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Speaker 1 (00:00):
bring trauma.
(00:01):
I'm having conversation.
I'm like hey, how's yourfucking week?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And sometimes you're just talking through your
internal dialogue.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Did you know?
There's a study that just cameout and I think it was a Harvard
study.
It was, the more you go to talktherapy and talk about your
problems, the kind of worst itis.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, maybe you start overthinking it.
Yeah, you start overthinking itTotally.
It's, to a degree, right.
It's like you want to beself-aware of them.
Yeah but then not.
I think it's just aboutlearning how to think
differently.
A lot of it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I quit.
I took a break from going totherapy because I just felt like
I was in this loop ofcomplaining about the same shit
and I told my therapist I waslike I have to take a break and
come back once I've made someimprovement.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I feel like I jumped started mine.
I'm now doing just more.
There's also a version, I think, where you're right.
If you answer the same thingtoo many times, people then
start to look at you in therapylike you don't get it Well, and
also.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Then you start to feel stuck.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And then you will think exactly what's wrong with
me.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Why can't I uncover anything else?
A lot of the therapy I do isnot like now I'm in a coaching
thing which is less talk therapy, because I found I was getting
to the point where I was superself-aware of habits I had and
uncovering them wasn't the issue.
It was more like okay, how do Irelease them?
And also just continuouslygetting into a depressive state.
(01:36):
So how do we get out of that?
And a lot of it's been abouther helping me find my
spirituality, because I think Ididn't feel connected to that
side of myself Because I'm notreligious.
I think she says you need to beconnected to something bigger
than yourself to truly bethriving.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
For sure, so a lot of it's a guide with spiritual
practice.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So you guys both do it virtual.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I do virtual and mine is.
I actually do it through betterno better.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh, okay, is yours virtual.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I did it.
I was going in person, but eversince we started the three
month coaching thing I'm goingvirtually, just because it's
just easier.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I like doing it in my own home.
There was something she woulddo to me when I was there in
person she would like align mychakra, like cleanse my aura and
stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
She's like real like.
She's like, yeah, I love thatAwesome.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
How'd you meet that?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I got connected to her through my like primary care
doctor, got it.
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, it is cool.
There are some like parts thatfeel super uncomfortable, right.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Like just when it's all these like new things where
you're like what's the point ofthis?
Like I'll have homework.
Like my homework last week wasto like connect to like either
like a magical creature orsomething and something like in
nature, or like a God or goddessor something, and I'm like what
the hell?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Like okay, come on, golden retriever, that'll be me.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
She's like you could pick unicorns and I'm like
sitting on my couch and I havethis like unicorn safety and I'm
like, okay, this is calling tome, we're going with unicorns.
So like now it's like learningabout the symbolism of unicorns
and like how I am a unicorn.
I don't know, it's just like itsounds a little like cuckoo,
but that it's also reallypowerful in a way.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, I love when, like Kathleen walked in here and
she was like you know, I justcame here to the podcast from
therapy Cause I told her I waslike get ready for round two
100%, because I kind of feellike that's like what podcast
thing is Cause?
you just kind of like sit andlike open up and like therapy.
Really it is yeah, and me andRoger were talking cause, like
(03:47):
we, you know, we try so hard atthis podcast and we put so much
prep into everything and we prepso hard for every guest except
for you, because we got drunkand stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, we had the best prep meeting.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We had the best prep meeting where we were like
literally drinking green beerson St Patrick's Day and I was
telling you, I was watchingRoger's mouth turn greener and
greener.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I know it was a process Like the phlegm got
greener and greener.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I was like I don't want my mouth to look like that,
like if you're gonna find ahusband if there's cute men.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So you're gonna find a husband at Gibson Bar for sure
, Cass.
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
What are you?
Did you see any of you guys?
Cause I did it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I was like in dark homo and I wasn't actually like
to get attention to any of them.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I wasn't either.
But then when we went to theEast side which I never hang out
over there I was like it's likea whole nother universe over
here.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It is it is.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm not used to it.
I go over there, so I feel likeYou'll get more of a mix of
people?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, for sure, but I don't know.
I really like it over there,but I was very confused Like no
one was outside.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
No one was outside.
We were outside, it was rainy.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I've never seen that bar so dead.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of your holiday,
right, like saying I was kind offeeling like yeah, like I yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're on your vine.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I was like I have to embrace it.
I'm like there's no hotter,like redhead to rock with in
Kathleen.
So but anyway, we're so excitedto have you here, we got
Kathleen Killing, Killing You'redoing good.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, I'm trying, you're overthinking it.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
She was like don't emphasize the kill point, and I
was like I'll try my best Likehow do you annunciate your last
name correctly?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Just so that Killing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Killing yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do we have Kathleen or do we have injector Kitty in
the lobby?
What do you guys?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
want.
Like, who do you want to talkto?
I mean, therapy.
Round two is probably we wantKathleen.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's probably more, but I think your brand is it's
dominant and you let's not shyaway from.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
My brand, but I also have tried to be like pretty
authentic in my brand.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That I've created and not try to get you know to like
.
I've tried to present like whoI am, I guess on the internet,
and I just figure, like thepeople, that your people will
gravitate towards you, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You don't have to like.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You have to force them.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Let go I just think you're not going to be
successful if you're forcingthis idea, like of someone that
you really aren't, onto otherpeople.
Mobile People see through thatyou know.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Mobile, I mean, and that's why I wanted you as a
guest, because I startedfollowing you and I was like the
content you're putting out isso cool and I can just tell so
genuine Like I think one of thevideos that really caught my eye
on your page is you were likegetting ready for a date and you
were like showing the process,which we know is like a process
which actually wasn't a date.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Oh, it wasn't no.
At the end I was like justthink I'm going to a wedding by
myself.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Maybe I didn't watch it all the way through.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
No, it's fine to go.
I think it's fine to go.
A wedding by myself.
Whose wedding?
My good friend.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Okay, yeah, congrats.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But I just like resonated with me because, like
watching, like as a woman, it'ssuch a process to get ready and
we were talking about thisyesterday.
It's like if I'm going to put afull face of makeup on.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We better go.
Yeah, I mean shock on the lastepisode me learning about hair
extensions.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, what?
Oh yeah, my hair is a constantstream of anxiety in my life
Like, especially like, havingcolored hair and then I have
extension.
So it's like you always have tolike put color and then match
the extension Are you going toleave it red?
Are we going to go back to thewe're going to do a shift soon
and I'm like not going todisclose what that is, but
(07:34):
mainly out of boredom.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You got to keep them guessing.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I do love my red hair , but it's like, yeah, out of
boredom.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, she's rocked like every hair color, I'm
pretty sure.
Like blonde black, I get bored?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I get bored, and your hair really does like
affect how you feel.
I swear, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That's why I wanted to bring you on too.
It's letting people starttreating you different.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh 100%.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yes, I mean, you see how, like working with your
clients cause you're anaesthetic injector yeah, like
just the smallest things canmake you feel so much better,
whether you know some lip filler, some extensions, whatever it
is and you're growing such ahuge kind of following in Austin
as like being one of the bestinjectors that, like the girls
(08:18):
are wanting to go to.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, I'm seeing guys .
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Roger has like we got to get more guys.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I know I'd be looking at some of these men's
curves feet and I'm like, dearGod, I want you in my chair.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Let me talk to you for a minute.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I don't even think they know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They don't know, they have no clue.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They don't know, they think they look great yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And now I've learned yesterday after we met, not to
ask what work do you need?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, if you mean it, if you're going to ask that
genuinely and you're not goingto get insulted, sure Like we
can do a consult?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I was scared yesterday.
I'm not even going to lie Causelike before this.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't want people to feel that way around me Like
I don't want people to think I'mlike sitting there over
analyzing their face.
No, but I kind of.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
We're like pre-warning your next day.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I know I have been like Kathleen knew I wanted
filler cause I told her I waslike, yeah, like come on the
podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
If you tell me you want filler, you open up that I
was like come on the podcast butalso do my face.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So then when I saw her yesterday I was like, I was
like, don't look too hard.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I walked away with.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What do we need to do here?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
What'd you say?
You said I want to be snatched.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You want to be snatched.
I was like what is this?
You never heard that.
God Roger, that's been around,I feel like the ultimate cool.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's what they come in right.
Like all the girls want, likethe Bella Hadid.
Like what do you call that?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There's a lot of people that will like show me
Instagram filters, and I justimmediately try to shut that
down Because there's so manythings going into that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Love.
It's probably not even healthy.
Honestly, it's not healthy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Want to look like that no it's not, but yeah, I
mean, I love my job because it'sjust a lot of making girls feel
more confident in their ownskin and just like giving them
results that are they're stillgoing to feel like themselves.
My goal isn't to morph you intoan Instagram filter or someone
(10:05):
that you're not.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, and then you talk about, like, building your
brand and making it authentic.
Did you I mean for me maybe howlong have you been in Austin?
Because, like, do you feel asif you've gotten your following
just by you just being an adultperson, or I think, both Like
you, being a business woman andadult person.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think part of it, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm sure I have my answer, but I want to hear you,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And then I'm like curious to know what you guys
think.
But like I think I mean I owedefinitely like a big chunk of
the beginning of it, like I wasworking part time for like a
smaller mud spa and kind of likegrowing slowly.
I was like working part timeand doing injectables and then
also doing I was like a laborand deliverator.
So I would do both and that waskind of like a slow build for a
(10:49):
while that I got hired byInjection Room.
They have a huge following andso, like I think at first
there's a big influx from that,but then since then I've just
noticed like growth from justlike putting out content that
I'm proud of and being myself.
You know, I don't know what areyou guys like?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Were you born here?
What's your perception?
I guess I'm from the Bay Area.
Ok yeah, I'm from Californiaand I went to UT, so then I just
never really left.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And did you go there for like a master's undergrad I?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
went there for undergrad.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was like pre-med there OK, and then like but as I
hear a nurse, and I'm like youwent to school forever.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think people think that about you can get like a
bachelor's in nursing as anundergrad degree.
I got like a biology degreeDecided I wanted to like deliver
babies my whole life.
So I was like, obviously I'mjust going to be a gynecologist.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I was like that weird eight year old that was going
to be a gynecologist, but likethen, you know, by the time I
graduated it was hard, like itwas hard to find doctors that
would tell you to be a doctor.
Yeah and that's like not themost encouraging thing, and so
it's kind of like on the fenceabout all that.
My best friend's mom's amidwife, so it's like, okay,
(12:03):
let's go that route.
That's a master's in nursing,so it's like okay, I'll just go
get my nursing degree.
Sure and then did like a 15month accelerated nursing degree
.
Got that, started working inthe hospital, then realized I
don't want to work in thehospital for the rest of my life
.
That's kind of like where thepivot and the career changed.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I feel like this might sound bad, but sometimes I
feel like working in a hospitalis like working in a prison
yeah, like that's becausethere's no windows.
The lighting's really bad.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it's like a really weird environment to be
in it's anxiety and do sit likeI was on night shift.
Who's that's?
what I was gonna ask me alsolike disoriented in a way, and
like I did love what I, I lovedwhat I did, like I loved it in.
Not at that point in my life.
I Think one thing I can likeappreciate so much about what I
(12:55):
do now is like I can be so muchmore myself.
They're very like there's a lotof rules in the hospital that
just kind of make you feelconfined and that you can't
really like express who you arebecause it's unprofessional or
sure.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, well, I feel like that that probably supports
a lot of where you are todayand you being authentic in your
brand.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, like yeah, like I, I got out of that.
I'm not gonna yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm not gonna like continue to let that Be
something that I feel so heavilyof like, feeling like I can't
be myself.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And, honestly, your content does speak that way,
like it shines through thatyou're being like vulnerable and
authentic.
But me, like I don't know ifI'm gonna get injections, I
don't want to ask you thequestion if I get that, I'll
pull you something.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Raju's face apart?
No, that's not I see.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
He's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I see yours, like your page.
I'm like you know what I wouldgo like.
I would trust you.
I love that.
Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's like the best compliment ever, too, is like
when people are like I don'treally know.
I trust you do whatever youwant.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That's like, yeah, ideal, well it's like it's a big
thing, it's a big trust thing.
Like you're, if I'm gonna go toyour.
You know I'm gonna have youmessing with my face, but I like
100% trust you.
Yeah, inject me.
Yeah, it's like the results andthe work that you're sharing,
right, you know what I mean.
Yeah, and Thank you.
I think that's why a lot ofgirls want to go to you, because
you're sharing like the resultsthat you're giving these women,
(14:22):
you know, and they're gettingto kind of see what the process
looks like like you're filmingvideos, what it looks like when
you're injecting.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, foreign after yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I always wanted to be an injector, mm-hmm.
So it's like, oh be, so fun youget to work with women, yeah.
It's like the beauty industry,yeah.
And then I was like, oh shit,like you have to actually have a
nursing degree, right.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, well, in Texas you actually don't.
Okay, I have like the Wild Westout here, but which is, I don't
know I have I'm sure what's the?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
requirements like.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I don't think there is a requirement.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Okay, so I can inject people I get.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I get ads, you can just go Open up a back.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, actually no.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I get ads for like Courses and stuff that are like
take this 60-hour course andbecome an injector, like no
degree necessary, um, the I?
The problem is is like when,when too many, when the industry
gets oversaturated with likepeople that are not trained
properly, that's how theindustry gets like a bad
(15:30):
reputation for looking fake andyou know there's plenty of like
work that I've had to Correctand then people are spending
even more money on it.
It's just, I don't know, yeah,and I'm sure that hurt, not
ideal.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I always like think about, like Cardi B.
You know she was like and shewas in when she was in Brooklyn.
She was getting like.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Sorry, I mean, I love Cardi, she was getting like ass
injections in a basement.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You know what I mean.
So there's like people doingcrazy.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, shit, that is so unsafe yeah so I mean
ultimately, like, as in it, youneed to know what to do if
something goes wrong.
Right, because stuff can gowrong, and I'm like I take my
job like it's people's face.
Like I really do and then.
So there is like an underlyingSense of anxiety that I think
comes with that, which I thinkthen makes you like a safer
(16:22):
practitioner, like it.
It's crazy to me that thesegirls I don't want to like get
on like a group of people and belike we shouldn't be doing that
, but it's just like you shouldbe a little bit more scared,
like I don't know why you're notscared and you yeah, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So I guess for me to understand to ladies this might
be helpful, for, just like mycontextual pull from it, you're
doing injections on the frontend right, like somebody wants
to get something fixed on theirface, or yeah, a different way
you're doing injections.
Is there a job for injectionson the back end to like
Something goes wrong?
(16:59):
Like I get injections, I getsick.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I mean the.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Injector should address that, okay Got it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, the injector should address that got it.
But you know that I've justheard of so many different
situations where, like,something does go wrong Because
they I don't want to say becausethey got something done by
someone who was like unlicensedor sure.
Because that could technicallyhappen to anyone, right.
But then, like I've heard ofsituations where, like that
(17:26):
Practitioner like blocks theperson like yeah, that's not,
it's just crazy.
Yeah, and then no one.
And then the problem with thatis then no one wants to treat
you to fix it, because itthey're.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Then viable yeah.
Wow well, that helps me tounderstand and I asked the
question because now I see withyour following in your brand,
this is a, this is they'remaking a lifetime commitment to
you.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, I mean that's the goal right define clients
that like will follow me forever.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah and.
It just helps.
It makes more sense.
Yeah, like outside looking in.
Now I'm like no, no, I one,I've already respected you to we
had a blast yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, I think that's my new favorite way to like prep
for that Do you guys notnormally do that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh, I'm sorry, I kind of special guest.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, yeah, you're the first.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I was glad you all are down.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I was like young, I'm gonna start girl I was, I was
fanboying, I was fanboying.
When she got you, I was like,let's go.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
How'd you get Kathleen?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was like why are you guys talking?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
about normal girl.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And that's now you got this.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
It's so fun yeah but you're like on the pulse of like
the Austin Beauty scene, whichI think is so cool, and even
talking about like fillers.
Like I kind of feel likefillers are like the new Normal.
Yeah, and maybe I'm wrong, butI almost think for women we were
talking about this a little bityesterday like we're
competitive, yeah, like if Stacyover here has got her lips done
(18:52):
bow tops, you know all thisstuff.
I'm not gonna be like Annie onthe prairie and be trying to
date Austin and not yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, I mean, it's almost sad,like to hear people say this.
In a way, it's like God.
Like you know, I feel likesometimes I have this like guilt
associated with what I do, likeam I perpetuating like an, an
unrealistic standard?
I mean, I hope not, because theresults are not unrealistic but
(19:23):
it's like I Don't know it.
Just it sucks that people feellike, oh, they have to get it
done right because ultimatelyit's like a luxury service and
so I think the one thing you'vedone that sounds really healthy
is Someone shows you like anInstagram filter.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, like put that away.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think at that point You're being not only
responsible in a such a healthyway.
Yeah you're really being caringtowards the Somebody's face to
set a realistic expectation.
Yeah, because the other half ofit is they get that done, then
they keep coming back to you forthis.
Look right, and the Instagramfilters gonna probably change in
the next six to eight months.
Totally gotta adapt tosomething else totally, and now
(20:04):
it's botched Right like that'sunfair.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I mean a huge part of like being a good injector is
like knowing when to say no.
Yeah which is always hard.
But it's just like I want tosee the long term for people and
not just like will this lookgood in the moment?
Right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Well, it's all like perception too right, because
for me I look at personally, Ilook at fillers as like
self-care, because I know thatit's gonna like make me.
I know I've had them and I knowwhat it feels like when I get
Botox and I enjoy it.
So it's like something I enjoyin my like self-care routine,
right, but then there's someother people that might judge me
(20:44):
like you know, oh, she'sputting injectables in her face.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But even sometimes I I mean, yeah, I hope we've like
moved past that, so I do thinkit's gotten a lot better.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I think the people that judge you sometimes, though
, are like the jealous ones yeah, like cuz.
I've even done it myself.
It's like if it wasn'tsomething I could afford.
Yeah, obviously, yeah, jealousat this other girls right doing
it.
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Reception.
It is, I mean, I think, like aGreat place to start, for anyone
is like skin care too.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I think that gets like overlooked sometimes.
I'm like why are we puttingthree syringes in your face when
, like, your skin is not healthy?
Yeah, so I got a.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I got like a little bit of a random insight here
about skin care.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I just recently got this thing where I put it like
on my hair and then wash my face.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
There's like, oh, like, a headband.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
What this thing is the coolest thing about you need
the.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You need the wrist cuffs too.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I, those are like the game change send it to me
Please, like I'm ready.
Yeah, I'm in love with this.
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm is your hairlong?
It.
Yes, it's long.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I have it braided for another episode.
I always have a hat on, so yeah, they do ask me like are you
bald?
Yeah like no, I have a fullhead of hair, yeah, but I just
always have a hat.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh, it's always the bald guys that have the hats.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
And then I'll think they'recute and then I'm like, oh, I
never mind when they know, no,it's a skill.
That's a tough one to get,skill.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah and I.
That's.
That's sad.
I feel bad saying that, youknow, but God, I want to be able
to like look if they could getit, if you can get injections,
you can go get your hair.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You can get yeah, people Well.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, that's another thing and actually like two pays
are on the rise.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, it's not so fixable problem.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, yeah, it is to a degree.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's their choice.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, you can get a turkey love.
Yeah, yourself a transplant.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And one of my guy friends did that and he came
back and I was like what thefuck happened?
Because it looks so Weird afteryou do it like the hair, Mm-hmm
yeah right away but I had somuch respect for him yeah, doing
it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Dude, I was talking to this guy on hinge and like we
hadn't met, what's not, like wewere like vibing over text.
He like, right off the bat,he's like telling me he's not
feeling well Cuz he had thissurgery, and I was like, what
kind of surgery did you have?
And he goes a hair transplant.
Then, boom, sends me a selfieof like his bald head, like all
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red and like Bold, like I waslike I, I'm busy, respect you,
but I am busy.
Yeah, but now I am busy.
That is crazy, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's a good fight for somebody to one want to get
something done for themselves,like I respect that, but at the
same time, I do think it isproblematic if you're going to
lie about it, Like get it doneand tell everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, who cares?
Yeah, you got it done for areason.
Jennifer Lopez says that shedoesn't get like injectables.
Yeah, like all the oil orsomething on her face.
Yeah, I thought I'll see whathappens.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah right, Breakout right.
And she's like, ha ha, I gotyou.
It's that extra version.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, doing the Lord's work.
Her poor injector is probablylike you're going to piss.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Like why are you pissing?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Maybe so mad, it's like how much do you feel like I
think that's something that youhave to kind of like accept is
going to happen?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Do people sign NDAs or anything?
No, or do you make them?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, I mean I'm sure if it was like a celebrity
getting treated, maybe they'dmake you like sign NDA.
I don't know, I feel likethey're.
Most of my patients are likecool with me posting them yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
There's not, like that, celebrity clientele in
Austin, I feel like.
But I think it's evolving.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It is, yeah, the micro, the like.
I don't want to say like beless celebrities.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I feel like this South by Southwest this year,
like I finally saw thecelebrities of like an LA, a New
York come here and like reallyseem overly comfortable.
I mean Connor McGregor was at.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think it's like a fresh air for them.
It is In.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Austin and it felt good this year.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But this year really felt like a good South by
Because if you like, live in LAor New York, like I would
imagine.
You come here and you're likepeople are fucking nice.
What is going on Like out oftheir way nice, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I'm from New York, my first a little bit here.
I was like what's the catch?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, yeah, because I'm nice.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But they're people are like a different level of
nice.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, it's super easy to make friends here.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
It's hard to get used to.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Well, that's a weird amount too, like with you like
being a beautiful woman and thenworking in aesthetics, like we
talk about this all the time,like I feel like there has to be
like a lot of misconceptionsabout you, like who you are as a
person and then probably inyour dating life as well.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, I think, like in terms of dating.
I mean, this is more like amisconception about like what I
do.
But guys love to be like youknow what kind of nurse are you?
I tell them I'm an injector,which for one I think it's seen
as like OK, you're not a realnurse.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I just fucked up, we're OK.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But then, yeah, guys love to just be like oh, so you
like juice people up with lipfiller.
That's kind of funny, you knowit's like, it's just kind of
like demeaning in a way.
But I'm like, yeah, yes, I haveyou know secretly analyzing,
like, thinking about how manyunits of talks they need, but
like it's just, I don't know.
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So that's like one thing withdating, I guess, like, but I
think they move past it quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Do you feel like?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I feel respected for the most part.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Do you feel like your beauty gets in the way of your
boldness as a businesswoman?
I think people will discountyou.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think like there's times where I felt like people
don't take me seriously or likeI'm seen as like not
professional.
I don't know if that's like acombination of like how I look
or how I dress, but also justlike me being a super like chill
person I'm not good withconfrontation Like any situation
where I've had to be like superformal, like when I would have
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to do like you had to turn it on.
Interviews and I'm wearing workpants, like I feel so out of
like.
This isn't me.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then, like, as I'm saying that, I'm like is
that something that is thatmaybe like me projecting my own
insecurities onto me and makingme think that, like people see
me that way?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I don't know, like I haven't really, but that's
healthy accountability too, likeI think.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
We talk about therapy all the time and us embracing
it.
That's such an emotionallyaware way to look at a scenario
like that.
Like you're, like you're givingthe benefit of the doubt both
ways to say OK, well, if you dothink of me that way, I hear you
I see you.
If you don't, and that's me.
I could still work on me andthat me Right.
Right, but you still show up,that's the bottom line yeah.
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Like showing up, is that?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
that costs you nothing.
I mean the way I also Every youjust being like myself and
stuff is like yeah, that mightmean that some people don't take
me seriously, but then thosepeople probably like aren't for
me.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know, like I think there's a huge group of
people that gravitate towards mebecause they feel like
comfortable and not like sointimidated by I mean the meds
pause, intimidating.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh yeah, I've been in one so.
Yeah, but I didn't think aboutthat Now that you said that I'm
like oh, the meds pause.
Intimidating, that's true.
Yeah, because I think about you.
Know, you're walking in thereas a woman, maybe thinking that
you want to, like, do somethingto your face.
It's like beautiful women thatwork there.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You might be going oh , I've had so many patients that
feel like that say to me like Ifeel like I don't belong here
and I'm like yeah, I'm like,that's just not, that's not.
It makes me sad that, like ifthat's the impression we're
giving off because that's notthe case, no, I think that's
like an internal, likeinsecurity, oh for sure, and
their worthiness or whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, because like there's so many women that, like
you know, they go through adivorce or a breakup or and then
it's like that's a lot of timesI feel like when women go in to
go get filler things done islike looking for that sense of
yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So you're telling me if I got through a breakup I
should go get fillers, because Ithink I'm going to do it
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If it feels this good , maybe I think like 10 units of
Botox would a guy would be likeshocked by how good you would
feel, I don't know.
More like 75.
Oh, 75.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
She's like you got a big forehead.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, that's like definitely.
A lot of people are like I get25 units, I'm like, ok, well, I
would do 50.
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Because I grew up like Lake Travis area.
Yeah, and it's sorry, excuse me, it's kind of like a weird
bubble to grow up in.
Yeah, because I remember thegirls that I went to high school
with.
They were getting Botox out,like that's crazy 21.
Oh, yeah, and I was like shit.
Like do I need to be gettingBotox at 21?
Like it was a different.
They're getting boob jobs inhigh school, I know.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I'm from like.
I grew up in a pretty bluecollar town, predominantly Irish
.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
OK.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And I'm telling you this was.
I was not exposed to this, youweren't no.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I thought you were saying all those football
players wanted trophy-wide.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, that my hometown.
My hometown was different thanthe school I was to.
Oh, because I went to highschool in New Jersey, but my
hometown was separate.
So it was I lived in New York,went to school in Jersey.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And these guys definitely the guys were walking
around with Whomever.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They thought it's like crazy though, like how many
men like don't want theirsignificant other to get work
done which is so interesting tome?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then like it's a slippery slope.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
To clarify, like before I say this I do not hate
men, I think they're good onesout there, but it's just like
very hypocritical because thenthose are the same guys that
probably like go choose ayounger, like harder version
when the time comes, it's likeOK.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's where I think it's a slippery slope yeah.
Because that same guy who saysno, you're like you're a
hypocrite.
Now look at your next choice.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, I have so many like dirty thoughts going
through my mind because Iremember I don't even know if I
should say this on here, but I'mjust going to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, don't say the name, so.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
OK.
So like my ex, I remember Istarted dating him and I went to
go get my lips done.
He was kind of like why are youdoing that?
Yeah, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, they view it as , like you're insecure, you're
wanting to like change somethingabout yourself and like yeah,
and I told him I was like, justwait until I use the monulator,
and yeah.
And then he liked him.
So right now, no one has evercomplained about the lips.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
He told me he was like I'll pay for it.
Oh my gosh, that was likeperfect.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my God that is funny.
Like that is that is one thinglike I can't do a man with paper
thins, and that's something Imaybe need to, you know with
white.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's my super favorite lips.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I don't like kissing a thin lip.
That makes sense.
Me either, I don't, no.
Sorry guys, this is the bestCome see me.
And then we can consider it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Do straight guys ever get lip filler?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yes, Does it look?
I yeah, no, it can be like lipfiller can look.
So it's so people, that's likea big misconception I was like
like it takes a lot of lipfiller to start looking crazy.
Yeah, and obviously like ifit's done poorly.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
but I think that may be another thing too.
Like one thing yeah judgment oflike don't get it done.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, because they don't want.
They want their girl to benatural.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Like mentally they go to probably.
Yeah, oh, you're going to looklike a fake.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But you're doing work where I mean there's something.
I believe you had a post whereit's like showing the before and
after where it looks so natural.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
It seems like that's what you focus on For sure, like
lip filler.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I mean lip filler too .
Like can have such a power andlike balancing the face.
Yeah if someone has like afuller face, like some more
attention to their lips can likechange everything for them in
terms of their confidence, andthen like a lot of, what I do
too is like just understandingthe aging process and then kind
of I think a filler as likerestoring volume that is lost as
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we age.
As we age, like our bone shrink, our muscle shrinks, everything
starts kind of falling.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
And so a lot of it's just kind of like restorative.
Do you ever like host trainingfor other?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
No, I haven't gotten to that point.
I'm sure I will do that.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I'm like other injectors, would be so lucky.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah exactly Because I'm sitting here learning.
I love how that's so sweet.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, I feel like it's even like the social media
aspect.
Like you know, eventually, whenyou get to a place in your
career, like the stuff thatyou're doing on social media,
it's like there's so manyaspects of being an injector and
running your business.
That's not just the injecting,you know.
It's like showing your clientsthere before and afters and like
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really building that brand foryourself Totally.
And there's probably like a lotof people starting out that
don't understand what all reallygoes into it.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh, yeah, I mean, the industry is like very, very
glamorized as well.
Yeah, Do you feel so?
I think there's like a lot ofpeople, like nurses that
probably want to like me, likewant to get out of the hospital,
see how like glamorized thisindustry is, and then think, oh,
like I want to do that, andthen you know it's still there's
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still, it's a job like any job.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Can I ask a wild one?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Ask a wild one.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What who's like?
You've worked many lives in theworld of nursing.
What's your worst clientexperience or patient?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
experience, that's hard.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Like there's gotta be one.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I know there's gotta be like one that stands out
right.
I mean I think I don't know.
I mean I'm so pumped.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I think if you don't have one, I have one, you have
one for me.
Yeah, because?
So I matched with this guy on adating app the other day and
he's a trauma nurse and I askedhim.
I was like what's the worstthing you've seen?
He's probably like so annoyed,probably like you are.
Like all the nurses get askedthat fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Oh, I was an L&D nurse so everyone thought I knew
everything about STDs and I waslike, love, you need to go get
a test and you go to a doctorand then get an antibiotic
script.
This is so out of the pie.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I can't help you.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So this guy that I was talking to.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
He said he saw a foot fall off someone and then like
why am I even talking about,like I'm gonna get myself in
trouble today You're violatinghip-or-rex, yeah?
And then he saw like a poolball stuck up you know somewhere
it shouldn't be.
And I'm like how does this shithappen?
I know that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, that's the other thing too, like how much
embellishment is there, becausethis guy could have just totally
been.
There's not, like that'sprobably fact.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Probably love to stick stuff up their butt.
Yeah, they do.
It's weird, I know.
I know it's not just likeGrey's Anatomy, like I know,
this happens in real life.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That was my favorite show as a kid.
Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's so good.
I remember when Mcdreamy diesand it's like wow, oh yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Doctor Mcdreamy, like he was everyone's favorite no,
yeah, it went downhill.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
He thinks out he wanted to believe in this love
story, and then it just.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, he's here in Austin sometime.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Is he no way?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, he goes to like all the F1 races.
Okay, I feel like I have seenthat.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I need to get there, like apparently that's the place
to be.
Like, why where's my invite?
We should go.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, let's go to.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
F1.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Someone sponsor me and Kathleen I know.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Please sponsor our trip there.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I'll buy my ticket.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Roger's ticket.
We are there simply to likeexist Be scheme.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah be scheme.
Well, that's what I mean theindustry that you're in.
Do you feel like a pressure tolike show up to your job looking
a certain way Honestly?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Great question, no Okay.
Well, you're so naturallybeautiful, I am just I'm not
someone to like put on a beatevery day Like I'll go to work,
like I think that's one thingabout like skincare, though.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Is like when you have good skin, you feel like I
don't need to wear makeup.
I mean, I have lash extensionsthat helps Sure, I don't know.
I don't wanna show up feelinglike this pressure to be glam
every day.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's not realistic you know, then I guess I'll ask
the same question you just asked, but differently.
Where do you feel like you haveto have your emotional
availability at a maximumcapacity when you get to work?
Because it feels like you're aversion of someone's therapist?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, in some ways.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
And also their nurse.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
In some ways.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Like does it ever?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
drain you.
Yeah, you'll learn to do that.
I think I'm naturally prettyempathetic and just good with
people.
I mean I say good, I don't saythat in a bragging way.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think it's more like I can relate to people
easily.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And then a lot of the girls too that come to see me.
They came to see me becausethey felt somehow connected to
what they're seeing on theinternet or their friend
referred them or something.
So there's a natural connection.
That happens with most peopleright off the bat, and if it
doesn't, then it doesn't.
But I don't feel like.
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I mean I would say at the endof the day, sometimes you don't
want to go out and be socialbecause you've been talking to
people all day, but I don't seeit as, like most days, that I'm
at work unless I'm down bad orsomething I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Because then it's like, how does that play into
your dating too?
Because, you go from your nineto five.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I would say being a nurse, dating this is, more
generally, not really somethingthat applies to aesthetics, but
being a nurse, I think you havea natural tendency to want to
take care of people and be anurturing person, and so a lot
of that is like I'll give thatto men a lot of the times, and
sometimes I have to check myselfand be like no, you need that
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too.
You can't just be the one takingcare of people all the time or
building them up.
You want to be with someonethat can give that to you in
return.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah.
Do you feel like you'rehyper-independent when?
You're dating people.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think hyper-independent, like how.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Because it sounds like you have this caretaker
kind of mentality from being anurse and I feel like it's so
hard as women when we havecareers and we're going hard at
work all day and then we want totake care of people, it's so
hard to be soft and let a mantake care of us.
Yeah, and I know for me I'vedeveloped this
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hyper-independence where Iforget, oh, I can lean on a man.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I think that absolutely is something I would
fall into Slash.
Also, I think as women, we'realmost trained to be, and I
don't know if this is just likeAustin I mean, I know it's not
just Austin.
I do think there's a lot of menin Austin that struggle with
being masculine.
So then, as women, ourmasculinity can take over and it
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can use sometimes to feel like,oh, I have to be like this, or
they're not going to like me, orthey're going to get.
It's going to be too much workfor them, or something.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
There's a sense of attraction to that.
I think it's nice.
It's nice to know that samething hopefully.
I don't want to overeat oroverestimate my boundary, but I
think it's nice when a man is intune with his femininity.
Oh, absolutely, because me, asa guy a woman in tune with her
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masculinity is just the mostpowerful thing.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, it's attractive , it is, it's powerful, but I
had someone tell me the otherday that I'm ferocious.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh my, god, what the hell.
Maybe I need to comment.
I don't think.
How do they mean that?
Because I don't think he's notwrong, he's not wrong he knows
me so well.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
What was the context?
He's a friend of my exes and hewas like I see why your ex
couldn't put up with you,couldn't handle you.
He was like you're fuckingferocious.
And I was like, yes, becauseI'm a lot and so I need someone.
I kind of need someone thatputs me in my place a little bit
walks me off the edge.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
But you're so sweet, honestly, she says it all the
time.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Ferocious is the wrong one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
She's such a sweetheart, her delivery may
hurt you.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
She may cut you real quick.
Sad, oh, yes, what's yours?
Yeah, that's fine, I'm acapricorn.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I'm a cancer.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Wow, we got a mix of energy.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Huge mix here.
Yeah, I'm the big baby of thebunch.
I think y'all will survive.
I'll just hotline, bling y'alland be like help me.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know what I always do Whenever I start
liking someone, I'll actually Iknow nothing about the
horoscopes, but I'll startgoogling the compatibility.
It's just so embarrassing, noyou have to dude All the time.
I believe in some of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
It's so spot on.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, I know You're very spot on.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's what I love about Roger.
I also have not talked topeople when I find out they're
sad.
Yeah, there's no point.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Roger's such a cool guy because I'll be like, oh,
you know, horoscopes in the moonand energy and woo, woo, woo.
And he's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm into all of it.
I'm like look at this video Ijust saw.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I love that, because some guys, you know, I don't
like when men are like.
I don't want to hear like yeahon judging you for bringing that
up.
Yeah, don't judge somethingthat you truly know nothing
about.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Tell them, Kathleen yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And I think the other thing is, and then you just say
oh, that's a very Gemini thingof you to say If you want to be
petty.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, we'll get right back.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You brought something else up to you the other day
human design.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
And I think that's so important.
It's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I don't know.
I would recommend oh, that's arabbit hole, so it's based.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, it's very cool.
It's based on your birth chartin the sense of like you kind of
you can find out what you'rehuman designed and by like
plugging in your where you'reborn and what time and
everything.
It's not astrology, but it'ssimilar in the sense of like it
kind of tells you the best waysto like expand your energy, the
best ways to interact with theworld, the best ways for you to
like make decisions.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
And it kind of.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
It's very like validating, like if you're
someone who's done a lot of likework on themselves and then you
go to that and you're like, ok,this is what this validates.
Like, why am that way?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Have you, have you ever done like an enneagram test
?
Mm-mm, I would think it's likethe same thing.
Enneagram is like a personalitytest and it sounds similar to
like human design.
But I took an enneagram testwhen I was on mushrooms and so I
felt like my answers werereally authentic.
But after I got my results itmade like me understand myself
(44:17):
at like such a deeper level.
So that sounds like what humandesign she just explained it so
yeah, the energy output.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I think that's important.
Yeah it's like you get to seethe way in which you express or
output your energy and how itaffects you.
Yeah, yeah versus how youprobably should regulate it in
certain environments, and alsothe way you receive energy.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Take a test.
I'll send you a link.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, you don't even have to take a test.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I'm going to put the link in the show notes and you
have to do a little bit ofresearch too, Like you have to
like it'll.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
whatever link I send you, it'll tell you what you are
, and then I like research.
What an individual thing meant.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, if that makes sense.
It almost like promotes you towant to do the research.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Because it gives it to you, and then you're like
what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, you're learning about yourself, but I don't
know, it's been cool.
It's like my.
I think I'm like a manifestinggenerator or something.
It tells me like for me, likemy gut, decision making is very
sacred, and that's like very inalignment with like how I felt
(45:26):
that I've made my best decisionsand then I go.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
I learned this I learned this.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
And then I like was in a situation with a guy where
I just was, like I wasn'tfeeling it.
I get in these situations too,like me digressing for a second,
where I'm like this is the typeof guy I should date.
Like he has a shit together,he's not 27.
He like he wants a relationshipand like then I'll find myself
like uninterested, probablybecause it's more about the
(45:56):
person.
I mean.
Maybe I don't know, we weretalking about that yesterday.
Like, is that a reflection ofme?
I don't know.
I think it's more just aboutthe person.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I need the Kathleen button in my pocket.
You're fucking funny.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Wait, but okay, you like older guys or younger guys?
Are you drawn to?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
one.
I feel like I'm drawn to, likevery youthful energy.
So then I like why do I?
But I can't.
I'm 30.
I can't like go for the 26 yearold too.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I do it too, though Lives, yeah, no, it's like I
think, because I think I'm soyoung in my head.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
You do not look 30.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
That's crazy.
Yeah, I hope not.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's like when you feel like you have a young
energy, like I don't want to bedating like a 50 year old man.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And there's like it seems that there's too, like a
there's a shift in terms ofgenerations, Like I feel like up
until like I'm sure it alsoobviously depends on the person,
but there's that shift aroundlike 36 or something where I'm
like you don't get me.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
You don't understand the way that I talk.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, you don't fully .
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I feel like they're like my parents.
Sometimes I'm like because I'lltalk about something they don't
even know what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I'm like okay, never mind, I had a friend who she
just broke up with a guy I thinkhe was like 39, and she may be
like 28, 29.
And same thing you just said,Like she was like there was just
a disconnect.
There was a disconnect and likewatching a music video yes, or
like you don't think the samememes are funny.
Yeah, like it was just simpleshit.
(47:28):
She was like it actually becamean ick.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, it can become an ick.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, because she was like for sure.
I'm over here having to explainsimple shit to you.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
No, yes, I know.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I think it's like because it's for me like so,
like I love like 2000,.
Like old school trap, rap, hiphop, yeah.
And it's like you know there'sbeen guys I dated who like
really related to that, Likethey'll listen to some ludicrous
or usher yeah, because it'slike we grew up with that Right.
And then if I'm talking tosomeone that like never listened
to that music, it's like I justdon't know, can you turn it off
(47:59):
?
Yeah, yeah, I'm like mm.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I'm actually gonna turn it out.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, or they'll play you like.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Listen to this David Bowie song.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, like what.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
You're like queen, yeah, and like I, like all of it
.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
I don't wanna, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I'm going to the gym.
I'm not trying to hear DavidBowie, nor queen.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I'm just like.
I don't mean it's notuncultured, it's just I didn't
grow up with that.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I feel like the younger guys kind of.
I feel like they like worshipme more, not worship.
There is that sense too.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It's like oh Until you've been like fucked over by
too many men yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
You're like no, it actually doesn't really matter
yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
And it's the same from a male's perspective.
Yeah, I think it's just amatter of like, what is being
fucked over, look like, andusually it's, the guy is not
willing to be accountable, andthen he ends up throwing the
fucking wrench in the bomb.
The bomb blows up and then it'slike, well, you have that guy
on your face, but at the sametime, to be fair, if there's
something that goes wrong wherethere's that age discrepancy
(48:56):
from high to low, low to high,whatever it is, I do think it's
ultimately a matter of like,respecting someone's timeline.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Like, if I'm gonna date someone older, you may know
music that I don't know.
And I may know music, you don'tknow.
If I date someone younger, samething.
I'm gonna probably try toprotect their frontal lobe a
little bit more.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
And then the older person.
I want you to protect myfrontal lobe a little bit more,
right.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I mean ultimately too , if you like.
Care about the person enoughlike you're gonna wanna learn
their world and the way thatthey think.
But I do think that's like athing with dating older guys.
I mean, I think the therapistanswer would be that, like I
would date people that areyounger than me or don't have
(49:40):
their shit together, the peoplethat I feel maybe in some
subconscious level are beneathme, because then they can't
really hurt me.
Oh shit.
That would be like you're gonnago for the 25 year old because
at the end of the day, like hemight make you sad for two days
and you know you can get better.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Maybe he's hot.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Maybe he's just really sexy too, maybe he's
really hot.
Yeah, maybe he's like six four.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
It's a six yeah, like six, four yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
That's deep.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I mean, I have like a very specific type, so I think
that would probably like get meinto like little traps, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Same.
We were talking about that.
I'm like, I like the onepercent which is like a man.
That's like six, four makesover a hundred thousand dollars.
Yeah, it's like the one guythat 500 women want.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
She sent me this one time and then it was like a lot
of her exes are tall, causeshe's tall, yeah.
So she had said that I'll tellyou.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Okay, I say five, 10, but I actually think I'm more
like five, 11.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, I think you're five, 11.
Six five.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
But I had back surgery and I think it made me
grow Really.
What I'm not happy about?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
but it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
No good thing, yeah, and then I still will like run
around in like five inch hillsand then I'm like, why the fuck,
are these men so short?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
That's like powerful, that there's something like so
powerful about like a tall.
Yeah, but I'm wearing the heels.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
She said something like that, you little peasants
yeah, I didn't realize it's hardfor her to date because I'm
sure She'll sometimes like meetprobably good to great quality
guys.
From what you expand to me,yeah, and then I'm like yeah,
there's a desire for somethingsomeone taller yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I think the thing that's always going through
Roger's head is like who isfucking cast?
Speaker 1 (51:18):
because Because he brings a.
I don't get it.
I literally don't get it.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I just but I'm so particular yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Well, I mean she's.
She has our own personal lifeand, mind you, we have a
friendship but also a businessrelationship, Like we're very
interpersonal and definitelyexplain things to each other.
But there's a line where it'slike I kind of don't want to
know, Like I yeah, I don'trespect her so much, where I'm
like Cass, unless you're introuble, like I don't need to
hear about who you're banging.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Right, yeah, I'm the entertainment for my whole
office.
I'll say that, but then again,if she's in trouble, I want to
be the first call.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I want you to be like come beat this man up.
I'll be like I got you Give me10.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
There's something about like the male female
friendship dynamic.
It's like maybe I don't want toknow everything, yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
But he would know if I like someone 100%.
They would get brought around,roger.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
And I'd be like, I'd be like Roger, you knew him.
Yeah, Bring him on the show, oh.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I'm a grill, I'm crazy.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
That would be and a respectful.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
That will be an epic episode, oh yeah, that's what
scares me because, like we kindof touch on dating on the show,
because we have, like oursponsor, thursday dating, it's
like a dating app.
That's not a dating app.
Okay, and so.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
You'd actually enjoy it and you thrive in the
environment.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, because you like meet people in person but
like wait what?
Yeah?
So Roger's.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
What.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
The app only works one day a week.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Only on Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And then you would basically buy your ticket to
attend an event.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
But how many times have you been on a date and like
your first 10 to 15 minutesyou're like I do not like this.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
But you got like, you got to ride it out.
I can do it.
Yeah, you got to ride it out.
Yeah, instead, at a Thursdayevent, you can go to one of
these Thursday dating events.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Is it like a speed dating?
Speaker 1 (53:00):
It's not speed dating , it's more or less like just
access to other signals, so Areyou like matching with them for?
You can match on Thursday.
You can use the app, you canmatch with them, you can talk
with them and then, hopefully,you both buy a ticket to the
same event.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Right, right, right In the same city.
Okay.
So like, yeah, he hosts themlike everywhere, so it could be
like at the codependent, forexample, or like a workout class
, and you go there and you knowthat, like everyone else there,
at that time, pretty much islike single.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
So it's like that.
It's kind of nice Because Ijust go with some friends and if
there's like a hot guy andthere's less pressure.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes, so in the 10, 15 minutes, like if they're
fucking weird, you're like, hey,I'm gonna slide down.
I mean I told y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I'm like encouraging the FaceTime, the FaceTime.
I wanna assess the vibe.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, I like that, but it's also it's a safe
environment, and then it's crazyhow many dudes will not
FaceTime you back.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
I'm like what does that say about you?
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I just it's interesting, like like I love
phone calls and people don'tlike them anymore.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
No, I love, I know I love a phone call.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I'm on the phone.
It's more yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's more efficient and you can like assess,
actually, like how I'm feeling,like, oh my God, like, if you
have to like say something tosomeone that's like hard to say,
do not text it.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well then, I guess I'd ask you both right, like
what's your love language?
Cause I feel like I'm qualitytime, but like what what's yours
?
Cause I don't know if I getquality time on the phone.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
They're so interesting yeah they are
Because.
I don't.
I have a hard time like pouringinto people with the ones that
I don't resonate with.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Cause like, so, like words of affirmation, like I
don't need someone to tell meI'm pretty and I'm so great,
cause I do that for myself.
So then it's like the men thatneed that.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
I'm not feeding your ego motherfucker, really Totally
.
Yeah, so I don't know, not atthe beginning, you're a funny
guy.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
You're a funny guy, not at the beginning.
We can't be having them afterthat.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
I'm all about like the, the push and pull.
Yeah, like kind of like thefemme fatale, like I'm not going
to give it all to you rightaway.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
So, but like mine, quality time and physical touch
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, I mean I would say the same, plus a little bit
of words of affirmation, like Iwould like to be like reassured.
It's not someone, it's not thatI need someone complimenting me
, but it is nice.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I just like to check in.
I want to know we're on thesame.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
When you want to be someone that you feel like
appreciated.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I mean that's part of it but definitely like physical
touch and quality time.
I'm like a clingy bitch.
If I like someone, I hear youbeing dog.
I want to be with you all thetime.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I think that's how, like, not.
I think that's how you knowwhen you like someone, though,
yeah, it's like you don't wantto leave their side.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
You want to spend time and you want to get to know
them in all environments rightRight.
Like that makes it fun.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Cause, then you can go home and you you're able to
reflect on the day yeah.
Be like what'd you think ofthat person, What'd you think of
this Totally?
And then it's fun.
Yeah, it's like a TV show.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
It's not even like I don't even think it's unhealthy,
cause there's like been peopleI dated and like we liked each
other and then we just neverseparated, yeah.
And then there's also beenpeople where I felt like I had
to play the game a little bitand like what?
I don't like that feeling.
I don't know, do you ever playthe game?
Or oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
I feel like you got the game.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I feel like you've got the game.
I'm not gonna say that, but I'mlike I've been single for so
long and I'm like that's what Iwas going to ask you.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I'm not doing something like how long?
Like four years?
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Okay.
So your last relationship wasfour years ago, or that was like
the last I've had like flingsin between them, but I don't
think I've like ever since thatrelationship like truly called
someone my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
What happened when we went to Juicy shit?
Speaker 2 (56:41):
I mean, it's not like that juicy, Like, literally, I
went to a wedding with him thenight before.
You know, I was tipsy, I wastalking about our wedding
situation, he, that might havefreaked him out, I don't know.
We were 26.
Like.
Like eight, like a year and ahalf or so, okay, and then, like
(57:03):
embed, the next morning I didlike a check in.
I don't know Like I look backon this and I'm like what called
me to do that.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Something subconsciously like called me to
do this.
But I was like, hey, babe, likehow are you feeling?
Like are you happy Like tell meabout, like just having like a
healthy little feedback aboutour relationship?
And he's like I think I want tobreak up.
No, tough.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Tough Like no warning signs for me and did he hit you
.
You know, people ask you likelooking back, like do you wear
their signs that you didn't see?
I'm like, maybe, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Was it like I think I want to break up and we are
going to break up?
Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, it was like it was.
We are going to break up.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
So that's like.
It's always hard when someoneputs you in that position of
like it's a hard, no, like,there's no talking through it.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
At the end of the day , I don't want to like fight a
man to like want to be with me.
I'm not trying to convince youto want to be with me.
I mean we have like a goodrelationship now.
It wasn't like ugly.
I definitely like continue tohook up with him to the point
where I was like very numb to it.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Did you think that like that was going to be your
person Like?
Speaker 2 (58:16):
I think at the time you feel like that's your person
, like that was probably likethe first time I was like in
love as an adult of like who Iam now.
I was like the only other likeserious relationship I had was
in college and like I did lovehim so much but I grew out of
like I was kind of the one whoinitiated the end of that one.
So it was like that was thefirst probably like true
(58:37):
heartbreak situation.
But I mean, it's like you lookback at I look back at myself at
26 and I'm like differentperson.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
I give it to y'all too.
It's like I've heard you speakabout it and now hearing you as
well.
I've always struggled with likehow do I break up?
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, oh, it's so hard to break up with someone.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
It's so hard.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
It's awful.
Like I don't sometimes I'll bein those positions and I'm like
I wish I was on the other side.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah, I get clammy.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
I get weird.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
I'm like I'm too big to be this awkward.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, plus, like your cancer, like you're probably
like I feel so much for theother person.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yes.
Like, I'm just like, but then Iend up ruining it cause I'm
like I should have ended it somuch longer ago.
But I care too much.
I'm like I want you to be good,yeah, and I could stay and help
, but I'm probably doing thisand this without you.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
I think like the biggest thing to realize, like
when you feel the need to end itwith someone but you're scared
to do it is like I'm not servingthis person by staying in their
life.
You really I'm not like I don'twant to be here, like that's
not kind to them.
For sure that's actually likelimiting the both of you.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Or even to yourself.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
And then stuff starts happening that's bad anyway,
like the cheating or infidelity,absolutely.
Or like treating your partnerthe wrong way, cause you're like
resentful, cause you don't wantto be there.
So it's so valid.
You guys really had mequestioning.
I'm like, oh, like, when wasthe last time I broke someone's
heart?
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I don't know it's hard.
Yeah, I hate it.
Hope I appreciate you guysbeing there.
Thanks forρt.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
What do?
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
you think about, like in general, like we kind of ask
everyone this and I thinkthere's kind of a consensus, but
uh, like the dating in Austin,specifically, yeah, the scene
and the Peter Pan syndrome, likedo you think it's a thing?
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
the answer is definitely a thing.
I mean I don't know if it'slike the types.
I'm going for it first of all.
It's like you kind of get to apoint where you're like is hinge
is, are the dating apps my onlyoption?
Yeah like when do where would Igo?
Yes, go out in the world, butlike where?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Thursday events.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Where are the high value?
Where the high value?
I'm just like my mind just goeslike Austin proper yeah no.
We're not against it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, no, I've never seen any.
I've never seen any cute guysat Austin proper and everyone's
obsessed.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I think it's like you think that that's gonna be the
spot yeah there's a men in suits, yeah, who have their shit
together.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
But I'm like in reality, I know, because I feel
like, like the high value guysaren't even on Dating app.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
No, that's another thing.
It's like I have a friend thattells me like you're not gonna
meet your person on hinge andpart of me is like I'll prove
you well, no, I mean, part of mebelieves that to a degree, and
then the other part of you'slike there's plenty of people
that do yeah, yeah, um.
You're valid but yeah, I mean Itry not to like stress out
(01:01:40):
about it too much.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I feel like, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I do this like come into your life.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yes, I'm sure.
I know like for me lately I'vebeen feeling it so hard because
I'm turning 30 this year.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I'm like fuck, where's my You'll turn 30 and
then you'll realize like yeah,this isn't actually a thing,
like I'm just.
Well, you're not, I'm not anydifferent.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm not gonna find anyone when I'm like freaking
out about it, yeah no, I mean.
I find them when I'm just yes,out about your business.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yeah, and that's what's hard, though it's hard to
get out of that mindset.
Yeah, cuz I know for me and Imaybe you're the same way I feel
like I have everything I needin my life, yeah, like a good,
and like the one thing that Ifeel like is missing is like a
lot of yeah, I love yeah, yeah,I mean I think that's probably a
big reason like yes to bettermyself.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
But like a big reason of like why I wanted to go to
therapy is like I need to get toa place where I'm like the
highest, my highest version ofmyself, like I need to be
someone that, like, I would wantto be in a relationship with,
and part of you's like I'm gonnawork on myself because I know,
ultimately, like that will drawbetter people into my life and
I'm Putting that work in so well, what's the?
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
what's like?
The one red flag that is like aoh, oh, hell, no, like you're.
You're the second, you see it,you're like.
I'm running.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
God.
I mean there's like classic,like if they're talking about
their ex, a lot like Kind of oh,I just like I need a man that
can, like make a decision like I.
I Can make a decision, but Idon't want to.
I want to be led.
You know, I don't cast thisyeah.
I want to lead.
(01:03:22):
So if you're like leaning on me, like, well, what do you want
to do?
I'm like Literally figure itout.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yes, I don't guys back.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Figure it out, or just like something I've tried
to be mindful of, like red flags.
When I'm in the talking stagewith people before I even meet
them, if I'm Talking them off, adating app is like what energy
are you giving me?
Because if you're not giving melike Good energy, now, like I
know you're just gonnadisappoint me.
Yeah you know, it's just likeyou can kind of spot out the
(01:03:52):
fuck.
But I had a man like send methe this.
He was in the sauna and he like, and I hadn't met him and I was
like you've got to be fucking.
I was like you were, you ruinedit like it was going Well this
is done because, like what thehell is that?
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I don't know what, like you don't want me to, like
feel good about myself, whoa, sothat's actually Manipulative.
Now you're turning this on meand making me seem like I Don't
care about your health.
Yeah when really I just don'twant the shirtless sweaty.
Like the shirtless sweaty wasenough, we didn't also need the
bicep.
Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Okay.
So this is something that Iwould say.
I pick up therapy right Like.
Do you openly say like youshould not have sent that
picture, or you're just?
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
like I openly say you ruined it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Okay you ruined everything now Do you explain it
?
Though?
Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Cuz like my juice, so that's another thing I will get
me situations I'm like I don'tfeel like I need to explain to
you Like if you are notself-aware enough to know how
you've done wrong like there'sliterally no point in explaining
it.
Yeah, I agree, I kind of I'vestopped Explaining it, yeah,
because I'm like, if you don'tget it, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, that's the hard thing too is like you.
You can't teach someone to beself-aware.
They know, make that noise.
Yeah so there's no point ineven trying.
I feel like I don't know.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Y'all, both are like this, like yes.
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, there are girls that will.
Yeah, how about it, sister?
But it ain't me, it ain't gonnabe me.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
This was like amazing , like as cool as I thought you
were yesterday.
I'm like even more like girl.
Yeah, you are beautiful insideand out seriously sure and like,
honestly, it's so fun for uscuz like not only do we get to
interview people, but we're likemaking friends.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So fine, I'm hopeful that we can call you a friend
now all this keep you in ournetwork for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Like you are, you're really good talk about, like get
down and talk to people about,like who you are, like have
intentional conversations.
Yeah, and this is fun, yeah,it's like the therapeutic stuff
y'all brought up in thebeginning of the episode this is
felt therapeutic
Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
right level of like again.
I think I said this the lastepisode.
I get to learn a lot from theguest and cast.
I mean this girl, yeah, sheteaches stuff again.
She's not gonna teach you until, but she just how she, how she
does, how she operates.
Yeah me being here here intowomen in power speaking, and you
y'all are both like Killing thegame in your own respective
(01:06:29):
rights, but it's nice for me tobe a part of this conversation,
so like thank you to both of youwell, you too, because it's
nice to have like a good guy,you know that like can listen to
what we're saying and like,have these like collaborative
Conversations because, like whatyou said, like I don't, like in
general I don't like surfacelevel conversations.
Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Yeah, this is way more fun.
Yeah, I'm like let's sit andtalk like yeah, super natural.
Yes, it didn't even that's.
What I love is like when itdoesn't feel like a Podcast it's
the good episodes or when we'rejust.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I mean we're rifting.
Yeah, this is just healthy, Iknow but you got to close this
out.
Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah, you have to close out the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
So we close out every episode with just a simple
saying and we want everybody tocome back next week because we
know it's going down.
Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Shirts that say going down.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Okay here.
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It's what just the front of it just gonna say going
down, okay, and then the back'sgonna be like in the lobby
podcast.
But I feel like it's such alike sexual play yeah it's so
good yeah it's like going down,it's encouraging you to do that.
Oh, that's a good look at you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
That's a good.
Why do they?
Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
forget.
Like what are you thinking?
I don't know, I've dated men.
Like I don't do that.
I don't do that.
I'm like you know what meeither?
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I played the fifth in any kind of what do you do?
I disagree.
bring trauma.
(00:01):
I'm having conversation.
I'm like hey, how's yourfucking week?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And sometimes you're just talking through your
internal dialogue.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Did you know?
There's a study that just cameout and I think it was a Harvard
study.
It was, the more you go to talktherapy and talk about your
problems, the kind of worst itis.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, maybe you start overthinking it.
Yeah, you start overthinking itTotally.
It's, to a degree, right.
It's like you want to beself-aware of them.
Yeah but then not.
I think it's just aboutlearning how to think
differently.
A lot of it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I quit.
I took a break from going totherapy because I just felt like
I was in this loop ofcomplaining about the same shit
and I told my therapist I waslike I have to take a break and
come back once I've made someimprovement.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I feel like I jumped started mine.
I'm now doing just more.
There's also a version, I think, where you're right.
If you answer the same thingtoo many times, people then
start to look at you in therapylike you don't get it Well, and
also.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Then you start to feel stuck.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And then you will think exactly what's wrong with
me.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Why can't I uncover anything else?
A lot of the therapy I do isnot like now I'm in a coaching
thing which is less talk therapy, because I found I was getting
to the point where I was superself-aware of habits I had and
uncovering them wasn't the issue.
It was more like okay, how do Irelease them?
And also just continuouslygetting into a depressive state.
(01:36):
So how do we get out of that?
And a lot of it's been abouther helping me find my
spirituality, because I think Ididn't feel connected to that
side of myself Because I'm notreligious.
I think she says you need to beconnected to something bigger
than yourself to truly bethriving.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
For sure, so a lot of it's a guide with spiritual
practice.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So you guys both do it virtual.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I do virtual and mine is.
I actually do it through betterno better.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh, okay, is yours virtual.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I did it.
I was going in person, but eversince we started the three
month coaching thing I'm goingvirtually, just because it's
just easier.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I like doing it in my own home.
There was something she woulddo to me when I was there in
person she would like align mychakra, like cleanse my aura and
stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
She's like real like.
She's like, yeah, I love thatAwesome.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
How'd you meet that?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I got connected to her through my like primary care
doctor, got it.
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, it is cool.
There are some like parts thatfeel super uncomfortable, right.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Like just when it's all these like new things where
you're like what's the point ofthis?
Like I'll have homework.
Like my homework last week wasto like connect to like either
like a magical creature orsomething and something like in
nature, or like a God or goddessor something, and I'm like what
the hell?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Like okay, come on, golden retriever, that'll be me.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
She's like you could pick unicorns and I'm like
sitting on my couch and I havethis like unicorn safety and I'm
like, okay, this is calling tome, we're going with unicorns.
So like now it's like learningabout the symbolism of unicorns
and like how I am a unicorn.
I don't know, it's just like itsounds a little like cuckoo,
but that it's also reallypowerful in a way.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, I love when, like Kathleen walked in here and
she was like you know, I justcame here to the podcast from
therapy Cause I told her I waslike get ready for round two
100%, because I kind of feellike that's like what podcast
thing is Cause?
you just kind of like sit andlike open up and like therapy.
Really it is yeah, and me andRoger were talking cause, like
(03:47):
we, you know, we try so hard atthis podcast and we put so much
prep into everything and we prepso hard for every guest except
for you, because we got drunkand stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, we had the best prep meeting.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We had the best prep meeting where we were like
literally drinking green beerson St Patrick's Day and I was
telling you, I was watchingRoger's mouth turn greener and
greener.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I know it was a process Like the phlegm got
greener and greener.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I was like I don't want my mouth to look like that,
like if you're gonna find ahusband if there's cute men.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So you're gonna find a husband at Gibson Bar for sure
, Cass.
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
What are you?
Did you see any of you guys?
Cause I did it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I was like in dark homo and I wasn't actually like
to get attention to any of them.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I wasn't either.
But then when we went to theEast side which I never hang out
over there I was like it's likea whole nother universe over
here.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It is it is.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm not used to it.
I go over there, so I feel likeYou'll get more of a mix of
people?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, for sure, but I don't know.
I really like it over there,but I was very confused Like no
one was outside.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
No one was outside.
We were outside, it was rainy.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I've never seen that bar so dead.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of your holiday,
right, like saying I was kind offeeling like yeah, like I yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're on your vine.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I was like I have to embrace it.
I'm like there's no hotter,like redhead to rock with in
Kathleen.
So but anyway, we're so excitedto have you here, we got
Kathleen Killing, Killing You'redoing good.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, I'm trying, you're overthinking it.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
She was like don't emphasize the kill point, and I
was like I'll try my best Likehow do you annunciate your last
name correctly?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Just so that Killing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Killing yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do we have Kathleen or do we have injector Kitty in
the lobby?
What do you guys?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
want.
Like, who do you want to talkto?
I mean, therapy.
Round two is probably we wantKathleen.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's probably more, but I think your brand is it's
dominant and you let's not shyaway from.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
My brand, but I also have tried to be like pretty
authentic in my brand.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That I've created and not try to get you know to like
.
I've tried to present like whoI am, I guess on the internet,
and I just figure, like thepeople, that your people will
gravitate towards you, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You don't have to like.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You have to force them.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Let go I just think you're not going to be
successful if you're forcingthis idea, like of someone that
you really aren't, onto otherpeople.
Mobile People see through thatyou know.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Mobile, I mean, and that's why I wanted you as a
guest, because I startedfollowing you and I was like the
content you're putting out isso cool and I can just tell so
genuine Like I think one of thevideos that really caught my eye
on your page is you were likegetting ready for a date and you
were like showing the process,which we know is like a process
which actually wasn't a date.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Oh, it wasn't no.
At the end I was like justthink I'm going to a wedding by
myself.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Maybe I didn't watch it all the way through.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
No, it's fine to go.
I think it's fine to go.
A wedding by myself.
Whose wedding?
My good friend.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Okay, yeah, congrats.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But I just like resonated with me because, like
watching, like as a woman, it'ssuch a process to get ready and
we were talking about thisyesterday.
It's like if I'm going to put afull face of makeup on.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We better go.
Yeah, I mean shock on the lastepisode me learning about hair
extensions.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, what?
Oh yeah, my hair is a constantstream of anxiety in my life
Like, especially like, havingcolored hair and then I have
extension.
So it's like you always have tolike put color and then match
the extension Are you going toleave it red?
Are we going to go back to thewe're going to do a shift soon
and I'm like not going todisclose what that is, but
(07:34):
mainly out of boredom.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You got to keep them guessing.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I do love my red hair , but it's like, yeah, out of
boredom.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, she's rocked like every hair color, I'm
pretty sure.
Like blonde black, I get bored?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I get bored, and your hair really does like
affect how you feel.
I swear, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That's why I wanted to bring you on too.
It's letting people starttreating you different.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh 100%.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yes, I mean, you see how, like working with your
clients cause you're anaesthetic injector yeah, like
just the smallest things canmake you feel so much better,
whether you know some lip filler, some extensions, whatever it
is and you're growing such ahuge kind of following in Austin
as like being one of the bestinjectors that, like the girls
(08:18):
are wanting to go to.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, I'm seeing guys .
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Roger has like we got to get more guys.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I know I'd be looking at some of these men's
curves feet and I'm like, dearGod, I want you in my chair.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Let me talk to you for a minute.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I don't even think they know.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They don't know, they have no clue.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They don't know, they think they look great yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And now I've learned yesterday after we met, not to
ask what work do you need?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, if you mean it, if you're going to ask that
genuinely and you're not goingto get insulted, sure Like we
can do a consult?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I was scared yesterday.
I'm not even going to lie Causelike before this.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't want people to feel that way around me Like
I don't want people to think I'mlike sitting there over
analyzing their face.
No, but I kind of.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
We're like pre-warning your next day.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I know I have been like Kathleen knew I wanted
filler cause I told her I waslike, yeah, like come on the
podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
If you tell me you want filler, you open up that I
was like come on the podcast butalso do my face.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So then when I saw her yesterday I was like, I was
like, don't look too hard.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I walked away with.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What do we need to do here?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
What'd you say?
You said I want to be snatched.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You want to be snatched.
I was like what is this?
You never heard that.
God Roger, that's been around,I feel like the ultimate cool.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's what they come in right.
Like all the girls want, likethe Bella Hadid.
Like what do you call that?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
There's a lot of people that will like show me
Instagram filters, and I justimmediately try to shut that
down Because there's so manythings going into that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Love.
It's probably not even healthy.
Honestly, it's not healthy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Want to look like that no it's not, but yeah, I
mean, I love my job because it'sjust a lot of making girls feel
more confident in their ownskin and just like giving them
results that are they're stillgoing to feel like themselves.
My goal isn't to morph you intoan Instagram filter or someone
(10:05):
that you're not.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, and then you talk about, like, building your
brand and making it authentic.
Did you I mean for me maybe howlong have you been in Austin?
Because, like, do you feel asif you've gotten your following
just by you just being an adultperson, or I think, both Like
you, being a business woman andadult person.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think part of it, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm sure I have my answer, but I want to hear you,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And then I'm like curious to know what you guys
think.
But like I think I mean I owedefinitely like a big chunk of
the beginning of it, like I wasworking part time for like a
smaller mud spa and kind of likegrowing slowly.
I was like working part timeand doing injectables and then
also doing I was like a laborand deliverator.
So I would do both and that waskind of like a slow build for a
(10:49):
while that I got hired byInjection Room.
They have a huge following andso, like I think at first
there's a big influx from that,but then since then I've just
noticed like growth from justlike putting out content that
I'm proud of and being myself.
You know, I don't know what areyou guys like?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Were you born here?
What's your perception?
I guess I'm from the Bay Area.
Ok yeah, I'm from Californiaand I went to UT, so then I just
never really left.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And did you go there for like a master's undergrad I?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
went there for undergrad.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was like pre-med there OK, and then like but as I
hear a nurse, and I'm like youwent to school forever.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think people think that about you can get like a
bachelor's in nursing as anundergrad degree.
I got like a biology degreeDecided I wanted to like deliver
babies my whole life.
So I was like, obviously I'mjust going to be a gynecologist.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I was like that weird eight year old that was going
to be a gynecologist, but likethen, you know, by the time I
graduated it was hard, like itwas hard to find doctors that
would tell you to be a doctor.
Yeah and that's like not themost encouraging thing, and so
it's kind of like on the fenceabout all that.
My best friend's mom's amidwife, so it's like, okay,
(12:03):
let's go that route.
That's a master's in nursing,so it's like okay, I'll just go
get my nursing degree.
Sure and then did like a 15month accelerated nursing degree
.
Got that, started working inthe hospital, then realized I
don't want to work in thehospital for the rest of my life
.
That's kind of like where thepivot and the career changed.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I feel like this might sound bad, but sometimes I
feel like working in a hospitalis like working in a prison
yeah, like that's becausethere's no windows.
The lighting's really bad.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it's like a really weird environment to be
in it's anxiety and do sit likeI was on night shift.
Who's that's?
what I was gonna ask me alsolike disoriented in a way, and
like I did love what I, I lovedwhat I did, like I loved it in.
Not at that point in my life.
I Think one thing I can likeappreciate so much about what I
(12:55):
do now is like I can be so muchmore myself.
They're very like there's a lotof rules in the hospital that
just kind of make you feelconfined and that you can't
really like express who you arebecause it's unprofessional or
sure.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, well, I feel like that that probably supports
a lot of where you are todayand you being authentic in your
brand.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, like yeah, like I, I got out of that.
I'm not gonna yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm not gonna like continue to let that Be
something that I feel so heavilyof like, feeling like I can't
be myself.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And, honestly, your content does speak that way,
like it shines through thatyou're being like vulnerable and
authentic.
But me, like I don't know ifI'm gonna get injections, I
don't want to ask you thequestion if I get that, I'll
pull you something.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Raju's face apart?
No, that's not I see.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
He's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I see yours, like your page.
I'm like you know what I wouldgo like.
I would trust you.
I love that.
Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's like the best compliment ever, too, is like
when people are like I don'treally know.
I trust you do whatever youwant.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That's like, yeah, ideal, well it's like it's a big
thing, it's a big trust thing.
Like you're, if I'm gonna go toyour.
You know I'm gonna have youmessing with my face, but I like
100% trust you.
Yeah, inject me.
Yeah, it's like the results andthe work that you're sharing,
right, you know what I mean.
Yeah, and Thank you.
I think that's why a lot ofgirls want to go to you, because
you're sharing like the resultsthat you're giving these women,
(14:22):
you know, and they're gettingto kind of see what the process
looks like like you're filmingvideos, what it looks like when
you're injecting.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, foreign after yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I always wanted to be an injector, mm-hmm.
So it's like, oh be, so fun youget to work with women, yeah.
It's like the beauty industry,yeah.
And then I was like, oh shit,like you have to actually have a
nursing degree, right.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, well, in Texas you actually don't.
Okay, I have like the Wild Westout here, but which is, I don't
know I have I'm sure what's the?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
requirements like.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I don't think there is a requirement.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Okay, so I can inject people I get.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I get ads, you can just go Open up a back.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, actually no.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I get ads for like Courses and stuff that are like
take this 60-hour course andbecome an injector, like no
degree necessary, um, the I?
The problem is is like when,when too many, when the industry
gets oversaturated with likepeople that are not trained
properly, that's how theindustry gets like a bad
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reputation for looking fake andyou know there's plenty of like
work that I've had to Correctand then people are spending
even more money on it.
It's just, I don't know, yeah,and I'm sure that hurt, not
ideal.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I always like think about, like Cardi B.
You know she was like and shewas in when she was in Brooklyn.
She was getting like.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Sorry, I mean, I love Cardi, she was getting like ass
injections in a basement.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You know what I mean.
So there's like people doingcrazy.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, shit, that is so unsafe yeah so I mean
ultimately, like, as in it, youneed to know what to do if
something goes wrong.
Right, because stuff can gowrong, and I'm like I take my
job like it's people's face.
Like I really do and then.
So there is like an underlyingSense of anxiety that I think
comes with that, which I thinkthen makes you like a safer
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practitioner, like it.
It's crazy to me that thesegirls I don't want to like get
on like a group of people and belike we shouldn't be doing that
, but it's just like you shouldbe a little bit more scared,
like I don't know why you're notscared and you yeah, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So I guess for me to understand to ladies this might
be helpful, for, just like mycontextual pull from it, you're
doing injections on the frontend right, like somebody wants
to get something fixed on theirface, or yeah, a different way
you're doing injections.
Is there a job for injectionson the back end to like
Something goes wrong?
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Like I get injections, I getsick.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I mean the.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Injector should address that, okay Got it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, the injector should address that got it.
But you know that I've justheard of so many different
situations where, like,something does go wrong Because
they I don't want to say becausethey got something done by
someone who was like unlicensedor sure.
Because that could technicallyhappen to anyone, right.
But then, like I've heard ofsituations where, like that
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Practitioner like blocks theperson like yeah, that's not,
it's just crazy.
Yeah, and then no one.
And then the problem with thatis then no one wants to treat
you to fix it, because itthey're.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Then viable yeah.
Wow well, that helps me tounderstand and I asked the
question because now I see withyour following in your brand,
this is a, this is they'remaking a lifetime commitment to
you.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, I mean that's the goal right define clients
that like will follow me forever.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah and.
It just helps.
It makes more sense.
Yeah, like outside looking in.
Now I'm like no, no, I one,I've already respected you to we
had a blast yesterday.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, I think that's my new favorite way to like prep
for that Do you guys notnormally do that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh, I'm sorry, I kind of special guest.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, yeah, you're the first.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I was glad you all are down.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I was like young, I'm gonna start girl I was, I was
fanboying, I was fanboying.
When she got you, I was like,let's go.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
How'd you get Kathleen?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was like why are you guys talking?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
about normal girl.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And that's now you got this.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
It's so fun yeah but you're like on the pulse of like
the Austin Beauty scene, whichI think is so cool, and even
talking about like fillers.
Like I kind of feel likefillers are like the new Normal.
Yeah, and maybe I'm wrong, butI almost think for women we were
talking about this a little bityesterday like we're
competitive, yeah, like if Stacyover here has got her lips done
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bow tops, you know all thisstuff.
I'm not gonna be like Annie onthe prairie and be trying to
date Austin and not yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, I mean, it's almost sad,like to hear people say this.
In a way, it's like God.
Like you know, I feel likesometimes I have this like guilt
associated with what I do, likeam I perpetuating like an, an
unrealistic standard?
I mean, I hope not, because theresults are not unrealistic but
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it's like I Don't know it.
Just it sucks that people feellike, oh, they have to get it
done right because ultimatelyit's like a luxury service and
so I think the one thing you'vedone that sounds really healthy
is Someone shows you like anInstagram filter.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, like put that away.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think at that point You're being not only
responsible in a such a healthyway.
Yeah you're really being caringtowards the Somebody's face to
set a realistic expectation.
Yeah, because the other half ofit is they get that done, then
they keep coming back to you forthis.
Look right, and the Instagramfilters gonna probably change in
the next six to eight months.
Totally gotta adapt tosomething else totally, and now
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it's botched Right like that'sunfair.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I mean a huge part of like being a good injector is
like knowing when to say no.
Yeah which is always hard.
But it's just like I want tosee the long term for people and
not just like will this lookgood in the moment?
Right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Well, it's all like perception too right, because
for me I look at personally, Ilook at fillers as like
self-care, because I know thatit's gonna like make me.
I know I've had them and I knowwhat it feels like when I get
Botox and I enjoy it.
So it's like something I enjoyin my like self-care routine,
right, but then there's someother people that might judge me
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like you know, oh, she'sputting injectables in her face.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But even sometimes I I mean, yeah, I hope we've like
moved past that, so I do thinkit's gotten a lot better.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I think the people that judge you sometimes, though
, are like the jealous ones yeah, like cuz.
I've even done it myself.
It's like if it wasn'tsomething I could afford.
Yeah, obviously, yeah, jealousat this other girls right doing
it.
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Reception.
It is, I mean, I think, like aGreat place to start, for anyone
is like skin care too.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I think that gets like overlooked sometimes.
I'm like why are we puttingthree syringes in your face when
, like, your skin is not healthy?
Yeah, so I got a.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I got like a little bit of a random insight here
about skin care.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I just recently got this thing where I put it like
on my hair and then wash my face.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
There's like, oh, like, a headband.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
What this thing is the coolest thing about you need
the.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You need the wrist cuffs too.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I, those are like the game change send it to me
Please, like I'm ready.
Yeah, I'm in love with this.
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm is your hairlong?
It.
Yes, it's long.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I have it braided for another episode.
I always have a hat on, so yeah, they do ask me like are you
bald?
Yeah like no, I have a fullhead of hair, yeah, but I just
always have a hat.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh, it's always the bald guys that have the hats.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
And then I'll think they'recute and then I'm like, oh, I
never mind when they know, no,it's a skill.
That's a tough one to get,skill.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah and I.
That's.
That's sad.
I feel bad saying that, youknow, but God, I want to be able
to like look if they could getit, if you can get injections,
you can go get your hair.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You can get yeah, people Well.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, that's another thing and actually like two pays
are on the rise.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, it's not so fixable problem.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, yeah, it is to a degree.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's their choice.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, you can get a turkey love.
Yeah, yourself a transplant.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And one of my guy friends did that and he came
back and I was like what thefuck happened?
Because it looks so Weird afteryou do it like the hair, Mm-hmm
yeah right away but I had somuch respect for him yeah, doing
it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Dude, I was talking to this guy on hinge and like we
hadn't met, what's not, like wewere like vibing over text.
He like, right off the bat,he's like telling me he's not
feeling well Cuz he had thissurgery, and I was like, what
kind of surgery did you have?
And he goes a hair transplant.
Then, boom, sends me a selfieof like his bald head, like all
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red and like Bold, like I waslike I, I'm busy, respect you,
but I am busy.
Yeah, but now I am busy.
That is crazy, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's a good fight for somebody to one want to get
something done for themselves,like I respect that, but at the
same time, I do think it isproblematic if you're going to
lie about it, Like get it doneand tell everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, who cares?
Yeah, you got it done for areason.
Jennifer Lopez says that shedoesn't get like injectables.
Yeah, like all the oil orsomething on her face.
Yeah, I thought I'll see whathappens.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah right, Breakout right.
And she's like, ha ha, I gotyou.
It's that extra version.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, doing the Lord's work.
Her poor injector is probablylike you're going to piss.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Like why are you pissing?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Maybe so mad, it's like how much do you feel like I
think that's something that youhave to kind of like accept is
going to happen?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Do people sign NDAs or anything?
No, or do you make them?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, I mean I'm sure if it was like a celebrity
getting treated, maybe they'dmake you like sign NDA.
I don't know, I feel likethey're.
Most of my patients are likecool with me posting them yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
There's not, like that, celebrity clientele in
Austin, I feel like.
But I think it's evolving.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It is, yeah, the micro, the like.
I don't want to say like beless celebrities.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I feel like this South by Southwest this year,
like I finally saw thecelebrities of like an LA, a New
York come here and like reallyseem overly comfortable.
I mean Connor McGregor was at.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think it's like a fresh air for them.
It is In.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Austin and it felt good this year.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But this year really felt like a good South by
Because if you like, live in LAor New York, like I would
imagine.
You come here and you're likepeople are fucking nice.
What is going on Like out oftheir way nice, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I'm from New York, my first a little bit here.
I was like what's the catch?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, yeah, because I'm nice.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
But they're people are like a different level of
nice.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, it's super easy to make friends here.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
It's hard to get used to.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Well, that's a weird amount too, like with you like
being a beautiful woman and thenworking in aesthetics, like we
talk about this all the time,like I feel like there has to be
like a lot of misconceptionsabout you, like who you are as a
person and then probably inyour dating life as well.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, I think, like in terms of dating.
I mean, this is more like amisconception about like what I
do.
But guys love to be like youknow what kind of nurse are you?
I tell them I'm an injector,which for one I think it's seen
as like OK, you're not a realnurse.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I just fucked up, we're OK.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But then, yeah, guys love to just be like oh, so you
like juice people up with lipfiller.
That's kind of funny, you knowit's like, it's just kind of
like demeaning in a way.
But I'm like, yeah, yes, I haveyou know secretly analyzing,
like, thinking about how manyunits of talks they need, but
like it's just, I don't know.
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So that's like one thing withdating, I guess, like, but I
think they move past it quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Do you feel like?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I feel respected for the most part.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Do you feel like your beauty gets in the way of your
boldness as a businesswoman?
I think people will discountyou.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think like there's times where I felt like people
don't take me seriously or likeI'm seen as like not
professional.
I don't know if that's like acombination of like how I look
or how I dress, but also justlike me being a super like chill
person I'm not good withconfrontation Like any situation
where I've had to be like superformal, like when I would have
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to do like you had to turn it on.
Interviews and I'm wearing workpants, like I feel so out of
like.
This isn't me.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then, like, as I'm saying that, I'm like is
that something that is thatmaybe like me projecting my own
insecurities onto me and makingme think that, like people see
me that way?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I don't know, like I haven't really, but that's
healthy accountability too, likeI think.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
We talk about therapy all the time and us embracing
it.
That's such an emotionallyaware way to look at a scenario
like that.
Like you're, like you're givingthe benefit of the doubt both
ways to say OK, well, if you dothink of me that way, I hear you
I see you.
If you don't, and that's me.
I could still work on me andthat me Right.
Right, but you still show up,that's the bottom line yeah.
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Like showing up, is that?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
that costs you nothing.
I mean the way I also Every youjust being like myself and
stuff is like yeah, that mightmean that some people don't take
me seriously, but then thosepeople probably like aren't for
me.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know, like I think there's a huge group of
people that gravitate towards mebecause they feel like
comfortable and not like sointimidated by I mean the meds
pause, intimidating.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh yeah, I've been in one so.
Yeah, but I didn't think aboutthat Now that you said that I'm
like oh, the meds pause.
Intimidating, that's true.
Yeah, because I think about you.
Know, you're walking in thereas a woman, maybe thinking that
you want to, like, do somethingto your face.
It's like beautiful women thatwork there.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You might be going oh , I've had so many patients that
feel like that say to me like Ifeel like I don't belong here
and I'm like yeah, I'm like,that's just not, that's not.
It makes me sad that, like ifthat's the impression we're
giving off because that's notthe case, no, I think that's
like an internal, likeinsecurity, oh for sure, and
their worthiness or whatever.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, because like there's so many women that, like
you know, they go through adivorce or a breakup or and then
it's like that's a lot of timesI feel like when women go in to
go get filler things done islike looking for that sense of
yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So you're telling me if I got through a breakup I
should go get fillers, because Ithink I'm going to do it
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
If it feels this good , maybe I think like 10 units of
Botox would a guy would be likeshocked by how good you would
feel, I don't know.
More like 75.
Oh, 75.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
She's like you got a big forehead.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, that's like definitely.
A lot of people are like I get25 units, I'm like, ok, well, I
would do 50.
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Because I grew up like Lake Travis area.
Yeah, and it's sorry, excuse me, it's kind of like a weird
bubble to grow up in.
Yeah, because I remember thegirls that I went to high school
with.
They were getting Botox out,like that's crazy 21.
Oh, yeah, and I was like shit.
Like do I need to be gettingBotox at 21?
Like it was a different.
They're getting boob jobs inhigh school, I know.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I'm from like.
I grew up in a pretty bluecollar town, predominantly Irish
.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
OK.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And I'm telling you this was.
I was not exposed to this, youweren't no.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I thought you were saying all those football
players wanted trophy-wide.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, that my hometown.
My hometown was different thanthe school I was to.
Oh, because I went to highschool in New Jersey, but my
hometown was separate.
So it was I lived in New York,went to school in Jersey.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And these guys definitely the guys were walking
around with Whomever.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
They thought it's like crazy though, like how many
men like don't want theirsignificant other to get work
done which is so interesting tome?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then like it's a slippery slope.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
To clarify, like before I say this I do not hate
men, I think they're good onesout there, but it's just like
very hypocritical because thenthose are the same guys that
probably like go choose ayounger, like harder version
when the time comes, it's likeOK.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's where I think it's a slippery slope yeah.
Because that same guy who saysno, you're like you're a
hypocrite.
Now look at your next choice.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, I have so many like dirty thoughts going
through my mind because Iremember I don't even know if I
should say this on here, but I'mjust going to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, don't say the name, so.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
OK.
So like my ex, I remember Istarted dating him and I went to
go get my lips done.
He was kind of like why are youdoing that?
Yeah, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, they view it as , like you're insecure, you're
wanting to like change somethingabout yourself and like yeah,
and I told him I was like, justwait until I use the monulator,
and yeah.
And then he liked him.
So right now, no one has evercomplained about the lips.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
He told me he was like I'll pay for it.
Oh my gosh, that was likeperfect.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my God that is funny.
Like that is that is one thinglike I can't do a man with paper
thins, and that's something Imaybe need to, you know with
white.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's my super favorite lips.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I don't like kissing a thin lip.
That makes sense.
Me either, I don't, no.
Sorry guys, this is the bestCome see me.
And then we can consider it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Do straight guys ever get lip filler?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yes, Does it look?
I yeah, no, it can be like lipfiller can look.
So it's so people, that's likea big misconception I was like
like it takes a lot of lipfiller to start looking crazy.
Yeah, and obviously like ifit's done poorly.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
but I think that may be another thing too.
Like one thing yeah judgment oflike don't get it done.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, because they don't want.
They want their girl to benatural.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Like mentally they go to probably.
Yeah, oh, you're going to looklike a fake.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But you're doing work where I mean there's something.
I believe you had a post whereit's like showing the before and
after where it looks so natural.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
It seems like that's what you focus on For sure, like
lip filler.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I mean lip filler too .
Like can have such a power andlike balancing the face.
Yeah if someone has like afuller face, like some more
attention to their lips can likechange everything for them in
terms of their confidence, andthen like a lot of, what I do
too is like just understandingthe aging process and then kind
of I think a filler as likerestoring volume that is lost as
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we age.
As we age, like our bone shrink, our muscle shrinks, everything
starts kind of falling.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
And so a lot of it's just kind of like restorative.
Do you ever like host trainingfor other?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
No, I haven't gotten to that point.
I'm sure I will do that.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I'm like other injectors, would be so lucky.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah exactly Because I'm sitting here learning.
I love how that's so sweet.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, I feel like it's even like the social media
aspect.
Like you know, eventually, whenyou get to a place in your
career, like the stuff thatyou're doing on social media,
it's like there's so manyaspects of being an injector and
running your business.
That's not just the injecting,you know.
It's like showing your clientsthere before and afters and like
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really building that brand foryourself Totally.
And there's probably like a lotof people starting out that
don't understand what all reallygoes into it.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh, yeah, I mean, the industry is like very, very
glamorized as well.
Yeah, Do you feel so?
I think there's like a lot ofpeople, like nurses that
probably want to like me, likewant to get out of the hospital,
see how like glamorized thisindustry is, and then think, oh,
like I want to do that, andthen you know it's still there's
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still, it's a job like any job.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Can I ask a wild one?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Ask a wild one.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What who's like?
You've worked many lives in theworld of nursing.
What's your worst clientexperience or patient?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
experience, that's hard.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Like there's gotta be one.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I know there's gotta be like one that stands out
right.
I mean I think I don't know.
I mean I'm so pumped.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I think if you don't have one, I have one, you have
one for me.
Yeah, because?
So I matched with this guy on adating app the other day and
he's a trauma nurse and I askedhim.
I was like what's the worstthing you've seen?
He's probably like so annoyed,probably like you are.
Like all the nurses get askedthat fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Oh, I was an L&D nurse so everyone thought I knew
everything about STDs and I waslike, love, you need to go get
a test and you go to a doctorand then get an antibiotic
script.
This is so out of the pie.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I can't help you.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So this guy that I was talking to.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
He said he saw a foot fall off someone and then like
why am I even talking about,like I'm gonna get myself in
trouble today You're violatinghip-or-rex, yeah?
And then he saw like a poolball stuck up you know somewhere
it shouldn't be.
And I'm like how does this shithappen?
I know that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, that's the other thing too, like how much
embellishment is there, becausethis guy could have just totally
been.
There's not, like that'sprobably fact.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Probably love to stick stuff up their butt.
Yeah, they do.
It's weird, I know.
I know it's not just likeGrey's Anatomy, like I know,
this happens in real life.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That was my favorite show as a kid.
Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's so good.
I remember when Mcdreamy diesand it's like wow, oh yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Doctor Mcdreamy, like he was everyone's favorite no,
yeah, it went downhill.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
He thinks out he wanted to believe in this love
story, and then it just.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, he's here in Austin sometime.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Is he no way?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, he goes to like all the F1 races.
Okay, I feel like I have seenthat.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I need to get there, like apparently that's the place
to be.
Like, why where's my invite?
We should go.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, let's go to.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
F1.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Someone sponsor me and Kathleen I know.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Please sponsor our trip there.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I'll buy my ticket.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Roger's ticket.
We are there simply to likeexist Be scheme.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah be scheme.
Well, that's what I mean theindustry that you're in.
Do you feel like a pressure tolike show up to your job looking
a certain way Honestly?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Great question, no Okay.
Well, you're so naturallybeautiful, I am just I'm not
someone to like put on a beatevery day Like I'll go to work,
like I think that's one thingabout like skincare, though.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Is like when you have good skin, you feel like I
don't need to wear makeup.
I mean, I have lash extensionsthat helps Sure, I don't know.
I don't wanna show up feelinglike this pressure to be glam
every day.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's not realistic you know, then I guess I'll ask
the same question you just asked, but differently.
Where do you feel like you haveto have your emotional
availability at a maximumcapacity when you get to work?
Because it feels like you're aversion of someone's therapist?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, in some ways.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
And also their nurse.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
In some ways.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Like does it ever?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
drain you.
Yeah, you'll learn to do that.
I think I'm naturally prettyempathetic and just good with
people.
I mean I say good, I don't saythat in a bragging way.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think it's more like I can relate to people
easily.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And then a lot of the girls too that come to see me.
They came to see me becausethey felt somehow connected to
what they're seeing on theinternet or their friend
referred them or something.
So there's a natural connection.
That happens with most peopleright off the bat, and if it
doesn't, then it doesn't.
But I don't feel like.
(38:34):
I mean I would say at the endof the day, sometimes you don't
want to go out and be socialbecause you've been talking to
people all day, but I don't seeit as, like most days, that I'm
at work unless I'm down bad orsomething I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Because then it's like, how does that play into
your dating too?
Because, you go from your nineto five.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I would say being a nurse, dating this is, more
generally, not really somethingthat applies to aesthetics, but
being a nurse, I think you havea natural tendency to want to
take care of people and be anurturing person, and so a lot
of that is like I'll give thatto men a lot of the times, and
sometimes I have to check myselfand be like no, you need that
(39:10):
too.
You can't just be the one takingcare of people all the time or
building them up.
You want to be with someonethat can give that to you in
return.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah.
Do you feel like you'rehyper-independent when?
You're dating people.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think hyper-independent, like how.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Because it sounds like you have this caretaker
kind of mentality from being anurse and I feel like it's so
hard as women when we havecareers and we're going hard at
work all day and then we want totake care of people, it's so
hard to be soft and let a mantake care of us.
Yeah, and I know for me I'vedeveloped this
(39:57):
hyper-independence where Iforget, oh, I can lean on a man.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I think that absolutely is something I would
fall into Slash.
Also, I think as women, we'realmost trained to be, and I
don't know if this is just likeAustin I mean, I know it's not
just Austin.
I do think there's a lot of menin Austin that struggle with
being masculine.
So then, as women, ourmasculinity can take over and it
(40:32):
can use sometimes to feel like,oh, I have to be like this, or
they're not going to like me, orthey're going to get.
It's going to be too much workfor them, or something.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
There's a sense of attraction to that.
I think it's nice.
It's nice to know that samething hopefully.
I don't want to overeat oroverestimate my boundary, but I
think it's nice when a man is intune with his femininity.
Oh, absolutely, because me, asa guy a woman in tune with her
(41:02):
masculinity is just the mostpowerful thing.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, it's attractive , it is, it's powerful, but I
had someone tell me the otherday that I'm ferocious.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh my, god, what the hell.
Maybe I need to comment.
I don't think.
How do they mean that?
Because I don't think he's notwrong, he's not wrong he knows
me so well.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
What was the context?
He's a friend of my exes and hewas like I see why your ex
couldn't put up with you,couldn't handle you.
He was like you're fuckingferocious.
And I was like, yes, becauseI'm a lot and so I need someone.
I kind of need someone thatputs me in my place a little bit
walks me off the edge.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
But you're so sweet, honestly, she says it all the
time.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Ferocious is the wrong one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
She's such a sweetheart, her delivery may
hurt you.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
She may cut you real quick.
Sad, oh, yes, what's yours?
Yeah, that's fine, I'm acapricorn.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I'm a cancer.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Wow, we got a mix of energy.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Huge mix here.
Yeah, I'm the big baby of thebunch.
I think y'all will survive.
I'll just hotline, bling y'alland be like help me.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know what I always do Whenever I start
liking someone, I'll actually Iknow nothing about the
horoscopes, but I'll startgoogling the compatibility.
It's just so embarrassing, noyou have to dude All the time.
I believe in some of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
It's so spot on.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah, I know You're very spot on.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's what I love about Roger.
I also have not talked topeople when I find out they're
sad.
Yeah, there's no point.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Roger's such a cool guy because I'll be like, oh,
you know, horoscopes in the moonand energy and woo, woo, woo.
And he's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm into all of it.
I'm like look at this video Ijust saw.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I love that, because some guys, you know, I don't
like when men are like.
I don't want to hear like yeahon judging you for bringing that
up.
Yeah, don't judge somethingthat you truly know nothing
about.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Tell them, Kathleen yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And I think the other thing is, and then you just say
oh, that's a very Gemini thingof you to say If you want to be
petty.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, we'll get right back.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You brought something else up to you the other day
human design.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
And I think that's so important.
It's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I don't know.
I would recommend oh, that's arabbit hole, so it's based.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, it's very cool.
It's based on your birth chartin the sense of like you kind of
you can find out what you'rehuman designed and by like
plugging in your where you'reborn and what time and
everything.
It's not astrology, but it'ssimilar in the sense of like it
kind of tells you the best waysto like expand your energy, the
best ways to interact with theworld, the best ways for you to
like make decisions.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
And it kind of.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
It's very like validating, like if you're
someone who's done a lot of likework on themselves and then you
go to that and you're like, ok,this is what this validates.
Like, why am that way?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Have you, have you ever done like an enneagram test
?
Mm-mm, I would think it's likethe same thing.
Enneagram is like a personalitytest and it sounds similar to
like human design.
But I took an enneagram testwhen I was on mushrooms and so I
felt like my answers werereally authentic.
But after I got my results itmade like me understand myself
(44:17):
at like such a deeper level.
So that sounds like what humandesign she just explained it so
yeah, the energy output.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I think that's important.
Yeah it's like you get to seethe way in which you express or
output your energy and how itaffects you.
Yeah, yeah versus how youprobably should regulate it in
certain environments, and alsothe way you receive energy.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Take a test.
I'll send you a link.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, you don't even have to take a test.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I'm going to put the link in the show notes and you
have to do a little bit ofresearch too, Like you have to
like it'll.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
whatever link I send you, it'll tell you what you are
, and then I like research.
What an individual thing meant.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, if that makes sense.
It almost like promotes you towant to do the research.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Because it gives it to you, and then you're like
what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, you're learning about yourself, but I don't
know, it's been cool.
It's like my.
I think I'm like a manifestinggenerator or something.
It tells me like for me, likemy gut, decision making is very
sacred, and that's like very inalignment with like how I felt
(45:26):
that I've made my best decisionsand then I go.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
I learned this I learned this.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
And then I like was in a situation with a guy where
I just was, like I wasn'tfeeling it.
I get in these situations too,like me digressing for a second,
where I'm like this is the typeof guy I should date.
Like he has a shit together,he's not 27.
He like he wants a relationshipand like then I'll find myself
like uninterested, probablybecause it's more about the
(45:56):
person.
I mean.
Maybe I don't know, we weretalking about that yesterday.
Like, is that a reflection ofme?
I don't know.
I think it's more just aboutthe person.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I need the Kathleen button in my pocket.
You're fucking funny.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Wait, but okay, you like older guys or younger guys?
Are you drawn to?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
one.
I feel like I'm drawn to, likevery youthful energy.
So then I like why do I?
But I can't.
I'm 30.
I can't like go for the 26 yearold too.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I do it too, though Lives, yeah, no, it's like I
think, because I think I'm soyoung in my head.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
You do not look 30.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
That's crazy.
Yeah, I hope not.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's like when you feel like you have a young
energy, like I don't want to bedating like a 50 year old man.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And there's like it seems that there's too, like a
there's a shift in terms ofgenerations, Like I feel like up
until like I'm sure it alsoobviously depends on the person,
but there's that shift aroundlike 36 or something where I'm
like you don't get me.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
You don't understand the way that I talk.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, you don't fully .
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I feel like they're like my parents.
Sometimes I'm like because I'lltalk about something they don't
even know what I'm talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I'm like okay, never mind, I had a friend who she
just broke up with a guy I thinkhe was like 39, and she may be
like 28, 29.
And same thing you just said,Like she was like there was just
a disconnect.
There was a disconnect and likewatching a music video yes, or
like you don't think the samememes are funny.
Yeah, like it was just simpleshit.
(47:28):
She was like it actually becamean ick.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, it can become an ick.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, because she was like for sure.
I'm over here having to explainsimple shit to you.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
No, yes, I know.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I think it's like because it's for me like so,
like I love like 2000,.
Like old school trap, rap, hiphop, yeah.
And it's like you know there'sbeen guys I dated who like
really related to that, Likethey'll listen to some ludicrous
or usher yeah, because it'slike we grew up with that Right.
And then if I'm talking tosomeone that like never listened
to that music, it's like I justdon't know, can you turn it off
(47:59):
?
Yeah, yeah, I'm like mm.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I'm actually gonna turn it out.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, or they'll play you like.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Listen to this David Bowie song.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, like what.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
You're like queen, yeah, and like I, like all of it
.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
I don't wanna, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I'm going to the gym.
I'm not trying to hear DavidBowie, nor queen.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I'm just like.
I don't mean it's notuncultured, it's just I didn't
grow up with that.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I feel like the younger guys kind of.
I feel like they like worshipme more, not worship.
There is that sense too.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It's like oh Until you've been like fucked over by
too many men yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
You're like no, it actually doesn't really matter
yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
And it's the same from a male's perspective.
Yeah, I think it's just amatter of like, what is being
fucked over, look like, andusually it's, the guy is not
willing to be accountable, andthen he ends up throwing the
fucking wrench in the bomb.
The bomb blows up and then it'slike, well, you have that guy
on your face, but at the sametime, to be fair, if there's
something that goes wrong wherethere's that age discrepancy
(48:56):
from high to low, low to high,whatever it is, I do think it's
ultimately a matter of like,respecting someone's timeline.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Like, if I'm gonna date someone older, you may know
music that I don't know.
And I may know music, you don'tknow.
If I date someone younger, samething.
I'm gonna probably try toprotect their frontal lobe a
little bit more.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
And then the older person.
I want you to protect myfrontal lobe a little bit more,
right.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I mean ultimately too , if you like.
Care about the person enoughlike you're gonna wanna learn
their world and the way thatthey think.
But I do think that's like athing with dating older guys.
I mean, I think the therapistanswer would be that, like I
would date people that areyounger than me or don't have
(49:40):
their shit together, the peoplethat I feel maybe in some
subconscious level are beneathme, because then they can't
really hurt me.
Oh shit.
That would be like you're gonnago for the 25 year old because
at the end of the day, like hemight make you sad for two days
and you know you can get better.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Maybe he's hot.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Maybe he's just really sexy too, maybe he's
really hot.
Yeah, maybe he's like six four.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
It's a six yeah, like six, four yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
That's deep.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I mean, I have like a very specific type, so I think
that would probably like get meinto like little traps, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Same.
We were talking about that.
I'm like, I like the onepercent which is like a man.
That's like six, four makesover a hundred thousand dollars.
Yeah, it's like the one guythat 500 women want.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
She sent me this one time and then it was like a lot
of her exes are tall, causeshe's tall, yeah.
So she had said that I'll tellyou.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Okay, I say five, 10, but I actually think I'm more
like five, 11.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, I think you're five, 11.
Six five.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
But I had back surgery and I think it made me
grow Really.
What I'm not happy about?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
but it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
No good thing, yeah, and then I still will like run
around in like five inch hillsand then I'm like, why the fuck,
are these men so short?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
That's like powerful, that there's something like so
powerful about like a tall.
Yeah, but I'm wearing the heels.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
She said something like that, you little peasants
yeah, I didn't realize it's hardfor her to date because I'm
sure She'll sometimes like meetprobably good to great quality
guys.
From what you expand to me,yeah, and then I'm like yeah,
there's a desire for somethingsomeone taller yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I think the thing that's always going through
Roger's head is like who isfucking cast?
Speaker 1 (51:18):
because Because he brings a.
I don't get it.
I literally don't get it.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I just but I'm so particular yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Well, I mean she's.
She has our own personal lifeand, mind you, we have a
friendship but also a businessrelationship, Like we're very
interpersonal and definitelyexplain things to each other.
But there's a line where it'slike I kind of don't want to
know, Like I yeah, I don'trespect her so much, where I'm
like Cass, unless you're introuble, like I don't need to
hear about who you're banging.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Right, yeah, I'm the entertainment for my whole
office.
I'll say that, but then again,if she's in trouble, I want to
be the first call.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I want you to be like come beat this man up.
I'll be like I got you Give me10.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
There's something about like the male female
friendship dynamic.
It's like maybe I don't want toknow everything, yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
But he would know if I like someone 100%.
They would get brought around,roger.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
And I'd be like, I'd be like Roger, you knew him.
Yeah, Bring him on the show, oh.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I'm a grill, I'm crazy.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
That would be and a respectful.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
That will be an epic episode, oh yeah, that's what
scares me because, like we kindof touch on dating on the show,
because we have, like oursponsor, thursday dating, it's
like a dating app.
That's not a dating app.
Okay, and so.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
You'd actually enjoy it and you thrive in the
environment.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, because you like meet people in person but
like wait what?
Yeah?
So Roger's.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
What.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
The app only works one day a week.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Only on Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And then you would basically buy your ticket to
attend an event.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
But how many times have you been on a date and like
your first 10 to 15 minutesyou're like I do not like this.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
But you got like, you got to ride it out.
I can do it.
Yeah, you got to ride it out.
Yeah, instead, at a Thursdayevent, you can go to one of
these Thursday dating events.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Is it like a speed dating?
Speaker 1 (53:00):
It's not speed dating , it's more or less like just
access to other signals, so Areyou like matching with them for?
You can match on Thursday.
You can use the app, you canmatch with them, you can talk
with them and then, hopefully,you both buy a ticket to the
same event.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Right, right, right In the same city.
Okay.
So like, yeah, he hosts themlike everywhere, so it could be
like at the codependent, forexample, or like a workout class
, and you go there and you knowthat, like everyone else there,
at that time, pretty much islike single.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
So it's like that.
It's kind of nice Because Ijust go with some friends and if
there's like a hot guy andthere's less pressure.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes, so in the 10, 15 minutes, like if they're
fucking weird, you're like, hey,I'm gonna slide down.
I mean I told y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I'm like encouraging the FaceTime, the FaceTime.
I wanna assess the vibe.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, I like that, but it's also it's a safe
environment, and then it's crazyhow many dudes will not
FaceTime you back.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
I'm like what does that say about you?
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I just it's interesting, like like I love
phone calls and people don'tlike them anymore.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
No, I love, I know I love a phone call.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I'm on the phone.
It's more yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's more efficient and you can like assess,
actually, like how I'm feeling,like, oh my God, like, if you
have to like say something tosomeone that's like hard to say,
do not text it.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well then, I guess I'd ask you both right, like
what's your love language?
Cause I feel like I'm qualitytime, but like what what's yours
?
Cause I don't know if I getquality time on the phone.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
They're so interesting yeah they are
Because.
I don't.
I have a hard time like pouringinto people with the ones that
I don't resonate with.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Cause like, so, like words of affirmation, like I
don't need someone to tell meI'm pretty and I'm so great,
cause I do that for myself.
So then it's like the men thatneed that.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
I'm not feeding your ego motherfucker, really Totally
.
Yeah, so I don't know, not atthe beginning, you're a funny
guy.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
You're a funny guy, not at the beginning.
We can't be having them afterthat.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
I'm all about like the, the push and pull.
Yeah, like kind of like thefemme fatale, like I'm not going
to give it all to you rightaway.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
So, but like mine, quality time and physical touch
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, I mean I would say the same, plus a little bit
of words of affirmation, like Iwould like to be like reassured.
It's not someone, it's not thatI need someone complimenting me
, but it is nice.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I just like to check in.
I want to know we're on thesame.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
When you want to be someone that you feel like
appreciated.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I mean that's part of it but definitely like physical
touch and quality time.
I'm like a clingy bitch.
If I like someone, I hear youbeing dog.
I want to be with you all thetime.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I think that's how, like, not.
I think that's how you knowwhen you like someone, though,
yeah, it's like you don't wantto leave their side.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
You want to spend time and you want to get to know
them in all environments rightRight.
Like that makes it fun.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Cause, then you can go home and you you're able to
reflect on the day yeah.
Be like what'd you think ofthat person, What'd you think of
this Totally?
And then it's fun.
Yeah, it's like a TV show.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
It's not even like I don't even think it's unhealthy,
cause there's like been peopleI dated and like we liked each
other and then we just neverseparated, yeah.
And then there's also beenpeople where I felt like I had
to play the game a little bitand like what?
I don't like that feeling.
I don't know, do you ever playthe game?
Or oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
I feel like you got the game.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I feel like you've got the game.
I'm not gonna say that, but I'mlike I've been single for so
long and I'm like that's what Iwas going to ask you.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I'm not doing something like how long?
Like four years?
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Okay.
So your last relationship wasfour years ago, or that was like
the last I've had like flingsin between them, but I don't
think I've like ever since thatrelationship like truly called
someone my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
What happened when we went to Juicy shit?
Speaker 2 (56:41):
I mean, it's not like that juicy, Like, literally, I
went to a wedding with him thenight before.
You know, I was tipsy, I wastalking about our wedding
situation, he, that might havefreaked him out, I don't know.
We were 26.
Like.
Like eight, like a year and ahalf or so, okay, and then, like
(57:03):
embed, the next morning I didlike a check in.
I don't know Like I look backon this and I'm like what called
me to do that.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Something subconsciously like called me to
do this.
But I was like, hey, babe, likehow are you feeling?
Like are you happy Like tell meabout, like just having like a
healthy little feedback aboutour relationship?
And he's like I think I want tobreak up.
No, tough.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Tough Like no warning signs for me and did he hit you
.
You know, people ask you likelooking back, like do you wear
their signs that you didn't see?
I'm like, maybe, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Was it like I think I want to break up and we are
going to break up?
Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, it was like it was.
We are going to break up.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
So that's like.
It's always hard when someoneputs you in that position of
like it's a hard, no, like,there's no talking through it.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
At the end of the day , I don't want to like fight a
man to like want to be with me.
I'm not trying to convince youto want to be with me.
I mean we have like a goodrelationship now.
It wasn't like ugly.
I definitely like continue tohook up with him to the point
where I was like very numb to it.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Did you think that like that was going to be your
person Like?
Speaker 2 (58:16):
I think at the time you feel like that's your person
, like that was probably likethe first time I was like in
love as an adult of like who Iam now.
I was like the only other likeserious relationship I had was
in college and like I did lovehim so much but I grew out of
like I was kind of the one whoinitiated the end of that one.
So it was like that was thefirst probably like true
(58:37):
heartbreak situation.
But I mean, it's like you lookback at I look back at myself at
26 and I'm like differentperson.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
I give it to y'all too.
It's like I've heard you speakabout it and now hearing you as
well.
I've always struggled with likehow do I break up?
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, oh, it's so hard to break up with someone.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
It's so hard.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
It's awful.
Like I don't sometimes I'll bein those positions and I'm like
I wish I was on the other side.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah, I get clammy.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
I get weird.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
I'm like I'm too big to be this awkward.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, plus, like your cancer, like you're probably
like I feel so much for theother person.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yes.
Like, I'm just like, but then Iend up ruining it cause I'm
like I should have ended it somuch longer ago.
But I care too much.
I'm like I want you to be good,yeah, and I could stay and help
, but I'm probably doing thisand this without you.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
I think like the biggest thing to realize, like
when you feel the need to end itwith someone but you're scared
to do it is like I'm not servingthis person by staying in their
life.
You really I'm not like I don'twant to be here, like that's
not kind to them.
For sure that's actually likelimiting the both of you.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Or even to yourself.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
And then stuff starts happening that's bad anyway,
like the cheating or infidelity,absolutely.
Or like treating your partnerthe wrong way, cause you're like
resentful, cause you don't wantto be there.
So it's so valid.
You guys really had mequestioning.
I'm like, oh, like, when wasthe last time I broke someone's
heart?
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I don't know it's hard.
Yeah, I hate it.
Hope I appreciate you guysbeing there.
Thanks forρt.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
What do?
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
you think about, like in general, like we kind of ask
everyone this and I thinkthere's kind of a consensus, but
uh, like the dating in Austin,specifically, yeah, the scene
and the Peter Pan syndrome, likedo you think it's a thing?
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
the answer is definitely a thing.
I mean I don't know if it'slike the types.
I'm going for it first of all.
It's like you kind of get to apoint where you're like is hinge
is, are the dating apps my onlyoption?
Yeah like when do where would Igo?
Yes, go out in the world, butlike where?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Thursday events.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Where are the high value?
Where the high value?
I'm just like my mind just goeslike Austin proper yeah no.
We're not against it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, no, I've never seen any.
I've never seen any cute guysat Austin proper and everyone's
obsessed.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I think it's like you think that that's gonna be the
spot yeah there's a men in suits, yeah, who have their shit
together.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
But I'm like in reality, I know, because I feel
like, like the high value guysaren't even on Dating app.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
No, that's another thing.
It's like I have a friend thattells me like you're not gonna
meet your person on hinge andpart of me is like I'll prove
you well, no, I mean, part of mebelieves that to a degree, and
then the other part of you'slike there's plenty of people
that do yeah, yeah, um.
You're valid but yeah, I mean Itry not to like stress out
(01:01:40):
about it too much.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I feel like, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I do this like come into your life.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yes, I'm sure.
I know like for me lately I'vebeen feeling it so hard because
I'm turning 30 this year.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I'm like fuck, where's my You'll turn 30 and
then you'll realize like yeah,this isn't actually a thing,
like I'm just.
Well, you're not, I'm not anydifferent.
Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm not gonna find anyone when I'm like freaking
out about it, yeah no, I mean.
I find them when I'm just yes,out about your business.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yeah, and that's what's hard, though it's hard to
get out of that mindset.
Yeah, cuz I know for me and Imaybe you're the same way I feel
like I have everything I needin my life, yeah, like a good,
and like the one thing that Ifeel like is missing is like a
lot of yeah, I love yeah, yeah,I mean I think that's probably a
big reason like yes to bettermyself.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
But like a big reason of like why I wanted to go to
therapy is like I need to get toa place where I'm like the
highest, my highest version ofmyself, like I need to be
someone that, like, I would wantto be in a relationship with,
and part of you's like I'm gonnawork on myself because I know,
ultimately, like that will drawbetter people into my life and
I'm Putting that work in so well, what's the?
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
what's like?
The one red flag that is like aoh, oh, hell, no, like you're.
You're the second, you see it,you're like.
I'm running.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
God.
I mean there's like classic,like if they're talking about
their ex, a lot like Kind of oh,I just like I need a man that
can, like make a decision like I.
I Can make a decision, but Idon't want to.
I want to be led.
You know, I don't cast thisyeah.
I want to lead.
(01:03:22):
So if you're like leaning on me, like, well, what do you want
to do?
I'm like Literally figure itout.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yes, I don't guys back.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Figure it out, or just like something I've tried
to be mindful of, like red flags.
When I'm in the talking stagewith people before I even meet
them, if I'm Talking them off, adating app is like what energy
are you giving me?
Because if you're not giving melike Good energy, now, like I
know you're just gonnadisappoint me.
Yeah you know, it's just likeyou can kind of spot out the
(01:03:52):
fuck.
But I had a man like send methe this.
He was in the sauna and he like, and I hadn't met him and I was
like you've got to be fucking.
I was like you were, you ruinedit like it was going Well this
is done because, like what thehell is that?
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I don't know what, like you don't want me to, like
feel good about myself, whoa, sothat's actually Manipulative.
Now you're turning this on meand making me seem like I Don't
care about your health.
Yeah when really I just don'twant the shirtless sweaty.
Like the shirtless sweaty wasenough, we didn't also need the
bicep.
Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Okay.
So this is something that Iwould say.
I pick up therapy right Like.
Do you openly say like youshould not have sent that
picture, or you're just?
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
like I openly say you ruined it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Okay you ruined everything now Do you explain it
?
Though?
Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Cuz like my juice, so that's another thing I will get
me situations I'm like I don'tfeel like I need to explain to
you Like if you are notself-aware enough to know how
you've done wrong like there'sliterally no point in explaining
it.
Yeah, I agree, I kind of I'vestopped Explaining it, yeah,
because I'm like, if you don'tget it, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, that's the hard thing too is like you.
You can't teach someone to beself-aware.
They know, make that noise.
Yeah so there's no point ineven trying.
I feel like I don't know.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Y'all, both are like this, like yes.
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, there are girls that will.
Yeah, how about it, sister?
But it ain't me, it ain't gonnabe me.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
This was like amazing , like as cool as I thought you
were yesterday.
I'm like even more like girl.
Yeah, you are beautiful insideand out seriously sure and like,
honestly, it's so fun for uscuz like not only do we get to
interview people, but we're likemaking friends.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So fine, I'm hopeful that we can call you a friend
now all this keep you in ournetwork for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Like you are, you're really good talk about, like get
down and talk to people about,like who you are, like have
intentional conversations.
Yeah, and this is fun, yeah,it's like the therapeutic stuff
y'all brought up in thebeginning of the episode this is
felt therapeutic
Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
right level of like again.
I think I said this the lastepisode.
I get to learn a lot from theguest and cast.
I mean this girl, yeah, sheteaches stuff again.
She's not gonna teach you until, but she just how she, how she
does, how she operates.
Yeah me being here here intowomen in power speaking, and you
y'all are both like Killing thegame in your own respective
(01:06:29):
rights, but it's nice for me tobe a part of this conversation,
so like thank you to both of youwell, you too, because it's
nice to have like a good guy,you know that like can listen to
what we're saying and like,have these like collaborative
Conversations because, like whatyou said, like I don't, like in
general I don't like surfacelevel conversations.
Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Yeah, this is way more fun.
Yeah, I'm like let's sit andtalk like yeah, super natural.
Yes, it didn't even that's.
What I love is like when itdoesn't feel like a Podcast it's
the good episodes or when we'rejust.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I mean we're rifting.
Yeah, this is just healthy, Iknow but you got to close this
out.
Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah, you have to close out the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
So we close out every episode with just a simple
saying and we want everybody tocome back next week because we
know it's going down.
Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Shirts that say going down.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Okay here.
Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It's what just the front of it just gonna say going
down, okay, and then the back'sgonna be like in the lobby
podcast.
But I feel like it's such alike sexual play yeah it's so
good yeah it's like going down,it's encouraging you to do that.
Oh, that's a good look at you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
That's a good.
Why do they?
Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
forget.
Like what are you thinking?
I don't know, I've dated men.
Like I don't do that.
I don't do that.
I'm like you know what meeither?
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I played the fifth in any kind of what do you do?
I disagree.
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