#28: In this powerful episode, we sit down with Ron and Brandon Jackson, twin brothers who transformed their challenging upbringing into a foundation for success.
The Jackson twins share how resilience and a strong bond helped them navigate life’s obstacles, balance demanding tech careers, and pursue their passion for impactful content creation.
They also discuss navigating cancel culture, staying authentic in today’s digital world, and using adversity as a stepping stone to influence.
Tune in for an inspiring conversation filled with actionable insights and motivating stories from these dynamic creators! Perfect for anyone seeking inspiration in personal growth and professional success.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You have to straighten it to keep it
straight Really, yeah, or elseit gets super curly.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
My shit, I'm trying to grow long and it's just like
it goes crazy.
That's a lot Crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's a lot of work.
When I first moved out hereyeah, I had to oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I swear you can never guess what race y'all are to
some degree.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So, so, cash, you want to kick it off?
Oh no, you're doing that.
Well, welcome to in the lobby.
Y'all happy to have everybodyback.
We have cast and I back doingan episode together.
But, more importantly, we havetwo friends of mine uh, two
individuals, but two, a set oftwin brothers that really, you
guys are established as your ownbut really are well respected
in my book.
I've you guys are establishedas your own but really are
well-respected in my book.
I've witnessed you guys growinto great men and have been,
honestly, whether it be from adistance or very close,
(00:50):
intimately tied to stories thatI do know about you guys.
I respect you guys and I thinkvery highly of you.
So we're happy to have you onhere and we got Ron and Brandon
Jackson.
So thank you very much forjoining in the lobby.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Of course, of course, and honestly, from like a
marketing perspective, identicaltwins sound that much better
from an introduction standpoint,like I'm here with twins, he's
one minute older than me.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Okay, he's my little brother.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
He says that all the time, but I tell people it's
because I kicked him out of thewomb.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, let me ask you this who wins in a fight?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Go of the.
Well, let me ask you this who?
Who wins in a fight?
Oh, go ahead, I'll let you takethis.
Okay, I, I will be the firstone to say, probably, uh, 90 of
our life, 95 of our life, itwould be ron, I think.
If we go way back to childhood,in high school, you had a
couple w's.
No, no, no, uh, it would be ron.
Yeah, so I didn't have the w's.
He was a I, I think a borninnate fighter.
(01:46):
I always say he should havebeen an MMA fighter.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
He always had an aggression.
It's a great backup plan man hewas.
He was always drawn to kind ofthat type of art of fighting,
you know, and then I'veobviously been in some scuffles
with him growing up and he likesit.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, I don't like to fight.
I, I don't.
I can't imagine you guys asfighters until I witnessed one
moment where it's like you guys,just you're the wrong ones to
piss off, because I do see thatyou guys fought for the right
thing in that moment, that wehad experience together.
So, yeah, I think that's maybesomething we leave off the
podcast, but either way, yeah,yeah, yeah, we don't want
anything coming back.
Yeah, your, your story doeshave context, so I could see
that.
But there's a fight too, right,like there's a fight that you
(02:28):
guys have experienced in me,getting to know you guys and
just like how you got yourselfto where you are today, and I
think that'll be fun to explorehere on the episode as well.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, I mean, I can't even say enough, like how
highly Roger talks about youguys, because, like from day one
, which roger and I were likeco-workers and roger was always
like cast podcasts with me sheturned me down so many times she
was like fuck, no, I'm notputting you on my goddamn
podcast.
Yeah, I was like what do I get?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
well, you already had a podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I already had a podcast called pain in my cast
and roger was like do you needlike a co, a co-host?
And I was like why?
I was like I'm doing everythingby myself anyway.
Long story short, I becameco-host and I was like why?
I was like I'm doing everythingby myself anyway.
Long story short, I becameco-host.
I finally was like all right,you know, this might work out
well for me.
Male and female dynamic oh yeahbut like day one of us having
the podcast, it was like youguys who we wanted he wanted as
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guests.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So 100, that's so funny and he honored.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
He's been hyped like I've been a little bit too
excited, like happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I've been low-key, like fanboying fanboying in our
text you know but I think that'swhat's funny, because, like
I'll have some of my friends onand then now he's like having
his friends on and it's like Ididn't even realize how great
you guys all were until lastnight when we started doing the
screening call and I was likeshit, like I'm hyped about this
episode now, like well, I meanthat.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
How about we do like an appropriate introduction too
for our audience?
Why don't you guys just tell uslike where you guys are from
originally, how you got toAustin, because your timelines
actually are a little differentwhen you both got here?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
absolutely yeah yeah, we could, we could start.
I think I want to start also bysaying you know, it's funny, I
just realized Ron and I, to someextent, are into content.
He does it full time.
That is his way of life andI've done it for many years now
and we've seen to what somepeople would call a lot of
success.
You know millions and millionsof views on YouTube.
(04:18):
This is our first ever timedoing a podcast since we ever
started making content.
Let's go, yeah, let's go firsttime we've ever been, been we
ever go.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I know I'm like this is lucky, we get you guys.
I mean yeah it's.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's crazy, but to start off, you know, obviously,
ron and brandon.
Here we are, born in california, sacramento to be specific.
Yeah, um had a little bit of anadverse upbringing.
Some would say, sure, bouncedaround, we were in a group home
and ultimately we were adoptedfrom our grandparents and our
aunt.
Well, why were we in a grouphome?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Brandon, I feel like that's a meaty part of the story
, because I listen to a lot ofpodcasts, yeah, and I'm sitting
here like if someone says thatand you leave out a part, that
is all right.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Jay Shetty.
Go ahead.
Yo, he's in some hot water,right now actually, oh, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's bad Is he?
It's bad why I like Jay.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Shetty.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of like falseclaims.
Yeah, anyways, we about it.
I think dude, dude is killingit.
Um, all right, ed, my leg goahead then.
Yeah, all right, well, anyways,I mean so our mom was 17 when
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she had us.
Yeah, our dad was 22.
They were too young.
They met partying in sacramento.
Both didn't go to college.
My mom dropped out of middleschool.
Dang dad barely graduatedcollege or high school.
I don't even know if he did,but anyways, just not ready to
have us, let alone have twins.
Yeah, fast forward.
They split up when we were two.
They never got married oranything, but they tried to make
it work, living in and out ofone-bedroom apartments.
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She was an alcoholic from themoment she had us.
She claims she didn't drinkwhen she had us in her stomach,
so bless her for that part.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, you guys are killing it as individuals, yeah,
but our dad has come forwardand said that our mom did drugs,
our mom did this, and I don'tknow how you guys are still like
fully functioning.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, I'm like it's alive if she did because you
guys are fully functioning forsure.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah and so.
But she got custody of us,which is also kind of a gray
topic because our dad claims onething happened.
Our dad claims that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Man, let's call Spade Spade.
He just didn't want to take thefull responsibility.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
He wasn't ready.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Let the mom take the kids Fair, while he still was
living his life in his 20s.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And do they communicate today?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, no one communicates with our mother.
I haven't, we haven't talked toher.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, like she reaches out to you like over the
last couple years, like youtalked to her from she's text.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I haven't seen her.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Got it in 20 years is she still in sacktown or?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
we believe, so like we like.
There's no address, you knowshe doesn't she's.
It's been a very I mean I'vegotten calls saying I'm living
in a tent, yeah, on the streetsof sacramento like I need money,
yeah that's why, when he saysshe reaches out, it's for money
okay, got it yeah money or it'slike a collect call.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
She just got arrested , yeah, um, and so it's like
every two years we'll startgetting blown up and she needs
money or something, but um.
But anyways, back just to tocatch us up to today.
Yeah, she ended up just gettingarrested over and over, um,
which ended up at one point thecourt saying you are not fit to
(07:38):
raise these kids and put us in agroup home I mean you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you're talking about meat and potatoes, you
forgot mike yeah, okay, so who'smike now?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
mike is our stepdad, okay so so what happened?
Trigger yeah, so what happenedwas our mom remarried, um, and
she ended up marrying a drug,like like a really big drug
dealer in sacramento, like hewas really big.
He ended up getting set up andSWAT team like like straight out
of straight out of a Netflixdocumentary, sure team
(08:08):
helicopters just to raid him.
He had, uh, a trunk full of Ithink it was cocaine.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I don't know.
I think it was blow got whatyou need and he had just bricks,
I guess.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Whatever it was, and and he was, he was looking at
like 15 to 20 to life, just forfor the intent to sell.
So he got locked up, he wentdown, he was the sole provider.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
My mom wasn't even working, she's we all lived in
the house, like now, this, hewas our, he was kind of like our
father figure.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, absolutely um, for a minute, for at least three
, four or five years, and thenhe got locked up, yep yep, and
it's when he got locked up, thatkind of the court stepped in
and was like, ok, now who arethese kids going to be with?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And it was straight up.
Social services while we werein school came at the doors like
Ron and Brandon.
Come with us, like you know,like we're taking you guys and
how old were you?
Yeah, great.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, so that's like that's old enough to know that's
you know what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, we knew.
Whenever someone came out thedoor, Like in school, you know
you're in a class like 20, 30.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You knew what was going on.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
There was a 50-50 chance for Ron and I for
something Dang.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
She raised you guys at Salon or they raised you guys
to like kind of like a pivotalpoint.
Yeah Ten, yeah Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, you developed a portion of your frontal lobe
and some of your identity.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, yeah, and up until that point we had already,
like, experienced so much and Igenuinely believe our brain
blocked out so much of it Likehalf, more than half of my
childhood.
I just I can't even tell youit's hard to reference Because
like brain, I think it's it'sall trauma, yeah.
And so I do remember likehighlights of just crazy, like
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parent teacher conferences,Right, and our mom would show up
drunk and come and end upfighting with the teachers.
The teachers call the cops andlike we're sitting there like
embarrassed, yeah.
And and then there's othermemories that I have of her
getting drunk and it's just usthree and she runs at us with
the knife because she's blackedout yeah, she doesn't even know
(10:11):
and I'm talking like naked nakeda knife spitting on us and it's
raining outside and the onlything we can do is we run
outside.
She'll lock us out of the houseand say you guys are never, you
know, just she's blacked out andwe will be outside for the rest
of the night and we sleepoutside and it's raining, or
I've had to, like a couple timesI like would break in.
One time I had a this exactsituation.
(10:32):
That's happened several times.
Yeah, but I had to break thewindow just because it was
raining so hard, just to unlockthe door to let us in and I
sliced my hand open and I justhim and I just in the in the
kitchen, like I just wrap it uppaper, towel, tape and it's just
like, all right, let's go tobed.
And then we wake up in themorning.
She wakes up and she's likewhat happened?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
yeah, wow, house will be thrashed like what happened.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah well, I think the other part to all of this,
too, is like, as you guys give alittle bit of insight here for
our audience, the the partthat's so amazing to me about
both of you is you don't leadwith this.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh yeah, We've never talked about this in this depth.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and to know that you don't lead with it.
You clearly are working onthose traumatic experiences,
right yeah, and working throughthat.
I mean for me, I know, as a manit's hard to be vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And that's something that I respect about you guys.
You guys are very vulnerable,but you also aren't stupid.
You don't lead with this, youdon't open with this, you don't
build trauma bond connectionswith people for it.
Yeah, and that's something thatI definitely respect about you
guys.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's actually the opposite is what we try to build
and bond.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, is what I would definitely make the argument
for.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
But there's some people that probably don't even
know this.
No, no yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There's probably people that we've met in Austin
that have no clue that we'vealready with.
That is like we probably said Iloved you, yeah, and they have
not even the slightest idea.
That's completely OK, you knoweveryone.
What I've also learned iseveryone has a story.
Absolutely Everyone hassomething they've gone through,
right their own trauma Right.
They've all gone through theirown journey, so that's important
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too.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I respect you guys for that.
That's awesome.
That's how.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I always feel I'm like everyone's journey is so
different.
It's not that anyonenecessarily had it harder or
worse.
It's just so different and weall go through our own
experiences and I feel like youguys were very blessed to have a
twin.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh my, To be right there with you.
You nailed that on the head.
You guys are probably eachother's.
You know how you hear, I'm mybrother's keeper right.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You guys are each other's angels.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It's so.
I mean that is a blessing thatwe'll never be able to fully
even explain to someone, because, like to have a partner to
always, we always had each other, so it didn't matter what the
night was like, what the lifewas throwing at us, like we
always had each other.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That is, I mean, that's really what got us
through everything and do youfeel like, because I know you
came to Austin first too.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, that was a crazy time too, Big leap of
faith.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was that hard when you left your brother?
Yeah, and then do you thinkthat you motivated your brother
to join Austin after you'd kindof settled in a little bit,
because I'm sure you visited aswell while he was?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
here.
I visited for your bachelorparty.
I threw here.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, so obviously he said my bachelor party, so
there's a crazy story to that aswell.
But the stars that aligned toallow me to be in a place to
relocate to Austin by myself.
He was obviously the mainreason to do that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But there's a lot of us that aren't from here.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I feel like it's almost further back than that,
because I'm just so fascinatedlooking where you guys are at
today.
So you grew up, you left yourmom's home, you went to a group
home.
You're 10 years old in a grouphome.
I have no idea what that's like.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know, when you say group home, I'm like what
does that mean?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's like what maybe you've seen in the movies, where
our group home was a temporaryone.
It wasn't a foster home whereyou're actually potentially
living permanently under afamily.
Living permanently under afamily, it's more like an
establishment in which you'rewaiting until the court or your
parents or someone decideswhat's going to happen next.
So we were.
I mean, it was literally almostlike a camp.
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Like not in a bad way camp butlike a YMCA camp.
There's like 100 kids ofdifferent ages and they're in
different like building sectionsand one playground for everyone
.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And and it was and how long do you wait, like, or
how long, what's the maximumamount of time you can wait
there and how long were y'allthere, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
So I think I think a lot of group homes don't?
It's kind of like um uh, dogpounds.
Okay, got it, got it you knowhow some, some dogs will get
adopted and they're only theretwo nights, Sure.
Others won't, and I don't thinkit's the same in every group
home For sure.
But that's kind of how I lookat it is.
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It's this middle ground betweenkids without guardians or
parents and then foster care,basically.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And it's like where do you put the kids that don't
have anyone claiming them?
You put them in a group home.
And then from the group home.
It's like, all right, let's seethe different paths these
different kids have.
So it's either foster care anddo they choose that path or you
choose the path.
As a kid.
You don't choose that path.
You don't have any say Got it.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You don't have any say Until a certain age.
And on that note, which issomething not that we left out
on purpose, but during thiswhole transition of us going to
a group home and growing up, ourmom and our stepdad Mike had a
kid.
Jeez, our half-brother, oh wow,and he was two when we were ten
.
So he went into the group homeat two years old.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And he stayed there until he was eight.
What in in the system we callit?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
and is he a part of your life today?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
yes, but not not.
So he just got out of jail okayhe's 26.
Yeah, I, I speak to him now.
I'm trying to help him for sure, in any way I can't get on
track.
He's stuck in sack because ofprobation absolutely so we
cannot leave.
But let's just say, I mean, hejust graduated in high school.
Because he was in jail and theyhave a program you get your ged
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for sure.
Up until that point, which waslast year, he never graduated
high school and he's, he hasmultiple felonies, yeah you know
, and so it's been a very toughgo for him.
He's on drugs, he's definitelyhe's admits it, but he also is
he's very smart and he wants todo good, and so I'm really
hoping that this time aroundwe're able to get him into a
good place, because often whathappens is we support, give,
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money, provide, and then peoplecan go ghost and they can
collect, call for sure, and thathappens.
It's a repeat.
Yeah, it's all about yourenvironment, though that's it.
And so his environment has neverchanged in 15 years and the
exact same even now so he was inthere from two to eight to
eight and when you guys got outof prison and then our mom and
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him were able to get him backand you guys were in there from
10 to 10, okay, we were in thereless than six months got it we
because our, which is stillcrazy, right, like so, and and
this is, I truly believe, themain reason why we're here today
and like not, where our littlebrother is for sure not in
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prison, dead on drugs, on thison the streets.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It's because our aunt , with the support of her
parents, our grandparents andthis is on my dad's side, yeah,
our dad is half Japanese- Okay.
So our dad's mom.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's where y'all get all this perfect hair.
Yeah, something like that.
The DJ Khaled beards.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
So our aunt was the one who made the decision.
She was 21.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And she made the decision to, was she 18?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
or 21?
I thought she was 21.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Wow, well then.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Might've been 18.
But long story short is they,she can't.
She was living in the Bay areauh, a city called San Mateo,
okay, and that's where Tom Bradyfrom Barry Barnes, for sure.
And uh, a city called San Mateo, okay, and that's where Tom
Brady from Barry Barnes andessentially drove up.
She was in our lives as much asshe could prior come see us.
I mean, she was young.
She was young, but she was ourfun on and she loved us and she
had such a big heart.
Drove down and basically saidI'm getting them and taking
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custody Love and took us out ofthe group to San Mateo to live
with her and her mom and dad aregrandparents and she raised us,
so from 10 until 10 on.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Until she had us graduate and both go to college.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What an amazing woman though.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
She is a savior, do you?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
guys just feel like you kind of grew up with her.
At the same time, though,because she was so young.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, but she was so mature, exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I look at her as more of a mother Now that we're
older, though we're 34.
She is 44, because she's 10years older than us, that's
crazy Now it feels like as we'regetting older, age gap gets
smaller.
40 and 50 now is like eh, 30and 40.
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So we looked at her as a motherfor so long and now it's like
it feels super cool andinteresting in the same time
that we're just feeling closer,more able to bond.
But one of my main motivationsis to repay her and our
grandparents to show them that,if it wasn't for you, every
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dollar that I have today Istrongly believe I wouldn't have
if it wasn't for them.
Right, like that is just fact.
And so it's like what can I doto give back?
And and that's what I'mconstantly driven by is like,
how can I take care of her andthem?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
which is like and I think it's beautiful, though I
feel like you guys function fromlike a place of gratitude, just
listening for sure.
You're saying for sure likeeven about your younger brother
and your aunt.
Like it just seems like youguys are so grateful for where
you're at and like still tryingto take care of those people
that are important to you inyour life.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So yeah that's really admirable and really cool and
it leads me to your youngerbrother was the product of his
environment exactly so exactlywho was y'all's kind of like
guardrail or other than youraunt, your guardrail, your your
version of like man that youreally look at for guidance or I
(20:22):
will probably or role modellike yeah, I mean I'm trying to
say it without saying role model, because there's I'm sure you
guys probably had some trustissues as well to like even look
at any sort of guy and be likeyeah, our grandfather was was a
sturdy hand.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, uh, he was very strict.
He was in the vietnam war.
Yeah, he's uh filipino.
He's he's uh born and raisedhawaii, very, very cultured in
that way.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So he was always a good person.
Make your bed.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, get up at 5 am you know like he would come in
with the pan like revelé, reveléyeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And like get us up and there was certain things
that, looking back, Can y'allspeak another language as well?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Okay, but then also I pay a tribute to our basketball
coach, brett Stevenson fromhigh school Sports was our
biggest outlet throughout highschool.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So you all could ball .
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh yeah, I mean used to.
I haven't touched it.
Now we're talking about balling.
It's supposed to be on the golfcourse.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm over here like I got a men's league.
Don't play with Roger, becausesometimes he'll come in here.
He's like Cass, like I'mhurting today I'm still gimping.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Y'all didn't see me come up these stairs.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, that's what I feel.
Yeah, I mean that was.
Yeah, I didn't.
I mean that's a whole nother,that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
But fourth is what really drove us to like, get
through high school.
That was like yeah, so yeah, tohis point, our coaches did play
a big role.
And then our dad came back intoour life In high school.
In high school, like towardsthe tail end of high school Was
he healthy at that point.
Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean, hestill, yes, he was healthy.
(22:02):
Still, yes, he was healthy.
I think it was more of a mentallike confidence like you know,
just not contribution.
Yeah, like sure you know.
I could only imagine, as as ayoung dad, not being the person
capable like if your sister hasto step in and raise your two
kids your younger sister youryounger sister.
(22:23):
Um, I'm sure you know thathurts a man's pride and so, like
he had a lot of things that hehad to overcome and he's come
such a long way, he lives herein austin now yeah, oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So we convinced him to move out here.
He's such an amazing thriving.
Now he's thriving and we.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
He's helped us get through so much like our
relationship has been better inthe last three years that we've
all been here and it ever has,so it's it's cool that's come
full circle.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
The last thing I'll say is the role model question.
A rep of mine asked and saidyou know, like, where'd you get
your mindset and stuff like that?
Um?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean, you guys are very mentally strong as well.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Thank you and and and I was.
It took me a while to answerthat because there wasn't one,
but I think when I reflectedwith ron and I I feel like ron's
a little softer now, but likey'all, y'all.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's how I met you guys.
Like I I mean meeting you guysI could.
You could feel another guyaround you and their energy and
be like you mentally got itgoing on right, like you know,
if somebody's tuned in, yeah,energetically right and, and I
knew that.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So that's, that's what I was going to say.
You said gratitude, law ofattraction yeah, all of that is
real.
And back to my point of rolemodel is the Internet.
Yeah, youtube videos, musicyeah, back in the day before,
youtube, like all of that was anoutlet for us.
Whether we can even remember itor not know how important it
(23:45):
was, yeah, for us to get wherewe are.
I mean watching videos ofcertain people, yeah, and like
motivational speakers from yearsago.
It's just you program.
You could program your brain.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, let's reprogram it too let's lean into that
right, because california, Ifeel like, gets a lot of credit
for the YouTube come up right,yeah, and gets a lot of credit
for the exposure of kind of likeinfluencers at a young age.
Honestly, yeah, what motivatedyou guys to do like the
identical reaction channel?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Because it's like oh yeah, and can you guys explain
what that is?
To people who don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll say what it is is,first and foremost, we knew we
always wanted to do somethingtogether.
Yeah, Since we were young, wealways had that ambition and we
knew it was always there.
Yeah, and, as the world wouldhave it, I think COVID was
actually probably a light on usto say, hey, let's try something
(24:42):
.
Yeah, and it did start as apodcast called Identical
Disagreements, which we weretalking about before we recorded
which, at the time, it was justour voices, as a podcast
typically is and we realizedwe're identical twins.
People need to see us 100%.
They need to see our passionagainst each other.
Yeah, and y'all bicker.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
We do.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I also need to give credit to Juan, as he is the
mastermind behind all the theYouTube and marketing.
He did a couple of channelsprior to us doing something.
He's he's been the entrepreneurbetween us two.
I've been on a more of a umcorporate ladder approach, but
we always I, I'm, I'm alwaysabout multiple streams of income
(25:27):
side hustle doing those typesof things, and so I knew when,
when we decided to do it butwanted to give him a shout out
there.
Okay, ron.
I don't know if I do it enoughbecause he really is really
brilliant with stuff like that.
But then we switched to YouTubeand we decided in COVID I still
live in San Diego, literally wejust had our iPhones and then I
got like a $20 mic he probablyhad nicer stuff, sure, iphones.
(25:49):
And then we I got like a 20 miche, he probably had nicer stuff
, sure and I just like would pinthe phone and and we'd go one
on face time, one, two, three,and we both hit record at the
same time and just recordourselves and it was really
janky, yeah.
But um, that's how we kind ofstarted identical reactions,
okay.
And then, if you want to talkabout how it kind of blew up, I
think I don't want to just takeall the credit of speaking, yeah
(26:10):
.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Or what, yeah, you have questions.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Okay, so you guys both went to college, which I'm
so impressed by, right.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, you're saying so.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
were you guys like, when you started doing the
content creation, did you have acareer on that?
Like, were you guys doing thison the side?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, yeah.
So we both went to college.
I went to, so he went to SanDiego State.
Yeah, contacts right out ofhigh school.
I didn't get into any of thecolleges that I wanted to, so I
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made the decision to actuallymove out to San Diego, where he
was, and go to junior collegeout there.
And I was like, oh, I'll juststay out there with you, yeah,
and then I'll just transfer tosdsu.
Uh, I just, I didn't focus onmy grades as much as I should
have.
I didn't end up getting intosdsu after, uh, two years going
to junior college.
So I end up going to sacramentostate, got it.
So I actually went that.
That was actually the like abig first time.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
We that's the first time you guys were apart.
Yeah, yeah, okay yeah, um.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
But I was like, oh, it's cool, I'll go to sac state
for a year and I'll justtransfer, I'll get my grades up
and I'll transfer, yeah and.
But I ended up, um, I had agirl out there.
I ended up meeting some of mylifelong best friends.
So, anyways, that is what ourcollege situation was.
I graduate college, then Imoved.
He was still in san diego.
He never left san diego.
He went there and he was likeSan Diego is the best city in
(27:31):
the world.
He stayed there.
It's still, I mean money aside.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think you know it's a great, it's a great spot.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
And he had a very serious relationship which we
can dive into if we want.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Is that the marriage?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I have my high school sweetheart I was yeah, okay.
Yeah, we split when I was 29,so about five years ago.
Wow, they went to collegetogether.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
We went to high school college, yeah, crazy,
bought a house but so no kids hewas, he was like in his own
bubble.
His life was already figuredout there in san diego, um, but
I graduate college and I'm likedamn, I want to go back, like
for whatever reason, for sure uh, and it was actually at that
time that I started thinkingabout content and I was like man
, if we went to the same city.
This is back when, like I juststarted watching, like vine,
(28:19):
logan paul yeah and I startedlike twitch just became a thing
and I was watching this dudenamed nick merckx I don't
remember him, but we're the sameage, so it's like I'm so, yeah,
yeah, I, I was watching him incollege when he was getting 15
to 20 viewers a night.
Yeah, uh, today his, his networth is like 30 million.
(28:40):
He, he was the number one, uh,twitch streamer for like a
couple years.
He's like a massive dude.
Yeah, he gets like 30 000viewers, I think he's.
He might be on kick now, butanyways, um, all this stuff was
just motivating me.
I'm like there's nothing thatthese individuals possess that
brandon and I don't possess,like for sure.
Jake paul, logan paul, what,what can?
they do what and like in my head, I was always this super
(29:02):
confident and I always knew,like almost to a fault,
delusional amount of confidencein the sense of, like I would
tell people in college, man, I'mgonna retire when I'm 30, I
love it.
I mean, I'm 34 now, I'm not.
Yeah, well, some would argue,I'm retired because I do what I
love and I'm a youtuber, butanyway, oh yeah.
So, um, tying all that back in,we go out there, we get in the
(29:24):
corporate world yeah, so, andyou both went tech for the most
part, yeah.
Yeah, went tech right off thebat I got into recruiting and I
was at like a staffing agencyand, for those that don't know,
I basically was helping peoplefind jobs.
Yeah, and I was living in SanDiego.
He was in sales in tech in SanDiego and things are going well.
(29:46):
I end up getting a job atGoogle Wow, and things are going
well I end up getting a job atGoogle.
Wow.
And they told me when I gotthat job, to be in recruiting
they said you can either go tothe Bay Area headquarters or you
can go to Austin, texas.
I'd never even been to Texas.
I hear you and I'm living inSan Diego and I'm like man F it.
I'm like at the time I had nogirlfriends, no strings attached
(30:11):
.
I was like leap of faith, whynot, worst case, I hate Texas,
go back.
I'll move back to San Diego,I'll quit Google, I don't care,
I'll find another job.
Like I was like you know, justagain a lot of confidence.
And so I come out here, I'm onmy own, I'm super just like
grind mode motivated.
That grind mode motivated,that's when I started content
(30:32):
creation.
I was like I need to startdoing something on the side.
Yeah, or I'm I'm gonna likeregret it, and I just know I'm
like man, I'm destined for somuch more.
I need to like just have animpact.
You know, whatever it is, therewas this, this calling.
I know that sounds cliche, no,and corny, but I just knew like
there was something, somethinglike I I literally used to watch
and I still do, like I watchjustin bieber and I'm not I'm
(30:54):
I'm not even 100th as oftalented as a human being as he
is, but I remember thinking likeI, I feel like I can be in a
world like that and all thethings he's receiving I can
receive, and I was like, allright, I just got to start doing
something.
So I, I, yeah, I created acouple different youtube
channels a lot of differentchannels.
(31:15):
Um, I started I tried streaminglike I just was trying to find
my niche, and then I was likecovid hit and I was like brandon
, and this is he's grinding, sobut I was like let's do a
podcast, we'll do it after hours, um, after you get off of work,
after we get off of work, andI'll do everything.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And I remember you were like changing jobs too.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, when I moved out here, I ended up then
switching jobs, which is hard tobalance it to right.
I'm just like, so in awe,because the fact that you guys
like, even, just like shiftedyour mindset this much from your
upbringing, this much from yourupbringing, just even the fact
someone could be like wow,you're so successful just by
having like your tech jobs andworking for Google, and both
(31:56):
being successful in tech andthen you guys were like you know
what, like we believe inourselves, we're gonna take it
even one step further, like holyshit yeah, you know what it
also I think is you guys maybehave a little bit of insights,
but maybe viewers don't knowthey're like OK, like these guys
are talking their stories andthey, ok, they're successful.
What do you mean?
What have they actually done?
So I don't think we've talkedabout some of the actual cool
(32:20):
milestones you know from aYouTube and just career
standpoint that we've been ableto hit, because I know, as far
as like timing goes andeverything but um, I don't, you
know what, before you even go on.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
It's weird is I don't even like talking about it too
much, because it's like theseare still in my mind, stepping
stone yeah and it's like you'llhave us back in three years I
know yeah and it's like, I'llhave, you know, the the million
subscriber plaque.
I'll have this business.
That is massive.
I'll.
I you know, lambo.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Uris.
Well, I'll give y'all acompliment to say something that
I think a lot of people forget.
It's like, yeah, you may dreamabout the intended life that you
want.
You may have that feeling of,oh, I can be or I will be, and I
think everybody forgets there'san established date.
You look at a business and theysay established in 2020,
established in 2014, establishedin 1990 1900.
(33:16):
You guys deserve credit for theidea that you established
something and you took that leapof faith and you tried.
And not only have you tried,you both are doing a hell of a
damn good job at it throughoutthat process.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I think people don't even realize how hard it is to
do content creation and howfucking consistent you have to
be, because just him and Itrying to do this podcast is
like a side hustle.
I'm like this is a lot offucking work, it is.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, with YouTube, not only that is you do the same
, you have to get on the sameschedule, create the content.
But then for the first likeyear and a half, Ron was
manually chopping and screwingand creating videos, editing,
himself, taking.
So we would spend like fourhours, five hours, of recording
a week while working full time.
(34:03):
So for me I would have to driveto his house on like Thursdays
and I'd be there from 7 pm tolike 11 pm and I've worked the
next day and that's justrecording I get back over on
sunday to the recording and thenhe would have to edit two,
three hours each day after that.
Yeah, uh, and then we got to apoint where we can hire a team
in in the philippines anddifferent parts for sure help us
(34:25):
create all that, but it's hard.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It's a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was,it was it's.
It's that.
It's the story that you hear.
Most successful people like youhave to be willing.
You have to do what otherswon't so you can live how others
can't.
And the thing that that I waswilling to do is like I'd get
off of work, I'd hopefully hitthe gym, but I'd go home and I
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I'd be up till midnight mostnights.
I mean there was literal.
There were nights like I'd beup till midnight most nights.
I mean there was literal.
There were nights like it'd beFriday night and Brandon would
be going out, my girl would begoing out, they'd all be going
out, and I'd be like I gottaedit.
So I'll be editing till one andshe comes back.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I actually remember a night where that happened
Really.
You came to the pregame andwent home to go.
Edit.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh, dude yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm pregame and went home to go edit.
Oh, dude, yeah, I'm surprised Iwent to the pregame because
because you dropped your girloff, oh, that's why, okay, you
dropped her off you popped insay what up?
Yeah, you were like yourbrother's leaving and I'm like
where's he going?
Yeah, because at the time I hadreally I knew you first, even
though you came to austin later,right, and I'm like am I seeing
double?
Or am I that drunk at thisparty right now that I just saw?
I'm like I talked to you hereand I just saw somebody walk in
and out of that look just likeyou, and then that was when I
(35:36):
got introduced to the idea thatyou guys were twins.
So I mean, again, I rememberthe moment where you left the
pregame to go home and edit,yeah.
So it's just it's really wildto hear a little bit more of
this background to all of it.
It's just it's really wild tohear a little bit more of this
background to all of it, becausenot only does it make sense,
but it answers some of thequestions where I was confused
for a little bit.
I was definitely confused.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, it makes sense.
I feel like the YouTubealgorithm too, from what I've
heard, is just like a fuckingmonster, like when you're
putting out content, the peopleyou're competing with, like Mr
Beast, or like JoJo, what's hername.
There's just so many peoplethat you're competing with and I
think that algorithm is like awhole nother animal.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And I want to ask y'all as well.
It's like we all have tattoos,all of us but I think there's a
version as well where I knowsome of the people that I've
been associated with will makejudgments, because I've gotten
crazy into some of my tattoos,like I'm starting to go there
and I'm like I'm over 30.
They're like what the fuck areyou doing, right?
Do you guys feel like you'reever stereotyped with your
(36:39):
tattoos or put in a box?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
He's in a good situation because he controls,
he's his own boss, he's afull-time YouTuber.
He could tattoo his whole face.
I mean he's tattooed neck down,yeah, and he probably feels
great about it because that's,that's the trade off and it's
part of one of the rewards of it, I will say, being in tech.
There are times where I sadlyhave to wear a button up when
(37:03):
it's 100 degrees, a hundredpercent, because I'm about I'm
going to go meet a CRO I'venever met before, or I'm going
to have lunch, you know, with,with, with someone, or whatever
it might be.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So even interviews man, it's even interviews.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
There's truth to it.
I think the, the society andthe industry has gotten a lot
better for sure.
And we're getting that wayCause I remember there was a few
times early on, one of Ron'sboss at Google was fully tatted
up and probably was a reason whyhe felt it was 100 was okay.
I mean, if you're at google,you know, and he's wearing a
t-shirt, v-neck and like tats,yeah, there's, there's a reason
(37:38):
and I think if you're good atwhat you do and it doesn't
matter what you look like.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right, right, genuinely.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
But there's still, there's two sides to it always.
But yeah, unfortunately peoplestill judge by what they see
yeah and and, and maybe it'swhen you deal with older
generations or even younger,whatever it might be yeah
there's still parts of that, umthat we, we just have to roll
with the punches and maneuverourselves through.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah well, I mean, tattoos are one thing,
right, like in corporate americabut like did you guys start
getting slack also for doing thecontent creation?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Oh, this is a funny topic because so many.
There were several times whereI remember, right after work
people would be like we're goingto happy hour and I'm like, oh,
I can't, I gotta go.
And people would be like, bro,you're wasting your time, like,
where do you?
I got to go.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
And people would be like, bro, you're wasting your
time when do you think this isgoing to go?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
What are you really going to do, ron?
You really think you can dothis?
And some of these conversationshave been just planted in my
head Like wow.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You don't forget those moments man.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
There's a sense of I don't want to say it's pity,
because it really is like fuelfor sure, but but those, those
doubters are like some of thereasons.
What kept me like going evenmore is just because I, I know,
just man post malone'scongratulations lyrics.
If you, you need to listen to ityeah and, on a deeper level,
(39:07):
for anyone who hasn't, becausepeople will doubt you and doubt
you and doubt you, and for someof us, you get there in six
months, other of us you get.
You get there in 10 years.
Like for you guys for thispodcast, what I'd say is like,
even if you're not getting theresults or rewards that you're
you were hoping for expecting,if you keep at it like,
eventually what's going tohappen is people are going to be
(39:28):
coming up telling youcongratulations, absolutely.
And the people that at one pointthought what you were doing was
are going to waste of timethey're going to tell people
they're going to be so pumped tobe like I, I know, I know and
I'm.
That's something that drives meas well, because I already know
there are people that talkabout me in little contexts, um,
like that, like they're,they're so proud or like, bro,
(39:51):
I've been, you know, I've beenrooting for you and it's like
all right, yeah, like you know,I, I know, I know I remember the
conversation when it wasn'tthat way.
Yeah exactly, and there'smichael b jordan.
I don't it had this viralinterview yeah, with a bully
with a bully a lady who used tomake fun of him in high school
he called her out a nerd, yeah,and he was like oh and she?
(40:11):
She's like I'm here withmichael b jordan.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
He's like yeah, yeah, the nerd right, that nerd right
, yeah, it's like and she's likeno, I never said that.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
And he's like yeah, okay and like to me yeah that
like he, he that represents alot, and so like for you and for
anyone listening.
Yeah, man, that everything thatI was talking about, about when
I look at like a logan paul, ajake paul, I know you know,
think what you want about them.
That's not the point.
The point is what I I'm notsuper special and anyone that's
(40:41):
listening to this I'm from thebottom of my heart have
something they can offer forsure but the the reason why most
people won't get to that levelof success is because a they
never start, because they're tooworried about other people's
opinions.
That established date man andthen, once they start, they quit
when they quit because theydon't see results, and that's it
(41:01):
.
And and the thing is, no onecan give you a timeline for when
you're going to get the results.
But all I'm telling anyonelistening is like, whatever it
is you think you can't do likeyou can, there's nothing special
, if anything like yeah, theodds were against both of us A
hundred percent yeah.
You know, and it was just Istarted, I was consistent, I was
(41:22):
dedicated and you push through.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
And I think you hear that too.
It's like there's so much inyour story where you watch the
ping pong ball go back and forthbetween you two.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Where it's like you were established in San Diego
and you kind of came along forthe ride, and then you were
established in Austin, you kindof came along for the ride, and
I think there's something elseto that as well.
It's like you don't forget thatversion of connection that you
guys have.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Not only is it from a level of like DNA, but you guys
really do trust each other.
You know how many familymembers are DNA connected and
don't trust or love each otherthe way in which y'all do?
Yeah, yeah, and I think that'svery special, but I also feel
like that could lead to someproblems as well.
Right, like what would you sayis maybe like one of the biggest
misconceptions about either ofyou.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think the biggest from both of us is without
hearing the story.
Yeah, uh, they, they'll see usdriving a nice car or that we
can speak.
Very well, if you go out todinner and you say I am just
being introduced to you guys forthe very first time and we have
a great dinner and we leave,yeah, never in a million years,
(42:30):
you know, would you guys thinkor know that we have had such a
adverse background and be like,oh, these great, well-spoken,
yeah, redheads you guys don'tleave with them they probably
had such a good upbringing.
Their family must, you know, besuper involved in their lives,
uh, and so I think that's a hugemisconception.
Uh, for sure, um, that's,that's, I would say, is the
(42:52):
biggest.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I don't know if there's anything else that comes
to mind no, I mean I, I, wehave the same answer yeah, a lot
of to a lot of questions, andand that's one where I say the
same, like most people wouldassume- I think.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
another one, as I just thinking, is you guys are
overly optimistic or you're toopositive.
Yeah, I got that my whole life,bro.
I get this my whole life.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, All the time People are like are you?
What are you on?
I'm like me, I'm on me.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You're too.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I'm just, I'm that positive yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, what is such thing as toxic positivity?
Speaker 4 (43:32):
No, but to be honest, I think there's such thing as
toxic anything at an excessiveamount.
Absolutely it doesn't matter.
Give me one thing, and if youare too much of it, it's a bad
thing For sure.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Generous, yeah, yeah, false positivity Meaning you're
saying it, it, but everyoneknows you don't mean it, you
don't believe it there you gofake yeah that is, in a way,
what I refer to when it's likethe toxic positivity yeah, you
know what I'm saying yeah whenyou're genuine, you believe and
you feel it.
Yeah, that's that's.
I think that's a different.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
That's a different it's a whole different world to
exist in.
Yeah, and I guess that alsoleads to a version of like how
do you guys stand up againstmaybe versions of cancel culture
, right, because I think oncepeople hear your story, they
then want to discredit you.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Once people learn about you and then see your
success where you are presentday, they then want to doubt you
or say you know what?
There has to be something there, Like they want to try to
figure you out.
Well, say you know what therehas to be something there, Like
they want to try to figure youout.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Well, what I think is so interesting, too, about
cancel culture is, I feel like,as a creator, you have to be
authentic, because that's how Ifeel like people resonate with
you.
So if you're being authenticyourself and you say something
that offends people and it'sgoing to like.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I just don't know how you guys deal with it.
There's two things Ron probablyhas a whole lot more, but I'll
quickly say one is you establishyour own mindset with cancel
culture and you realize Irealized early on we had a
couple of videos that gotmillions of views.
Right, when you get millions ofviews, you get thousands of
comments.
And if you early on I'm likedude, we just went from 300
subscribers to 50,000.
(45:09):
Yeah, and I start, I'm bored.
I read comments all day and youcould get hit left and right
with negative comments,absolutely, and it starts to get
to you and then you realizeafter a certain point that you
can never please anyone.
There's always keyboard rangers.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
And once you have that as a mindset, that's one
way.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
And then crap, I forgot what I was going to say
for the other one.
Yeah, forgot, go ahead, ron.
No, but I always.
What's funny is, personally I'mnot super religious, but I use
this as an example because Ithink it speaks volumes to
anyone creating content If JesusChrist was alive and created a
YouTube channel people would bein the comments, capping on his
hair and his outfit.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
All day yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
So like if you understand that it doesn't
matter if you are the most.
All you want is good for theworld.
There's gonna be haters.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
There's gonna be people ripping you.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I remember what I was gonna say.
The second thing is there's noreal such thing as bad publicity
.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
No way.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
So, granted, depending on what you say, like
if mean there's there's hatefuland wrong things to say that I
don't support and I, I won't sayyeah.
But if there's something whereit's like it's debatable and
people are trying to cancel youfor it, but then it spikes your
relevancy and yeah, online orwherever, then at the end of the
day, you know, a lot of peoplehave made a really good living
(46:25):
from those types of situations.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I mean, you brought up the Paul brothers, right,
right, exactly.
There's versions of that.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I mean you could go, Brian Garci, Kanye West, Andrew.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Tate.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I actually like him.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
They said really there's a lot of people that
like him too.
Not as much as that.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I think he you know there's a lot of women that
don't yeah.
That's cool, I would love tohave a conversation of your
thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
There's something there too, where it's like you
talk about.
There's no bad PR.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
There's something there to say, where it's like
there's no one successful in thecomments.
Yeah, there's no successfulperson in the comments.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
You will never be getting hate from someone that's
more successful than you in thecomments.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
And there's also no healthy person trying to
dismantle somebody else.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
It just makes them look so bad.
Absolutely, julia Fox, she'slike an influencer.
She said she just leaves thosecomments there.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
So they look crazy Because they live with it.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Like you said something stupid.
It's going to sit there andyou're going to live with it.
Do you listen something stupid?
It's gonna sit there and you'regonna live with it.
So do you?
You listen to gary v a hundredpercent because yeah that's I, I
.
What you said is exactly what hesaid, and really I say this all
the time.
Um, which is like no one who ishappy, yeah is in the comments,
leaving negative comments atall, like, if anything, you
should feel bad for that personbecause what kind of person is
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on the on their phone or orlaptop?
And you got to think about it,watching someone else's content,
taking the time to typesomething hurtful like what kind
of what is that person goingthrough to want to do that?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
and when you think about it that way, it's like
yeah and sometimes it's shockingtoo when you you may be able to
understand that on a computerbut, sometimes people forget it
when it's verbal as well, right,Like if somebody verbally has
to go to that great extreme totry to dismantle somebody else,
what's wrong with you, Likethat's a problem.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
A lot of people yeah, a lot of people have that
problem.
Oh yeah, oh yeah A lot ofpeople have that problem.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean, yeah,like I said, everyone's dealing
with stuff too, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I love that you brought up Gary Vee, though, too
, because he was in.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
He was just actually here.
He was just here and at theother Pouch Six studio.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, but it's crazy, just even like the podcasting
scene in Austin.
Who's like coming around thestudios because I know you guys
said you had a lot of peoplethat like influenced you to
create and like inspiration,role models and a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, that's one of mine.
We have the same birthday,november 14.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
What sign is that?
Scorpio?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
there you go.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
I've hit him up a couple times on LinkedIn and
stuff.
I'm like we need to launch abusiness, something.
November 14th.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
My buddy got a job from Gary Vee by just going to
his live stream every single day.
That's incredible, he wouldliterally comment and this guy?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
like that is.
Gary Vee's motto is like theconsistency and just keep
putting it up.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Being there, showing up Bro, every day, that's's
crazy, that's what I say to himall the time, though it's like
if you think about how fast timegoes by, it goes by like this
yeah so if you're consistent,time's gonna go by, and you've
been consistent it left you inthe past where you want, to be
exactly so exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
I say that all the time, especially with content,
man like man.
There's one caveat, which isyou're putting in at least
enough effort to make smallimprovements.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
You know, mr Beast always says each video should
improve by one percent in oneaspect, whether it's a thumbnail
, the intro, the edit, the music, whatever.
But I strongly strongly believe, and I'm actually coaching
people.
One of the things, one of thebusinesses that I started, was
I'm coaching people to do what Ido, which is I react.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Man I might reach out to you.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Because it's.
It's one of those things whereit is such a like a low entry
yeah to get started, all youneed is a cell phone and a
laptop.
Love it, um.
But it's about consistency.
If you, if you upload every day, yeah right, even if your first
few videos get one view, twoand you're only gaining two
subscribers a week, yeah youmight look at that like damn,
(50:39):
this is a failure, but that'sgonna compound yeah and if you
never give up in 10 years, likethat compound interest is crazy
and then and a week you mightlook at that like damn, this is
a failure, but that's going tocompound.
And if you never give up in 10years, like that compound
interest is crazy.
And then and then you knowpeople will look and be like, oh
, this person has a couple ofhundred, oh, a couple thousand
also, cause then when they see abigger number they're more
likely and it'll just build.
So it's inevitable that youwill grow.
The only way you don't grow isif you stop or if you don't put
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in effort and you're just doingthe same thing over and over,
expecting different results.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Oh, that's the definition of insanity, that is
so cool.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
I'm like we need to call you because we're on
YouTube.
We need a coaching session.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
We've cracked a little bit of a code with it to
some extent, and what's greatabout YouTube is like we still
get a check from a video we didyears ago Absolutely.
Like it doesn't go away.
Yep so if someone finds you.
You know how you guys have alldone a rabbit hole you're going
to the bathroom, or you, you'rejust chilling, you're waiting
(51:35):
and you're on shorts, or you're.
You're seeing a bunch of videosand they're recommend and
you're going down rabbit holes.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I'm a New Yorker and I say this for the reason of my
rabbit hole.
It's like I went down a rabbithole one time about your guys'
content with Michael Rappaport.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I'm looking through his stuff.
I'm like I fucking know theseguys.
That's funny.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, to your point, youtube is.
For anyone thinking aboutcreating content, content,
youtube is by far the bestplatform because it's the second
biggest search engine in theworld yeah, so what that means.
You make a content that goesviral on TikTok, on Instagram,
on any platform you name it.
(52:14):
Yeah, six months from now.
How is someone going to findthat?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
oh, that's fair on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
people search for things.
They're always going to haveaccess to videos.
People are always going to besearching for videos.
Your content is alwaysaccessible.
People aren't scrolling on andwatching old, old, old content,
and it's also not something thatsomeone can search for on these
other platforms.
Will that change?
Probably, but YouTube by far isthe number one platform I'd
(52:42):
recommend to anyone.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I mean, you guys have a lot to offer.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I know I'm like we have to close out, but I'm like
I don't really want to.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, you guys have a lot to offer.
There's multiple ways.
No, for sure.
It's like there's multiple waysin which you guys can be
utilized for anybody.
Where can they reach out to you?
Where can they find you?
I think it's important for theaudience to walk away and know
that there's ways that they canaccess you for sure.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, so for me personally, my Instagram is just
at Ron J-A-X-N, so at RonJackson.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
It's like a porn star name Ron Jackson.
I'm Brandon Jackson.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I'm Brandon Jackson.
My Instagram is Mr B Jackson.
I'm Brandon Jackson.
I'm Brandon Osborne Jackson.
My Instagram is MrBJacks.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
And it's just J-A-C-K-S.
So, MrBJacks, I mean we shouldbe tagged in the chat.
Yeah, we'll definitely tag youguys, but as far as the actual
content and stuff, I mean, wehave identical reactions.
You can check the YouTube out.
We haven't posted on that in awhile, but I it's, it's living
and it's well, guys, spark itback up.
Man, yeah, like you guys, we dohave plans to do something with
(53:48):
this, so stay tuned there yeah,we can't.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
We can't let that fizzle out.
I mean, that's I know we put alot into it but we learned a lot
and um, but I'm I'm uploadingcontent every day on um a
channel with my wife actuallycalled rice and ginger that's
awesome anime based.
So if you're into anime, checkout rice and ginger, let's go um
.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
We just saw someone I think he worked here with uh,
an anime shirt yeah, really Ishouted yeah, I was like dope
shirt man?
Speaker 4 (54:14):
um, we need to find out who that is but this is I'm
really passionate aboutmotivating people to get started
with this stuff because I likecontent.
Creation is not only is it thebest job you can have in the
world, but it's the it's goingto be the most powerful as time
(54:34):
goes on.
When you think about the impactMr Beast has, when you think
about I mean, I use this exampleall the time and I'm sorry if
if from a time perspective, no,we're close now.
Okay, you're good the super bowlis.
Is is known as like the numberone watched um event in us and
for on television, and itnormally averages around a
(54:57):
hundred million views I meanthey compare the women's draft
to super bowl numbers, right, soit's like it's kind of like the
common denominator ofcomparison for everything.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah, it's the bar.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
Yeah which is interesting because, okay, so
the, the, the um super bowl isgetting 100 million views on
average per every time.
It's right, okay, and becauseof that they're able to charge
businesses.
I think it's on average, $7million for 30 seconds for a
commercial.
Everyone knows the commercialis super expensive, but it's
because that is this one timeyou get all these eyes right.
(55:30):
That is how much the Super Bowlcan charge.
Someone like Mr Beast drops avideo almost once a week that
does 250 million views onaverage.
Wow so he's, he's doubling theviews that that the super bowl
does, which is super bowls oneday a year.
Mr piece is doing it weekly.
You know the trouble thatyoutubers are getting into right
(55:52):
now, not even trouble, but thedilemma is he's breaking the,
the.
He doesn't know how much tocharge, because how you charge
someone is based on views.
Yeah, and he gets too manyviews.
He's an anomaly man he gets toomany views, but what I'm saying
is that should put intoperspective the power and impact
YouTube and content creatorswill have, because it's just
(56:14):
going to get bigger and better.
Content creators are going torun the world.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
They have the most impact.
If the Rock wanted to run forpresident, if he wanted us.
If mr beast wanted to, he cansway who the president is.
If you want 100, if heliterally said yo, everyone, go
vote for blank there's a certain, there's a large happening.
Yeah, they said that abouttaylor swift too.
Taylor swift, oh, she's a lotof people with them.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
She's like they said that exact she kids can sway the
presidency.
Yes, crazy, it is crazy.
She's a boss.
There's a lot of people withthem.
She's a boss, like they said,that she can sway the presidency
it's crazy, it is crazy that'sa whole other, like the power of
superstars today could be oneof your guys topics.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
I would love that, that's good, I mean we're gonna
have to get you guys back toothere's so much.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
There's a lot more.
I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, I want to know about, like you know, your
marriages, your datingexperience oh yeah, that's true,
austin, yeah well many yearsnow I'm happily I think it's
only fair, though.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
We got twins, so you deserve two episodes yeah, let's
go, okay, sorry.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Sorry, ladies like no one's single.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
We got twins.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
They deserve two episodes, I know um, real quick,
sorry, and just to tie upeverything, content creation is
the way and I promise youeveryone, if you have a passion,
yeah, there you're creating anexcuse.
If you think, what you'repassionate about you can't make
money on yeah from a contentcreate creation perspective.
With that being said, and I'msorry, I'm super passionate
(57:35):
about this yeah, yes I'm liketrying to motivate and inspire
everyone that I know yeah to doand I know most people won't.
Most of my friends I pitch.
I'm like yo start a YouTube, dothis.
Most people won't I get it, butthose that do.
I promise you, if you stickwith it like you will end up
creating a life that you love,with freedom, more money than
(57:56):
you ever could imagine.
But, with that being said, I amfree, live q a's, love it,
where I just I'll answer yourquestions.
I I thought I would um, so I, Italk, I, I I post about it on my
instagram, okay, and then Ihave a discord, which I will
answer questions as well, butthen I it's literally like yo,
what, here's the google link,like join, if you want to join,
(58:17):
we're going to be.
And because of like, howpassionate I am and I just want
to give back, it's like I'vecreated this and it's like
what's the point if I can't thenshare it and impact others?
Yeah and so, anyway, yeah, itis, that's that's my big, big
mission is, you know, youtubeviews.
Creating a platform is amazing,but, like, what's the point if
(58:39):
you're not using that platformto have a positive impact?
Like, what's the point ifyou're not using that platform
to have a positive impact?
What's the point?
If you're not making someoneelse's life better, then you're
wasting your time.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Will Smith, will Smith, I'm so inspired.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
You're like the podcast, let's go do YouTube.
I'm gonna go home.
You guys?
Literally the fact that youguys are getting the content via
video and you guys are doing itall.
It makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You have to straighten it to keep it
straight Really, yeah, or elseit gets super curly.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
My shit, I'm trying to grow long and it's just like
it goes crazy.
That's a lot Crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's a lot of work.
When I first moved out hereyeah, I had to oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I swear you can never guess what race y'all are to
some degree.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So, so, cash, you want to kick it off?
Oh no, you're doing that.
Well, welcome to in the lobby.
Y'all happy to have everybodyback.
We have cast and I back doingan episode together.
But, more importantly, we havetwo friends of mine uh, two
individuals, but two, a set oftwin brothers that really, you
guys are established as your ownbut really are well respected
in my book.
I've you guys are establishedas your own but really are
well-respected in my book.
I've witnessed you guys growinto great men and have been,
honestly, whether it be from adistance or very close,
(00:50):
intimately tied to stories thatI do know about you guys.
I respect you guys and I thinkvery highly of you.
So we're happy to have you onhere and we got Ron and Brandon
Jackson.
So thank you very much forjoining in the lobby.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Of course, of course, and honestly, from like a
marketing perspective, identicaltwins sound that much better
from an introduction standpoint,like I'm here with twins, he's
one minute older than me.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Okay, he's my little brother.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
He says that all the time, but I tell people it's
because I kicked him out of thewomb.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, let me ask you this who wins in a fight?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Go of the.
Well, let me ask you this who?
Who wins in a fight?
Oh, go ahead, I'll let you takethis.
Okay, I, I will be the firstone to say, probably, uh, 90 of
our life, 95 of our life, itwould be ron, I think.
If we go way back to childhood,in high school, you had a
couple w's.
No, no, no, uh, it would be ron.
Yeah, so I didn't have the w's.
He was a I, I think a borninnate fighter.
(01:46):
I always say he should havebeen an MMA fighter.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
He always had an aggression.
It's a great backup plan man hewas.
He was always drawn to kind ofthat type of art of fighting,
you know, and then I'veobviously been in some scuffles
with him growing up and he likesit.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, I don't like to fight.
I, I don't.
I can't imagine you guys asfighters until I witnessed one
moment where it's like you guys,just you're the wrong ones to
piss off, because I do see thatyou guys fought for the right
thing in that moment, that wehad experience together.
So, yeah, I think that's maybesomething we leave off the
podcast, but either way, yeah,yeah, yeah, we don't want
anything coming back.
Yeah, your, your story doeshave context, so I could see
that.
But there's a fight too, right,like there's a fight that you
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guys have experienced in me,getting to know you guys and
just like how you got yourselfto where you are today, and I
think that'll be fun to explorehere on the episode as well.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, I mean, I can't even say enough, like how
highly Roger talks about youguys, because, like from day one
, which roger and I were likeco-workers and roger was always
like cast podcasts with me sheturned me down so many times she
was like fuck, no, I'm notputting you on my goddamn
podcast.
Yeah, I was like what do I get?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
well, you already had a podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I already had a podcast called pain in my cast
and roger was like do you needlike a co, a co-host?
And I was like why?
I was like I'm doing everythingby myself anyway.
Long story short, I becameco-host and I was like why?
I was like I'm doing everythingby myself anyway.
Long story short, I becameco-host.
I finally was like all right,you know, this might work out
well for me.
Male and female dynamic oh yeahbut like day one of us having
the podcast, it was like youguys who we wanted he wanted as
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guests.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So 100, that's so funny and he honored.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
He's been hyped like I've been a little bit too
excited, like happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I've been low-key, like fanboying fanboying in our
text you know but I think that'swhat's funny, because, like
I'll have some of my friends onand then now he's like having
his friends on and it's like Ididn't even realize how great
you guys all were until lastnight when we started doing the
screening call and I was likeshit, like I'm hyped about this
episode now, like well, I meanthat.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
How about we do like an appropriate introduction too
for our audience?
Why don't you guys just tell uslike where you guys are from
originally, how you got toAustin, because your timelines
actually are a little differentwhen you both got here?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
absolutely yeah yeah, we could, we could start.
I think I want to start also bysaying you know, it's funny, I
just realized Ron and I, to someextent, are into content.
He does it full time.
That is his way of life andI've done it for many years now
and we've seen to what somepeople would call a lot of
success.
You know millions and millionsof views on YouTube.
(04:18):
This is our first ever timedoing a podcast since we ever
started making content.
Let's go, yeah, let's go firsttime we've ever been, been we
ever go.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I know I'm like this is lucky, we get you guys.
I mean yeah it's.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's crazy, but to start off, you know, obviously,
ron and brandon.
Here we are, born in california, sacramento to be specific.
Yeah, um had a little bit of anadverse upbringing.
Some would say, sure, bouncedaround, we were in a group home
and ultimately we were adoptedfrom our grandparents and our
aunt.
Well, why were we in a grouphome?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Brandon, I feel like that's a meaty part of the story
, because I listen to a lot ofpodcasts, yeah, and I'm sitting
here like if someone says thatand you leave out a part, that
is all right.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Jay Shetty.
Go ahead.
Yo, he's in some hot water,right now actually, oh, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's bad Is he?
It's bad why I like Jay.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Shetty.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of like falseclaims.
Yeah, anyways, we about it.
I think dude, dude is killingit.
Um, all right, ed, my leg goahead then.
Yeah, all right, well, anyways,I mean so our mom was 17 when
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she had us.
Yeah, our dad was 22.
They were too young.
They met partying in sacramento.
Both didn't go to college.
My mom dropped out of middleschool.
Dang dad barely graduatedcollege or high school.
I don't even know if he did,but anyways, just not ready to
have us, let alone have twins.
Yeah, fast forward.
They split up when we were two.
They never got married oranything, but they tried to make
it work, living in and out ofone-bedroom apartments.
(05:56):
She was an alcoholic from themoment she had us.
She claims she didn't drinkwhen she had us in her stomach,
so bless her for that part.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, you guys are killing it as individuals, yeah,
but our dad has come forwardand said that our mom did drugs,
our mom did this, and I don'tknow how you guys are still like
fully functioning.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, I'm like it's alive if she did because you
guys are fully functioning forsure.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah and so.
But she got custody of us,which is also kind of a gray
topic because our dad claims onething happened.
Our dad claims that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Man, let's call Spade Spade.
He just didn't want to take thefull responsibility.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
He wasn't ready.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Let the mom take the kids Fair, while he still was
living his life in his 20s.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And do they communicate today?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, no one communicates with our mother.
I haven't, we haven't talked toher.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, like she reaches out to you like over the
last couple years, like youtalked to her from she's text.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I haven't seen her.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Got it in 20 years is she still in sacktown or?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
we believe, so like we like.
There's no address, you knowshe doesn't she's.
It's been a very I mean I'vegotten calls saying I'm living
in a tent, yeah, on the streetsof sacramento like I need money,
yeah that's why, when he saysshe reaches out, it's for money
okay, got it yeah money or it'slike a collect call.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
She just got arrested , yeah, um, and so it's like
every two years we'll startgetting blown up and she needs
money or something, but um.
But anyways, back just to tocatch us up to today.
Yeah, she ended up just gettingarrested over and over, um,
which ended up at one point thecourt saying you are not fit to
(07:38):
raise these kids and put us in agroup home I mean you.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you're talking about meat and potatoes, you
forgot mike yeah, okay, so who'smike now?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
mike is our stepdad, okay so so what happened?
Trigger yeah, so what happenedwas our mom remarried, um, and
she ended up marrying a drug,like like a really big drug
dealer in sacramento, like hewas really big.
He ended up getting set up andSWAT team like like straight out
of straight out of a Netflixdocumentary, sure team
(08:08):
helicopters just to raid him.
He had, uh, a trunk full of Ithink it was cocaine.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I don't know.
I think it was blow got whatyou need and he had just bricks,
I guess.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Whatever it was, and and he was, he was looking at
like 15 to 20 to life, just forfor the intent to sell.
So he got locked up, he wentdown, he was the sole provider.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
My mom wasn't even working, she's we all lived in
the house, like now, this, hewas our, he was kind of like our
father figure.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, absolutely um, for a minute, for at least three
, four or five years, and thenhe got locked up, yep yep, and
it's when he got locked up, thatkind of the court stepped in
and was like, ok, now who arethese kids going to be with?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And it was straight up.
Social services while we werein school came at the doors like
Ron and Brandon.
Come with us, like you know,like we're taking you guys and
how old were you?
Yeah, great.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, so that's like that's old enough to know that's
you know what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, we knew.
Whenever someone came out thedoor, Like in school, you know
you're in a class like 20, 30.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You knew what was going on.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
There was a 50-50 chance for Ron and I for
something Dang.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
She raised you guys at Salon or they raised you guys
to like kind of like a pivotalpoint.
Yeah Ten, yeah Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, you developed a portion of your frontal lobe
and some of your identity.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, yeah, and up until that point we had already,
like, experienced so much and Igenuinely believe our brain
blocked out so much of it Likehalf, more than half of my
childhood.
I just I can't even tell youit's hard to reference Because
like brain, I think it's it'sall trauma, yeah.
And so I do remember likehighlights of just crazy, like
(09:49):
parent teacher conferences,Right, and our mom would show up
drunk and come and end upfighting with the teachers.
The teachers call the cops andlike we're sitting there like
embarrassed, yeah.
And and then there's othermemories that I have of her
getting drunk and it's just usthree and she runs at us with
the knife because she's blackedout yeah, she doesn't even know
(10:11):
and I'm talking like naked nakeda knife spitting on us and it's
raining outside and the onlything we can do is we run
outside.
She'll lock us out of the houseand say you guys are never, you
know, just she's blacked out andwe will be outside for the rest
of the night and we sleepoutside and it's raining, or
I've had to, like a couple timesI like would break in.
One time I had a this exactsituation.
(10:32):
That's happened several times.
Yeah, but I had to break thewindow just because it was
raining so hard, just to unlockthe door to let us in and I
sliced my hand open and I justhim and I just in the in the
kitchen, like I just wrap it uppaper, towel, tape and it's just
like, all right, let's go tobed.
And then we wake up in themorning.
She wakes up and she's likewhat happened?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
yeah, wow, house will be thrashed like what happened.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah well, I think the other part to all of this,
too, is like, as you guys give alittle bit of insight here for
our audience, the the partthat's so amazing to me about
both of you is you don't leadwith this.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh yeah, We've never talked about this in this depth.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and to know that you don't lead with it.
You clearly are working onthose traumatic experiences,
right yeah, and working throughthat.
I mean for me, I know, as a manit's hard to be vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And that's something that I respect about you guys.
You guys are very vulnerable,but you also aren't stupid.
You don't lead with this, youdon't open with this, you don't
build trauma bond connectionswith people for it.
Yeah, and that's something thatI definitely respect about you
guys.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's actually the opposite is what we try to build
and bond.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, is what I would definitely make the argument
for.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
But there's some people that probably don't even
know this.
No, no yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There's probably people that we've met in Austin
that have no clue that we'vealready with.
That is like we probably said Iloved you, yeah, and they have
not even the slightest idea.
That's completely OK, you knoweveryone.
What I've also learned iseveryone has a story.
Absolutely Everyone hassomething they've gone through,
right their own trauma Right.
They've all gone through theirown journey, so that's important
(12:04):
too.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I respect you guys for that.
That's awesome.
That's how.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I always feel I'm like everyone's journey is so
different.
It's not that anyonenecessarily had it harder or
worse.
It's just so different and weall go through our own
experiences and I feel like youguys were very blessed to have a
twin.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh my, To be right there with you.
You nailed that on the head.
You guys are probably eachother's.
You know how you hear, I'm mybrother's keeper right.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You guys are each other's angels.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It's so.
I mean that is a blessing thatwe'll never be able to fully
even explain to someone, because, like to have a partner to
always, we always had each other, so it didn't matter what the
night was like, what the lifewas throwing at us, like we
always had each other.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
That is, I mean, that's really what got us
through everything and do youfeel like, because I know you
came to Austin first too.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, that was a crazy time too, Big leap of
faith.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was that hard when you left your brother?
Yeah, and then do you thinkthat you motivated your brother
to join Austin after you'd kindof settled in a little bit,
because I'm sure you visited aswell while he was?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
here.
I visited for your bachelorparty.
I threw here.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, so obviously he said my bachelor party, so
there's a crazy story to that aswell.
But the stars that aligned toallow me to be in a place to
relocate to Austin by myself.
He was obviously the mainreason to do that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But there's a lot of us that aren't from here.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I feel like it's almost further back than that,
because I'm just so fascinatedlooking where you guys are at
today.
So you grew up, you left yourmom's home, you went to a group
home.
You're 10 years old in a grouphome.
I have no idea what that's like.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know, when you say group home, I'm like what
does that mean?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's like what maybe you've seen in the movies, where
our group home was a temporaryone.
It wasn't a foster home whereyou're actually potentially
living permanently under afamily.
Living permanently under afamily, it's more like an
establishment in which you'rewaiting until the court or your
parents or someone decideswhat's going to happen next.
So we were.
I mean, it was literally almostlike a camp.
(14:15):
Like not in a bad way camp butlike a YMCA camp.
There's like 100 kids ofdifferent ages and they're in
different like building sectionsand one playground for everyone
.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And and it was and how long do you wait, like, or
how long, what's the maximumamount of time you can wait
there and how long were y'allthere, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
So I think I think a lot of group homes don't?
It's kind of like um uh, dogpounds.
Okay, got it, got it you knowhow some, some dogs will get
adopted and they're only theretwo nights, Sure.
Others won't, and I don't thinkit's the same in every group
home For sure.
But that's kind of how I lookat it is.
(14:53):
It's this middle ground betweenkids without guardians or
parents and then foster care,basically.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And it's like where do you put the kids that don't
have anyone claiming them?
You put them in a group home.
And then from the group home.
It's like, all right, let's seethe different paths these
different kids have.
So it's either foster care anddo they choose that path or you
choose the path.
As a kid.
You don't choose that path.
You don't have any say Got it.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You don't have any say Until a certain age.
And on that note, which issomething not that we left out
on purpose, but during thiswhole transition of us going to
a group home and growing up, ourmom and our stepdad Mike had a
kid.
Jeez, our half-brother, oh wow,and he was two when we were ten
.
So he went into the group homeat two years old.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And he stayed there until he was eight.
What in in the system we callit?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
and is he a part of your life today?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
yes, but not not.
So he just got out of jail okayhe's 26.
Yeah, I, I speak to him now.
I'm trying to help him for sure, in any way I can't get on
track.
He's stuck in sack because ofprobation absolutely so we
cannot leave.
But let's just say, I mean, hejust graduated in high school.
Because he was in jail and theyhave a program you get your ged
(16:11):
for sure.
Up until that point, which waslast year, he never graduated
high school and he's, he hasmultiple felonies, yeah you know
, and so it's been a very toughgo for him.
He's on drugs, he's definitelyhe's admits it, but he also is
he's very smart and he wants todo good, and so I'm really
hoping that this time aroundwe're able to get him into a
good place, because often whathappens is we support, give,
(16:35):
money, provide, and then peoplecan go ghost and they can
collect, call for sure, and thathappens.
It's a repeat.
Yeah, it's all about yourenvironment, though that's it.
And so his environment has neverchanged in 15 years and the
exact same even now so he was inthere from two to eight to
eight and when you guys got outof prison and then our mom and
(16:56):
him were able to get him backand you guys were in there from
10 to 10, okay, we were in thereless than six months got it we
because our, which is stillcrazy, right, like so, and and
this is, I truly believe, themain reason why we're here today
and like not, where our littlebrother is for sure not in
(17:17):
prison, dead on drugs, on thison the streets.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It's because our aunt , with the support of her
parents, our grandparents andthis is on my dad's side, yeah,
our dad is half Japanese- Okay.
So our dad's mom.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's where y'all get all this perfect hair.
Yeah, something like that.
The DJ Khaled beards.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
So our aunt was the one who made the decision.
She was 21.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
And she made the decision to, was she 18?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
or 21?
I thought she was 21.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Wow, well then.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Might've been 18.
But long story short is they,she can't.
She was living in the Bay areauh, a city called San Mateo,
okay, and that's where Tom Bradyfrom Barry Barnes, for sure.
And uh, a city called San Mateo, okay, and that's where Tom
Brady from Barry Barnes andessentially drove up.
She was in our lives as much asshe could prior come see us.
I mean, she was young.
She was young, but she was ourfun on and she loved us and she
had such a big heart.
Drove down and basically saidI'm getting them and taking
(18:16):
custody Love and took us out ofthe group to San Mateo to live
with her and her mom and dad aregrandparents and she raised us,
so from 10 until 10 on.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Until she had us graduate and both go to college.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What an amazing woman though.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
She is a savior, do you?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
guys just feel like you kind of grew up with her.
At the same time, though,because she was so young.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yes, but she was so mature, exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I look at her as more of a mother Now that we're
older, though we're 34.
She is 44, because she's 10years older than us, that's
crazy Now it feels like as we'regetting older, age gap gets
smaller.
40 and 50 now is like eh, 30and 40.
(19:07):
So we looked at her as a motherfor so long and now it's like
it feels super cool andinteresting in the same time
that we're just feeling closer,more able to bond.
But one of my main motivationsis to repay her and our
grandparents to show them that,if it wasn't for you, every
(19:29):
dollar that I have today Istrongly believe I wouldn't have
if it wasn't for them.
Right, like that is just fact.
And so it's like what can I doto give back?
And and that's what I'mconstantly driven by is like,
how can I take care of her andthem?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
which is like and I think it's beautiful, though I
feel like you guys function fromlike a place of gratitude, just
listening for sure.
You're saying for sure likeeven about your younger brother
and your aunt.
Like it just seems like youguys are so grateful for where
you're at and like still tryingto take care of those people
that are important to you inyour life.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So yeah that's really admirable and really cool and
it leads me to your youngerbrother was the product of his
environment exactly so exactlywho was y'all's kind of like
guardrail or other than youraunt, your guardrail, your your
version of like man that youreally look at for guidance or I
(20:22):
will probably or role modellike yeah, I mean I'm trying to
say it without saying role model, because there's I'm sure you
guys probably had some trustissues as well to like even look
at any sort of guy and be likeyeah, our grandfather was was a
sturdy hand.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, uh, he was very strict.
He was in the vietnam war.
Yeah, he's uh filipino.
He's he's uh born and raisedhawaii, very, very cultured in
that way.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So he was always a good person.
Make your bed.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, get up at 5 am you know like he would come in
with the pan like revelé, reveléyeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And like get us up and there was certain things
that, looking back, Can y'allspeak another language as well?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Okay, but then also I pay a tribute to our basketball
coach, brett Stevenson fromhigh school Sports was our
biggest outlet throughout highschool.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So you all could ball .
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh yeah, I mean used to.
I haven't touched it.
Now we're talking about balling.
It's supposed to be on the golfcourse.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm over here like I got a men's league.
Don't play with Roger, becausesometimes he'll come in here.
He's like Cass, like I'mhurting today I'm still gimping.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Y'all didn't see me come up these stairs.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, that's what I feel.
Yeah, I mean that was.
Yeah, I didn't.
I mean that's a whole nother,that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
But fourth is what really drove us to like, get
through high school.
That was like yeah, so yeah, tohis point, our coaches did play
a big role.
And then our dad came back intoour life In high school.
In high school, like towardsthe tail end of high school Was
he healthy at that point.
Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean, hestill, yes, he was healthy.
(22:02):
Still, yes, he was healthy.
I think it was more of a mentallike confidence like you know,
just not contribution.
Yeah, like sure you know.
I could only imagine, as as ayoung dad, not being the person
capable like if your sister hasto step in and raise your two
kids your younger sister youryounger sister.
(22:23):
Um, I'm sure you know thathurts a man's pride and so, like
he had a lot of things that hehad to overcome and he's come
such a long way, he lives herein austin now yeah, oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So we convinced him to move out here.
He's such an amazing thriving.
Now he's thriving and we.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
He's helped us get through so much like our
relationship has been better inthe last three years that we've
all been here and it ever has,so it's it's cool that's come
full circle.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
The last thing I'll say is the role model question.
A rep of mine asked and saidyou know, like, where'd you get
your mindset and stuff like that?
Um?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I mean, you guys are very mentally strong as well.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Thank you and and and I was.
It took me a while to answerthat because there wasn't one,
but I think when I reflectedwith ron and I I feel like ron's
a little softer now, but likey'all, y'all.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's how I met you guys.
Like I I mean meeting you guysI could.
You could feel another guyaround you and their energy and
be like you mentally got itgoing on right, like you know,
if somebody's tuned in, yeah,energetically right and, and I
knew that.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So that's, that's what I was going to say.
You said gratitude, law ofattraction yeah, all of that is
real.
And back to my point of rolemodel is the Internet.
Yeah, youtube videos, musicyeah, back in the day before,
youtube, like all of that was anoutlet for us.
Whether we can even remember itor not know how important it
(23:45):
was, yeah, for us to get wherewe are.
I mean watching videos ofcertain people, yeah, and like
motivational speakers from yearsago.
It's just you program.
You could program your brain.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, let's reprogram it too let's lean into that
right, because california, Ifeel like, gets a lot of credit
for the YouTube come up right,yeah, and gets a lot of credit
for the exposure of kind of likeinfluencers at a young age.
Honestly, yeah, what motivatedyou guys to do like the
identical reaction channel?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Because it's like oh yeah, and can you guys explain
what that is?
To people who don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll say what it is is,first and foremost, we knew we
always wanted to do somethingtogether.
Yeah, Since we were young, wealways had that ambition and we
knew it was always there.
Yeah, and, as the world wouldhave it, I think COVID was
actually probably a light on usto say, hey, let's try something
(24:42):
.
Yeah, and it did start as apodcast called Identical
Disagreements, which we weretalking about before we recorded
which, at the time, it was justour voices, as a podcast
typically is and we realizedwe're identical twins.
People need to see us 100%.
They need to see our passionagainst each other.
Yeah, and y'all bicker.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
We do.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I also need to give credit to Juan, as he is the
mastermind behind all the theYouTube and marketing.
He did a couple of channelsprior to us doing something.
He's he's been the entrepreneurbetween us two.
I've been on a more of a umcorporate ladder approach, but
we always I, I'm, I'm alwaysabout multiple streams of income
(25:27):
side hustle doing those typesof things, and so I knew when,
when we decided to do it butwanted to give him a shout out
there.
Okay, ron.
I don't know if I do it enoughbecause he really is really
brilliant with stuff like that.
But then we switched to YouTubeand we decided in COVID I still
live in San Diego, literally wejust had our iPhones and then I
got like a $20 mic he probablyhad nicer stuff, sure, iphones.
(25:49):
And then we I got like a 20 miche, he probably had nicer stuff
, sure and I just like would pinthe phone and and we'd go one
on face time, one, two, three,and we both hit record at the
same time and just recordourselves and it was really
janky, yeah.
But um, that's how we kind ofstarted identical reactions,
okay.
And then, if you want to talkabout how it kind of blew up, I
think I don't want to just takeall the credit of speaking, yeah
(26:10):
.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Or what, yeah, you have questions.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Okay, so you guys both went to college, which I'm
so impressed by, right.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, you're saying so.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
were you guys like, when you started doing the
content creation, did you have acareer on that?
Like, were you guys doing thison the side?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, yeah.
So we both went to college.
I went to, so he went to SanDiego State.
Yeah, contacts right out ofhigh school.
I didn't get into any of thecolleges that I wanted to, so I
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made the decision to actuallymove out to San Diego, where he
was, and go to junior collegeout there.
And I was like, oh, I'll juststay out there with you, yeah,
and then I'll just transfer tosdsu.
Uh, I just, I didn't focus onmy grades as much as I should
have.
I didn't end up getting intosdsu after, uh, two years going
to junior college.
So I end up going to sacramentostate, got it.
So I actually went that.
That was actually the like abig first time.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
We that's the first time you guys were apart.
Yeah, yeah, okay yeah, um.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
But I was like, oh, it's cool, I'll go to sac state
for a year and I'll justtransfer, I'll get my grades up
and I'll transfer, yeah and.
But I ended up, um, I had agirl out there.
I ended up meeting some of mylifelong best friends.
So, anyways, that is what ourcollege situation was.
I graduate college, then Imoved.
He was still in san diego.
He never left san diego.
He went there and he was likeSan Diego is the best city in
(27:31):
the world.
He stayed there.
It's still, I mean money aside.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think you know it's a great, it's a great spot.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
And he had a very serious relationship which we
can dive into if we want.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Is that the marriage?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I have my high school sweetheart I was yeah, okay.
Yeah, we split when I was 29,so about five years ago.
Wow, they went to collegetogether.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
We went to high school college, yeah, crazy,
bought a house but so no kids hewas, he was like in his own
bubble.
His life was already figuredout there in san diego, um, but
I graduate college and I'm likedamn, I want to go back, like
for whatever reason, for sure uh, and it was actually at that
time that I started thinkingabout content and I was like man
, if we went to the same city.
This is back when, like I juststarted watching, like vine,
(28:19):
logan paul yeah and I startedlike twitch just became a thing
and I was watching this dudenamed nick merckx I don't
remember him, but we're the sameage, so it's like I'm so, yeah,
yeah, I, I was watching him incollege when he was getting 15
to 20 viewers a night.
Yeah, uh, today his, his networth is like 30 million.
(28:40):
He, he was the number one, uh,twitch streamer for like a
couple years.
He's like a massive dude.
Yeah, he gets like 30 000viewers, I think he's.
He might be on kick now, butanyways, um, all this stuff was
just motivating me.
I'm like there's nothing thatthese individuals possess that
brandon and I don't possess,like for sure.
Jake paul, logan paul, what,what can?
they do what and like in my head, I was always this super
(29:02):
confident and I always knew,like almost to a fault,
delusional amount of confidencein the sense of, like I would
tell people in college, man, I'mgonna retire when I'm 30, I
love it.
I mean, I'm 34 now, I'm not.
Yeah, well, some would argue,I'm retired because I do what I
love and I'm a youtuber, butanyway, oh yeah.
So, um, tying all that back in,we go out there, we get in the
(29:24):
corporate world yeah, so, andyou both went tech for the most
part, yeah.
Yeah, went tech right off thebat I got into recruiting and I
was at like a staffing agencyand, for those that don't know,
I basically was helping peoplefind jobs.
Yeah, and I was living in SanDiego.
He was in sales in tech in SanDiego and things are going well.
(29:46):
I end up getting a job atGoogle Wow, and things are going
well I end up getting a job atGoogle.
Wow.
And they told me when I gotthat job, to be in recruiting
they said you can either go tothe Bay Area headquarters or you
can go to Austin, texas.
I'd never even been to Texas.
I hear you and I'm living inSan Diego and I'm like man F it.
I'm like at the time I had nogirlfriends, no strings attached
(30:11):
.
I was like leap of faith, whynot, worst case, I hate Texas,
go back.
I'll move back to San Diego,I'll quit Google, I don't care,
I'll find another job.
Like I was like you know, justagain a lot of confidence.
And so I come out here, I'm onmy own, I'm super just like
grind mode motivated.
That grind mode motivated,that's when I started content
(30:32):
creation.
I was like I need to startdoing something on the side.
Yeah, or I'm I'm gonna likeregret it, and I just know I'm
like man, I'm destined for somuch more.
I need to like just have animpact.
You know, whatever it is, therewas this, this calling.
I know that sounds cliche, no,and corny, but I just knew like
there was something, somethinglike I I literally used to watch
and I still do, like I watchjustin bieber and I'm not I'm
(30:54):
I'm not even 100th as oftalented as a human being as he
is, but I remember thinking likeI, I feel like I can be in a
world like that and all thethings he's receiving I can
receive, and I was like, allright, I just got to start doing
something.
So I, I, yeah, I created acouple different youtube
channels a lot of differentchannels.
(31:15):
Um, I started I tried streaminglike I just was trying to find
my niche, and then I was likecovid hit and I was like brandon
, and this is he's grinding, sobut I was like let's do a
podcast, we'll do it after hours, um, after you get off of work,
after we get off of work, andI'll do everything.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And I remember you were like changing jobs too.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, when I moved out here, I ended up then
switching jobs, which is hard tobalance it to right.
I'm just like, so in awe,because the fact that you guys
like, even, just like shiftedyour mindset this much from your
upbringing, this much from yourupbringing, just even the fact
someone could be like wow,you're so successful just by
having like your tech jobs andworking for Google, and both
(31:56):
being successful in tech andthen you guys were like you know
what, like we believe inourselves, we're gonna take it
even one step further, like holyshit yeah, you know what it
also I think is you guys maybehave a little bit of insights,
but maybe viewers don't knowthey're like OK, like these guys
are talking their stories andthey, ok, they're successful.
What do you mean?
What have they actually done?
So I don't think we've talkedabout some of the actual cool
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milestones you know from aYouTube and just career
standpoint that we've been ableto hit, because I know, as far
as like timing goes andeverything but um, I don't, you
know what, before you even go on.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
It's weird is I don't even like talking about it too
much, because it's like theseare still in my mind, stepping
stone yeah and it's like you'llhave us back in three years I
know yeah and it's like, I'llhave, you know, the the million
subscriber plaque.
I'll have this business.
That is massive.
I'll.
I you know, lambo.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Uris.
Well, I'll give y'all acompliment to say something that
I think a lot of people forget.
It's like, yeah, you may dreamabout the intended life that you
want.
You may have that feeling of,oh, I can be or I will be, and I
think everybody forgets there'san established date.
You look at a business and theysay established in 2020,
established in 2014, establishedin 1990 1900.
(33:16):
You guys deserve credit for theidea that you established
something and you took that leapof faith and you tried.
And not only have you tried,you both are doing a hell of a
damn good job at it throughoutthat process.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I think people don't even realize how hard it is to
do content creation and howfucking consistent you have to
be, because just him and Itrying to do this podcast is
like a side hustle.
I'm like this is a lot offucking work, it is.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, with YouTube, not only that is you do the same
, you have to get on the sameschedule, create the content.
But then for the first likeyear and a half, Ron was
manually chopping and screwingand creating videos, editing,
himself, taking.
So we would spend like fourhours, five hours, of recording
a week while working full time.
(34:03):
So for me I would have to driveto his house on like Thursdays
and I'd be there from 7 pm tolike 11 pm and I've worked the
next day and that's justrecording I get back over on
sunday to the recording and thenhe would have to edit two,
three hours each day after that.
Yeah, uh, and then we got to apoint where we can hire a team
in in the philippines anddifferent parts for sure help us
(34:25):
create all that, but it's hard.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It's a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was,it was it's.
It's that.
It's the story that you hear.
Most successful people like youhave to be willing.
You have to do what otherswon't so you can live how others
can't.
And the thing that that I waswilling to do is like I'd get
off of work, I'd hopefully hitthe gym, but I'd go home and I
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I'd be up till midnight mostnights.
I mean there was literal.
There were nights like I'd beup till midnight most nights.
I mean there was literal.
There were nights like it'd beFriday night and Brandon would
be going out, my girl would begoing out, they'd all be going
out, and I'd be like I gottaedit.
So I'll be editing till one andshe comes back.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I actually remember a night where that happened
Really.
You came to the pregame andwent home to go.
Edit.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh, dude yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm pregame and went home to go edit.
Oh, dude, yeah, I'm surprised Iwent to the pregame because
because you dropped your girloff, oh, that's why, okay, you
dropped her off you popped insay what up?
Yeah, you were like yourbrother's leaving and I'm like
where's he going?
Yeah, because at the time I hadreally I knew you first, even
though you came to austin later,right, and I'm like am I seeing
double?
Or am I that drunk at thisparty right now that I just saw?
I'm like I talked to you hereand I just saw somebody walk in
and out of that look just likeyou, and then that was when I
(35:36):
got introduced to the idea thatyou guys were twins.
So I mean, again, I rememberthe moment where you left the
pregame to go home and edit,yeah.
So it's just it's really wildto hear a little bit more of
this background to all of it.
It's just it's really wild tohear a little bit more of this
background to all of it, becausenot only does it make sense,
but it answers some of thequestions where I was confused
for a little bit.
I was definitely confused.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, it makes sense.
I feel like the YouTubealgorithm too, from what I've
heard, is just like a fuckingmonster, like when you're
putting out content, the peopleyou're competing with, like Mr
Beast, or like JoJo, what's hername.
There's just so many peoplethat you're competing with and I
think that algorithm is like awhole nother animal.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And I want to ask y'all as well.
It's like we all have tattoos,all of us but I think there's a
version as well where I knowsome of the people that I've
been associated with will makejudgments, because I've gotten
crazy into some of my tattoos,like I'm starting to go there
and I'm like I'm over 30.
They're like what the fuck areyou doing, right?
Do you guys feel like you'reever stereotyped with your
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tattoos or put in a box?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
He's in a good situation because he controls,
he's his own boss, he's afull-time YouTuber.
He could tattoo his whole face.
I mean he's tattooed neck down,yeah, and he probably feels
great about it because that's,that's the trade off and it's
part of one of the rewards of it, I will say, being in tech.
There are times where I sadlyhave to wear a button up when
(37:03):
it's 100 degrees, a hundredpercent, because I'm about I'm
going to go meet a CRO I'venever met before, or I'm going
to have lunch, you know, with,with, with someone, or whatever
it might be.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So even interviews man, it's even interviews.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
There's truth to it.
I think the, the society andthe industry has gotten a lot
better for sure.
And we're getting that wayCause I remember there was a few
times early on, one of Ron'sboss at Google was fully tatted
up and probably was a reason whyhe felt it was 100 was okay.
I mean, if you're at google,you know, and he's wearing a
t-shirt, v-neck and like tats,yeah, there's, there's a reason
(37:38):
and I think if you're good atwhat you do and it doesn't
matter what you look like.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right, right, genuinely.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
But there's still, there's two sides to it always.
But yeah, unfortunately peoplestill judge by what they see
yeah and and, and maybe it'swhen you deal with older
generations or even younger,whatever it might be yeah
there's still parts of that, umthat we, we just have to roll
with the punches and maneuverourselves through.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah well, I mean, tattoos are one thing,
right, like in corporate americabut like did you guys start
getting slack also for doing thecontent creation?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Oh, this is a funny topic because so many.
There were several times whereI remember, right after work
people would be like we're goingto happy hour and I'm like, oh,
I can't, I gotta go.
And people would be like, bro,you're wasting your time, like,
where do you?
I got to go.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
And people would be like, bro, you're wasting your
time when do you think this isgoing to go?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
What are you really going to do, ron?
You really think you can dothis?
And some of these conversationshave been just planted in my
head Like wow.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You don't forget those moments man.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
There's a sense of I don't want to say it's pity,
because it really is like fuelfor sure, but but those, those
doubters are like some of thereasons.
What kept me like going evenmore is just because I, I know,
just man post malone'scongratulations lyrics.
If you, you need to listen to ityeah and, on a deeper level,
(39:07):
for anyone who hasn't, becausepeople will doubt you and doubt
you and doubt you, and for someof us, you get there in six
months, other of us you get.
You get there in 10 years.
Like for you guys for thispodcast, what I'd say is like,
even if you're not getting theresults or rewards that you're
you were hoping for expecting,if you keep at it like,
eventually what's going tohappen is people are going to be
(39:28):
coming up telling youcongratulations, absolutely.
And the people that at one pointthought what you were doing was
are going to waste of timethey're going to tell people
they're going to be so pumped tobe like I, I know, I know and
I'm.
That's something that drives meas well, because I already know
there are people that talkabout me in little contexts, um,
like that, like they're,they're so proud or like, bro,
(39:51):
I've been, you know, I've beenrooting for you and it's like
all right, yeah, like you know,I, I know, I know I remember the
conversation when it wasn'tthat way.
Yeah exactly, and there'smichael b jordan.
I don't it had this viralinterview yeah, with a bully
with a bully a lady who used tomake fun of him in high school
he called her out a nerd, yeah,and he was like oh and she?
(40:11):
She's like I'm here withmichael b jordan.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
He's like yeah, yeah, the nerd right, that nerd right
, yeah, it's like and she's likeno, I never said that.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
And he's like yeah, okay and like to me yeah that
like he, he that represents alot, and so like for you and for
anyone listening.
Yeah, man, that everything thatI was talking about, about when
I look at like a logan paul, ajake paul, I know you know,
think what you want about them.
That's not the point.
The point is what I I'm notsuper special and anyone that's
(40:41):
listening to this I'm from thebottom of my heart have
something they can offer forsure but the the reason why most
people won't get to that levelof success is because a they
never start, because they're tooworried about other people's
opinions.
That established date man andthen, once they start, they quit
when they quit because theydon't see results, and that's it
(41:01):
.
And and the thing is, no onecan give you a timeline for when
you're going to get the results.
But all I'm telling anyonelistening is like, whatever it
is you think you can't do likeyou can, there's nothing special
, if anything like yeah, theodds were against both of us A
hundred percent yeah.
You know, and it was just Istarted, I was consistent, I was
(41:22):
dedicated and you push through.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
And I think you hear that too.
It's like there's so much inyour story where you watch the
ping pong ball go back and forthbetween you two.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Where it's like you were established in San Diego
and you kind of came along forthe ride, and then you were
established in Austin, you kindof came along for the ride, and
I think there's something elseto that as well.
It's like you don't forget thatversion of connection that you
guys have.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Not only is it from a level of like DNA, but you guys
really do trust each other.
You know how many familymembers are DNA connected and
don't trust or love each otherthe way in which y'all do?
Yeah, yeah, and I think that'svery special, but I also feel
like that could lead to someproblems as well.
Right, like what would you sayis maybe like one of the biggest
misconceptions about either ofyou.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think the biggest from both of us is without
hearing the story.
Yeah, uh, they, they'll see usdriving a nice car or that we
can speak.
Very well, if you go out todinner and you say I am just
being introduced to you guys forthe very first time and we have
a great dinner and we leave,yeah, never in a million years,
(42:30):
you know, would you guys thinkor know that we have had such a
adverse background and be like,oh, these great, well-spoken,
yeah, redheads you guys don'tleave with them they probably
had such a good upbringing.
Their family must, you know, besuper involved in their lives,
uh, and so I think that's a hugemisconception.
Uh, for sure, um, that's,that's, I would say, is the
(42:52):
biggest.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I don't know if there's anything else that comes
to mind no, I mean I, I, wehave the same answer yeah, a lot
of to a lot of questions, andand that's one where I say the
same, like most people wouldassume- I think.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
another one, as I just thinking, is you guys are
overly optimistic or you're toopositive.
Yeah, I got that my whole life,bro.
I get this my whole life.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, All the time People are like are you?
What are you on?
I'm like me, I'm on me.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
You're too.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I'm just, I'm that positive yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, what is such thing as toxic positivity?
Speaker 4 (43:32):
No, but to be honest, I think there's such thing as
toxic anything at an excessiveamount.
Absolutely it doesn't matter.
Give me one thing, and if youare too much of it, it's a bad
thing For sure.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Generous, yeah, yeah, false positivity Meaning you're
saying it, it, but everyoneknows you don't mean it, you
don't believe it there you gofake yeah that is, in a way,
what I refer to when it's likethe toxic positivity yeah, you
know what I'm saying yeah whenyou're genuine, you believe and
you feel it.
Yeah, that's that's.
I think that's a different.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
That's a different it's a whole different world to
exist in.
Yeah, and I guess that alsoleads to a version of like how
do you guys stand up againstmaybe versions of cancel culture
, right, because I think oncepeople hear your story, they
then want to discredit you.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Once people learn about you and then see your
success where you are presentday, they then want to doubt you
or say you know what?
There has to be something there, Like they want to try to
figure you out.
Well, say you know what therehas to be something there, Like
they want to try to figure youout.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Well, what I think is so interesting, too, about
cancel culture is, I feel like,as a creator, you have to be
authentic, because that's how Ifeel like people resonate with
you.
So if you're being authenticyourself and you say something
that offends people and it'sgoing to like.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I just don't know how you guys deal with it.
There's two things Ron probablyhas a whole lot more, but I'll
quickly say one is you establishyour own mindset with cancel
culture and you realize Irealized early on we had a
couple of videos that gotmillions of views.
Right, when you get millions ofviews, you get thousands of
comments.
And if you early on I'm likedude, we just went from 300
subscribers to 50,000.
(45:09):
Yeah, and I start, I'm bored.
I read comments all day and youcould get hit left and right
with negative comments,absolutely, and it starts to get
to you and then you realizeafter a certain point that you
can never please anyone.
There's always keyboard rangers.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
And once you have that as a mindset, that's one
way.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
And then crap, I forgot what I was going to say
for the other one.
Yeah, forgot, go ahead, ron.
No, but I always.
What's funny is, personally I'mnot super religious, but I use
this as an example because Ithink it speaks volumes to
anyone creating content If JesusChrist was alive and created a
YouTube channel people would bein the comments, capping on his
hair and his outfit.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
All day yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
So like if you understand that it doesn't
matter if you are the most.
All you want is good for theworld.
There's gonna be haters.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
There's gonna be people ripping you.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I remember what I was gonna say.
The second thing is there's noreal such thing as bad publicity
.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
No way.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
So, granted, depending on what you say, like
if mean there's there's hatefuland wrong things to say that I
don't support and I, I won't sayyeah.
But if there's something whereit's like it's debatable and
people are trying to cancel youfor it, but then it spikes your
relevancy and yeah, online orwherever, then at the end of the
day, you know, a lot of peoplehave made a really good living
(46:25):
from those types of situations.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I mean, you brought up the Paul brothers, right,
right, exactly.
There's versions of that.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I mean you could go, Brian Garci, Kanye West, Andrew.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Tate.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I actually like him.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
They said really there's a lot of people that
like him too.
Not as much as that.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I think he you know there's a lot of women that
don't yeah.
That's cool, I would love tohave a conversation of your
thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
There's something there too, where it's like you
talk about.
There's no bad PR.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
There's something there to say, where it's like
there's no one successful in thecomments.
Yeah, there's no successfulperson in the comments.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
You will never be getting hate from someone that's
more successful than you in thecomments.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
And there's also no healthy person trying to
dismantle somebody else.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
It just makes them look so bad.
Absolutely, julia Fox, she'slike an influencer.
She said she just leaves thosecomments there.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
So they look crazy Because they live with it.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Like you said something stupid.
It's going to sit there andyou're going to live with it.
Do you listen something stupid?
It's gonna sit there and you'regonna live with it.
So do you?
You listen to gary v a hundredpercent because yeah that's I, I
.
What you said is exactly what hesaid, and really I say this all
the time.
Um, which is like no one who ishappy, yeah is in the comments,
leaving negative comments atall, like, if anything, you
should feel bad for that personbecause what kind of person is
(47:52):
on the on their phone or orlaptop?
And you got to think about it,watching someone else's content,
taking the time to typesomething hurtful like what kind
of what is that person goingthrough to want to do that?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
and when you think about it that way, it's like
yeah and sometimes it's shockingtoo when you you may be able to
understand that on a computerbut, sometimes people forget it
when it's verbal as well, right,Like if somebody verbally has
to go to that great extreme totry to dismantle somebody else,
what's wrong with you, Likethat's a problem.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
A lot of people yeah, a lot of people have that
problem.
Oh yeah, oh yeah A lot ofpeople have that problem.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean, yeah,like I said, everyone's dealing
with stuff too, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I love that you brought up Gary Vee, though, too
, because he was in.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
He was just actually here.
He was just here and at theother Pouch Six studio.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, but it's crazy, just even like the podcasting
scene in Austin.
Who's like coming around thestudios because I know you guys
said you had a lot of peoplethat like influenced you to
create and like inspiration,role models and a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, that's one of mine.
We have the same birthday,november 14.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
What sign is that?
Scorpio?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
there you go.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
I've hit him up a couple times on LinkedIn and
stuff.
I'm like we need to launch abusiness, something.
November 14th.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
My buddy got a job from Gary Vee by just going to
his live stream every single day.
That's incredible, he wouldliterally comment and this guy?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
like that is.
Gary Vee's motto is like theconsistency and just keep
putting it up.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Being there, showing up Bro, every day, that's's
crazy, that's what I say to himall the time, though it's like
if you think about how fast timegoes by, it goes by like this
yeah so if you're consistent,time's gonna go by, and you've
been consistent it left you inthe past where you want, to be
exactly so exactly.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
I say that all the time, especially with content,
man like man.
There's one caveat, which isyou're putting in at least
enough effort to make smallimprovements.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
You know, mr Beast always says each video should
improve by one percent in oneaspect, whether it's a thumbnail
, the intro, the edit, the music, whatever.
But I strongly strongly believe, and I'm actually coaching
people.
One of the things, one of thebusinesses that I started, was
I'm coaching people to do what Ido, which is I react.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Man I might reach out to you.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Because it's.
It's one of those things whereit is such a like a low entry
yeah to get started, all youneed is a cell phone and a
laptop.
Love it, um.
But it's about consistency.
If you, if you upload every day, yeah right, even if your first
few videos get one view, twoand you're only gaining two
subscribers a week, yeah youmight look at that like damn,
(50:39):
this is a failure, but that'sgonna compound yeah and if you
never give up in 10 years, likethat compound interest is crazy
and then and a week you mightlook at that like damn, this is
a failure, but that's going tocompound.
And if you never give up in 10years, like that compound
interest is crazy.
And then and then you knowpeople will look and be like, oh
, this person has a couple ofhundred, oh, a couple thousand
also, cause then when they see abigger number they're more
likely and it'll just build.
So it's inevitable that youwill grow.
The only way you don't grow isif you stop or if you don't put
(51:00):
in effort and you're just doingthe same thing over and over,
expecting different results.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Oh, that's the definition of insanity, that is
so cool.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
I'm like we need to call you because we're on
YouTube.
We need a coaching session.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
We've cracked a little bit of a code with it to
some extent, and what's greatabout YouTube is like we still
get a check from a video we didyears ago Absolutely.
Like it doesn't go away.
Yep so if someone finds you.
You know how you guys have alldone a rabbit hole you're going
to the bathroom, or you, you'rejust chilling, you're waiting
(51:35):
and you're on shorts, or you're.
You're seeing a bunch of videosand they're recommend and
you're going down rabbit holes.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I'm a New Yorker and I say this for the reason of my
rabbit hole.
It's like I went down a rabbithole one time about your guys'
content with Michael Rappaport.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I'm looking through his stuff.
I'm like I fucking know theseguys.
That's funny.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, to your point, youtube is.
For anyone thinking aboutcreating content, content,
youtube is by far the bestplatform because it's the second
biggest search engine in theworld yeah, so what that means.
You make a content that goesviral on TikTok, on Instagram,
on any platform you name it.
(52:14):
Yeah, six months from now.
How is someone going to findthat?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
oh, that's fair on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
people search for things.
They're always going to haveaccess to videos.
People are always going to besearching for videos.
Your content is alwaysaccessible.
People aren't scrolling on andwatching old, old, old content,
and it's also not something thatsomeone can search for on these
other platforms.
Will that change?
Probably, but YouTube by far isthe number one platform I'd
(52:42):
recommend to anyone.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I mean, you guys have a lot to offer.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I know I'm like we have to close out, but I'm like
I don't really want to.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, you guys have a lot to offer.
There's multiple ways.
No, for sure.
It's like there's multiple waysin which you guys can be
utilized for anybody.
Where can they reach out to you?
Where can they find you?
I think it's important for theaudience to walk away and know
that there's ways that they canaccess you for sure.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, so for me personally, my Instagram is just
at Ron J-A-X-N, so at RonJackson.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
It's like a porn star name Ron Jackson.
I'm Brandon Jackson.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I'm Brandon Jackson.
My Instagram is Mr B Jackson.
I'm Brandon Jackson.
I'm Brandon Osborne Jackson.
My Instagram is MrBJacks.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
And it's just J-A-C-K-S.
So, MrBJacks, I mean we shouldbe tagged in the chat.
Yeah, we'll definitely tag youguys, but as far as the actual
content and stuff, I mean, wehave identical reactions.
You can check the YouTube out.
We haven't posted on that in awhile, but I it's, it's living
and it's well, guys, spark itback up.
Man, yeah, like you guys, we dohave plans to do something with
(53:48):
this, so stay tuned there yeah,we can't.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
We can't let that fizzle out.
I mean, that's I know we put alot into it but we learned a lot
and um, but I'm I'm uploadingcontent every day on um a
channel with my wife actuallycalled rice and ginger that's
awesome anime based.
So if you're into anime, checkout rice and ginger, let's go um
.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
We just saw someone I think he worked here with uh,
an anime shirt yeah, really Ishouted yeah, I was like dope
shirt man?
Speaker 4 (54:14):
um, we need to find out who that is but this is I'm
really passionate aboutmotivating people to get started
with this stuff because I likecontent.
Creation is not only is it thebest job you can have in the
world, but it's the it's goingto be the most powerful as time
(54:34):
goes on.
When you think about the impactMr Beast has, when you think
about I mean, I use this exampleall the time and I'm sorry if
if from a time perspective, no,we're close now.
Okay, you're good the super bowlis.
Is is known as like the numberone watched um event in us and
for on television, and itnormally averages around a
(54:57):
hundred million views I meanthey compare the women's draft
to super bowl numbers, right, soit's like it's kind of like the
common denominator ofcomparison for everything.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah, it's the bar.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
Yeah which is interesting because, okay, so
the, the, the um super bowl isgetting 100 million views on
average per every time.
It's right, okay, and becauseof that they're able to charge
businesses.
I think it's on average, $7million for 30 seconds for a
commercial.
Everyone knows the commercialis super expensive, but it's
because that is this one timeyou get all these eyes right.
(55:30):
That is how much the Super Bowlcan charge.
Someone like Mr Beast drops avideo almost once a week that
does 250 million views onaverage.
Wow so he's, he's doubling theviews that that the super bowl
does, which is super bowls oneday a year.
Mr piece is doing it weekly.
You know the trouble thatyoutubers are getting into right
(55:52):
now, not even trouble, but thedilemma is he's breaking the,
the.
He doesn't know how much tocharge, because how you charge
someone is based on views.
Yeah, and he gets too manyviews.
He's an anomaly man he gets toomany views, but what I'm saying
is that should put intoperspective the power and impact
YouTube and content creatorswill have, because it's just
(56:14):
going to get bigger and better.
Content creators are going torun the world.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
They have the most impact.
If the Rock wanted to run forpresident, if he wanted us.
If mr beast wanted to, he cansway who the president is.
If you want 100, if heliterally said yo, everyone, go
vote for blank there's a certain, there's a large happening.
Yeah, they said that abouttaylor swift too.
Taylor swift, oh, she's a lotof people with them.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
She's like they said that exact she kids can sway the
presidency.
Yes, crazy, it is crazy.
She's a boss.
There's a lot of people withthem.
She's a boss, like they said,that she can sway the presidency
it's crazy, it is crazy that'sa whole other, like the power of
superstars today could be oneof your guys topics.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
I would love that, that's good, I mean we're gonna
have to get you guys back toothere's so much.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
There's a lot more.
I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, I want to know about, like you know, your
marriages, your datingexperience oh yeah, that's true,
austin, yeah well many yearsnow I'm happily I think it's
only fair, though.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
We got twins, so you deserve two episodes yeah, let's
go, okay, sorry.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Sorry, ladies like no one's single.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
We got twins.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
They deserve two episodes, I know um, real quick,
sorry, and just to tie upeverything, content creation is
the way and I promise youeveryone, if you have a passion,
yeah, there you're creating anexcuse.
If you think, what you'repassionate about you can't make
money on yeah from a contentcreate creation perspective.
With that being said, and I'msorry, I'm super passionate
(57:35):
about this yeah, yes I'm liketrying to motivate and inspire
everyone that I know yeah to doand I know most people won't.
Most of my friends I pitch.
I'm like yo start a YouTube, dothis.
Most people won't I get it, butthose that do.
I promise you, if you stickwith it like you will end up
creating a life that you love,with freedom, more money than
(57:56):
you ever could imagine.
But, with that being said, I amfree, live q a's, love it,
where I just I'll answer yourquestions.
I I thought I would um, so I, Italk, I, I I post about it on my
instagram, okay, and then Ihave a discord, which I will
answer questions as well, butthen I it's literally like yo,
what, here's the google link,like join, if you want to join,
(58:17):
we're going to be.
And because of like, howpassionate I am and I just want
to give back, it's like I'vecreated this and it's like
what's the point if I can't thenshare it and impact others?
Yeah and so, anyway, yeah, itis, that's that's my big, big
mission is, you know, youtubeviews.
Creating a platform is amazing,but, like, what's the point if
(58:39):
you're not using that platformto have a positive impact?
Like, what's the point ifyou're not using that platform
to have a positive impact?
What's the point?
If you're not making someoneelse's life better, then you're
wasting your time.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Will Smith, will Smith, I'm so inspired.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
You're like the podcast, let's go do YouTube.
I'm gonna go home.
You guys?
Literally the fact that youguys are getting the content via
video and you guys are doing itall.
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