April 17, 2024 • 25 mins
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the New England Patriots. Guys, today we have the quarterback segment,
which is what everybody's been waiting for obviously, But before
we get into that, we're gonna go over some latest news.
We got Chris Cassidy, Evan Zar, Paul Parillo, and guys,
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I think the news of the weekend is Michael Pennix.
It is supposed to show up right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Today, I think a dinner tonight and then dinner last night,
visit today, which is what they've been doing with all
the quarterbacks. So h the first time that they've shown
real interest in Michael Penix. They did meet with him
at the senior role, but they've met with pretty much
everybody that plays in the Senior Bowl down in mobiles.
So this is the first time that I think Elliott
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Wolfe and Girod Mayo are going to have a legitimate
time to get to know Michael Pennix a little bit.
And obviously the medicals are going to be big with
him for every team, So getting him here, getting probably
a physical exam by your doctors and your facility, all
those things play a big factor. We can obviously talk
about different scenarios of how they end up with Michael Pennix,
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but I think the overall takeaway from me is just
no stone unturned. You know, this is a guy that
deserves a seat at the table and a spot in
the conversation, and I think it would have been a
little bit disappointing if they went the whole process and
essentially just ignored Michael Pennix. Even if it ends up
being Drake may or Jaden or JJ McCarthy at three,
I still like the idea of at least getting to
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know some of these guys.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Agreed, Paul, you got a think on this.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
No, well, that's four of the quarterbacks though, now that
they used official thirty visits on so I agree with Evan.
I think that it's one of those deals if something
out of outside the box comes up, come the April
twenty fifth, and I don't know, maybe Washington takes Drake
May and Drake May was the one. You know, something happens,
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you know, along those terms, and somebody comes after you,
you know, with a really overly aggressive bag. You know,
as Mao said, now you have to have some some fallback.
You have to have some intel on the guy who
you might have to get, you know, early in the
second round, or do you want to trade up out
of the early second round into the late first round,
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And Michael Pennix would be probably the best candidate for that.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Are Yeah, yeah, I was gonna just chime in there.
I mean, I think the Patriots are right now, are
just testing the waters. I think it's you gotta be
able to see all these guys, especially in any scenario
where again, if there is a trade back situation where
the Patriots do fall back and end up with a
quarterback in the second round, like you have to you
have to look at these guys. It's important to look
at these guys and see what you're going to get
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from them, how they're going to be personality wise, and
obviously health wise, so it's all important.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, there's no doubt that off of the film, Michael
Penix is probably QB four in this draft. I think
his draft yere film is better than what JJ McCarthy
did at Michigan last year. And if it wasn't for
the medical situation, who knows how high he could go
in this draft. You know, he's a little bit older
of a prospect. It did take him a while in
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college with all the injuries, but there's not a very
you know, very few guys in this draft. I would
say with the pinpoint downfield accuracy, you know, in terms
of the downfield ball, placement on the deep ball is
exceptional on film with Penick. So I still think that
he as much as I feel like a lot of
people have cooled on him, I feel like in some
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ways from since you know, the season, in the Michigan game,
obviously in the college football playoff, I think is a
big reason why after the Texas game, this guy was
like everybody's darling, right, Like everybody was all all over
the place, you know, talking about Michael Pennix. So I
definitely I think that he's someone that can go early
in this.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Draft, like if he's if there's a second tier, then
you know air quote for that, he's probably the top
guy I think. So, you know, that's a good fallback.
But as I said, guys, this episode is mostly on quarterbacks,
so we're going to get way more into this. We
got JJ McCarthy talk Jayden Daniels and of course Drake
May So we hope you enjoy this episode and we'll
talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
All right, we're here with our final positional preview here
in twenty twenty four Patriots Draft countdown, and guys, it's
the quarterback position. It's a huge one for the Patriots.
It's really kind of what we've been talking about all spring.
I don't know if it was good to save this
one to the end because I feel like we're talked
out on this already. But let's just give a nice
broad overview. And Paul, I want to start with you
and Caleb Williams, who you know, exciting dynamic player and
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it seems like a luck he's going to go to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah. The first time we had this show on I
don't know, November thirteenth, Yeah, I felt like there was
a clear separation between Williams and the rest. Yeah, and
it's certainly seems like it's stayed the that way, you know,
in the media. I think it kind of fluctuates with
the off field stuff and the crying and you know,
other factors there. But I just feel like his ability
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off platform to make some plays. He's very accurate, obviously
dynamic running as well. He's a little small, you know,
at six ' one ish and he's definitely loose with
the football. So there's no such thing as a perfect
prospect any year, but this year, no one's talking about
Kayleb Williams as sort of that special generational kind of talent.
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I don't think he is, but I think he's clearly
QB one as Evan and the kids.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Say, do you think Evan? Do you think he could
be that guy? Though if he kind of irons out
some of those details.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I would say that his his arm talent generational. I
don't know. I agree with Paul that he's got wartz
to his game, that he's going to have to work
out with ball security and taking too many sacks and
things like that, but his arm talents generational. You know,
he's got that ability, like Paul is saying off platform
to not just throw the ball down the field, you know,
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ten yards, he can throw it sixty yards and accurately
off platform. You know, he makes some throws on film
that are just disgusting, like you're just like, come on,
like really, like what are you supposed to do about that?
So he's incredibly incredibly talented. I know that his personality
is not for everybody. We're going to leave that to
the side. His football ability is, you know, his ability
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on film is is exceptional. And I've I've wired a wire,
I've had him one one, I've had him in his
own tier, like he's he's a tier above everybody else
in this class tom Me. Is he in the Andrew
luck sphere? Probably not, but he's right below that sphere.
I would say that maybe we all should have thought
of Trevor Lawrence like a little bit less of that
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generational type mate, And I think that Caleb's in a
similar category.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Which tis I'm not going to We've covered. I feel
like we covered Caleb if you don't need to believe
labor the point. So let's just get right to Drake.
May I mean, I think all of us are will
be very excited if the Patriots were able to land
and him, you know, just prototypical size. He's got some athleticism,
he's got some of the off platform stuff, he's got
some creativity to his game. He's just kind of a
radic at times. But he's still just twenty one years old.
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But it seems like he's got all the tools in
the shed.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean, he carried a bad UNC team last year,
not this past season. Year before. I mean, it really
was Drake May and Kale Williams and even there were
some scenarios where Drake May was going to be the
number one guy. So that's a guy you can come in.
He's young, if you know the offense, Say the Patriots,
we're lucky enough to get him at three. We're not
ready for him. You can sit him. He'll just grow
behind Jacobe Burssett. We don't know what's going to happen,
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but at this point, I just hope the Commanders don't
take him. So that's all of us.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But you guys, I mean, this is this is the
guy we should probably spend the most time on. Bright Paul.
I mean, yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Him and Daniels. Daniels a little bit more than you do,
but May would be my pick as well. I just
I think think there's a lot of athleticism there, you know,
prototypical size six ' four to twenty five or so.
I think he can run, He's he's been an effective runner.
There's inconsistencies. Again, there's no perfect guys. He's loses his
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accuracy at times. The mechanics are an issue. I think
those things are coachable. I think he has the things
that you can't teach in terms of the physical tools.
I mean, I think there's a lot to like there.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I think
the biggest thing is with Drake May is that this mold,
this archetype is working out more and more in the
league now that they are these private quarterback coaches in
the offseason, and there's a little bit more knowledge of
what's important and what's not when it comes to footwork
and things like that. You see so many of these
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guys now, and I think that Drake May is right
in the mold of Alan Herbert Jordan Love, like all
those types of players, that it'll work itself out more
times than not. Now, you know, maybe twenty years ago
we had trouble with these kinds of players now, it
feels like the developmental track is a lot easier for them.
You look at the high end throws, like the big
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time throws down the field. Nobody's made more of them
in college football over the last two years than Drake May.
So you see those big time throws, those high level
franchise QB plays, he has those. Just to Paul's point,
he has to be more consistent with the layups. It's
actually the easy throws that he has harder trouble with
than the big time throws. So that's a little bit backwards,
but in a lot of ways, I just kind of
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described Josh Allen, you know, coming out of college. So
that's the way that I look at it with Drake
May is that we've we've gotten better of developing that
kind of talent in the league, and I think it
has panned out more times than not recently.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, we talked about it's a good transition though to
Jayden and Daniels, who you know similar, I mean, has
to kind of develop probably more along the lines of
a Lamar Jackson. You know, Paul, you mentioned that, you know,
I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more concerned.
There are a few just traits in him that I
see that I see coming and if they don't develop,
you know, I be kind of mad at myself. But
you know, why don't you set up Jade Daniels a
little bit?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah. I just think that the the ability to run
is the X factor there, and these guys are all mobile.
Caleb Williams is a terrific runner too. I'm not saying
that Daniels is the only guy, but I do think
that he separates himself a little bit as a runner,
and I think sometimes that can make up for some
of the inefficiencies. He's like everybody else, though he's going
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to have to learn how to do it from the
pocket and you know, get the ball out on time
and being rhythm make his progressions. I think for a
lot of these guys, there was a lot of one
read stuff. Evan would probably speak to that a little
bit more than I would. But there's a lot to
like about Daniels. And you know, I think the fact
that the size of the frame, you know, it's not
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that much different than Lamar Jackson, a little smaller. So
I think some people felt like that durability would be
an issue I was one of them. You know, it
looks like he's you know, if he can play it
two ten or you know, two fifteen. I think that's
big enough. There's a lot to like there.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I think he's very different stylistically than Lamar. He runs
differently tax different areas of the field as a thrower,
but the way that defenses have to account for his
mobility is very similar to Lamar. So you're gonna get
into a game plan defensively against the Patriots and you
are going to have to have a coordinated rush plan
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of how are we going to contain Jaden Daniels in
the pocket, Because when he gets out of the pocket
and runs, he's a fifty yard touchdown waiting to happen.
I mean, he will turn on the tape against Florida
or Alabama and he is just taking off running for
huge chunks, not just ten yards at a time. Fifty
sixty seventy eighty five yard touchdown against Florida running the football.
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So that's a difference making trait that he has as
a passer, though there are has some hesitations with his profile.
He has a lot of overlap as a thrower with
justin fields and with Jalen Hurts. So that's the scale
that I have put him on. Jalen Hurts is like, well,
I think what it could be if everything around him
is in the right order. And I think with him,
it's really about having those outside receivers that can win
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one on one because he's not somebody that likes to
throw the ball to the middle of the field. He's
not gonna hit the layered anticipatory rhythm throws between the numbers.
It's not his game. That's where the Justin Fields thing
kind of comes in. There's a lot of sacks on film.
There's a lot of you know, when he gets pressure,
he's gonna get sacked. He's not elusive, overly in the pocket,
and he's not big, so when you hit him, he's
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gonna go down. So those are the things that I
think give you concern about Jayden Daniels. Is just that
we look at what just happened with Justin Fields in Chicago.
If you don't give him a good offensive line and
he really you know, DJ Moore is like the best
receiver he's ever worked with, then it's gonna be a
little bit of a projection of what he can do
as a thrower, but I think he's a much better
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natural runner than Justin fields is, So I put him
more in the Lamar category that in that what.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Do you think you got Daniels? Should we move on
to to McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Well, what I want to add about Daniels real quick
is that the difference between him and Lamar's Lamar is
a bit better avoiding the hits. I mean, there's some
footage of Jade Daniels getting absolutely planted, and I'm also
worried that he had the way to get as Evan
said Malik neighbors Brian Thomas, I just don't know if
that'd be a great fit for the Pats. Well, once again,
it's something we haven't had before because Cam kind of
didn't have the arm when.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He was here.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, Lamar is more creative as a runner too, Like
Lamar is more elusive and more jitterbuggy as a runner,
Jaden Daniels is a shot out of a cannon type
of runner, Like when he sees a gap, he's going
to just explode through it. You know. If you want
to compare him as a runner, I see a lot
of Kaepernick and how he runs the ball. That's it's
a straight line speed. He's not a dancer like Lamar is.
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You know, Lamar's got at all. I think that that
still can be really valuable, but it's just a little
bit of a different running style.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
All right. So let's move now to you know, probably
the most polarizing prospect, Jaj McCarthy, who wasn't really even
I mean, I don't feel like he was even polarizing
like to start the process, and then just in the
last month or so, Paul, he's really become the guy
that you know, just everyone has him going all the
way up to three of the Patriots. I mean, does
that sound crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
We're a couple of weeks out now, and it certainly
seems like I'd be surprised at this point with the
amount of buzz that he's gotten if he doesn't go
in the top ten. So I'm not necessarily sure how
this all happened, but there is a skill set there
that I think is a little underrated. He is polarizing, you, right, Mike,
but I do think he has a good degree of
athleticism in mobility. He's not the runner per se that
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the other guys are, but he can move and he's
got a terrific arm. Matter of fact, some people criticize
that it's all fastballs, like he needs to sort of
vary the routine a little bit. But there's to me,
it's that the cliched question. He never had to carry
the team at Michigan, so that's a projection. You don't
know if he can do it.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, I've been pretty critical of the McCarthy stuff.
I think his floor is probably the Minnesota at eleven,
Like if they just waited out and do the mac
jones thing, or you just hope he falls in your
lap at eleven, then maybe you know that ends up
happening there. I think the biggest thing with McCarthy is
that the strains there are that he plays with instructure
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of a pro style offense at Michigan. So that's nice
and easily translate to the NFL. Like when he's on
time and he's on the first read, this is what
he's capable of doing. We can see that on film,
even in a small sample size. He's also, to Paul's point,
he's very very quick and agile in the pocket. He's nimble,
he can move around the pocket, he can evade rushers.
He can keep his eyes downfield and throw off of that.
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He's not a scrambler, but he's a thrower within that confine.
So he's very good there. He put down a six
point eight two three cone, so you can see the quickness,
like he's got that change of direction ability. I think
the biggest thing with him is just a lack of creativity.
You know, he's an instructure player, and there's just not
a whole lot of times in structure that I see
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him really using some of the different quarterback tools to
hit bigger plays down the field, Like let's come off. Yeah,
the first read might be an open six yard completion,
but if I come off the first read, the second
reads an eighty yard touchdown. You see him stick on
to the first read a little bit too often. There's
not a lot of pump fakes or manipulation or real
creativity or playmaking to his game. So that's why I've
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really consistently compared him to Purty because I feel like
Brock Purdy is one of those guys that, yeah, if
it's all on time and if the guys are getting
open and the scheme is working and all this kind
of stuff, he could be a prolific you know, he's
what runner up for MVP last year, really efficient guy.
But is he going to be the reason that you
look back and say JJ McCarthy carried us that day,
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like he was the reason why we won this game.
I don't see that in the league. And I think
that that's if you're picking at three, your guy has
to have that type of potential. He has to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, I just don't think he's the dynamic player worth
the number three pick. You don't go four and thirteen
to take bow NICKX, you don't go forur and thirteen
to take JJ McCarthy. It's just it's not the right move.
If you're at eleven, it makes more sense. That's kind
of player you hope falls in your lap. I just
don't think he's worth that high a pick.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So let's round out just the big names to talk
to group. Michael Pennis last you know, last one obviously
had really nice game in the semifinals. Injury history, big
arm down the field.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Paul.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, he's certainly got some trade, but he's a
guy that seems kind of like he's fallen off a
little bit with.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
The high Quiet yeah, and the Patriots really haven't expressed
much interest or haven't had much of their interest publicized
at least around him. So but yeah, terrific passer. I think,
maybe arguably the best passer in the draft, but you
do not get the dynamic elements that most of these
other guys give you.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, other than May, he's probably the most pinpoint accurate
on the deep ball. You know, him and May are
kind of in that category, and Caleb obviously too, but
I don't really count him because he's going to the Bears.
So you know, between the guys that are going to
be Patriots potentially, I'd say Penix is downfield throws and
just those absolutely perfect, pletely placed passes like the Penix
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has that. The issues with Penix, other than the injuries,
of course, which you have to mention, is under pressure.
His accuracy and his velocity on the football dips when
he's got pressure in his face, he's got people at
his feet, things like that. We saw that in the
National Championship game. But it comes up in other pockets
when he was under pressure during the season against better teams.
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He like an Oregon or something like that. So that
does happen with him. But if you put the injuries
to the side, and you're a team that clears him
medically and feel good about him medically, which some teams
I think do, then you can convince yourself that he's
got that leadership, that it thing that we were talking
about with McCarthy a little bit. He's got good downfield
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accuracy for the most part, so you know, you could
talk yourself into Michael Pennix. But based off of what
they've done pre draft, I just think it's risky to
take Penix without doing real homework on him. And maybe
it's all been private and maybe it's all been to
behind closed doors, but to not have him here for
a thirty visit, to not go to his pro day
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with the big decision makers and all this kind of stuff,
it's I would I would be a little bit scared. Yeah,
he might be.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's interesting. You can't ignore the injuries. But I think
the year before he had about three thready won thirty
two touchdowns, falls up with thirty six kind of crazy.
Think what one game can do. He had the match
a game against Texas, doesn't play as well in the final,
so it kind of be interesting where he'd be at
if that Texas game was the final game. But it
is risky, but he's one of those players if you hit,
it could be good news for the franchise.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So it seems like, I mean some more than others,
but this hopefully the Patriots. One of these guys is
on the Patriots, like hopefully one of those top six.
But as we get down here, and I know Evan
you said before, like, I mean, it's just not a
great class after that kind of top six, and it's
just who kind of intrigues you a little bit. I
just throw out two names that I kind of like.
I mean, Joe Milton. I don't even know if I
like him. I'm just like, I just like watching him
chuck the deep can ignore, you know and walk away
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and just put the finger up.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Might be the best.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to watch. And I
look at that as you know, it's a late round
guy where hey, I'm always a fan of drafting quarterbacks,
but you know, giving him a chance, like just to
come into training camp and watch him as like you
almost like JJ Taylor was where I'm like, oh, he'll
be fun in training camp. He's never going to play
it down a meaningful down for the team, but at
least it'll make kind.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Of make some fun preseason games, you know. I think
Milton would be interesting in a year like the Kenny
Pickett year where there's not really that consensus. One guy,
I see what team takes a reach on him.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He's got I mean, he's got traits. The other one,
I just, you know, throw out Jordan Travis from Florida State,
who I know, you know, really undersize coming off a
big injury. But I just wonder. I just think there's
something there. I just like him. I like listening to
him with the combine, you know. But again, like this
is like we're talking to day three developmental guy. I
don't know, Paul, you got any comments on those guys
or if there's other guys that you know, just two guys.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Are also both a little older, you know, I had
a longer career. I think they both were in college
for six years.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, Travis is almost twenty four years.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, the million so he had some time at Louisville
before Florida State. In Milton obviously at Michigan before Tennessee.
I don't I like Travis Moore. Milton has gotten opportunities
to play and not been overly productive. Travis was very productive.
He was very much in the Heisman Trophy running with
Daniels this year before he got suffered that injury. But
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the size worries me. To me, if you look him
down here, then you're gonna roll the dice. It's Rattler's
Spencer Rattler, who I don't love. But the ability, I
think the tools combined with the production in college, I
think at a higher level, if you're going to roll
the dice on a on a mid mid round pick,
I think he'd beat the guy.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, Joe Milton's not good at football, like Joe Milton is.
If it's a pro day, if it's a combine, he's
going to be the star of the show. When you
actually watch him play football, He's not good.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
It's also a system that no one has really thrived in. Yeah,
Josh Hippel's system in the NFL. It's a college system.
It's just that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He's got a cannon of an arm, he's got size,
he's got athleticism, you know, in a lot of ways,
like there's guys like that, you know, Anthony Richardson, right,
But Anthony Richardson's got natural quarterback in stinks and ability
to play the game. Joe Milton is not like that.
I think that, you know, we did, I don't know
if we mentioned bo Nicks. You know, Boonix is probably
skipped over the early day too. You know, I've called
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him vanilla ice cream in the past, like he's one
of those guys with bow Knicks though that is accurate
and on time, and he's gonna hit the short game
and he's gonna do hit the layups in the offense.
He's not gonna do anything else. Like, it's not gonna
be it's not gonna be explosive, it's not gonna be fun.
It's not gonna be creative. But if you're just looking
for a distributor, a point guard at the position, and
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bow Knicks has some ability to do that. I've heard,
you know, Alex Smith, you know, best case scenario maybe
like a Baker Mayfield, you know, like those types of
comps for him. He's a little bit more athletic than
like a mac Jones, Like he can run around a
little bit more so, he's got some skill. Spencer Rattler,
I think has two things going for him. He's got
a huge arm. He's got natural arm talent, can flick
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it from any platform. He's really got a good arm,
and he's got a decent feel for navigating pressure in
the pocket. You know, he's got some of that bob
and weave to him in the pocket. But he holds
the ball a lot. It doesn't see the field particularly great.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And his skills a lot. Yeah, he has a lot
of skill, but he sometimes relies a little too much
on him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, and he's a shade over six feet tall, so
he's not the biggest guy either. I think great com
for him is Gardner Minshew. You know, you can see
that there is ability there. But is he ever going
to be the guy that is your guy, like this
is our franchise quarterback. Probably not, but I think he's
gonna kick around the league for like a decade as
like a high end backup type of player.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Does any other guys, these these late round guys.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That Rattler was my other guy, Rattler Penix and Penix
is probably gonna go higher than Ratler, or hopefully he does.
But other than that, Drake Maybaby, anybody we missed anyone else?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
A little high on the.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, Bradley from Southern Alabama or South Alabama, I don't
know which one it is. Carter Bradley, he's got he's athletic.
You know, he's a good athlete. He can run around
a little bit. You know, Between him and Michael Pratt,
one of those guys is going to stick in the
league as the same kind of category as Spencer Rattler,
like a high end backup, low end starter, spot starter,
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that type of player. Bradley probably available a little bit
later than Pratt. Pratt has a chance, I think to
be like a top one fifty pick. You know, he'd
probably go by the end of the fourth round. I
like Pratt, Yeah, you know, he's he's not what you
think he is. Pratt. Like you think that you're turning
on a tape of like a guy that just doesn't
have the physical tools but has the timing and the
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rhythm down. He's actually the opposite. Like he's actually pretty
toolsy for a guy that went to that level of school.
But he's he's just not in the category of some
of these other guys in terms of physical ability, and
he's you know, the timing is not always great either,
So there's some developmental stuff that needs to be done there.
But he's bigger and stronger and faster than you would
think for for where he went to school.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I just wanted to bring those guys up. For those
of you looking for the double dip. You know they're
going to get somebody in the first round and oh
it's the fifth round. You know what's let's do the
Kirk Cousins RG three thing. Pratt could be a you know,
a good pick for that. Yep, Yeah, guy Brad be
a good pick for that.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I think Pratt is the guy for that, not just
because he kind of looks like Kirk Couzin, but I
also do like that because I think that Rattler, Nicks, Pennix,
like those guys are going to be top one hundred picks.
So if you're really looking for the double dip, you're
thinking fourth or fifth round at the earliest is when
you're going to take the other quarterback.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
All right, well that's going to do it here. For
all of our positional previews, certainly quarterback an important one.
Hopefully the Patriots are able to nab one of those
top prospects. So just over a week to go, folks,
we're getting close.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
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all of our positional prospect previews.
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the New England Patriots. Guys, today we have the quarterback segment,
which is what everybody's been waiting for obviously, But before
we get into that, we're gonna go over some latest news.
We got Chris Cassidy, Evan Zar, Paul Parillo, and guys,
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I think the news of the weekend is Michael Pennix.
It is supposed to show up right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Today, I think a dinner tonight and then dinner last night,
visit today, which is what they've been doing with all
the quarterbacks. So h the first time that they've shown
real interest in Michael Penix. They did meet with him
at the senior role, but they've met with pretty much
everybody that plays in the Senior Bowl down in mobiles.
So this is the first time that I think Elliott
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Wolfe and Girod Mayo are going to have a legitimate
time to get to know Michael Pennix a little bit.
And obviously the medicals are going to be big with
him for every team, So getting him here, getting probably
a physical exam by your doctors and your facility, all
those things play a big factor. We can obviously talk
about different scenarios of how they end up with Michael Pennix,
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but I think the overall takeaway from me is just
no stone unturned. You know, this is a guy that
deserves a seat at the table and a spot in
the conversation, and I think it would have been a
little bit disappointing if they went the whole process and
essentially just ignored Michael Pennix. Even if it ends up
being Drake may or Jaden or JJ McCarthy at three,
I still like the idea of at least getting to
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know some of these guys.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Agreed, Paul, you got a think on this.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
No, well, that's four of the quarterbacks though, now that
they used official thirty visits on so I agree with Evan.
I think that it's one of those deals if something
out of outside the box comes up, come the April
twenty fifth, and I don't know, maybe Washington takes Drake
May and Drake May was the one. You know, something happens,
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you know, along those terms, and somebody comes after you,
you know, with a really overly aggressive bag. You know,
as Mao said, now you have to have some some fallback.
You have to have some intel on the guy who
you might have to get, you know, early in the
second round, or do you want to trade up out
of the early second round into the late first round,
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And Michael Pennix would be probably the best candidate for that.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Are Yeah, yeah, I was gonna just chime in there.
I mean, I think the Patriots are right now, are
just testing the waters. I think it's you gotta be
able to see all these guys, especially in any scenario
where again, if there is a trade back situation where
the Patriots do fall back and end up with a
quarterback in the second round, like you have to you
have to look at these guys. It's important to look
at these guys and see what you're going to get
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from them, how they're going to be personality wise, and
obviously health wise, so it's all important.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, there's no doubt that off of the film, Michael
Penix is probably QB four in this draft. I think
his draft yere film is better than what JJ McCarthy
did at Michigan last year. And if it wasn't for
the medical situation, who knows how high he could go
in this draft. You know, he's a little bit older
of a prospect. It did take him a while in
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college with all the injuries, but there's not a very
you know, very few guys in this draft. I would
say with the pinpoint downfield accuracy, you know, in terms
of the downfield ball, placement on the deep ball is
exceptional on film with Penick. So I still think that
he as much as I feel like a lot of
people have cooled on him, I feel like in some
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ways from since you know, the season, in the Michigan game,
obviously in the college football playoff, I think is a
big reason why after the Texas game, this guy was
like everybody's darling, right, Like everybody was all all over
the place, you know, talking about Michael Pennix. So I
definitely I think that he's someone that can go early
in this.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Draft, like if he's if there's a second tier, then
you know air quote for that, he's probably the top
guy I think. So, you know, that's a good fallback.
But as I said, guys, this episode is mostly on quarterbacks,
so we're going to get way more into this. We
got JJ McCarthy talk Jayden Daniels and of course Drake
May So we hope you enjoy this episode and we'll
talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
All right, we're here with our final positional preview here
in twenty twenty four Patriots Draft countdown, and guys, it's
the quarterback position. It's a huge one for the Patriots.
It's really kind of what we've been talking about all spring.
I don't know if it was good to save this
one to the end because I feel like we're talked
out on this already. But let's just give a nice
broad overview. And Paul, I want to start with you
and Caleb Williams, who you know, exciting dynamic player and
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it seems like a luck he's going to go to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah. The first time we had this show on I
don't know, November thirteenth, Yeah, I felt like there was
a clear separation between Williams and the rest. Yeah, and
it's certainly seems like it's stayed the that way, you know,
in the media. I think it kind of fluctuates with
the off field stuff and the crying and you know,
other factors there. But I just feel like his ability
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off platform to make some plays. He's very accurate, obviously
dynamic running as well. He's a little small, you know,
at six ' one ish and he's definitely loose with
the football. So there's no such thing as a perfect
prospect any year, but this year, no one's talking about
Kayleb Williams as sort of that special generational kind of talent.
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I don't think he is, but I think he's clearly
QB one as Evan and the kids.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Say, do you think Evan? Do you think he could
be that guy? Though if he kind of irons out
some of those details.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I would say that his his arm talent generational. I
don't know. I agree with Paul that he's got wartz
to his game, that he's going to have to work
out with ball security and taking too many sacks and
things like that, but his arm talents generational. You know,
he's got that ability, like Paul is saying off platform
to not just throw the ball down the field, you know,
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ten yards, he can throw it sixty yards and accurately
off platform. You know, he makes some throws on film
that are just disgusting, like you're just like, come on,
like really, like what are you supposed to do about that?
So he's incredibly incredibly talented. I know that his personality
is not for everybody. We're going to leave that to
the side. His football ability is, you know, his ability
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on film is is exceptional. And I've I've wired a wire,
I've had him one one, I've had him in his
own tier, like he's he's a tier above everybody else
in this class tom Me. Is he in the Andrew
luck sphere? Probably not, but he's right below that sphere.
I would say that maybe we all should have thought
of Trevor Lawrence like a little bit less of that
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generational type mate, And I think that Caleb's in a
similar category.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Which tis I'm not going to We've covered. I feel
like we covered Caleb if you don't need to believe
labor the point. So let's just get right to Drake.
May I mean, I think all of us are will
be very excited if the Patriots were able to land
and him, you know, just prototypical size. He's got some athleticism,
he's got some of the off platform stuff, he's got
some creativity to his game. He's just kind of a
radic at times. But he's still just twenty one years old.
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But it seems like he's got all the tools in
the shed.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean, he carried a bad UNC team last year,
not this past season. Year before. I mean, it really
was Drake May and Kale Williams and even there were
some scenarios where Drake May was going to be the
number one guy. So that's a guy you can come in.
He's young, if you know the offense, Say the Patriots,
we're lucky enough to get him at three. We're not
ready for him. You can sit him. He'll just grow
behind Jacobe Burssett. We don't know what's going to happen,
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but at this point, I just hope the Commanders don't
take him. So that's all of us.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But you guys, I mean, this is this is the
guy we should probably spend the most time on. Bright Paul.
I mean, yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Him and Daniels. Daniels a little bit more than you do,
but May would be my pick as well. I just
I think think there's a lot of athleticism there, you know,
prototypical size six ' four to twenty five or so.
I think he can run, He's he's been an effective runner.
There's inconsistencies. Again, there's no perfect guys. He's loses his
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accuracy at times. The mechanics are an issue. I think
those things are coachable. I think he has the things
that you can't teach in terms of the physical tools.
I mean, I think there's a lot to like there.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I think
the biggest thing is with Drake May is that this mold,
this archetype is working out more and more in the
league now that they are these private quarterback coaches in
the offseason, and there's a little bit more knowledge of
what's important and what's not when it comes to footwork
and things like that. You see so many of these
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guys now, and I think that Drake May is right
in the mold of Alan Herbert Jordan Love, like all
those types of players, that it'll work itself out more
times than not. Now, you know, maybe twenty years ago
we had trouble with these kinds of players now, it
feels like the developmental track is a lot easier for them.
You look at the high end throws, like the big
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time throws down the field. Nobody's made more of them
in college football over the last two years than Drake May.
So you see those big time throws, those high level
franchise QB plays, he has those. Just to Paul's point,
he has to be more consistent with the layups. It's
actually the easy throws that he has harder trouble with
than the big time throws. So that's a little bit backwards,
but in a lot of ways, I just kind of
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described Josh Allen, you know, coming out of college. So
that's the way that I look at it with Drake
May is that we've we've gotten better of developing that
kind of talent in the league, and I think it
has panned out more times than not recently.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, we talked about it's a good transition though to
Jayden and Daniels, who you know similar, I mean, has
to kind of develop probably more along the lines of
a Lamar Jackson. You know, Paul, you mentioned that, you know,
I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more concerned.
There are a few just traits in him that I
see that I see coming and if they don't develop,
you know, I be kind of mad at myself. But
you know, why don't you set up Jade Daniels a
little bit?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah. I just think that the the ability to run
is the X factor there, and these guys are all mobile.
Caleb Williams is a terrific runner too. I'm not saying
that Daniels is the only guy, but I do think
that he separates himself a little bit as a runner,
and I think sometimes that can make up for some
of the inefficiencies. He's like everybody else, though he's going
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to have to learn how to do it from the
pocket and you know, get the ball out on time
and being rhythm make his progressions. I think for a
lot of these guys, there was a lot of one
read stuff. Evan would probably speak to that a little
bit more than I would. But there's a lot to
like about Daniels. And you know, I think the fact
that the size of the frame, you know, it's not
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that much different than Lamar Jackson, a little smaller. So
I think some people felt like that durability would be
an issue I was one of them. You know, it
looks like he's you know, if he can play it
two ten or you know, two fifteen. I think that's
big enough. There's a lot to like there.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I think he's very different stylistically than Lamar. He runs
differently tax different areas of the field as a thrower,
but the way that defenses have to account for his
mobility is very similar to Lamar. So you're gonna get
into a game plan defensively against the Patriots and you
are going to have to have a coordinated rush plan
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of how are we going to contain Jaden Daniels in
the pocket, Because when he gets out of the pocket
and runs, he's a fifty yard touchdown waiting to happen.
I mean, he will turn on the tape against Florida
or Alabama and he is just taking off running for
huge chunks, not just ten yards at a time. Fifty
sixty seventy eighty five yard touchdown against Florida running the football.
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So that's a difference making trait that he has as
a passer, though there are has some hesitations with his profile.
He has a lot of overlap as a thrower with
justin fields and with Jalen Hurts. So that's the scale
that I have put him on. Jalen Hurts is like, well,
I think what it could be if everything around him
is in the right order. And I think with him,
it's really about having those outside receivers that can win
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one on one because he's not somebody that likes to
throw the ball to the middle of the field. He's
not gonna hit the layered anticipatory rhythm throws between the numbers.
It's not his game. That's where the Justin Fields thing
kind of comes in. There's a lot of sacks on film.
There's a lot of you know, when he gets pressure,
he's gonna get sacked. He's not elusive, overly in the pocket,
and he's not big, so when you hit him, he's
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gonna go down. So those are the things that I
think give you concern about Jayden Daniels. Is just that
we look at what just happened with Justin Fields in Chicago.
If you don't give him a good offensive line and
he really you know, DJ Moore is like the best
receiver he's ever worked with, then it's gonna be a
little bit of a projection of what he can do
as a thrower, but I think he's a much better
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natural runner than Justin fields is, So I put him
more in the Lamar category that in that what.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Do you think you got Daniels? Should we move on
to to McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Well, what I want to add about Daniels real quick
is that the difference between him and Lamar's Lamar is
a bit better avoiding the hits. I mean, there's some
footage of Jade Daniels getting absolutely planted, and I'm also
worried that he had the way to get as Evan
said Malik neighbors Brian Thomas, I just don't know if
that'd be a great fit for the Pats. Well, once again,
it's something we haven't had before because Cam kind of
didn't have the arm when.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He was here.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, Lamar is more creative as a runner too, Like
Lamar is more elusive and more jitterbuggy as a runner,
Jaden Daniels is a shot out of a cannon type
of runner, Like when he sees a gap, he's going
to just explode through it. You know. If you want
to compare him as a runner, I see a lot
of Kaepernick and how he runs the ball. That's it's
a straight line speed. He's not a dancer like Lamar is.
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You know, Lamar's got at all. I think that that
still can be really valuable, but it's just a little
bit of a different running style.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
All right. So let's move now to you know, probably
the most polarizing prospect, Jaj McCarthy, who wasn't really even
I mean, I don't feel like he was even polarizing
like to start the process, and then just in the
last month or so, Paul, he's really become the guy
that you know, just everyone has him going all the
way up to three of the Patriots. I mean, does
that sound crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
We're a couple of weeks out now, and it certainly
seems like I'd be surprised at this point with the
amount of buzz that he's gotten if he doesn't go
in the top ten. So I'm not necessarily sure how
this all happened, but there is a skill set there
that I think is a little underrated. He is polarizing, you, right, Mike,
but I do think he has a good degree of
athleticism in mobility. He's not the runner per se that
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the other guys are, but he can move and he's
got a terrific arm. Matter of fact, some people criticize
that it's all fastballs, like he needs to sort of
vary the routine a little bit. But there's to me,
it's that the cliched question. He never had to carry
the team at Michigan, so that's a projection. You don't
know if he can do it.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, I've been pretty critical of the McCarthy stuff.
I think his floor is probably the Minnesota at eleven,
Like if they just waited out and do the mac
jones thing, or you just hope he falls in your
lap at eleven, then maybe you know that ends up
happening there. I think the biggest thing with McCarthy is
that the strains there are that he plays with instructure
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of a pro style offense at Michigan. So that's nice
and easily translate to the NFL. Like when he's on
time and he's on the first read, this is what
he's capable of doing. We can see that on film,
even in a small sample size. He's also, to Paul's point,
he's very very quick and agile in the pocket. He's nimble,
he can move around the pocket, he can evade rushers.
He can keep his eyes downfield and throw off of that.
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He's not a scrambler, but he's a thrower within that confine.
So he's very good there. He put down a six
point eight two three cone, so you can see the quickness,
like he's got that change of direction ability. I think
the biggest thing with him is just a lack of creativity.
You know, he's an instructure player, and there's just not
a whole lot of times in structure that I see
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him really using some of the different quarterback tools to
hit bigger plays down the field, Like let's come off. Yeah,
the first read might be an open six yard completion,
but if I come off the first read, the second
reads an eighty yard touchdown. You see him stick on
to the first read a little bit too often. There's
not a lot of pump fakes or manipulation or real
creativity or playmaking to his game. So that's why I've
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really consistently compared him to Purty because I feel like
Brock Purdy is one of those guys that, yeah, if
it's all on time and if the guys are getting
open and the scheme is working and all this kind
of stuff, he could be a prolific you know, he's
what runner up for MVP last year, really efficient guy.
But is he going to be the reason that you
look back and say JJ McCarthy carried us that day,
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like he was the reason why we won this game.
I don't see that in the league. And I think
that that's if you're picking at three, your guy has
to have that type of potential. He has to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, I just don't think he's the dynamic player worth
the number three pick. You don't go four and thirteen
to take bow NICKX, you don't go forur and thirteen
to take JJ McCarthy. It's just it's not the right move.
If you're at eleven, it makes more sense. That's kind
of player you hope falls in your lap. I just
don't think he's worth that high a pick.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So let's round out just the big names to talk
to group. Michael Pennis last you know, last one obviously
had really nice game in the semifinals. Injury history, big
arm down the field.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Paul.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, he's certainly got some trade, but he's a
guy that seems kind of like he's fallen off a
little bit with.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
The high Quiet yeah, and the Patriots really haven't expressed
much interest or haven't had much of their interest publicized
at least around him. So but yeah, terrific passer. I think,
maybe arguably the best passer in the draft, but you
do not get the dynamic elements that most of these
other guys give you.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, other than May, he's probably the most pinpoint accurate
on the deep ball. You know, him and May are
kind of in that category, and Caleb obviously too, but
I don't really count him because he's going to the Bears.
So you know, between the guys that are going to
be Patriots potentially, I'd say Penix is downfield throws and
just those absolutely perfect, pletely placed passes like the Penix
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has that. The issues with Penix, other than the injuries,
of course, which you have to mention, is under pressure.
His accuracy and his velocity on the football dips when
he's got pressure in his face, he's got people at
his feet, things like that. We saw that in the
National Championship game. But it comes up in other pockets
when he was under pressure during the season against better teams.
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He like an Oregon or something like that. So that
does happen with him. But if you put the injuries
to the side, and you're a team that clears him
medically and feel good about him medically, which some teams
I think do, then you can convince yourself that he's
got that leadership, that it thing that we were talking
about with McCarthy a little bit. He's got good downfield
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accuracy for the most part, so you know, you could
talk yourself into Michael Pennix. But based off of what
they've done pre draft, I just think it's risky to
take Penix without doing real homework on him. And maybe
it's all been private and maybe it's all been to
behind closed doors, but to not have him here for
a thirty visit, to not go to his pro day
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with the big decision makers and all this kind of stuff,
it's I would I would be a little bit scared. Yeah,
he might be.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's interesting. You can't ignore the injuries. But I think
the year before he had about three thready won thirty
two touchdowns, falls up with thirty six kind of crazy.
Think what one game can do. He had the match
a game against Texas, doesn't play as well in the final,
so it kind of be interesting where he'd be at
if that Texas game was the final game. But it
is risky, but he's one of those players if you hit,
it could be good news for the franchise.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So it seems like, I mean some more than others,
but this hopefully the Patriots. One of these guys is
on the Patriots, like hopefully one of those top six.
But as we get down here, and I know Evan
you said before, like, I mean, it's just not a
great class after that kind of top six, and it's
just who kind of intrigues you a little bit. I
just throw out two names that I kind of like.
I mean, Joe Milton. I don't even know if I
like him. I'm just like, I just like watching him
chuck the deep can ignore, you know and walk away
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and just put the finger up.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Might be the best.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to watch. And I
look at that as you know, it's a late round
guy where hey, I'm always a fan of drafting quarterbacks,
but you know, giving him a chance, like just to
come into training camp and watch him as like you
almost like JJ Taylor was where I'm like, oh, he'll
be fun in training camp. He's never going to play
it down a meaningful down for the team, but at
least it'll make kind.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Of make some fun preseason games, you know. I think
Milton would be interesting in a year like the Kenny
Pickett year where there's not really that consensus. One guy,
I see what team takes a reach on him.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He's got I mean, he's got traits. The other one,
I just, you know, throw out Jordan Travis from Florida State,
who I know, you know, really undersize coming off a
big injury. But I just wonder. I just think there's
something there. I just like him. I like listening to
him with the combine, you know. But again, like this
is like we're talking to day three developmental guy. I
don't know, Paul, you got any comments on those guys
or if there's other guys that you know, just two guys.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Are also both a little older, you know, I had
a longer career. I think they both were in college
for six years.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, Travis is almost twenty four years.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, the million so he had some time at Louisville
before Florida State. In Milton obviously at Michigan before Tennessee.
I don't I like Travis Moore. Milton has gotten opportunities
to play and not been overly productive. Travis was very productive.
He was very much in the Heisman Trophy running with
Daniels this year before he got suffered that injury. But
(20:55):
the size worries me. To me, if you look him
down here, then you're gonna roll the dice. It's Rattler's
Spencer Rattler, who I don't love. But the ability, I
think the tools combined with the production in college, I
think at a higher level, if you're going to roll
the dice on a on a mid mid round pick,
I think he'd beat the guy.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, Joe Milton's not good at football, like Joe Milton is.
If it's a pro day, if it's a combine, he's
going to be the star of the show. When you
actually watch him play football, He's not good.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
It's also a system that no one has really thrived in. Yeah,
Josh Hippel's system in the NFL. It's a college system.
It's just that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
He's got a cannon of an arm, he's got size,
he's got athleticism, you know, in a lot of ways,
like there's guys like that, you know, Anthony Richardson, right,
But Anthony Richardson's got natural quarterback in stinks and ability
to play the game. Joe Milton is not like that.
I think that, you know, we did, I don't know
if we mentioned bo Nicks. You know, Boonix is probably
skipped over the early day too. You know, I've called
(22:00):
him vanilla ice cream in the past, like he's one
of those guys with bow Knicks though that is accurate
and on time, and he's gonna hit the short game
and he's gonna do hit the layups in the offense.
He's not gonna do anything else. Like, it's not gonna
be it's not gonna be explosive, it's not gonna be fun.
It's not gonna be creative. But if you're just looking
for a distributor, a point guard at the position, and
(22:21):
bow Knicks has some ability to do that. I've heard,
you know, Alex Smith, you know, best case scenario maybe
like a Baker Mayfield, you know, like those types of
comps for him. He's a little bit more athletic than
like a mac Jones, Like he can run around a
little bit more so, he's got some skill. Spencer Rattler,
I think has two things going for him. He's got
a huge arm. He's got natural arm talent, can flick
(22:42):
it from any platform. He's really got a good arm,
and he's got a decent feel for navigating pressure in
the pocket. You know, he's got some of that bob
and weave to him in the pocket. But he holds
the ball a lot. It doesn't see the field particularly great.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And his skills a lot. Yeah, he has a lot
of skill, but he sometimes relies a little too much
on him.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, and he's a shade over six feet tall, so
he's not the biggest guy either. I think great com
for him is Gardner Minshew. You know, you can see
that there is ability there. But is he ever going
to be the guy that is your guy, like this
is our franchise quarterback. Probably not, but I think he's
gonna kick around the league for like a decade as
like a high end backup type of player.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Does any other guys, these these late round guys.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That Rattler was my other guy, Rattler Penix and Penix
is probably gonna go higher than Ratler, or hopefully he does.
But other than that, Drake Maybaby, anybody we missed anyone else?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
A little high on the.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, Bradley from Southern Alabama or South Alabama, I don't
know which one it is. Carter Bradley, he's got he's athletic.
You know, he's a good athlete. He can run around
a little bit. You know, Between him and Michael Pratt,
one of those guys is going to stick in the
league as the same kind of category as Spencer Rattler,
like a high end backup, low end starter, spot starter,
(23:59):
that type of player. Bradley probably available a little bit
later than Pratt. Pratt has a chance, I think to
be like a top one fifty pick. You know, he'd
probably go by the end of the fourth round. I
like Pratt, Yeah, you know, he's he's not what you
think he is. Pratt. Like you think that you're turning
on a tape of like a guy that just doesn't
have the physical tools but has the timing and the
(24:20):
rhythm down. He's actually the opposite. Like he's actually pretty
toolsy for a guy that went to that level of school.
But he's he's just not in the category of some
of these other guys in terms of physical ability, and
he's you know, the timing is not always great either,
So there's some developmental stuff that needs to be done there.
But he's bigger and stronger and faster than you would
think for for where he went to school.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I just wanted to bring those guys up. For those
of you looking for the double dip. You know they're
going to get somebody in the first round and oh
it's the fifth round. You know what's let's do the
Kirk Cousins RG three thing. Pratt could be a you know,
a good pick for that. Yep, Yeah, guy Brad be
a good pick for that.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I think Pratt is the guy for that, not just
because he kind of looks like Kirk Couzin, but I
also do like that because I think that Rattler, Nicks, Pennix,
like those guys are going to be top one hundred picks.
So if you're really looking for the double dip, you're
thinking fourth or fifth round at the earliest is when
you're going to take the other quarterback.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
All right, well that's going to do it here. For
all of our positional previews, certainly quarterback an important one.
Hopefully the Patriots are able to nab one of those
top prospects. So just over a week to go, folks,
we're getting close.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
All right, guys, Thanks for tuning in. That wraps up
all of our positional prospect previews.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
The last show is going to be a live show
April twenty fourth, the night before the draft, and we'll
be live from twelve to one pm. We're all going
to be here to go over everything. We might do
a little live mock draft, but we don't want to
tease too much here. But thanks for tuning in.
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