01:19:13):
you're they're sitting there like, hold up, there are some
things that we have to do better. And I think
as a play caller that they're gonna do better as
like play calling and not like you know, because that
that fumble against Oregon on that fly sweep thing that
the game was over right there. Yeah, so I think
that they understand the urgency surrounding that. So that's the

(01:19:37):
only thing. But they have a brutal into the schedule.
Bro they got USC. You tak then U c l A.
Oh my god, dude, they could lose five games in
a row. They're probably going to lose five games in
a in a row and then get a chance to
beat Washington State and Arizona State, which are two winnable games,
which which makes that Cow game just like that Calgary

(01:20:03):
is going to be the difference between them going to
a ballgame and in three three of the last four
games they've given up seven touchdowns. They just they don't
have the ability to get pressure on team. Theyve got
some decent athletes um in the second flocking to them
in the transfer portal. They're gonna be like, oh, they're

(01:20:23):
getting better. I can play right now. They play against
good teams like I'm in there right now, I'm going
in there starting And you know what's funny is and
and it's not gonna feel like it if you're an
Arizona fan. But if they lose out, if they lose
the next five games and they finish three and nine,
it's gonna sting because you lost the Arizona State And

(01:20:43):
it's gonna sting for Jayden Delora because he lost to
Washington State. But the truth of the matter is when
you zoom out, you're gonna look at this season and
be like, what a huge success for Arizona And that's
like people need to understand. This would be like Colorado
winning three games next year. Year. Yeah, it's huge. It
just doesn't feel like in the moment they are getting better.

(01:21:05):
They they're gonna lose. Well, actually that that would mean
they finished losing the season seven games in a in
a row. If they lose the next five, I think
they lose the next three and then they can beat
Washington State and beat Arizona State. If they beat if
they win both of those games, this season, parade, throw
a parade. You couldn't ask for anything more after one

(01:21:27):
win in two years, and that win was not legitimate.
I don't give a ship what anybody says. Col should
not have gotten off the bus. They shouldn't have the
games shouldn't have been played, or maybe had been played
at a later date. It's a win technically, but the
truth of the matter is they were the worst team
in Power Five over the last two years. And you're
telling me they're gonna come back win five games, including

(01:21:49):
a win over North Dakota State. That's that is humongous
and again, even three games is a success. They're playing
with house money right now, so UM, I hope they
act like it. I hope the fans realized that even
if they do continue to struggle, UM, how much fun
it is to have a team that can actually score
the football because they didn't have that for the last

(01:22:11):
two years. Stanford at U c l A. It's gonna
be bad. This is sixteen and a half point Sprett
get I'll take it. I'll take it to I'll take
it to. They are Dorian Thompson, Robinson is gonna be

(01:22:36):
like I don't even know if he slept all week.
M he probably is not happy. I mean after the
game he was like, yo, if we had just executed,
we were better than Oregon. Like he still wasn't even
accepting the laws to after the game, like so he damns,
your ain't accepting it now, and he said he about
to send people to the capitol. Yes, I demanded count. Yes, Yes,

(01:23:02):
Stanford has no hope in this game. None. I agree.
I agree. They're gonna get absolutely crushed, crushed. And if
they don't, then all those people that were like it's
all an illusion fire Chip Kelly, we can't take him
to the big ten. Then I'll start listening to those
people because I thought they were Remember I told you

(01:23:24):
that U c l A's floor this year was ten wins. Yes,
that's their floor, and they are right on pace right
now like that that. That's the only game I thought
that they would lose so far was the Oregon game.
I think the only other possible game that they can
lose as USC that's it. Yeah, haven't watched Stanford up close.

(01:23:49):
I think that they're gonna put some points, but I
just don't. It's crazy because they're gonna kick like seven
field goals. Yet are gonna get thwenty one points off
seven field goals? Right? Uh, It's just crazy to me
because this Stanford defense is outperforming their talent on the

(01:24:10):
defensive side of the ball. They are They have played
eleven very good quarters in their last twelve, yes, and
there's still two and one. Offensively, they have played zero
good quarters and in the last twelve and tune one. Um.
I think the universe rights itself and I think we

(01:24:31):
see I think I think we I think we might
see a six at the front of U c l
A's score. Sixty Damn, Hey, it is entirely possible. Yeah,
and the bro I like David Shaw, but they gotta

(01:24:53):
they have to make some changes. I don't like go out, oh, like,
but what changes? But what changes go to the Mountain
West since they play San Diego State brand of football?
What changes? Like? What can they do like need a
new office coordinator and but they already have their offensive

(01:25:17):
coordinator already has the ability to focus only on scheming
because they don't recruit in the same way. I don't know, Bro,
It's it's it's troubled time. It is decision time at Stanford.
I would feel I would feel bad for them if

(01:25:38):
they were not if those kids weren't leaving with Stanford
degrees like they're gonna be fine. And if David Shaw
wasn't the you know, a top ten, highest, top five,
highest paid coach in college football, I would have sympathy
because they are getting royally screwed based on their own
set of standards. But I don't. I don't feel sorry

(01:26:01):
for them because there's no They've done nothing on their
end to mitigate correct correct like they have let everything
happen to them and not throw on like a two
game winning streak and We're just like shipping all over
them right now. But it and they haven't in college football.
They are letting everything happen to them. They are not

(01:26:24):
happening to college football. All right? Um, last game up,
Arizona State at Colorado the Toilet Bowl, A team that
should be o and seven, but it's one in six
because because cal refused to run the football. Um and
Arizona State? Who who looks atrocious? This is how bad

(01:26:44):
Colorado is? Yeah? What's the line on this game? Fourteen? Right? Yes?
A half? Yes, so it should be bad. It is
how bad you are? If that's if Arizona State's favored
by thirteen and a half points. What is the line

(01:27:05):
gonna be for Oregon Colorado next week? Thirty three and
a half? Yeah, it's that's like an Alabama line bro
playing bandy. Yes all right, Um, so who are you
taking it in this game? Because we both took U

(01:27:28):
c l A. Who are you taking? I said on
last week's show that there were things that Stanford could
do to put Arizona State in trouble, even though Arizona
State is the better team. They did those exact things.
It was like watching my nightmare play out in front
of me. Um, that's not a possibility in this game.
It's not there's no there's nothing Colorado can do. You

(01:27:51):
can do something to yourself against Colorado to allow them
uh in, but there it's on. It's not happening. I
don't I don't know what to say. Is there a
chance that a su might not cover because they can't
move the football? Like? Possibly? But this is crazy. So
you have a former high school football coach who has

(01:28:12):
not been a play call or wasn't even at the
high school that he he was at, not for the
last few years that he was there calling plays for
the very first time. You might get a five ft
eleven walk on quarterback National seven on seven champion, with
an offensive line that has five interior offensive linemen, two

(01:28:33):
of which you have to play at tackle. And there's
still no reason that they should lose or they should
uh do anything other than blow Colorado app so So
because Colorado did beat cow So is there a way
they can beat Arizona State? They got to score on
defense and special teams and it would have to be

(01:28:54):
like multiple times. Um, because they're gonna give up at
least I think they're gonna at least thirty four, So
how are they going to get that back? Because what
Arizona State could do is they could just give the
ball to Sesavian Valid at times, and that's that's lights out.
He is a top three or four running back in

(01:29:18):
in the Pac twelve. He's dependable as hell. Yeah, I mean,
I'm gonna start him at four because sharp Sharmonnat is
cemented at number one in everybody's mind. I think, Bucky,
everything's to Troy died, I mean Travis died three, and
then we can Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I
think you're right. But and then and then you have

(01:29:39):
Daniel and Gatta, the backup running back who is like
super fast, and if they were able to mix them up,
they might not even have to throw a pass to
win this game. Uh and based on the way they
did pass pro, maybe they shouldn't. Hey and and and
that's basically what air Force did did to him. So
you know who's gonna be your co host next week
when I'm wrong, because I will take a week off.

(01:30:05):
I would just I will, Oh my gosh, I will start.
I wouldn't expect you to be here if if Oregon
lost to Colorado. Dude, if Oregon loses to Colorado next
next week, I will show up with clown masks. I
will do the show in clown paint. Yeah. I uh,

(01:30:29):
I don't know if I could do it, man, especially
after the same I think I might. I think I
might give up football. Arizona State. That'll be back in
ten years. Bro, don't worry. Just be just hate patient.
I hate this. I hate the NCY double a. I
hate not a huge fan of Antonio Pierce right now,
I just you should. It's not just Antonio Pierce's fault.

(01:30:51):
This is Herm's fault. This is Ray Anderson's fault. But
even more than it's raised fault, it's raised fault. No, no,
I have this theory. My go Crow. He deserves even
more blame because no, he does, because he allowed this
to happen because of Larry Michael Scott. So like all
of this goes back to Michael Crow continuing to back

(01:31:14):
Michael Scott Larry Larry Michael Scott that then allowed him
to stay with Ray Anderson. High dude, this is like
the butterfly effect for Arizona State, and they came out
the worst to wear out of any pack twelve team.
They came out the worst to wear. I just I'm

(01:31:36):
imagining a world. First of all, I'm imagining the world
in which any other a D would have hired her Edwards.
I don't think it exists, but if they had, it
would probably be a world where you gave them the
resources they needed to succeed and held them accountable. Yeah,
Ray Anderson took this huge risk, risked his entire reputation,
and then didn't support herm at all, not at all.

(01:32:02):
Didn't make him learn how to recruit, didn't make him
learn how to use social media, didn't make sure that
he knew what was going on around him. Uh. I've
convinced myself, based on some of the success that a
SU had, that a halfway present athletic director that wasn't
busy battling his basketball coach over who may or may

(01:32:25):
not have sexually harassed his wife would have Actually, let's
not get into it and now, and and you know what,
let's end the show. Next week we'll talk about some
of stuff that George Kleafcoff said it backed to a
basketball media day. But right now I want to go
drink a bottle of whiskey and not think about the
fact that Arizona State might be bad for the next

(01:32:45):
five years because of this. I'm sorry, bro, what what
are we going to do if they take away fifteen
scholarships or something? Bro. If they take away fifteen scholarships, bro,
that would be that would be the equivalent of I
don't even know, bro, Like that would literally be the

(01:33:08):
equivalent of quitting. I mean, like the death penalty for them.
How many did they take from USC ten and that
torched them? I remember, yeah, except for Lincoln right, not
not Lincoln, Lincoln Riley. Umn was still able to recruit

(01:33:28):
the top ten class with dudes. Yeah. So, before Ralph
breaks down, I'm George, He's Ralph answered, this is the
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