February 28, 2024 • 30 mins
Mike Dussault and Evan Lazar of Patriots.com discuss the upcoming 2024 NFL Draft with ESPN’s Jordan Reid at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana. Lazar, Dussault and Reid break down the best offensive options available for New England including quarterbacks Drake Maye, Caleb Williams and Jalen Daniels.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It Mike do So, Evan Lazarre and we're here from
Indianapolis at the twenty twenty four Scouting Combine officially launching
a brand new podcast here for Patriots dot com. It's
called Patriots Draft Countdown and it's presented by bud Light
Easy to Drink, Easy to Enjoy. Bud Light, the official
beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. And we're gonna
be bringing these podcasts throughout the spring to you guys,
really just focusing on the draft, and of course what
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better place to kick it off than here in Indianapolis.
So we've had a good two days so far. We're
gonna use these podcasts to go a little bit more
in depth, a little bit more free flowing conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're also going to welcome some guests today. We're excited.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We've got Jordan Reed coming by to provide his insight
from ESPN about the Patriots draft picks, what they might
do at third Overall, Evan, we've been here two days
so far. What have you taken away? I mean, for me,
it's that we've gotten to talk to Ellie Wolfan, j
Rob Mayo. I feel like we're in uncharted territory here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I know the whole combine is different for us now, Douce,
because this is the way our life is now.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Can you believe this is our life?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I think the biggest thing that I take away from
both their remarks is that they do seem like they
are on the same page about things, which is what
you want to see. I think they have prioritized building
through the draft, and the big word that we heard
from girod Mayo this morning was sustainability. And frankly, we
saw it in twenty twenty one where they had one
good year with that big free agency spending spree, draft
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the first round quarterback, and they get to the playoffs
ten wins in twenty twenty one. But then what happened
in twenty two twenty three, right, And that's the way
it happens in free agency. It's not a way to
build a sustainable winner. I think Bill Belichick knew that.
I'm not trying to say that he didn't, but I
also think that girod Mayo and Elliott Wolf recognized that
as well.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So some of the takeaways.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I understand a lot of Patriots fans would love to
see that big splash free agency signing on day one
on March eleventh. But I think there is a chance
that it's a little bit more methodical. And Mayo did
say he doesn't want to sit here and say they're
not going to be competitive, but he's not promising championships
or anything at this point either, So I think they
know that this is going to be a little bit
of a rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, they've got to find their own way. And I mean,
it was really cool just to get to talk to Elliott.
I mean we've talked to Jirab plenty of times, but
you know, really everything you said, and I mean we
talk so much on the radio show we do that
podcast Page's unfiltered, and you know, so much of it
has been, in my perspective, directed towards the draft and
the misfires in the draft, and you know, that's how
you kind of get to this place where the offense
kind of lacks talent.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know, you had a good defense.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know you're able and even with injuries, you're still
able to, you know, pull out a good performance. But
it's a question of how can they get the offense
back to that level. And I mean Eliot Wolf coming
from Green Bay. Obviously, they have a long history of
being a very successful franchise.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, they've had the quarterbacks, that's the biggest piece.
We know that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
But that model of draft developed retain It's just something
that has been so missing recently.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And I think, like you.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Said, they have an opportunity with Christian Barmore.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know, let's get out ahead of the curve and
not wait till we get to the spring when these
guys are about to hit free agency. The NFL is
a wait and you know they're getting they're waiting to
get money thrown at them. You've got to move early
on these guys. And I mean, I think it would
be a really good first step. As much as we
want to talk about, hey, let's make big free agency splash,
which I still think that they could do, let's take
care of our own guys first. Send a message to
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the locker room that if you come here, you improve,
you do things the right way, We're gonna keep you
around and build around you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I think that's a great way of putting it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Looking at Kyle Dugger and Mike Onwenu as two people
that not only are great football players for this team,
but also can send a message that this is what
we're about. Now, we're gonna draft you, we're gonna develop
you for four years, and when you turn into the
stud players that those two guys are, we're gonna take
care of you and extend you and keep you here
long term. That's the way that a lot of the
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best teams in the league have done it. And I
understand that. Like we keep saying that the splashes are
fun and it's great content for us to talk in March,
you know about all the big names that they've signed,
But ultimately it's gonna come down to the draft. We
both know that we both feel that way, and I
think that's where the focus of this group is. And
now I think it just comes it determined who in
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the draft is the big step next. But obviously I
think that the messaging is strong. Whether or not they
go out and execute it, we'll see in the fall.
But the messaging is strong.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I mean, you look at some of the positions in
twenty twenty one. I mean not that we're you know,
rehashing everything here on Patriots Jeff Countdown, but I do
think that you look at like, you know, Hunter Henry,
they didn't develop a tight end Matthew Judon. They hadn't
really been able to develop an outside linebacker who can
make a three down impact. And you know, John new Smith,
you're kind of almost a prisoner to what the free
agency class had to offer.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
For your needs.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I think if you're able to be a little
bit patient and say, look, you know, we're not gonna
go out and give somebody who's not quite the perfect fit,
but we don't have anybody, Let's play the younger guys.
And I think you know Pirello that he's on board
with that. We've seen a lot of that over the
last couple of years. So hopefully these guys that will
of course get into here in a second, that these
guys can be those guys, and even though we're talking
about defensive line and linebackers here in day one, that
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these are still players that could come in and develop
and really have a chance to be a.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Part of the fabric of this new generation of Yeah, Patriots.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Look absolutely And I asked drod Meyer this morning about
the comment that Elliott Wolf made saying that they are
gonna play younger players than the past regime.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Did we've just mentioned on the debrief.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think Lawrence guy, you know, those types of guys,
no pun intended. Adrian Phillips good football players, really good football.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Players for this team.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But ultimately a guy like Marty mop who deserves those opportunities,
a guy like Sam Roberts or you know, obviously Christian
Barmore is going to be a big part of things
moving forward. Those guys deserve some opportunities to play a
little bit more. And then we can also talk about
the guys in the draft that they might take. And
I think that's where those opportunities are going to come from,
is that some of these older guys are going to
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be phased out a little bit and some of these
younger players are going to get time to get in
game reps and develop. And I think that's a good
thing for the Patriots moving forward. It might have some
growing pains. It's gonna be a little bit. You know,
they're not going to be as sound and schematically fundamentally
all that type of stuff right out of the gate,
but you're looking for that ceiling. You're looking for those
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guys to be a little bit better than the guys
that they're replacing.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let's just talk for a second about the Patriots current roster,
and we broke down like the defensive line, like all
their contracts up next year. So I mean they have
long term needs along the defensive line, but we also
have the linebacker position, which you know you have Juan
Bentley captain, I mean, really a tone setter for this team.
Jeelani Tavai coming off an excellent year. Yeah, you know,
singing his praises yesterday. You know, just they've got I'm
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taking to the third linebacker who got hurt the last
couple of years, they still have managed to keep around.
I'm blanking Ray McMillan. Rayquon McMillan is another one that
you know continues to be on the roster.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's about too.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He hasn't really played.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Mac Wilson could be back, who also, you know, showed
something when they moved him more to like an edge
pass rush kind of a role. So I guess Evan
the first question just to kind of kick this off,
and and I know you hate the defense, but and.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Probably I should answer it. I should answer my own question.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
But but but from your perspective, you know, what do
you see kind of the needs here in the front seven.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I look at edge defender as probably the biggest one,
because I do think they have enough bodies in the
interior defensive line, and that's one area too where this.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Free agency class is extremely deep.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's deep at the edge rushers as well, but not
only just with guys that are top of THEO free
agency class at that position, but even these like fill
in guys that we're talking about that just can be
rotational pieces to come in and play, you know, twenty
snaps a game if they have to. So I look
at edge defender as a spot. First of all, you
got to be able to rush the passer like that's
that's the biggest thing in the game nowadays in my opinion,
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maybe even more so than the coverage side of things,
is being able to pressure these quarterbacks. Because if you
go up against all these all world quarterbacks that are
around the NFL in your division, josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers
coming back to the Jets to a if you go
up against those guys and they got all day to
throw back there, then it's going.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
To be a long day at the office.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So I look at edge defender also because of their
needs in free agency and their holes in free agency.
Look if josh U j and Anthony Jennings are not
on this team next year. Who is going to step
up and do those roles and play those snaps the least?
So I do think that that is a need and
I think it's something that they are going to have
to address. But I honestly like the free agency class
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a little bit right in that respect too. But this
draft definitely has some guys that are intrigued.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That's one position that I would say I can get
on board with about free agency is edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And you know what you're getting. They've had success.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I mean, even guys a little bit further down.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, go right down the list, and I mean all
those guys you know can do it all. So I
mean it's and it certainly seems like a position too
that it takes a little time to develop there. You're
probably not especially with the Patriots seeds. You're not going
to draft an edge in the first couple of rounds
and have him come in. You're probably drafting offense anyway.
But you know, by the time the Patriots are ready
to pick these guys, they're not going to be you know,
the type of players that are going to come in immediately.
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But let's let's talk a little bit just about the
guys that they're not going to draft the top of
the top of the draft. You know, the Dallas Turners
of the world, the Latos of the world, those kind
of guys.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, so Dallas Turner. Look, he's a really talented player.
He's probably the best defensive prospect in this draft. With
that being said, that means he's probably the eight or
ninth best player in this draft, because all the guys
at the top are, luckily for the Patriots, are all
offensive players.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But you look at him as as.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
More of this well rounded that can pretty much do
anything on a football field from an edge rusher standpoint.
But you obviously look at the production in the past
rush ability, and that's a big thing. So I look
at him as somebody that, in the traditional Belichick way
of doing things would have been somebody that we would
have had to hammer right, like, this is definitely a
guy that they might go after. Now with girod Mayo
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and Elliott Wolf a little bit too, but mostly drawd
Mayo saying quarterback receiver tackle, quarterback receiver tackle, It's harder
to imagine, but I really, you know, there's nothing to.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Dislike about Dallas Turner's game. He's a well rounded player.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's just funny like having done a few this is
my fourth combine. Now, all the Alabama guys are the same,
Like you just look at them, they're all like very serious,
like polished, like you just think they all just kind
of emit the same kind of like this guy is
a serious football player.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Those are the kind of guys.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I love.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
One guy I just wanted to bring up. You saw
him down at the Senior Bowl. Got to see him today,
Darius Robinson from Missouri, who is just an absolute square.
I mean he just has shoulders for days. So he's
you know, he's one guy that you know, ended day
one early day two, probably going to go in there.
But I look at him and I say, that's the
kind of player. The Patriots have a lot of fun
where they could move him around a lot and he
could make an impact maybe from a number of different spots.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Probably helped his stock the most out of anybody in
this edgeresher group. Look, everybody knows a lot who can play.
He was down there too in Mobile. He's a little
bit lighter though UCLA a little bit lighter, you know,
not exactly that prototypical Patriots sturdy edge defender. But I
think you know, some of these guys that we saw
at the Senior Bowl, he probably helped his stock the most. Yeah,
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And I think the biggest thing is you mentioned when
you get into an NFL setting like the Senior Bowl,
and there was some really good tackles down there by
the way, some guys that are going to be top
fifty picks. And we're going to talk about the later
in the week when you get down to the Senior Bowl.
Can you handle NFL power and play strength? Can you
hold up at the point of attack? Are you able
to really take on a different weight class? And I
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don't mean that literally, I just mean it, you know
in general, like there's it's a different level of power, speed,
physicality to the game when you start to go up
against guys uh that are going to be drafted in
the first and second round of the draft. That tackle
so I thought he stood out the most out of anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Another school talk about Michigan, the Patriots no stranger draft
of Michigan guys uce clearly Chase Winovich.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Going back Tom Brady. We're staying on defensive side of
the ball.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
But Jalen a guy named Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Jalen Harrell. I mean, this is outstanding. DM. They won
the National championship. You guys know so. But Jalen Harrell
another kind of guy that you know, Chris Jenkins.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
These they've got some really good players up front. I
don't know, they're probably out of the Patriots range. Certainly
Jenkins will probably be. But those guys continue to pump
out all the defensive players.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Look, you can go on the line of scrimmage at
Michigan offense or defensive line, and you will be just like,
that's Michigan, Georgia, Bama though they just have NFL guys
all over the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Chris Braswell another guy that that we talked about a
little bit, another one of those Alabama guys. They're all
kind of the same, you know, but I find myself
him when I'm watching these guys, and you know, certainly
there's you know, some of them, you're just like, this
guy is a two gapper, he's wide, he's big, and
then you'll see other guys who are smaller and they're
up the field kind of types. And you know, we've
been talking a little bit here in India about Christian Barmore,
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who wasn't necessarily a Patriots fit when the Patriots traded
up to get him. I don't think, you know, in
a traditional sense when you look at what they usually
look for it it wasn't really him. But again with
a new regime and maybe a new twist coming to
the defense. We heard Elliott Wolf say yesterday we need
to get faster on defense, and you know, and Mayo
is then kind of followed up with that, did you
I think Phil Perrys, you know, did you feel that
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this year? And you know, Mayo kind of danced around
the question a little bit, but I thought that that
was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Just you know, we know what this defense is.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's two you know, a couple of space heaters in
the middle and then bigger guys on that with length
on the outside and you know, kind of inside as well,
with with you know, guys like Bentley a little bit
like six forty like that, like that big you're not
looking at like the six one two twenty type linebacker guys.
So that's my big question here is we're kind of
looking at some of these guys, is you know, are
we still kind of operating under the same system, or
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is everything kind of on the table. Are we trying
to get fast on the defensive line as well and
get more guys like Barbore who can get upfield and
get after the quarter Well.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I think it's twofold because one, you got to be
able to chase the quarterback because all these quarterbacks that
you're gonna go up against their mobile so you have
to be able to chase the quarterback around.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
So if you have all.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
These plotters out on the field, you know, your traditional
three four ends and big bet you know linebackers like
a Juwan Bentley. Those guys have a role and they're
good at their roles and I'm not trying to kill
them for it. But at the same time, when you're
in space with Lamar Jackson and that's who you have
running around to chase them, that's not gonna end well
for you.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
So you have to get faster, I think in some
respects in that way.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And the second thing is it is really really difficult
in this league now to sit in man to man coverage,
and if you have to play more zone, then you
have to have more range at the second level of
the defense. You have to have that ability to drop
guys off the line of scrimmage and run those stimulated pressures.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You can't play man to man against all the receiver
talent in the league for four quarters. Yeah, it's still
a Manton Man league at the end of the day.
I feel like fourth quarter game on the line, it's
you versus me. Like that's just the way that any
sport's gonna be. But in terms of actually going and
surviving a four quarters against Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs
and all you know, Dalton Kincaid and all those playmakers
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are down in Miami, all those playmakers, you have to
be able to incorporate zone and that means being a
little bit more rangy and instinctive in coverage at the
second level the defense.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Just a few more names to throw you, guys, we
were all waiting for Tavandre Sweat. I mean, you saw
him down at a Senior Bowl. Massive, massive human being
certainly would fit in the middle. It's just about any defense.
He We're not sure what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'm sure that something will come out of what's going
on with him.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But McKinley Jackson was a guy that I kind of
had circled before.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Getting here listening to him.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Two time captain, one of those interior space heater type guys.
When you look at Lawrence guy departing, he's the kind
of fit I mean. You mentioned Fiskey earlier another.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I love Fiskey big.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I have gritty interior your guys.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know, Sometimes you hear these guys talk and you're
just like, this guy's gonna be a player, you know,
And maybe we're wrong, maybe your your instincts are wrong,
but oftentimes I don't. I think he kind of get
a feel for some of these guys that are really
going to elevate once they get to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's how I feel about Fiskey is that he's just
a football player. Is he gonna look great in the
drills tomorrow and is he gonna put on a show
at the forty yard dash and all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
No, probably not.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
But when you turn on the tape, he's so noticeable
all the time. He's just everywhere, getting in the backfield.
He's more of an upfield player though, That's what we
were just talking about, not necessarily gonna be like that
two gap or hold a point of attack type of guy.
He's gonna want to get vertical and get up the field,
but at the Senior Bowl on Florida State film, he
just gets after it. I mean, the highest motor out
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of any of these guys I think in the draft
at great handwork, great technique, fundamentals, leverage, pad level, all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
So he's one of those guys that's.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Gonna go somewhere on Day two, maybe early day three,
probably Day two that isn't gonna wow anybody here. Isn't
gonna be like this oppressive athlete, and then you're going
to look up.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
In a couple of years and he's just going to
be a really good NFL player.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, So some NFL quarterbacks not looking forward to him
entering the league, I'm sure, But Kieran Indy the great
part as we get everybody's here, the media and everyone.
So I had an opportunity to sit down with Jordan
Reid from ESPN to provide his insight. I mean, he's
like the new mel Kiper. We had him last year too.
It's a developing relationship. So we're excited to have Jordan
back on and he gave us some insight Right now,
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all right, we're excited to be joined for the second
year in a row. ESPN's Jordan Reed, draft analyst and
Jordan here we are Patriots third overall pick, and you know,
there's a lot of needs, especially in the offensive side
of the ball, and I think the easiest place to
start is the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know, what do you see from those top guys?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Just saw Mel's latest mock draft had sending us that
you know, what do you think, what do you think
Patriot should do?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
There?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Mail always throws us for a loop. He always makes
sure to do that. But this quarterback class is really strong,
especially at the top. The three names that you're gonna
hear Caleb Williams of USC, Drake May of North Carolina,
and then Jayden Daniels of LSU, And each one has
their own own traits that they specialize in. Caleb is
more so of your off script Patrick Mahomes the esque
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type of player.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And we have to say, like discount mahomess with that,
but I think Caleb is a very special prospect.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
But after that, the second quarterback is where the debate
really starts, in my opinion, and that's where the draft starts.
Depending on what Washington does it too. You have Drake May,
who is your prototypical quarterback that's going to receive the
Justin Herbert and Josh Allen comparisons. And there's five or
six plays a game with Drake May reminds you of why.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
He's worthy of those comparisons.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
But then there's some other players of like, man, why
couldn't you make this throw after making this sixty yard
bomb down the field, So the consistency needs to get better.
And then you have Jayden, which is that one quarterback
that comes out of nowhere every year that ends up
a Day three pick, comes I don't know where, it
ends up being a top five type of player. So
it just depends on which type of quarterback that you want.
But they're all different in their own right.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, I want to ask you two things off that,
because I agree with you completely that these quarterbacks are
all so different, and I feel like that is very
scheme specific in a lot of ways. And the Patriots
hired Alex van Pelt from the Cleveland Browns run their
offense that traditional West Coast bootleg, big play action type.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Of team, not necessarily either of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Frankly, there he spent a lot of time under center
now and most college quarterbacks don't.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
But which one of those two guys, between.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Jayden Daniels and Drake made he think transitions best into
that Alex Van Pelt offense.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I would feel more comfortable about Drake may doing it
just because even though he doesn't have the experience doing it,
there is some plays, whether it's from pistol or from shotgun,
of where he's still going through the mechanics of doing
some under center stuff. Now with Jayden, with LSU is
strictly shotgun, Yeah, there isn't any pistol of where he's
turning his back to the defense, bootlegging or getting outside
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of the pocket. But with Drake it was more so
in the Phil Alongo offense in twenty twenty two as
opposed to which.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Hip lindsay last year. Yeah, but if you go back
and watch him in.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Twenty twenty two, he's doing some of the mechanics from pistol.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Maybe not so from under center though. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
And then you just mentioned his twenty two film and
you mentioned with Daniels how he kind of came out
of nowhere. How do you evaluate that when guys, are
you know? I remember him at Arizona State and it
wasn't quite as pretty as it is now. And now
he's playing to Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas and it's
just a lot of talent around him. How do you
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go from that to here? And do you put any
stock in the old tape? I would say, like bo
Nicks is another example of one of those guys too.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
He's one of those guys of where I call it
washing your filters or your priors. So watching these players
just because whoever you thought they were at that other school,
they've basically reinvented themselves at these other schools. So whatever
you thought of bow Knicks or Jade Daniels when they
were at their prior stops, they're completely different players now.
And it's all about development with these quarterbacks. And everybody says, oh,
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he's throwing to League Neighbors and Brian Thomas, But still
how you measure that is is he getting the ball
to them accurately? Or are the receivers having to catch
the ball expand their catch rates? And I didn't see
a lot of that on Elisu's tape. I thought he
was getting the ball in the adequate spaces and adequate ball.
He was using adequate ball placement in certain areas, so
where even though he was only he was throwing to
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these projected two first round picks, he still was putting
the ball in the right places.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Or don't want to move on to wide receivers. So
you're talking about number. You know, this is what we're
seeing with Patriot fans. You know what we read your
mock drafts. You know, everybody analyzes them, and you can't
help but ignore that often Marvin Harrison is just sitting there,
you know, And it's a question of how much to
the Patriots offense seve they need.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Tackles, they need a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But if you're looking at a potential generational wide receiver,
is there an argument to be made that don't overthink it,
just take the top guy on the border.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I think this is the most fascinating debate inside the
top five outside of Chicago, just because we're gonna learn
a lot about Elliot Wolf, who's obviously in charge of
personnel right now, how does he value this quarterbacks and
how far away does he think this roster is. So
there's two ways that they could go with do you
trust putting the quarterback in right now and using the
eighty plus million in projected GAT space that you haven't
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build it up from there, or do I slid back?
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Or I could take Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Junior excuse me, at three and then look to build
it up with future draft capital. Or I could trade
back to another team that's looking for a quarterback too.
So I should say there's three routes that they could go.
That's the big debate right now. I don't know what
they're gonna for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's a couple questions on the receivers. Do you view
this as Marvin Harrison Junior and everybody else? Because I
know there are some people that are starting to creep
neighbors up and I think a Duneesday is almost underrated
at this point. Yeah, So how do you feel about
tiering those three guys?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
So I think Marvin's the best player in the draft. Yeah,
I think that highly of him, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green
and Julio Jones. Jamar Chase, I think he's in the
same tier as those guys as a prospect, just because
of six four, two hundred and fifteen pounds. He's a
big receiver, that has little receiver movement skills. And what
was so impressive to me about Marvin is that Ohio
State has subpar quarterback play last year and he still
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was able to execute at a high level throughout the
season last year. So that shows me that this is
an elite of elite talent at wide receiver. So I'm
a big fan of Marvin, but but also not far
behind his neighbors and a doonsay. So it really just
depends on what type of wide receiver that you want
at the top of the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, and then let's go to Day two for a
second with receivers, because I do think the Patriots personally
are going to go quarterback at three yet I don't
know that.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I'm just saying what I think.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And then you start to look at receiver maybe on
Day two, and I also just looking at the packer
way and how they have you typically done, and it's
usually a lot of Day two receivers. I was down
in Mobile. You know, Rum and Wilson, lad McConkie. Those
guys did stand out. But who do you like on
Day two?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I like quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I think this is a very strong wide receiver class.
We could see as many as six or seven go
in the first round, but day two there's plenty of
depth and you already named some of the good players.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
But another is Malaki Cooley. Yeah, from Western Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
He's a little bit raw from a route running aspect,
but if you're looking for a Deebo Samuel Esk type
of receiver that can create and break tackles after the catch,
he's definitely your guy. So I think he had nine
hundred and eighty four receiving yards last year.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Six hundred and eighty came after the catch.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, so that just goes to show you how dangerous
he is after the catch. So Malachi, definitely, it would
be one, more so in the third or fourth round.
Ricky Piersol is another that I like quite a bit,
and he was phenomenal down at the senior ball. I
thought he was one of the most consistent players regardless
of positions.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
What do you think of Brendan Rice.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
I like him. He's a big receiver.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
The thing about Brendan that's really interesting is that he
gets open in his own way.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Going to create consistent, consistent separation, but he's very competitive
at the catch point and there is some receivers that
have been able to cut out a way and be
successful in the NFL that way. So he's going to
have to make a way of making those excuse me,
those competitive catches consistently just because he's not going to
be a consistent separator on the next level.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You talk how deep the wide receiver classes, the tackle
class seems just as deep.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Patriots have huge needs at both tackle spots.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Again, and a lot of these mock drafts where you
take a quarterback or wide receiver and then you just
watch the parade go by and there's like eight nine
tackles that you know oftener are going, what's kind of
your philosophy of this class? Just when you have such
a stack class, do you strike early and try to
get the best one or do you say we're gonna
get a guy and he'll still be pretty good.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Well, once again, it just depends on how they feel
about the quarterbacks and the wide receivers in this class.
And free agency is gonna tell us a ton about
the Patriots and how they feel about this class as
a whole. Just because you're not gonna be able to
get better and improve every position in the draft, So
That's why I said they have a lot of money
to spend in free agency, so where they spend those
free agency dollars will have a better feel as far
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as where they feel is better with this draft class.
But offensive tackle is really one of those classes of
where you can close your eyes and pick one just
because it's so good at the top, and there's some
depth through the second and third round as well. Then
after that it does have a little bit of a
precipitous fall off, but second or third round, I think
there's depth in there's two.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, I feel the same way that it's a really,
really good top of the tackle class. Probably not as
much on Day three as some other classes. But two
guys wanted to ask you about Marius Mims from Georgia.
Eight hundred career snaps. I think he's got like seven
starts under his belt. How the heck do you evaluate
a guy like that because the talent is so clearly there.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Of those dudes actually seen a Maryus yesterday six seven
three and forty pounds, so he's just, yeah, he's an
immense tackle, and you stand beside him, You're like, oh
my god, holy col.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This dude is huge.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
But he's so athletically gifted, and he's expected to do
everything that my sources had confronted. He's expected to do
everything inside of Lucas oil Staium. So I'm excited to
see him and just him coming out and competing and
understanding that have an opportunity to potentially be a top
twenty pick. So what I need to do is go
out and show that my ankle is fully healthy and
fully healed now, just because even though my sample size
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is small, I still can go out.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And check boxes throughout the pre draft process.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
So even though he has the small sample size, with
eight career starts in three years, I think he has
an opportunity to be a big riser.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Is there anybody that you can think of off the
top of your head that had that small of a
sample size that went on to be a great NFL.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I actually researched it. I couldn't find anybody to add
that limited of a simple.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Size because that really intriguing player that if he does
fall to thirty four for the Patriots in the second round,
it's a first round talent that maybe you get one.
And with the small sample size, I wonder if teams
will view it that way. The other guy actually just
watched him on the plane right here, Kingsley sum type
from Buyu. I was so impressed by how athletic he
is in space for such a big guy. He's another
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that's gonna be a big tester.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
If I had to guess, he'll probably go somewhere late thirties,
early forties. Yeah, So he's definitely gonna be in range
for the Patriots if nobody takes him in the back
end of the first round. So started his career at Oregon,
only played one game there. But the great thing about
him is that he has experience on both sides. He's
played right tackle, he's played left tackle. He's still a
little bit raw, but you're hoping he's one of those
players of where you can bundle those athletic traits around
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his natural gifts and he just needs reps right now.
Once he gets those reps, he has more exposure to
the game. He's only going to get better.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
If you have a sleeper at tackle.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
So one I actually do like. He'll probably end up
going third or fourth round. As Christian Jones of Texas,
I like him too.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So I'm at the in the Senior Bowl and really
good inset of hands and a lot of those guys
they they're hand placement and stuff like that's a little raw.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And he was impressive.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Yeah, so he started sixty one career games, actually played
sixty years at Texas, so a.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Lot of experience.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Massive human being, six y five, three hundred and twenty pounds,
but he has really good movement skills. Now his technique
does need to be cleaned up a little bit. He
can what I call be a little bit of a
head ducker sometimes, but that's just him being over eager
at the point of attack. So needs to clean that
up a little bit. But you go watch him against Alabama,
him and Dallas Turner and Chris Braswell going against each other.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
It was a fun matchup to watch and I thought
he played really well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Just last one for me outside attackle any other sleepers
or just position groups you feel like aren't being talked
about enough right now, or maybe even a certain guy
that you feel like needs a little bit more buzz.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Oh, that's a great question. Pick a position.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I'm a wide receiver. No, we already did wide receiver again.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Defender ooh, edge rusher Gabriel Murphy of UCLA.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I like him quite a bit. He's another that's probably
gonna be a big tester this week at the combine.
He's a little bit undersize, but you're watching Leatsu Latsu
and you're like, man, who is this dude opposite of him? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
And Gabriel Mury Murphy was that player that made a
lot of plays.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah in the USC game. He definitely hopped a lot
in that game.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
And just last one from me right now as it stands,
when we February twenty sixth or something like that, who
are you picking three overall?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
If you're Elliott.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Wolf, So assuming Drake May is gone, of course I
would say, Jane Dames, I would take a quarterback. Yeah,
the three overall, just because nothing matters, and a rebuild
until you get that position solidified.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
So if they take the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
There, use the cap room to get offensive tackles, to
get receivers, and then just build it up from there.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
All right, Jordan read from me this man. Thanks so
much for joining us, second year in a row. We'll
do it again next year.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Oh problem, Thank you guys as always.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
All right, So great stuff there from Jordan, and we're
just getting started here in India, it's only Wednesday. Somehow
we still have what three four days to go? I
don't know, but it's only it's only going to get
more exciting. And if you remember last year, I mean
this is we were delirious by Saturday. Yeah, you know,
but that's what we love. We're excited to see all
of these guys. And clearly Patriots have a bunch of needs.
They've got a new system in place, so it's really
exciting to see what kind of players they're going to
select this year.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
And we just get like I said, we got cornerbacks.
What the tight ends tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, what else? Really quick? Just on the tight
ends really quick?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well preview.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
This is a group that I don't think is as
good as last year's by any means. It's not as deep,
but there's a couple guys at the top of this draft.
I have tried to get Jatavian Sanders from Texas into
every single mock draft that I do some way, shape
or form, because that's the type of player.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You look at David and Joku.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
In Cleveland and how Alex Van Pelt was able to
unlock him last year in that Browns offense and Jatavian
Sanders reminds me a lot of that explosive, grated with
the ball in his hands, vertical tight end in the
past game that can hit chunk plays all the time.
And you just watch that Texas offense and yeah they
have ad Mitchell, yeah they have Xavier Worthy, but Jatavian
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Sanders really stands out. The other guy that stood out
to me in the Senior Bowl is Ben Sinnett from
Kansas State.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Just a really.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Crafty, heady, strong hands, good at the top of the route.
Not necessarily the flash that a Jatavian Sanders would bring
to the offense, but somebody that I think is going
to be really a well rounded pro.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Just a solid NFL TI And obviously brock Bowers.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
We can't dream about brock power, so we can talk.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
About brock Bowers a little bit, but I think that
that's probably not where they're going to go in the
first round. But Sanders in that thirty four range at
the top of the second round, I don't hate it
at all.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And maybe a little later we'd be remiss not to
mention TCUs Jered Wiley, you know that's another option.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I love thosewming frogs. But stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
We'll be here all week with Patriots Draft Countdown, presented
by bud Light. And this is just the start of
this podcast, so it'll continue. Once we get back from Indy.
We'll continue to break down the draft in depth, so
thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We'll be back tomorrow
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It Mike do So, Evan Lazarre and we're here from
Indianapolis at the twenty twenty four Scouting Combine officially launching
a brand new podcast here for Patriots dot com. It's
called Patriots Draft Countdown and it's presented by bud Light
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beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. And we're gonna
be bringing these podcasts throughout the spring to you guys,
really just focusing on the draft, and of course what
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better place to kick it off than here in Indianapolis.
So we've had a good two days so far. We're
gonna use these podcasts to go a little bit more
in depth, a little bit more free flowing conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're also going to welcome some guests today. We're excited.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We've got Jordan Reed coming by to provide his insight
from ESPN about the Patriots draft picks, what they might
do at third Overall, Evan, we've been here two days
so far. What have you taken away? I mean, for me,
it's that we've gotten to talk to Ellie Wolfan, j
Rob Mayo. I feel like we're in uncharted territory here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I know the whole combine is different for us now, Douce,
because this is the way our life is now.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Can you believe this is our life?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I think the biggest thing that I take away from
both their remarks is that they do seem like they
are on the same page about things, which is what
you want to see. I think they have prioritized building
through the draft, and the big word that we heard
from girod Mayo this morning was sustainability. And frankly, we
saw it in twenty twenty one where they had one
good year with that big free agency spending spree, draft
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the first round quarterback, and they get to the playoffs
ten wins in twenty twenty one. But then what happened
in twenty two twenty three, right, And that's the way
it happens in free agency. It's not a way to
build a sustainable winner. I think Bill Belichick knew that.
I'm not trying to say that he didn't, but I
also think that girod Mayo and Elliott Wolf recognized that
as well.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So some of the takeaways.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I understand a lot of Patriots fans would love to
see that big splash free agency signing on day one
on March eleventh. But I think there is a chance
that it's a little bit more methodical. And Mayo did
say he doesn't want to sit here and say they're
not going to be competitive, but he's not promising championships
or anything at this point either, So I think they
know that this is going to be a little bit
of a rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, they've got to find their own way. And I mean,
it was really cool just to get to talk to Elliott.
I mean we've talked to Jirab plenty of times, but
you know, really everything you said, and I mean we
talk so much on the radio show we do that
podcast Page's unfiltered, and you know, so much of it
has been, in my perspective, directed towards the draft and
the misfires in the draft, and you know, that's how
you kind of get to this place where the offense
kind of lacks talent.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know, you had a good defense.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know you're able and even with injuries, you're still
able to, you know, pull out a good performance. But
it's a question of how can they get the offense
back to that level. And I mean Eliot Wolf coming
from Green Bay. Obviously, they have a long history of
being a very successful franchise.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, they've had the quarterbacks, that's the biggest piece.
We know that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
But that model of draft developed retain It's just something
that has been so missing recently.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And I think, like you.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Said, they have an opportunity with Christian Barmore.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know, let's get out ahead of the curve and
not wait till we get to the spring when these
guys are about to hit free agency. The NFL is
a wait and you know they're getting they're waiting to
get money thrown at them. You've got to move early
on these guys. And I mean, I think it would
be a really good first step. As much as we
want to talk about, hey, let's make big free agency splash,
which I still think that they could do, let's take
care of our own guys first. Send a message to
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the locker room that if you come here, you improve,
you do things the right way, We're gonna keep you
around and build around you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I think that's a great way of putting it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Looking at Kyle Dugger and Mike Onwenu as two people
that not only are great football players for this team,
but also can send a message that this is what
we're about. Now, we're gonna draft you, we're gonna develop
you for four years, and when you turn into the
stud players that those two guys are, we're gonna take
care of you and extend you and keep you here
long term. That's the way that a lot of the
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best teams in the league have done it. And I
understand that. Like we keep saying that the splashes are
fun and it's great content for us to talk in March,
you know about all the big names that they've signed,
But ultimately it's gonna come down to the draft. We
both know that we both feel that way, and I
think that's where the focus of this group is. And
now I think it just comes it determined who in
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the draft is the big step next. But obviously I
think that the messaging is strong. Whether or not they
go out and execute it, we'll see in the fall.
But the messaging is strong.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I mean, you look at some of the positions in
twenty twenty one. I mean not that we're you know,
rehashing everything here on Patriots Jeff Countdown, but I do
think that you look at like, you know, Hunter Henry,
they didn't develop a tight end Matthew Judon. They hadn't
really been able to develop an outside linebacker who can
make a three down impact. And you know, John new Smith,
you're kind of almost a prisoner to what the free
agency class had to offer.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
For your needs.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I think if you're able to be a little
bit patient and say, look, you know, we're not gonna
go out and give somebody who's not quite the perfect fit,
but we don't have anybody, Let's play the younger guys.
And I think you know Pirello that he's on board
with that. We've seen a lot of that over the
last couple of years. So hopefully these guys that will
of course get into here in a second, that these
guys can be those guys, and even though we're talking
about defensive line and linebackers here in day one, that
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these are still players that could come in and develop
and really have a chance to be a.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Part of the fabric of this new generation of Yeah, Patriots.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Look absolutely And I asked drod Meyer this morning about
the comment that Elliott Wolf made saying that they are
gonna play younger players than the past regime.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Did we've just mentioned on the debrief.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think Lawrence guy, you know, those types of guys,
no pun intended. Adrian Phillips good football players, really good football.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Players for this team.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But ultimately a guy like Marty mop who deserves those opportunities,
a guy like Sam Roberts or you know, obviously Christian
Barmore is going to be a big part of things
moving forward. Those guys deserve some opportunities to play a
little bit more. And then we can also talk about
the guys in the draft that they might take. And
I think that's where those opportunities are going to come from,
is that some of these older guys are going to
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be phased out a little bit and some of these
younger players are going to get time to get in
game reps and develop. And I think that's a good
thing for the Patriots moving forward. It might have some
growing pains. It's gonna be a little bit. You know,
they're not going to be as sound and schematically fundamentally
all that type of stuff right out of the gate,
but you're looking for that ceiling. You're looking for those
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guys to be a little bit better than the guys
that they're replacing.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let's just talk for a second about the Patriots current roster,
and we broke down like the defensive line, like all
their contracts up next year. So I mean they have
long term needs along the defensive line, but we also
have the linebacker position, which you know you have Juan
Bentley captain, I mean, really a tone setter for this team.
Jeelani Tavai coming off an excellent year. Yeah, you know,
singing his praises yesterday. You know, just they've got I'm
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taking to the third linebacker who got hurt the last
couple of years, they still have managed to keep around.
I'm blanking Ray McMillan. Rayquon McMillan is another one that
you know continues to be on the roster.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's about too.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
He hasn't really played.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Mac Wilson could be back, who also, you know, showed
something when they moved him more to like an edge
pass rush kind of a role. So I guess Evan
the first question just to kind of kick this off,
and and I know you hate the defense, but and.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Probably I should answer it. I should answer my own question.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
But but but from your perspective, you know, what do
you see kind of the needs here in the front seven.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I look at edge defender as probably the biggest one,
because I do think they have enough bodies in the
interior defensive line, and that's one area too where this.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Free agency class is extremely deep.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's deep at the edge rushers as well, but not
only just with guys that are top of THEO free
agency class at that position, but even these like fill
in guys that we're talking about that just can be
rotational pieces to come in and play, you know, twenty
snaps a game if they have to. So I look
at edge defender as a spot. First of all, you
got to be able to rush the passer like that's
that's the biggest thing in the game nowadays in my opinion,
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maybe even more so than the coverage side of things,
is being able to pressure these quarterbacks. Because if you
go up against all these all world quarterbacks that are
around the NFL in your division, josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers
coming back to the Jets to a if you go
up against those guys and they got all day to
throw back there, then it's going.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
To be a long day at the office.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So I look at edge defender also because of their
needs in free agency and their holes in free agency.
Look if josh U j and Anthony Jennings are not
on this team next year. Who is going to step
up and do those roles and play those snaps the least?
So I do think that that is a need and
I think it's something that they are going to have
to address. But I honestly like the free agency class
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a little bit right in that respect too. But this
draft definitely has some guys that are intrigued.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That's one position that I would say I can get
on board with about free agency is edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And you know what you're getting. They've had success.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I mean, even guys a little bit further down.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, go right down the list, and I mean all
those guys you know can do it all. So I
mean it's and it certainly seems like a position too
that it takes a little time to develop there. You're
probably not especially with the Patriots seeds. You're not going
to draft an edge in the first couple of rounds
and have him come in. You're probably drafting offense anyway.
But you know, by the time the Patriots are ready
to pick these guys, they're not going to be you know,
the type of players that are going to come in immediately.
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But let's let's talk a little bit just about the
guys that they're not going to draft the top of
the top of the draft. You know, the Dallas Turners
of the world, the Latos of the world, those kind
of guys.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, so Dallas Turner. Look, he's a really talented player.
He's probably the best defensive prospect in this draft. With
that being said, that means he's probably the eight or
ninth best player in this draft, because all the guys
at the top are, luckily for the Patriots, are all
offensive players.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But you look at him as as.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
More of this well rounded that can pretty much do
anything on a football field from an edge rusher standpoint.
But you obviously look at the production in the past
rush ability, and that's a big thing. So I look
at him as somebody that, in the traditional Belichick way
of doing things would have been somebody that we would
have had to hammer right, like, this is definitely a
guy that they might go after. Now with girod Mayo
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and Elliott Wolf a little bit too, but mostly drawd
Mayo saying quarterback receiver tackle, quarterback receiver tackle, It's harder
to imagine, but I really, you know, there's nothing to.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Dislike about Dallas Turner's game. He's a well rounded player.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's just funny like having done a few this is
my fourth combine. Now, all the Alabama guys are the same,
Like you just look at them, they're all like very serious,
like polished, like you just think they all just kind
of emit the same kind of like this guy is
a serious football player.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Those are the kind of guys.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I love.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
One guy I just wanted to bring up. You saw
him down at the Senior Bowl. Got to see him today,
Darius Robinson from Missouri, who is just an absolute square.
I mean he just has shoulders for days. So he's
you know, he's one guy that you know, ended day
one early day two, probably going to go in there.
But I look at him and I say, that's the
kind of player. The Patriots have a lot of fun
where they could move him around a lot and he
could make an impact maybe from a number of different spots.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Probably helped his stock the most out of anybody in
this edgeresher group. Look, everybody knows a lot who can play.
He was down there too in Mobile. He's a little
bit lighter though UCLA a little bit lighter, you know,
not exactly that prototypical Patriots sturdy edge defender. But I
think you know, some of these guys that we saw
at the Senior Bowl, he probably helped his stock the most. Yeah,
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And I think the biggest thing is you mentioned when
you get into an NFL setting like the Senior Bowl,
and there was some really good tackles down there by
the way, some guys that are going to be top
fifty picks. And we're going to talk about the later
in the week when you get down to the Senior Bowl.
Can you handle NFL power and play strength? Can you
hold up at the point of attack? Are you able
to really take on a different weight class? And I
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don't mean that literally, I just mean it, you know
in general, like there's it's a different level of power, speed,
physicality to the game when you start to go up
against guys uh that are going to be drafted in
the first and second round of the draft. That tackle
so I thought he stood out the most out of anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Another school talk about Michigan, the Patriots no stranger draft
of Michigan guys uce clearly Chase Winovich.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Going back Tom Brady. We're staying on defensive side of
the ball.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
But Jalen a guy named Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Jalen Harrell. I mean, this is outstanding. DM. They won
the National championship. You guys know so. But Jalen Harrell
another kind of guy that you know, Chris Jenkins.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
These they've got some really good players up front. I
don't know, they're probably out of the Patriots range. Certainly
Jenkins will probably be. But those guys continue to pump
out all the defensive players.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Look, you can go on the line of scrimmage at
Michigan offense or defensive line, and you will be just like,
that's Michigan, Georgia, Bama though they just have NFL guys
all over the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Chris Braswell another guy that that we talked about a
little bit, another one of those Alabama guys. They're all
kind of the same, you know, but I find myself
him when I'm watching these guys, and you know, certainly
there's you know, some of them, you're just like, this
guy is a two gapper, he's wide, he's big, and
then you'll see other guys who are smaller and they're
up the field kind of types. And you know, we've
been talking a little bit here in India about Christian Barmore,
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who wasn't necessarily a Patriots fit when the Patriots traded
up to get him. I don't think, you know, in
a traditional sense when you look at what they usually
look for it it wasn't really him. But again with
a new regime and maybe a new twist coming to
the defense. We heard Elliott Wolf say yesterday we need
to get faster on defense, and you know, and Mayo
is then kind of followed up with that, did you
I think Phil Perrys, you know, did you feel that
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this year? And you know, Mayo kind of danced around
the question a little bit, but I thought that that
was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Just you know, we know what this defense is.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's two you know, a couple of space heaters in
the middle and then bigger guys on that with length
on the outside and you know, kind of inside as well,
with with you know, guys like Bentley a little bit
like six forty like that, like that big you're not
looking at like the six one two twenty type linebacker guys.
So that's my big question here is we're kind of
looking at some of these guys, is you know, are
we still kind of operating under the same system, or
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is everything kind of on the table. Are we trying
to get fast on the defensive line as well and
get more guys like Barbore who can get upfield and
get after the quarter Well.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I think it's twofold because one, you got to be
able to chase the quarterback because all these quarterbacks that
you're gonna go up against their mobile so you have
to be able to chase the quarterback around.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
So if you have all.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
These plotters out on the field, you know, your traditional
three four ends and big bet you know linebackers like
a Juwan Bentley. Those guys have a role and they're
good at their roles and I'm not trying to kill
them for it. But at the same time, when you're
in space with Lamar Jackson and that's who you have
running around to chase them, that's not gonna end well
for you.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
So you have to get faster, I think in some
respects in that way.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And the second thing is it is really really difficult
in this league now to sit in man to man coverage,
and if you have to play more zone, then you
have to have more range at the second level of
the defense. You have to have that ability to drop
guys off the line of scrimmage and run those stimulated pressures.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You can't play man to man against all the receiver
talent in the league for four quarters. Yeah, it's still
a Manton Man league at the end of the day.
I feel like fourth quarter game on the line, it's
you versus me. Like that's just the way that any
sport's gonna be. But in terms of actually going and
surviving a four quarters against Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs
and all you know, Dalton Kincaid and all those playmakers
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are down in Miami, all those playmakers, you have to
be able to incorporate zone and that means being a
little bit more rangy and instinctive in coverage at the
second level the defense.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Just a few more names to throw you, guys, we
were all waiting for Tavandre Sweat. I mean, you saw
him down at a Senior Bowl. Massive, massive human being
certainly would fit in the middle. It's just about any defense.
He We're not sure what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'm sure that something will come out of what's going
on with him.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But McKinley Jackson was a guy that I kind of
had circled before.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Getting here listening to him.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Two time captain, one of those interior space heater type guys.
When you look at Lawrence guy departing, he's the kind
of fit I mean. You mentioned Fiskey earlier another.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I love Fiskey big.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I have gritty interior your guys.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know, Sometimes you hear these guys talk and you're
just like, this guy's gonna be a player, you know,
And maybe we're wrong, maybe your your instincts are wrong,
but oftentimes I don't. I think he kind of get
a feel for some of these guys that are really
going to elevate once they get to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's how I feel about Fiskey is that he's just
a football player. Is he gonna look great in the
drills tomorrow and is he gonna put on a show
at the forty yard dash and all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
No, probably not.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
But when you turn on the tape, he's so noticeable
all the time. He's just everywhere, getting in the backfield.
He's more of an upfield player though, That's what we
were just talking about, not necessarily gonna be like that
two gap or hold a point of attack type of guy.
He's gonna want to get vertical and get up the field,
but at the Senior Bowl on Florida State film, he
just gets after it. I mean, the highest motor out
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of any of these guys I think in the draft
at great handwork, great technique, fundamentals, leverage, pad level, all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
So he's one of those guys that's.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Gonna go somewhere on Day two, maybe early day three,
probably Day two that isn't gonna wow anybody here. Isn't
gonna be like this oppressive athlete, and then you're going
to look up.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
In a couple of years and he's just going to
be a really good NFL player.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, So some NFL quarterbacks not looking forward to him
entering the league, I'm sure, But Kieran Indy the great
part as we get everybody's here, the media and everyone.
So I had an opportunity to sit down with Jordan
Reid from ESPN to provide his insight. I mean, he's
like the new mel Kiper. We had him last year too.
It's a developing relationship. So we're excited to have Jordan
back on and he gave us some insight Right now,
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all right, we're excited to be joined for the second
year in a row. ESPN's Jordan Reed, draft analyst and
Jordan here we are Patriots third overall pick, and you know,
there's a lot of needs, especially in the offensive side
of the ball, and I think the easiest place to
start is the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know, what do you see from those top guys?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Just saw Mel's latest mock draft had sending us that
you know, what do you think, what do you think
Patriot should do?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
There?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Mail always throws us for a loop. He always makes
sure to do that. But this quarterback class is really strong,
especially at the top. The three names that you're gonna
hear Caleb Williams of USC, Drake May of North Carolina,
and then Jayden Daniels of LSU, And each one has
their own own traits that they specialize in. Caleb is
more so of your off script Patrick Mahomes the esque
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type of player.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And we have to say, like discount mahomess with that,
but I think Caleb is a very special prospect.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
But after that, the second quarterback is where the debate
really starts, in my opinion, and that's where the draft starts.
Depending on what Washington does it too. You have Drake May,
who is your prototypical quarterback that's going to receive the
Justin Herbert and Josh Allen comparisons. And there's five or
six plays a game with Drake May reminds you of why.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
He's worthy of those comparisons.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
But then there's some other players of like, man, why
couldn't you make this throw after making this sixty yard
bomb down the field, So the consistency needs to get better.
And then you have Jayden, which is that one quarterback
that comes out of nowhere every year that ends up
a Day three pick, comes I don't know where, it
ends up being a top five type of player. So
it just depends on which type of quarterback that you want.
But they're all different in their own right.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, I want to ask you two things off that,
because I agree with you completely that these quarterbacks are
all so different, and I feel like that is very
scheme specific in a lot of ways. And the Patriots
hired Alex van Pelt from the Cleveland Browns run their
offense that traditional West Coast bootleg, big play action type.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Of team, not necessarily either of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Frankly, there he spent a lot of time under center
now and most college quarterbacks don't.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
But which one of those two guys, between.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Jayden Daniels and Drake made he think transitions best into
that Alex Van Pelt offense.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I would feel more comfortable about Drake may doing it
just because even though he doesn't have the experience doing it,
there is some plays, whether it's from pistol or from shotgun,
of where he's still going through the mechanics of doing
some under center stuff. Now with Jayden, with LSU is
strictly shotgun, Yeah, there isn't any pistol of where he's
turning his back to the defense, bootlegging or getting outside
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of the pocket. But with Drake it was more so
in the Phil Alongo offense in twenty twenty two as
opposed to which.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Hip lindsay last year. Yeah, but if you go back
and watch him in.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Twenty twenty two, he's doing some of the mechanics from pistol.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Maybe not so from under center though. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
And then you just mentioned his twenty two film and
you mentioned with Daniels how he kind of came out
of nowhere. How do you evaluate that when guys, are
you know? I remember him at Arizona State and it
wasn't quite as pretty as it is now. And now
he's playing to Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas and it's
just a lot of talent around him. How do you
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go from that to here? And do you put any
stock in the old tape? I would say, like bo
Nicks is another example of one of those guys too.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
He's one of those guys of where I call it
washing your filters or your priors. So watching these players
just because whoever you thought they were at that other school,
they've basically reinvented themselves at these other schools. So whatever
you thought of bow Knicks or Jade Daniels when they
were at their prior stops, they're completely different players now.
And it's all about development with these quarterbacks. And everybody says, oh,
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he's throwing to League Neighbors and Brian Thomas, But still
how you measure that is is he getting the ball
to them accurately? Or are the receivers having to catch
the ball expand their catch rates? And I didn't see
a lot of that on Elisu's tape. I thought he
was getting the ball in the adequate spaces and adequate ball.
He was using adequate ball placement in certain areas, so
where even though he was only he was throwing to
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these projected two first round picks, he still was putting
the ball in the right places.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Or don't want to move on to wide receivers. So
you're talking about number. You know, this is what we're
seeing with Patriot fans. You know what we read your
mock drafts. You know, everybody analyzes them, and you can't
help but ignore that often Marvin Harrison is just sitting there,
you know, And it's a question of how much to
the Patriots offense seve they need.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Tackles, they need a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But if you're looking at a potential generational wide receiver,
is there an argument to be made that don't overthink it,
just take the top guy on the border.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I think this is the most fascinating debate inside the
top five outside of Chicago, just because we're gonna learn
a lot about Elliot Wolf, who's obviously in charge of
personnel right now, how does he value this quarterbacks and
how far away does he think this roster is. So
there's two ways that they could go with do you
trust putting the quarterback in right now and using the
eighty plus million in projected GAT space that you haven't
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build it up from there, or do I slid back?
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Or I could take Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Junior excuse me, at three and then look to build
it up with future draft capital. Or I could trade
back to another team that's looking for a quarterback too.
So I should say there's three routes that they could go.
That's the big debate right now. I don't know what
they're gonna for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's a couple questions on the receivers. Do you view
this as Marvin Harrison Junior and everybody else? Because I
know there are some people that are starting to creep
neighbors up and I think a Duneesday is almost underrated
at this point. Yeah, So how do you feel about
tiering those three guys?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
So I think Marvin's the best player in the draft. Yeah,
I think that highly of him, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green
and Julio Jones. Jamar Chase, I think he's in the
same tier as those guys as a prospect, just because
of six four, two hundred and fifteen pounds. He's a
big receiver, that has little receiver movement skills. And what
was so impressive to me about Marvin is that Ohio
State has subpar quarterback play last year and he still
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was able to execute at a high level throughout the
season last year. So that shows me that this is
an elite of elite talent at wide receiver. So I'm
a big fan of Marvin, but but also not far
behind his neighbors and a doonsay. So it really just
depends on what type of wide receiver that you want
at the top of the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, and then let's go to Day two for a
second with receivers, because I do think the Patriots personally
are going to go quarterback at three yet I don't
know that.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I'm just saying what I think.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And then you start to look at receiver maybe on
Day two, and I also just looking at the packer
way and how they have you typically done, and it's
usually a lot of Day two receivers. I was down
in Mobile. You know, Rum and Wilson, lad McConkie. Those
guys did stand out. But who do you like on
Day two?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I like quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I think this is a very strong wide receiver class.
We could see as many as six or seven go
in the first round, but day two there's plenty of
depth and you already named some of the good players.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
But another is Malaki Cooley. Yeah, from Western Kentucky.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
He's a little bit raw from a route running aspect,
but if you're looking for a Deebo Samuel Esk type
of receiver that can create and break tackles after the catch,
he's definitely your guy. So I think he had nine
hundred and eighty four receiving yards last year.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Six hundred and eighty came after the catch.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, so that just goes to show you how dangerous
he is after the catch. So Malachi, definitely, it would
be one, more so in the third or fourth round.
Ricky Piersol is another that I like quite a bit,
and he was phenomenal down at the senior ball. I
thought he was one of the most consistent players regardless
of positions.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
What do you think of Brendan Rice.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
I like him. He's a big receiver.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
The thing about Brendan that's really interesting is that he
gets open in his own way.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Going to create consistent, consistent separation, but he's very competitive
at the catch point and there is some receivers that
have been able to cut out a way and be
successful in the NFL that way. So he's going to
have to make a way of making those excuse me,
those competitive catches consistently just because he's not going to
be a consistent separator on the next level.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You talk how deep the wide receiver classes, the tackle
class seems just as deep.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Patriots have huge needs at both tackle spots.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Again, and a lot of these mock drafts where you
take a quarterback or wide receiver and then you just
watch the parade go by and there's like eight nine
tackles that you know oftener are going, what's kind of
your philosophy of this class? Just when you have such
a stack class, do you strike early and try to
get the best one or do you say we're gonna
get a guy and he'll still be pretty good.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Well, once again, it just depends on how they feel
about the quarterbacks and the wide receivers in this class.
And free agency is gonna tell us a ton about
the Patriots and how they feel about this class as
a whole. Just because you're not gonna be able to
get better and improve every position in the draft, So
That's why I said they have a lot of money
to spend in free agency, so where they spend those
free agency dollars will have a better feel as far
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as where they feel is better with this draft class.
But offensive tackle is really one of those classes of
where you can close your eyes and pick one just
because it's so good at the top, and there's some
depth through the second and third round as well. Then
after that it does have a little bit of a
precipitous fall off, but second or third round, I think
there's depth in there's two.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, I feel the same way that it's a really,
really good top of the tackle class. Probably not as
much on Day three as some other classes. But two
guys wanted to ask you about Marius Mims from Georgia.
Eight hundred career snaps. I think he's got like seven
starts under his belt. How the heck do you evaluate
a guy like that because the talent is so clearly there.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Of those dudes actually seen a Maryus yesterday six seven
three and forty pounds, so he's just, yeah, he's an
immense tackle, and you stand beside him, You're like, oh
my god, holy col.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This dude is huge.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
But he's so athletically gifted, and he's expected to do
everything that my sources had confronted. He's expected to do
everything inside of Lucas oil Staium. So I'm excited to
see him and just him coming out and competing and
understanding that have an opportunity to potentially be a top
twenty pick. So what I need to do is go
out and show that my ankle is fully healthy and
fully healed now, just because even though my sample size
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is small, I still can go out.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
And check boxes throughout the pre draft process.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
So even though he has the small sample size, with
eight career starts in three years, I think he has
an opportunity to be a big riser.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Is there anybody that you can think of off the
top of your head that had that small of a
sample size that went on to be a great NFL.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I actually researched it. I couldn't find anybody to add
that limited of a simple.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Size because that really intriguing player that if he does
fall to thirty four for the Patriots in the second round,
it's a first round talent that maybe you get one.
And with the small sample size, I wonder if teams
will view it that way. The other guy actually just
watched him on the plane right here, Kingsley sum type
from Buyu. I was so impressed by how athletic he
is in space for such a big guy. He's another
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that's gonna be a big tester.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
If I had to guess, he'll probably go somewhere late thirties,
early forties. Yeah, So he's definitely gonna be in range
for the Patriots if nobody takes him in the back
end of the first round. So started his career at Oregon,
only played one game there. But the great thing about
him is that he has experience on both sides. He's
played right tackle, he's played left tackle. He's still a
little bit raw, but you're hoping he's one of those
players of where you can bundle those athletic traits around
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his natural gifts and he just needs reps right now.
Once he gets those reps, he has more exposure to
the game. He's only going to get better.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
If you have a sleeper at tackle.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
So one I actually do like. He'll probably end up
going third or fourth round. As Christian Jones of Texas,
I like him too.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
So I'm at the in the Senior Bowl and really
good inset of hands and a lot of those guys
they they're hand placement and stuff like that's a little raw.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And he was impressive.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Yeah, so he started sixty one career games, actually played
sixty years at Texas, so a.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Lot of experience.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Massive human being, six y five, three hundred and twenty pounds,
but he has really good movement skills. Now his technique
does need to be cleaned up a little bit. He
can what I call be a little bit of a
head ducker sometimes, but that's just him being over eager
at the point of attack. So needs to clean that
up a little bit. But you go watch him against Alabama,
him and Dallas Turner and Chris Braswell going against each other.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
It was a fun matchup to watch and I thought
he played really well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Just last one for me outside attackle any other sleepers
or just position groups you feel like aren't being talked
about enough right now, or maybe even a certain guy
that you feel like needs a little bit more buzz.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Oh, that's a great question. Pick a position.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I'm a wide receiver. No, we already did wide receiver again.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Defender ooh, edge rusher Gabriel Murphy of UCLA.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I like him quite a bit. He's another that's probably
gonna be a big tester this week at the combine.
He's a little bit undersize, but you're watching Leatsu Latsu
and you're like, man, who is this dude opposite of him? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
And Gabriel Mury Murphy was that player that made a
lot of plays.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah in the USC game. He definitely hopped a lot
in that game.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
And just last one from me right now as it stands,
when we February twenty sixth or something like that, who
are you picking three overall?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
If you're Elliott.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Wolf, So assuming Drake May is gone, of course I
would say, Jane Dames, I would take a quarterback. Yeah,
the three overall, just because nothing matters, and a rebuild
until you get that position solidified.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
So if they take the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
There, use the cap room to get offensive tackles, to
get receivers, and then just build it up from there.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
All right, Jordan read from me this man. Thanks so
much for joining us, second year in a row. We'll
do it again next year.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Oh problem, Thank you guys as always.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
All right, So great stuff there from Jordan, and we're
just getting started here in India, it's only Wednesday. Somehow
we still have what three four days to go? I
don't know, but it's only it's only going to get
more exciting. And if you remember last year, I mean
this is we were delirious by Saturday. Yeah, you know,
but that's what we love. We're excited to see all
of these guys. And clearly Patriots have a bunch of needs.
They've got a new system in place, so it's really
exciting to see what kind of players they're going to
select this year.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
And we just get like I said, we got cornerbacks.
What the tight ends tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, what else? Really quick? Just on the tight
ends really quick?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well preview.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
This is a group that I don't think is as
good as last year's by any means. It's not as deep,
but there's a couple guys at the top of this draft.
I have tried to get Jatavian Sanders from Texas into
every single mock draft that I do some way, shape
or form, because that's the type of player.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You look at David and Joku.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
In Cleveland and how Alex Van Pelt was able to
unlock him last year in that Browns offense and Jatavian
Sanders reminds me a lot of that explosive, grated with
the ball in his hands, vertical tight end in the
past game that can hit chunk plays all the time.
And you just watch that Texas offense and yeah they
have ad Mitchell, yeah they have Xavier Worthy, but Jatavian
(29:39):
Sanders really stands out. The other guy that stood out
to me in the Senior Bowl is Ben Sinnett from
Kansas State.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Just a really.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Crafty, heady, strong hands, good at the top of the route.
Not necessarily the flash that a Jatavian Sanders would bring
to the offense, but somebody that I think is going
to be really a well rounded pro.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Just a solid NFL TI And obviously brock Bowers.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
We can't dream about brock power, so we can talk.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
About brock Bowers a little bit, but I think that
that's probably not where they're going to go in the
first round. But Sanders in that thirty four range at
the top of the second round, I don't hate it
at all.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And maybe a little later we'd be remiss not to
mention TCUs Jered Wiley, you know that's another option.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I love thosewming frogs. But stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
We'll be here all week with Patriots Draft Countdown, presented
by bud Light. And this is just the start of
this podcast, so it'll continue. Once we get back from Indy.
We'll continue to break down the draft in depth, so
thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We'll be back tomorrow
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